Merry Christmas!
Alan Browne
To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
Alan
Michael Cunningham
"Alan Browne" <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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Die Wahrheit
I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
Atheist Chaplain
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Happy Solstice Festival, Saturnalia, Yule, feast of the Son of Isis, Dies
Natalis Invicti Solis and the newcomer Christmas.
Also Happy Birthday for the Egyptian twins Heru Sa Aset and Bas, and also to
Mithras, Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Helios, Bacchus,
Apollo, and Jupiter.
Apologies to those I have missed.
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"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi
Savageduck
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
...or as the Costanza-Seinfeld family would say, "Happy Festivus!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus
That covers any of the usual and bizarre aspects of the religious,
cultural & commercial holidays, and gives us atheists a reason to smile
at it all without being condescending.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
RichA
wrote:
> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
> Alan
Thank you, same to you in Quebec. And now, Dpreview's very carefully
non-religious "Happy Holidays" message complete with non-descript,
bland winter scene:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0912/09122501happyhols.asp
Fact is, only a sixth of the World's population actually celebrate
CHRISTMAS, and is it so hard to say, "Merry Christmas" to them?
Merry Christmas!
Ray Fischer
Well screw you too! If you're so arrogant, intolerant, and ungenerous
as that then you don't deserve to be even treated like a Christian.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
C J Campbell
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
Merry Christmas to you, too.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
C J Campbell
<diewa...@somewherehonest.net> said:
And a Bah! Humbug! to you, too.
Pete
> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and however
> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
Thanks Alan, and to you too. I hope you are having a most enjoyable day.
The snow outside my house finally melted this morning, does Quebec have much
snow?
Pete
Charles E Hardwidge
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>
> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
Oh, fuck off Alan. You were a pompous, nasty, cross-posting asshole
yesterday and you'll be one tomorrow. What, you think you're off the hook
because you've "blessed" these newsgroups on Christmas Day? Try watching
your fat gob and developing some humanity on the other 364 days, okay?
FU trimmed to alt.photography
--
Charles E Hardwidge
celcius
"Pete" <available....@aserver.com> wrote in message
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Pete ,
I'm in Ottawa, Ontario, West of the province of Qu�bec and so far we've had
upwards of 35 to 40 cm (14 to 16 inches) of snow. It was a bit cold for a
while, -20�C ( -4F ), but this AM, it's -2�C (28F).
Merry Christmas to you all!
Marcel
Pete
> Pete ,
> I'm in Ottawa, Ontario, West of the province of Qu�bec and so far we've
> had upwards of 35 to 40 cm (14 to 16 inches) of snow. It was a bit cold
> for a while, -20�C ( -4F ), but this AM, it's -2�C (28F).
> Merry Christmas to you all!
> Marcel
Thanks Marcel. Here in South East England things grind to halt at -2�C
and/or a cm or two of snow.
Only once have I experienced -20�C: I couldn't take photographs. The
mechanics of my camera were working fine, the mechanics of my body weren't.
Pete
Dr.Smith
Got visited by ghost last night, killed them all! Have to spend Christmas
morning digging holes in the back yard. At least they aint heavy.
Dr.Smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xI0OobsRh8
Roger Pearse
> "Die Wahrheit" <diewahrh...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
>
> news:aq68j51cj4b9fi800...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
> > <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >>To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> >>however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
> >>Alan
>
> > I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
> > christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
> > bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
>
> Happy Solstice Festival, Saturnalia, Yule, feast of the Son of Isis, Dies
> Natalis Invicti Solis and the newcomer Christmas.
> Apollo, and Jupiter.
> Apologies to those I have missed.
Nice claim. Now document it, from ancient texts. Oh you can't?
Smile.
Yes, it's bash the Christians time again!!!! What better way to
celebrate the season of goodwill than by posting a few lies about
those who created it? Get a little hate going, sneer a bit, jeer a
bit... yes, it's what being an atheist is all about!
Atheism... the religion for those too thick to be scientologists and
too dishonest to be anything else.
Robert Coe
: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
: <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
:
: >
: >To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
: >
: >Alan
: Seconded!
Thirded! ;^)
Bob
Die Wahrheit
Their virgin mary was just a name they carved over the name of Isis on her
statues when people demanded that there must be a female counterpart to
their invent-as-you-go christian beliefs. The virgin birth was stolen from
a more ancient Pagan Roman legend. The "easter resurrection" is a
bastardization of the holiday of Eostre, a Pagan Goddess of spring, to
celebrate the yearly resurrection of life in a northern climate, a holiday
that began over 3500 years ago under various names and cultures. No mother
+ no birth + no resurrection = no christ.
