The ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
fasgnadh
�No True Scotsman� Fallacy
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
Explanation
The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
order to prevent the refutation of one�s position. Proposed
counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because
they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the
theory is about.
Example
The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would
refute a proposition, concluding that it hasn�t been falsified when in
fact it has.
If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a
counter-example to the claim �No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge�,
the �No true Scotsman� fallacy would run as follows:
(1) Angus puts sugar on his porridge.
(2) No (true) Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
Therefore:
(3) Angus is not a (true) Scotsman.
Therefore:
(4) Angus is not a counter-example to the claim that
no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
This fallacy is a form of circular argument, with an existing belief
being assumed to be true in order to dismiss any apparent
counter-examples to it. The existing belief thus becomes unfalsifiable."
Real-World Examples
An argument similar to this is often arises when people attempt to
defend the historical reality of atheism. For example
EVERY atheist regime in history, (i.e. The USSR, Maoist China,
Pol Pots Genocide, North Korea, those states which are led
by atheists, with the entire ruling Central Committee atheist,
implementing explicit atheist policies) has been a totalitarian
tyranny.
They committed the systematic persecution of religion, forcible
indoctrination of children and adults with atheism, expropriation
and destruction of religious property, and the terror, torture
and murder of believers. >70,000,000 died in the atheist holocausts.
Atheists argue that 'No True Atheist would create tyranny' despite the
clear evidence of atheists Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Suk and
his psychotic offspring Kim ill Fuk doing PRECISELY THAT! B^[
In fact they can find NO EXAMPLE of an atheist state, in all of human
history, which was NOT a totalitarian tyranny! 8^o
Sometimes the argument is accompanied by hypocritical attempts at
diversion such as "Those regimes were all 'male'", an easily falsifiable
lie, (Madame Mao and other female members of the Central Committees) or
but they were 'Communist in name' .. sure.. just like the "Democratic
People's Republic of Korea" is a Democracy in name?!???
B^D Priceless! The argument has been conclusively resolved by those
atheist tyrants themselves, e.g.:
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
By arbitrarily selecting ANY OTHER ATTRIBUTE, (gender, moustaches,
brand name chosen), the claim that 'no true atheist' regime would
be a tyranny is thus preserved from refutation. Given such an approach,
this claim is unfalsifiable, there is no possible refutation of it.
The logical flaw is that not all atheist regimes were 100% male, or had
moustaches and the Chinese Communists now allow religion, have declared
it a social positive, and have prospered and progressed, unlike EVERY
atheist communist state which has been a catastrophic failure!!!
Lets clarify that point for the dull witted atheists: Not all COMMUNIST
governments have been catastrophic failures, (China reformed its
constitution, permitting religions to function, and has progressed
phenomenally) ..but all ATHEIST ones have been!!! B^]
The common feature is that those tyrannies were ALL ATHEIST REGIMES, and
in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history. 100% of atheist
regimes, without exception, have been murderous tyrannies!
Q.E.D. They *are* the historical REALITY of atheism.
The only benign atheists are the hypocrites who CHOOSE to live in
majority religious societies, and are thus constrained by the
prevailing moral values (and their own insignificantly small numbers)
from doing any serious harm.
Let the abstract, philosophical fantacists and utopian dreamers
who believe in an irrational and dogmatic hallucination bleat
and wail in their usual hysterical and rabid attacks of ad hom abuse,
lies and slander..
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-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
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"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
chazwin
On the other hand.....
All of these dictatorships that you mention have all (without
exception) built their regimes by mimicking religion.
They all have cultic hero worship of their leader and demand obedience
without question and with faith.
They all employ the techniques of religious indoctrination by
establishing and promoting a dogmatic acceptance of the core beliefs
of their creed.
And so the religious right deny that they are not a "true" religion
because they do not have a belief in god. They are not true scotsmen
because they lack a single element of belief that is actually not even
a part of a definition of a religion.
And yet they were ALL religions.
Lets take another example of an atheist government. The USA is founded
on a separation of church and state. In this they were the only and
the first government who made the step of divorcing religion from the
policies of government. Belief in god is at the discretion of the
individual. They have, ipso facto, an atheist constitution.
Lets take another example of a practicing atheist government. The UK
has long had an established church, and has long debated the
possibility of its disestablishment. Pragmatism has long encouraged
antidisestablishmentarianism for the simple reason that the government
works best in a secular way : the church has no independent power. The
church, god, or any religious factor is NEVER consulted on any
government policy. So , though the church is connected to the
government, it is prevented from taking part: the policies are
atheistic.
As for Lenin. If only the state had been modelled on his conception.
Sadly he died and was made into a saint by Stalin who overthrew
Lenin's best ideas on anti-semitism, liberal reform, and social reform
of marriage, decriminalisation of homosexuality and a vast array of
policies that were well a head of their time. These all depended on
breaking the strangle hold on the people that the church and state
had.
On Nov 20, 11:37 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
>
> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
>
> Explanation
>
> The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
> order to prevent the refutation of one’s position. Proposed
> counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because
> they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the
> theory is about.
>
> Example
>
> The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would
> refute a proposition, concluding that it hasn’t been falsified when in
> fact it has.
>
> If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a
> counter-example to the claim “No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge”,
> the ‘No true Scotsman’ fallacy would run as follows:
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...
THE BORG
"chazwin" <chaz...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On the other hand.....
*****
It is difficult for those who believe in the Bible and Old
Testament God to take homosexuality on board as it does
state as a Commandment to the Jewish people that sodomy
between men is banned.
But then this is considered equally banned as castration of
any animals.
Which is considered equally banned as marrying a Gentile.
You cannot pick and choose in this particular religion with
this particular God.
