The Politics of Hunger
Immortalist
the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of food;
rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food distribution
networks or from governmental policies in the developing world.
Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own
people, but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World
Bank prevent this from happening.
But the World Bank itself claims to be part of the solution to hunger,
claiming that the best way for countries to succeed in breaking the
cycle of poverty and hunger is to build export-led economies that will
give them the financial means to buy foodstuffs on the world market.
Rod Speed
> 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005
Hell of a lot less than there used to be, and many of them are
stupid enough to let some fool like Kim Jong Il rule the roost etc.
> and the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
Thats a lie.
> Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of food;
Its never the lack of food world wide in modern times.
> rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food distribution networks
More from civil war and civil chaos making it had to supply food etc.
> or from governmental policies in the developing world.
Wrong. The problem in the 'developing world' is that the buggers breed
like flys and are too stupid to control the number of kids they have.
> Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
> city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own people,
Thats very arguable with some places like Iceland etc.
And with plenty of others like Saudi etc it makes absolutely no sense
to feed their own people when they can trade oil for food to do that.
> but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
> institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and
> the World Bank prevent this from happening.
Pigs arse it does.
> But the World Bank itself claims to be part of the solution to hunger,
> claiming that the best way for countries to succeed in breaking the
> cycle of poverty and hunger is to build export-led economies that will
> give them the financial means to buy foodstuffs on the world market.
And that approach does make sense for those that can export.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger
Rupert
> 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005 and
> the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
>
> Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of food;
> rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food distribution
> networks or from governmental policies in the developing world.
>
> Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
> city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own
> people, but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
> institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World
> Bank prevent this from happening.
>
Putting up barriers to free trade would not be a very good way to help
the world's poor. It may be that each country is able to produce
enough food to feed its current population, but people need to be able
to buy the stuff. Free trade gives them more opportunities to earn the
money to do this.
masonc
<rupertm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Aug 12, 12:25 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005 and
>> the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
>>
>> Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of food;
>> rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food distribution
>> networks or from governmental policies in the developing world.
>>
>> Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
>> city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own
>> people, but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
>> institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World
>> Bank prevent this from happening.
>>
>
>Putting up barriers to free trade would not be a very good way to help
>the world's poor. It may be that each country is able to produce
>enough food to feed its current population, but people need to be able
>to buy the stuff. Free trade gives them more opportunities to earn the
>money to do this.
>
That is one of those *great ideas* that may not apply on Planet Earth.
Pat Sweeney
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:14:54 -0700 (PDT), Rupert
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> <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 12, 12:25 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005 and
> >> the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
>
> >> Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of food;
> >> rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food distribution
> >> networks or from governmental policies in the developing world.
>
> >> Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
> >> city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own
> >> people, but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
> >> institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World
> >> Bank prevent this from happening.
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> >Putting up barriers to free trade would not be a very good way to help
> >the world's poor. It may be that each country is able to produce
> >enough food to feed its current population, but people need to be able
> >to buy the stuff. Free trade gives them more opportunities to earn the
> >money to do this.
>
> That is one of those *great ideas* that may not apply on Planet Earth.
>
What about freedom "from" choice?
a victim of collision on the open sea
nobody ever said that life was free
sank, swam, go down with the ship
but use your freedom of choice
i'll say it again in the land of the free
use your freedom of choice
your freedom of choice
in ancient rome there was a poem
about a dog who found two bones
he picked at one
he licked the other
he went in circles
he dropped dead
freedom of choice
is what you got
freedom of choice!
then if you got it you don't want it
seems to be the rule of thumb
don't be tricked by what you see
you got two ways to go
i'll say it again in the land of the free
use your freedom of choice
freedom of choice
freedom of choice
is what you got
freedom of choice!
in ancient rome
there was a poem
about a dog
who found two bones
he picked at one
he licked the other
he went in circles
he dropped dead
freedom of choice
is what you got
freedom from choice
is what you want
(repeat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGINIsLnqU&ob=av2e
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
We Will Always Be a AAA Nation
-- OBAMA'10
People understand, Politicians need to raise money
-- OBAMA'10, as the stock market melted down
If a President of the United States
ever lied to the American people he should resign.
