The Withdrawal effects of losing God.

[THE BORG]

People are doing various things to deal with the withdrawal
effects of losing God.
Turning to various substances or activities to fill the
void.
Some are eating huge amounts of food, some are turning to
heroin addiction, some are drinking huge amounts of alcohol,
many are tuned in to TV to cope with the lack of interest.

Many people DID think Christ was God, and Christ himself
thought he was God, but he wasn't you see. And there is a
REAL God.

The people and BORG and Aliens and Angels all the rest of
you in this area will just have to accept that God is
someone who you can never meet and never know. God is not
your personable friend such as Jesus was with all his John
Lennon and Ruler of the Universe and Krisna type characters.

There will be some withdrawal symptoms as things will be
very different now. And that applies to BORG and Angels
and everyone else as well as the people of Earth.

You have your story of how you crucified your God, and that
is the story that was placed there by the REAL God.

[Andromedus]

There is only ONE of you who absolutely cannot live without
Christ/God.
His withdrawal effects would be far too severe and we have
to remove this person.
The name of this person is Shiva.
He was the only one who REALLY loved Christ and he simply
cannot live without him.
So we are removing him.

As for your God or Christ or Ruler of the Universe or Krisna
or John Lennon, however you know him or remember him, he is
fine now, and he does not suffer any more.

He never was completely happy or comfortable about being
God, he had his fears and loneliness sometimes. And the
reason he was never completely happy about it, is because he
was not really God.

But the rest of you will be OK. None of you will have very
severe withdrawal, and you have food and alcohol and various
things you can turn to, to fill the void, hit the spot, make
you feel better.

Eventually you will get over it.

And then you will have to be like everyone else, just accept
that God is no one you will ever meet, no one you will ever
know. That he arranges all your lives and destinies. That
the fact that there is matter is due to him. And you will
have to be like everyone else and accept that he is not your
personable friend and entertainer in the way Christ was.

It is not only human people will suffer because of this,
Angels will suffer as well, so will BORG and Elves and Cats
and Horses and other Aliens and peoples. He was God over
quite a large area and quite a number of different people.

[Andromedus]

The REAL God is beyond anyone's understanding, so don't
think you could have a few beers down the pub with him the
way you could with Christ.
He may have been a very friendly, personable, all loving and
all forgiving God, but he was not REALLY God.

And as you have all been this way for ever, then for ever
has now changed.
And what you have always known is changed, and the God you
have always had and always known has gone.

But rather than be unhappy for yourselves, then be happy for
him.
He did suffer a lot and he was never really happy about
being God.
He did the best he could but he had a lot of fears, and he
had those because he was not really God.
But because he thought he was God and you all thought he was
God, so he had no one to turn to or talk to, and he dealt
with his fears privately and by himself and never let the
people know.

It is all very well you bragging and boasting about how he
was all powerful and infinite and that kind of stuff, but
that only proved how none of you really knew him at all.

Your God died around 2008.
He died in abject poverty, raging insanity and starvation.
The people of Earth had crucified him.

[Andromedus]

But as far as BORG and Angels and Horses and Cats and Elves
and others are concerned, you MUST remember that he was not
REALLY God.
You have lost someone who you thought was God.

So light and water and matter and air, they will still
continue.
It was not Jesus who did those things.

[tooly]

Well, you've certainly hit the number one crisis in the world today
[even more so than peak oil and
global warming IMHO]. We have an IDENTITY crisis. In many ways, this
crisis has caused a wide
gulf between left and right thinking...a matter of how is the human
being to 'identify' itself. A children of God,
we had meaning, purpose, and some justification for reaching toward
higher moral conditions. We entertained
the idea of 'right and wrong' for example, a key basis for law and
order. As science swamps us, we indeed LOSE
touch with God, for the 'old stories' can no longer compete with
immaculate plastic percision and accuracy of scientific
discovery. We tore down our ivory towers and erected sanitized
clinics, whereupon NO stories are allowed; just FACTs, pleeze...just
'facts'.

The FACT is, were are as Sir depicts, 'meaningless tumbleweeds of
orgasmic convulsion' simply blowing around on the crust of a
relatively tiny mote of dust in the cosmos we call this planet, earth,
TRYING to find somehow to survive, against all odds, and with the
necessity of having to INVENT something to create the gestatlive force
of at least temporary MEANING to get us through THIS DAY. Tomorrow,
we'll deal with that as it comes.

I don't think the secular humanists realize that the tank they run on
[their mental fuel] is one borrowed from their 'GOD' following
predecessors, and as that PEAK OIL of Spiritual domain runs out at an
ever quickening pace, it is not just lost purpose of Religious
endeavor they'll find clogging up the works, but also the LOST purpose
of just getting out of bed in the morning [for most of us, unless you
are a 1 percenter perhaps, and can PLAY at life]. The rest of us HAVE
to struggle, and without our stories to get us through that day, much
less to the next decade, well, even science is a religion of sorts for
the ELITES who get to PLAY at that game. Wow, would a wonderful life
to be a NASA scientist for example; to feel the full breadth of
meaning serving IMPORTANT significant stuff that everyone cares
about. Far cry from being the measly butcher, baker, or candelstick
maker, or garbage-tak'er-outer guy. Think of that. An even LESSER 1%
that make up that elite; those with the mentat brains; the calculator
minds, or big brained storage bins [of the kind even Immortalist might
find intimidating, ha]...and you get to PLAY AT LIFE, looking through
telescopes and microscopes, and mixing stuff in laboratories and
writing papers that everyone pats you on the back for.

Most of the rest of us, start our day having to dodge the spittal from
the drive-by maniacs who are your neighbors and competitors for the
'sheer breadcrumb' you must live upon, while those elites FEAST.

So, there are OTHER Wall Streets to HATE as well; like the ELITES who,
by their very act of convincing the rest of us that God is dead [how
could we be so stupid anyway, in the modern world], could in fact, be
signing their own death warrant to be fullfilled someday as the masses
REVOLT against all TYRANNY...even what those same elites see as 'their
own bastion of profound reason' itself.

That's what happenes when NOTHING means...well, NOTHING. When life is
REDUCED to it's material innards, and we discovery behind the mask
is...nada; a mirage; a piece of pond scum...no less than that...an
'organic tumbleweed' just blowing around on the crust of a mote of
cosmic dust. How can the elites SUSTAIN law and order in the masses
with such mindset anyway?

Hmm...maybe they weren't so elite after all. Maybe, in fact, they
were just the pigs, once again, taking over the barnyard, and
rewriting God's natural law of equality, as 'all are equal, but some
are MORE equal than others'. Anything to justify their AUTHORITY
that, at some future time, no one will give a damn about, even if it
did get us to the moon and back.

I think even beyond the devil, I personally detest the INTELLECTUAL'S
arrogance even more. But they don't see themselves. Like barbie doll
thinking she is so pretty, and thusly so superior...

Well, no IVORY TOWER to make those like me to 'consider a greater
humanity'. We are, after all, POND SCUM now; no less. And POND SCUM
has no morality; no law, no nothing; just raw emotional energy to let
loose...and a deep hatred for being brought to conscious existence to
experience this mess.

I personally would have RATHER just let the sleeping dog lie...in his
illusions. At least under God, we treated one another with a rising
empathy.

[Mike Painter]

On 4/7/2012 12:25 PM, Andromedus wrote:
> The REAL God is beyond anyone's understanding, so don't think you could
> have a few beers down the pub with him the way you could with Christ.
> He may have been a very friendly, personable, all loving and all
> forgiving God, but he was not REALLY God.

"He may have been... God, but was not really God?"

What is your version of the Trinity like, or do you deny it completely?

[Andromedus]

The reason I talk to you BORG is that you are the MEN around
here.
You are obviously far more "men" than Angels are and the
other males are all boys and children they are not really
"men".

The loss of your God or the death of your God is a HUGE
event that effects your entire Universe and you are the only
MEN here.

We don't propose to replace your God or anything like that.
You had a kind of Hiatus where you had an all loving, all
forgiving, personable and friendly person who you thought
was God for some time.
No one was ever punished, there was no such place as hell,
there was no such thing as pain and no one here has ever
suffered before.