Either you believe in this God and obey all 613 Mitzvot
(Commandments) or you don't.
You cannot decide for yourselves which ones you choose to
believe.
THE BORG
Zinnic
> ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
>
> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
>
> Explanation
>
> The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
> counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because
> they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the
> theory is about.
>
> Example
>
> The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would
> fact it has.
>
> If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a
????? Are you serious ?
'No true philosopher' would commit your infantile fallacy that,
therefore, 'Communism is the natural and inseparable part of atheism'
and 'atheism includes the propaganda of Communism'!
As a true christian do you subscibe to the claim 'no true theist' has
engendered wars and crusades in which they enthusiastically
participated in terror and holocausts?
If so, I guess you are really selective in your Bible (OT) and
History readings.
William Smith
>
> The common feature is that those tyrannies were ALL ATHEIST REGIMES, and
> in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history. 100% of atheist
> regimes, without exception, have been murderous tyrannies!
>
Not true. Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
murderous tyranny. The opposition was persecuted. But there were no
death squads - unlike in some predominantly Catholic countries
in Latin America.
By the way, murderous tyranny of Adolf Hitler enjoyed support of
Catholic Church. It went so far as to celebrate his birthday
(Protestant churches did not). Less murderous tyrannies of Franco and
Mussolini also were supported by the Catholic Church.
AgitProp
> fasgnadh wrote:
>
> > The common feature is that those tyrannies were ALL ATHEIST REGIMES, and
> > in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history. 100% of atheist
> > regimes, without exception, have been murderous tyrannies!
>
> Not true. Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
> murderous tyranny. The opposition was persecuted. But there were no
> death squads - unlike in some predominantly Catholic countries
> in Latin America.
CIA supervisor Kissinger, his boss Rockefeller and their Emperor
Rothschild are NOT Catholics.
>
> By the way, murderous tyranny of Adolf Hitler enjoyed support of
> Catholic Church. It went so far as to celebrate his birthday
> (Protestant churches did not). Less murderous tyrannies of Franco and
> Mussolini also were supported by the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church supported Catholics, Hitler was British-trained
puppet surrounded by crypto-jews and occultists.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> �No True Scotsman� Fallacy
>>
>> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
>>
>> Explanation
>>
>> The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
>> they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the
>> theory is about.
>>
>> Example
>>
>> The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would
>>
>> If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a
Well, you don't appear to have refuted a single thing I've said. B^]
So, Yes. Serious AND unscathed!
What's more, you seem to be a complete imbecile who thinks
Lenin's admission has to be symmetrically reversible, it doesn't,
and your absurd attempt to make is so is simply irrelevant;
> 'Communism is the natural and inseparable part of atheism'
> and 'atheism includes the propaganda of Communism'!
caput mortuum. pffft!
> As a true christian
Oh, I see, you are just an ignorant dimwit who repeatedly
jumps to a confusion.
Two points:
1. I am not a Christian
2. your argument is therefore just more GIGO....
> do you subscibe to the claim 'no true theist' has
> engendered wars and crusades in which they enthusiastically
> participated in terror and holocausts?
> If so,
falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
run along lightweight, your were clearly out of your depth before you
even opened your mouth.
And this remains without a single fact rebutted or a single
rational argument refuted; B^]
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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> The common feature is that those tyrannies were ALL ATHEIST REGIMES, and
> >> in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history.
And as Fasgnadh is himself an atheist (non-theist), he must be, as he
claims all athesits are, a supporter of those regimes.
Or if Fasgnadh wished to deny being an atheist, let him prove it by
telling us which god(s) he believes in.
Since the only way not to be atheist is to be theist, if Fasgnadh fails
to pick a god to believe in, he automatically consigns himself to the
atheist party.
JTEM
fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Real-World Examples
>
> An argument similar to this is often arises when people attempt to
> defend the historical reality of atheism. For example
>
> EVERY atheist regime in history, (i.e. The USSR, Maoist China,
> Pol Pots Genocide, North Korea,
North Korea -- the only "example" that's actually in existence, isn't
an atheist state.
Zinnic
> Zinnic wrote:
> > fasgnadh wrote:
>
> >> ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
>
> >>http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
>
> >> Explanation
>
> >> The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
> >> counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because
> >> they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the
> >> theory is about.
>
> >> Example
>
> >> The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would
> >> fact it has.
>
> >> If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a
That you pick your cherries is not refutable. A different pick refutes
your obvious implication of guilt by association. I guess your
personal moral code allows you deny that this was your intent .
> > As a true christian
>
> Oh, I see, you are just an ignorant dimwit who repeatedly
> jumps to a confusion.
> > Two points:
>
> 1. I am not a Christian
> 2. your argument is therefore just more GIGO....
>
> > do you subscibe to the claim 'no true theist' has
> > engendered wars and crusades in which they enthusiastically
> > participated in terror and holocausts?
> > If so,
>
> falsus in uno, falsis in omnibus
>
> run along lightweight, your were clearly out of your depth before you
> even opened your mouth.
> And this remains without a single fact rebutted or a single
> rational argument refuted; B^]
>
Silly boy! Don't you know that it is impossible to rebut facts?
As to a "rational argument" ? Beyond your capability as an
obsessive/compulsive 'anti-atheist'!
Tip: Use of a dead language usually indicates shallow scholarship
and a lack of originality! Try to grow out of it!
Zinnic
to grow out of it!> >> By arbitrarily selecting ANY OTHER ATTRIBUTE,
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
fasgnadh
>> in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history. 100% of atheist
>> regimes, without exception, have been murderous tyrannies!
>
>
> Not true.