-- William J. Clinton, 1974
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/144709.jpg
Supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
Rev. Jay Scott Newman'08 on OBAMA.
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
The world should be
VERY CONCERNED about the OBAMA's sequel.
http://www.hillarythemovie.com/trailer.html
http://www.paragraph11.com/images/all/Paragraph11-Clinton-Joker.jpg
CTHILLARY::2012, We were WARNED.
If WAR be HELL, what comes AFTER?
She STILL has SUCH sights to show you.
http://omglog.com/thomas/archives/4083
DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY. IMPEACH BARACK OBAMA.
---
LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/28/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-moral-
concession-to-evil/
Barack Obama’s Moral Concession to Evil
American presidents who declare that they will bow to the demands of
dictators who threaten American citizens are declaring that there is
nothing they will not betray. For those who were disturbed by President
Obama’s diffidence in the face of Qaddafi’s wickedness, it’s worse than
you think. The ramifications of Mr. Obama’s actions will outlive whatever
happens in Tripoli.
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dinesh-DSouza/dp/1596986255
THE ROOTS OF OBAMA's RAGE
The real Obama is a man shaped by experiences far different from those
of most Americans; he is a much stranger, more determined, and
exponentially more dangerous man than you’d ever imagined. He is not
motivated by the civil rights struggles of African Americans in the
1960s those battles leave him wholly untouched. He is not motivated by
the socialist or Marxist propaganda that hypnotized a whole generation
of wooly minded academics and condescending liberals those concepts
also leave him cold.
What really motivates Barack Obama is an inherited rage an often
masked, but profound rage that comes from his African father; an
anticolonialist rage against Western dominance, and most especially
against the wealth and power of the very nation Barack Obama now leads.
It is this rage that explains the previously inexplicable, and that
gives us a startling look at what might lie ahead.
In The Roots of Obama’s Rage you’ll learn: Why Obama’s economic
policies are actually designed to make America poorer compared to the
rest of the world Why Obama will welcome a nuclear Iran Why Obama sees
America as a rogue nation worse than North Korea The real reason Obama
banished a bust of Winston Churchill from the White House and ordered
NASA to praise the scientific contributions of Muslims Why Obama would
like to make America’s superpower status a thing of the past
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-
private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html
HOW OBAMA THINKS
Barack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation,
perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is
back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the
trillions. He has expanded the federal government's control over home
mortgages, investment banking, health care, autos and energy.
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY CAN AND MUST BE DEFEATED.
EVIL HAS NO POWER WHEN THE GOOD REMAIN UNAFRAID.
Perseus
To agree with this thesis, I should have to accept this planet is a
cornucopia one. .
The Greeks had also their "makaron nesoi" or "happy islands". In
those islands, it never was extreme heat or cold, and the land
provided three harvest of grain a year, without doing any tilling. A
nice breezed refreshed the people during the summer. The story about
the happy islands never said if there existed any trouble at all with
overpopulation. Then just imagine an island of this sort, with a
thousand square miles of surface. Just image that about a 10% of the
surface could provide some grain and, and the rest some grazing
mountains. Then 10 persons of both sexes arrived to this paradisaical
island and began to reproduce at a rate of 2.5% a year (this is rather
common in poor countries of America and Africa). When they arrived to
this island it was not inhabited. Now how many people would be in 200
years if they grow at 2.5% a year? 10*(1.025)^200=1,395 persons. It
is not much for a thousand square miles.
But could happen after a 500 years? Let me see, 10*(1.025)^500=2.3
millions
It seems to me these 2.3 millions are too many millions for an island
of a 1,000 square miles. Then, a lot of time before this point, they
would be going to have serious problems. In about 450 years they
would be like 670 thousand people. And this is too many people for a
thousand miles with a 10% of farming land. Then, well before this
moment, would be a lot of troubles and small wars among the
inhabitants of the happy islands, I suppose.
