"They Left Me to Rot"
Moderator
here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a
shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would
continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine
sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to
Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
“When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because
they left me to rot," as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a
manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the
layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”
http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-shooting-suspect-Jason-Rodriguez-They-left-me-to-rot
“..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am
blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent
that he could not always keep to himself…”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD9BQJ3HG0
Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly
bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims.
President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef
and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the
military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would
caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for
another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which
was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet
another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher
than normal cancer risk by survivors.
“..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her
family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from
the Nazis.
Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near-
death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face
another peril decades after the war.
"Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to
the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in
life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the
November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long-
term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study
authors….”
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index.html
Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of
people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or
acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time
and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people
during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a
diversity issue to consider.
Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about
their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships
brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective
these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is
surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden
and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to
address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the
nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the
words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced
significant change in the past century, it appears men are still
cannon fodder.
Roy
> How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many
> here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a
> shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would
> continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine
> sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to
> Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
>
> “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because
> they left me to rot," as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a
> manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the
>
> “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am
> blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent
>
> Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly
> bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims.
> President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef
> and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the
> military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would
> caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
>
> As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for
> another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which
> was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet
> another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher
> than normal cancer risk by survivors.
>
> “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her
> family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from
> the Nazis.
> Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near-
> death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face
> another peril decades after the war.
> "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to
> the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in
> life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the
> November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
> Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long-
> term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study
>
> Given the current state of the economy and the rampant volume of
> people’s suffering while the authorities seem reluctant to examine or
> acknowledge what average people are gong through, we still have time
> and resources to reminisce about the suffering of one group of people
> during the second world war. In the case above, the JNCI may have a
> diversity issue to consider.
>
> Men have been complaining in near silence for over a decade about
> their plight in Family Court and dealing with economic hardships
> brought on by continuous boom and bust cycles. From their perspective
> these tragic stories can’t be surprising. In fact, this author is
> surprised there are so few tragedies given the extent of the burden
> and placed us coupled with the lack of understanding or willingness to
> address the problems. It is certainly enough to make men question the
> nature of their current reality and wonder if they’ve been in the
> words of Rodriguez, “left to rot”.
>
> Where seemingly ever other group in this society have experienced
> significant change in the past century, it appears men are still
> cannon fodder.
Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you
little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this
perpetual public whine.
==
abelard
>Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you
>little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this
>perpetual public whine.
you're obviously a useless loser...
would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
'emptyidiot' would be a good example
--
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
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Roy
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>
> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you
> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this
> >perpetual public whine.
>
> you're obviously a useless loser...
> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
>
> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example
>
> --
> energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
> all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
> the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
> good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
> only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
==
abelard
wrote:
>On Nov 7, 11:53�am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>>
>> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you
>> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this
>> >perpetual public whine.
>>
>> you're obviously a useless loser...
>> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
>>
>> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example
>For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
you forgot to change your nym
and you can't handle your posting software
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics
energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:26 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 7, 11:53 am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>
> >> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you
> >> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this
> >> >perpetual public whine.
>
> >> you're obviously a useless loser...
> >> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
>
> >> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example
> >For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
>
> you forgot to change your nym
> and you can't handle your posting software
>
> --
> energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
> all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
> the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
> good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
> only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
==
"Handle", WTF are you yattering about now?
==
abelard
wrote:
>On Nov 7, 12:07�pm, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:26 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 7, 11:53�am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:47:54 -0800 (PST), Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
>>
>> >> >Still feeling sorry for yourself as usual, eh? Get a backbone you
>> >> >little weasel, go find a job and support your kids and quit this
>> >> >perpetual public whine.
>>
>> >> you're obviously a useless loser...
>> >> would you please change your nym to something easier to killfile
>>
>> >> 'emptyidiot' would be a good example
>> >For Khrist sake, shut your stupid pie hole...you are still an idiot.
