On the way back to my car I passed through the Harris Fine Arts Center
and enjoyed a delightful but small (16 photos) student photo exhibit
called ". . . and then the cops came." The exhibited photos each had an
accompanying story by the photographers of their encounter with the law
while they were taking the photograph.
Russell
>On the way back to my car I passed through the Harris Fine Arts Center
>and enjoyed a delightful but small (16 photos) student photo exhibit
>called ". . . and then the cops came." The exhibited photos each had an
>accompanying story by the photographers of their encounter with the law
>while they were taking the photograph.
You too huh?
Sounds interesting. I'd love to visit the beautiful state of Utah again; but,
alas, I don't expect to be there anytime soon.
: On the way back to my car I passed through the Harris Fine Arts Center
: and enjoyed a delightful but small (16 photos) student photo exhibit
: called ". . . and then the cops came." The exhibited photos each had an
: accompanying story by the photographers of their encounter with the law
: while they were taking the photograph.
I suppose it's reassuring that that exhibit was small!
Bob
I'd return every item that I had bought in the last 30 days at that mall.
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Now THAT makes sense: punish the shopkeepers for some egregious behavior
by a rent-a-cop.
Besides the father could have been asking for pushback, but we'll never
know.
--
john mcwilliams
Sometimes that's the only choice you have.....The assumption is that they
(the shopkeepers) will pass it along to the owners of the mall and more care
will take place in the future when hiring and/or instructing the
rent-a-cops. It is frequently the case that the only power I have over that
kind of stupidity is to refuse to spend my money with the
shopkeepers.....When I lived in Menlo Park, California I got a ticket one
night while on my way to work by a team of cops who were running a little
scam designed to entrap people like me who were on their way to work. I paid
the ticket, (I had little choice) but then I refused to spend a dime with
any of the Menlo Park shopkeepers for ten years after that, and I loudly
told everyone there why I did so. I also wrote letters to the local
newspapers and related my story there too. As a matter of fact, I have a
long list of people with whom I refuse to deal because of those kinds of
transgressions in the past. That's why I can say that easily the worst
retailers I have known in my entire life have been banks.....Almost every
bank in town is on my list.....:^)
Did you read the story? The rent-a-cop was applying store policy.
Malls are as much about entertaining the family as shopping. That's why
they have rides for the kiddies and food courts and such. Some malls
have zoos, pools, amusement parks, etc. Not being allowed to photograph
your own kids is ludicrous.
Each tenant of the mall pays rent and/or dividends to the mall. So yes,
the only way to show displeasure to them is to show that you won't leave
your money there. That really is the sole remedy of a consumer.
> Besides the father could have been asking for pushback, but we'll never
> know.
The father was upset at the twin notion of not being "permitted" to
photograph his own child an the insinuation that he was a pedophile.
I doubt I'd behave differently.
Each tenant of the mall pays rent and/or dividends to the mall. So yes,
> the only way to show displeasure to them is to show that you won't leave
> your money there. That really is the sole remedy of a consumer.
Exactly........
The rent-a-cop is in the employ of the shopkeepers so they deserve to be
punished for his behavior.
>
>On 10-03-13 17:18 , John McWilliams wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 10-03-13 12:21 , Albert Ross wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:30:55 -0700, "Russell D."<r...@sfcn.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the way back to my car I passed through the Harris Fine Arts Center
>>>>> and enjoyed a delightful but small (16 photos) student photo exhibit
>>>>> called ". . . and then the cops came." The exhibited photos each had an
>>>>> accompanying story by the photographers of their encounter with the law
>>>>> while they were taking the photograph.
>>>>
>>>> You too huh?
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8539361.stm
>>>
>>> I'd return every item that I had bought in the last 30 days at that mall.
>>
>> Now THAT makes sense: punish the shopkeepers for some egregious behavior
>> by a rent-a-cop.
>
>Did you read the story? The rent-a-cop was applying store policy.
No, it said the security officer was applying the "centre's policy".
The centre is the landlord, not a store.
Refusing to patronize the stores has no effect on the landlord because
the store doesn't know you are not buying something you might have
bought there, and has no reason to complain to the centre management.
Letters to the newspaper or the store management can be effective.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
So the news web site publishes the photo so all the paedophiles can download
a pic of a little kid all rugged against the cold English weather and
enjoying himself on a train ride.
I wonder how much the news web site paid for the photo.
--
N
I admit to not knowing what turns pedophiles on, but there's nothing
about those two photos that is at all salacious.
I agree, and that begs the question of why the security guard would
interfere in the first place.
--
N
Power without responsibility. When people see politicians, big business, and
banks behaving like arrogant wankers even the best people get dragged into
that system as they get left behind.
The system tries to compensate with more law and media messages but it never
touches the 1% of sociopathic self serving assholes. Winkle those cunts out
of the legislature, business, and the shady margins of society and the
problem solves itself.