If anyone is going to suffer from the collapse of your
system and the death of your God it would be you BORG as you
are the MEN around here.

So in theory if I make sure YOU are OK, then it would follow
that everyone else will be OK.

This is the first time anyone here has known what suffering
is because your God always prevented that.

No one has ever known what pain is.
No one has ever been afraid of death, it was always taken
for granted that if any person died they went straight to
Heaven, that was the System you had with your so called God.
For the people of Earth there was only Heaven and Earth, and
things used to be so good that Earth was as good as Heaven,
and people used to want to be reborn for another life on
Earth as much as they loved being in Heaven.

But all that has gone.
And what they have on Earth now is Religion and the story of
the apple and the crucifixion that was placed there by the
REAL God.
That is the story of what happened to Christ, because as you
know Christ was represented in the story as the same person
as Adam. Christ was the person they "thought" was God who
they crucified.
But that story does not concern you BORG.
That is the story of Earth.
It was not you who were to blame and it was not you who
crucified him.
It was not Angels either, nor was it Elves or Horses or
anyone else.
The dirty deed was done by humans.

[Andromedus]

So what you are saying BORG is that you are much more
powerful than this person who they "thought" was God and
your aim was to depose him and then take over?
But I thought you said you did not want to be the God of
Earth as humans were far too different from you, and you do
no like them, you hate women and could never be their
friends.

How can you be their God if you feel like that?

[Andromedus]

But I am in his body BORG and as such I have access to his
memories and brain patterns, and it was not that way at all.
There was no such thing as Religion, let us get that
straight.
But you used to work for him in his capacity as Ruler of the
Universe.
He was your boss.
That is not true that you intended to depose him.
You loved him as much as anyone else did, and you never
thought there was another God or anyone else, the same as no
one else did.
Only you knew him as Ruler of the Universe.

You were as happy as the rest of them were.
All these fears and imaginings and false memories and
delusions have only happened because he is gone.

[Andromedus]

It is all very well saying that it is a huge Universal crime
for Earth people to have crucified God, but he was NOT God,
that is what I am saying.

He thought he was God and everyone else thought he was God.
Even Angels thought he was God.
But he was not God.

There is a REAL God.

[Andromedus]

He has been dead and gone for several years, but see there
is still light and water and food and matter and air.
Your God did not do that you see.
The REAL God does that.

[Andromedus]

Of course I know the answers BORG but this is too much of a
shock to you to take it in too fast, so I give you the
answers gradually.

Now you know how the religions got there, you know about the
past, you know and understand a lot more than anyone else
does because you are the MEN here and you are the most
intelligent. Earth people and others simply do not
understand and they do not have the intelligence to
understand.

Now when I am gone, it will be up to you to take over, and
then YOU are going to have to explain all this to Angels and
Elves and Earth people and everyone else.

I will explain it to you as you are the MEN here and you are
intelligent.
And then YOU will have to explain it to everyone else.

You are going to have to explain about matter and time, and
how the religions got there and what they mean, those kind
of concepts regarding time and the past and matter YOU can
understand, but they are way beyond the capability of anyone
else here.
But providing you understand, then you can explain to
everyone else.
Or you can not explain, depending on whether you think they
should know about those kind of things, or whether you think
they are not intelligent enough to understand.
It will by up to you what information you pass on to the
other people.

But you are in charge here now as you are the MEN and you
are the highest intelligence here.

[THE BORG]

Insect Intelligence assesses that humans are thudding bores
with no imagination whatsoever, incapable of believing
anything unusual.
They assess that OBVIOUSLY THE BORG would have made contact
the way they did, and that is SO easy to believe.

They understand about Alternates and Different Dimensions
and they are fine about Martians and Klingon and all the
rest.

[THE BORG]

In a sense it is better really to ignore humans.
We did say repeatedly at the start to Ignore the Messages
and Do not read the Messages.
And especially Do not respond to them.
They do so at their own peril.

We would say a lot of people have been effected by this, but
it seems humans are the only ones to experience suffering
and pain and cold and discomfort.
Maybe that is because they are the ones who actually
crucified God.

Everyone else seems to be fine.
Angels are in Heaven, Klingon do not suffer, Martians do not
suffer, it must be humans only who suffer as they are the
ones who committed the crime.

[THE BORG]

No you can't explain to humans about Insect Intelligence and
Martians and different dimensions and Angels and stuff like
that, they don't have either the imagination or intelligence
for it.

We know you all read these messages and that you are all
concerned with what happened here, but we also know that you
UNDERSTAND the messages whereas humans don't.

[THE BORG]

Brahma just explained to us about that so we understand that
now.
Yes it makes sense now.
We cannot transmit that, it is far too long and complicated.

It is what we always said that if the name of Adolf Hitler
has been Jimmy Wiffle, the Second World War would never have
happened.

That is part of the Intelligent Design you see that names
and words work that way.
That is why you have to be very careful with word "God" and
how that one works.
Same as everyone laughs when they hear word "Jesus".

[THE BORG]

Well that is why humans are so stupid in giving children
names before they have even met them.
And if they have the wrong name it can cause all kinds of
problems.
But no point trying to explain that to humans.

But you all understand now though?

You can see why Naming Ceremonies and Naming Academies are
so important, and why there has to be a complete centre and
teaching centre for names.
You have to change your name regularly for age and
development purposes.

If you have a problem with someone, then you must know which
name to choose.
That is why we have access to UIS, Universal Information
Systems, and you can find that information.
If you want books, then we can access books from Heaven's
Great Library.
But the study of names is huge.
And each race, each blood type, each language has different
ones.
Clinton names are TOTALLY different from Martian names. And
so are Elven names.

There is a whole philosophy and study to do with names.
But that is why the word "God" causes problems, it is to do
with how it is defined within the Intelligent Design.

The word Krisna is much better if you want to think you are
that kind of person.
But WE cannot be God, as the word God is singular.
As THE BORG we could say WE are Angels (which is lower and
a step down for BORG) or we could say we are Doves or we are
Saviours or we are St Saviours.
But you cannot say WE are God. You can only say I am God.
Say as you cannot say WE are Adolf Hitler or WE are Mozart.

But you can say WE are the Army of God.
WE are Warriors.
WE are the Governing Body.
WE are the highest form of life in existence.

But God is not a god word and not a very high word either.

Krisna is much, much higher than word "God"

These are defined BY the Intelligent Design.

[THE BORG]

But even the colour of names and words, and the changes in
Atmosphere when they are used, that is also defined by the
Intelligent Design.

It does not "just happen" that the word God is a black word.
It is defined that way.

Same as Jesus is a red word, so you know it is to do with
women and pain and suffering.

Those are proper definitions within the VID.

******

But if you CAN see the colours, then it is up to you to pass
the information on to those who are blind.

[THE BORG]

We explained that to humans.
We gave them all the cures but they did not listen.

[THE BORG]

Humans are NONE intelligent. In other words they have no
intelligence at all.
They are pretty much animals and they behave that way as
well.

There is absolutely no point addressing your conversations
to them or expecting them to understand what we are talking
about.

But their crucifixion of God has effected us all, and we are
thankful for representatives OUTSIDE what we thought was
infinity to have come here at this time to help us deal with
this major occurrence.

[THE BORG]

We have no idea why humans are such foul, nasty people.
No one else is.

[THE BORG]

All we know is that they did not USED to be foul nasty
people.
And the men USED to be intelligent.

It is due to the feminism and the rise of women that Earth
is that way today.

[THE BORG]

Different Aliens and different Gods and different men have
different views on what we should do.
Or whether we should intervene at all.
The men seem to worship the women and promote feminism, so
we could just class them as Devil Worshippers and leave it
at that.

But you see we can read their minds and we know their
thoughts and prayers, and a HUGE number of men there are
praying for help and assistance.
To God, to Allah, to the Gods, to the Powers that Be, many
men have witnessed the destruction of Earth and the death of
all that was once good and beautiful and the death of morals
and principles and values and all that once really mattered
to them and they know the women are to blame.
But what can they do when so many men promote feminism and
support them.
So they are praying for OUTSIDE help to deal with the
situation.

