To understand what foreign influence represents in Canada

[Steve Brown]

To understand what foreign influence represents in Canada and where it sneaks in, read "Wilful Blindness" by journalist Sam Cooper.

The page is dense and in English. To accelerate, control (CTRL) F on your keyboard and write in the window that opens this name: "Jean Chrétien". You will immediately be transported to where the former Prime Minister of Canada is being discussed.


https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/08/20/crime-corruption-and-interference-chinas-ccp-confluence-in-pc-canada/

[Steve Brown]

Then Prime Minister of Canada, Jean Chrétien had an ethics counselor to guide him. This ethics counselor then became his guarantor, which protected the politician.

Each time a politician, a political party is caught stealing, he comes back to the charge by putting forward a solution.

The book "Wilful Blindness" by journalist Sam Cooper, allows today a reflection on these eternal lies disrespectful of tax payers in Canada.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"This is alt.philosophy.zen, about Zen Buddhism."

[Julian]

This looks like you... https://twitter.com/jeffrey_rubard

[Jeffrey Rubard]

There's only one "Jeffrey Rubard" in history, as far as I know. (It's kind of an unfortunate name.)

[Julian]

So it seems.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

You equivocate: do you mean to "commend" the factual statement, or the value-judgement?

[Julian]

I don't inhabit your bifurcated, this or that, world.

There are never fewer than three options in any given scenario.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Um, that's so deep, dude. (Did you forget to tell people about the NDP, or something?)

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Disbasing Zen Stories, I think these people endlessly forget that Canada does not have a Liberal/Conservative "dichotomous" politics.
(The NDP came into full existence after their "routines" got finished, so it doesn't mesh well with the "legacy" code.)
"No means no, bro. Leave me alone."

[Noah Sombrero]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 14:27:27 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<rehashe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 3:31:23?PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 1:30:20?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>> > On 18/03/2023 15:06, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

>> > > On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:09:22?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>> > >> On 17/03/2023 15:26, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

>> > >>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:38:41?PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>> > >>>> On 13/03/2023 21:58, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

>> > >>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 5:24:39?AM UTC-7, Steve Brown wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Le samedi 11 mars 2023 à 17:54:23 UTC, Steve Brown a écrit :
>> > >>>>>>> To understand what foreign influence represents in Canada and where it sneaks in, read "Wilful Blindness" by journalist Sam Cooper.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> The page is dense and in English. To accelerate, control (CTRL) F on your keyboard and write in the window that opens this name: "Jean Chrétien". You will immediately be transported to where the former Prime Minister of Canada is being discussed.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/08/20/crime-corruption-and-interference-chinas-ccp-confluence-in-pc-canada/
>> > >>>>>> Then Prime Minister of Canada, Jean Chrétien had an ethics counselor to guide him. This ethics counselor then became his guarantor, which protected the politician.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Each time a politician, a political party is caught stealing, he comes back to the charge by putting forward a solution.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> The book "Wilful Blindness" by journalist Sam Cooper, allows today a reflection on these eternal lies disrespectful of tax payers in Canada.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> "This is alt.philosophy.zen, about Zen Buddhism."
>> > >>>> This looks like you... https://twitter.com/jeffrey_rubard
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There's only one "Jeffrey Rubard" in history, as far as I know. (It's kind of an unfortunate name.)
>> > >> So it seems.
>> > >
>> > > You equivocate: do you mean to "commend" the factual statement, or the value-judgement?
>> > I don't inhabit your bifurcated, this or that, world.
>> >
>> > There are never fewer than three options in any given scenario.
>> Um, that's so deep, dude. (Did you forget to tell people about the NDP, or something?)
>
>Disbasing Zen Stories, I think these people endlessly forget that Canada does not have a Liberal/Conservative "dichotomous" politics.
>(The NDP came into full existence after their "routines" got finished, so it doesn't mesh well with the "legacy" code.)
>"No means no, bro. Leave me alone."

Julian is british. They don't have a simple two party system either,
although it is mostly tory/labor.

Actually julian returns to his three options minimum when the politics
of the situation allows it. Mostly he likes two options too.
--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

You're a dipshit. They have Labour, the Lib Dems, the Conservatives, and even the Greens have a following now.

> Actually julian returns to his three options minimum when the politics
> of the situation allows it. Mostly he likes two options too.

That's fantastic, or is it "fabulous"?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Noah Sombrero]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 08:12:54 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<rehashe...@gmail.com> wrote:

And you are a usenet toughguy. It has been a lot of years since apz
had the pleasure. So you have found a home where you can be as
obnoxious as you please and there are no consequences rw or otherwise.
The rw offers few such havens.

