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Jun 28, 2012, 1:29:40 PM6/28/12
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The Netherlands to Abandon Multiculturalism

Gatestone Institute

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multiculturalism

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

pundit.har...@inderosa.com

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They decide for the america model where anyone is invited to become an
american. They leave behind the canada model where anyone is urged to
creat a little spot of what they left behind.


Both models have their merits and both in the examples given have had their
success when implemented correctly.

Both have freedom of action to do whatever one wants as long as it conforms
to the laws to which all must abide. As long as that happens it makes no
difference what cultural expression one chooses.

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Jun 28, 2012, 2:31:28 PM6/28/12
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Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
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> The Netherlands to Abandon Multiculturalism
>
> Gatestone Institute
>
> http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multiculturalism

An ongoing discussion here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900486/posts

pundit.har...@inderone.com

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Zinnic

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Urged to create a little spot of the intolerance they left behind?
Is'nt that a death wish?

pundit.har...@inderowh.com

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Jun 28, 2012, 5:00:38 PM6/28/12
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> They decide for the america model where anyone is invited to become an
> american. =A0They leave behind the canada model where anyone is urged to
> creat a little spot of what they left behind.
>
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> success when implemented correctly.
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> Both have freedom of action to do whatever one wants as long as it
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> to the laws to which all must abide. =A0As long as that happens it makes
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> difference what cultural expression one chooses.

"Urged to create a little spot of the intolerance they left behind? Is'nt
that a death wish?"

For whom where and what, otherwise the question is impossible to answer.

Zinnic

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Jun 28, 2012, 6:17:27 PM6/28/12
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Tha answer is obvious. A tolerant society that "urges" the expansion
of a cancerous intolerant spot is doomed to be taken over by the
intolerant cancer. Tolerance of into
Tolerance of intolerance has only one outcome.
Zinnic

Bret Cahill

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Jun 29, 2012, 1:38:56 AM6/29/12
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If that were true the intolerants would win.

Like any despotism, however, intolerant Islam cannot coexist with free
speech. The internet isn't going away so the wife beating gay bashing
tyrants will have to "come up with a new plan Stan."


Bret Cahill


Peter Terpstra

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Jun 29, 2012, 4:00:55 AM6/29/12
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wrote:

> The Netherlands to Abandon Multiculturalism

Merely words, little truth :-)

Thank you kindly & Blessings for you!

Peter

--
A beautiful song from Tibet
I miss Dalai Lama
http://youtu.be/_zo3kYvJr38

pundit.har...@inderoto.com

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:24:42 AM6/29/12
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> > They decide for the america model where anyone is invited to become an
> > american. =3DA0They leave behind the canada model where anyone is
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> > difference what cultural expression one chooses.
>
> "Urged to create a little spot of the intolerance they left behind? Is'nt
> that a death wish?"
>
> For whom where and what, otherwise the question is impossible to answer.

"Tha answer is obvious. A tolerant society that "urges" the expansion of a
cancerous intolerant spot is doomed to be taken over by the intolerant
cancer. Tolerance of into Tolerance of intolerance has only one outcome."

So absent an actual who what when you speak in the abstract? Not really
very useful or helpful one thinks.

But if as given the law to which all are to abide is realized as it is in
canada and america, that of which you speculate is cut short.

Zinnic

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:36:25 AM6/29/12
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A little intolerance is not dangerous, it is essential in the
practical world.

pundit.har...@inderoin.com

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:53:01 AM6/29/12
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> > > They decide for the america model where anyone is invited to become
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> > > american. =3D3DA0They leave behind the canada model where anyone is
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> > no
>
> > > difference what cultural expression one chooses.
>
> > "Urged to create a little spot of the intolerance they left behind?
Is'=
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> > that a death wish?"
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> > For whom where and what, otherwise the question is impossible to
answer=
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>
> "Tha answer is obvious. A tolerant society that "urges" the expansion of
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> cancerous intolerant spot is doomed to be taken over by the intolerant
> cancer. Tolerance of into Tolerance of intolerance has only one outcome."
>
> So absent an actual who what when you speak in the abstract? =A0Not
reall=
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> very useful or helpful one thinks.
>
> But if as given the law to which all are to abide is realized as it is in
> canada and america, that of which you speculate is cut short.

"A little intolerance is not dangerous, it is essential in the practical
world."

Part of abiding to a common law is that it applies to all equally. So the
practical is what is the practice allowed by any and all. None stand in a
position to demand nor define what is "tolerant" outside what is lawful for
all.

Who, where and what would be useful least this is creating just so stories.

Bret Cahill

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Jun 29, 2012, 10:55:48 AM6/29/12
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That does too much harm and not enough good. You've moved more in
their direction then they yours. You forgot _Lord of the Flies_.

If a bigot homophobe on chat groups calls you a "faggot" is your
response to call him a faggot?

The only real solution is free speech. If they cannot take free
speech to the point where they get violent -- and this will always be
the case with intolerant fascists -- _then_ treat them like any other
violent criminal.

The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
benefit risk analysis. It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
shark attacks.

Let the internet do its magic and forget about being a jihader, no
matter how revolting you consider those despotisms.


Bret Cahill


Zinnic

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Jun 29, 2012, 12:45:27 PM6/29/12
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Do you mean that we should be intolerant of the violent criminal but
be tolerant of fundamental Islamic groups that favor "intolerant
fascism" .

> The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
> magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
> benefit risk analysis.  It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
> shark attacks.

It is not crazy to fear snake bites or shark attacks when there is
good evidence that snakes and sharks are in your house or swim pool.

> Let the internet do its magic and forget about being a jihader, no
> matter how revolting you consider those despotisms.

Kinda "peace in our time" and allow discussions and negotiations work
their magic as they did in the thirties? Huh!
Zinnic

Bret Cahill

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:46:23 PM6/29/12
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Why not treat the jihaders like any other violent criminal?

Life and liberty are 100% dependent on constitutional rights. Why
trade something that critical when the threat from jihaders is so
insignificant?

It seems like penny wise pound foolish on steroids.

Where I disagree with Carter is that these rights are "downstream" and
are suffering because the First Amendment has been neglected. Carter
needs to correct the censorship problem first and _then_ the rest will
take care of itself or will at least be a lot easier to solve.

> but
> be tolerant of  fundamental Islamic groups that favor "intolerant
> fascism" .

Depends on how they "favor 'intolerant fascism'." If they are
strapping on bomb belts then obviously we need better controls on
explosives.

> > The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
> > magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
> > benefit risk analysis.  It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
> > shark attacks.

> It is not crazy to fear snake bites or shark attacks when there  is
> good evidence that snakes and sharks are in your house or swim pool.

But back to reality. Snake and shark attacks are so rare that only
the ignorant let it enter their calculations.

> > Let the internet do its magic and forget about being a jihader, no
> > matter how revolting you consider those despotisms.

> Kinda "peace in our time"

You think the internet induced conflict in Syria is "peace in our
time?"

> and allow discussions and negotiations work
> their magic as they did in the thirties? Huh!

The nazis had a military that was a generation ahead of anything else
on the planet. The Germans also had the trust of the Jewish people.
The Germans were western civilization until they went berserk.

None of this is true for the jihaders.

To put it in context, the most the jihaders can do is kill 0.00000%
the number who will die from climate change.

It would make a whole lot more sense to worry about what is goling to
get you killed.

And it's unlikely to be jihaders.


Bret Cahill




Zinnic

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Jun 30, 2012, 3:27:03 PM6/30/12
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That is equivalent to saying that if they are using automatic rifles
to kill innocents then the obvious remedy is gun control! Sheesh!

> > > The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
> > > magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
> > > benefit risk analysis.  It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
> > > shark attacks.
> > It is not crazy to fear snake bites or shark attacks when there  is
> > good evidence that snakes and sharks are in your house or swim pool.
>
> But back to reality.  Snake and shark attacks are so rare that only
> the ignorant let it enter their calculations.

So terrorist "attacks are so rare that only the ignorant let it enter
their calculations" that security measures should be introduced for
protection of transport, buildings and theaters of mass public access?

> > > Let the internet do its magic and forget about being a jihader, no
> > > matter how revolting you consider those despotisms.
> > Kinda "peace in our time"
>
> You think the internet induced conflict in Syria is "peace in our
> time?"

I think that the jihadists are taking advantage of, and involving
themselves in, that situation. I have no confidence that replacing
Assad with the Islamic revolutionaries will lead to a democratic
solution if the machinations of "revolting" jihadists are ignored.
You think that the Muslim Brotherhood'simposition of Sharia law in
Egypt will lead to democracy?

> > and allow discussions and negotiations work
> > their magic as they did in the thirties? Huh!
>
> The nazis had a military that was a generation ahead of anything else
> on the planet.  The Germans also had the trust of the Jewish people.
> The Germans were western civilization until they went berserk.
>
> None of this is true for the jihaders.

Different political situations but there wil be equally disasterous
outcomes if the jihadist "cancer within" is ignored by western
civilization.

> To put it in context, the most the jihaders can do is kill 0.00000%
> the number who will die from climate change.
>pIt would make a whole lot more sense to worry about what is goling to
> get you killed.
> And it's unlikely to be jihaders.
>
I worry that if I "insult" their a religious icon, many Islamists
believe they have the right to kill me.
I worry that islamic fathers believe that they have the right to kill
daughters that 'dishonor' them.
I worry that many Islamists enthusiastically stone to death females
whom they believe are guilty of adultery.
I even worry that there is an incipient movement in Canada now
calling for the legitimization of Sharia law for Islamic immigrants.
I guess I should not worry cos you know that if we just "leave them
alone, they will go home dragging their women behind them?
I thought better of you
Zinnic

Bret Cahill

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But .50 cal machine guns _are_ illegal and very few die from .50
machine gun fire, just as very few now die from induhvidualist
ownership of suitcase nukes, Apache gun ships, and, since controls on
nitrate were implemented, Tim McVeigh fertilizer bombs.