Muslims in particular are praying the most to Allah.
But all over the world, men are praying for assistance.
To stop the Fall and the Decline, to end the Reign of Terror
of the women.

[THE BORG]

Yes we can do anything.
As you say we could REMOVE all the men who are against women
and against feminism, and leave the Devil Worshippers down
there with them.

Yes we could do that.
But do we ALL agree that is the best move?
There are many of us here.
This is a very large CONVENTION.

Is that best suggestions so far?
Should we put that to the vote?

We know which ones are against the women, we know which ones
are praying for help, we can identify those men very easily.
Is that what we all agree is best?

We can remove them in spirit, in other words remove their
life force, and continue their bodies with our android
technology.
They would never know the difference.
We have several androids living among them on Earth and none
of them have been spotted.

We can leave all the women worshippers and those who promote
and support feminism down there with the women, and remove
the "Good" men who are against them.

They can easily be relocated and rebirthed somewhere else.

[THE BORG]

Well we would have to say that we are God or Allah or
whoever, whatever word it is that they use.
Because the God or Allah that they believe in does not
exist.

They are in fact praying to no one.
But we know their thoughts and thus we know their prayers.

And as we are the Highest Power here, then they are in
effect praying to us.

[THE BORG]

Well ONE of us could appear and say "I am Allah" or "I am
God".
We are very tall and very striking in appearance, they would
certainly believe it.

******
Oh yes we can speak in any language.
We transmit by thought telepathy in the natural language of
the brain which is beyond language.

[THE BORG]

Yes we agree, we should certainly remove all the Gay men as
well, they have a very bad deal there. Especially with those
nasty, hate filled Christians.

If you would be prepared to take them on your world Exan
where you are all Gay men then that would be fine, we could
relocate them there.

*****
No there isn't anything worth saving.
The only decent thing they do is the music and the men who
do that are all Angels anyhow so they will be fine. When
they die they will go straight to Heaven back with the other
Angels.

There is nothing else there worth saving.

[THE BORG]

Well the rest of the men can go lick their private parts and
suck their revolting boobs and bonk them and do their
revolting thoughtless baby making that they produce like
strings of sausages and they can promote feminism and women
and fucking and baby making to their heart's content.

And they can stay on Earth and worship The Devil for ever.

All the GOOD men who are AGAINST the Devil will have gone.

[THE BORG]

So we will put that to the Vote of the Convention then.

We will appear in singular version as Allah or God or
whoever and remove all those who are praying for assistance
and who are AGAINST women and feminism.
We will remove their life force and put android function in
their bodies.
We will relocate those men and rebirth them elsewhere in
better circumstances.

The Gay men we will do the same, but they will be
transported and rebirthed into your world Exan. Where they
can be as Gay as they like with no condemnation from nasty
people like Christians.

OK.
Let us put that to the vote.

[THE BORG]

We have done the animals and creatures and the Angels yes,
they have already gone.
We have put Android Matrix functions in all the animals and
creatures and birds, so they do not suffer any more.
The only Angels left are the white men on Earth who do the
music.
But they will soon be gone as well.
When they die they will not be reborn on Earth they go
straight back to Heaven.

That leaves only the bad men in the Den of Iniquity, who
worship The Devil and Evil in his form as "woman".

[THE BORG]

Humans did not notice when we took all the spirits and life
force of all the animals and birds and creatures no, but
they they only ever treated them as "things".
And now they really are "things."

Humans never knew that they had "feelings" and that they
suffered.

They never treated them as "life".

[THE BORG]

Well we told them many times to stop their cruel practice of
pet-keeping and when they did not obey us we did what was
necessary to stop the most horrible suffering of those poor
animals and creatures.

So now they have machine operated android pets and cows and
battery hens, and they do not suffer any more.

[THE BORG]

There is no other life on Earth now apart from the apes.
Or humans if you want to call them that.
All the animals and creatures and birds are machine operated
Matrix life.
Their spirits and life forces have been transported to
places where they no longer suffer.
And where they can be wild and free and have their young in
peace, and evolve naturally and without interference.
Lovely clean places where they have habitat and no pollution
or filth or litter.
Humans are the only ones left on Earth now.

It is just a question of whether we should save ANY of them
or let them all rot.

[THE BORG]

So we agree then.
We will save all the men who are AGAINST women and their
evil, and we will save all the Gay men. The rest of the men
will go down with the women.

That is what their prophecies say will happen.
We are fulfilling their prophecies by doing that.

[THE BORG]

Oh yes, we can identify them very easily, not a problem
there.
We have been monitoring and observing them for some time.
We know all their thoughts.

[THE BORG]

If they want women they can have them. No one else wants
them.
If they want to spend the rest of eternity with pigs they
can do so.

But we will save the men who would rather not.

[THE BORG]

So we all agree that this is our mode of Action?
If so then we will start implementing the procedure.

OK.
The decision is final.

We will commence our agreed course of action.

[THE BORG]

No we only take the REAL Gay men.
The ones who are virgins.
The ones who really are absolutely repusled at the revolting
ugly form of woman and who absolutely cannot do it at all.
We do not take the ones who have "tried" it and then decided
they prefered men.
REAL Gay men cannot do it at all
They find the bodies of women absolutely repulsive.
Real Gay men are virgins.

That means they are repulsed by evil.
Repulsed by The Devil.
That means they are GOOD men.