Over 70,000,000 people killed in the atheist holocausts in the USSR,
Maoist China and Pol Pot's genocide, and we still have atheist holocaust
deniers pretending that it didn't happen! 8^o
"Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated
all church property, including the churches themselves,
and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops
and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number
was subjected to persecution)
"The Soviet policy of state atheism (gosateizm), albeit
inconsistently applied, remains a major goal of official ideology.
Massive state resources have been expended not only to
prevent the implementing of religious belief in nonbelievers but
also to eradicate "prerevolutionary remnants" already existing.
The regime is not merely passively committed to a godless polity
but takes an aggressive stance of official forced atheization.
Thus a major task of the police apparatus is the persecution of
forms of religious practice. Not surprisingly the Commmittee for
State Security is reported to have a division dealing specifically
with "churchmen and sectarians"
- David Kowalewski, "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
Characteristics and Consequences." 1980. The Russian Review.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
Now we see how Atheists maintain their Non-Belief.. they SIMPLY
IGNORE THE FACTS!!!! B^D
---------------------
> Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
> murderous tyranny.
Bullshit! It is true that the regime was weakening, because ALL
the atheist regimes were catastrophic FAILURES, but people were
still dying in Soviet GULAGS.
Your argument is like saying Hitlers regime was not a murderous
tyranny becasue in the last two days before it collapsed the ovens
in auschwitz were not running.. becasue the regime was COLLAPSING!
B^p
Atheists are the most immoral shitpig apologists for mass murder on the
planet.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Over 70,000,000 people killed in the atheist holocausts in the USSR,
> Maoist China and Pol Pot's genocide
The "holocaust" of Nazi Germany was so called because they burned so
many of their victims, which makes the word totally inappropriate for
any tyranny which not burn their victims.
Thus, whatever went on outside of Nazi Germany is not properly caled a
holocaust.
Webster�s Concise Electronic Dictionary
1 sense(s) for �holocaust�
1. ho�lo�caust
� (noun) [ho�lo�causts]
� thorough destruction especially by fire
Proximity/Merriam-Webster U.S. English Thesaurus
1 meaning(s) for �holocaust�
1. (noun) a destructive burning
� (synonym) fire, conflagration, inferno
� (related) blaze, flame, flare, glare, burning, charring, scorching,
searing
, and we still have atheist holocaust
> deniers pretending that it didn't happen!
Also, the primary reason that Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot acted as
they did was to suppress opposition, whether real or imagined.
Thus they were just following the advice of that faithful catholic
Machiavelli.
forms of religious practice. Not surprisingly the Commmittee for
>
> > Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
> > murderous tyranny.
>
> Bullshit! It is true that the regime was weakening, because ALL
> the atheist regimes were catastrophic FAILURES, but people were
> still dying in Soviet GULAGS.
People die in prisons even in religious states.
>
> Your argument is like saying Hitlers regime was not a murderous
> tyranny becasue in the last two days before it collapsed the ovens
> in auschwitz were not running.. becasue the regime was COLLAPSING!
From the death of Stalin in Russia and the Death of Mao in China, the
atheism remained but the terror mostly ended, and Pol Pot was insane by
any standard, so that the crimes of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are due to
the nature of those tyrants, not to their religious beliefs,
>
Fasgnadh the most immoral shitpig apologists for mass murder on the
planet.
> >> The only benign atheists are the hypocrites who CHOOSE to live in
> >> majority religious societies
Of whom there are none. Where everyone, other than members of a majority
religion, CHOOSES to live, if they can, is in a state which protects
them from the domination by any religion, especially that majority.
Such nations,
Thus the vast majority of theists, when not in the majority religion of
a state, choose to live in the same sort of countries that atheists
choose to live in, namely, STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC STATES which
protect them from unwanted religious intrusion into their lives.
Modern civilization requires civilized governments to protect their
citizens from religion.
To the extent that they do this, they are civilized.
To the extent that they fail to protect, or worse, actively impose
religious practices on their citizens, they are barbaric.
http://www.webs05.com/images/religion/cartoons/atheist-cartoon.gif
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Zinnic wrote irrational nonsense, was eviscerated and RAN AWAY: B^D
>>>> atheist regimes, without exception, have been murderous tyrannies!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Q.E.D. They *are* the historical REALITY of atheism.
>>>>
>>>> The only benign atheists are the hypocrites who CHOOSE to live in
>>>> majority religious societies, and are thus constrained by the
>>>> prevailing moral values (and their own insignificantly small numbers)
>>>> from doing any serious harm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let the abstract, philosophical fantacists and utopian dreamers
>>>> who believe in an irrational and dogmatic hallucination bleat
>>>> and wail in their usual hysterical and rabid attacks of ad hom abuse,
>>>> lies and slander..
>
Virgil demonstrates why atheist tyrants were willing to kill over
70,000,000 people.. the arrogant belief of atheists that they
can force people to be one of them.
# From: Eunometic <euno...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,
# alt.agnosticism,aus.politics
# Subject: Who is the fasgnadh troll?
# Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:50:02 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
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#
#
# Now he has turned into a Muslim kook
#
# He's now a sort of muslim "the atheists will burn in hell" type of
# clown. Iidiotically fun but with the visciousness that comes from an
# evolving religious fantaticism.
>
> Or if Fasgnadh wished to deny being an atheist,
I don't need to, atheists have declared me a Muslim,
and an atheist, a religious fanatic, and an atheist..
all you have to do is prove how someone can be Muslim
AND an atheist...
off you go! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
You made the allegation, it is up to you to prove it,
but atheists cannot prove that night is day, just because
they have an irrational belief that it is so.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > fasgnadh demonstrated how he commits the No True Scotsman Fallacy:
> >>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> >>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
On the contrary, while you may defend the Q'ran "like a Muslim", and the
Bible "like Xtain, that does not make you either Muslim or Xtain, but
merely a hypocrite.