So, I was seriously angry with those people that are telling stories
like this one of you, about the people suffering of hunger in the
world. The most countries where there is most people is suffering of
hunger, are in Africa. But in Africa had been growing in the last 100
years at 1.9 % a year. It passed in 1,900 from being 114 million to
being 760 in year 2,000 it is a multiplication by 6.66 in hundred
years. Then, it would kind of miraculous if there were not be some
hunger here and there, as some countries had been growing at 2.5 and 3
% a year during the last 50 years. I feel very bad, that someone is
trying to make me feel bad for this hunger.
Why I think this is too much? It is very easy, and you only need to
know a little bit of maths to understand it. Just imagine that the
only humans of our same type, come out of Africa 70,000 years ago.
And let us assume they were a mere 1,000 people. The got out of
Africa to conquer the world. Well, the population of the planet in the
year 1,800 were 1 billion. Let's do some computing.
Time of growth 70,000 years
1,000,000,000/1,000=1,000,000
Then (Log 10^6)/70,000=8.57 (10^-5) Let me call this number B
So, 10^B =1.000197 that is rate of 197 persons per million people a
year.
So slow can be a "natural rate of growth".
We can verify this: (1.000197)^70,000= 1 million that multiplied by
the original population of a thousand people makes a billion.
You can think there could had been a lot more people in Africa than
the thousand people that emigrated out. Well, they emigrated because
they had some sort of crisis. But if in the planet were more people,
something like 100,000 persons, by example, then the growth in 70,000
years had been a little slower.
How much? It is easy. (Log 10,000)/70,000=8.16 (10-7)
Then, 10^8.16(10^-7)=1.000164 That makes 164 people per million
It is a slower rate of growth.
Then if we divide 164 by 197 = 0.83 that is an 83% rate of growth.
It is not a great difference.
Then, we are living a singular point in history, in which machines and
the use of fossils fuels had permitted a great increase in the
production of food and cheap means to distribute it around the world.
Then, do not ask for more technological miracles. Ask for a
population control in this planet.
Anyway, if the fossil fuels are going to be soon exhausted, we are
really busted, even with the help of a lot of nuclear power stations.
Rod speed thinks these damned nuclear power stations would save
humanity from starvation and even from a global thermonuclear war.
Perseus
Perseus
> On Aug 12, 12:25 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005 and
> > the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
>
> > Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of food;
> > rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food distribution
> > networks or from governmental policies in the developing world.
>
> > Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
> > city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own
> > people, but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
> > institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World
> > Bank prevent this from happening.
>
> Putting up barriers to free trade would not be a very good way to help
> the world's poor. It may be that each country is able to produce
> enough food to feed its current population, but people need to be able
> to buy the stuff. Free trade gives them more opportunities to earn the
> money to do this.
It is not either a problem of existing barriers to the trade of
grain. The trouble is those nations that had nothing to sell in
exchange for this grain. I was observing that most hunger are nations
on the Sahel belt, at the south of Sahara. These nations had not any
valuable minerals to sell in exchange for food. Then, if they are
growing as fast a many nations, it is not any riddle to understand why
they are suffering hunger. They are living in a region with very
poor rains. They passed some years with good rain, then more with a
severe drought.
Perseus
Perseus
<ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov> wrote:
> We Will Always Be a AAA Nation
> -- OBAMA'10
>
> People understand, Politicians need to raise money
> -- OBAMA'10, as the stock market melted down
>
> If a President of the United States
> ever lied to the American people he should resign.
> -- William J. Clinton, 1974
>
> Supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
> Rev. Jay Scott Newman'08 on OBAMA.
>
> IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
>
> The world should be
>
> CTHILLARY::2012, We were WARNED.
> If WAR be HELL, what comes AFTER?
>
> DESERVE PEACE.
> DESERVE FREEDOM.
> DEMAND COMPETANCE.
> DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
> DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY. IMPEACH BARACK OBAMA.
> ---
> LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
> Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
> Values which one is willing to Betray.