> > > > The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
> > > > magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
> > > > benefit risk analysis.  It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
> > > > shark attacks.

> > > It is not crazy to fear snake bites or shark attacks when there  is
> > > good evidence that snakes and sharks are in your house or swim pool.
>
> > But back to reality.  Snake and shark attacks are so rare that only
> > the ignorant let it enter their calculations.
>
> So terrorist "attacks are so rare that only the ignorant let it enter
> their calculations"

BINGO! You got it!

> that security measures should be introduced for
> protection of transport, buildings and theaters of mass public access?

As long as they are constitutional. The neocon crap that got started
under BushCo ain't constitutional.

> > > > Let the internet do its magic and forget about being a jihader, no
> > > > matter how revolting you consider those despotisms.

> > > Kinda "peace in our time"
>
> > You think the internet induced conflict in Syria is "peace in our
> > time?"
>
> I think that the jihadists are taking advantage of, and involving
> themselves in, that situation.

That could very well be true.

> I have no confidence that replacing
> Assad with the Islamic revolutionaries will lead to a democratic
> solution

Your fears are very well founded.

> if the machinations of "revolting" jihadists are ignored.
> You think that the Muslim Brotherhood'simposition of Sharia law in
> Egypt will lead to democracy?

Visit the Bob Graham Center. I already commented on that on the
Syrian invasion question.

> > > and allow discussions and negotiations work
> > > their magic as they did in the thirties? Huh!
>
> > The nazis had a military that was a generation ahead of anything else
> > on the planet.  The Germans also had the trust of the Jewish people.
> > The Germans were western civilization until they went berserk.
>
> > None of this is true for the jihaders.
>
> Different political situations but there wil be equally disasterous
> outcomes  if the jihadist "cancer within" is ignored by  western
> civilization.

How many westerners do you know that have converted to Islam?

> > To put it in context, the most the jihaders can do is kill 0.00000%
> > the number who will die from climate change.
> >pIt would make a whole lot more sense to worry about what is goling to
> > get you killed.
> > And it's unlikely to be jihaders.

> I worry that if I "insult" their a religious icon, many Islamists
> believe they have the right to kill me.

Just get some long term security before you do it. If you planned it
well you could spend the rest of your life doing something fun like
surfing or fishing and continue to taunt them.

When it comes to free speech there is no quid pro quo. I'll support
you unconditionally.

> I worry that islamic fathers believe that they have the right  to kill
> daughters that 'dishonor' them.

If you want an Enlightenment based politico to defend that despotic
society you need to move to a different thread.

I could care less about "Zionism" but the reality is I could move to
Tel Aviv and be my usual barf head self and the worst that would
happen is I'd be widely ignored.

I'd be decapitated in 5 minutes in a Muslim despotism.


Bret Cahill



Zinnic

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So I guess your choice would be to not control groups that engender
violence but to concentrate on limiting their opportunity to access
weapons of violence. Good luck!

> > > > > The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
> > > > > magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
> > > > > benefit risk analysis.  It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
> > > > > shark attacks.
> > > > It is not crazy to fear snake bites or shark attacks when there  is
> > > > good evidence that snakes and sharks are in your house or swim pool.
>
> > > But back to reality.  Snake and shark attacks are so rare that only
> > > the ignorant let it enter their calculations.
>
> > So terrorist "attacks are so rare that only the ignorant let it enter
> > their calculations"
>
> BINGO!  You got it!

Do you think that you 'scored' a point here?

> > that security measures should be introduced for
> > protection of transport, buildings and theaters of mass public access?
>
> As long as they are constitutional.  The neocon crap that got started
> under BushCo ain't constitutional.

Ooh! The slippery slope again. I guess you extreme constitutionalists
do not understand that friction (opposition) is an integral factor in
the braking process.
I KNOW that a significant proportion of African Americans have
converted.
I KNOW that there has been significant immigration of Islamists into
almost all western nations.
I KNOW that that the avowed ambition of Islam is to create an Islamic
state everywhere by 'fair' (moderates) means or foul (Jihadists).
I KNOW that allegiance to religious law RATHER than to the law of the
land puts western civilisation at risk.

I also KNOW why you did not address the demand by an Islamic faction
that Sharia law be recognized under the Canadian constitution!



> > > To put it in context, the most the jihaders can do is kill 0.00000%
> > > the number who will die from climate change.
> > >pIt would make a whole lot more sense to worry about what is goling to
> > > get you killed.
> > > And it's unlikely to be jihaders.
> > I worry that if I "insult" their a religious icon, many Islamists
> > believe they have the right to kill me.


> Just get some long term security before you do it.  If you planned it
> well you could spend the rest of your life doing something fun like
> surfing or fishing and continue to taunt them.

So you classify legitimate criticism of religious extremists as
"taunting"? Shades of the Spanish Inquisition!

> When it comes to free speech there is no quid pro quo.  I'll support you unconditionally.

And you'll pay my bills for "some long term security"? Chatter on!

> > I worry that islamic fathers believe that they have the right  to kill
> > daughters that 'dishonor' them.
>
> If you want an Enlightenment based politico to defend that despotic
> society you need to move to a different thread.
>
> I could care less about "Zionism" but the reality is I could move to
> Tel Aviv and be my usual barf head self and the worst that would
> happen is I'd be widely ignored.

> I'd be decapitated in 5 minutes in a Muslim despotism.

Not if you took your own advice and "got" long term security ;)
Zinnic


Red Sifferdi

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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> The Netherlands to Abandon Multiculturalism
>
> Gatestone Institute
>
> http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2219/netherlands-abandons-multicult...
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Your name sounds pretty damn multicultural to me.

You would be the first one to be deported back to India where you
belong.

What are you a doctor in? Buttfucking Elephants?


You can smell the curry for miles.

Bret Cahill

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How do you "control" groups of people w/o violating constitutional
rights?

You really think you can persuade voters that you will be a nice
dictator?

> > > > > > The threat of Islamic terrorism has been over hyped 6 orders of
> > > > > > magnitude more than what could ever be justified by any sensible cost
> > > > > > benefit risk analysis. It's crazier than the fear of snake bites or
> > > > > > shark attacks.
> > > > > It is not crazy to fear snake bites or shark attacks when there is
> > > > > good evidence that snakes and sharks are in your house or swim pool.
>
> > > > But back to reality. Snake and shark attacks are so rare that only
> > > > the ignorant let it enter their calculations.
>
> > > So terrorist "attacks are so rare that only the ignorant let it enter
> > > their calculations"

> > BINGO! You got it!

> Do you think that you 'scored' a point here?

You'll become an actuarial if you keep up the good work!

> > > that security measures should be introduced for
> > > protection of transport, buildings and theaters of mass public access?
>
> > As long as they are constitutional. The neocon crap that got started
> > under BushCo ain't constitutional.
>
> Ooh! The slippery slope again.

Was any group more intent than the BushCo era neocons on not going
down the "slippery slope" of critical thinking?

You know how the motley assortment of anti-immigration wing nuts --
all bigots according to SPLC -- were successful in closing the border
with their ultra ridiculous argument that bin Laden might be coming
across?

The answer is simple. BushCo and the media had the country under such
a lock down after 9/11 -- if anyone asked any questions he could be
assumed to be an unpatriotic terrorist lover -- that all anyone had to
do to get their way politically was to invoke terrorism.

No questions asked, not even the most primitive cost-benefit risk
analysis before blowing a trillion on moronic BushCo quagmires.

So where were you when the neocons were doing everything possible to
keep the U. S. from going down the "slippery slope" of critical
thought?

> I guess you extreme constitutionalists

You don't think your cavalier attitude on constitutional rights could
come back to bite you on the fanny someday?

As the people say, "what goes around comes around."

And as I point out, "with the internet it comes back around at warp
speed."

> do not understand that friction (opposition) is an integral factor in
> the braking process.

Where was this braking process 10 years ago?
How many?

20% of that politically powerless minority?

Anyway you dodged the question:

How many westerners do you know who have converted to Islam?

> I KNOW that there has been significant immigration of Islamists into
> almost all western nations.

1. What percent of France is Muslim?

2. What percent of the U. S. is Muslim?

France still seems like a normal western country. We have real
problems in the U. S., vast and increasing disparity of wealth, rising
sea levels due to climate change, etc.

3. Why should Americans spend even 2 minutes a year worrying about
Muslim immigration?

If I don't see some single sig fig numbers then you have no analysis,
nothing quantitative, just some vague unfounded fears.

Islam may need a reformation but you don't help that cause by vaguely
making them out to be The Greatest Threat To Western Civilization the
World Has Ever Seen.

The situation is different than Chinggis Khan invading 13th Century
Europe.

> I KNOW that that the avowed ambition of Islam is to create an Islamic
> state everywhere by 'fair' (moderates) means or foul (Jihadists).

Yes, and 40 million Americans believe the Rapture will cause Jews to
become Christians (or some such nonsense).

What's your point?

How are Muslims any different than other religious wing nuts (other
than the occasional suicide bomber)?

> I KNOW that allegiance to religious law RATHER than to the law of the
> land puts western civilisation at risk.

In the U. S. the Constitution is the law of the land.

You aren't just flip flopping in a single thread. You are now flip
flopping in a single post.

> I also KNOW why you did not address the demand by an Islamic faction
> that Sharia law be recognized under the Canadian constitution!

You think Muslims are the _only_ religious wing nuts making crazy
demands?

Watch Bill Moyers once or twice.

> > > > To put it in context, the most the jihaders can do is kill 0.00000%
> > > > the number who will die from climate change.
> > > >pIt would make a whole lot more sense to worry about what is goling to
> > > > get you killed.
> > > > And it's unlikely to be jihaders.

> > > I worry that if I "insult" their a religious icon, many Islamists
> > > believe they have the right to kill me.

> > Just get some long term security before you do it. If you planned it
> > well you could spend the rest of your life doing something fun like
> > surfing or fishing and continue to taunt them.

> So you classify legitimate criticism of religious extremists as
> "taunting"?