> all you have to do is prove how someone can be Muslim
> AND an atheist...
It is only fasgnadh who claims that, since "like a Muslim" does not mean
"is a Muslim"
> You made the allegation, it is up to you to prove it
When fasgnadh tries to sell us the wisdom and virtue of the Q'ran, he is
acting LIKE a Muslim. But he is actually only a hypocrite.
> but atheists cannot prove that night is day, just because
> they have an irrational belief that it is so.
if fasgnadh is an atheist, then it is up to him to prove it, and if he
is not then he is already some form of theist, and as they are all
pretty much the same, it really doesn't matter which form.
And since it is only fasgnadh who has such irrational beliefs, he is the
only one needing proofs of them.
Zinnic
> Virgil demonstrated how atheists commit the No True Scotsman Fallacy:
>> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >>Zinnic wrote irrational nonsense, was eviscerated and RAN AWAY: B^D
Not true! To set the record straight and to demonstrate fasnag's
pathological lack of integrity, let it be known that Zinnic still
awaits an answer to a post (NOV 22) that fasnahg ignored!!
fasgnadh
>> deniers pretending that it didn't happen! 8^o
>
> the primary reason that Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot acted as
> they did was to suppress opposition, whether real or imagined.
And that's the atheist excuse for slaughtering over 70,000,000 people?
They deserved it because atheist nutjobs and psychopaths 'thought'
they were 'enemies'.
That's 70,000,000 of their own COUNTRYMEN, you atheist LUNATIC!!! B^[
No wonder none of you live in those atheist shitholes.. you all
choose to live in MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies which have democracy and
freedom and prosperity and all the things that NO ATHEIST REGIME HAS
EVER MANAGED To PROVIDE!
Everyone else can join the dots.. why are atheists too stupid to do so?
>> "Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated
>> all church property, including the churches themselves,
>> and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops
>> and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number
>> was subjected to persecution)
>>
>>
>> "The Soviet policy of state atheism (gosateizm), albeit
>> inconsistently applied, remains a major goal of official ideology.
>> Massive state resources have been expended not only to
>> prevent the implementing of religious belief in nonbelievers but
>> also to eradicate "prerevolutionary remnants" already existing.
>> The regime is not merely passively committed to a godless polity
>> but takes an aggressive stance of official forced atheization.
>> Thus a major task of the police apparatus is the persecution of
>> forms of religious practice. Not surprisingly the Commmittee for
>> > Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
>> > murderous tyranny.
>>
>> Bullshit! It is true that the regime was weakening, because ALL
>> the atheist regimes were catastrophic FAILURES, but people were
>> still dying in Soviet GULAGS.
>>
>> Your argument is like saying Hitlers regime was not a murderous
>> tyranny becasue in the last two days before it collapsed the ovens
>> in auschwitz were not running.. becasue the regime was COLLAPSING!
>>
>> B^p
>>
>> Atheists are the most immoral shitpig apologists for mass murder on the
>> planet.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Q.E.D. They *are* the historical REALITY of atheism.
>>>>
>>>> The only benign atheists are the hypocrites who CHOOSE to live in
Shrikeback
> ‘No True Scotsman’ Fallacy
>
> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
The problem with all your crap is, we can point to
an atheist/agnostic regime. And really agnostic,
as it is commonly used, means the same thing
as atheist, since an atheist is just someone who
doesn't believe in a gawd.
We call that regime America, where religion is left
to the private sector where it belongs, at least
according to the Constitution. Thank Allah for the First
Amendment, eh?
Hell, in America, you can even watch nekkid
nazi flagburner porn on Sundays if you please.
Fran
And one might add, the raising of the "no true scotsman" fallacy is a
red herring. The question concerns causality. Wicks's claim is that
the atheism of regimes *causes* repression or religious adherents,
when it's arguable that other factors may have caused the regimes in
question to have both an atheist and repressive character. One test of
this might be to ask whether avoqing atheism got you any relief or
protection at all from arbitrary repression in these societies, and
the answer is that it didn't. Anyone perceived as a threat to the
interests of the ruling clique, even of a purely embryonic and
incipient character was likely to be repressed. Neither in the USSR up
to 1956 or China or Cambodia did being a member of the ruling party
did not make you immune to repression, even though almost all were
apparently sworn atheists. As we know, virtually the entire Bolshevik
Central Committee that made the October Revolution who weren't dead by
the purges was purged and killed afterwards. The Stalinist regime
reached out to Mexico to kill Trotsky.
Given that the history of each of the societies most often cited here
prior to the rise to power of ostensible atheists was one of brutal
repression of dissent by societies that were theocratic, it seems far
more reasonable to see the subsequent autarkies as simply new
iterations of longstanding cultural practice. That the new regimes
chose to repress the religious can be explained in incidental terms --
religious organisations were obviously competing sources of authority.
In Cambodia's case, people who spoke foreign languages or had foreign
connections were at risk. At the end of WW2 in the USSR people
returning from undercover work in the Red Orchestra in Germany were
put in jail, sometimes alongside captured Nazis, because they too
could have embarrassed the ruling clique.
It's hard to reliably attribute any of this to atheism, particularly
as atheism has nothing prescriptive to say about the nature of life or
ethics in general. Brutal regimes may wage repression on any basis
they think apt, and one may conclude that atheism is no constraint on
being a murderous psychopath, but as we have seen, murderous
psychopaths can come in any form.