>
this capitalist breed is playing the Russian roulette. When the
financial world collapses, the whole castle of cards would collapse
also. If they ruined farther the people of the planet to whom are
they going to fleece out?
The prediction of Marx of the collapse of the capitalism can occur
really, if they do not put some money on the markets to make people
back to work. If they continue to import cheap goods from China and
South East Asia, they would end wrecking the whole damned system they
are praying on.
Perseus
Perseus
this post it has not any sense at all. Someone suffer hunger because
the freedom of choice, or for some errors committed? They had many
children in times of plenty, than many of those children starved in
times of drought. It has nothing to do with freedom of choice. They
breed like rabbits; that is all. Is a command of nature in his most
natural condition.
Perseus
Perseus
a correction of some error
where I wrote, <Then if we divide 164 by 197 = 0.83 that is an 83%
rate of growth. >
I should have written <Then if we divide 164 by 197 = 0.83 that is an
83% a "slower" rate of growth.>
Perseus
Rod Speed
> Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005
>> and the number of hungry people has recently been increasing widely.
>> Hunger in modern times is not typically the product of a lack of
>> food; rather, hunger usually arises from problems in food
>> distribution networks or from governmental policies in the
>> developing world.
>> Every country on earth (with the possible minor exceptions of some
>> city-states) has sufficient agricultural capacity to feed its own
>> people, but the "free trade" economic order associated with such
>> institutions as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World
>> Bank prevent this from happening.
>> But the World Bank itself claims to be part of the solution to
>> hunger, claiming that the best way for countries to succeed in
>> breaking the cycle of poverty and hunger is to build export-led
>> economies that will give them the financial means to buy foodstuffs
>> on the world market.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger
> To agree with this thesis, I should have to accept this planet is a cornucopia one.
Nope, just that we can certainly feed everyone now.
> The Greeks had also their "makaron nesoi" or "happy islands".
> In those islands, it never was extreme heat or cold, and the land
> provided three harvest of grain a year, without doing any tilling.
Thats pure fantasy.
> A nice breezed refreshed the people during the summer.
> The story about the happy islands never said if there
> existed any trouble at all with overpopulation.
Because was always pure fantasy.
> Then just imagine an island of this sort, with a thousand square
> miles of surface. Just image that about a 10% of the surface
> could provide some grain and, and the rest some grazing mountains.
> Then 10 persons of both sexes arrived to this paradisaical island
> and began to reproduce at a rate of 2.5% a year (this is rather
> common in poor countries of America and Africa).
But isnt in civilised places which arent even
self replacing if you take out immigration now.
Reams of your mindless wanking with your calculator flushed where it belongs.
Rod Speed
Nope, and nothing like it either.
> When the financial world collapses, the whole castle of cards would collapse also.
Didnt happen in the great depression.
> If they ruined farther the people of the planet to whom are they going to fleece out?
Mindlessly superficial.
> The prediction of Marx of the collapse of the capitalism can occur really,
Nope, he got everything wrong.
> if they do not put some money on the markets to make people back to work.
The US has now what plenty of european countrys would love to have again.
> If they continue to import cheap goods from China and South East Asia,
> they would end wrecking the whole damned system they are praying on.
Wrong.
Sushi Fish
world population since Jesus was about 850m - 1b steadily, since the
discovery of oil in 1850, the population exploded to current 6+
billion. Oil provide many important byproducts such as plastic, tar,
fertilizer, insect killers ...
sarge
> Immortalist wrote
>
> > 850 million people worldwide were undernourished in 1999 to 2005
>
> Hell of a lot less than there used to be, and many of them are
> stupid enough to let some fool like Kim Jong Il rule the roost etc.
yes, you would have bravely rebelled against the regime there. Oh,
the lives you know you could live better than others. It must be so
frustrating for you.
Perseus
From where did you take this datum about world population in the times
of Jesus?
"The World Economy" of Angus Maddison in page 241 and Table B-10,
points to 230 million at year 0 for the whole planet. The data of
Madisson are more or less in accord with other data from
statisticians. 850 million people is 3.69 times the figure that
Angus Maddison presents. The data from most statisticians differ
about 10 or 20 % from each other. Sometimes a little more, like 30
or 50%.