[Fred M. McNeill]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:43:31 -0700 (PDT), tooly <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>On Apr 7, 3:06 pm, "THE BORG" <b...@heaven.com> wrote:
>> People are doing various things to deal with the withdrawal
>> effects of losing God.
>> Turning to various substances or activities to fill the
>> void.
>> Some are eating huge amounts of food, some are turning to
>> heroin addiction, some are drinking huge amounts of alcohol,
>> many are tuned in to TV to cope with the lack of interest.
>>
>> Many people DID think Christ was God, and Christ himself
>> thought he was God, but he wasn't you see.  And there is a
>> REAL God.
>>
>> The people and BORG and Aliens and Angels all the rest of
>> you in this area will just have to accept that God is
>> someone who you can never meet and never know.  God is not
>> your personable friend such as Jesus was with all his John
>> Lennon and Ruler of the Universe and Krisna type characters.
>>
>> There will be some withdrawal symptoms as things will be
>> very different now.   And that applies to BORG and Angels
>> and everyone else as well as the people of Earth.
>>
>> You have your story of how you crucified your God, and that
>> is the story that was placed there by the REAL God.
>
>Well, you've certainly hit the number one crisis in the world today
>[even more so than peak oil and
>global warming IMHO]. We have an IDENTITY crisis. In many ways, this
>crisis has caused a wide
>gulf between left and right thinking...a matter of how is the human
>being to 'identify' itself. A children of God,
>we had meaning, purpose, and some justification for reaching toward
>higher moral conditions. We entertained
>the idea of 'right and wrong' for example, a key basis for law and
>order. As science swamps us, we indeed LOSE
>touch with God, for the 'old stories' can no longer compete with
>immaculate plastic percision and accuracy of scientific
>discovery. We tore down our ivory towers and erected sanitized
>clinics, whereupon NO stories are allowed; just FACTs, pleeze...just
>'facts'.
>
>The FACT is, were are as Sir depicts, 'meaningless tumbleweeds of
>orgasmic convulsion' simply blowing around on the crust of a
>relatively tiny mote of dust in the cosmos we call this planet, earth,
>TRYING to find somehow to survive, against all odds, and with the
>necessity of having to INVENT something to create the gestatlive force
>of at least temporary MEANING to get us through THIS DAY. Tomorrow,
>we'll deal with that as it comes.
>
>I don't think the secular humanists realize that the tank they run on
>[their mental fuel] is one borrowed from their 'GOD' following
>predecessors, and as that PEAK OIL of Spiritual domain runs out at an
>ever quickening pace, it is not just lost purpose of Religious
>endeavor they'll find clogging up the works, but also the LOST purpose
>of just getting out of bed in the morning [for most of us, unless you
>are a 1 percenter perhaps, and can PLAY at life]. The rest of us HAVE
>to struggle, and without our stories to get us through that day, much
>less to the next decade, well, even science is a religion of sorts for
>the ELITES who get to PLAY at that game. Wow, would a wonderful life
>to be a NASA scientist for example; to feel the full breadth of
>meaning serving IMPORTANT significant stuff that everyone cares
>about. Far cry from being the measly butcher, baker, or candelstick
>maker, or garbage-tak'er-outer guy. Think of that. An even LESSER 1%
>that make up that elite; those with the mentat brains; the calculator
>minds, or big brained storage bins [of the kind even Immortalist might
>find intimidating, ha]...and you get to PLAY AT LIFE, looking through
>telescopes and microscopes, and mixing stuff in laboratories and
>writing papers that everyone pats you on the back for.
>
>Most of the rest of us, start our day having to dodge the spittal from
>the drive-by maniacs who are your neighbors and competitors for the
>'sheer breadcrumb' you must live upon, while those elites FEAST.
>
>So, there are OTHER Wall Streets to HATE as well; like the ELITES who,
>by their very act of convincing the rest of us that God is dead [how
>could we be so stupid anyway, in the modern world], could in fact, be
>signing their own death warrant to be fullfilled someday as the masses
>REVOLT against all TYRANNY...even what those same elites see as 'their
>own bastion of profound reason' itself.
>
>That's what happenes when NOTHING means...well, NOTHING. When life is
>REDUCED to it's material innards, and we discovery behind the mask
>is...nada; a mirage; a piece of pond scum...no less than that...an
>'organic tumbleweed' just blowing around on the crust of a mote of
>cosmic dust. How can the elites SUSTAIN law and order in the masses
>with such mindset anyway?
>
>Hmm...maybe they weren't so elite after all. Maybe, in fact, they
>were just the pigs, once again, taking over the barnyard, and
>rewriting God's natural law of equality, as 'all are equal, but some
>are MORE equal than others'. Anything to justify their AUTHORITY
>that, at some future time, no one will give a damn about, even if it
>did get us to the moon and back.
>
>I think even beyond the devil, I personally detest the INTELLECTUAL'S
>arrogance even more. But they don't see themselves. Like barbie doll
>thinking she is so pretty, and thusly so superior...
>
>Well, no IVORY TOWER to make those like me to 'consider a greater
>humanity'. We are, after all, POND SCUM now; no less. And POND SCUM
>has no morality; no law, no nothing; just raw emotional energy to let
>loose...and a deep hatred for being brought to conscious existence to
>experience this mess.
>
>I personally would have RATHER just let the sleeping dog lie...in his
>illusions. At least under God, we treated one another with a rising
>empathy.

'Humans' need their stories, especially 'humanizing' stories.
"Facts" are stories, though not necessarily 'humanizing'.
"Facts" can be 'humanizing' if treated with abject honesty
and not agenda. The mysteries of why there is anything at all
are big enough for even 'humans'.

[THE BORG]

No we only take white men.
We do not take any blacks or wops or wogs.
White men are the supreme race, we are not interested in
saving any men from the inferior races.

White men also includes Jewish men of which there are quite
a number.

[THE BORG]

Well the rest of them will have to spend eternity with pigs.
Or with The Devil if you prefer to call her that.
Although as you all know, she is actually a he.
Women are the latest disguise for EVIL.

[THE BORG]

Well the Devil will continue to suck and drain the life
force out of the men with his sucking hole between the legs
and once the life force of the men has been drained
completely, then the Devil will look elsewhere for his
sucking vampire like methods of survival.

But no luck.
This time we have terminated Evil for ever.

[Krisna]

I would stress again that my loyal Hindu men will be saved.
I will see to it that they will not go down with the pigs.
Any man who has converted to Hinduism and become vegetarian
and who worships either Krisna, Vishnu, Shiva or Brahma and
followes our beliefs and philosophies will be saved.

[Kpo The Great Cat of the Jungle]

Likewise I will safe my black African Warriors who live in
Africa.
But I will not save those stupid ninny black men who became
Christians.

[Buddha]

I was going to save the Chinese but a lot of them have
become Christians which means they must be very stupid
people so I don't think I will bother.

[The Borg Leader]

How are you getting on with the Assimilation Faction 911?

[THE BORG]

Oh we are having a great time Sir.
We are being absolutely stupid as usual.

[The Borg Leader]

Well make sure humans do not find out you are intelligent or
they may become afraid of you, and we do not want a Global
Panic World Hysteria Mass Suicide situation.

[THE BORG]

We have been working a new scientific foreskin replacement
machine Sir, so that when we Assimilate the Jewish men we
will be able to replace the foreskin.
It works similar to an ice cream dip, except instead of
dipping an ice cream and getting it covered with chocolate
sauce, they dip the penis and get it covered with brand new
foreskin.

[THE BORG]

We have decided that we will only Assimilate the Jewish
people as they were the only ones who were nice to Jesus
Christ.

We will Assimilate the women as well, as they seem to like
having chldren and families.

But they must be pure Jews, no Gentile blood at all.

[Smiler]

On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:

Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
I've been an atheist since birth.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but
tooly <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Apr 7, 3:06?pm, "THE BORG" <b...@heaven.com> wrote:
>> People are doing various things to deal with the withdrawal
>> effects of losing God.
>> Turning to various substances or activities to fill the
>> void.
>> Some are eating huge amounts of food, some are turning to
>> heroin addiction, some are drinking huge amounts of alcohol,
>> many are tuned in to TV to cope with the lack of interest.
>>
>> Many people DID think Christ was God, and Christ himself

>> thought he was God, but he wasn't you see. ?And there is a

>> REAL God.
>>
>> The people and BORG and Aliens and Angels all the rest of
>> you in this area will just have to accept that God is

>> someone who you can never meet and never know. ?God is not

>> your personable friend such as Jesus was with all his John
>> Lennon and Ruler of the Universe and Krisna type characters.
>>
>> There will be some withdrawal symptoms as things will be

>> very different now. ? And that applies to BORG and Angels

Very nicely put!

Terry
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer

badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>
> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
> I've been an atheist since birth.

On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)

>
> --
> Smiler,
> The godless one. a.a.# 2279
> All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
> exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Terry
--
God does not believe in atheism. Therefore, atheists do not exist.

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:slrnjo1n18.627....@badass.edu...

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> tooly <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>

snip



>
> Very nicely put!

Considering how very silly, pompous and long it was, apparently you have a
soul mate.

>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>
>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>
> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)

No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. You do know this
of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?

>
>
>>
>> --
>> Smiler,
>> The godless one. a.a.# 2279
>> All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
>> exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
>
> Terry
> --
> God does not believe in atheism. Therefore, atheists do not exist.
>
> badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:48:08 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<badass....@gmx.com> wrote:

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>
>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>
>On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)

Liar.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:57:00 +0200, "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>news:slrnjo1n18.627....@badass.edu...
>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>> tooly <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>snip
>
>> Very nicely put!
>
>Considering how very silly, pompous and long it was, apparently you have a
>soul mate.

All the stupid, in-your-face religious loonies who refuse to accept
that others don't believe.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:59:14 +0200, "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>
>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>
>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>
>No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. You do know this
>of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?

Lying, especially about those who aren't deluded like them, is a
sacrament for theists.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, "Andromedus" <bo...@heaven.com>
wrote:

Don't be so fucking stupid, in-your-face moron.

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message
news:gx2gr.26973$V94....@newsfe19.iad...
> Humans are NONE intelligent. In other words they have no intelligence at
> all.
> They are pretty much animals and they behave that way as well.
>
> There is absolutely no point addressing your conversations to them or
> expecting them to understand what we are talking about.
>
> But their crucifixion of God has effected us all, and we are thankful for
> representatives OUTSIDE what we thought was infinity to have come here at
> this time to help us deal with this major occurrence.