>They have Labour, the Lib Dems, the Conservatives, and even the Greens have a >following now.
>
>> Actually julian returns to his three options minimum when the politics
>> of the situation allows it. Mostly he likes two options too.
>
>That's fantastic, or is it "fabulous"?

No.
--
Noah Sombrero

[Noah Sombrero]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 08:12:54 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<rehashe...@gmail.com> wrote:

yep, like I said,mostly tory/labor.

>> Actually julian returns to his three options minimum when the politics
>> of the situation allows it. Mostly he likes two options too.
>
>That's fantastic, or is it "fabulous"?

--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

You think this is a "clever trick", but it's actually just stupid. You can go ahead and count Lib Dems and Greens and UKIP as UK political parties,
because it's a multi-party system and they have representatives in Parliament. "I know that." But your stupid USian navel-gazing is more important
than any reality, I guess, including that "misdirection" violates basic conversational maxims and is thusly sort of "imbecilic". You know, like that
TV character "Teller".

[Jeffrey Rubard]

For some decades Canada, on the other hand, has basically had the three parties -- Progressive Conservative, Liberal, and New Democrat --
and someone's pea-brain would like to simplify this to merely two for people they "lord it over", huh? (The NDP never wins, so there's that,
but it's exactly "if wishes were horses" garbage.)

[Noah Sombrero]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 15:28:26 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

You actually don't know anything about my nationality or where I live.
Mostly is mostly, and not entirely. And the tories hold the majority
right now, so they call the shots when they can agree. When the day
arrives that the tories no longer hold the majority, far and away, the
odds are that the majority will be labor. Same deal in Canada, for
instance. Even though the ndp does in fact exist and hold seats in
parliament.

>than any reality, I guess, including that "misdirection" violates basic conversational maxims and is thusly sort of "imbecilic". You know, like that
>TV character "Teller".

--
Noah Sombrero

[Noah Sombrero]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 15:29:54 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 3:28:27?PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

Yes, sad but true. They don't win because people don't believe they
can, otherwise I have no doubt that they would.

>but it's exactly "if wishes were horses" garbage.)

--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"This is too dumb to submit as a 'superior' contribution to a conversation. Ever get told 'you act like Mick Jagger, but Mick Jagger is smart and
being self-deprecating'?"

[Noah Sombrero]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:44:57 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought you might not understand. The ndp doesn't win because
voters don't believe they can. They think voting ndp would be
throwing their vote away or in effect be voting for the opposition. If
voters were to believe that the ndp could win, the ndp would win.
--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

I think this is called "giddy-up" in the language of Southern US cheats, n'est-ce pas?

[Noah Sombrero]

You got me. I don't know who "southern us cheats are." I do think that
if you want to vote ndp but don't do that because you don't want the
conservatives to win, you have thrown your vote away.

--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"You're pretending. That's not the kind of sense Canadian politics makes."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

They're not called "the Conservatives", for example.

[Noah Sombrero]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 1:36:07?PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

>> On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 6:06:00?AM UTC-7, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> > On 2023-03-30 3:29 p.m., Jeffrey Rubard wrote:

I understand that NA voters don't think that way. Which means that
the ndp will never make a pm, unless they can find somebody with Jack
Layton's magic again. He made people willing to vote for him whether
or not they thought he could win, and he was winning. It did help
that he was battling cancer, dancing around with a cane, and out there
as strong as ever. And he had that long history of riding to
parliament on a bicycle with his wife. His commitment to his cause
was undeniable.

When the election came, and Mulcair had taken over, the ndp were doing
ok, but then he agreed with Harper about cutting taxes and blew it all
away. It was obvious that he was not the real deal.

The us is even worse. They might get a 3rd party start up once in
30/40 years. It will fail its first election and then fade away;
sticking around because you believe in something is not in their dna.

>They're not called "the Conservatives", for example.

Tories? Progressive Conservatives? To me conservative serves.
--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

They call themselves "Progressive Conservative" or "Conservative".
"The Conservatives" are the UK Conservatives -- it is not so written by Canadians.
(Revealed as a phony, like a "Noah Sombrero" somehow would?)

[Noah Sombrero]

On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 14:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Rubard
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:

So be it . I don't have anything to prove. I like the conservatives.
Small letters. That makes it universal. Sometimes I might even
forget the the.
--
Noah Sombrero

[Jeffrey Rubard]

It's just not really how the parties style themselves in Canada, right?
There could easily be a confusion with the UK Conservatives or "Tories", so...