I think, we're going through a "market correction" now so although things
may be bad I'm slightly positive that things will get better.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
I have a better plan, I never go in such places <G>
Oh well! Here we go with the "begs the question debate" again.
Try "raises the question."
For an answer, you will probably find that the Mall management is more
concerned with liability issues regarding potential law suits. They
were thinking of their wallets before the fundamental right of a father
to take a snapshot of his son.
The rent-a-cop was just following the instructions he had been given to
stop photography. As an employee at the bottom rung of the wage ladder,
trying to keep a job. In his (peanut sized) brain he would probably
have little, to no wiggle room to make a sensible discretionary
decision to overcome his fear of being fired for violating corporate
policy.
They should have actually done a cost benefit study to see what it
might have cost them if they actually did have a team of paedophile,
terrorist, photographers working their Mall. Here they have lost the PR
war.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
B-but there was a CHILD in it, that's enough! <sigh>
I still remember the BBC News story about photographers on a beach
having their camera confiscated "in case" they were photographing
children.
The news story was run against stock footage of children playing on a
beach . . .
> B-but there was a CHILD in it, that's enough! <sigh>
>
> I still remember the BBC News story about photographers on a beach
> having their camera confiscated "in case" they were photographing
> children.
>
> The news story was run against stock footage of children playing on a
> beach . . .
Neighbours from hell don't get evicted because they have children and they
know it so there's no control on them ruining peoples lives. These children
have no incentive to perform and know they can get away with murder so
disrupt school classes with impunity. And so the cycle of low aspirations
and abuse continues. The system that's meant to drive progress and protect
society ends up encouraging the thing it's meant to stop.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
I don't often go, but it is unavoidable for some purchases.
>
> I admit to not knowing what turns pedophiles on, but there's nothing
> about those two photos that is at all salacious.
Certain people have unexplainable mindsets: For the life of me I can't see
anything sexually stimulating in a Venus DeMilo carved in the snow.
http://www.nj.com/news/local/index.ssf/2010/03/nude_snow_sculpture_in_rahway.html
Some puritanical A holes try to suppress their own thoughts by dictating to
others. I personally would never have put the bikini on the snow sculpture.
--
Peter
>
> Neighbours from hell don't get evicted because they have children and they
> know it so there's no control on them ruining peoples lives. These
> children
> have no incentive to perform and know they can get away with murder so
> disrupt school classes with impunity. And so the cycle of low aspirations
> and abuse continues. The system that's meant to drive progress and protect
> society ends up encouraging the thing it's meant to stop.
>
Kids today can't even bring rubber bands to their algebra class.
Rube bands are considered weapons of math disruption.
--
Peter
Yep.
One of my mother's paintings was put in a store front in a Nova Scotia
town and the police were called in. Quite an uproar for a simple figure
nude which for that matter was coloured in a way that made it nearly
abstract.
Does this mean string is banned for lectures on string theory?
It must relate to the lack of lead in their diet today.
It seems things were different when entire toys were made of lead
rather than all the hand wrenching over traces of lead in the paint in
some Chinese made toys.
I can just imagine some annoying child protective services or
enviro-warrior type destroying a valuable collection of cast lead
soldiers, all in the name of protecting the kiddies.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
A string was not allowed to enter a disco. He tried agian and tied himself
into a bow tie.
At the door the bouncer said "you're still a sting, can't let you in."
The string said, "No, i'm afraid not."
> It seems things were different when entire toys were made of lead rather
> than all the hand wrenching over traces of lead in the paint in some
> Chinese made toys.
>
> I can just imagine some annoying child protective services or
> enviro-warrior type destroying a valuable collection of cast lead
> soldiers, all in the name of protecting the kiddies.
>
There are some in every crowd.
--
Peter
Years ago I purchased some molds that I saw in a store in NYC. My son
cast dozens of soldiers with them using melted tire weights. He
melted the weights himself and painted the soldiers. He seems no
worse for wear.
Scissors & kittens!
If you can find any strings that small, not only will you not ban them,
you will use them to support your pursuit of the Nobel Prize in Physics.
Where does that leave us with "The fabric of the Universe?"
--
Regards,
Savageduck
As a matter of fact, rubber bands make an excellent tool for explaining
ratios to children.....You mark three spots along the unstretched band, and
then show how the distance ratio remains the same when the band is
stretched.
> Sounds interesting. I'd love to visit the beautiful state of Utah again; but,
> alas, I don't expect to be there anytime soon.
> : On the way back to my car I passed through the Harris Fine Arts Center
> : and enjoyed a delightful but small (16 photos) student photo exhibit
> : called ". . . and then the cops came." The exhibited photos each had an
> : accompanying story by the photographers of their encounter with the law
> : while they were taking the photograph.
