The Atheist Schism deepens! Atheists finally concede fasgnadh was right, his influence on alt.atheism has been profound!! Re: Are people born as Atheists or as Agnostics?
fasgnadh
> On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
Much as we are tempted to agree that an atheist is ANY NON SENTIENT
entity, and that, for example, dog shit and snot are among the MOST
INTELLIGENT of these REAL atheists, we must, in the interests of logic
and humour, ridicule their stupidity and mock them to oblivion! B^]
As we have been doing this for MONTHS it is most gratifying
to see that, as on every topic, atheists are forced by
the powerful logic of my rational arguments to AGREE with me: B^D
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,aus.religion,aus.politics,
# uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.communism,alt.politics.republicans,
# alt.politics.democrats
# Subject: Re: The Real atheists: Dog Shit, Used Tampons, Smegma
# and Snot!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAA!
# Message-ID: <xp3Bl.399$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:51:25 GMT
#
# AZ Nomad wrote:
# >> On Mar 29, 5:14 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
# >>>> On Mar 6, 8:16 am, Virgil <Vir...@gmale.com> wrote:
# >>>>> In article <V3Vrl.25408$cu.17...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
# >>>>> fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
#
# >>>>>> Virgil continued the atheist membership drive, recruiting
# >>>>>> babies;
# >>>>>>>
# >>>>>>> If the person making that claim is including non-beleivers
# >>>>>>> in gods, as well as anti-believers, in his/her definition
# >>>>>>> of A-theism (without a god), then babies are certainly
# >>>>>>> non-believers.
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>> As are rocks, trees, grains of sand on the beach and
# >>>>>> my dog, Deefa!
#
# >>>>>> In fact Deefa is the most intelligent of all of you..
# >>>>>> and, unlike Atheists, HE'S NOT BARKING MAD! B^D
#
# >>> If they don't have a god belief then they are atheist.
#
# rocks, trees, grains of sand on the beach and my dog, Deefa
# don't have a god belief, according to these atheist CRETINS,
# that makes them Atheists!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!
#
# At least those sub-epsilon atheist morons recognise their
# INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORS!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAAHHAHA!
#
# EVERYTHING, that has an IQ small enough not to be able to
# form a belief!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA
#
# Watching atheists debate is like watching 'tards
# compare their lobotomy scars to see which one had
# the most brain removed;
#
# Dog shit and Used Tampons,
# Smegma and Snot all lack 'a God belief'
#
# > Are they god believers? No?
#
# No.
#
# > Then they are atheist.
# >
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
#
# Atheism's FINEST!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Losing support since the days when atheist states terrorised tortured
and murdered tens of millions of victims, atheists are frantic to boost
their numbers any way they can.. but claiming a lump of shit
is an atheist is really desperate! B^)
EVEN IF VIRGIL AND SYD PROVE ITS TRUE!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA
> I don't agree with the application of the definition of atheist to
> beings not *capable* of belief.
Well done Richo, you demonstrate that there is at least ONE
intelligent atheist capable of understanding the issue and
following my intellectual leadership! B^)
> A complete innocent - someone who has never heard of God cannot
> believe or disbelieve - the concept doesn't apply.
You even mimic my early examples, the 'Rock Atheists', among the
most intelligent and lively of all atheists; B^D
> So a baby, a rock or a tomato cannot be a theist nor can it be an
> atheist.
>
>> But he claims that they are born with a lack of belief in existence of
>> God and also lack of belief in non existence of God which makes them
>> Agnostics.
>>
>
> No that's wrong.
Of course it is.
We have already established that Atheism is a BELIEF, without proof,
that God does not exist, just as theism is a belief that he does,
or in the case of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, KRSNA, The Bab,
Baha'u'llah, Zoroaster and the Prophets, a knowledge gained from
direct revelation, which has been tested in history and found to be genuine.
Agnosticism is similarly a rational position, admitting that proof
either way is not easy or conclusive, but that it is possible to prove
God exists but impossible to prove God does not exist.
I like the agnostics, like atheists, they DON'T KNOW, but unlike
atheists, they ADMIT THEY DON'T KNOW!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
Still the important point is that, as in every argument in alt.atheism,
my cogent and rational viewpoint is being adopted, even by the atheists,
those few of them capable of rational thought, and dominates the discussion;
>> But my point is, the God concept is an extraordinary claim and until
>> it is first introduced to you, there can be no such thing as a lack of
>> belief in its non existentiality.
>>
>> What is your opinion?