Perseus
Perseus
there is an obvious parallelism between growth population, and the
growth of consumerism. Or even the growth of financial monetary mass,
and growth of money mass driven by interest rates. They are all
exponential growths. Exponential growth is pushing us towards a
catastrophe.
Perseus
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,779043,00.html
How Obama Disappointed the World
As America's first black president, Barack Obama electrified an entire
nation. But now that the nation is in crisis, he seems unable to
connect with the people. He wanted to change America and restore its
reputation in the world.
It took the rest of the world THIS LONG to recognize
the horrifying obviousness of the Truth when it was
in evidence in OBAMA/Year1, with the worst yet to come.
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/155228.JPG
Who did OBAMA let down more?
"And with Ipods and Ipads; and Xboxes and Playstations-none of which
I know how to work, information becomes a distraction, a form of
entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than a means
of emancipation."
-- OBAMA'10, explaining why he misunderestimated
the Arab-Spring and British Summer Putsch
"The time has come to set aside childish things."
-- OBAMA'09 before he declared war on the news media
discovering Political Power growing out the Barrel of a Gun
even as he quivers at the Hypothesis of Global Warming
while dismissing the fact and imminent threat of Nuclear Iran
http://www.htrnews.com/article/20110814/MAN0602/108140407/Obama-plan-America-
flawed?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s
Obama plan for America flawed
The final collapse of the American economy is so close at hand, it is
palpable. This financial stew has been brewing for 20 years and has
been brought to a boiling cauldron Barack Hussein Obama
...
The depressing fact is that this president is unconcerned because this
is his policy. His plan for America is a classless society, controlled
by big government, and all creature wants provided free.
LIBs. What price their Vision?
LIB's know that America will NOT be defeated
by its enemies, but by those who's duty it was to protect it.OBAMA.
---
http://www.theonion.com/articles/enraged-gorilla-beats-maims-luggage-
manufacturer,20547/
Enraged Gorilla Beats, Maims Luggage Manufacturer
Still furious over his inability to inflict damage upon numerous
pieces of high-quality Samsonite luggage many years ago, Bobo the
Gorilla severely pummeled Samsonite CEO Frank Jurgens into a
life-threatening coma yesterday. Bobo, a 550-pound African lowland
gorilla, became enraged upon seeing the man singularly responsible for
the development of the extraodinarily durable, long-lasting luggage.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-
private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html
HOW OBAMA THINKS
Barack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation,
perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is
back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the
trillions. He has expanded the federal government's control over home
mortgages, investment banking, health care, autos and energy.
DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY. IMPEACH BARACK OBAMA.
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
EVIL HAS NO POWER WHEN THE GOOD REMAIN UNAFRAID.
---
LIBs. What Price their Vision?
Rod Speed
>> Thats pure fantasy.
Nope. We did see massive growth in populations in India
and China millennia before consumerism was even invented.
> Or even the growth of financial monetary mass, and growth of money
> mass driven by interest rates. They are all exponential growths.
Like hell they are. NOT ONE modern first world country is
even self replacing now if you take out immigation. NOT ONE.
And the absolute vast bulk of the rest of the world is seeing
significant drops in the fertility rate. And the only ones that arent
have a fertility rate so low that they arent even self replacing now.
> Exponential growth is pushing us towards a catastrophe.
Wrong, as always.
Perseus
<ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov> wrote:
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,779043,00.html
> How Obama Disappointed the World
>
> As America's first black president, Barack Obama electrified an entire
> nation. But now that the nation is in crisis, he seems unable to
> connect with the people. He wanted to change America and restore its
> reputation in the world.
>
> It took the rest of the world THIS LONG to recognize
> the horrifying obviousness of the Truth when it was
> in evidence in OBAMA/Year1, with the worst yet to come.
President Obama is nothing more than the figurehead of the US ship
that is ruled by financiers and the Congress. And legislators in
Congress are just the slaves or minions of financiers and moguls.
