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Bret Cahill

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> http://www.toomuchonline.org/articlenew_2009/nov23a.html
>
> November 23, 2009
>
> What Ever Happened to That Prosperity the Tax-Cutters Promised?
>
> Don't expect an answer from the ranters and ravers who frequent 'Tea
> Parties' — or the politicians who egg them on.
>
> By Sam Pizzigati
>
> You don’t have to dig particularly deep, in the United States today,
> to find some striking similarities between today’s virulently
> anti-Obama “Tea Party” crowd and the media darlings who birthed the
> “Tax Revolt” phenomenon back in the late 1970s.
>
> The Tax Revolters burst onto the national scene amid an
> inflation-battered economy.
>
> They blamed “big government” for what ailed America, and they offered
> a simple remedy: cut taxes.
>
> Lower taxes, they promised, would get average Americans back on track.
>
> The Tea Party zealots have, like the Tax Revolters, also coalesced in
> tough economic times.
>
> They attack “big government,” too.
>
> They even make the same promises about taxes.
>
> But the Tea Party types, so far at least, haven’t scored any early
> political success.
>
> The Tax Revolters did.
>
> In 1978, in a ballot-box stunner, they passed a statewide initiative
> in California known as Prop 13, an unprecedented cap on property
> taxes.
>
> Within a few short years, almost half America’s states had followed
> suit with tax cuts and caps of their own.
>
> In 1980, at the national level, this Tax Revolt surge would carry
> Ronald Reagan into the White House.
>
> One year later, a pliant Congress would give President Reagan the
> biggest across-the-board federal tax cut in U.S. history.
>
> Tax relief had become, in the wink of an eye, America’s most potent
> political creed.
>
> Tax cutting and capping would go on to dominate the nation’s political
> discourse for the next three decades, an entire generation.
>
> And what do we have to show for all this cutting and capping?
>
> Last week, researchers offered up two new studies that offer up a
> useful assessment.
>
> The first, funded by the Social Security Administration, looks at the
> wealth of American families.
>
> That wealth, the Tax Revolters assured us,would start amassing again
> once taxpayers yanked “big government” out of our pockets.
>
> The second new study zeroes in on state and local taxes.
>
> After years of tax revolting, this Institute on Taxation and Economic
> Policy report asks, who exactly is paying taxes at the state and local
> level?
>
> Who has benefited the most, in tax terms, from the Tax Revolt the Tea
> Party zealots are now so fervently seeking to extend?
>
> The answer:
>
> The rich have benefited the most.
>
> The Tax Revolt that began back in the late 1970s has, in state after
> state, let the affluent off the tax hook.
>
> In fact, notes the new Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
> analysis, “nearly every state and local tax system takes a much
> greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from
> the wealthy.”
>
> In the entire United States, the analysis adds, “only two states
> require their best-off citizens to pay as much of their incomes in
> taxes as their very poorest taxpayers must pay, and only one state
> taxes its wealthiest individuals at a higher effective rate than
> middle-income families have to pay.”
>
> America’s most affluent 1 percent now pay, on average, just 6.4
> percent of their incomes in state and local taxes.
>
> But they actually pay even less than that, since they can deduct their
> state and local taxes from their federal tax bill.
>
> The state and local tax burden on America’s rich, after taking this
> offset into account, drops to 5.2 percent.
>
> Middle-income families — to be precise, those families who make up the
> middle fifth of America’s income distribution — pay, after the federal
> offset, 9.4 percent of their incomes in total state and local taxes.
>
> America’s poorest families pay even more.
>
> Tax collectors take 10.9 percent of the incomes of households in the
> nation’s bottom 20 percent, more than double the share they take from
> the incomes of the nation’s top 1 percent.
>
> The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy paper, Who Pays?
>
> A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States, covers
> non-elderly households.
>
> Incredibly, the study details, some states “ask their poorest
> residents — those in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale — to
> pay up to six times as much of their income in taxes as they ask the
> wealthy to pay.”
>
> Now you could argue that none of this matters.
>
> The Tax Revolters, after all, didn’t claim that their tax cutting and
> capping would have low- and middle-income people paying taxes at a
> lower rate than the rich.
>
> They claimed, instead, that massive tax cuts, taken as an amorphous
> whole, would help just about everybody get considerably richer.
>
> That hasn’t happened, as Brookings Institution researchers Barry
> Bosworth and Rosanna Smart document in a paper just published by the
> Boston College Center for Retirement Research, with funding support
> from Social Security.
>
> Bosworth and Smart “explore the consequences of the housing price
> bubble and its collapse for the wealth of older households.”
>
> Along the way, the two investigators dive into the overall family
> wealth data the Federal Reserve has been collecting since the early
> 1980s.
>
> Tapping into another federal data set, they bring the family net worth
> picture up-to-date for 2009.
>
> For low- and middle-income families, their numbers tell a depressing
> story.
>
> All American households — poor, middle, and rich — have lost wealth
> since the subprime mortgage collapse and last fall’s financial
> meltdown. On average, since 2007, Americans have lost 26 percent of
> their total net worth.
>
> But low- and middle-income households under age 50 haven’t just lost a
> big chunk of the wealth they held in 2007.
>
> These households have actually lost all the wealth they had gained
> since 1983, the first year with Federal Reserve family wealth data
> available.
>
> Back then in 1983, the bottom third — by income — of U.S. families
> under age 50 had an average $24,000 in net worth to their names, as
> measured in year 2000 dollars.
>
> The housing bubble helped boost this bottom-third average net worth to
> $27,000 in 2007.
>
> Today, in the wake of that bubble’s collapse, researchers Bosworth and
> Smart put average bottom-third net worth at just $17,000, in those
> same year 2000 dollars.
>
> Middle-income households under age 50, meanwhile, held an average net
> worth of $50,000 in 1983.
>
> The current net worth of this middle third, after adjusting for
> inflation: $45,000.
>
> Older households in the bottom and middle income thirds — those over
> age 50 — have, to be sure, seen their after-inflation net worths
> increase between 1983 and 2009.
>
> But these households have lost at least 22 percent of the wealth they
> held in 2007.
>
> As older families, Bosworth and Smart note, they now “have less time
> to recover.”
>
> That recovery may take some time.
>
> Back in the middle of the 20th century, governments in the United
> States routinely taxed the rich to pay for the programs that built a
> vibrant middle class.
>
> The Tax Revolt that began three decades ago, by demonizing taxes, gave
> the rich a free ride and gutted those programs.
>
> That demonization today continues, with politicos beholden to that
> rich cynically fanning the Tea Party flames.
>
> They don’t care who gets burned.
>
> The rest of us should.
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> Harry