>>
>> you forgot to change your nym
>> and you can't handle your posting software
>"Handle", WTF are you yattering about now?
you are an obvious loser...
the last thing i will do is interfere with your natural state
you earned and fully deserve your status
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics
energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Masculist
> How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many
> here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a
> shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would
> continue). Rodriguez was divorced, last employed making submarine
> sandwiches and claiming bankruptcy. Hasan was faced with deployment to
> Afghanistan. The “newsreels” also showed the plight of
>
> “When one reporter asked Rodriguez why he did it, he said, "Because
> they left me to rot,"
The Carpenter movie "They Live" captured the effects of the ruling
"Lizards", ie feminists in this respect. Our sexual natures, as
demonstrated here by "Roy", makes it difficult to identify the problem
and therefore confront it. We need special glasses like in "They
Live" to see it. When we get them the Roy's of the world need to put
them on.
Good article Moderator.
Tom
> as reported by the AP… Renato Gonzalez, a
> manager at the firm said, "I know that we was not very happy with the
> layoff. He took a little worse than most people."..”http://www.examiner.com/x-19663-LA-Legal-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Orlando-...
>
> “..He was by turns caring and contentious, a man quick to say "I am
> blessed" in casual greeting yet one who seemed to stew in discontent
> that he could not always keep to himself…”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0e...
>
> Yet with these and more horrific stories making the news, seemingly
> bereft of any notion that perpetrators are themselves victims.
> President Obama went on television, to give voice to a nation in greef
> and with regard to the Hasan case and over concerns of Arabs in the
> military stated, “"We don't know all of the answers yet. I would
> caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all of the facts"http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736187.htm
>
> As I was rummaging through the vast amount of news articles for
> another heart-wrenching story about a man living out of his van which
> was televised on CNN Headline news, my attention was captured by yet
> another holocaust story. This time it’s a report indicating a higher
> than normal cancer risk by survivors.
>
> “..Crumbs and decomposed food sickened Betty Potash Gold and her
> family members, causing diarrhea and bloody vomiting, as they hid from
> the Nazis.
> Although Gold lived through extreme hunger, mental duress and near-
> death experiences during the Holocaust, she and other survivors face
> another peril decades after the war.
> "Jewish survivors of World War II who were potentially exposed to
> the Holocaust were at a higher risk for cancer occurrence later on in
> life than those not exposed," concluded a study published in the
> November issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
> Intense calorie deprivation, such as what Gold experienced, has long-
> term effects on survivors, said Dr. Micha Barchana, one of the study
> authors….”http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index....
Moderator
>
> - Show quoted text -
Let me see if I’ve got this straight. You personally relate and
empathize with the post but rather than support the view of its
content, you choose antagonism as a more effective means of addressing
the problems. Ok, I’ve got it. Thanks.
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, it was a very good article. "Moderator" likes to "play to the
audience" with his moans and groans about how society has fucked him
around. Instead of sitting at his keyboard and posting the same drool
for months on end, why doesn't he seek some help from competent social
agencies?
Obviously WE can't help him as he loves to wallow in his mire of self-
hate and failure.
Whenever anyone gives advice, he promptly calls them idiots and
dismisses them...as he really isn't interested in a solution for his
problems and just wants to strike out at his ex-wife and society in
general.
==
Moderator
I'll make sure to go through the decade of posts and carefully look
for any advice that I have dismissed. While I'm doing that we can all
be assured that any problems individuals are experiencing are due
solely to their own shortcomings and nothing external or systemic.
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
With all of the time wasted on this NG, you could have solved your
problems by now if you had any gumption.
==
Moderator
Lack of gumption? Great. That should be easy to correct. Lord knows it
can't be anything else that explains a global disparity of wealth. lol
“…Kerry was a preschool teacher until a year ago, when her world caved
in. "I got sick," she told me. "Ulcerative colitis. Ended up losing my
job, and ended up here. Ran out of health insurance and money and this
is what happened."
John, a shy young man who used to work as a barber, told a rambling
story about bad breaks, crooked employers and jobs that didn’t pan
out. Now he passes the time playing with two pigeons he rescued and
tamed as pets..”
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/10/20091019205530422375.html
retardsman
> On Nov 7, 9:22 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 6:56 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 7, 3:01 pm, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the
system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them
in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the
millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of
grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
bullshit
i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i
saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and
everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted
females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control
this nation, under coercion by the government
those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did
that for decades and they still got trampled
no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
Roy
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
>
> yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
>
> trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the
> system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them
> in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
>
> those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the
> millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of
> grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
>
> bullshit
>
> i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i
> saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and
> everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted
> females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control
> this nation, under coercion by the government
>
> those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did
> that for decades and they still got trampled
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
==
female engineering students who were "competing" with him. That solved
the problem, didn't it?