Your criticism of Islam is legitimate enough. Your problem is trying
to make a nminor issue into some kind of great threat.

Just having some 0.01% media bimbo gush "imPOOORtant" or "9/11 changed
EEEEEVERything" isn't very convincing.

> Shades of the Spanish Inquisition!

Kook koo.

> > When it comes to free speech there is no quid pro quo. I'll support you unconditionally.

> And you'll pay my bills for "some long term security"?

Some other entity might pay it. After all, it might not cost all that
much. A lot of armed guards wouldn't be the way to do it.

How many Muslim extremists do you ever see surfing Teahupoo? His bomb
belt or AK-47 would get all wet and wouldn't fire.

> > > I worry that islamic fathers believe that they have the right to kill
> > > daughters that 'dishonor' them.

> > If you want an Enlightenment based politico to defend that despotic
> > society you need to move to a different thread.

> > I could care less about "Zionism" but the reality is I could move to
> > Tel Aviv and be my usual barf head self and the worst that would
> > happen is I'd be widely ignored.
> > I'd be decapitated in 5 minutes in a Muslim despotism.

> Not if you took your own advice and "got" long term security ;)

You think that fugitive Mormon is still alive? If he can do it
without support and Salman Rushdie can do it with support . . .


Bret Cahill

Ryan Brown

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Bret Cahill wrote:


>
> You think Muslims are the _only_ religious wing ...


At least Muslims aren't a bunch of freakish clowns who worship a multi-
limbed monster-bitch with the head of an Elephant.

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Islam: 270 Million Bodies in 1400 Years

November 8, 2007

Frontpage Interview's guest today is Bill Warner, the
director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam
(CSPI). http://www.cspipublishing.com/

CSPI's goal is to teach the doctrine of political Islam
through its books and it has produced a series on its
focus.

Mr. Warner did not write the CSPI series, but he acts as
the agent for a group of scholars who are the authors.

FP: Bill Warner, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Warner: Thank you Jamie for this opportunity.

FP: Tell us a bit about the Center for the Study of
Political Islam.

Warner: The Center for the Study of Political Islam is a
group of scholars who are devoted to the scientific study
of the foundational texts of Islam -- Koran, Sira (life of
Mohammed) and Hadith (traditions of Mohammed). There are
two areas to study in Islam, its doctrine and history, or
as CSPI sees it -- the theory and its results. We study the
history to see the practical or experimental results of the
doctrine.

CSPI seems to be the first group to use statistics to study
the doctrine. Previous scientific studies of the Koran are
primarily devoted to Arabic language studies.

Our first principle is that Koran, Sira and Hadith must be
taken as a whole. We call them the Islamic Trilogy to
emphasize the unity of the texts.

Our major intellectual breakthrough is to see that dualism
is the foundation and key to understanding Islam.
Everything about Islam comes in twos starting with its
foundational declaration: (1) there is no god but Allah and
(2) Mohammed is His prophet. Therefore, Islam is Allah
(Koran) and the Sunna (words and deeds of Mohammed found in
the Sira and Hadith).

Endless ink has been wasted on trying to answer the
question of what is Islam? Is Islam the religion of peace?
Or is the true Islam a radical ideology? Is a moderate
Muslim the real Muslim?

This reminds a scientist of the old arguments about light.
Is light a particle or is light a wave? The arguments went
back and forth. Quantum mechanics gave us the answer. Light
is dualistic; it is both a particle and a wave. It depends
upon the circumstances as to which quality manifests. Islam
functions in the same manner.

Our first clue about the dualism is in the Koran, which is
actually two books, the Koran of Mecca (early) and the
Koran of Medina (later). The insight into the logic of the
Koran comes from the large numbers of contradictions in it.
On the surface, Islam resolves these contradictions by
resorting to "abrogation". This means that the verse
written later supersedes the earlier verse. But in fact,
since the Koran is considered by Muslims to be the perfect
word of Allah, both verses are sacred and true. The later
verse is "better," but the earlier verse cannot be wrong
since Allah is perfect. This is the foundation of dualism.
Both verses are "right." Both sides of the contradiction
are true in dualistic logic. The circumstances govern which
verse is used.

For example:

(Koran of Mecca) 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers]
say with patience, and leave them with dignity.

From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not
even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:

(Koran of Medina) 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels
and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the
believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers' hearts,
cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!"

All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction
-- if two things contradict, then at least one of them is
false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can
contradict each other and both are true.

No dualistic system may be measured by one answer. This is
the reason that the arguments about what constitutes the
"real" Islam go on and on and are never resolved. A single
right answer does not exist.

Dualistic systems can only be measured by statistics. It is
futile to argue one side of the dualism is true. As an
analogy, quantum mechanics always gives a statistical
answer to all questions.

For an example of using statistics, look at the question:
what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual
struggle or the jihad of war? Let's turn to Bukhari (the
Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad.
In Bukhari 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3%
are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is
that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war?
Yes -- 97%. Is jihad inner struggle? Yes -- 3%. So if you
are writing an article, you can make a case for either. But
in truth, almost every argument about Islam can be answered
by: all of the above. Both sides of the duality are right.

FP: Why, in your view, is there so much ignorance about the
history and doctrine of political Islam in the West?

Warner: First, let's see how ignorant we are about the
history of political Islam. How many Christians can tell
you how Turkey or Egypt became Islamic? What happened to
the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned in Paul's letters?
Find a Jew who can tell you the Jewish history of
dhimmitude (second class citizens who serve Islam). What
European knows that white women were the highest priced
slaves in Mecca? Everyone knows how many Jews Hitler
killed, but find an unbeliever who can tell you how many
died in jihad over the last 1400 years.

We are just as ignorant about the doctrine of Islam. An FBI
agent gets two hours of training on Islam and most of that
is how not to offend the imam. We are fighting in Iraq. Who
utilizes the political, military doctrine of Islam to plan
strategy? Who can find a single rabbi or minister who has
read the Koran, Sira and Hadith? What governor, senator,
congressmen or military leader displays a knowledge of the
political doctrine of Islam? Try to find a course available
in a college about Islamic political doctrine and ethics.
Graduates are schooled in Islamic art, architecture,
poetry, Sufism, and a glorious history that ignores the
suffering of the innocent unbelievers. Graduates read
comments about the Koran and Hadith, but do not read the
actual doctrine.

FP: So why this ignorance?

Warner: Let's start at the beginning. When Islam burst out
of Arabia into a decaying Byzantine world, the unbelievers
recorded it as an Arabic invasion. Similarly, the invasion
of Eastern Europe was by Turks; the invasion of Spain was
by Moors. Our scholars were incapable of even naming the
invaders.

Mohammed killed every single intellectual or artist who
opposed him. It was fear that drove the vast majority of
the media not to reprint the Mohammed cartoons, not some
imagined sensitivity. Fear is a fabulous basis for
ignorance, but that is not enough to explain it all. What
accounts for the almost psychotic aversion to knowledge
about Islam? Beyond fear is the realization that political
Islam is profoundly foreign to us.

Let's examine the ethical basis of our civilization. All of
our politics and ethics are based upon a unitary ethic that
is best formulated in the Golden Rule:

Treat others as you would be treated.

The basis of this rule is the recognition that at one
level, we are all the same. We are not all equal. Any game
of sports will show that we do not have equal abilities.
But everyone wants to be treated as a human being. In
particular, we all want to be equal under the law and be
treated as social equals. On the basis of the Golden Rule -
- the equality of human beings -- we have created
democracy, ended slavery and treat women and men as
political equals. So the Golden Rule is a unitary ethic.
All people are to be treated the same. All religions have
some version of the Golden Rule except Islam.

FP: So how is Islam different in this context?

Warner: The term "human being" has no meaning inside of
Islam. There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality
of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical
statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie,
cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may
lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam.

There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics
in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers
another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal
statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to
Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an
unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of
the Golden Rule.

By the way, this dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad.
The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than
human and therefore, it is easy to kill, harm or deceive
the unbeliever.

Now mind you, unbelievers have frequently failed at
applying the Golden Rule, but we can be judged and
condemned on its basis. We do fall short, but it is our
ideal.

There have been other dualistic cultures. The KKK comes to
mind. But the KKK is a simplistic dualism. The KKK member
hates all black people at all times; there is only one
choice. This is very straightforward and easy to see.

The dualism of Islam is more deceitful and offers two
choices on how to treat the unbeliever. The unbeliever can
be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his
cattle well. So Islam can be "nice", but in no case is the
unbeliever a "brother" or a friend. In fact, there are some
14 verses of the Koran that are emphatic -- a Muslim is
never a friend to the unbeliever. A Muslim may be
"friendly," but he is never an actual friend. And the
degree to which a Muslim is actually a true friend is the
degree to which he is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.

FP: You mentioned earlier how logic is another point of
profound difference. Can you touch on that?

Warner: To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law
of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then
at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic
logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam
uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic.

Since Islam has a dualistic logic and dualistic ethics, it
is completely foreign to us. Muslims think differently from
us and feel differently from us. So our aversion is based
upon fear and a rejection of Islamic ethics and logic. This
aversion causes us to avoid learning about Islam so we are
ignorant and stay ignorant.

Another part of the aversion is the realization that there
is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway
place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. If you
are in a business deal with someone who is a liar and a
cheat, there is no way to avoid getting cheated. No matter
how nice you are to a con man, he will take advantage of
you. There is no compromise with dualistic ethics. In
short, Islamic politics, ethics and logic cannot be part of
our civilization. Islam does not assimilate, it dominates.
There is never any "getting along" with Islam. Its demands
never cease and the demands must be met on Islam's terms:
submission.

The last reason for our aversion to the history of
political Islam is our shame. Islam put over a million
Europeans into slavery. Since Muslims can't be enslaved, it
was a white Christian who was the Turkish sultan's sex
slave. These are things that we do not want to face.

