"the world is my tutor" (was Re: crossposts and rick
Miller Jew
Zhou wrote:
DoctorNine wrote:
>
>Hey, Z-man. Deep stuff. Thanks for the reminder.
No reminder Friend :) jes adding to the
exquisite thought you produced (below)..
>>D9
>>The 10K each have their Way.
>>Seeing only one of them is a limitation.
>>Understanding this, the world is my tutor.
>
>
>Z
>'Tis so Friend D9... (addendum) micro-more..
>Te human-in-Tao, has many "worlds" in them
>also (whether physical, emotional, mental
>attributions); they most interest me as
>"tutor's" also.
D9
>And this is the essence of the Esoteric
>position. Cultivation of each 'facet' (world)
>and understanding the balance there, is seen
>in significant symbolic reference, by the
>internal circulation. Perhaps we should
>discuss this...
Indeed. Here's 3 bare-threading ways..
(1) Through (hidden)/esoteric stuff we can acquire means to
scaffold to our "essence"d nature. For a contemporary example,
pertinent to our 'worlds' emotional aspect, we have Jung's
investigation of our *unconscious* nature. Aim for? As you noted,
seeking "balance". Of course, we can go endlessly into Jungian
study to discuss more. And in respects to this a.p.t. forum
the wisdom of the east was significant to his investigation;
it induced a :::spark::: that un"limited" him. (fn)
(2) That the ancient Sages incorporated "symbolic references"
demonstrated not only their harmony with phenomenal living, but
by nature of their Sage Ways, instructed others like this, that
would be interested in being 'harmonious'. This was through
'symbols reading', or reading into symbols. Take the TTC. To me,
it is more than the Sages philosophical prose, but hidden in it,
instructive of meditation for the/en*light*enment. I oft look for
the (word)-symbols in it which delegates for this practice.
(3) And for "internal circulation" in Prof. Chang Chung-yuan's
text, "Creativity and Taoism", there's something there (re his
chapter "Process of Self-Realization") we might jump off of
to discuss also: "the INNER elixer is compounded through ching
(essence), ch'i (breath), and shen (spirit).." "According to
the Taoists, each of these three principles involved TWO aspects.
One is material, visibly manifested, the other is invisible
primordial power from the universe.")... hmmm.. to give this more
Jungian "stirring's, sensed primordial genetics in a Self?
circumabulating in a collective unconsciousness bouillabaisse?
umm..;)
Yers!
--Zhou
fn: "While working on this concept, Jung had a dream about a
well-fortified golden castle. He was painting this image in the
center of a mandala, which was Chinese in feeling, when he
received "The Secret of the Golden Flower" from Richard Wilhelm
with a request that he write a commentary on it. Jung was moved
by the event, which was a tremendously meaningful coincidence and
writes, "I devoured the manuscript at once, for the text gave me
undreamed-of-confirmation of my ideas about the mandala and the
circumambulation of the center. That was the first event which
broken through my isolation. I became aware of an affinity, I
could establish ties with something and someone. In remembrance
of this coincidence, this synchronicity, I wrote underneath the
picture which had made so Chinese an impression on me: "In 1928,
when I was painting this picture, showing the golden, well-
fortified castle, Richard Wilhelm in Franfort sent me the
thousand-year-old text on the yellow castle, the germ of the
immortal body." -- Jean Shinoda Bolen, M.D./ "The Tao of
Psychology: Synchronicity and the Self"
DoctorNine
reply after lunch. You say:
D9
>>>>The 10K each have their Way.
>>>>Seeing only one of them is a limitation.
>>>>Understanding this, the world is my tutor.
Z
>>>'Tis so Friend D9... (addendum) micro-more..
>>>Te human-in-Tao, has many "worlds" in them
>>>also (whether physical, emotional, mental
>>>attributions); they most interest me as
>>>"tutor's" also.