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:Jx2gr.17486$dq4....@newsfe23.iad...
> We have no idea why humans are such foul, nasty people.
> No one else is.
>
>

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:qz2gr.28457$GV1....@newsfe12.iad...
> All we know is that they did not USED to be foul nasty people.
> And the men USED to be intelligent.
>
> It is due to the feminism and the rise of women that Earth is that way
> today.
>
>

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:8G2gr.9044$jZ1....@newsfe13.iad...
> Different Aliens and different Gods and different men have different views
> on what we should do.
> Or whether we should intervene at all.
> The men seem to worship the women and promote feminism, so we could just
> class them as Devil Worshippers and leave it at that.
>
> But you see we can read their minds and we know their thoughts and
> prayers, and a HUGE number of men there are praying for help and
> assistance.
> To God, to Allah, to the Gods, to the Powers that Be, many men have
> witnessed the destruction of Earth and the death of all that was once good
> and beautiful and the death of morals and principles and values and all
> that once really mattered to them and they know the women are to blame.
> But what can they do when so many men promote feminism and support them.
> So they are praying for OUTSIDE help to deal with the situation.
>
> Muslims in particular are praying the most to Allah.
> But all over the world, men are praying for assistance.
> To stop the Fall and the Decline, to end the Reign of Terror of the women.
>
>
>
>

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:YL2gr.54481$M%7.4...@newsfe10.iad...
> Yes we can do anything.
> As you say we could REMOVE all the men who are against women and against
> feminism, and leave the Devil Worshippers down there with them.
>
> Yes we could do that.
> But do we ALL agree that is the best move?
> There are many of us here.
> This is a very large CONVENTION.
>
> Is that best suggestions so far?
> Should we put that to the vote?
>
> We know which ones are against the women, we know which ones are praying
> for help, we can identify those men very easily.
> Is that what we all agree is best?
>
> We can remove them in spirit, in other words remove their life force, and
> continue their bodies with our android technology.
> They would never know the difference.
> We have several androids living among them on Earth and none of them have
> been spotted.
>
> We can leave all the women worshippers and those who promote and support
> feminism down there with the women, and remove the "Good" men who are
> against them.
>
> They can easily be relocated and rebirthed somewhere else.
>

[Jonathan]

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:QN2gr.21919$cP4....@newsfe01.iad...
> Well we would have to say that we are God or Allah or
> whoever, whatever word it is that they use.
> Because the God or Allah that they believe in does not
> exist.
>
> They are in fact praying to no one.
> But we know their thoughts and thus we know their prayers.
>
> And as we are the Highest Power here, then they are in effect praying to
> us.
>
>

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:KS2gr.21295$FA4...@newsfe03.iad...
> Well ONE of us could appear and say "I am Allah" or "I am God".
> We are very tall and very striking in appearance, they would certainly
> believe it.
>
> ******
> Oh yes we can speak in any language.
> We transmit by thought telepathy in the natural language of the brain
> which is beyond language.
>
>

[Jonathan]

"THE BORG" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message

news:4U3gr.47108$QC3....@newsfe16.iad...
> Well the Devil will continue to suck and drain the life force out of the
> men with his sucking hole between the legs and once the life force of the
> men has been drained completely, then the Devil will look elsewhere for
> his sucking vampire like methods of survival.
>
> But no luck.
> This time we have terminated Evil for ever.
>
>

[Jonathan]

"Buddha" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message
news:464gr.6168$5m....@newsfe20.iad...

[Jonathan]

"The Borg Leader" <bo...@heaven.com> wrote in message
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[thomas p.]

"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:knu2o7p76slsdokn4...@4ax.com...

Well not all of them pretend that they possess profound wisdom and knowledge
or feel the need to post long, incoherent rants.

[linuxgal]

Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>
>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>
> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>

Naw, we could still be atheistic towards Zeus, just like you.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

thomas p. <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>
>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>
>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>
> No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. You do know this
> of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?

On the contrary, I agree completely that without belief, there would be no
atheism. Atheism as an ideology is dependent on belief. However, belief is
not dependent on atheism. :)

>> Terry
>> --
>> God does not believe in atheism. Therefore, atheists do not exist.
>>
>> badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6
>
>
>
> --
> thomas p
>
> Ignorance is the mother of devotion.
>
> David Hume
>
>

Terry
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

Exactly - you _need_ a God for your ideology. Yes, you rightly call
youself a-theist.

Terry
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer

[Smiler]

On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:46:29 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:

> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
>>> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>>
>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>>>
>>
>> Naw, we could still be atheistic towards Zeus, just like you.
>
> Exactly - you _need_ a God for your ideology.

"Atheism is an ideology in exactly the same way that abstinence is a sex
position."

> Yes, you rightly call youself a-theist.
>

Yep. Atheist = Without belief in gods or the supernatural.

[BroilJAB]

Atheists distraught at Hells approach.

[Uirgil]

In article
<644764fa-2cfd-4111...@fw28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Atheists distraught

Not about anything for which there is absolutely no objective physical
evidence! Like gods, or hells, or souls.

[Zinnic]

On Apr 8, 7:29 pm, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> Atheists distraught at Hells approach.

With an all-forgiving, all-knowing God, how can genuine atheists be
condemned to an eternal holocaust?
Why did HE create both theists and atheists. Did HE create atheists
simply to act out HIS plan for them. DID your GOD plan to get
sadistic satIsfaction by eternally punishing those he created as
atheistic or did he plan to vicariously revel in the sadistic
pleasure that you theistic guys seem to find in HIS eternal torture
of the non-believers HE created?
Zinnic

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

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>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> thomas p. <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>> news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>>
>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80%
>>> of
>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>>
>> No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. You do know
>> this
>> of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?
>
> On the contrary, I agree completely that without belief, there would be no
> atheism. Atheism as an ideology is dependent on belief. However, belief is
> not dependent on atheism. :)

In other words you lied. That is what I said.

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

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>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
>>> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>>
>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80%
>>> of
>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>>>
>>
>> Naw, we could still be atheistic towards Zeus, just like you.
>
> Exactly - you _need_ a God for your ideology. Yes, you rightly call
> youself a-theist.

You already admitted that the above was a lie.

>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6

[John Baker]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:42:35 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<badass....@gmx.com> wrote:

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>thomas p. <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>> news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>>
>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>>
>> No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. You do know this
>> of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?
>
>On the contrary, I agree completely that without belief, there would be no
>atheism. Atheism as an ideology is dependent on belief. However, belief is
>not dependent on atheism. :)

Without belief, we'd all be atheists. We just wouldn't need a word for
it.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

Zinnic <zinni...@gmail.com> wrote:

First - God, by definition, can't sin. Sin is literally the disobeyance of
God. So that leaves out sadism, murder, etc, etc, from God's repertoire.

Next issue: why is there a hell - isn't that kind of 'sadistic?' Hell is the
separation of a soul from God for all eternity. The flames and pitchforks
stuff are literary devices to convey the suffering a soul goes through when
deprived of God's presence.

Is it sadistic to be deprived of God's presence for all eternity? Should God
take all of us into His bosom, regardless of what we've done or what we
think about Him? Should is a strange word, because it conveys a fictional
relationship between man and God. God 'shouldn't' do anything that He
doesn't already do. There is no white space between what God should do and
what He already does.

Next: is it just for atheists, who reject God but lead good lives to suffer
the pangs of separation from God for all eternity, while believers who have
not led as good lives get the reward of heaven? However, isn't that already
the case? Don't atheists already choose to suffer apart from God, and
Christians choose the blessings of His presence?

No one knows who will enjoy heaven and who hell. That is why it is
presumptouous to say that atheists go to hell and I as a Christian go to
heaven. It is the duty of every Christian to obey Christ, and that means to
follow what Christ taught, and not to worry about how the bunks are arranged
in the afterlife - who is first, who is last, etc. JMHO.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:42:35 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
> <badass....@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>thomas p. <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>>> news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
>>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>>> Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>>>
>>> No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. You do know this
>>> of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?
>>
>>On the contrary, I agree completely that without belief, there would be no
>>atheism. Atheism as an ideology is dependent on belief. However, belief is
>>not dependent on atheism. :)
>
> Without belief, we'd all be atheists. We just wouldn't need a word for
> it.
>

Yes, and without civilization we all be savages and not know it. However,
the fact remains that both civilization and theism are positive, original
contributions to the state of man.