The origin of the christmas tree is when christians cut down the live
decorated trees that Pagans had outside. They couldn't burn them, so they
hid them in their homes, then invented the "christmas" holiday. As recorded
by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty pagan tree, and up sprang the
birth of our christ."
christians have zero respect for any other's Gods & Goddesses or their
holidays. In fact they always steal everyone's holidays and deities and
reinvent/rename them as their own. When christians start to show respect by
respecting all others then maybe they'll deserve respect.
Imagine how it might be for Pagans this time of year. Who had all their
customs, rituals, symbols, songs, and holidays stolen from them, which are
now being paraded around under the guise of another's religion. It's hard
to get away from the obscenely blatant hypocrisy this time of year.
Even the song "Auld Lang Syne" is about how none of us will "drink a cup of
kindness yet" until we revive those things from "auld lang-syne, �old
long-since,� old long-ago," (OED) the days before christians wiped out your
Pagan ancestors' beliefs, wisdom, and knowledge. You drink ritually to try
to forget the middle-east's insanity and atrocities that were forced upon
you.
I have yet to understand why anyone would be so spiritually and culturally
hypocritical as to choose the very religion that destroyed their own
ancestral heritage. For anyone to choose to be christian is no less of a
spiritual and cultural hypocrisy than if a jewish person was praying
heil-hitler to a swastika. Yes, their hypocrisy is precisely that deep.
Robert Coe
<diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:
: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
Christians are required to treat all people with dignity and respect; their
founder was adamant on that point. When a Christian wishes you a merry
Christmas, he's merely trying to meet that mandate, not force you to accept
his "lies". Some Christians are indeed willfully ignorant, and some do try to
force their beliefs on others. But that is NOT what Jesus intended, and
Christians who actually try to follow his teachings don't behave that way. The
Salvation Army, for example, consists mainly of conservative, bible-thumping
Christian believers, but you wouldn't know it from the generosity and
compassion they show to all the people they serve. Please recognize your
preconceived notions for what they are and consider the possibility that they
may not always be entirely accurate.
Bob (who isn't much of a Christian but was nominally raised as one)
Die Wahrheit
>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:57:16 -0600, Die Wahrheit
><diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:
>: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
>: <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>:
>: >
>: >To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
>: >however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>: >
>: >Alan
>:
>: I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
>: christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
>: bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
>
>Christians are required to treat all people with dignity and respect; their
>founder was adamant on that point. When a Christian wishes you a merry
>Christmas, he's merely trying to meet that mandate, not force you to accept
>his "lies".
Oh that's funny. Showing respect by wishing a merry "christmas" on someone
from whom they stole the original holiday by destroying their villages,
their cultures, kidnapping their children, destroying their books and
libraries, burning people at the stake as human sacrifices to appease their
beliefs in a christian god, on THREE continents no less, then renamed the
original Pagan holidays they stole to include their imaginary deity in the
name. What a slap in the face that is. Dignity and respect? You don't even
know what those mean. You have no right to even talk about it.
If only all Pagans today were as ruthless, barbaric, and disrespectful as
all christians were and are, to bring us to the state of hypocrisy that we
have today. You'd be "celebrating" your holiday today by running for the
hills hoping you wouldn't be burned at the stake and your children
kidnapped for the "new christmas" ritual.
Bill Graham
"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the
Christians alone to bask in their own dreams of a happy afterlife. I, for
example have no ax to grind.....I don't get any brownie points for
converting Christians to atheism, (like they do for converting me) so I just
leave them alone.....I even put up lights on my house, and erect a Christmas
tree and the whole bit. I even play my horn for the Salvation Army in the
malls. IOW, I am willing to go to anybody's party, so don't blame me......
Bill Graham
Ah, you're way too philosophical. Just go down to the mission and buy a few
turkey dinners for the homeless and be done with it.....There are lots worse
things going on in this world than a few stolen rituals......If you really
care, then try to undo some of god's damage.....Take in a feral cat or two
and keep them from freezing to death this Winter.....
Bill Graham
Perhaps, but by blaming the Christians today for the transgressions of their
ancestors, you are falling into the same trap that you accuse them of
falling into. It isn't their fault any more than its your fault what your
grandfather did. Neither you nor they can go back and change the past. All
we can do is live our own lives with compassion and intelligence, and hope
for a better future.