You are an idiot.
==
Masculist
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
>
> yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
>
> trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the
> system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them
> in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
>
> those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the
> millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of
> grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
>
> bullshit
>
> i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i
> saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and
> everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted
> females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control
> this nation, under coercion by the government
>
> those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did
> that for decades and they still got trampled
>
> no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
That's tellin him ray! Fortunately there aren't many Roy's around
anymore and the ones who are around are working for and benfitting
from feminism. Everyone spots the assholes nowadays and come the
revolution....see if your master feminists can save you then Roy.
Tom
retardsman
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > yeah, wheres your Gumption?! eh?
>
> > yeah yeah thats it, No Gumption is the problem!
>
> > trouble is, Roy, youre talking to folks who DID struggle thru the
> > system, and often excelled at whatever they did, but it stabbed them
> > in the back (quite repeatedly) to serve its idols of Woman and Dollar
>
> > those tens of million of guys forced out of jobs by Femland? the
> > millions purposely excluded from higher education in favor of
> > grrrlls. . . thats down to their lack of Gumption?
>
> > bullshit
>
> > i've been on those job sites, in those offices and classrooms, and i
> > saw EXACTLY what went down, and it had nada to do with Gumption, and
> > everything to do with massive forced social engineering that permitted
> > females and weakling males (like your fine self no doubt) to control
> > this nation, under coercion by the government
>
> > those guys arent buying your Pull Up Your Bootstraps crap, they did
> > that for decades and they still got trampled
>
> > no, Roy, the old Be A Man gambit aint cutting it no mo
>
> That's tellin him ray! Fortunately there aren't many Roy's around
> anymore and the ones who are around are working for and benfitting
> from feminism. Everyone spots the assholes nowadays and come the
> revolution....see if your master feminists can save you then Roy.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
thats telling him tom! ;O)
sigh
only 300 million left to go........
Masculist
At least when they see me coming they shut their pieholes <smile>,
well, except for a few dummies like Roy.
Tom
Day
> How callously dismissive the authorities are being toward what many
> here would consider tragically common. Two men snap and go on a
> shooting spree (which may posters here have warned for years would
> continue).
Robt Kaplan, "Imperial Grunts" notes half the Green Berets grew up on
family farms. This is but 1% of the total population providing 50% of
the nation's most competent soldiers. You'd think the Pentagon would
notice. Or at least read military history, going all the way back to the
Romans, who realized soldiers who grew up in the city were not nearly as
emotionally stable and reliable as the farm boys.
I could, and often have, go on about why this is so. But we are where we
are, and its only going to get worse. The number of cops who flip out is
going up as well. Part of the reason we call it 'going postal' is the
rigid power structures the military, police, and postal service have,
and how that attracts psyches that need draconian control, but also
better case management.
But there's not enuf case managers. Corporations pay them much more to
do personnel selection and management.
It would help to not send Christian soldiers into a Muslim culture.
Islam has been fighting Christianity for 1200 years, and they know how
to do it. It is secularists they are really afraid of, who will not
martyr them, but put them on meds to send home to their mommas where
they will be good boys.
B J Foster
The Russians were incompetent at managing the Beslan school hostage crisis:
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/childrenbeslan/
But they got one thing right - reportedly sending the Chechnyan
terrorists home in pigskin bodybags.
Nic
I'm thinking that UK (only) is a multi cultural civilization anyways.
USA use English language? American English and USA English are slighly
diffrent. The Politics are so diffrent. USA is closer to South America
politically that to Middle East. Subjects and history will be debated
as is? but we all have the right to thrive non the less?
UK is a very small place, and I suppose the attitude is that the Brits
cant afford to bring small debates into language that are really
smaller and very intense?
National service is voluntary in UK as necessary, and I just cant see
we just can't afford to lose.
There aught to be some stablity in the US that can be a touch point
for every person in their land.
The Holy Bible has an old testament and a New one.
Jesus is in the New testament?
In the UK there are also old lores regards deformation and privacy,
regards the rights of people and settlements in the lands. We respect
(or have had a respectful view of the united 'settlements over several
thousands of years)