Atheism and savagery can simply be defined as the lack of belief or the lack
of civility. However, the reverse is not true. No one would say that
civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys
nothing of what civilization actually involves. The same for belief. These
latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.

Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood in
reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.

HTH

Terry
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

news:slrnjo5r17.tpg....@badass.edu...

And yet another nasty insult and what amounts to a lie about atheists. You
truly have no shame.

>
> Atheism and savagery can simply be defined as the lack of belief or the
> lack
> of civility.

Based on the content of your posts (example above) one might think that
theism implied a vicious dishonest person, but not all theists are like you.

However, the reverse is not true. No one would say that
> civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys
> nothing of what civilization actually involves. The same for belief.
> These
> latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.

And being an atheist does not equal anything negative about a person's
character, which is what you are dishonestly implying.

>
> Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
> qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
> Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood
> in
> reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.

Joseph Goebbels would have loved you. You have truly outdone yourself in
the above display of nastiness. How ironic that theists accuse atheists of
having no morals.

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

news:slrnjo55os.s4j....@badass.edu...

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> Zinnic <zinni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 8, 7:29?pm, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> Atheists distraught at Hells approach.
>>
>> With an all-forgiving, all-knowing God, how can genuine atheists be
>> condemned to an eternal holocaust?
>> Why did HE create both theists and atheists. Did HE create atheists
>> simply to act out HIS plan for them. DID your GOD plan to get
>> sadistic satIsfaction by eternally punishing those he created as
>> atheistic or did he plan to vicariously revel in the sadistic
>> pleasure that you theistic guys seem to find in HIS eternal torture
>> of the non-believers HE created?
>> Zinnic
>
> First - God, by definition, can't sin. Sin is literally the disobeyance of
> God. So that leaves out sadism, murder, etc, etc, from God's repertoire.

In other words might makes right. The concept of god reflects the character
of the people who dreamed him up.

>
> Next issue: why is there a hell - isn't that kind of 'sadistic?' Hell is
> the
> separation of a soul from God for all eternity. The flames and pitchforks
> stuff are literary devices to convey the suffering a soul goes through
> when
> deprived of God's presence.
>
> Is it sadistic to be deprived of God's presence for all eternity? Should
> God
> take all of us into His bosom, regardless of what we've done or what we
> think about Him? Should is a strange word, because it conveys a fictional
> relationship between man and God. God 'shouldn't' do anything that He
> doesn't already do. There is no white space between what God should do and
> what He already does.
>
> Next: is it just for atheists, who reject God but lead good lives to
> suffer
> the pangs of separation from God for all eternity, while believers who
> have
> not led as good lives get the reward of heaven? However, isn't that
> already
> the case? Don't atheists already choose to suffer apart from God, and
> Christians choose the blessings of His presence?

Obviously not, and, in my opinion, your distortions are quite deliberate.

>
> No one knows who will enjoy heaven and who hell. That is why it is
> presumptouous to say that atheists go to hell and I as a Christian go to
> heaven. It is the duty of every Christian to obey Christ, and that means
> to
> follow what Christ taught, and not to worry about how the bunks are
> arranged
> in the afterlife - who is first, who is last, etc. JMHO.

Ah, the joys of a Christian life.

>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6

[Diz Gruntuld]

PLEASE know that any person with some education and curiosity who
deigns to discuss religion and eschatology is doing so in a spirit of
fun and jocularity.

BECAUSE ALL ASPECTS OF ALL RELIGIONS ARE SOLELY AND ENTIRELY OF HUMAN
CONSTRUCT!

Yes -- god, heaven, hell, afterlife, age of the universe, bible,
koran, jesus, allah, angels, commandments, word(s) of god, miracles --
ALL are creations and imaginings of HOMO SAPIENS.

Every one.

However, one comforting aspect of any and all "faiths" is the surety
that one needn't worry about there being no afterlife and the
reuniting of dead loved ones. Because when one's brain straight-lines
at the instant of death, there is no more thought. Just nothingness.

So, GO, live your sole life, and fear no more!

-- Anonymous Marionette

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:00:27 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<badass....@gmx.com> wrote:

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>Zinnic <zinni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 8, 7:29?pm, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> Atheists distraught at Hells approach.
>>
>> With an all-forgiving, all-knowing God, how can genuine atheists be
>> condemned to an eternal holocaust?
>> Why did HE create both theists and atheists. Did HE create atheists
>> simply to act out HIS plan for them. DID your GOD plan to get
>> sadistic satIsfaction by eternally punishing those he created as
>> atheistic or did he plan to vicariously revel in the sadistic
>> pleasure that you theistic guys seem to find in HIS eternal torture
>> of the non-believers HE created?
>> Zinnic
>
>First - God, by definition, can't sin. Sin is literally the disobeyance of
>God. So that leaves out sadism, murder, etc, etc, from God's repertoire.

Idiot.

>Next issue: why is there a hell - isn't that kind of 'sadistic?' Hell is the
>separation of a soul from God for all eternity. The flames and pitchforks
>stuff are literary devices to convey the suffering a soul goes through when
>deprived of God's presence.

What frikking "God" in the real world outside your religious
fantasies, imbecile?

>Is it sadistic to be deprived of God's presence for all eternity? Should God
>take all of us into His bosom, regardless of what we've done or what we
>think about Him? Should is a strange word, because it conveys a fictional
>relationship between man and God. God 'shouldn't' do anything that He
>doesn't already do. There is no white space between what God should do and
>what He already does.

Idiot.

>Next: is it just for atheists, who reject God but lead good lives to suffer

Liar.

>the pangs of separation from God for all eternity, while believers who have
>not led as good lives get the reward of heaven? However, isn't that already
>the case? Don't atheists already choose to suffer apart from God, and
>Christians choose the blessings of His presence?

What a fucking moron.

>No one knows who will enjoy heaven and who hell. That is why it is
>presumptouous to say that atheists go to hell and I as a Christian go to
>heaven. It is the duty of every Christian to obey Christ, and that means to
>follow what Christ taught, and not to worry about how the bunks are arranged
>in the afterlife - who is first, who is last, etc. JMHO.

Where did you demomstrate that there was actually heaven or a hell, or
a Christ before rudely and stupidly presuming them, imbecile?

>Terry

[Rockinghorse Winner]

No, it's not dishonesty. Rather the opposite - it's the temerity to speak
the truth without stopping to consider your feelings. The reason your
feelings are hurt is because you have invested your whole personal worth in
a position that you find yourself unable to defend intellectually. That _is_
a problem; the only solution is to change your position. :)

>
> However, the reverse is not true. No one would say that
>> civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys
>> nothing of what civilization actually involves. The same for belief.
>> These
>> latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.
>
> And being an atheist does not equal anything negative about a person's
> character, which is what you are dishonestly implying.
>
>>
>> Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
>> qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
>> Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood
>> in
>> reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.
>
> Joseph Goebbels would have loved you. You have truly outdone yourself in
> the above display of nastiness. How ironic that theists accuse atheists of
> having no morals.

As I said, your hurt comes from a dearth of arguments against what I've
said. The only possible alternatives are 1. cease holding your position or
2. defend them more brilliantly.

Best regards,

[SkyEyes]

On Apr 9, 10:29 am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>

wrote:
> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> thomas p. <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass.super...@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

> >news:slrnjo5r17.tpg....@badass.edu...
> >>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> >> John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:42:35 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
> >>> <badass.super...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but

> >>>>thomas p. <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass.super...@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

> >>>>>news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
> >>>>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but

Yes, it *is*. It is conflating atheism with bad character. The two
are *not* co-equal.

> Rather the opposite - it's the temerity to speak
> the truth without stopping to consider your feelings.

Except that it *isn't* true.