Fran
bob young
fasgnadh wrote:
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> William Smith wrote:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No True Scotsman£ Fallacy
>>>>
>>>> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/
>>>>
>>>> Explanation
>>>>
>>>> The no true Scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in
>>>> order to prevent the refutation of one£s position. Proposed
>>>> counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely
>>>> because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are
>>>> not what the theory is about.
>>>>
>>>> Example
>>>>
>>>> The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would
>>>> refute a proposition, concluding that it hasn£t been falsified when
>>>> in fact it has.
>>>>
>>>> If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed
>>>> as a counter-example to the claim No Scotsman puts sugar on his
>>>> porridge , the No true Scotsman£ fallacy would run as follows:
Before you swear and defame other people, prove that any god exists.
Until that time comes [ROFLMAO] keep your disgusting childish
nonsense
and throw it on the nearest garbage disposal where it belongs.
Or put aother way - Grow up
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia£s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot£s regime."
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > the primary reason that Lenin, Stalin Mao and Pol Pot acted as
> > they did was to suppress opposition, whether real or imagined.
>
> And that's the atheist excuse
It is certainly the Christian excuse for things like the inquisition and
the many religious wars they fought.
>
> They deserved it
That's what the Christians said of all who did not kowtow to them.
>
> you all
> choose to live in MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies
Actually not. Religious folk who can afford to move may choose to move
to a religious nation, if any, in which their own religion dominates,
but would never move to a country in which their own religion is in a
minority unless that nation had a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNMENT to protect them from other religions.
Non-theists, being on the whole a good deal smarter than theists, also
prefer nations with STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS able to
protect them from whatever religious idiocies remain in those countries.
Fasgnadh himself, being apparently sufficiently non-theist not to admit
to believing in any particular god or gods, lives in such a nation,
Australia, with such a STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT which
protects him from unwanted intrusions of any religions.
If fasgnadh finds such protection unwanted, he is always free to move to
some nation more supportive of religious interference in all aspects of
one's life.
Virgil
bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> fasgnadh wrote:
Gobs of crap
>
> Before you swear and defame other people, prove that any god exists.
> Until that time comes [ROFLMAO] keep your disgusting childish nonsense
> and throw it on the nearest garbage disposal where it belongs.
>
> Or put aother way - Grow up
>
Amen.
fasgnadh
>
>
> we can point to an atheist/agnostic regime.
An atheist regime, in history, sure.. The USSR,
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
> And really agnostic,
Nope, atheism is not agnosticism, as all the agnostics,
who outnumber you LYING ATHEIST FUCKWITS orive:
# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
In an anonymous survey of this size we see clearly that agnostics
EXPLICITLY reject being defined as atheists, and they OUTNUMBER
atheists! B^]
Moreover:
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, 96% of them REJECT ATHEISM!
#
Only a pathetic 4% of non religious self-identify as atheists, and
when we observe how you moral defectives try to lie about them all
being atheists, we can see why they reject you as dishonest scum.
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
> as it is commonly used, means the same thing as atheist,
BULLSHIT, you self-deluding atheist LIAR!! There are the FACTS,
in the ARIS survey.. you have NO EVIDENCE of your claims because
you are LYING! B^]
I love watching you ignorant, arrogant moral defectives making idiots
of yourselves in public.
> since an atheist is just someone who
> doesn't believe in a gawd.
An agnostic says there is no conclusive proof for the non-existence of
God or the existence of God.. that is a rational observation, nothing
to do with your atheist assertions about 'belief'! B^]
The proof that you are full of shit is those 1,985,000 agnostics
and the other 30,000,000 non-religious (wiccans, pagans, Jedi,
no opinion..etc) who EXPLICITLY distinguish themselves from you
atheists, and who outnumber you 25:1 B^D
Suck it up, you are part of a tiny, insignificant cult, rejected
by rational agnostics and non-religious and by the rest of your
countrymen.
One reason is that every atheist regime has been a totalitarian
shithole.. the USSR, Maoist China, Pol Pots Cambodian genocide,
North Korea.. the other is because atheists are the most distrusted
and despised minority in the USA, and the dishonesty of your posts
wxplains that!!! B^D
# Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"
# - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
#
# "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota
# found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�
#
# "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
# other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
# American society.�
#
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
# least willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
# organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
# they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
# by a large portion of the American public.
#
# Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with
# an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
# behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
# social disorder is behind the findings.
# �Americans believe they share more than rules and
# procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
# understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our
# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
# self-interested individuals who are not concerned
# with the common good.�
#
# The study is co-authored by assistant professor
# Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann.
# It�s the first in a series of national studies conducted
# the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded
# by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation
# that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in
# the contemporary United States."
> We call that regime America,
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
America is not an atheist state!
It has a Beleiver for President, and almost 100% of it's
Congressmen are Believers, representing a majority religious
population, and the President was inaugerated with Prayer,
an oath on The Bible, and a Christian Minister's blessing!
The USA has "In God We Trust" printed on it's money,
not just in the hearts of it's MAJORITY (80%) of BELIEVERS!
Who do you fuckwits think you are fooling with your BLATANT,
SELF-DELUDING LIES????? B^[
DO you really think everyone is as gullibe as the atheist sheep
who swallow your shit without question??
Aren't there ANY atheists who can think and reason for themselves??
You appear to be an ignorant redneck twonk who confuses an ATHEIST
STATE, where the government is ATHEIST, implementing ATHEIST policies
(eg the USSR) with a democratic government such as the USA, where the
majority religious society creates a separation of church and state
so that no one religion can dominate all others by being allied with
the power of the state.
NO ATHEIST STATE HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING SO CLEVER!!! THEY HAVE ALL
BEEN TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES!!!