Frank ess
You're burying your /brothers/?
Rich
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Fed to the lions? Or betrayed to the Romans?
Die Wahrheit
Feral cats are an invasive species that are destroying the food-chain by
killing (not often eating) all the food supplies for fox, owls, skunks,
raccoons, hawks, shrike, falcons, wolves (yes, wolves survive on mice at
times), coyote, etc. etc. Any wild animal that uses mice, voles, and other
small mammals as a food source are having their own existence put in
jeopardy by irresponsible pet owners that let their cats roam outside. On
my land feral cats are fair game for a .22. Already got 8 of them this
fall. Good target practice because they are wary, quick, and hard to kill
unless you get a direct shot to a vital organ.
This is the problem with christians who lost the lessons and wisdom from
their Pagan ancestors. Knowing how to live with nature in balance, and
knowing the nature of nature in general. Now christians are destroying the
planet even with their lousy pestilent cats. Just because of a "few stolen
rituals" that they bastardized the meanings of, and then lost the lessons
from, just to suit their own self-serving ignorant gains.
Die Wahrheit
Yes you can go back and change the past. By educating yourself, as I did,
to all lies that are christianity. By researching your own Pagan roots
before christians destroyed your ancestors and destroyed nearly all the
wisdom and knowledge from your original culture. By denouncing the lie that
is christianity. I am even personally taking a stand on undoing the theft
of land that christians brought upon North America by leaving my land to
the Native American tribe that originally inhabited this area before
christians crippled their culture. It's no easy task trying to find out
what tribes were originally on your land when christians destroyed so much
of their history during their relentless invasions and murdering sprees
(read: human sacrifice, to appease their beliefs in a christian god).
Undoing the atrocities of the past is not for the weak of spirit nor weak
of mind, it takes a personal sacrifice. Perhaps that's why you and so many
others don't do it. You're all so fuckin' weak.
Go justify your hypocrisy some more. I have better things to do.
Robert Coe
<diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:
: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:48:42 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
:
: >"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
: >news:1e6aj5pnlli3j8ard...@4ax.com...
You live in North America? I'm sorry to hear that. Frankly, I had hoped that
you lived somewhere on the other side of the world. (And to you guys who *do*
live on the other side of the world, I know I shouldn't wish that on you, and
I apologize.)
: Go justify your hypocrisy some more. I have better things to do.
Man, I sure hope so. It would be sad and a little scary if you didn't.
Bob
Atheist Chaplain
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================================================
so where is the bashing of Christmas, I wished them well, along with all the
others.
Maybe your just a little insecure and paranoid about your beliefs, If that
is the case them I feel a little sorrow for you, maybe its time you read the
Bible, I mean REALLY read it from cover to cover, read it as literature not
a holy script and see just how hateful and petulant your chosen deity is.
And as to why it is difficult to document all those from ancient texts, well
maybe the good christian habit of destroying all local knowledge and texts
when they invaded and desecrated vast areas of the world in their wars of
conquest has something to do with that.
Atheism is a religion just like baldness is a hair colour.
http://www.bettybowers.com/compare.html
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"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi
Atheist Chaplain
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5T5ibb2E9I&feature=player_embedded
Ray Fischer
It's only been 70 years since Christians tried ot exterminate Jews,
and even today many are intolerant of freedom for others.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
Die Wahrheit
It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest
human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."
HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.
Die Wahrheit
It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest
human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."
HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.
As for the extermination of jews during the holocaust, how many of you are
even aware that all homosexuals that were badged with a pink-triangle (the
origin of that gay symbol) where thrown BACK into the concentration camps
by all the "loving christians" after the jews were freed? They died there.
The holocaust of gay people goes far beyond that of the jews, but you don't
even hear anyone talking about it today.
Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful
death.
Die Wahrheit
It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest
human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."
HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.
As for the extermination of jews during the holocaust, how many of you are
even aware that all homosexuals that were badged with a pink-triangle (the
origin of that gay symbol) were thrown BACK into the concentration camps by
Roger Pearse
wrote:
<snip lies>
Another atheist fouls himself with a series of statements, none of
which he knows to be true and all of which he posts out of malice.
Anonymous atheists... the lowest form of life in the food chain.
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the
No offence intended to you, then. Live and let live.