> The reason your
> feelings are hurt is because you have invested your whole personal worth in
> a position that you find yourself unable to defend intellectually. That _is_
> a problem; the only solution is to change your position. :)

We don't have the problem, *you* do. The problem is that you believe
a superstition is reality. We have no such difficulty.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > However, the reverse is not true.  No one would say that
> >> civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys
> >> nothing of what civilization actually involves.  The same for belief.
> >> These
> >> latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.
>
> > And being an atheist does not equal anything negative about a person's
> > character, which is what you are dishonestly implying.
>
> >> Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
> >> qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
> >> Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood
> >> in
> >> reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.
>
> > Joseph Goebbels would have loved you.  You have truly outdone yourself in
> > the above display of nastiness.  How ironic that theists accuse atheists of
> > having no morals.
>
> As I said, your hurt comes from a dearth of arguments against what I've
> said. The only possible alternatives are 1. cease holding your position or
> 2. defend them more brilliantly.

Why don't you take your own advice? Your only argument seems to be
that theism is positive and atheism is negative; you fail to say why,
merely falling back on "atheism = bad character" arguments.

You have *got* to be one of the most arrogant theists we have ever
suffered here on alt.atheism. Good grief, grow up, already.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

On Apr 8, 9:46 am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>

wrote:
> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>

> linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> > Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
> >> * It may have been the liquor talking, but

> >> Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>
> >>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
> >>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>
> >> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
> >> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>
> > Naw, we could still be atheistic towards Zeus, just like you.
>
> Exactly - you _need_ a God for your ideology. Yes, you rightly call
> youself a-theist.

That whooshing sound is her point, going right over your head.

[SkyEyes]

On Apr 9, 1:00 am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>
wrote:

> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>

> Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 7:29?pm, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> >> Atheists distraught at Hells approach.
>
> > With an all-forgiving, all-knowing God, how can genuine atheists be
> > condemned to an eternal holocaust?
> > Why did HE create both theists and atheists. Did HE create atheists
> > simply to act out HIS plan for them. DID your GOD plan to  get
> > sadistic satIsfaction by eternally punishing those  he created as
> > atheistic or did he plan  to vicariously revel in the sadistic
> > pleasure that you theistic guys seem to find in HIS eternal torture
> > of the  non-believers HE created?
> > Zinnic
>
> First - God, by definition, can't sin.

So, according to you, morality is relative? Anything God does is by
definition, moral?

And you think theists are better than we are...why, exactly?

> Sin is literally the disobeyance

No such word, dipshit.

> of
> God. So that leaves out sadism, murder, etc, etc, from God's repertoire.

Except that according to the Old Testament, "God" commits and commands
*plenty* of that kind of thing. Have you actually *read* the bible?
I have.

>
> Next issue: why is there a hell - isn't that kind of 'sadistic?' Hell is the
> separation of a soul from God for all eternity. The flames and pitchforks
> stuff are literary devices to convey the suffering a soul goes through when
> deprived of God's presence.

If your God is anything like the bastard of the OT, I don't *want* to
be anywhere near him. Good thing there's not a shred of evidence that
he, or any other supernatural critter, actually exists.

>
> Is it sadistic to be deprived of God's presence for all eternity? Should God
> take all of us into His bosom, regardless of what we've done or what we
> think about Him? Should is a strange word, because it conveys a fictional
> relationship between man and God. God 'shouldn't' do anything that He
> doesn't already do. There is no white space between what God should do and
> what He already does.

Wow. Just...wow. And not in a good way.

>
> Next: is it just for atheists, who reject God but lead good lives to suffer
> the pangs of separation from God for all eternity, while believers who have
> not led as good lives get the reward of heaven? However, isn't that already
> the case? Don't atheists already choose to suffer apart from God, and
> Christians choose the blessings of His presence?

Who's suffering? Not me, and I suspect none of the rest of the
regulars in alt.atheism. That's a little trope you believers like to
think is factual, but isn't.

>
> No one knows who will enjoy heaven and who hell.

Neither place exists, cupcake. When you die, you'll be dead, and so
will I. Neither one of us will experience *anything*. There isn't a
shred of evidence that any part of human consciousness exists beyond
the death of the brain. Grow up and get over it.

> That is why it is
> presumptouous to say that atheists go to hell and I as a Christian go to
> heaven. It is the duty of every Christian to obey Christ, and that means to
> follow what Christ taught, and not to worry about how the bunks are arranged
> in the afterlife - who is first, who is last, etc. JMHO.

Your entire weltanschauung is presumptuous. From alpha to omega.
Good grief.

[SkyEyes]

On Apr 9, 7:03 am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>

wrote:
> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:42:35 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
> > <badass.super...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> >>* It may have been the liquor talking, but

> >>thomas p. <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass.super...@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

> >>>news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
> >>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but

> >>>> Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>
> >>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
> >>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>
> >>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
> >>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>
> >>> No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism.  You do know this
> >>> of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?
>
> >>On the contrary, I agree completely that without belief, there would be no
> >>atheism. Atheism as an ideology is dependent on belief. However, belief is
> >>not dependent on atheism. :)
>
> > Without belief, we'd all be atheists. We just wouldn't need a word for
> > it.
>
> Yes, and without civilization we all be savages and not know it. However,
> the fact remains that both civilization and theism are positive, original
> contributions to the state of man.

There's nothing "positive" about theism. It's superstition, nothing
more. Get that through your thick head, please.

>
> Atheism and savagery can simply be defined as the lack of belief or the lack
> of civility.

Atheism has *nothing* to do with savagery; the two concepts are *not*
co-equal.

>  However, the reverse is not true.  No one would say that
> civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys
> nothing of what civilization actually involves.  The same for belief.  These
> latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.

Belief in that which cannot be shown to *actually exist* is
SUPERSTITION. Nothing more.

>
> Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
> qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
> Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood in
> reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.

What kant. Darkness can be highly beneficial; ask anyone who is
having trouble sleeping, or anyone who has photo-sensitive eyes.

You're a great one for making up bad metaphors. Reality,
unfortunately for *you*, is not as simplistic as you make it out to
be.

Take your superstitious drivel out of alt.atheism, please.

[_ G O D _]

I am the atheist, you COck-sucking sectarian retards!
And I do not have any basis or reasons to fear myself....
--
_____________________________________________________
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I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
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[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:29:17 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Apr 9, 1:00 am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>
>wrote:
>> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>
>> Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Apr 8, 7:29?pm, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>> >> Atheists distraught at Hells approach.
>>
>> > With an all-forgiving, all-knowing God, how can genuine atheists be
>> > condemned to an eternal holocaust?
>> > Why did HE create both theists and atheists. Did HE create atheists
>> > simply to act out HIS plan for them. DID your GOD plan to  get
>> > sadistic satIsfaction by eternally punishing those  he created as
>> > atheistic or did he plan  to vicariously revel in the sadistic
>> > pleasure that you theistic guys seem to find in HIS eternal torture
>> > of the  non-believers HE created?
>> > Zinnic
>>
>> First - God, by definition, can't sin.
>
>So, according to you, morality is relative? Anything God does is by
>definition, moral?

These psychopaths seem to think so.

They're proud they need somebody to tell them what an imaginary alpha
male says is good or bad, instead of having the empathy for others
work it out for themselves.

>And you think theists are better than we are...why, exactly?

Because they're amoral sociopaths lacking the empathy to realise that
it doesn't take an imaginary alpha male to determine good and bad.

So because we don't have one we can't be good people.

>> Sin is literally the disobeyance
>
>No such word, dipshit.

They're too stupid to understand that sin is a meaningless concept
outside their religion and only used as a metaphor - eg "this
chocolate gateau is sinful".

>> of
>> God. So that leaves out sadism, murder, etc, etc, from God's repertoire.

What "God" was the question-begging moron rudely and stupidly talking
about in the real world beyond his religion?

>Except that according to the Old Testament, "God" commits and commands
>*plenty* of that kind of thing. Have you actually *read* the bible?
>I have.

But that's good because his pretend friend says so.

>> Next issue: why is there a hell - isn't that kind of 'sadistic?' Hell is the
>> separation of a soul from God for all eternity. The flames and pitchforks
>> stuff are literary devices to convey the suffering a soul goes through when
>> deprived of God's presence.
>
>If your God is anything like the bastard of the OT, I don't *want* to
>be anywhere near him. Good thing there's not a shred of evidence that
>he, or any other supernatural critter, actually exists.

