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Aapatchie

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Mar 6, 2002, 8:36:00 PM3/6/02
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For a few years now I've been seeing this phrase
in various readings. What does it mean?

Thanks,

Aa


socrates314

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Mar 7, 2002, 4:02:50 AM3/7/02
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Aapatchie <dono...@bogus.net> wrote:

> For a few years now I've been seeing this phrase
> in various readings. What does it mean?

nothing

(well, it sometimes loosely refers to all kinds of totally different
cultural paradigms that appeared after the "modern" times of the 20ies
and 30ies of last century--in this sense it refers to around the last 4
decades of last century-- and it often indicates that the author has no
clue of what he/se is talking about, but most often it really means
nothing at all)

Walter K.

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Mar 7, 2002, 6:40:33 AM3/7/02
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One type of post modernism is the belief that there are no universal
standards of rationality. Funnily enough, I just read about it yesterday in
"Rationality in Action", the newest book from UC Berkeley's philosophy of
mind and language professor, John Searle. His opinion on post modernism (as
it applies to rationality) is that it's nonsense. A rational relativist
cannot argue his position if indeed there are no universal standards of
rationality, because to persuade by argument presupposes standards of
rationality.

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Mortimir

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Mar 7, 2002, 1:11:15 PM3/7/02
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Hmm... I suppose it might be referring to the period of philosophers after
I. Kant up to someone else... Usually the Modern period is known as around
1600 through I. Kant. Therefore, it seems reasonable that the time starting
after Kant would be Post-Modern.

I'm not positive on this, though.

Mortimir


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Wordsmith

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Mar 7, 2002, 1:28:19 PM3/7/02
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"Walter K." <*walte...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RkIh8.28678$e07.6056@sccrnsc01>...

> One type of post modernism is the belief that there are no universal
> standards of rationality. Funnily enough, I just read about it yesterday in
> "Rationality in Action", the newest book from UC Berkeley's philosophy of
> mind and language professor, John Searle. His opinion on post modernism (as
> it applies to rationality) is that it's nonsense. A rational relativist
> cannot argue his position if indeed there are no universal standards of
> rationality, because to persuade by argument presupposes standards of
> rationality.

Somewhere, somewhen, somehow...there's gotta be a rock-solid foundation!

Wordsmith :)

1Z

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Mar 7, 2002, 3:47:51 PM3/7/02
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"Aapatchie" <dono...@bogus.net> wrote in message news:<4uzh8.78103$Dh.73...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> For a few years now I've been seeing this phrase
> in various readings. What does it mean?

see alt.postmodern

Aapatchie

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Mar 7, 2002, 9:28:32 PM3/7/02
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Thanks for all the replies,
from all this I think it just
refers to the 2nd half of the 20th century,
with the first half being referred to as the
modern era.

The modern era came to a close with
WW2 I guess, and everything after is
"post-modern." Any new ideas are
ipso facto, post-modern.


Blake Merriam

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:37:04 PM3/8/02
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"Aapatchie" <dono...@bogus.net> wrote in message news:<klVh8.134726$pN4.6...@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...

One example of something thats 'post-moden' is recorded music vs. live
performance. When records were invented modernists proclaimed the
"death of live music" because, rationally, why go see a live band when
you could just buy the record or CD and listen to them whenever you
wanted? Sounds rational right?

However, this ofcource did not happen. In fact, people who perchase a
musical group in recorded format are often MORE likley to go see them
live, not less.

This phenomenon has continues to present inself in different forms.
For example, the debate over weather downloadable music steals profts
from the recording industry, or contributes to more CD sales.

Blake Merriam

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Mar 8, 2002, 4:37:49 PM3/8/02
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word...@rocketmail.com (Wordsmith) wrote in message news:<cddcc385.0203...@posting.google.com>...

> "Walter K." <*walte...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RkIh8.28678$e07.6056@sccrnsc01>...
> > One type of post modernism is the belief that there are no universal
> > standards of rationality. Funnily enough, I just read about it yesterday in
> > "Rationality in Action", the newest book from UC Berkeley's philosophy of
> > mind and language professor, John Searle. His opinion on post modernism (as
> > it applies to rationality) is that it's nonsense. A rational relativist
> > cannot argue his position if indeed there are no universal standards of
> > rationality, because to persuade by argument presupposes standards of
> > rationality.
>
> Somewhere, somewhen, somehow...there's gotta be a rock-solid foundation!
>
> Wordsmith :)

...or else I might loose my job! :)

Wordsmith

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Mar 8, 2002, 9:18:19 PM3/8/02
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PENG...@HOTMAIL.COM (Blake Merriam) wrote in message news:<9dbe456f.02030...@posting.google.com>...

I'll bite...whaddya do?

W :)

Bison Friendly

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"Aapatchie" <dono...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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Postmodernism is, to paraphrase Umberto Eco, the reason why we can no longer
say, "I love you," and that it has instead to be, "As Barbara Cartland said,
'I love you'."


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