But you might look at what your co-religionists are getting up to. I
for one am sick to death of the annual ritual where, on Christmas day,
some scumbag posts "Christmas is really pagan! Tee hee" with a load
of fake "facts" which he hasn't checked and has no idea are true.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> and paranoid about your beliefs, If that <snip abuse, hate>
Denial, dishonesty, insults... heh.
Good of you to demonstrate the truth of what I said.
Ray Fischer
And there's that good old fashioned "christian" snobbery and hate.
Corrupt your holiest of days, try to force everybody to accept it, and
then sneer at those who dare to object.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Alan Browne
Like most of us. The season is more family and community traditions
than religious observance.
Best troll killer: ignore them.
Cheers,
Alan
Alan Browne
> Alan Browne wrote:
>> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and however
>> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
>
> The snow outside my house finally melted this morning, does Quebec have much
> snow?
"Quelques arpents de neige." -Voltaire describing Quebec (Canada
actually) as having little economic value to France.
(A few acres of snow). Voltaire was not an admirer of the Americas (mid
1700's).
A bit early this year in 2nd wk of Dec about 35 cm. 10 cm the other
day. Usually most snow is post x-mas. Calling for rain today, however.
If you're referring to the dump last week that hit the eastern seaboard,
it missed Quebec and barely hit Nova Scotia. My son flew out of Halifax
just missing the storm that in the end did little there.
Neil Harrington
"Robert Coe" <b...@1776.COM> wrote in message
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[ . . . ]
>
> : Go justify your hypocrisy some more. I have better things to do.
>
> Man, I sure hope so. It would be sad and a little scary if you didn't.
He doesn't, though. If he had "better things to do" why would he be spending
all this time and effort doing what he does here?
Die Wahrheit
Wolfgang Weisselberg
> "Quelques arpents de neige." -Voltaire describing Quebec (Canada
> actually) as having little economic value to France.
> (A few acres of snow). Voltaire was not an admirer of the Americas (mid
> 1700's).
Remember that was in the time of the little ice age. Of
course there was more snow then. (And with global warming,
one would expect less snow and ice all around, not more ...
but today eve sunspots and earthquakes will beblamed on
"global warming", it seems.)
-Wolfgang
Die Wahrheit
A new oxymoron for 2010: "The Thinking christian"
Don't you just love these "put your blinders on, fools"?
They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region. They
never ask themselves why the Three Magi (Pagan Magicians, that's what Magi
means) came FROM the East and traveled to the West, by following a star in
the East. (huh? what? yep) They traveled 180 degrees from the correct birth
if you believe their christian stories. Or the Magi circumnavigated the
globe and managed to show up just west of where they started out.
christians can't even get basic compass directions correct. So whatever was
fictionally born in bethlehem wasn't even the right birth to celebrate.
Their own bible even claims that the birth of their imaginary savior (a
fictional character comprised of hundreds of earlier Pagan legends from
many cultures) wasn't until the "time of lambing", in the spring. The
evidence against any of the "christmas" traditions being even remotely
christian related is overwhelming and blatantly obvious to anyone with a
thinking and investigative mind. Except, of course, to any a fool who
blindly follows whatever they are told to follow and never questions
anything in their life.
But you go ahead. Keep your christian blinders on. Your bliss of
self-induced ignorance becomes you.
"There are none so lost as those who follow."
If you are not lost you have no need to follow anyone. If you follow
someone you will remain lost as long as you follow them. Catch-22. Follow
and remain lost or learn to think and reason for yourself. It's that
simple.
It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler. Neither Hitler nor their
imaginary jesus has ever been the problem, they never harmed one person.
All the atrocities brought about by their existence or the belief in them
was wrought upon humanity by their lost followers alone.
Pete
> blah blah blah, but not going to waste my time.
Ok, I've resisted replying up till now...
You've, so far, wasted lots of your time. Waste lot's more, I've nothing
better to do than read your bleatings. I'm enjoying it.
Like any work of fiction, it's supposed to be entertainment. Before you
progress it into an epic novel, see a publisher.
Pete
Bill Graham
> Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful
> death.
>
Speaking of blind, unreasoning prejudice........
Ray Fischer
>"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
>> Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful
>> death.
>>
>Speaking of blind, unreasoning prejudice........
And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I
am defending the handiwork of the Lord.
Adolph Hitler -- Mein Kampf
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Atheist Chaplain
========================================================
"Christians" with nothing more than hate in their hearts, the biggest
hypocrites on the internet.