To accuse Obama of this economic chaos is in accordance with the
truism that people are mostly a bunch of morons; and this is right.
But a few of these morons do not buy this assertion that Obama is
responsible of this crisis, or cannot solve it. He is not responsable
because he has not any power. It is just a figurehead on a ship that
is heading to wreck on the reefs with full its sails deployed.
Perseus
>
> http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/155228.JPG
>
> Who did OBAMA let down more?
>
> "And with Ipods and Ipads; and Xboxes and Playstations-none of which
> I know how to work, information becomes a distraction, a form of
> entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than a means
> of emancipation."
> -- OBAMA'10, explaining why he misunderestimated
> the Arab-Spring and British Summer Putsch
>
> "The time has come to set aside childish things."
> -- OBAMA'09 before he declared war on the news media
> discovering Political Power growing out the Barrel of a Gun
> even as he quivers at the Hypothesis of Global Warming
> while dismissing the fact and imminent threat of Nuclear Iran
>
> http://www.htrnews.com/article/20110814/MAN0602/108140407/Obama-plan-...
> flawed?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s
> Obama plan for America flawed
>
> The final collapse of the American economy is so close at hand, it is
> palpable. This financial stew has been brewing for 20 years and has
> been brought to a boiling cauldron Barack Hussein Obama
> ...
> The depressing fact is that this president is unconcerned because this
> is his policy. His plan for America is a classless society, controlled
> by big government, and all creature wants provided free.
>
> LIBs. What price their Vision?
> LIB's know that America will NOT be defeated
> by its enemies, but by those who's duty it was to protect it.OBAMA.
> ---http://www.theonion.com/articles/enraged-gorilla-beats-maims-luggage-
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
> Perseus wrote
>> there is an obvious parallelism between growth population, and the
>> growth of consumerism.
>
> Nope. We did see massive growth in populations in India
> and China millennia before consumerism was even invented.
>
>> Or even the growth of financial monetary mass, and growth of money
>> mass driven by interest rates. They are all exponential growths.
>
> Like hell they are. NOT ONE modern first world country is
> even self replacing now if you take out immigation. NOT ONE.
>
> And the absolute vast bulk of the rest of the world is seeing
> significant drops in the fertility rate. And the only ones that arent
> have a fertility rate so low that they arent even self replacing now.
Haiti is but a miniature of the world
and how it succumbed to LIB designs...
Oh YES! WE CAN save them all...
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/files/2009/03/botchmen.jpg
BOTCHMEN:: Sometimes the JOKE is on YOU!
http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
DEBT STAR:: This is NOT THE HOPE you have been searching for.
Perseus
"we have NOT 6 billion people, but SEVEN BILLION people already.
In the last 210 years, the population multiplied by seven. The
shortest span of time in which the population of the world multiplied
by seven it was needed more 9,878 years.
That is, in year 1,800 the world population was 1 billion.
1,000,000,000/7=142,857,142
Then, 9,878 years before AD 1,800, 143 million people became 1 billion
after this time.
With an average rate of growth of 197 persons per million a year.
then, the math prove: 1.000197^9878 = 7
Summing up, 9,878+210 = 10,088 years BP.
So, 10,088 years before present there was in this planet 143 million
people.
and in the year 1,800 CE, they had multiplied by seven, and became 1
billion
This can give us an idea about the mess in which we are at present.
Since common people began to use cars 60 years ago, the growth of gas
consumption was rising at 2.5 % a year. then, 1.025^60=4.43
we are consuming 4.43 times more gas than 60 years ago. The
accumulated consumption of gas is staggering. We have consumed about
160 times the present yearly consumption of 32 billion barrels a
year.
Perseus
Perseus
you have not the fuckest idea.
Perseus
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
...
> Since common people began to use cars 60 years ago, the growth of gas
> consumption was rising at 2.5 % a year. then, 1.025^60=4.43
> we are consuming 4.43 times more gas than 60 years ago. The
> accumulated consumption of gas is staggering. We have consumed about
> 160 times the present yearly consumption of 32 billion barrels a
> year.