> I suppose it's reassuring that that exhibit was small!
I rather like it when a friendly cop comes over to find out what I'm
up to, is reassured by my replies, and we sometimes go on to have a
friendly conversation. The problem arises when the cop is hostile and
is not reassured.
Or when the cop isn't initially hostile, but doesn't like the hostile
attitude of the photographer. Some people are rude to the police as a
matter of course. It's often quite easy to provoke police into
treating you badly.
--
Chris Malcolm
Yeah, I remember bumming a ride off a fellow student at OSU once--the
guy got stopped for something trivial--burnt out tail light IIRC, and he
starts off with "listen cop" and put a "pop" on the "p". I really
wanted to be somewhere else. Asshole spent the night in jail and had to
get his car out of the impound when all the cop had intended by stopping
him was to tell him to get it fixed.
>
One photo was of a nice custom motorcycle that the photographers friend
had built. They had taken it to an old factory that was due for
demolition to use as a backdrop. A cop shows up to check them out and
then leaves. Suddenly he returns with two or three other cop cars. The
first cop and radioed his buddies to come check out the cool bike.
Russell
Now you're getting into darker matter.
I have some experience in that area.
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/29864875
In my younger days long ago, I subscribed to a sports car magazine. (Yes, I
owned some fast cars, although I didn't drive them very fast.) Once there was
a discussion of how to deal with being stopped by the police for speeding. A
state cop pointed out that a lot depended on whether the person stopped came
across as a sensible driver pusing the envelope or a wise-ass. He said that
the way the driver reacted to being stopped often dictated whether he wrote a
ticket or ended up having a friendly conversation about fast cars and how to
drive them.
Bob
> ticket or ended up having a friendly conversation about fast cars and how to
> drive them.
I've never known anyone who talked their way out of a speeding ticket in
Quebec.
Being nice does result in a lower speed/points bracket. (eg: if you're
doing 125 in a 100 zone, he'll likely write in 120 ...)
111 - 120: $90 1 point
121 - 130: $140 2 points
So worth it to be nice. (A nice lady cop knocked me down from 135 to
119 in Ontario once ...)
> In my younger days long ago, I subscribed to a sports car magazine. (Yes,
> I owned some fast cars, although I didn't drive them very fast.) Once
> there was a discussion of how to deal with being stopped by the police for
> speeding. A state cop pointed out that a lot depended on whether the
> person stopped came across as a sensible driver pusing the envelope or a
> wise-ass. He said that the way the driver reacted to being stopped often
> dictated whether he wrote a ticket or ended up having a friendly
> conversation about fast cars and how to drive them.
Bottom line: is someone a constructive and helpful member of society, or a
fuckwit deadweight that needs deleting from the gene pool?
--
Charles E Hardwidge
I think this thread has strung itself out.
--
Peter
I count my lucky stars often that I moved here (it's sort of where one
line of my family came from three generations back - probably one
reason it feels more like home than anywhere else I ever lived)
We have a choice of two butchers, two greengrocers and two electrical
shops, a stationers and a print shop all within walking distance and
all owned by local people I know personally. For everything else
there's the internet - and all the delivery guys know where to stash
parcels when we're out.
Absolute bliss compared to the shopping mall where I used to live,
where you had to hand in all your shopping to the security guard to go
in Virgin Records, and "trust" the Neanderthal not to steal anything
>
Why doesn't anyone sell rubber Moebius strips?
Unbelievable!
Er, no it's not :(
During the recent snow I was intending to build a snowman complete
with two onions and a carrot. Then I decided I'd probably get
arrested.
>In rec.photo.digital Robert Coe <b...@1776.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:30:55 -0700, "Russell D." <r...@sfcn.org> wrote:
>> : If any of you are going to be in the Provo/Salt Lake City, Utah (USA),
>> : area in the next couple of months, I highly recommend the "From
>> : Daguerreotype to Digital: A History of Photography" exhibit at the
>> : Harold B. Lee Library on the Brigham Young University campus in Provo. I
>> : attended it today an really enjoyed it. It was informative, very
>> : educational and very well presented. I was not aware that there had been
>> : so many different ways of taking and processing photos. My only
>> : complaint was that there was not a pamphlet or brochure of some kind to
>> : help me remember the things that I learned.
>
>> Sounds interesting. I'd love to visit the beautiful state of Utah again; but,
>> alas, I don't expect to be there anytime soon.
>
>> : On the way back to my car I passed through the Harris Fine Arts Center
>> : and enjoyed a delightful but small (16 photos) student photo exhibit
>> : called ". . . and then the cops came." The exhibited photos each had an
>> : accompanying story by the photographers of their encounter with the law
>> : while they were taking the photograph.
>
>> I suppose it's reassuring that that exhibit was small!