And probably too stupid to understand the irony either.
Atheist Chaplain
Denial, dishonesty, insults... heh.
=====================================================
where is the denial ??
I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and
obviously over compensating for your chosen belief ( a belief I have no
problem with generally)
And to be honest to yourself, lets not forget that you were the first to
issue the insults (Atheism... the religion for those too thick to be
scientologists and too dishonest to be anything else) ring any bells for you
or are you saying that YOUR the one in denial??
If you need another lesson in your Denial, dishonesty and insults I'm sure I
can accommodate you.
DRS
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[...]
Roger Pearse's text not cited properly by Bill so it loks like Bill's text
yet again:
> Nice claim. Now document it, from ancient texts. Oh you can't?
> Smile.
>
> Yes, it's bash the Christians time again!!!! What better way to
> celebrate the season of goodwill than by posting a few lies about
> those who created it? Get a little hate going, sneer a bit, jeer a
> bit... yes, it's what being an atheist is all about!
>
> Atheism... the religion for those too thick to be scientologists and
> too dishonest to be anything else.
Bill's new text:
> Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the
> Christians alone to bask in their own dreams of a happy afterlife. I,
> for example have no ax to grind.....I don't get any brownie points for
> converting Christians to atheism, (like they do for converting me) so
> I just leave them alone.....I even put up lights on my house, and
> erect a Christmas tree and the whole bit. I even play my horn for the
> Salvation Army in the malls. IOW, I am willing to go to anybody's
> party, so don't blame me......
Troy Piggins
>
> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
Hope you had a wonderful day, Alan.
I'm absolutely dumbfounded at how quickly your well-intended post
here has degraded into absolute hatred and vitriol.
I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.
--
Troy Piggins
Alan Browne
Thanks Troy,
We had a great Christmas, and I hope you did too.
I'm not religious myself, but the notion of a Christmas holiday and the
many (shifting) traditions around it are well ingrained. This even goes
as far as attending midnight service at a local Anglican church a few
years ago as it was something I did as a child and teen with my mother
every other year or so. Sentimental as opposed to religious reasons.
As to the few respondents who immediately turn it into a bait fest, I
can only say that they are very easily ignored and I'm a bit
disapointed, though not surprised that some chose to oxygenate rather
than simply starve the trolls of oxygen.
I've asked many times around the various photo ng's that people simply
ignore them, but they choose to engage rather than talk about
photography and/or equipment, the purpose of these ng's. Some people
just can't resist answering, even though it's the same answer they've
given to the same or similar trolls a hundred times... no wonder the
trolls come back for more. They get fat here.
Cheers Troy,
And a most Happy New Year to come.
Wolfgang Weisselberg
> Like any work of fiction, it's supposed to be entertainment. Before you
> progress it into an epic novel, see a publisher.
A (serious) publisher would laugh these ill-constructed ramblings
out of town: they aren't entertaining in the least. So the slime
would better get it's head shrunk ... literally.
-Wolfgang
Noons
>
> I've asked many times around the various photo ng's that people simply
> ignore them, but they choose to engage rather than talk about
And of course you yourself have numerous times engaged and encouraged trolling
when it suits your purposes.
> photography and/or equipment, the purpose of these ng's. Some people
> just can't resist answering, even though it's the same answer they've
> given to the same or similar trolls a hundred times... no wonder the
> trolls come back for more. They get fat here.
Not that you never got fat either...
b...@myhouse.com
...and all a guy has to do nowadays to get labelled 'bigot' is express a little concern
regarding Islam, maybe say it's different from other religions, and the flamers come
out of their closets...
Bill Graham
"Troy Piggins" <usene...@piggo.com> wrote in message
news:2009122...@usenet.piggo.com...
> I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
> and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
> a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.
>
> --
> Troy Piggins
As a "closet atheist", I have to say that is the understatement of the
century......:^)
Bill Graham
Noons
> I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
> and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
> a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.
>
Very true. Funny enough, I found recently a lot of my high school friends on
the net, we are now thinking of a big get together at some stage in 2010. A lot
of them are muslims and others catholics or agnostic like me. I don't think
that'll be a problem, it never was in the 40 years we've known each other, but
then again hardly any of us spends time in or believes anything in the Usenet...
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
<abuse snipped>
No answer? Well, shrieking lies will rebuild your reputation, won't
it? Oh.