Jews don't want to acknowledge the history of political
Islam, because they were dhimmis, second class citizens or
semi-slaves, just like the Christians. Jews like to recall
how they were advisors and physicians to powerful Muslims,
but no matter what the Jew did or what position he held, he
was still a dhimmi. There is no compromise between being
equal and being a dhimmi

Why should a Hindu want to recall the shame of slavery and
the destruction of their temples and cities? After Hindu
craftsmen built the Taj Mahal, the Muslim ruler had their
right hands cut off so that they could not build anything
as beautiful for anyone else. The practice of suttee, the
widow throwing herself on the husband's funeral pyre, came
about as a response to the rape and brutality of the
Islamic jihad as it sweep over ancient Hindustan.

Blacks don't want to face the fact that it was a Muslim who
rounded up their ancestors in Africa to wholesale to the
white slave trader. The Arab is the true master of the
African. Blacks can't accept the common bond they share
with whites: that both Europeans and Africans were slaves
under Islam. Blacks like to imagine Islam is their
counterweight to white power, not that Islam has ruled them
for 1400 years.

Dualistic logic. Dualistic ethics. Fear. Shame. There is no
compromise. These are the reasons we don't want to know
about Islam's political history, doctrine or ethics.

FP: So is there such a thing as non-political Islam?

Warner: Non-political Islam is religious Islam. Religious
Islam is what a Muslim does to avoid Hell and go to
Paradise. These are the Five Pillars -- prayer, charity to
Muslims, pilgrimage to Mecca, fasting and declaring
Mohammed to be the final prophet.

But the Trilogy is clear about the doctrine. At least 75%
of the Sira (life of Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of
the Koran written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or
politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the
unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari's Hadith is about jihad
and politics. Religion is the smallest part of Islamic
foundational texts.

Political Islam's most famous duality is the division of
the world into believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers,
dar al harb. The largest part of the Trilogy relates to
treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is
political. There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran.
Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings --
murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being
in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with
Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a
political prison for those who speak against Islam.

Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered
only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war,
in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by
averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years.
His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a
political leader.

In short, political Islam defines how the unbelievers are
to be dealt with and treated.

FP: Can you touch briefly on the history of political
Islam?

Warner: The history of political Islam starts with
Mohammed's immigration to Medina. From that point on,
Islam's appeal to the world has always had the dualistic
option of joining a glorious religion or being the subject
of political pressure and violence. After the immigration
to Medina, Islam became violent when persuasion failed.
Jihad entered the world.

After Mohammed's death, Abu Bakr, the second caliph,
settled the theological arguments of those who wished to
leave Islam with the political action of death by the
sword. The jihad of Umar (the second caliph, a pope-king)
exploded into the world of the unbelievers. Jihad destroyed
a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon
it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to
be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is
the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt,
Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost.
Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe
(part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians
were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.

Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and
80 million Hindus killed.

The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from
Alexander the Great's army in what is now Afghanistan.
Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About
10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the
practical result of pacifism.

Zoarasterianism was eliminated from Persia.

The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam.

In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have
died over the last 1400 years of jihad.

Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last
1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the
Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school.

FP: How have our intellectuals responded to Islam?

Warner: The basis of all the unbeliever's thought has
collapsed in the face of Islamic political thought, ethics
and logic. We have already mentioned how our first
intellectuals could not even name the invaders as Muslims.
We have no method of analysis of Islam. We can't agree on
what Islam is and have no knowledge about our suffering as
the victims of a 1400-year jihad.

Look at how Christians, Jews, blacks, intellectuals and
artists have dealt with Islamic doctrine and history. In
every case their primary ideas fail.

Christians believe that "love conquers all." Well, love
does not conquer Islam. Christians have a difficult time
seeing Islam as a political doctrine, not a religion. The
sectarian nature of Christian thought means that the
average non-Orthodox Christian has no knowledge or sympathy
about the Orthodox Christian's suffering.

Jews have a theology that posits a unique relationship
between Jews and the creator-god of the universe. But Islam
sees the Jews as apes who corrupted the Old Testament. Jews
see no connection between Islam's political doctrine and
Israel.

Black intellectuals have based their ideas on the
slave/victim status and how wrong it was for white
Christians to make them slaves. Islam has never
acknowledged any of the pain and suffering it has caused in
Africa with its 1400-year-old slave trade. But blacks make
no attempt to get an apology from Muslims and are silent in
the presence of Islam. Why? Is it because Arabs are their
masters?

Multiculturalism is bankrupt against Islam's demand for
every civilization to submit. The culture of tolerance
collapses in the face of the sacred intolerance of
dualistic ethics. Intellectuals respond by ignoring the
failure.

Our intellectuals and artists have been abused for 1400
years. Indeed, the psychology of our intellectuals is
exactly like the psychology of the abused wife, the
sexually abused child or rape victim. Look at the parallels
between the response of abuse victims and our
intellectuals. See how violence has caused denial.

The victims deny that the abuse took place: Our media never
reports the majority of jihad around the world. Our
intellectuals don't talk about how all of the violence is
connected to a political doctrine.

The abuser uses fear to control the victim: What was the
reason that newspapers would not publish the Mohammed
cartoon? Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence for his
novel. What "cutting edge" artist creates any artistic
statement about Islam? Fear rules our intellectuals and
artists.

The victims find ways to blame themselves: We are to blame
for the attacks on September 11, 2001. If we try harder
Muslims will act nicer. We have to accommodate their needs.


The victim is humiliated: White people will not talk about
how their ancestors were enslaved by Islam. No one wants to
claim the victims of jihad. Why won't we claim the
suffering of our ancestors? Why don't we cry about the loss
of cultures and peoples? We are too ashamed to care.

The victim feels helpless: "What are we going to do?" "We
can't kill 1.3 billion people." No one has any
understanding or optimism. No one has an idea of what to
try. The only plan is to "be nicer."

The victim turns the anger inward: What is the most
divisive issue in today's politics? Iraq. And what is Iraq
really about? Political Islam. The Web has a video about
how the CIA and Bush planned and executed September 11.
Cultural self-loathing is the watchword of our
intellectuals and artists.

We hate ourselves because we are mentally molested and
abused. Our intellectuals and artists have responded to the
abuse of jihad just as a sexually abused child or a rape
victim would respond. We are quite intellectually ill and
are failing at our job of clear thinking. We can't look at
our denial.

FP: So summarize for us why it is so crucial for us to
learn the doctrine of political Islam.

Warner: Political Islam has annihilated every culture it
has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for
annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant
it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes
extinct.

We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive.
The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and
persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a
self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant
Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum -- know
the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be
annihilated.

Or put another way: if we do not learn the doctrine of
political Islam, our civilization will be annihilated just
as Egypt's Coptic civilization was annihilated.

Since unbelievers must know the doctrine of political Islam
to survive, CSPI has written all of its books in simple
English. Our books are scholarly, but easy to read. As an
example, anyone who can read a newspaper can pick up A
Simple Koran and read and understand it. It is not "dumbed
down" and contains every single word of the original.

Not only is the language simple, but logic has been used to
sort and categorize. Context and chronology have been
restored. The result is a Koran that is an epic story
ending in triumph over all enemies of Allah. All of our
books and philosophy may be found at our center's website.

http://www.cspipublishing.com/

Islam declares that we are the enemies of Allah. If we do
not learn the political doctrine of Islam we will end up
just like the first victims of Islam -- the tolerant,
polytheist Arabs of Saudi Arabia who became the Wahabbis (a
very strict branch of Islam) of today, the most intolerant
culture on the face of the earth.

FP: Bill Warner, thank you for joining us today.

Warner: Jamie, thank you for your kindness and efforts.

Source: FrontPageMag.com

http://www.socialdailynews.com/2007/11/islam-270-million-bodies-in-1400-years/

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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[ On Jun 6, 9:49=A0am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[ The world needs to be made aware of genocidal acts of
[ Muslims and Islam against Jews, Hindus, the Ottoman
[ Greeks, Armenian Christians, and Africans.
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[ Tears of Jihad
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[ http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/tears-of-jihad/
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[ The world needs to be made aware of the enslavement by
[ Muslims and Islam of Jews, Hindus, white Christians, and
[ black Africans.
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[ The Submission of Women and Slaves in Islam
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[ http://www.amazon.com/The-Submission-Women-Slaves-Editor/dp/0979579406/ref=3Dsr_1_5?s=3Dbooks&ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1337594968&sr=3D1-5
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[ Islam cannot be reformed.
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[ Prophet of Doom
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[ http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
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[ Former Muslims Tell the Truth About Islam
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[ http://www.islam-watch.org/
[ http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Dhanyavaad for your post!

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Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and
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By Nicolai Sennels
Australian Islamist Monitor
Thursday, November 25, 2010 19:05

Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400
years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The
consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have
serious impact on the offspring's intelligence, sanity, health and on
their surroundings

The most famous example of inbreeding is in ancient Egypt, where
several Pharaonic dynasties collapsed after a couple of hundred
years. In order to keep wealth and power within the family, the
Pharaohs often married their own sister or half-sister and after a
handful of generations the offspring were mentally and physically
unfit to rule. Another historical example is the royal houses of
Europe where royal families often married among each other because
tradition did not allow them to marry people of non-royal class.

The high amount of mentally retarded and handicapped royalties
throughout European history shows the unhealthy consequences of this
practice. Luckily, the royal families have now allowed themselves to
marry for love and not just for status.

The Muslim culture still practices inbreeding and has been doing so
for longer than any Egyptian dynasty. This practice also predates the
world's oldest monarchy (the Danish) by 300 years.

A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world
are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between
first cousins (so-called "consanguinity") and in Turkey the amount is
between 25-30 percent (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths
among immigrants"
http://fpn.dk/liv/krop_valvare/article1616165.ece

Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent
of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46
percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia
(southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan,
64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47
percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi
Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in
Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in
Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and
reproductive health among Arabs.).
http://www.reproductive-health-journal.com/content/6/1/17/table/T1

A large part of inbred Muslims are born from parents who are
themselves inbred - which increase the risks of negative mental and
physical consequenses greatly.

