The Divinity of Christ
C3
be savior?
C3 +
Day Brown
> What do you think of the Divinity of Christ? Do you consider Him to
> be savior?
world, reported that when Mithras was born (about 300 BC), "The angels
of the Lord came down blowing trumpets and singing Hosannahs while the
shepherds were watching their flocks by night."
In Persian, he was known as "The Savior". See J. Campbell, "Occidental
Mythology".
tooly
There is perhaps a functional perspective. Given: a meaningless
existence that offers much pain, suffering, and struggle. ERgo, I
think life is constantly being judged upon a balance where the
positivity of existing must outweigh the negativity. This might even
be seen as a kind of 'redemptive' question to life. Even if only a
story, intelligent creatures must consider the 'function' of any story
upon the redemptive arguement for continuance verses...well...'not'.
Most creatures can survive purely upon mindless instinct of course
[and even ourselves to a degree], but intelligent creatures must also
consider the redemptive quality of life to maintain a certain
gestaltive psychic 'fuel' to keep alive [perhaps]. In this way,
perhaps the question of 'heavens and hells' takes on a much more
'realistic' nature...and as long as we can 'justify' keeping the
balance teetering toward the positive...well, then perhaps we remain
ok.
But...if we allow that 'perception' [our subjective reality] to fall
too far to the negative side...I wonder if we don't subconsciously
seek an end as a mass consciousness?
So, our stories are not always JUST stories, but something far more
functional and necessary to our existence. In fact, as soon as we see
our stories as 'only' that, then we lose the efficacy of their
functionality.
Sir Frederick
Good phrase : " the efficacy of their functionality".
IMO humans as finite physical and information systems, do
as you depict, except for the "seeing" that you claim.
Each person's brain based virtual reality that is experienced as
reality, is modifiable by practice, and by evolution built in susceptibility
to that practice. Thus, enough practice (several months) of any
story, can make that story virtually real, even though it is "only"
a story. That is enough for " the efficacy of their functionality".
The "seeing" is very modifiable.
Deceit works, even self deceit. This, evolution has 'found' effective.
tooly
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I keep feeling as if I'm on the precipice of some sort of epiphony or
something. It's like the climax of a long classical work, where one
is raised up to a peak emotional state...and then the denoument and
the resultant Peggy Lee question afterwards: "Is that all there
is"...ha.
"Is that all there is"? Seems like all this is building up toward
something. Perhaps that singularity you keep talking about [there are
several I've read about now].
As far as a subliminal death wish [if the redemptive question of life
tends toward the negative], I'm not saying that people would go around
looking for the next oak tree limb to hang themselves. I argue that
we work 'enmasse' as a general 'unconscious' movement [unconscious in
the sense there is no outline or plan to it]. If you contemplate
where all this socialism comes from, well I somehow arrive at a common
'pessimism' about life itself as the underlying justification.
Perhaps it is only me. You know, for a brief time a few months back,
I was arguing for socialized health care. I don't believe in it...but
I 'wanted' it. I want to just 'quit' life you see...to lay back and
watch television and not have to worry anymore or suffer...and then
just croak some day, ha. I mean, let's face it..."ALL" our stories
are now pretty much dead; there really is not a whole lot to live for
anymore [a few romps in the hay for some perhaps...but even that has
become empty as love slowly dies in us]. Love dying? Hmm...pretty
outrageous argument I suppose...but that's how I see it. Love's grace
rests upon beauty and as we become urbane and sophisticated we lose
our ability to believe in any beauty we find...just paint on the pig
[or lipstick or whatever, ha].
And;, who wants to struggle anymore; to strive toward betterment; to
impress that pretty Cindy Lou so that she might love you when she is
just giving it away to the basketball team anyway, ha.
No, I doubt people are coming to the same demoralized 'conscious'
outlook as I have come to...but I do think we are becoming
'subliminally' demoralized as a whole. All our belief systems are
gone now. Our illusions uncovered. We are just gnats on a bit of
cosmic dust floating around in emptiness. Even science gets boring
and Stephen Hawking is making up things like 'information paradoxes'
and the like. Who can we trust anymore?
So, that's what I mean by 'life seeks its own end'...and as the mass
consciousness loses any 'subjective' sense of higher order, of God and
gods, of all stories, myths, beliefs, or anything else enriching, of
traditional value or worth...well, I think people seek the nanny state
and to remove all duty toward the whole to 'suffer' for anything
anymore. Fuck the wars and strife and 9 to 5 hopelessness...cindy Lou
and God were just illusions, inventions of the romantic mind wanting
to believe in something more. So, let's just eat, play, and fuck...and
give our money over to the government to take care of us until we
die. Sounds like a plan; why not; who wants to be free in a place
where nothing means anything.
But dammit...there's still that sense of epiphony just around the
corner; something...I can almost taste it...something....
Does anyone else 'feel' it...
ah, just going nuts I suppose. Carl Sagan really did a number on my
head, that's for sure. Pale blue dots my foot. If we are such smart
creatures, why couldn't we come up with something more than that? I
think I'm just going to die with my God.
Sir Frederick
What is the importance of a falling rock? At least 'we have
that much. Also, the mystery of 'why' there is existence, that
continues to entertain. Other than that I manage my brain
chemistry with a little coffee and watch the culture deteriorate.
Suicide is easily available if I were to hurt too much or were to
stress out too much. The evolved hubris keeps trying to assert,
but I recognize that for what it is. My engineering effort of abject
honesty continues.
And I do miss THE BORG. I sent an email to the asserted 'real'
address, but received no response. The received 'Christmas'
gift, had no return address.
Roger Pearse
> C3 wrote:
> > What do you think of the Divinity of Christ? Do you consider Him to
> > be savior?