>
> To describe a rock as a non smoker - because it doesn't smoke or as a
> vegetarian - because it doesn't eat meat - or an atheist because it
> doesn't believe in god - is to apply labels and concepts to things
> outside their scope - its just gibberish.
>
> Mark.
Well done Richo, for coming to share a RATIONAL agreement with my
position set out MONTHS AGO.. unfortunately as we can all see,
the MAJORITY of atheists, desperate to recruit every infant, rock,
tree, tampon and dog turd to inflate your pathetic numbers, won't give
up their IRRATIONAL and UNPROVABLE **BELIEF**
As this thread shows, the SCHISM in Atheist beliefs is deep and
growing wider! B^D
# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
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# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
---------
Atheists have already ADMITTED atheism is a BELIEF:
# Bertrand Russell admitted he was an agnostic because there was
# no PROOF that God did not exist and no way it could be proved;
#
# "In his 1949 speech, "Am I an Atheist or an Agnostic?",
# Russell expressed his difficulty over whether to call
# himself an atheist or an agnostic:
#
# "As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely
# philosophic audience I should say that I ought to
# describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think
# that there is a conclusive argument by which one can prove
# that there is not a God."
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
# after being refused permission to put atheist
# advertising on buses." - The Age 29/1/2009
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
# we're not one," Dr Perkins said."
---------
"Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's
right to start study group
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45874
"
A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin
prison officials violated an inmate's rights because
they did not treat atheism as a religion.
"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that
he wanted to start was religious in nature even though
it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the
7th Circuit Court of Appeals said."
Now all it needs is a REFORMATION to drag it out
of the Dark Age of irrational superstition, as
was evidenced in EVERY Atheist regime, and into the
Modern Era!
---------
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm
An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
It's just as I said.. Atheists have BELIEFS, they put them on bus signs!
And they CAN'T PROVE THEM!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
PRICELESS!
# "it makes utterly no difference which goddesses or gods
# you believe in, as long as you have some...
# Me, I'd suggest Bastet." - Cary Kittrell
#
# (has he misspelled 'Kitten'? ;-)
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Richo leads the Progressive Atheists who finally agree with fasgnadh:
> > On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
> >> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
> >> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>
>
> Much as we are tempted
Fasgnadh, as usual, yields to the unchristian temptation to exhibit his
unreasoning hatreds publicly.
But those hatreds hurt no one but himself.
--
Virgil
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> harsha wrote:
>>> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
>>> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
>>>
>>> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
>>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
>>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>>>
>>
>> Much as we are tempted to agree that an atheist is ANY NON SENTIENT
>> entity, and that, for example, dog shit and snot are among the MOST
>> and humour, ridicule your stupidity and mock you to oblivion! B^]
>>
>> As we have been doing for MONTHS: B^D
Thanks, even atheists are now agreeing with my impeccable logic; Mark
Richo, clearly one of the more intelligent atheists agrees with my
logic, stated MONTHS AGO..
How are you bitterly divided atheist shills going to resolve
this deep schism in your beliefs???
> Don't expect real answers
From you, of course not , you will snip all the argument,
as you just did then, leaving only unreadable fragments
where I am laughing at the atheist Schism, and then just make more
asinine, unsubstantiated ASSERTIONS which don't even address
the issue, you are a spent force, and a complete lightweight,
I will snip everything from you that has NOTHING to do with the
topic at hand to demonstrate proof of that claim:
<GIGO snip>
What the atheists are SCREECHING hysterically about and snipping
wildly as if sticking their heads up their arse makes the truth go
away, ...is that OTHER ATHEISTS NOW AGREE WITH ME!!; B^D
# From: Richo <m.richa...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Are people born as Atheists or as Agnostics?
# Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
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#
# On Jun 26, 7:33=A0pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
#
# > Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
# > without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
# > Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
#
# I don't agree with the application of the definition of
# atheist to beings not *capable* of belief.
We need to distinguish the two sides of the mammoth Schism that
exists in atheism, those than believe a dog or a lump of dog
dog shit or Smegma or snot can be an atheist, [the Smegma Atheists] and
those who don't, the Free-Will Atheists!
# A complete innocent - someone who has never heard of God
# cannot believe or disbelieve - the concept doesn't apply.
# So a baby, a rock or a tomato cannot be a theist nor can it
# be an atheist.
Ritcho is ALMOST correct... but no one can KNOW what a baby experiences,
and so, if it FEELS God's love, if it experiences the nurturing power
of the binding force in the Universe, Love, then it KNOWS God, even if
in it's pre-verbal state it cannot CONCEPTUALISE it's experience.