It was a Big Lie like everything Repugliars say.


Bret Cahill

Bret Cahill

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. . .


> Every dollar removed from the private sector is one
> dollar that can't be used for economic activity.  

Exactly why we really need to get off overseas oil.

In sharp contrast every dollar that ends up in the public sector can
be spent on sustainable energy to grow the economy to benefit We the
People.


Bret Cahill


1-20-2013

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:24:41 PM11/23/09
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Bret Cahill wrote:
>> http://www.toomuchonline.org/articlenew_2009/nov23a.html
>>
>> November 23, 2009
>>
>> What Ever Happened to That Prosperity the Tax-Cutters Promised?
>>
>> Don't expect an answer from the ranters and ravers who frequent 'Tea
>> Parties' � or the politicians who egg them on.
>>
>> By Sam Pizzigati
>>
>> You don�t have to dig particularly deep, in the United States today,
>> to find some striking similarities between today�s virulently
>> anti-Obama �Tea Party� crowd and the media darlings who birthed the
>> �Tax Revolt� phenomenon back in the late 1970s.

>>
>> The Tax Revolters burst onto the national scene amid an
>> inflation-battered economy.
>>
>> They blamed �big government� for what ailed America, and they offered

>> a simple remedy: cut taxes.
>>
>> Lower taxes, they promised, would get average Americans back on track.
>>
>> The Tea Party zealots have, like the Tax Revolters, also coalesced in
>> tough economic times.
>>
>> They attack �big government,� too.

>>
>> They even make the same promises about taxes.
>>
>> But the Tea Party types, so far at least, haven�t scored any early

>> political success.
>>
>> The Tax Revolters did.
>>
>> In 1978, in a ballot-box stunner, they passed a statewide initiative
>> in California known as Prop 13, an unprecedented cap on property
>> taxes.
>>
>> Within a few short years, almost half America�s states had followed

>> suit with tax cuts and caps of their own.
>>
>> In 1980, at the national level, this Tax Revolt surge would carry
>> Ronald Reagan into the White House.
>>
>> One year later, a pliant Congress would give President Reagan the
>> biggest across-the-board federal tax cut in U.S. history.
>>
>> Tax relief had become, in the wink of an eye, America�s most potent
>> political creed.
>>
>> Tax cutting and capping would go on to dominate the nation�s political

>> discourse for the next three decades, an entire generation.
>>
>> And what do we have to show for all this cutting and capping?
>>
>> Last week, researchers offered up two new studies that offer up a
>> useful assessment.
>>
>> The first, funded by the Social Security Administration, looks at the
>> wealth of American families.
>>
>> That wealth, the Tax Revolters assured us,would start amassing again
>> once taxpayers yanked �big government� out of our pockets.