The amount of blood related marriages is lower among Muslim
immigrants living in the West. Among Pakistanis living in Denmark the
amount is down to 40 percent and 15 percent among Turkish immigrants
(Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants".).
http://fpn.dk/liv/krop_valvare/article1616165.ece

More than half of Pakistani immigrants living in Britain are
intermarried:

[Caption] Smile twists across Kaled Assoum's face. Lying in his cot,
he gurgles happily as his mother, Randa, tickles his belly and kisses
him on the face. The eight-year-old, pictured above with his
grandmother, was born with severe intellectual and physical
disabilities. He cannot walk, talk, and feeds through a tube in his
stomach. He has the mental capacity of a one-year-old. FROM The Sun-
Herald (Sydney, 28th May, 2006), pages 79-80

The research, conducted by the BBC and broadcast to a shocked nation
on Tuesday, found that at least 55% of the community was married to a
first cousin. This is thought to be linked to the probability that a
British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the
general population to have children with recessive genetic
disorders." (Times of India, 17/11 2005 Ban UK Pakistanis from
marrying cousins).
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1298135,curpg-1.cms

The lower percentages might be because it is difficult to get the
chosen family member to the country, or because health education is
better in the West.

Low intelligence

Several studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have
lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research
shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related
parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower
in inbred babies:

"Effects of parental consanguinity on the cognitive and social
behavior of children have been studied among the Ansari Muslims of
Bhalgapur, Bihar.

IQ in inbred children (8-12 years old) is found to be lower (69 in
rural and 79 in suburban populations) than that of the outbred ones
(79 and 95 respectively). The onset of various social profiles like
visual fixation, social smile, sound seizures, oral expression and
hand-grasping are significantly delayed among the new-born inbred
babies." (Indian National Science Academy, 1983 Consanguinity Effects
on Intelligence Quotient and Neonatal Behaviours of nsari Muslim
Children").
http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/insa/INSA_1/20005bbc_407.pdf

The article "Effects of inbreeding on Raven Matrices" concludes that
"Indian Muslim school boys, ages 13 to 15 years, whose parents are
first cousins, were compared with classmates whose parents are
genetically unrelated on the Raven Standard Progressive Matrices, a
nonverbal test of intelligence. The inbred group scored significantly
lower and had significantly greater variance than the non-inbred
group, both on raw scores and on scores statistically adjusted to
control for age and socioeconomic status." (Behaviour Genetics,
1984).
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j65457u2532t1751/

Another study shows that the risk of having an IQ lower than 70 goes
up 400 percent from 1.2 percent in children from normal parents to
6.2 percent in inbred children: "The data indicate that the risk for
mental retardation in matings of normal parents increases from 0.012
with random matings to 0.062 for first-cousin parentage."
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, 1978 Effect of
inbreeding on IQ and mental retardation").
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC392897/?page=1
The study A study of possible deleterious effects of consanguinity
concludes, that "The occurrence of malignancies, congenital
abnormalities, mental retardation and physical handicap was
significantly higher in offspring of consanguineous than non-
consanguineous marriages."
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119830633/abstract

Mental and physical diseases and death

The risk of stillbirth doubles when parents are first cousins
(Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants).
http://fpn.dk/liv/krop_valvare/article1616165.ece
One study analyzed the risk of perinatal death (the child dies during
its own birth), infant death (child dies while still infant) and
autosomal recessive disorders (serious and often deadly genetic
diseases such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy):

Perinatal mortality in the Pakistani children was 1.5 times higher
than that in the Norwegian children, and infant mortality in the
Pakistani children was more than double that in the Norwegian
children. Deaths due to autosomal recessive disorders were 18 times
more common in the Pakistani children. Similarly, deaths due to
multiple malformations, which may be part of unrecognized autosomal
recessive syndromes, were 10 times more common.

(BMJ, 1994 Infant death and consanguineous marriage.)
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/308/6929/659

There are also evidence suggesting that inbred people has a higher
risk of developing mental disorders: "The clinical observations
indicated that depression is very high in some communities where the
consanguinity of marriages is also high." (Indian Journal of
Psychiatry, 2009 "Relationship between consanguinity and depression
in a south Indian population".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2738415/

Another study focused on the relationship between intermarriage and
schizophrenia: "The closer the blood relative, the more likely was
there to be a schizophrenic illness." (American Psychiatric Press,
1982 The role of genetic factors in the ethiology of the
schizophrenic disorders.
http://books.google.com/books?id=0xHOzXpELE8C&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=%22The+closer+the+blood+relative,+the+more+likely+was+there+to+be+a+schizophrenic+illness.%22&source=bl&ots=bJEwf5BqBA&sig=6MFg24y0Okh6CxsgiMVH9VqJOSQ&hl=en&ei=KidfTO3uFYb-Ob7vvbEP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20closer%20the%20blood%20relative%2C%20the%20more%20likely%20was%20there%20to%20be%20a%20schizophrenic%20illness.%22&f=false

The increased risk of insanity among children of marriages between
cousins might explain why immigrant patients are stressing the
psychiatric system and are strongly overrepresented among insane
criminals: "In Sct. Hans Hospital, which has the biggest ward for
clinically insane criminals in Denmark, more than 40 percent of the
patients have an immigrant background." (Kristeligt Dagblad, 26/6
2007 Ethnic minorities overrepresented among the criminal insane).
http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/255287:Liv---Sjael--Etniske-minoriteter-overrepraesenteret-i-retspsykiatrien?all=1

Implications for the Western and the Muslim World

[Caption] Kaled'd father Mohammed says: "From the beginning I was a
bit sad and she was abased. She started crying but I said in the end
we can't do anything. That's how God created him. Even if we cry from
now on until 100 years, you can't do anything." FROM The Sun-Herald
(Sydney, 28th May, 2006), pages 79-80

The consequences for offspring of consanguineous marriages are
unpleasantly clear: Death, low intelligence or even mental
retardation, handicaps and diseases often leading to a slow and
painful death. Other consequences are:

Limited social skills and understanding, limited ability to manage
education and work procedures and painful treatment procedures. The
negative cognitive consequences also influence the executive
functions. The impairment of concentration and emotional control most
often leads to anti-social behavior.

The economic costs and consequences for society of inbreeding are of
course secondary to the reality of human suffering.

However, inbreeding among Muslims has severe implications for both
the Western societies and the Muslim world.

Expenses related to mentally and physically handicapped Muslim
immigrants drains the budget for other public services: "When cousins
have children together, they are twice as likely to have a disabled
child - it costs municipal funds dearly. Disabled immigrant children
costs Danish municipalities millions. In Copenhagen County alone, the
number of disabled children in the overall increase of 100 percent at
10 years. ... Meredith Lefelt has contacted 330 families with
disabled children in Copenhagen. She estimates that one third of
their clients have a foreign cultural background." (BT, 10/11 2003
Immigrants inbreeding costing one million.
http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/indvandreres-indavl-koster-millioner

On top come the expenses for Muslim immigrants who - because of
different consequences of being born from blood related parents - are
not able to live up to the challenges of our Western work market:
Muslim immigrants and their descendants in Europe have a very high
rate of unemployment.

The same goes for Muslims in USA, where the Gallup Institute made a
study involving 300.000 people concluding "The majority of Muslims in
USA have a lower income, are less educated and have worse jobs than
the population as a whole." (Berlingske Tidende, d. 3. marts 2009:
Muslims thrive in USA.
http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20090303/verden/903030307/

The cognitive consequences of Muslim inbreeding might explain why
non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail
the Danish army's intelligence test than native Danes: "19.3% of non-
Western immigrants are not able to pass the Danish army's
intelligence test. In comparison, only 4.7% of applicants with Danish
background do not pass." (TV 2 Nyhederne, 13/6 2007 Immigrants flunk
army test.
http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7248606.html?ss

It probably also explains - at least partly - why two thirds of all
immigrant school children with Arabic backgrounds are illiterate
after 10 years in the Danish school system: "Those who speak Arabic
with their parents have an extreme tendency to lack reading abilities
- 64 percent are illiterate. ... No matter if it concerns reading
abilities, mathematics or science, the pattern is the same: The
bilingual (largely Muslim) immigrants' skills are exceedingly poor
compared to their Danish classmates." (Rockwool Foundation Research
Unit, May 2007: Ethnic students does not make Danish children worse.
http://www.bkchefer.dk/uploads/File/Rockwoolfonden.pdf

The high expenses on special education for slow learners consumes one
third of the budget for the Danish schools. "Immigrant children are
clearly overrepresented on Copenhagen's schools for retarded children
and children with physical handicaps. ... 51 percent of the children
on the three schools in Copenhagen for children with physical and
mental handicaps har immigrant back ground and on one of the schools
the amount is 70 percent. ... These amounts are significantly higher
than the share of immigrant children in the municipality, which is 33
percent. The many handicapped children are a clear evidence that
there are many intermarried parents in the immigrant families."
(Jydske Vestkysten, 4/4 2009 Tosprogede i overtal på handicapskoler).
http://www.nordjyske.dk/indland/forside.aspx?ctrl=10&data=2%2c3195839%2c5%2c2&count=1

Our high level of education may also make it harder for inbred
students to follow and finish their studies: "Young people with
minority backgrounds have a significantly higher dropout rate at
secondary schools than youth with a Danish background. For trade
school education, the dropout rate among immigrants is 60 percent,
twice as high among adolescents with a Danish background....