Piss off, loser.
Roger Pearse
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 04:29:00 -0800 (PST),Roger Pearse
> celebrations, presumably occurring around this time, in the form of
> greetings to those celebrating them. No claims of origin in regards to
> any of them. Seems you read something into the post that wasn't there,
Yeah, right.
Roger Pearse
wrote:
Nice to see an atheist chanting his creed: "all Christians must be
idiots because there are so many more of them than us".
Let me guess; this atheist can't even state his beliefs, never mind
offer evidence for them. All he can do is repeat jeers and slogans.
> They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
> northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region...
> (snip)
> It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
> destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
> imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler.
Considering that Chinese atheists are even now shoving bamboo
splinters under the fingernails of Christians, while shouting lies
just like this, you really must be a sick scumbag.
Piss off, you hater.
Roger Pearse
No answer? I thought not.
Atheism... the religion of the shithead everywhere.
Roger Pearse
Denial noted. Smile.
> I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
> maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
> I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and..
<snip abuse>
No answer? Smile.
Ray Fischer
>>And there's that good old fashioned "christian" snobbery and hate.
>>Corrupt your holiest of days, try to force everybody to accept it, and
>>then sneer at those who dare to object.
>
>No answer? I thought not.
The answer's right there. Maybe if you weren't so consumed by hate
you'd be able to understand why you get so lilttle respect.
>Atheism... the religion of the shithead everywhere.
"Denial, dishonesty, insults"
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Pete
> On 09-12-25 4:49 , Pete wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
>>> however
>>> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>>
>> Thanks Alan, and to you too. I hope you are having a most enjoyable day.
>>
>> The snow outside my house finally melted this morning, does Quebec have
>> much
>> snow?
>
> "Quelques arpents de neige." -Voltaire describing Quebec (Canada actually)
> as having little economic value to France.
> (A few acres of snow). Voltaire was not an admirer of the Americas (mid
> 1700's).
I had no knowledge of that: I was always a dunderhead with history, but I am
interested to learn.
> A bit early this year in 2nd wk of Dec about 35 cm. 10 cm the other day.
> Usually most snow is post x-mas. Calling for rain today, however.
Many children in Southern England love snow (enhanced by the fact they don't
have to drive in it, I guess). Some of the snow we've had is the wrong type
to make a snowman, so they were a bit upset.
> If you're referring to the dump last week that hit the eastern seaboard,
> it missed Quebec and barely hit Nova Scotia. My son flew out of Halifax
> just missing the storm that in the end did little there.
That's good. It must be impossible to not worry about loved ones on a flight
during a stormy weather.
Pete
Atheist Chaplain
<abuse snipped>
Piss off, loser.
=================================================
well the answer is there for you, just because you snipped it does not make
it go away, Hate filled Christians like yourself seem to be good at ignoring
what they do not want or are incapable of understanding.
As I said earlier, comprehension isn't on your list of abilities so maybe
you should stop hurling the insults for a minute and take stock, because
your making it plainly obvious to everyone by your behavior here that your a
Christian in name only, as a matter of fact I am willing to bet I adhere to
more Christian values than you ever have.
May the new year bring you everything you deserve :-)
Atheist Chaplain
news:bbhhj597o69id9a0j...@4ax.com...
I don't think Irony is one of his strong suites either John :-)
Anyway, have a Great new year :-)
Atheist Chaplain
================================================
I suppose you dont see the irony in that last statement of yours...........
nah I didnt think so :-)
================================================
> They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
> northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region...
> (snip)
> It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
> destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
> imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler.
Considering that Chinese atheists are even now shoving bamboo
splinters under the fingernails of Christians, while shouting lies
just like this, you really must be a sick scumbag.
================================================
Proof, or are you just making stuff up, like your imaginary friend...
================================================
Piss off, you hater.
Someone call the fire brigade, there is a steaming hunk of Irony that's just
crashed into my front yard............
Atheist Chaplain
Denial noted. Smile.
lack of comprehension skills noted <sigh>
> I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
> maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
> I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and..
<snip abuse>
No answer? Smile.
Answer deleted because of aforementioned lack of comprehension skills <sigh>
I leave you with this question Roger, what has your god done for you today
that you couldn't have done for yourself ??
Atheist Chaplain
===================================================
you seem to be going about disproving that as a one man hate filled
Christian Roger, might be time to reconsider your stance and moderate your
obvious hatred of something you are incapable of understanding.