The LIBs Final Solution
for ALL OF US is only too clearn
http://io9.com/5423712/crematorium-plans-to-use-burning-bodies-to-
generate-energy
Crematorium Plans to Use Burning Bodies to Generate Energy
Why not just cut out the Middle Man?
LIBs consider it your patriotic duty to Volunteer.
With people to burn and assets to seize Why Hesitate?
When the TRUTH becomes a Liability, ALL PEOPLE become the Enemy.
And to this end, the LIB aim is to pit Man against other men
until we exist no more.
PERIOD.
---
LIB's plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as it's standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.
"What causes Suicide Bombings?"
-- Bill Clinton'09
Answer:
1. Shameless Retail Politicians
who disgrace their office and betray us all
2. Open Ended Compromise before an Evil which knows none
3. Rationalization of an Evil
which has no Justification, nor does it seek any.
LIBs know that America will NOT be destroyed by its Adversaries,
but rather by those whose job it is to protect it,
this is PRECISELY WHY they not only sponsor our
Adversaries, but Actively Defend them as well.
This is Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century.
"The Road to Tyranny begins with the Destruction of the Truth"
-- Bill Clinton'95
Rod Speed
> MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE <ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov> wrote
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,779043,00.html
>> How Obama Disappointed the World
>> As America's first black president, Barack Obama electrified
>> an entire nation. But now that the nation is in crisis, he seems
>> unable to connect with the people. He wanted to change
>> America and restore its reputation in the world.
>> It took the rest of the world THIS LONG to recognize
>> the horrifying obviousness of the Truth when it was in
>> evidence in OBAMA/Year1, with the worst yet to come.
> President Obama is nothing more than the figurehead of
> the US ship that is ruled by financiers and the Congress.
Its more complicated than that, particularly with the
bailout of GM, Obamacare and the three current wars.
> And legislators in Congress are just the
> slaves or minions of financiers and moguls.
That claim is completely silly.
> To accuse Obama of this economic chaos is in accordance with the
> truism that people are mostly a bunch of morons; and this is right.
Nope, the first part is just plain wrong. The economic chaos is because
the clowns were allowed to completely implode the entire world financial
system, AGAIN.
> But a few of these morons do not buy this assertion that
> Obama is responsible of this crisis, or cannot solve it.
> He is not responsable because he has not any power.
Thats just plain wrong.
> It is just a figurehead on a ship that is heading
> to wreck on the reefs with full its sails deployed.
Even sillier.
The national debt has been higher before and the US survived that fine.
Rod Speed
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, fart.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Perseus wrote
>>> there is an obvious parallelism between growth
>>> population, and the growth of consumerism.
>> Nope. We did see massive growth in populations in India
>> and China millennia before consumerism was even invented.
>>> Or even the growth of financial monetary mass, and growth of money
>>> mass driven by interest rates. They are all exponential growths.
>> Like hell they are. NOT ONE modern first world country is
>> even self replacing now if you take out immigation. NOT ONE.
>> And the absolute vast bulk of the rest of the world is seeing
>> significant drops in the fertility rate. And the only ones that arent
>> have a fertility rate so low that they arent even self replacing now.
> Haiti is but a miniature of the world
Mindlessly silly. NOT ONE modern first world country is even
self replacing now on population if you take out immigration.
Perseus
Does Obama has any power? Where do you see it? Where do you see the
proves that he has any power? There is some time ago that I began to
think that the president of the US has not any power at all. He works
on orders from the majority of the Congress.
The increase of the debt of the state was observed at present is
mostly due to the shrinking of the economy. With a slow economy
federal taxes had also shrunk. And the debt rise. The earning of the
states that feed on VAT had also shrunk. The taxes on homes were been
frozen long ago, while the expenses of the states were growing.
Then, comes all those deficits. It is clear that the way the
financiers and people with money were playing was reckless to say the
least.
If there is something good on this panorama, is that US would in the
near future balance their GDP per capita of China. In a global
economy, it makes not any sense that some Western countries are rich
while the Indians and Chineses are poorer than us. While western
nations would go down, the eastern nations would rise to meet us at
mid point.