But I throw that in only to give the Smegma atheists, who have already
lost the argument, and thus the claim on 99% of the worldwide atheist
membership, something fresh to impotently gnash their teeth on! B^D
# > But he claims that they are born with a lack of belief
# >in existence of God and also lack of belief in non existence
# > of God which makes them Agnostics.
#
#
# No that's wrong.
# Agnosticism is a belief about knowledge and the possibility of
# knowledge.
#
#
# To describe a rock as a non smoker - because it doesn't
# smoke or as a vegetarian - because it doesn't eat meat
# - or an atheist because it doesn't believe in god - is to
# apply labels and concepts to things outside their scope
# - its just gibberish.
And most of the atheists believe it, Mark.. as this thread
and many more in alt.atheism demonstrate, you are amongst
fools and charlatans! B^]
Most of your potential allies in this fatal schism, are no longer
around to support you, only the Lunatic fringe of atheism is left,
because i have demolished the beliefs of all the former alt.atheism
champions and they have abandoned the field..
Where is Hypatia, Slimer, Bukakke, Kelsey Bjarnyardson.. et al/ B^]
...most of them no longer even post out of fear that I will demolish
their nonsense and publicly humiliate their backward beliefs.. all you
have left are the LUNATIC fringe, the forgers, fools and fops.. like
Virgil, zencyclops, raven and Syd! ;-)
The ones who are so dim, so bereft of judgement and moral integrity,
that they will ATTACK those who criticise the last remaining atheist
cluster-fuck, North Korea!!! 8^o
Abu Baker
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The ones who are left are TOO STUPID to know when they are licked,
and just keep coming back to be lacerated and mocked to oblivion
---------
The case for atheist reformation has been established,
Atheism is IN SCHISM.
First we demonstrated that atheism is just an UNPROVEN belief,
now we see the factions and warring sects fighting one another,
in an era when RELIGIONS ARE MOVING TO GREATER UNITY! 8^o
Immortalist
> > more lucid argument
>
> Thanks, even atheists are now agreeing with my impeccable logic; Mark
> Richo, clearly one of the more intelligent atheists agrees with my
> logic, stated MONTHS AGO..
>
> How are you bitterly divided atheist shills going to resolve
> this deep schism in your beliefs???
>
If you have logic behind you, you are not very good at it. I see many
logical fallacies in your argument, so many in fact it is hard to tell
what your argument even is. I will take you one, please state one
argument for me to thrash. I am the legendary troll destroyer,
welcome, present one to three arguments at a time.
Immortalist
>
> > more lucid argument
>
> Thanks, even atheists are now agreeing with my impeccable logic; Mark
> Richo, clearly one of the more intelligent atheists agrees with my
> logic, stated MONTHS AGO..
>
> How are you bitterly divided atheist shills going to resolve
> this deep schism in your beliefs???
>
If you have logic behind you, you are not very good at it. I see many
logical fallacies in your argument, so many in fact it is hard to tell
what your argument even is. I will take you one, please state one
argument for me to thrash. I am the legendary troll destroyer,
welcome, present one to three arguments at a time.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> zencycle snipped the cogent argument and ran, not one word on topic! :
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >> harsha wrote:
> >>> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
> >>> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
> >>>
> >>> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
> >>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
> >>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
> >>>
> >>> What is your opinion?
fasgnadh managed again to express too few ideas in too many words, and
none of them relevant.
--
Virgil
bob young
Immortalist wrote:
> >
> > > more lucid argument
> >
> > Thanks, even atheists are now agreeing with my impeccable logic;
thanks for the joke of the year
bob young
Immortalist wrote:
> >
> > > more lucid argument
> >
> > Thanks, even atheists are now agreeing with my impeccable logic . . .
> .
. . . . you are obviously not just an idiot, but an arrogant idiot to
boot.
<PLONK>
fasgnadh
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:08:01 -0700, Alan Ford <zzz...@qqq.net> wrote:
>
>> Alex W. wrote:
>>
>>> It may be technically correct to refer to a baby as atheist,
>>> but it is misleading because "X is an atheist" is a
>>> statement on a person's worldview -- which a baby is
>>> incapable of.
>>
>> But then you quickly run into a philosophical conundrum - at which point
>> is a person "capable" of being a theist? When he's two? Four? Ten? Sixteen?