>>
>> The second new study zeroes in on state and local taxes.
>>
>> After years of tax revolting, this Institute on Taxation and Economic
>> Policy report asks, who exactly is paying taxes at the state and local
>> level?
>>
>> Who has benefited the most, in tax terms, from the Tax Revolt the Tea
>> Party zealots are now so fervently seeking to extend?
>>
>> The answer:
>>
>> The rich have benefited the most.
>>
>> The Tax Revolt that began back in the late 1970s has, in state after
>> state, let the affluent off the tax hook.
>>
>> In fact, notes the new Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
>> analysis, �nearly every state and local tax system takes a much

>> greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from
>> the wealthy.�
>>
>> In the entire United States, the analysis adds, �only two states

>> require their best-off citizens to pay as much of their incomes in
>> taxes as their very poorest taxpayers must pay, and only one state
>> taxes its wealthiest individuals at a higher effective rate than
>> middle-income families have to pay.�
>>
>> America�s most affluent 1 percent now pay, on average, just 6.4

>> percent of their incomes in state and local taxes.
>>
>> But they actually pay even less than that, since they can deduct their
>> state and local taxes from their federal tax bill.
>>
>> The state and local tax burden on America�s rich, after taking this

>> offset into account, drops to 5.2 percent.
>>
>> Middle-income families � to be precise, those families who make up the
>> middle fifth of America�s income distribution � pay, after the federal

>> offset, 9.4 percent of their incomes in total state and local taxes.
>>
>> America�s poorest families pay even more.

>>
>> Tax collectors take 10.9 percent of the incomes of households in the
>> nation�s bottom 20 percent, more than double the share they take from
>> the incomes of the nation�s top 1 percent.

>>
>> The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy paper, Who Pays?
>>
>> A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States, covers
>> non-elderly households.
>>
>> Incredibly, the study details, some states �ask their poorest
>> residents � those in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale � to

>> pay up to six times as much of their income in taxes as they ask the
>> wealthy to pay.�

>>
>> Now you could argue that none of this matters.
>>
>> The Tax Revolters, after all, didn�t claim that their tax cutting and

>> capping would have low- and middle-income people paying taxes at a
>> lower rate than the rich.
>>
>> They claimed, instead, that massive tax cuts, taken as an amorphous
>> whole, would help just about everybody get considerably richer.
>>
>> That hasn�t happened, as Brookings Institution researchers Barry

>> Bosworth and Rosanna Smart document in a paper just published by the
>> Boston College Center for Retirement Research, with funding support
>> from Social Security.
>>
>> Bosworth and Smart �explore the consequences of the housing price
>> bubble and its collapse for the wealth of older households.�

>>
>> Along the way, the two investigators dive into the overall family
>> wealth data the Federal Reserve has been collecting since the early
>> 1980s.
>>
>> Tapping into another federal data set, they bring the family net worth
>> picture up-to-date for 2009.
>>
>> For low- and middle-income families, their numbers tell a depressing
>> story.
>>
>> All American households � poor, middle, and rich � have lost wealth
>> since the subprime mortgage collapse and last fall�s financial

>> meltdown. On average, since 2007, Americans have lost 26 percent of
>> their total net worth.
>>
>> But low- and middle-income households under age 50 haven�t just lost a

>> big chunk of the wealth they held in 2007.
>>
>> These households have actually lost all the wealth they had gained
>> since 1983, the first year with Federal Reserve family wealth data
>> available.
>>
>> Back then in 1983, the bottom third � by income � of U.S. families

>> under age 50 had an average $24,000 in net worth to their names, as
>> measured in year 2000 dollars.
>>
>> The housing bubble helped boost this bottom-third average net worth to
>> $27,000 in 2007.
>>
>> Today, in the wake of that bubble�s collapse, researchers Bosworth and

>> Smart put average bottom-third net worth at just $17,000, in those
>> same year 2000 dollars.
>>
>> Middle-income households under age 50, meanwhile, held an average net
>> worth of $50,000 in 1983.
>>
>> The current net worth of this middle third, after adjusting for
>> inflation: $45,000.
>>
>> Older households in the bottom and middle income thirds � those over
>> age 50 � have, to be sure, seen their after-inflation net worths