>
> Joseph Campbell, who collected myths and scripture from all over the
> of the Lord came down blowing trumpets and singing Hosannahs while the
> shepherds were watching their flocks by night."
>
> In Persian, he was known as "The Savior". See J. Campbell, "Occidental
> Mythology".
I note that this is not a verbatim quote, and that no page number is
given for these curious claims. Perhaps you got this from some
website?
Joseph Campbell was not a Mithras scholar, however. And none of these
statements are found in ancient sources; they are all modern fiction.
Mithras was born from a rock, wearing a hat and carrying a dagger and
a flame. He hunted the cosmic bull, caught it, dragged it into a
cavern and killed it. As it died, a snake, a dog and a scorpion
scurried to lick up its blood. Mithras then went to meet Sol, the sun
god, who knelt to him. The two then shook hands and ate the bull.
Stuff relating him to Jesus is all fraudulent, and designed to deceive
the wary. Be sceptical.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Day Brown
all followers of Levantine scriptures. I havent read whatever there is
of Mithras. But I have read Gilgamesh, The Egyptian Book of the Dead,
and Zoroaster. And among just these three, never mind a myriad of other
sources, there are obvious plagiarisms in Levantine scriptures. So- that
there mite be another, whose source is the Mithraic tradition is far
less worthy of skepticism than that the Gospels are what they claim to be.
Roger Pearse
> Roger Pearsewrote:
> > On Jan 8, 11:36 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> C3 wrote:
> >>> What do you think of the Divinity of Christ? Do you consider Him to
> >>> be savior?
> >> Joseph Campbell, who collected myths and scripture from all over the
> >> world, reported that whenMithraswas born (about 300 BC), "The angels
> >> of the Lord came down blowing trumpets and singing Hosannahs while the
> >> shepherds were watching their flocks by night."
>
> >> In Persian, he was known as "The Savior". See J. Campbell, "Occidental
> >> Mythology".
>
> > I note that this is not a verbatim quote, and that no page number is
> > given for these curious claims. Perhaps you got this from some
> > website?
>
> > Joseph Campbell was not a Mithras scholar, however. And none of these
> > statements are found in ancient sources; they are all modern fiction.
>
> > Mithras was born from a rock, wearing a hat and carrying a dagger and
> > a flame. He hunted the cosmic bull, caught it, dragged it into a
> > cavern and killed it. As it died, a snake, a dog and a scorpion
> > scurried to lick up its blood. Mithras then went to meet Sol, the sun
> > god, who knelt to him. The two then shook hands and ate the bull.
>
> > Stuff relating him to Jesus is all fraudulent, and designed to deceive
> > the wary. Be sceptical.
>
> Joseph Campbell has legions of critics-
I wouldn't know. However on Mithras, I know the ancient sources
pretty well, and Campbell seems to be a source of misinformation.
> I havent read whatever there is of Mithras. ...
Have a look.
Incidentally it is mildly depressing to see from your comments that
you post all this out of spite towards Christianity. Don't do that
sort of thing, hey? Who wants to hear about someone's hates? Most
people doing this make utterly clear that the driving force in their
lives in convenience; which isn't exactly a respectable intellectual
position anyway. Tell us instead about your enthusiasms, not your
hatreds.
Day Brown
> Incidentally it is mildly depressing to see from your comments that
> you post all this out of spite towards Christianity. Don't do that
> sort of thing, hey? Who wants to hear about someone's hates? Most
> people doing this make utterly clear that the driving force in their
> lives in convenience; which isn't exactly a respectable intellectual
> position anyway. Tell us instead about your enthusiasms, not your
> hatreds.
greatest effect on other cultures, with Islam running a close second. A
pox on both their houses. The history is obscure, but there are a few
Aryan cultures which never converted, and their tribal traditions remain
to this day. Such as in parts of rural Finland and the Baltic Nations.
With the latter, the Soviets repressed Christian prosetylization, but
ignored the local tribal traditions of rural villages. This is the folk
lore that Gimbutas and Campbell drew on. None of these non-Christian
Aryan cultures ever tried to establish colonies or impose their
spiritual traditions on anyone else. They never had a "Jewish problem"
either.
The Jihadim claim a monopoly of truth in the Koran. How then, as David
Hume made clear, can you counter this with another hegemonic cosmology?
As he noted, their followers cannot compromise, because you cant do that
with what you claim to be the veritable "word of god". As a result, as
we see, they resort to the use of force. Hume recommended staying out of
the crossfire, good advice in the days of muskets.
But inadequate in the days of automatic assault rifles, WMD, and even
nukes. There no longer is any sidelines for those of us who dont have a
dog in this fight to go to. Our only choice is to challenge the claims
of a moral high ground by all Levantine religions.
Its worth noting that in 2500 years, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism
have had less violence among them than in the last 25 alone of the
Levantine religions. They all preach peace, but the latter cant deliver
on it.
Roger Pearse
> > you post all this out of spite towards Christianity. Don't do that
> > sort of thing, hey? Who wants to hear about someone's hates? Most
> > people doing this make utterly clear that the driving force in their
> > lives in convenience; which isn't exactly a respectable intellectual
> > position anyway. Tell us instead about your enthusiasms, not your
> > hatreds.
>
<rolls eyes>
lottery nan
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you cant just eat fuck,smoke and die.Because thats a total waste of u!
die with ur God?bible first rule.suicide sinners will not be saved.
God is self belief,that clears up illusion and doubt in life.for few
people who are born with the talent to touch God by heart and soul,he
can claim himself as a jesus christ.and thats not against the rule of
God.
btw,how many of u are editing posts?
Nan
Day Brown
With power comes a higher duty, and the Christian nations have not met it.