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david fass

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Jul 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/27/99
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Can anyone recommend a book that presents the case for
anti-realism well? Who are (or were) the key anti-realist
thinkers?

Thanks.

-- Dave

Aaron-Dirk Boyden

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Jul 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/27/99
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david fass wrote:
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> Can anyone recommend a book that presents the case for
> anti-realism well? Who are (or were) the key anti-realist
> thinkers?

Anti-realist about what? Theoretical entities in science? Platonic
objects in mathematics? Ethical properties? Everything?

I think Bas van Fraassen's _The Scientific Image_ is perhaps the best
place to start looking at scientific anti-realism. Lots of people are
mathematical anti-realists, and it's hard to think of anyone who stands
out particularly. In ethics, I'm not up on the latest work; Gilbert
Harman's _The Nature of Morality_ (if I even remember the title
correctly) is pretty old and so quite possibly dated, but definitely an
interesting work. For global anti-realism, the person to look at is
definitely Crispin Wright, if you can bear his impenetrable prose. He's
got at least a couple of books dealing primarily with this subject.

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Aaron Boyden

"It is wrong always, everywhere and for anyone, to believe
anything upon insufficient evidence." W. K. Clifford

Tom Norback

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Jul 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/27/99
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david fass wrote in message <379DFD71...@mathworks.com>...

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>Can anyone recommend a book that presents the case for
>anti-realism well? Who are (or were) the key anti-realist
>thinkers?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-- Dave

Reality is somebody's agenda. An anti-realist is anyone who disagrees.

Tom Norback

Gary H. Merrill

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Jul 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/27/99
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Right on bro' !!! Don't knuckle under to the man!! Reality is an
illusion. Opiate of the masses. And so on.

-- Gary Merrill

Gary H. Merrill

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Jul 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/27/99
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david fass wrote:
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> Can anyone recommend a book that presents the case for
> anti-realism well? Who are (or were) the key anti-realist
> thinkers?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Dave

Bas Van Fraassen. I haven't read his recent stuff (since I got out of
the philosophy game and became an engineer), but we used to communicate
quite a bit since we have pretty much the same view. The easiest thing
would be to look at a few of his books. Otherwise I could post a short
bibliography of his and mine, but it would be about 15 years old at this
point.

Also, Arthur Fine tells me he has a nice little book in which he
discusses various realist/anti-realist issues. I also haven't read it,
but as I recall it is pretty inexpensive ($20?). And Arthur is a sharp
guy. I think he tends more towards a realist view, but not a simplistic
one. Check amazon.com.

-- Gary Merrill

david fass

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Thanks. I'll check out Van Fraassen strait away.

Amazon.com turns up a Fine book with the title "The Shaky Game :
Einstein, Realism, and the Quantum Theory." Do you think that's
the right one?

Thanks.

-- Dave

Tom Norback

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Gary H. Merrill wrote in message <379E4340...@mindspring.com>...

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>
>Tom Norback wrote:
>>
>> david fass wrote in message <379DFD71...@mathworks.com>...
>> >
>> >Can anyone recommend a book that presents the case for
>> >anti-realism well? Who are (or were) the key anti-realist
>> >thinkers?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >
>> >-- Dave
>>
>> Reality is somebody's agenda. An anti-realist is anyone who disagrees.
>>
>> Tom Norback
>
>Right on bro' !!! Don't knuckle under to the man!! Reality is an
>illusion. Opiate of the masses. And so on.
>
>-- Gary Merrill

Presumably this was meant as derision. If so then it is a little too close
to racism for my taste. Or maybe you meant people to understand "right on
bro" and "the man" as a comic allusion not to any specific group of people,
just people you don't take seriously. Either way I thank you for
demonstrating my point.

Tom Norback

Gary H. Merrill

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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Tom Norback wrote:

> Presumably this was meant as derision. If so then it is a little too close
> to racism for my taste. Or maybe you meant people to understand "right on
> bro" and "the man" as a comic allusion not to any specific group of people,
> just people you don't take seriously. Either way I thank you for
> demonstrating my point.

Well, I can't imagine how it's construed as racism (which race, by the
way?), but that's up to you. It was intended as humor. I was there in
the 60s and that was the rhetoric. Glad to see you bringing back the
old sentiments. But perhaps you take yourself just a bit too seriously.

And yes, I don't take you seriously.

-- Gary Merrill

Gary H. Merrill

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Jul 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/28/99
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david fass wrote:
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> Thanks. I'll check out Van Fraassen strait away.
>
> Amazon.com turns up a Fine book with the title "The Shaky Game :
> Einstein, Realism, and the Quantum Theory." Do you think that's
> the right one?

I think that's it. Arthur (who was my wife's dissertation advisor!)
wouldn't send me a free copy. The paperback is $17.95.

-- Gary

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Jul 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/29/99
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Tom Norback wrote:

<snip>

> >Right on bro' !!! Don't knuckle under to the man!! Reality is an
> >illusion. Opiate of the masses. And so on.

<snip>

> Presumably this was meant as derision. If so then it is a little too close
> to racism for my taste. Or maybe you meant people to understand "right on
> bro" and "the man" as a comic allusion not to any specific group of people,
> just people you don't take seriously. Either way I thank you for
> demonstrating my point.

pratt ...

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