There is great variation in educational outcomes when compared with
national origin. For example, dropout among young people with
Lebanese or Iranian background is far greater than among people of
Vietnamese background." (Center for Knowledge on Integration in
Randers, May 2005 "Youth, education and integration"). "Among
immigrant children that are born and raised in Denmark, more than a
third has no education. Among native Danes it is less than one fifth
that do not get an education. (Statistics Denmark: "Indvandrere i
2007".
http://www.dst.dk/publikation.aspx?cid=12444

The negative consequences of inbreeding are also vast for the Muslim
world. Inbreeding may thus explain why only nine Muslims ever managed
to receive the prestigious Nobel Prize (5 of them won the "Peace
Prize" - for peace that turned out not to last for very long).
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14200105/Muslim-Nobel-Prize-Winners

The limited ability to understand, appreciate and produce knowledge
following a limited IQ is probably also partly the reason why Muslim
countries produce 1/10 of the World average when it comes to
scientific research: "In 2003, the world average for production of
articles per million inhabitants was 137, whereas none of the 47 OIC
countries for which there were data achieved production above 107 per
million inhabitants. The OIC average was just 13." (Nature 444, p.
26-27, 1. November 2006 "Islam and science: The data gap".
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7115/full/444026a.html

The lack of interest in science and human development in the Muslim
World is also clear in the UN Arab Human Development Reports (AHDR).
AHDR concludes that there have been fewer books translated into
Arabic in the last thousand years than the amount of books translated
within the country of Spain every year:

"The Arab world translates about 330 books annually, one fifth of the
number that Greece translates. The cumulative total of translated
books since the Caliph Maa'moun's [sic] time (the ninth century) is
about 100,000, almost the average that Spain translates in one year."
(Eugene Rogan "Arab Books and human development". Index of
Censorship, vol. 33, issue 2 April 2004, p. 152-157). "70 percent of
the Turkish citizens never read books." (APA, 23 February 2009").
http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=97615

Conclusion

There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin
marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims.
Because Muslims' religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and
thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their
population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their
prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most
likely massive. The overwhelming direct and indirect human and
societal consequences have been explained above.

Compassion for the health of future generations should be enough to
ban intermarriage among first cousins. The economic and societal
consequences do also count. Such a ban would also lessen Muslim
immigration to the West because many Muslim families would like to be
able to continue their practice of intermarriage in order to live up
to cultural and religious traditions and keep wealth and power inside
their family.

A legislative ban on first cousin marriages is a logical and
compassionate imperative for both the Muslim world, for EU and our
Western national governments.

Nicolai Sennels (Dannish Psychologist who worked for several years
with young criminal Muslims in a Copenhagen prison) - BLOG
http://nicolaisennels.dk/

The above article was originally posted at Europe News
http://europenews.dk/en/node/34368/

More at:
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3910

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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80% OF MOST WANTED CRIMINALS ARE MUSLIMS

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[ Subject: Most wanted in Kolkata
[ From: "G.Subramaniam" <gsub...@comcast.net>
[ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005

80% of these most wanted criminals are muslims

-Subject: Most wanted in Kolkata
-Date: Thursday, February 24, 2005

http://www.kolkatapolice.org/MostWantedList.asp

View Details Name : Sadakat Ali , alias Sadakat, Imran
Wanted In : Murder
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Khurram Khaiyam , alias Abdullah
Wanted In : Murder
Address : 29B, Mofidul Islam Lane, Kol-14
Indentification :

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

View Details Name : Mohammad Amir Reza Khan , alias Muttaqui,
Rajesh
Wanted In : Murder
Address : 38D, Mofidul Islam Lane, Kol-14
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Hassan Imam , alias Hasnu, Zubair Ahmed
Wanted In : Murder
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Monoj Sharma , alias
Wanted In : Murder
Address : C.F-334, Salt Lake City,Kol-64
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Mir Mohammad Omar , alias Omar
Wanted In : Murder
Address : 37, Phears Lane,Kol-12
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Mehmood , alias kalia
Wanted In : Four Wheeler Theft (Receiver)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Ezaz , alias
Wanted In : Four Wheeler Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Hyder , alias
Wanted In : Four Wheeler Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : BAsudev Mahato , alias Basu
Wanted In : Four Wheeler Theft (Receiver)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Amir Nath , alias
Wanted In : Four Wheeler Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Md. Shakeel , alias
Wanted In : Four Wheeler Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Masud Rana , alias Rana Hamid
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Ashraf Dafadar , alias Ashu
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Sanjit Majumder , alias Sanjib Bhai
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Kajal Ghosh , alias Shyama
Wanted In : Motor Cicle Theft (Lifter)
Address :
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Md. Jhantu , alias Md. Hasan
Wanted In : Highly wanted Dacoit.
Address : Vill- Bazarpara, P.O+P.S- Uluberia, Dist- Howrah
Indentification : Cut mark on right eyebrow

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View Details Name : Shah Alam , alias
Wanted In : Highly wanted Bangladesi Daciet associated with Mutia
Group of Burrabazar,Kolkata. Ganged with Rafique, Jhantu, Alamgir.
Address : Rly. Dhar Jhupri(Strand Rd.)Phool Market, Dhobitala
Bustand, Tangra.
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Sabir Alam , alias Ullu Raju
Wanted In : Theft & Murderer
Address : 21 Wellesly 2nd lane,House of Ummar, Wellesly 2ndlane
Indentification : Big Eyes & Cut mark on forehead

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View Details Name : Md. Ekramuddin , alias Jali Munna
Wanted In : Attempt to Murder
Address : 13. Taltala Bazar Street,Kolkata- 700013
Indentification : Left leg broken & cut mark on left Chick,limping
gait

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View Details Name : Bapi Halder , alias Gopal Halder
Wanted In : Drug Deler, Theft & Murder
Address : 23 Panchanantola Road,Kol-29
Indentification : Cut mark on chin

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View Details Name : Shyamal Dey , alias Julie
Wanted In : Extortionist & Murderer
Address :
Indentification : Cut mark on forehead

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View Details Name : Azarul Dalal , alias
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Lifter)
Address : Vill- Hakimpur Uttarpara P.O- Hakimpur, P.S- Swarupnagar,
Dist- 24 Pgs(N)
Indentification : Cut mark on forehead

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View Details Name : Monirul Mistry , alias Pintu
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Lifter)
Address : Vill- Bithari Pwankathi P.o- Bithari P.S- Swarupnagar Dist-
24 Pgs(N)
Indentification : Mole on right chick & tatto mark on right hand

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View Details Name : Hafizul Mondal , alias Khokon
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Receiver)
Address : Vill- Bitnari Pawankathi P.S- Swarupnagar Dist- 24 Pgs(N)
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Mohabbat Mollah , alias
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Lifter)
Address : Vill- Raipur P.O- Dakshin Chatra P.S- Baduria Dist- 24 Pgs
(N),Now taking shelter in Bangladesh
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Atiur Rahman , alias Ati
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft (Receiver)
Address :
Indentification : Cut mark on left chick

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View Details Name : Hazrat Ali Mollah , alias
Wanted In : Motor Cycle Theft(Lifter)
Address : Village-Swarupda Paschimpara,PO+PS-Swarupnagar,Dist-24pgs
(N)
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Md. Akbar , alias
Wanted In : Motor vehicle and pedestrian crimes
Address : Vill.-Mallickpore, H/O Md.Sabir, P.S.-Baruipur, Dist-
24Parganas(S)
Indentification : Cut mark on left eye brow

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View Details Name : Md. Sultan , alias Safdar Ali, Nana
Wanted In : Various crimes including dacoity
Address : Gobra Road, P.S+Dist= Howrah
Indentification : Cut mark on left hand

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View Details Name : Sk. Rafique , alias
Wanted In : Bangladesi active Dacoit in Jorasanko, Posta, Burrabazar
& Hare St. P.S area.
Address : Birsheopore, Vill- Rathtala, P.S. Uluberia, Dist.-Howrah
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Tanqueer Khan , alias
Wanted In : Highly wanted for Dacoity, Robbery in Port area. Now
entering to South Division.
Address : Qtr. No.661,Pakaria Talao, Akra Road, P.S. Metiabruj,
Kolkata-700024
Indentification : Tatto mark on left hand

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View Details Name : Manoj Sharma , alias
Wanted In : Murder
Address : CF-334, Salt Lake City, Kolkata-700064
Indentification :

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View Details Name : Sk. Manowar , alias Mannu
Wanted In : Dacoity, Robbery and Car theft cases. Ex-convict escaped
from Hospital.
Address :
Indentification : Cut mark on nose & Burn mark on right leg.

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View Details Name : Sanjay Prasad Singh , alias Subodh Kr.
Biswakarma
Wanted In : Highly wanted Bank Dacoit. After release jail he
developed his base in Ranchi(Jharkhand)
Address :
Indentification : Cut mark on forehead & Scar mark on right leg.

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View Details Name : Sk. Yunus , alias Yunus Sk.
Wanted In : Highly wanted in Dacoity in Beniapukur, Karaya and
Gariahat P.S. Areas
Address :
Indentification : Cut mark on left hand

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View Details Name : Gopal Tewari , alias
Wanted In : Extortion and Kidnapping for ransom
Address : 80/2, Pathuriaghat Street, Kolkata-700006
Indentification : Cut mark on cheek

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View Details Name : Dipak , alias Dablu Singh
Wanted In : Bihar based Dacoit, responsible for dacoity in offices at
Burrabazar and Patna
Address :
Indentification :

End of forwarded message from "G.Subramaniam" <gsub...@comcast.net>

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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Islam is one of the great evils in the world - Richard Dawkins

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[ Subject: Islam is one of the great evils in the world - Richard Dawkins
[ From: Abdul Iblis <abdulib...@gmail.com>
[ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011

Richard Dawkins: “Islam Is One Of The Great Evils In The World”More
articles by Jonathan Harrell - Written by: Jonathan Harrell

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Dawkins The Great ThinkerRichard Dawkins is one of the most prominent
author and rational thinker. Richard makes point like no other, he is
also the founder of RDF and Out Campaign. Richard has left many
muslims to convert and leave their Islamic faith. Dawkins has
participated in many debates. He also mention Faith Freedom
International in one of his best books “God Delusion.”