[Jeffrey Rubard]

For the audience: Normal "obfuscation" of Canadian politics, "nothing special" and nothing useful
but you "wouldn't quite catch it" in interacting with a person trying to "run" this routine on you.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

...But they have three major parties, not two. "Whittling it down" a little bit, there.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"What's the diff?"
There is some difference, etc.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"But there's no 'diff'."
This is an 'occult' concept, relative to me. I don't know what it means to you.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"It doesn't matter."
What? To "fairy-stories" you tell about Canada, about "Justin" and so on?

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Oh no. Justin's real."
That premier Justin Trudeau is in fact an existent human being, at the helm of the Government of Canada.
Sure.
But as regards your approbative use of the word "real"...

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"So. But, like, dude... Justin's it. And I've got to tell you..."
It is conceivable that Mr. Singh could win the job, actually.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Highly unlikely."
But he is, like, a part of the objective world.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

(And actually lives in Canada.)

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Jagmeet Singh lives in Canada."
Sure.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Given what you've said, that seems obvious."
Sure. Try to 'keep it on a par', maybe.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

By, say, not claiming to be a citizen of a country you're not a citizen of, or something like that.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Are you a citizen of Canada?"
No. I'm a single-status US citizen from birth.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"What about Gavin McInnes, then?"
Is he a member of the well-known Canadian McInnes family? (I'm 'unsure' here.)

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Is there... perhaps another branch of the family? I can't quite connect him to any of the known McInnes people."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Wider World": "No, he's that florid US jackass you think he is."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Florid?"
"No, that's not what that means. He's starting to show signs of 'HIV wasting', though..."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Maybe you just 'read that' into the way he looks."
"Don't you think so?"

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"I guess his doctors would know."
Basically, yes.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Does the HIPAA law apply here?"
Yes, it would. (Also rules about "preexistent public disclosure", though.)

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Yeah, really. Basically, Gavin Newsom or anyone could have HIV and you couldn't really ask; it's 'medically private information' according to that law.
Their doctors would know, though. It's certainly possible."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Do you call him 'HIV Cocktail Davis' or something, bigot?"
Elsewhere: "The pharmacy is in Sacramento."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Candidly Revealing: "Actually, I pick up medications I need anywhere." "Why do your exes need them, though?"

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Do they, buddy? #everyonesays
"You're not my buddy."
You're not my "brother", either.

[Steve Brown]

What is your choice to govern your country?

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"You dope, it doesn't work on a 'Cross-X' format." #notanationallampoonmovie

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Oh, but it does."
No, everyday public life in the United States of America way doesn't have a 'parliamentary debate' format.
"Oh, he's 'getting' it!"
I think I realized that point in the mid-1990s, is it newer to you than that?
"Um... I'll get back to you."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Wider World: Since 1900 at least, "Suh, I..." and its ruder counterparts are totally bogus. No real "Cross-X" stuff at all.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Just too really, guys. "We have determined..."? They gotta go.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Wider World:
"There's no 'Riot Act'?"
There's never been a 'Riot Act' in the entirety of US history (including its worse eras), and these LARPers really can never
quite make their peace with this...

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Wider World:
"Is that really true?"
Yeah. Not even the antebellum era had a 'Riot Act'.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Does that make US law better?"
In theory, it could. (In practice, you don't 'read people the Riot Act', k?)

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"What would make it worse?"
Irresponsible fucknuts (like, say, today's SCOTUS) using hare-brained hair-splitting to...
"Hold up, wait, got the idea."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"But couldn't they keep that pseudo-logical dissimulation up as long as..."
I think the laws of thermodynamics would eventually stop them. But it's not as 'informative' as you would think it would be.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Instructive", more.
"Oh, I get it."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"Do you guys get this sense of 'instruction', the negative legal sense? 'Be sure to see it my way', etc?"

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Wider World: "Legal 'instruction', the negative kind, is a really bad thing. They keep 'leading you around by the nose' about their own problems..."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

Really, folks. It's not a good idea to listen to someone telling you 'Please be sure to see it like this..."

[Jeffrey Rubard]

...or to be the person to do it. "Too much advice person", etc.

[Jeffrey Rubard]

"You give lots of advice, hah hah, I get it."
Yes, but lots of it is of the form "It is Wednesday today." #usedtobecalledcountscrewloosefromtoulouse