Perseus
.
Perseus
Rod Speed
>> Thats just plain wrong.
Corse he does.
> Where do you see it?
Most obviously with the bailout of GM, what the US continues
to do about Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya which even you should
have noticed consume an immense amount of money. And even
you should have noticed what Bush did to bailout the banks, AIG,
renationalise Fanny and Freddy etc etc etc when the clowns had
been allowed to completely implode the entire world financial
system, again. That last arguably ensured that we did not see
another great depression or worse this time around.
> Where do you see the proves that he has any power?
See above.
> There is some time ago that I began to think that
> the president of the US has not any power at all.
More fool you, most obviously with the military.
> He works on orders from the majority of the Congress.
That isnt how the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan happened or what
happened in Libya either.
It isnt even what happened with GM either.
Or with the most recent changes to the medical insurance system either.
> The increase of the debt of the state was observed
> at present is mostly due to the shrinking of the economy.
Thats just plain wrong. It was mostly due to the immense cost
of the bailout after the clowns were allowed to completely
implode the entire world financial system, again.
> With a slow economy federal taxes had also shrunk.
Not by all that much. Nothing like by as much as the immense debt has increased.
> And the debt rise.
Due to the immense cost of the bailout that happened after the clowns
had been allowed to completely implode the entire world financial system.
> The earning of the states that feed on VAT had also shrunk.
There is no VAT in the US, the states have a sales tax which is nothing like a VAT.
> The taxes on homes were been frozen long ago,
Thats wrong too and that money isnt available for the Prez to spend anyway.
> while the expenses of the states were growing.
Nothing to do with the federal budget.
> Then, comes all those deficits.
Yes, the stupid US politicians have been sucking at that teat for decades
now, essentially ever since the Vietnam war. They just dont have the balls
to increase the taxes enough to pay for what they choose to do.
> It is clear that the way the financiers and people with
> money were playing was reckless to say the least.
Its easy to use 20/20 hindsight on that now.
Neither Bernanke nor Greenspan ever saw that coming.
You didnt either in the sense that you predicted the complete
implosion of the entire world financial system, again.
> If there is something good on this panorama, is that US would
> in the near future balance their GDP per capita of China.
That doesnt make sense in english.
If you are claiming that the GDP per capita will end up
the same in the US and china, you are just plain wrong.
> In a global economy, it makes not any sense that some Western
> countries are rich while the Indians and Chineses are poorer than us.
Its the way the world has ALWAYS been and there
is no evidence that that will change any time soon.
The part of the world that invented the industrial revolution will
inevitably end up with better living standards than the dregs of
the world which didnt.
Thats true in spades with modern science and medicine and
real living standards in the sense of having to watch your kids
die of trivially preventable disease thats caused by allowing so
many of your people to shit in the drinking water supply and to
toss their corpses into it in the case of the stupid Indians.
And thats without even considering the MUCH more important factor,
only having as many kids as your economic circumstances can support.
> While western nations would go down,
They wont go down.
> the eastern nations would rise
Yes, real living standards in the dregs of the world have
improved out of sight even in just my lifetime. We no longer
seen much famine and starvation now except where the
place has degenerated into the most obscene levels of
civil war and civil chaos or are actually stupid enough to
let some clown like Kim Jong Il rule the roost.
> to meet us at mid point.
Thats not going to happen.
It doesnt even happen within a single modern first world country,
let alone right thruout the entire world. While ever the dregs of
the world like Haiti keep pumping out hordes more kids than
their economic circumstances can possibly support, you will
always see them with much lower real standards of living than
in the best of the west etc.
You dont see completely uniform living standards in even the
most gung ho socialist countrys in western europe, there will
always be some fools that prefer to piss what income they have
against the wall on alcohol and drugs etc even when the state
doesnt allow them to spend their welfare check on stuff like that.
And employed engineer, doctor, teacher or accountant will aways
have a much higher real standard of living than the dregs like that.