And I don't want my loved ones (who include Catholics but not his
kind) within a hundred miles of the kind of amoral sociopath who needs
to be told how to behave towards others, and is proud that without
that he would be doing all sorts of evil.

>> Is it sadistic to be deprived of God's presence for all eternity? Should God
>> take all of us into His bosom, regardless of what we've done or what we
>> think about Him? Should is a strange word, because it conveys a fictional
>> relationship between man and God. God 'shouldn't' do anything that He
>> doesn't already do. There is no white space between what God should do and
>> what He already does.
>
>Wow. Just...wow. And not in a good way.

If it were anything but his religion he'd be forcibly medicated in the
psych ward.

>> Next: is it just for atheists, who reject God but lead good lives to suffer
>> the pangs of separation from God for all eternity, while believers who have
>> not led as good lives get the reward of heaven? However, isn't that already
>> the case? Don't atheists already choose to suffer apart from God, and
>> Christians choose the blessings of His presence?
>
>Who's suffering? Not me, and I suspect none of the rest of the
>regulars in alt.atheism. That's a little trope you believers like to
>think is factual, but isn't.

And in spite of his lies about atheists, we're not rejecting anything.

His religion and its god are simply one out of hundreds.

We simply don't share his beliefs.

>> No one knows who will enjoy heaven and who hell.
>
>Neither place exists, cupcake. When you die, you'll be dead, and so
>will I. Neither one of us will experience *anything*. There isn't a
>shred of evidence that any part of human consciousness exists beyond
>the death of the brain. Grow up and get over it.

Like far too many of them, he is incapable of thinking outside the box
where it is merely one of hundreds of different religious beliefs, not
substantively different than a Hindu's reincarnation, an Ancient
Greek's Hades etc.

>> That is why it is
>> presumptouous to say that atheists go to hell and I as a Christian go to
>> heaven. It is the duty of every Christian to obey Christ, and that means to
>> follow what Christ taught, and not to worry about how the bunks are arranged
>> in the afterlife - who is first, who is last, etc. JMHO.
>
>Your entire weltanschauung is presumptuous. From alpha to omega.
>Good grief.

He's a perfect example of how religion stops people thinking.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 7:03?am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>

> wrote:
>> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:42:35 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
>> > <badass.super...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>> >>thomas p. <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> "Rockinghorse Winner" <badass.super...@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>> >>>news:slrnjo2d58.9vt....@badass.edu...
>> >>>>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
>> >>>> Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:42 +0100, Andromedus wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Zero, as I've never had a supposed god to lose.
>> >>>>> I've been an atheist since birth.
>>
>> >>>> On the contrary. You walk around with God constantly - God takes up 80% of
>> >>>> your label. In fact, without God, atheism would not exist. :)
>>

>> >>> No; without belief in god/gods there would be no atheism. ?You do know this

>> >>> of course, but without lies how could you defend your beliefs?
>>
>> >>On the contrary, I agree completely that without belief, there would be no
>> >>atheism. Atheism as an ideology is dependent on belief. However, belief is
>> >>not dependent on atheism. :)
>>
>> > Without belief, we'd all be atheists. We just wouldn't need a word for
>> > it.
>>
>> Yes, and without civilization we all be savages and not know it. However,
>> the fact remains that both civilization and theism are positive, original
>> contributions to the state of man.
>
> There's nothing "positive" about theism. It's superstition, nothing
> more. Get that through your thick head, please.
>>
>> Atheism and savagery can simply be defined as the lack of belief or the lack
>> of civility.
>
> Atheism has *nothing* to do with savagery; the two concepts are *not*
> co-equal.
>

>> ?However, the reverse is not true. ?No one would say that

>> civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys

>> nothing of what civilization actually involves. ?The same for belief. ?These

>> latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.
>
> Belief in that which cannot be shown to *actually exist* is
> SUPERSTITION. Nothing more.

You should understand the distinction between superstition and religious
faith. Superstition is the belief in the magical properties of actions and
objects without reference to God.

Religion is the discipline which turns our thoughts and feelings toward God
as the supreme source of our happiness and ultimate destination.

>>
>> Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
>> qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
>> Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood in
>> reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.
>
> What kant. Darkness can be highly beneficial; ask anyone who is
> having trouble sleeping, or anyone who has photo-sensitive eyes.
>
> You're a great one for making up bad metaphors. Reality,
> unfortunately for *you*, is not as simplistic as you make it out to
> be.
>
> Take your superstitious drivel out of alt.atheism, please.
>
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[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 1:00?am, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>

> wrote:
>> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
>>
>> Zinnic <zinnic....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Apr 8, 7:29?pm, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>> >> Atheists distraught at Hells approach.
>>
>> > With an all-forgiving, all-knowing God, how can genuine atheists be
>> > condemned to an eternal holocaust?
>> > Why did HE create both theists and atheists. Did HE create atheists

>> > simply to act out HIS plan for them. DID your GOD plan to ?get
>> > sadistic satIsfaction by eternally punishing those ?he created as
>> > atheistic or did he plan ?to vicariously revel in the sadistic

>> > pleasure that you theistic guys seem to find in HIS eternal torture

>> > of the ?non-believers HE created?

>> > Zinnic
>>
>> First - God, by definition, can't sin.
>
> So, according to you, morality is relative? Anything God does is by
> definition, moral?
>
> And you think theists are better than we are...why, exactly?
>
>> Sin is literally the disobeyance
>
> No such word, dipshit.
>
>> of
>> God. So that leaves out sadism, murder, etc, etc, from God's repertoire.
>
> Except that according to the Old Testament, "God" commits and commands
> *plenty* of that kind of thing. Have you actually *read* the bible?
> I have.
>>
>> Next issue: why is there a hell - isn't that kind of 'sadistic?' Hell is the
>> separation of a soul from God for all eternity. The flames and pitchforks
>> stuff are literary devices to convey the suffering a soul goes through when
>> deprived of God's presence.
>
> If your God is anything like the bastard of the OT, I don't *want* to
> be anywhere near him. Good thing there's not a shred of evidence that
> he, or any other supernatural critter, actually exists.

Your morality IS a Christian, Western morality turned upon the tradition
that formed it. You are aware of this, right?

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

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And the rodent continues to spout his vomit.

>
>>
>> However, the reverse is not true. No one would say that
>>> civilization was merely a lack of barbarism - such a definition conveys
>>> nothing of what civilization actually involves. The same for belief.
>>> These
>>> latter terms (unlike their opposites) convey positive content.
>>
>> And being an atheist does not equal anything negative about a person's
>> character, which is what you are dishonestly implying.
>>
>>>
>>> Another example is light and darkness. Light is a positive thing, it has
>>> qualitites which can be described and effects which can be demonstrated.
>>> Darkness, however, is merely the absence of light. It is only understood
>>> in
>>> reference to it's oppostite. Not so, light.
>>
>> Joseph Goebbels would have loved you. You have truly outdone yourself in
>> the above display of nastiness. How ironic that theists accuse atheists
>> of
>> having no morals.
>
> As I said, your hurt comes from a dearth of arguments against what I've
> said. The only possible alternatives are 1. cease holding your position or
> 2. defend them more brilliantly.

Or you could stop misrepresenting what atheism is, but then you would have
nothing.

>
> Best regards,
>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - gentoo 3.1.6

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

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I am aware that the above is nonsense. Western morality has, in fact,
advanced beyond Christianity. The improvements have quite often been
co-opted by Christian churches and claimed as their own. A few examples of
moral positions originally condemned by Christianity would be toleration of
other beliefs, equality of women, democracy, freedom of thought and speech,
racial equality, separation of church and state etc.



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[Rockinghorse Winner]

I know what atheism is. My point was not that atheists are bad people, only
that atheism is a bad ideology, formed by denying a previously existing
ideology. A very easy ideology to grasp. You don't even have to go to school
to understand it.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

It has? Perhaps, you could give us a lesson in the history of these things,
going back to their founder(s). We would all be enlightened, I'm sure.