>> increase between 1983 and 2009.
>>
>> But these households have lost at least 22 percent of the wealth they
>> held in 2007.
>>
>> As older families, Bosworth and Smart note, they now �have less time
>> to recover.�

>>
>> That recovery may take some time.
>>
>> Back in the middle of the 20th century, governments in the United
>> States routinely taxed the rich to pay for the programs that built a
>> vibrant middle class.
>>
>> The Tax Revolt that began three decades ago, by demonizing taxes, gave
>> the rich a free ride and gutted those programs.
>>
>> That demonization today continues, with politicos beholden to that
>> rich cynically fanning the Tea Party flames.
>>
>> They don�t care who gets burned.

>>
>> The rest of us should.
>>
>> ___________________________________________
>>
>> Harry
>
> It was a Big Lie like everything Repugliars say.

Speaking of Big Lies, where is the tax cut for 95% of Americans that
your Messiah promised during the campaign?

>
>
> Bret Cahill
>

Bret Cahill

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> >>http://www.toomuchonline.org/articlenew_2009/nov23a.html
>
> >> November 23, 2009
>
> >> What Ever Happened to That Prosperity the Tax-Cutters Promised?
>
> >> Don't expect an answer from the ranters and ravers who frequent 'Tea
> >> Parties' — or the politicians who egg them on.
>
> >> By Sam Pizzigati
>

> >> You don’t have to dig particularly deep, in the United States today,
> >> to find some striking similarities between today’s virulently
> >> anti-Obama “Tea Party” crowd and the media darlings who birthed the
> >> “Tax Revolt” phenomenon back in the late 1970s.

>
> >> The Tax Revolters burst onto the national scene amid an
> >> inflation-battered economy.
>
> >> They blamed “big government” for what ailed America, and they offered

> >> a simple remedy: cut taxes.
>
> >> Lower taxes, they promised, would get average Americans back on track.
>
> >> The Tea Party zealots have, like the Tax Revolters, also coalesced in
> >> tough economic times.
>
> >> They attack “big government,” too.

>
> >> They even make the same promises about taxes.
>
> >> But the Tea Party types, so far at least, haven’t scored any early

> >> political success.
>
> >> The Tax Revolters did.
>
> >> In 1978, in a ballot-box stunner, they passed a statewide initiative
> >> in California known as Prop 13, an unprecedented cap on property
> >> taxes.
>
> >> Within a few short years, almost half America’s states had followed

> >> suit with tax cuts and caps of their own.
>
> >> In 1980, at the national level, this Tax Revolt surge would carry
> >> Ronald Reagan into the White House.
>
> >> One year later, a pliant Congress would give President Reagan the
> >> biggest across-the-board federal tax cut in U.S. history.
>
> >> Tax relief had become, in the wink of an eye, America’s most potent
> >> political creed.
>
> >> Tax cutting and capping would go on to dominate the nation’s political

> >> discourse for the next three decades, an entire generation.
>
> >> And what do we have to show for all this cutting and capping?
>
> >> Last week, researchers offered up two new studies that offer up a
> >> useful assessment.
>
> >> The first, funded by the Social Security Administration, looks at the
> >> wealth of American families.
>
> >> That wealth, the Tax Revolters assured us,would start amassing again
> >> once taxpayers yanked “big government” out of our pockets.

>
> >> The second new study zeroes in on state and local taxes.
>
> >> After years of tax revolting, this Institute on Taxation and Economic
> >> Policy report asks, who exactly is paying taxes at the state and local
> >> level?
>
> >> Who has benefited the most, in tax terms, from the Tax Revolt the Tea
> >> Party zealots are now so fervently seeking to extend?
>
> >> The answer:
>
> >> The rich have benefited the most.
>
> >> The Tax Revolt that began back in the late 1970s has, in state after
> >> state, let the affluent off the tax hook.
>
> >> In fact, notes the new Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
> >> analysis, “nearly every state and local tax system takes a much

> >> greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from
> >> the wealthy.”
>
> >> In the entire United States, the analysis adds, “only two states

> >> require their best-off citizens to pay as much of their incomes in
> >> taxes as their very poorest taxpayers must pay, and only one state
> >> taxes its wealthiest individuals at a higher effective rate than
> >> middle-income families have to pay.”
>
> >> America’s most affluent 1 percent now pay, on average, just 6.4

> >> percent of their incomes in state and local taxes.
>
> >> But they actually pay even less than that, since they can deduct their
> >> state and local taxes from their federal tax bill.
>
> >> The state and local tax burden on America’s rich, after taking this

> >> offset into account, drops to 5.2 percent.
>
> >> Middle-income families — to be precise, those families who make up the
> >> middle fifth of America’s income distribution — pay, after the federal

> >> offset, 9.4 percent of their incomes in total state and local taxes.
>
> >> America’s poorest families pay even more.