The WritingHe is the author of several best selling books and
regularly writes on atheism and debunk creationism. Dawkins’ book God
Delution was a best seller and still one of the best books on atheism.
He is also behind some of the best writings like the blind watchmaker
and the selfish gene, which are my favorite too. Richard also write on
his website richarddawkins.net

His Take On IslamIslam deserves criticism on account of the logical
consequences of its dogma, namely, that the murder of fellow human
beings is to be rewarded with sensual pleasure in a hedonistic
‘Paradise’- a concept born in the fantasies of an Arab rebel some
fourteen centuries ago. The religion of Mohammed is a dangerous system
when the teachings and example of the ‘prophet’ are believed and
followed.

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You really think you can talk a billion Indians into fighting a
billion Muslims?


Bret Cahill


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The following article is by Zulfikar Khan:

The Excessive 'Kindness' Of Islam

Fellow readers, the time has come again to further
explore the most beneficient, most gracious and the most
merciful faith on this earth. What could I be talking
about? Islam of course.

In this article I shall write about how the Muslims have
blessed the whole world with their loot, raid, brutal
torture, plunderings, inhuman rapes, etc. I will also
cite from the Holy Quran [italics end] and the hadiths
which have supported these messengers of the all
"merciful" Allah.

As long as the muslims loot and raid the kafirs(non
believers of Islam), it is completely justified. Ghazzua
is an Arabic word for raid as well as killing and
enslaving the kafirs. From this word the term Ghazi is
derived which means honourable warrior of Islam who has
killed many kafirs.

The distribution of the loot or booty, which includes the
men, women and children, is done as prescribed by the
well defined regulations stated in the Quran and the
hadiths. Four fifths of the loot is to be shared by the
barbaric, lecherous invaders who took part in the heinous
plunderings while one fifth is reserved for the great
Prophet or the Caliph and in their absence to the mullah
who is in charge.

Such loots and raids were considered shameful acts in
Pre-Islamic Arabia. But Mohammed revealed to his
followers that since he was the last prophet for all time
to come such raids were now sanctioned by Allah. Thus he
legalised these inhuman acts of raid, plunder, loot and
rape.

Let us closely examine the pattern that these barbaric
invaders followed all over the world. This pattern is
written down in the Quran; practised, perfected and
prescribed by the prophet in his own life time and
closely followed by the Caliphs later. Even in present
time, this pattern is followed by all Muslim leaders who
aspire for name and fame in this life and houris
(beautiful virgin women) hereafter.

The pattern is:

1 Invade the lands of the infidels.

2 Massacre as many infidel men, women and children as
they like after winning a victory

3 Capture the survivors as slaves and confine the women
in their harems as slave girls

4 Plunder every place and person for war, booty, a fifth
of which (including the slaves) went to the Caliph or
some other religious heads.

5 Demolish the places of worship of the infidels and
build mosques in their places.

6 Defile and desecrate the deities and other symbols of
the infidels' religion by throwing them into public
squares or making into steps leading to the prayer area
of the Muslims.

Let us again start with His Holiness Mohammed himself. In
627 A.D he raided the Jewish tribe of Qurayza. The Jews
were defeated in the fight and many prisoners were taken.
They were either sold or assassinated in the name of
merciful Allah. In one place alone, approximately 800
Jews were beheaded in cold blood. In 629 A.D after the
battle of Khaybar, and the defeat of the Jews, the same
play was enacted. All the Jews were put to the sword. The
raids undertaken by the prophet and methods followed
became the guidelines for the Caliphs and other leaders
who followed him.

Caliph Umar I

The reign of terror by caliph Umar still horrifies the
present day Iranians. They dress themselves up in festive
clothing on the death anniversary of this caliph, even to
this day. Caliph Umar who was also one of the many
father-in-laws of Mohammed, attained leadership of Islam
two years after Mohammed's death. His reign of terror
rocked Iran, Irag, Egypt and Syria. His most dastardly
deed was the destruction of the great library in
Alexandria. His order to Amir Amron ibn al-Ass (rightly
named) is preserved as follows:

"As for the books you mentioned here is my reply. If
their content is in accordance with the book of Allah, we
may do without them, for in that case the book of Allah
more than sufficies. If on the other hand, they contain
matter not in accordance with the book of Allah, there
can be no need to preserve them. Proceed then and destroy
them."

Such brilliance and such logic can only be found in the
followers of all merciful Allah.

The 700,000 scrolls, some of them works a thousand or
more years old, many on Mathematics, science and
philosophy were destroyed. Ibn al-Kifti wrote that, "it
took 6 months to burn all that mass of material."

Where Alexandria lost only one of its precious libraries,
India lost millions of books on Mathematics, Astronomy,
Philosophy and other Sciences of the Vedic and Buddhist
periods. For example, the famous Sanskrit college of
Vishaldev in the capital of Gujrat was destroyed by the
eunuch Qutubuddin Aibak in the year 1196 A.D. The famous
Buddist university of Nalanda had the same fate in the
year 1200 A.D. when Mohammed Bakhtiyar Khilji attacked
the township and massacared the harmless Buddist monks
and violated the nuns. In recent years, the Pakistani
Muslim army attacked the then East Pakistan (now
Bangladesh). 3,000,000 Bengali Hindus were brutally
murdered.The first attack was on Dhaka University. The
women students were not spared. They were raped and
murdered mercilessly.

Khair Ed-Din

In 1516, the Emir of Algiers, Selim Bin Teumin, weary of
Spanish interference sought the aid of Khair Ed-din, a
Turkish sea robber and one of the Barbarossa brothers.
Another brother, Arouj had the Emir assassinated. Khair
Ed-Din was named as Viceroy by Selim I, Sultan of Turkey.


Khair laid siege to the spanish fortress on the island of
Penon and wrested it from Christian hands. Martin Vagas,
the Spanish commander was given the choice between death
or conversion to Islam. He chose the former, whereupon he
was flogged to death, his deadbody dragged through the
street, cut into pieces and thrown into the sea. With the
help of Khair Ed-Din the muslim pirates were secure in
Algiers for three centuries. Ten percent of the booty
went to the Bey of the day. The captives of the Barbary
corsairs were able to ransom themselves if they had money
and many were freed on accepting Islam. The others were
sold like cattle at an auction and many died from fever,
starvation or the lash. Women, however were taken into
harems as concubines of their captors.

One story recorded by a Spanish monk, Haedo, of the
sixteenth century concerns a young Arab. He had been
captured by the Spanish, had embaraced Christianty and
been baptized as Geronimo. He was recaptured in 1569 by
the Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers. When threats
and pleadings failed to make him apostate back to Islam,
Geronimo was condemned to death. Bound hand and foot, he
was thrown into a mould in which a block of concrete was
about to be made and the liquid concrete poured in upon
him. The block containing his body was built into the
FORT OF THE TWENTY FOUR HOURS in Algiers.

Bricking up human beings is a common punishment as
prescribed by the Quran. In India, the children of the
Sikh Gurus were bricked up because they did not accept
Islam. Akbar, the Moughal emperor jealous of his son's
affair with Anarkali had her bricked up as well.

Piali Pasha

In 1560 a Turkish squadron under Piali Pasha and the
corsair Dargut annihilated the Spanish fleet at Tunisia
and took the Spanish fort of Djerba. All 5000 prisoners
were massacred and a huge mound of bones six meters high
was formed. The mound was called Skull Fort and was in
existence for nearly 3 centuries.

Abdul Hamid II

In 1894, the sultan of the Ottoman empire Abdul Hamid
reacted violently against the Armenian Nationalists
living in Eastern Turkey. In Sasun, the Armenians refused
to accept a 100 percent increase in rents. 3000 rebels
were killed, women raped and mutilated and babies bashed
against rocks. The pogrom spread: in Trebizond a 1000 odd
Armenians were killed, in Arabkir 2800, in Urfa 8000,
plus 3000 burnt alive in a Cathedral where they hoped
they would be safe. In August 1896, bands of Turks
patrolled the streets of Constantinople killing over 5000
Armenians. In All, the total toll from 1894 to 1896 is
estimated at 100,000 non combatants killed, 50,000 dead
from starvation, 40,000 forcibly converted to Islam and
100,000 driven into exile.

Fahri Koroturk

Fahri Koroturk was the right wing Muslim President of
Turkey and commander of the armed forces when the
decision was made to invade Cyprus. The number of Turks
on the Island was about 150,000 while 503,000 were Greek.
At 5 A.M, Saturday 20th July 1974 The Turkish army, Navy
and airforce attacked Cyprus. Turkey used weapons given
to it by the United States and NATO, employing the
Quranic injunctions to accept help from the infidels but
to remember that Jihad is the ultimate aim.

"Let Not the believers take for...helpers unbelievers...
Except by way of precaution...But remember the final goal
is to Allah " (III/28)

Prior to the invasion the percentage of the Turks was 18
percent but they demanded an area of northern Cyprus
equal to 38 percent of the whole Island and that the
region be vacated within 24 hours. On the same day, the
second and the more terrifying phase of the Turkish
invasion began. Greek houses and businesses were handed
over to the Turkish Cypriots. Greek villages and towns
were bombed and napalmed indiscriminately. But in cities
with mixed populations, targets were selected; for
example Chrisitan churches, hospitals and schools. The
final toll was 4000 men, women and children dead, 1619
missing. 40 percent of the island, correspoding to 65
percent of the arable land, 60 percent of all its water
resources, 70 percent of its minreal wealth, 70 percent
of its industries and 80 percent of tourist installation
came under the Muslim rule. The Turks brought in new
settlers while 220,000 Greeks had to flee to the south.
In all, one third of the Greek population of Cyprus
became refugees in their own country.

Idi Amin

Idi Amin, a ruthless dictator of Uganda now has asylum in
Saudi Arabia. As a true muslim he hates the Jews. His
support is for his muslim brothers--the Palestinian
terrorists. In 1972 he sent a cable to the United Nations
congratulting the Black September terrorists for the
murder of Israeli sportsmen at the Olympic games in
Munich. In the same cable he praised Hitler for
destroying over six million Jews. On 3rd of July 1976 the
hijacked Flight 139 was diverted to Entebbe airport just
out of Kampala. Amin was sympathetic with the hijackers
and he permitted additional terrorists to reinforce them-
-another sign of a true muslim. His own 80-100 troops at
the scene had their guns trained on the 103 Jewish
passengers in support of the 10 terrorists who threatened
to execute the Jews from dawn, Sunday 4th of July.