Only majority religious societies, (which dominate now as they have all
throughout human history, because they are superior forms of social
organisation to atheism) have sucessfully ensured RELIGIOUS FREEDOM,
including the right to NOT BELIEVE, by constructing open, pluralist
democratic MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies with seperation of Church and
state! Hallelujah! B^D
> where religion is left
> to the private sector where it belongs,
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
That is what JESUS told Christians it belonged..
"Render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar... " B^D
But you are eithr so ignorant or wilfully blind, you have no
idea what that passage meant..
So you live in an 80% majority religious society which
has built a democratic SECULAR GOVERNMENT, (filled with a
representative majority of BELIEVERS) who all agree to
allow you and your tiny irrelevant 0.7% of useless, do-nothing
bludgers who have never made a decent nation, let alone a
civilisation, in the entire span of human history, to enjoy
they benefits they have created, by following God's will,
commanded by Jesus!
B^D
PRICELESS! B^D
> at least
> according to the Constitution. Thank Allah for the First
> Amendment, eh?
PRECISELY!!! B^D B^D
The social, political, spiritual, economic evolution of man
has ALWAYS been guided and the RELIGIOUS MAJORITY in the USA
(it was an even LARGER MAJORITY at the nations founding! ;-)
has created a secular government with sensible separation
of church and state...
only atheists at one extreme, and fundies at the other
want to see religion curbed (as in the atheist shitholes
well documented in history) or ruling (as in the equally
failed theocracies) .. but the moderate rational religious
have been far wiser than either of those extremes! B^]
As the great world religions proclaim: "There must be
no compulsion in religion"
If only there had been a similar view in atheism,
to curb the unrelenting horror of the atheist regimes
of the 20th Century... what a horrorshow.
The PROOF of the superiority of majority religious
societies which have created and sustained free,
open, democratic nations.. is that even you atheists
CHOOSE to LIVE in them, not in the one atheist shithole
that hasn't completely destroyed itself, yet...
Among the righteous, you are tolerated, just as the
Jews and Christians were under the Caliphate, ;-)
just as they are now in the moderate Muslim states,
just as Muslims and Jews are in majority religious
Australia, Europe, USA, Canada, etc..
Of course because you are immoral atheists, you
abuse freedom and think it is license, even
your depravity is allowed
> Hell, in America, you can even watch nekkid
> nazi flagburner porn on Sundays if you please.
Genuine religion allows you Free Will, because God has.
You can be as depraved as you wish, (within the law,
which protects the children and the powerless, and should
protect the farmyard animals, from your sick depradations}
Basically what 2 consenting atheists do with their floppy bits
is up to them.. God is watching, but he does not punish,
as you do an excellent job of punishing yourselves, by being
such sad, loveless tossers!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!
You don't have to tell us how bestial nazi flagburner porn
turns you on, your Whorelord has bragged about how he
pimps his Sisters:
Agnostics were having a polite rational discourse with
some theists, talking about love, and diseased atheists
respond with their bestial psychosis;
# Subject: Re: Where's the Love in the Quran? EVERYWHERE,
# and in atheism- NOWHERE ..They DON'T GET IT!!!
# Read and see for yourself!
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam,
# alt.religion.christianity,alt.religion
# Message-ID: <6tqhe51h59m7badtj...@4ax.com>
# Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:11:14 -0700
#
# >>> @ "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# >>> @ unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# >>> @ save with such of them as do wrong;
# >>> @ and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# >>> @ and revealed unto you;
# >>> @ our God and your God is One,
# >>> @ and unto Him we surrender."
# >>> @
# >>> @ - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46
# >>>
# >>> That was revolutionary, it took the parable of the Good Samaritan,
# >>> where the religious Other who acts with Love is held up as more
# >>> righteous in the eyes of God as those orthodox of one's own faith
who fail to show love or do good.
# >>>
# >>> Outstanding! That is the Message of the Age.
# >>
# >> Maybe - but it is about surrender, not love.
# >
# > Exactly as my beloved does.. bending herself toward me..
# > and offering herself totally... as I also do to her beauty and
# > charms....
#
# Then you grab her tail and make her say 'Baaaaaaa'.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
In a discussion of MUTUAL LOVE and willing surrender,
the atheist thug reveals his misogyny and bestial force.
It's a common occurrence among the atheist perverts;
People talking about Cosmology were shocked to find Steve
touting his pornographic bent:
#From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: The Big Bang Theory
# Message-ID: <j9p7e550bbdcc9oij...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:46:34 -0700
#
# "Firnando" wrote:
#
# >The Big Bang Theory
#
# You wanna see the big bang?
#
# NSFW!
#
# http://www.ovguide.com/adult.html
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
If you Google the word "Mother" for Steve Knight, this is what you find,
Steve has to say about her;
# took his rubber cock out of his mouth, shoved it
# up his mother's ass and ...
#
# - From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,
# alt.agnosticism
# Subject: Re: Better place to debate theists?
# Message-ID: <8pj4e5pk7oi5ohvjp...@4ax.com>
# Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:06:52 -0700
His sick fantasies include violent murder and desecration
of the bodies of his enemies, men, women and children:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
This Atheist LEADER, who they all pay homage to, even sick females
like Trance Stupor who share his perversions, uses imagery full
of the violent misogyny he expresses in the posts above:
# From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: a.a.(atheist.angst.)
# OT(Ordinary and Tiresome) - not-a-Joke
# Message-ID: <i2cld5hbru4nugsib...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:37:21 -0700
#
# Your Dad wanted to watch me fuck your Mom in the
# ass and offered me a kilo of crack to do it.
# I told him she was so fucking fat and oily and smelled
# like two day old urine that I'd need at least five kilos
# and a gallon of Jack.
#
# The only thing keeping me interested is putting a bag
# over your sister's head and fucking her mouth.
# I love that cooing sound when she swallows my sperm.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
As he admits, (rather unecessarily ;-) atheists have serious mental
issues and they come to Usenet to share their personal problems:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists
Jung was right:
"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."