>
> >> Tax collectors take 10.9 percent of the incomes of households in the
> >> nation’s bottom 20 percent, more than double the share they take from
> >> the incomes of the nation’s top 1 percent.

>
> >> The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy paper, Who Pays?
>
> >> A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States, covers
> >> non-elderly households.
>
> >> Incredibly, the study details, some states “ask their poorest
> >> residents — those in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale — to

> >> pay up to six times as much of their income in taxes as they ask the
> >> wealthy to pay.”

>
> >> Now you could argue that none of this matters.
>
> >> The Tax Revolters, after all, didn’t claim that their tax cutting and

> >> capping would have low- and middle-income people paying taxes at a
> >> lower rate than the rich.
>
> >> They claimed, instead, that massive tax cuts, taken as an amorphous
> >> whole, would help just about everybody get considerably richer.
>
> >> That hasn’t happened, as Brookings Institution researchers Barry

> >> Bosworth and Rosanna Smart document in a paper just published by the
> >> Boston College Center for Retirement Research, with funding support
> >> from Social Security.
>
> >> Bosworth and Smart “explore the consequences of the housing price
> >> bubble and its collapse for the wealth of older households.”

>
> >> Along the way, the two investigators dive into the overall family
> >> wealth data the Federal Reserve has been collecting since the early
> >> 1980s.
>
> >> Tapping into another federal data set, they bring the family net worth
> >> picture up-to-date for 2009.
>
> >> For low- and middle-income families, their numbers tell a depressing
> >> story.
>
> >> All American households — poor, middle, and rich — have lost wealth
> >> since the subprime mortgage collapse and last fall’s financial

> >> meltdown. On average, since 2007, Americans have lost 26 percent of
> >> their total net worth.
>
> >> But low- and middle-income households under age 50 haven’t just lost a

> >> big chunk of the wealth they held in 2007.
>
> >> These households have actually lost all the wealth they had gained
> >> since 1983, the first year with Federal Reserve family wealth data
> >> available.
>
> >> Back then in 1983, the bottom third — by income — of U.S. families

> >> under age 50 had an average $24,000 in net worth to their names, as
> >> measured in year 2000 dollars.
>
> >> The housing bubble helped boost this bottom-third average net worth to
> >> $27,000 in 2007.
>
> >> Today, in the wake of that bubble’s collapse, researchers Bosworth and

> >> Smart put average bottom-third net worth at just $17,000, in those
> >> same year 2000 dollars.
>
> >> Middle-income households under age 50, meanwhile, held an average net
> >> worth of $50,000 in 1983.
>
> >> The current net worth of this middle third, after adjusting for
> >> inflation: $45,000.
>
> >> Older households in the bottom and middle income thirds — those over
> >> age 50 — have, to be sure, seen their after-inflation net worths

> >> increase between 1983 and 2009.
>
> >> But these households have lost at least 22 percent of the wealth they
> >> held in 2007.
>
> >> As older families, Bosworth and Smart note, they now “have less time
> >> to recover.”
>
> >> That recovery may take some time.
>
> >> Back in the middle of the 20th century, governments in the United
> >> States routinely taxed the rich to pay for the programs that built a
> >> vibrant middle class.
>
> >> The Tax Revolt that began three decades ago, by demonizing taxes, gave
> >> the rich a free ride and gutted those programs.
>
> >> That demonization today continues, with politicos beholden to that
> >> rich cynically fanning the Tea Party flames.
>
> >> They don’t care who gets burned.

>
> >> The rest of us should.
>
> >> ___________________________________________
>
> >> Harry
>
> > It was a Big Lie like everything Repugliars say.
>
> Speaking of Big Lies, where is the tax cut for 95% of Americans that
> your Messiah promised during the campaign?

In the tax code. Look it up.


Bret Cahill


ornamentalmind

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“In the tax code. Look it up.” – BC

Sadly, more people are inclined to watch FAUX news than know reality,
which in fact DOES have a liberal bias!

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