>>
>> At which point do you draw a line and say "clearly now this child is
>> capable of having a worldview of his own and from this day on we can
>> call him either a theist or an atheist"?
When they reach the Age of Reason, obviously, then they can grow out
of atheist ignorance, (unless, like Lenin, Mao and the other atheist
TYRANTS, they are NEVER TAUGHT ANY BETTER, and remain atheist SAVAGES!)
> Kids raised outside religion tend to think for themselves a lot
...
Atheist free-thinkers conference;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv7wMk9oThI
Atheist non-idolatry parade;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOR-S9Se4JY
Atheist individualism threatens their society;
http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG
Atheism's Mummy/Daddy figure;
http://www.zitantique.com/images/DCP_1031.JPG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT3QuesXgQw&feature=related
> they do other, interesting things.
The Cultural Devolution, The Great Leap Backward, The Red Terror,
the Cambodian Genocide, the Nth Korean Nationwide Gulag of Terror,
torture and murder;
"A slow descent into Hell.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
--
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
fasgnadh
> On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
>> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
>>
>> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
And those who never learn any better, remain atheists, which explains
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Junk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJet5L7lRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LklqtLB9E_Y
> I don't agree with the application of the definition of atheist to
> beings not *capable* of belief.
But if it wasn't, there WOULDN'T BE ANY ATHEISTS!!!! B^D
> A complete innocent - someone who has never heard of God cannot
> believe or disbelieve - the concept doesn't apply.
A complete innocent may not have heard of nutrition, or Love, either,
but it can still experience it..
Thus a baby could EXPERIENCE God, and you would never know.
Your premise is faulty. A Baby cannot formulate a BELIEF
about the existence of God, or teh non-existence of God,
just as it can't formulate a belief about it's mother,
but can experience the reality and the love, of Both!
> So a baby, a rock or a tomato cannot be
..
> an atheist.
>
> Mark.
>
There goes 99.999999999999% of the atheist membership!!!! B^D
They are GLOBAL DECLINE since the atheist regimes heyday in the
20th century atheist tyrannies!
Syd
> Richo wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
> >> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
>
> >> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
> >> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
> >> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>
> And those who never learn any better, remain atheists, which explains
> Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Junk
>
No.
Your guilt by association is meaningless, Failednuts.
Just like the rest of your 'arguments.'
PDW
Michael Gordge
>
> And those who never learn any better, remain atheists, which explains
> Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Junk
Those anti-human anti-reason cockheads believed in ideas where there
was no evidence for the acceptance of those ideas, where there was no
sensory evidence for the acceptance of their ideas, its the process
known as faith.
People who go to church have accepted an idea in the absense of any
evidence, in the absense of any sensory evidence for the acceptance of
their ideas, its the process known as faith.
Oh look, Pol Pot and the Pope have a lot in common.
Atheists just like mystics can be both good and evil. Have you not
heard fasgnadh, there are priests, thousands of them in fact and from
all around the world, who have abused and fucked little boys who were
trusted into their care.
MG
Jimbo
Not to mention that neither Stalin nor Pol Pot were Atheists. Stalin
was a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and Pol Pot was a Daoist.
John Smith
On Jun 28, 1:07 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Richo wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
> >> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
>
> >> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
> >> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
> >> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>
> And those who never learn any better, remain atheists, which explains
> Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Junk
Ahhh .... so you are admitting those who "Learn better" become
wiccans!?!?!?!?!
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Richo wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
> >> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
> >>
> >> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
> >> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
> >> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>
>
> And those who never learn any better, remain atheists, which explains
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> Richo wrote:
>> On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I was recently debating with a theist about burden of Proof lying on
>>> Theists and not Atheists since they first made the claim of God.
>>>
>>> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
>>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
>>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>
>
> And those who never learn any better, remain atheists, which explains
> Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Junk
How 'bout Che Guevara?
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJ3t5L7lRg
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHV3km9A
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkl9tLB9E_Y
bob young
Jimbo wrote:
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bob young
John Smith wrote:
fastnerd wil never admit anything
other than being a fool
bob young
Virgil wrote:
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[And I normally refrain from insults here - but he is an exception]
>
>
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>
> --
> Virgil
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
Why not just say wanker because that's too long a word for him to
understand?
In Brave New World Aldous Huxler described it as "surreptitious
autoeroticism".
But either way as a troll he's a master baiter.
Jimbo
>
> - Show quoted text -
I typically just ignore him now. He's proven to be particularly
ignorant.
fasgnadh
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:41:59 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT), Richo
>> <m.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
>>>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
>>>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with the application of the definition of atheist to
>>> beings not *capable* of belief.
