Ogling

[ta]

If a man is out to lunch with his wife and kids, and he ogles the hot
young waitress taking their order, am I morally justified in checking
out his lovely wife?

[Sir Frederick]

Only if you are of the same sex.

[bigfl...@gmail.com]

Yes and no. No if your wife sees you, and yes if she doesnt.

I remember one of the ramblings of the last Pope who said 'desiring a
female other than your wife is equivalent to adultery"

You dont become obese as a result of desiring excess food :-)

BOfL

[Immortalist]

(1) If A does L to y
(2) and B does L thing to z
(3) (1) always justifies (2)
Therefore (1) is always sufficient for (2)

Though (1) may be sufficient for (2) it may not be necessary, so it is
only a probability that (1) justifies (2) hence;

(1) If A does L to y
(2) and B does L thing to z
(3) (1) sometimes justifies (2)
Therefore (1) is sometimes sufficient for (2)

There may be many other reasons for doing L and other reasons for not
doing L.

This needs to be worked out in argument forms next, only if moral
justification can be translated to symbolic logic.

From evolutionary pimpology there is a completely different answer
though if your interested.

http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Passion-Jealousy-Necessary-Love/dp/0684850818

[turtoni]

"ta"

> If a man is out to lunch with his wife and kids, and he ogles the hot
> young waitress taking their order, am I morally justified in checking
> out his lovely wife?

you moral seems to stem from the culturally related christian stories:

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your
neighbor's wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that
belongs to your neighbor"

i guess *your* question begs the answer: NO

your conditioning would lead you to feel anxious about checking out his
lovely wife. perhaps you would feel guilty about fucking his wife and
confusing his children about who their leader is if they were to be aware of
your presence?

time is limiting factor. so i guess it makes sense to physically invest your
interests in one partner.

although looking at another persons sexual market value, the hole in which
you'd dump a fuck might be hard (heh) to overcome since it's what led you to
drink from the water in the first place.

but sure i see your idea about punishing the figure you imagine in your mind
going against your values by imitating them in order to show them the error
of their ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o

[ZerkonX]

If the man did not ogle the waitress there would be no moral
justification. OK. So the moral basis is dependent upon the presumed
actions of another. The moral ice is getting thin since the sanctity of
marriage is the foundation to this problem, your actions also violate
this.

Better to just check out the wife, sin in your heart and move on.
Why let the moral course of another determine your own?

[meatnub]

You can check out his lovely wife all you want, whether or not he's
even there, much less whoever else he's oogling other than his own
wife.

The question is - if she uses the knife on the table to cut off his
prick, is she morally justified to do the same to you?

[ta]

On May 21, 12:29 pm, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Apparently my sense of humor is too subtle. :-)

[Wordsmith]

Here's my take: it's all right to scope out a gal if you're just
appreciating her beauty. One can do that without offending
morally; however, dwelling on it too much can indeed be
morally problematic. Men are programmed by nature to
like the female form...and vice versa!

W : )

[ta]

On May 22, 7:41 pm, Wordsmith <wordsm...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 10:29 am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > If a man is out to lunch with his wife and kids, and he ogles the hot
> > young waitress taking their order, am I morally justified in checking
> > out his lovely wife?
>
> Here's my take: it's all right to scope out a gal if you're just
> appreciating her beauty. One can do that without offending
> morally; however, dwelling on it too much can indeed be
> morally problematic.

What if she returns the favor with a sultry look and a wink of the
eye? ;-)

[Wordsmith]

On May 23, 10:15 am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> On May 22, 7:41 pm, Wordsmith <wordsm...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 21, 10:29 am, ta <padl...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > If a man is out to lunch with his wife and kids, and he ogles the hot
> > > young waitress taking their order, am I morally justified in checking
> > > out his lovely wife?
>
> > Here's my take: it's all right to scope out a gal if you're just
> > appreciating her beauty. One can do that without offending
> > morally; however, dwelling on it too much can indeed be
> > morally problematic.
>
> What if she returns the favor with a sultry look and a wink of the
> eye? ;-)

Then you just got lucky!

W : )