Robert Coe
: "Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
The answer to that is pretty easy to guess. He thinks his god is helping him
think up the venomous insults he throws at you.
Bob
Roger Pearse
QED
> ================================================
>
> > They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
> > northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region...
> > (snip)
> > It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
> > destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
> > imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler.
>
> Considering that Chinese atheists are even now shoving bamboo
> splinters under the fingernails of Christians, while shouting lies
> just like this, you really must be a sick scumbag.
>
> ================================================
>
> Proof
The usual demand of the cornered atheist... prove to me what I could
find for myself but don't want to. Smile.
>, or are you just making stuff up, like your imaginary friend...
Projection noted.
Still peddling the hate, I notice.
>> Piss off, you hater.
>
> Someone <cheap jeer>
Try to be original as you foul yourself.
Roger Pearse
Projection noted. Smile.
Can't offer a rational reply? Going for the troll approach? Yes, you
must be an atheist.... :-)
> > I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
> > maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
> > I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and..
>
> <snip abuse>
>
> No answer? Smile.
>
> Answer deleted because of aforementioned lack of comprehension skills <sigh>
Run, rabbit, run.
> I leave you with this question Roger, what has your god done for you today
> that you couldn't have done for yourself ??
He's provided me with evidence that atheism involves wilful
stupidity. Thanks for helping.
Good luck with your mindless religion.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Roger Pearse
Ah, another atheist swoops in to scream abuse. Nice hypocrisy, by the
way!
Keep up the mindless conformity, atheists! It gives all intelligent
people no end of pleasure to watch you behave like jerks.
Robert Coe
<roger....@googlemail.com> wrote:
You don't know whether I'm a believer or not. It's actually none of your
business. But I will say this: I'd worry if I found myself believing in any
God that you take seriously.
You are the P&S Troll, aren't you? The people who have been hinting that they
suspect as much are probably correct. Think before you answer, though. Most
(all?) of us believe that the P&S Troll is insane.
Bob
Alan Browne
> (all?) of us believe that the P&S Troll is insane.
I wouldn't give him that much value.
I'd venture that he's an angry white male, about 38 and living at mum's
house in one of the dodgier parts of suburban London.
Robert Coe
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what is the evidence that he's white?
Bob
Alan Browne
I assume that's a joke, but just in case: I said "venture".
His "prose" seems AWM to me. I'm not a sociologist of any stripe, however.
Noons
I'm amazed! So he's not Dougie anymore?
Pretty soon you're gonna run out of ethnic backgrounds to blame it on...
Chrlz
Just for the record, "Die Wahrheit" is, of course, the anti-DSLR troll
formerly known as Vern/Keoeeit/Dave Ingols/MartinS/etc. Here's a
picture of Keoeeit:
http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=24769&p=300369#p300369
And here's an old post from him including a list of his former aliases
and an admission of his behavior:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/rec.photo.digital/msg/7b2ff557caafe5bd?dmode=source
.. suffice to say he doesn't like to stick with one name, for very
obvious reasons.
This latest tirade about christianity is just another giveaway - take
a look here at one of many similar postings from him (2nd post down):
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=299200&page=4
Vern/Keoeeit/DieW has often been asked for examples of his imaging
prowess. He has claimed that we are not worthy. But he did actually
post quite a few images back when he was a vigorous forum poster (not
so much now that he has been banned from just about every place he
went (hardly surprising)). And despite his attempts to delete all
evidence, some remain:
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=96572
(Beetle macro - ok, but terribly over-processed)
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Drop_a.jpg (Water droplet - this is
actually ok, but does seem to be showing CA/PF, even at that size..)
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=96685 (IR
fox - "I'll admit it's not a very good photo...")
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=96582
(Raccoons - sometimes content overcomes technical issues, but not
always..)
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=96597
(Raccoons II...)
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=97424 (nice
example of aliasing artefacts in the whiskers)
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=99180
(Chipmunk - oversharpened and badly cropped)
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=101398 (He
posted this as 'proof' of P&S low-light superiority.. go figure)
http://iz.carnegiemnh.org/cranefly/images/Photos/Limonia_immatura_by_Keoeeit.jpg
(crane fly)
http://forums.steves-digicams.com/forums/attachment.php?id=100233
(oversharpened geese panorama)
If Vern/Keoeeit/Die Wahrheit has better ones, perhaps he might like to
post them? Otherwise, those will remain his legacy for all time..