But if it wasn't.. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ATHEISTS!!!
>>> A complete innocent - someone who has never heard of God cannot
>>> believe or disbelieve - the concept doesn't apply.
>>> So a baby, a rock or a tomato cannot be a theist nor can it be an
>>> atheist.
>> The a- prefix makes it binary. They are certainly not theist.
>>
>> They are TRIVIALLY atheist.
>>
>> Why keep ignoring the "trivially"?
>>
>> The day they discover that theists exist, their state of not believing
>> in something doesn't change.
>>
>> All that happens is that the fact that people believe something, gets
>> added to their experience base.
>
> The point here is neither belief or the absence thereof but
> the capacity for either.
>
> It may be technically correct to refer to a baby as atheist,
> but it is misleading because "X is an atheist" is a
> statement on a person's worldview -- which a baby is
> incapable of.
>
But atheists will never accept such REASON, because they are desperate
to boost their pitiful numbers and to do so they claim BABIES are
atheists, COMA PATIENTS are atheists, THE MENTALLY DEFECTIVE are
atheists, the elderly with Alzheimers are atheists and even dog
shit and snot are atheists, because none of them have the brains
to formulate a rational theistic or even agnostic viewpoint! B^D
>
>
>>>> But he claims that they are born with a lack of belief in existence of
>>>> God and also lack of belief in non existence of God which makes them
>>>> Agnostics.
>>>>
>>> No that's wrong.
>>> Agnosticism is a belief about knowledge and the possibility of
>>> knowledge.
>>>
>>>> But my point is, the God concept is an extraordinary claim and until
>>>> it is first introduced to you, there can be no such thing as a lack of
>>>> belief in its non existentiality.
>>>>
>>>> What is your opinion?
>>> To describe a rock as a non smoker - because it doesn't smoke or as a
>>> vegetarian - because it doesn't eat meat - or an atheist because it
>>> doesn't believe in god - is to apply labels and concepts to things
>>> outside their scope - its just gibberish.
>> People wouldn't describe rocks as atheists or non-smokers unless some
>> idiot raised the context of them being smokers or theists.
>>
>> Which usually happens when they can't grasp that kids don't believe
>> until they are taught to, and that if they aren't taught it they
>> remain in exactly the same sate of not believing that they were born
>> with.
>
> Let's not forget the distinct possibility of environmental
> absorption. A great deal of the knowledge that kids learn
> is acquired by osmosis, by observing adults and their
> surroundings and internalising whatever information or
> behavioural cues they glean from that. This would not
> constitute active teaching, but it can and does open the
> door widely to a diffuse awareness of something other,
> supernatural. And as much as you may wish to deny this, it
> remains a fact that our society and culture -- as much as
> any other -- is suffused with religious cues, with hints and
> references to divine beings, with pointers to belief and
> worship which are inevitably incorporated into the worldview
> of children as they are being socialised and accultured.
And that occurs because Spiritual values create and sustain
civilisation, and mankinfd, with the exception of a small number of
atheists, can appreciate the difference between religious truth,
which has produced our civilisation, and atheism which has produced
nothing.. except a handful of vile atheist TYRANNIES and a grave-yard
full of 60-100 million victims of atheist regimes!
Naturally religion suffuses culture, as you have admitted.
60% of the Old Testament Laws are directly embedded in our
secular Laws.
You cannot raise children who are not deeply affected by
living in societies shaped by the Word Of God.
The crazy part is that you would want to! B^D
Given that we have all see what your Atheist
Alternative looks like:
The Cultural Devolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
Nth korean military parade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv7wMk9oThI
> They may decide not to accept them at face value, they may
> even decide to reject them outright, but they still ave to
> live with them because they form an integral part of their
> cultural language.
It's called CIVILISATION, why do you want to deconstruct it?
And even then, religion will automatically arise, as it
did in the past, out of peoples experience of the world..
What next, will you want to blind children so they can't see the
natural world and experience the WONDER of which Einstein spoker? B^p
> I also suspect you underestimate basic human psychology. As
> a species, we are frightfully credulous.
You are now speaking of atheists.
The rest of the world at least had the sense to worship
a plausible Deity, the morons the atheists have worshipped,
Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim ill fuk, are sufficient proof
of the gullibility of atheists!
> We are disposed by
> natural inclination to give credence to all manner of
> intangibles, unprovables and the plain impossible to the
> point where we will let such beliefs influence if not even
> dictate our behaviour and choices.