-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul
They cannot RECOGNISE Love, because they think it means
perverted SEX!!!!!!
Talking to an atheist about Love is like speaking to the BLIND
about the colours of a sunset.
The snip it all and make ANIMAL noises.. they are captives
of their Lower Self.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
Yes, why does Virgil the atheist do that all the time! B^D
> prove that any god exists.
Are you sure you can get Virgil the atheist tool to prove ANYTHING?
He is incapable of finding any proof, and cannot construct
a rational argument to save his life! B^]
> Until that time comes [ROFLMAO] keep your disgusting childish nonsense
> and throw it on the nearest garbage disposal where it belongs.
That is sure tellimg VIRGIL! B^D
> Or put aother way - Grow up
He can't, he's an atheist forger and FUCKWIT! viz: INFANTILE! B^D
But I AM PLEASED that the only line you felt able to critique
was Virgil's, and that you were UNABLE To FIND A SINGLE FAULT
YOU COULD DISPUTE in **MY** POST!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAH
Priceless!
The atheist fools have at each other!
>>>> # Militant Godless"
>>>>>> numbers)from doing any serious harm.
fasgnadh
> On Nov 22, 4:06 pm, William Smith <smit...@truth.gov.oc> wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>>> The common feature is that those tyrannies were ALL ATHEIST REGIMES, and
>>> in fact were the ONLY atheist regimes in history. 100% of atheist
>>> regimes, without exception, have been murderous tyrannies!
>
> It's hard to reliably attribute any of this to atheism,
No it isn't, you lying communist propaganda tool:
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense"
- Stalin
E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
�We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.�
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
�Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!� (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
> Fran
is a communist and an apologist for mass murder
in atheist communist states;
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
And communism which abandons the atheist dogma and stops
persecuting religion, can prosper, as religious freedoms
are precursors for economic ones :
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
--
Errol
Not sure if you've heard this before, but...... you're a total idiot
on 9 different forums, 6 different continents, 200 countries (Turvulu
doesn't have internet access yet), 42 different species (roos and
dingos are joking about you in the outback) and 6977 languages (Guugu
Yimidhirr doesn't have a word for idiot yet, in Yuchi, Kusunda, and
Ainu, the word for idiot is fasgnadh).
Fran
Posting this trolling nonsense is one way that he can self-affirm. One
suspects that outside of cyberspace, most people politely drift away,
but here at least he can pretend that people care what he says, even
if this amounts mostly to people calling him an idiot.
Fran
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> bob young accuses Fasgnadh of slandering people:
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >> Virgil wrote:
> >>> fasgnadh wrote:
> >
> > Before you swear and defame other people, like Fasgnadh is doing
>
Yes, why does Fasgnadh, the theist tool, do that all the time!
>
> > prove that any god exists.
>
Are you sure you can get Fasgnadh, the theist tool, to prove ANYTHING?
He is incapable of finding any proof, and cannot construct
a rational argument to save his life!
>
>
> > Until that time comes [ROFLMAO] keep your disgusting childish nonsense
> > and throw it on the nearest garbage disposal where it belongs.
>
> That is sure tellimg me!
>
> > Or put aother way - Grow up
>
>
> I can't, I.m an atheist forger and FUCKWIT! viz: INFANTILE!
>
> But I AM PLEASED that the only line you felt able to critique
> was mines, and that you were UNABLE To FIND A SINGLE FAULT
> YOU COULD DISPUTE in **VIRGIL'S** POST!!!
>
The theist has at himself!
> >>
> >> you all
> >> choose to live in MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies
False. Most of us do not choose where to live but have it thrust upon us.
Those of us who have been born into or thrust into those lucky nations
with STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS able to protect us from the
evils of theist persecution have no reason to move out of them
regardless of our positions relative to religion.
Most of us in such lucky nations, regardless of our positions relative
to religion, try to help other nations get equally secular democratic
governments so that they can enjoy equal protection from religion.
fasgnadh
> bob young wrote accusing Virgil of Slander:
>
> Gobs of crap
>
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> William Smith wrote:
>>>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Yes, why does Virgil the atheist do that all the time! B^D
>> prove that any god exists.
Are you sure you can get Virgil the atheist tool to prove ANYTHING?
He is incapable of finding any proof, and cannot construct
a rational argument to save his life! B^]
>> Until that time comes [ROFLMAO] keep your disgusting
>> childish nonsense and throw it on the
>> nearest garbage disposal where it belongs.
That is sure telling VIRGIL! B^D
>> Or put aother way - Grow up
He can't, he's an atheist forger and FUCKWIT! viz: INFANTILE! B^D
But I AM PLEASED that the only line you felt able to critique
was Virgil's, and that you were UNABLE To FIND A SINGLE FAULT
YOU COULD DISPUTE in **MY** POST!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAH
Priceless!
The atheist fools have at each other!
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's the atheist excuse for slaughtering
>>> over 70,000,000 people?
>>>
>>> They deserved it because atheist nutjobs and psychopaths 'thought'
>>> they were 'enemies'.
>>>
>>> That's 70,000,000 of their own COUNTRYMEN, you
>>> atheist LUNATIC!!! B^[
>>>
>>> No wonder none of you live in those atheist shitholes..
>>> you all choose to live in MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies
>>> which have democracy and freedom and prosperity
>>> and all the things that NO ATHEIST REGIME HAS
>>> EVER MANAGED To PROVIDE!