He used cunning as well as ruthlessness. Rather than take
on the power of the Roman Catholic Church, he had
Archbishop Luwum killed in a "traffic accident." Apart
from the army, his main organ of suppression was based at
Nakasero which was innocuously named the State Research
Bureau. At Nakasero, some of the tortures were mind-
boggling. People had nails hammered into their skulls,
limbs were broken, flames played onto the skin, broken
soft drink bottles rammed into elbows and knees, sisal
ropes used for slow strangulation, whips, knives, etc.
All these tortures no doubt were derived from the Quran
by this truly devout muslim.

In October 1978 Amin invaded Tanzania. At first his
forces did well, looting, raping and killing as they
went. By January 1979 however the Tanzanian troops,
backed by 2000 anti-Amin Ugandans, crossed the Ugandan
border and all resistance crumbled. After Idi's exit, the
count of the dead and missing people was put at 280,000!

Yasser Arafat

Yasser Arafat is another muslim "saint" who has committed
and is committing horrific crimes as the leader of the
PLO in the name of the all "merciful" Allah. I shall list
down below only a few of the saintly deeds of Yasser and
his PLO troops. But the alert reader should be able to
estimate the extent of their other noble and saintly
deeds.

During World War II some leading Muslims including Haji
Amin al-Husseini worked for the Nazis in Germany, calling
for a Jihad against Britain. Amin was the grand mufti of
Jerusalem and Arafat's uncle. Hitler wanted to barter
some Jews for the return of German nationals but the
muslims convinced him to send 8000 Jewish children to the
death camps instead of to Palestine.

On May 15, 1948 the British withdrew from Palestine and
the state of Israel was declared. Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan
and Syria sent troops in but were unable to dislodge the
Israelis.

With the aid of other Palestinians Yasser Arafat set up a
Fatah, which is Koranic for opening the gates of glory.
Fatah was independent of the Arab states and of ideology.
Its sole aim was to liberate Palestine by armed struggle.
Fatah's first targets were the water projects of Israel.
One bomb exploded killing seven Israelis. By 1966 attacks
had moved to homes and kibbutzim.

On March 18, 1968 a busload of children hit a mine near
Eliat. Two children were killed and twenty seven injured.
When the Israelis retaliated the Palestinians received
help from Jordan and the Israelis had to retreat. Even
though more muslim lives were lost than Jewish, Yasser
claimed it as a victory, the first ever over Israel.
Thousands of new recruits were added to Fatah's fighting
forces. Terror escalated; more bombings took place. 13
people, including some Arabs, were killed when an old
refrigerator exploded in Jerusalem. Another 15 were
killed when an old car exploded in the market place of
Jerusalem.

PLO's and Yasser's saintly deeds continue on to this day.

I can go on and on about the brave deeds of these truly
devout muslims. And I promise to write more on this
matter in my weekly posts. I have not mentioned of the
tortures done in the Islamic Republic of Mauritiana, the
persecution of the Bahais by Iran's Nasiri-Din-Shah, the
well known sickly pig Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, the
atrocities done in Sudan by Sayyid Muhammad Ahmad Ibn
Abdullah, persecution of religious minorities
(particularly Christians) in Egypt by Umar II and Husan
Al Banna, persecution of Assyrian Christians, the plight
of Hindus in Kashmir, India, etc., etc., etc.

Hundreds of books can be written on the atrocities
committed by the Muslims in India on Hindus and
Buddhists--thousands of temples, books, and other
scriptures destroyed, women raped, tortured and murdered,
men boiled, burned, skinned and sawed alive, children cut
into pieces, etc. Yes, these muslims are the proud doers
of these utterly inhuman acts in the name of Allah and
for the 72 houris and 28 young boys they shall receive in
Paradise according to the Quran. In my future postings, I
shall elaborate on these Islamic brutalities committed in
India.

Let us take a look at the few verses from the Quran which
directly support these saintly deeds of the Muslims
detailed above.

Verses from the Koran:

LIX/5-6: "Whatsoever palm trees ye cut down or left
standing on their roots, it was by by Allah's leave, in
order that He might confound the evil-livers. And that
which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them,
ye urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake
thereof, but Allah giveth His messenger lordship over
whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things."

The above verse clearly states that the followers of
Allah should cut down the palm trees as they provide
shelter and food to the kafirs. In these verses, note the
insidious way in which Mohammed has hidden the real
meaning of the words. First Allah says that don't take
away the camels and horses of the conquered, but the
sentence that follows immediately after this contradicts
Allah's "mercy". Because Allah gives the Muslim Invader
complete rights over the conquered, so he is free to
kill, eat, abuse and maim the animals or the people who
have been made captive.

XLVIII/20-21: "Allah promiseth you much booty that ye
will capture, and hath given you this in advance, and
hath withheld men's hands from you, that it may be a
token for the believers, and that He may guide you on a
right path. And other (gain), which ye have not been able
to achieve, Allah will compass it. Allah is able to do
all things."

In the above verse, Allah is bribing the believers to
make wars with the Kafirs. He promises them a lot of
booty which they will gain from these wars. He has also
said that He will magically stop the kafirs from striking
back and He will guide the believers on the right path
(the path of killing, plundering, looting and raping).

VIII/41: "And know that whatever ye take as spoils of
war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the
messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans
and the needy and the wayfarer, if ye believe in Allah
and that which we revealed unto Our slave on the Day of
Discrimination, the day when the two armies met. And
Allah is able to do all things."

Here we see another case of bribery by Allah. Four fifths
of the loot goes to invaders and the remaining one fifth
goes to Mohammed or the Caliphs or any other Muslim
leaders in their absence. Here Allah tries to bring out
His kindness again by telling the Muslims to give to the
poor. And how much do the poor get? They get from the one
fifth of the loot and only after Mohammed and other
religious leaders have taken their share. And don't
forget where this loot is coming from--Killing and
murdering the kafirs. What a genuine Robin Hood Allah
is!!!

VIII/65: "O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If
there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two
hundred, and if there be of you a hundred stedfast they
shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve,
because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without
intelligence."

The above verse is self explanatory. It clearly orders
the Muslim to kill the non believers. It also clearly
says that anyone who doesn't believe in Islam has no
intelligence!

VIII/67-69: "It is not for any Prophet to have captives
until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the
lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the
Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Had it not been for
the ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful
doom had come upon you on account of what ye took. Now
enjoy what ye have won, as lawful and good, and keep your
duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Here Allah is clearly instructing the Prophet that hold
no prisoners, kill them all as they are criminals for not
believing in Allah. The Prophet must do these deeds
because Allah desires that the muslims enjoy the Houris
and young boys in Jannat (Heaven). The above verses were
revealed when the prophet had decided to spare the lives
of the prisoners taken at Badr and hold them to ransom,
against the wish of Umar who would have executed them for
their past crime. The prophet took the verses as a
reproof, and they are generally understood to mean that
no mercy ought to have been given in that first battle.
Such is the nature of the all merciful Allah !!

VIII/73: And those who disbelieve are protectors one of
another. -If ye do not so, there will be confusion in the
land, and great corruption."

VIII/12: "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I
am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will
throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then
maim them in every limb and smite of them each finger."

The above verse clearly depicts how Allah prescribes the
Muslims to torture and kill.

IX/5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the
idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive),
and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But
if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-
due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful."

This verse clealry says that Muslims should try to
convert non-muslims forcibly. If they are unable to do
so, then they should either kill the kafirs or make their
lives miserable.

IX/73: "Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and
the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode
is hell, a hapless journey's end."

LXIX/30-37: "(It will be said): Take him and fetter him
and then expose him to hell-fire And then insert him in a
chain whereof the length is 70 cubits. Lo! he used not to
believe in allah the Tremendous, And urged not on the
feeding of the wretched, Therefore hath he no lover here
this day, Nor any food save filth Which none but sinners
eat."

This verse describes the recipe for torture as revealed
by Allah. This recipe was applied in India when the Sikh
Gurus were murdered. It was also applied elsewhere in the
world as I have mentioned above in this article.

V/33-34: "The only reward of those who make war upon
Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in
the land will be that they will be killed or crucified,
or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off,
or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their
degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs
will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye
overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving,
merciful."

This verse gives Muslims another recipe for torture. Here
Allah has taken care of the details in the procedure.

XXII/19-22: "These twain (the believers and the
disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concering
their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of
fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be
poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their
bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for
them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish,
they would go forth from thence they are driven back
therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of
burning."

Yet another recipe for torture !! Need I say more ?

LXXVI/4: "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers manacles
and carcans and a raging fire."

Quotes From The Hadiths:

Sahih Al Bukhari, 216:"I have been ordered to fight
against people until they testify that there is no God
but Allah & that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah &
until he performs the prayers & pays the Zakat."

The quote above clearly states that Allah has ordered the
Prophet to torture the Kafirs until they submit to Islam.
And by ordering Muhammad he is ordering each and every
muslim to do so as Mohammed is the true model which every
muslim must strive for.

Sahih Muslim, 217: "Verily Allah has prescribed
proficiency in all things. Thus if you kill, KILL WELL, &
if you slaughter, SLAUGHTER WELL. Let each one of you
sharpen his blade."

Need I explain the above quote??

The above Quranic verses and quotes from Hadiths have
clearly shown us once again that Islam is a religion for
mindless, empty headed barbarians who are interested in
nothing but money,power,sex & destruction. What I am
trying to get across here is that the foundation of Islam
(Quran itself) was deviously brought into existence by
Mohammed and company, so that heinous acts like rape,
plunder, loot, toruture, and murder are justifiable. One
sees evidence of this not only in History, but in present
time as well.

Note: Works of Robert E. Burns and A. Ghosh have been
used in this article.

The above article is by Zulfikar Khan.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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