Were that the case it would be better to place faith
in an abstract of Goodness and Love, not some Cult
leader in an Atheist tyranny!
Q.E.D.
> The fact therefore that
> someone does not subscribe to the organised belief in a
> deity does not by itself make that person any more rational
> than a god-botherer,
You only have to read the atheists posts in alt.atheism to see that!
> nor does it deny the fundamental aspect
> of his psyche which is programmed to believe in the
> existence of something, anything, outside our direct
> observation and reality. The difference between believing
> in guardian angels, Lady Luck or Murphy's Law and declaring
> one's affiliation to a church/temple/mosque is one of degree
> of organisation, no more.
Atheist beliefs are amongst the most irrational and dangerous;
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
# after being refused permission to put atheist
# advertising on buses." - The Age 29/1/2009
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
# we're not one," Dr Perkins said."
__________________________
"Court rules atheism a religion
Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's
right to start study group
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45874
"
A federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin
prison officials violated an inmate's rights because
they did not treat atheism as a religion.
"Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that
he wanted to start was religious in nature even though
it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being," the
7th Circuit Court of Appeals said."
Now all it needs is a REFORMATION to drag it out
of the Dark Age of irrational superstition, as
was evidenced in EVERY Atheist regime, and into the
Modern Era!
# "it makes utterly no difference which goddesses or gods
# you believe in, as long as you have some...
# Me, I'd suggest Bastet." - Cary Kittrell
#
# (has he misspelled 'Kitten'? ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h-ZqcPl7rI
The Atheist Catechism:
Published as part of the Official "Atheist Quote of the Month" liturgy
where all the Atheists gather to affirm what best expresses their beliefs:
# Subject: aa - The Polls are Open! AQOTM for Nov 2008
# Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:10:11 -0500
# From: *nemo* <nemo...@earthlink.diespam.com>
# Message-ID: <aKedndoPx4epAbPU...@earthlink.com>
#
# 1) The universe is ruled by a wizard, a zombie, and a ghost.
# Only the ghost is with us now, even though
# the zombie shacks up in our gall bladders and the wizard
# is omnipresent. You'll want to stay on the wizard's good
# side, because he has this thing for the aroma of
# flame-broiled human flesh. Oh, and this ripple and
# this Wheat Thin will turn into chunks of the zombie
# if a designated wizard's apprentice casts a spell on them.
# Thus enchanted, the cracker can be used to reveal the
# true demonic nature of Jews, much as a garlic pizza
# could out vampires (if we believed in such things,
# which we don't cuz that would be silly, dontcha know).
# We know these things to be true despite having not
# one damn reason to believe any of them.
#
# Authior By: DuhIdiot (Atheist )
# Nominated: Christopher A Lee (Atheist )
# Seconded: AZ Nomad (Atheist )
#
# Supported by the following card-carrying
# atheists:
#
# DuhIdiot (Atheist )
# Christopher A Lee (Atheist )
# AZ Nomad (Atheist )
# Robibnikoff (Atheist )
# Kilmir (Atheist )
# Smiler (Atheist )
# Douglas Berry (Atheist )
# pbamvv (Atheist )
# Uncle Vic (Atheist )
# johac (Atheist )
# Louis 14 (Atheist )
# Frank Mayhar (Atheist )
# Tim McGauchy (Atheist )
# Vipera Berus (Atheist )
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing
� they believe in anything." - G.K. Chesterton:
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>> On Jun 26, 7:33 pm, harsha <harsha....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I said Atheism is a lack of belief in God and since everyone is born
> >>>> without any idea of God until they are first introduced to this
> >>>> Theistic claim, everyone is an Atheist to begin with.
> >>>
> >>> I don't agree with the application of the definition of atheist to
> >>> beings not *capable* of belief.
>
> But if it wasn't.. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ATHEISTS!!!
Many atheists at one time believed in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or
other myths. But eventually learned that those myths were just myths.
And carried that analogy over to myths of various gods.
>
> The Atheist Catechism:
Atheists are much too independent as thinkers to have any "Catechism"
that they can agree on.
Seems quite as reasonable as any theist myth. But atheists don't believe
in mere myths.
--
Virgil
bob young
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:
. . . .and a master of crap also.
Best avoided at all costs
Hatter
There is no such thing as a troll destroyer. There are troll refuters,
which is to say there are troll feeders. Sometimes I do not remember
this fact myself.
Hatter
bob young
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