>>>
>>> Everyone else can join the dots.. why are atheists
>>> too stupid to do so?
They clearly can't answer! B^]
>>>>> # religion: monks were defrocked; temples and
>>>>> # artifacts, including statues of Buddha, were destroyed;
>>>>> # and people praying or expressing
>>>>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>>>>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>>>>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>>>>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>>>>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>>>>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>>>>> # instead of the family.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent
>>>>> # of the population, were worked, starved,
>>>>> #or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
> >>>> # Militant Godless"
>>>>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>>>>> #
>>>>> #
>>>>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>>>>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>>>>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>>>>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>>>>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>>>>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>>>>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>>>>> #
>>>>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>>>>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we see how Atheists maintain their Non-Belief.. they SIMPLY
>>>>> IGNORE THE FACTS!!!! B^D
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> > Post-Stalinist regime in USSR was authoritarian but not a
>>>>> > murderous tyranny.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit! It is true that the regime was weakening, because ALL
>>>>> the atheist regimes were catastrophic FAILURES, but people were
>>>>> still dying in Soviet GULAGS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your argument is like saying Hitlers regime was not a murderous
>>>>> tyranny because in the last two days before it collapsed the ovens
>>>>> in auschwitz were not running.. because the regime was
>>>>> COLLAPSING!
>>>>>
>>>>> B^p
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheists are the most immoral shitpig apologists for mass
>>>>> murder on the planet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q.E.D. They *are* the historical REALITY of atheism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only benign atheists are the hypocrites who CHOOSE
>>>>>>> to live in
>>>>>>> majority religious societies, and are thus constrained by the
>>>>>>> prevailing moral values (and their own insignificantly small
> >>>>>> numbers)from doing any serious harm.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> # American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
> #
> # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
> #
> # 2001 2008
> #
> # Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
> #
> # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
> #
> # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
> #
> # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
Fasgnadh stupidly ignores the obvious trend evidence in ARIS:
PERCENT INCREASES as derived from the ARIS data show
# CATEGORY PERCENT INCREASE IN 7 YEARS(2001 to 2008)
# Non- religious 15.90 %
#
# Religious 8.93 %
#
# Agnostic 100.30 %
#
# Atheist 79.71 %
Those who declare themselves atheist are almost certainly anti-theist
"there are no gods" atheists rather than the merely agnostic non-theist
form.
There is no evidence from the data in ARIS that many of those who are
self-declared merely as non-religious are not also of the merely
non-theist form of atheism.
One can only be sure that they do not OPENLY proclaim themselves to be
anti-theist atheists.
Since there are those who might choose not to openly proclaim anything
openly despised by up to 80% of the population, there is considerable
reason to doubt that all those admitting to being non-religious are in
any sense non-atheist.
Fasgnadh's permanently embedded rose-colored glasses hide the truth from
him, as usual.
>
> > "non-religious" as it is commonly used, means the same as the
> > non-theist type of atheist,
>
> BULLSHIT
Fasgnadh stupidly ignores the obvious TREND EVIDENCE in ARIS:
PERCENT INCREASES as derived from the ARIS data shows
# CATEGORY PERCENT INCREASE IN 7 YEARS(2001 to 2008)
# Non- religious 15.90 %
#
# Religious 8.93 %
#
# Agnostic 100.30 %
#
# Atheist 79.71 %
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> #
> # American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
> #
> # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
> #
> # 2001 2008
> #
> # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
> #
> # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
> #
> # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
> #
Fasgnadh stupidly ignores the obvious trend evidence in ARIS, in which
the religious group is a rapidly diminishing as share of the whole.
PERCENT INCREASES as derived from the ARIS data show
# CATEGORY PERCENT
INCREASE
# Non-religious 15.90 %
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil really got bored by fasgnadh's continued hate-mongering:
> > bob young wrote accusing Fasgnadh of Slander:
> >
> > Gobs of crap
> >> Before you swear and defame other people, Fasgnadh
>
> Yes, why does fasgnadh, the futile, do that all the time?
>
> >> prove that any god exists.
>
Are you sure you can getfasgnadh, the futile, to prove ANYTHING?
>
Fasgnadh is quite incapable of finding any proofs, and cannot construct
a rational argument to save his life!
>
>
> >> Until that time comes, Fasgnadh, keep your disgusting
> >> childish nonsense and throw it on the
> >> nearest garbage disposal where it belongs.
>
>
> >> Or put aother way, fasgnadh, Grow up
>
>
He can't, fasgnadh's a theist forger and FUCKWIT! viz: INFANTILE!
>
> > But I AM PLEASED that the only line you felt able to critique
> > was Fasgnadh 's, and that you were UNABLE To FIND A SINGLE FAULT
> > YOU COULD DISPUTE in **MY** POST!!!
!
>
FROM ARIS
http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/reports/highlights.html
<QUOTE>
The ARIS 2008 survey was carried out
during February-November 2008 and
collected answers from 54,461 respondents
who were questioned in English or
Spanish.
The American population self-identifies as
predominantly Christian but Americans
are slowly becoming less Christian.
� 86% of American adults identified as
Christians in 1990 and 76% in 2008.
� The historic Mainline churches and
denominations have experienced
the steepest declines while the non-
denominational Christian identity
has been trending upward particularly
since 2001.
� The challenge to Christianity in
the U.S. does not come from other
religions but rather from a rejection of
all forms of organized religion.
34% of American adults considered
themselves "Born Again or Evangelical
Christians" in 2008.
The U. S. population continues to show
signs of becoming less religious, with
one out of every five Americans failing to
indicate a religious identity in 2008.
<UNQUOTE>