If he claims any of these *aren't* his, I'm happy to show how I know
they *are*.. But the only person who will debate that is the troll
himself.
Happy New Year, keoeeit!
Die Wahrheit
wrote:
If any of that is true they should be flattered that anyone would go that
far out of their way for someone to choose to be their own personal
psychotic net-stalker for so many years. Though, when I went to go read
them myself, posting all those links out of context does detract from any
validity of everything you attempt to claim. Enjoy your net-life obsession
with all these people you are stalking. It resolutely now appears that you
have absolutely nothing else going for you in life.
John McWilliams
>> Happy New Year, keoeeit!
>
> If any of that is true they should be flattered that anyone would go that
> far out of their way for someone to choose to be their own personal
> psychotic net-stalker for so many years. Though, when I went to go read
> them myself, posting all those links out of context does detract from any
> validity of everything you attempt to claim. Enjoy your net-life obsession
> with all these people you are stalking. It resolutely now appears that you
> have absolutely nothing else going for you in life.
Don't we love it when the pest refers to himself in the third person??
--
lsmft
b...@myhouse.com
Die Wahrheit is a stupid cunt.
Die Wahrheit
wrote:
Nice to see that sock-puppet net-stalker Mark Thomas is actually the troll
known as John McWillams.
John McWilliams
>
> Die Wahrheit is a stupid cunt.
Now, now, Bob, don't mince words.
But I'm pretty certain he's a he.
--
lsmft
Noons
>>
>> Don't we love it when the pest refers to himself in the third person??
>
> Nice to see that sock-puppet net-stalker Mark Thomas is actually the troll
> known as John McWillams.
Is he now? Amazing...
Die Wahrheit
As well as you are, just another sock-puppet troll of the psychotic
net-stalker (yahoo.com.au requires only a public proxy). If anyone uses the
very same disjointed associations that the rest of you make, they too will
come to the same conclusions that all three of you are the very same
person. I'm surprised that you can't see that. Everyone else can.
follow-up reset to something other than your main and favorite newsgroup,
the one where you feel right at home, alt.morons
LOL!
wrote:
>
>If he claims any of these *aren't* his, I'm happy to show how I know
>they *are*.. But the only person who will debate that is the troll
>himself.
Proof? Oh please! We are all awaiting your discerning and unequivocal
"proof". I, along with a worldwide audience of others, would LOVE to see
your proof.
This is the trouble with psychotic trolls, the only proof is in their own
minds. When put to the test they can't even prove what gender that they
themselves are, let alone anyone else's. Anything beyond that is so far
beyond their grasp of "proof" that it is nothing but laughable.
Please do share your "proof".
Too fuckin' funny!
LOL!
Chrlz
person.."
And a Happy 2010 to everyone else!
LOL!
wrote:
>'Nite, Vern. You should re-read the bit starting "..But the only
>person.."
>
>
>And a Happy 2010 to everyone else!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
That's it? That's your PROOF?!?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatta fuckin' maroon.
LOL!
Rich Andersen
>Wow!
>
>All this time I thought his whole persona was synthesized for the
>purpose of trolling. Turns out he's a legitimate nutter.
>
>Kinda sad, really.
The only sad thing around here are trolls believing other trolls. No wait.
It gets sadder than that, it's trolls believing other trolls that also
promote the easily disproved psychoses that is christianity.
Now *that* is sad.
Chrlz
> The only sad thing around here are trolls believing other trolls. No wait.
And then there are those who make claims and then run away when asked
to back their statements up.
You know, like that they have done tests that show how inferior
plastic cameras are because of thermal characteristics...
http://groups.google.com.au/group/rec.photo.digital/msg/2c9054901ce9ca1e?hl=en
It would be good if that person backed up their claim and showed
exactly how they *have* tested and proven that plastic cameras suffer
from thermal degradation of images. But it looks like they won't.
That's sad too. What do *you* think, Rich?
Bowser
<usene...@piggo.com> wrote:
>* Alan Browne wrote :
>>
>> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
>> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
>Hope you had a wonderful day, Alan.
>
>I'm absolutely dumbfounded at how quickly your well-intended post
>here has degraded into absolute hatred and vitriol.
>
>I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
>and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
>a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.
There are two things that stand between the human race and true
achievemant: religion and politics. Simply put, the "other side" is
always wrong. And some people will fight to the death to prove, well,
nothing. It's a shame.