>
>I rather like it when a friendly cop comes over to find out what I'm
>up to, is reassured by my replies, and we sometimes go on to have a
>friendly conversation. The problem arises when the cop is hostile and
>is not reassured.
Yes, one of my neighbours (and friends) is in the Force. I've also had
a good chat with a couple of guys carrying sub-machine-guns at the
nearby nuclear power station (they warned me about the non-Police
security guards)
>Or when the cop isn't initially hostile, but doesn't like the hostile
>attitude of the photographer. Some people are rude to the police as a
>matter of course. It's often quite easy to provoke police into
>treating you badly.
Sometimes just breathing is enough.
I also knew a couple of ex-Police, one an Ex-Inspector, who left
precisely because they didn't like the way they were being pressured
to act against the public. OTOH I also knew another who left because
he didn't approve of not being allowed to take people round the back
and give them a good slapping. He spent his lunch hour walking round
the car parks checking for expired tax discs.
>Yeah, I remember bumming a ride off a fellow student at OSU once--the
>guy got stopped for something trivial--burnt out tail light IIRC, and he
>starts off with "listen cop" and put a "pop" on the "p". I really
>wanted to be somewhere else. Asshole spent the night in jail and had to
>get his car out of the impound when all the cop had intended by stopping
>him was to tell him to get it fixed.
Heh, yes I had a good laugh with a local cop once when he pulled up
alongside me in my truck and I noticed *his* tail light was out
"Excuse me, Officer, is that your car?" etc.
Half an hour later I saw him t'other side of town
"I thought you told me you were going to get that light fixed!"
They were pretty decent there but the local traffic warden made up for
it
>
>In my younger days long ago, I subscribed to a sports car magazine. (Yes, I
>owned some fast cars, although I didn't drive them very fast.) Once there was
>a discussion of how to deal with being stopped by the police for speeding. A
>state cop pointed out that a lot depended on whether the person stopped came
>across as a sensible driver pusing the envelope or a wise-ass. He said that
>the way the driver reacted to being stopped often dictated whether he wrote a
>ticket or ended up having a friendly conversation about fast cars and how to
>drive them.
A trucker colleague had a very Polish name but his English was better
than mine.
Once when stopped by the Police he put on an impenetrable accent
"You-are-going-too-fast!" explained the Policeman slowly and patiently
"No, I is going to BRISTOL!"
if that didn't work, they usually left him alone when they started
trying to spell his name and he added a few extra zs
Another one had a pretty bad experience which worked out well, since
he usually did continental work he had an LHD Volvo F88 which had a
BIG blind spot on the right between the mirrors.
He could vaguely see a blue flashing light right in his blind spot so
slowed down. The Police car then pulled in front of him far too close
and slammed on its brakes. It ended up about eight feet long, embedded
on his front bumper.
Two shaking coppers climbed out
"I'm sorry" said the Sergeant "he's new to Traffic Duty, I told him to
give you a proper braking distance but would the little prat listen,
would he fuck!"
They just wouldn't know which side to display as up.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Or Klein bottles
--
Peter
Escher Belvedere's are esp. hard to get built. Engineers and architects
mutter something about building codes and refuse to bid.
Likewise Escher staircases ... yet they're so practical as well as
aesthetically pleasing.
>On 10-03-17 19:42 , Peter wrote:
>> "Albert Ross" <sp...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:6ab2q5lk98h8udo1b...@4ax.com...
>>> Why doesn't anyone sell rubber Moebius strips?
>>
>>
>> Or Klein bottles
>>
>
>Escher Belvedere's are esp. hard to get built. Engineers and architects
>mutter something about building codes and refuse to bid.
>
>Likewise Escher staircases ... yet they're so practical as well as
>aesthetically pleasing.
Heh heh
Pleasant memories of a tab of acid and a few hours spent with a book
of Escher etchings. I learned a lot that day . . .
>>
>> Escher Belvedere's are esp. hard to get built. Engineers and
>> architects mutter something about building codes and refuse to bid.
>>
>> Likewise Escher staircases ... yet they're so practical as well as
>> aesthetically pleasing.
>>
>>
> The only problem with them is that people keep falling off when they're
> halfway up.
Or halfway left, for that matter.
>> Why doesn't anyone sell rubber Moebius strips?
> Or Klein bottles
http://www.kleinbottle.com/
http://www.grand-illusions.com/acatalog/Wine_Klein.html
http://www.3dexport.com/img-klein-bottle-7645.htm
http://www.bathsheba.com/math/klein/klein_x1.html
http://www.4physics.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36/products_id/458
http://www.kleinbottle.com/klein_bottle_hats.htm
-Wolfgang
You can actually buy a Klein bottle.
--
Peter
That shouldn't happen in Australia.
--
Peter
I want the Klein Stein :-)
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"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi
A chemistry teacher in college had a bunch of these.
I hadn't thought of that.