D9
>>And this is the essence of the Esoteric
>>position. Cultivation of each 'facet' (world)
>>and understanding the balance there, is seen
>>in significant symbolic reference, by the
>>internal circulation. Perhaps we should
>>discuss this...
Z
>discuss also: "the INNER elixir is compounded
>through ching (essence), ch'i (breath), and shen
>(spirit).." "According to the Taoists, each of
>these three principles involved TWO aspects.
>One is material, visibly manifested, the other
>is invisible primordial power from the universe."
>... hmmm.. to give this more Jungian "stirring's,
>sensed primordial genetics in a Self?
>circumambulating in a collective unconsciousness
>bouillabaisse?
>umm..;)
>
>Yers!
>--Zhou
>
>fn: "While working on this concept, Jung had a
>dream about a well-fortified golden castle. He
>was painting this image in the center of a mandala,
>which was Chinese in feeling, when he received
>"The Secret of the Golden Flower" from Richard
>Wilhelm with a request that he write a commentary
>on it. Jung was moved by the event, which was a
>tremendously meaningful coincidence and writes,
>"I devoured the manuscript at once, for the text
>gave me undreamed-of-confirmation of my ideas
>about the mandala and the circumambulation of the
>center. That was the first event which broken
>through my isolation. I became aware of an affinity,
>I could establish ties with something and someone.
>In remembrance of this coincidence, this
>synchronicity, I wrote underneath the picture which
>had made so Chinese an impression on me: "In 1928,
>when I was painting this picture, showing the golden,
>well-fortified castle, Richard Wilhelm in Franfort
>sent me the thousand-year-old text on the yellow
>castle, the germ of the immortal body."
>-- Jean Shinoda Bolen, M.D./ "The Tao of Psychology:
>Synchronicity and the Self"
As usual, stirring the pot, some interesting bits
float to the surface.
The places where long tradition has built a mythos,
are rich grounds for modern research; much of the
Daoist Esoteric tradition is built upon symbol, and
as such, shows profound insights into the Way we
all think, experience, and feel. Psychology may
use Jungian 'archetypal' phraseology, but in many
aspects, this may be translated into a Daoist type
of phraseology as well...
Simple observation will show us the Way of the
dog, the bear, etc. In this, we are instructed.
Similarly, more dispassionate observation of the
Way of men... engagement (Kongzi) disengagement
(Yang chu) has it's accumulated wisdom, but may
be verified in situ: in one's daily life, and so
becomes a means of instruction.
More subtle yet, are the Ways of our own -inner-
workings. Through meditation, cultivation of
simple skills, repetitive movement through
space, we come to sense our inner workings.
Accumulated wisdom exists here, as well. For
skeptics, literal reading of esoteric texts may
be less than fruitful, as the metaphor is lost.
Yet, much is available, with correlation in
personal experience. For this, tradition is
indispensible.
Many Ways exist; indeed more than anyone can
master. So it is, listening, we will hear.
When one learns to listen...
regards,
D9
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lisa
Thank you both for your dialoguing on the tutelage of the 10K through the 10K.
The book I'm reading by Maxine Hong Kingston, _The Woman Warrior_, is showing
me that by listening to the talk-story of the elders in the family structure,
the child was taught the traditional values of the family in China.
The similarity to the stories in Ms. Hong's book and the parables found in the
CT are quite similar except their maturity level is different, as is the
intent. What I like about the stories in the Woman Warrior is that, although
one is pretty much lead to the moral, there are always details left out. The
spaces are where the story is internalized and catalyzed into a message that is
uniquely the listener's. I don't see a parallel synthesis in Chuang Tzu's
parables; yet transformation takes place. Would anyone like to comment on this
further?
waiting to listen some more,
lisa
Miller Jew
oneo...@aol.com (lisa) wrote:
Zhou wrote:
D9 wrote:
Li
>Thank you both for your dialoguing on the tutelage of the 10K
>through the 10K. The book I'm reading by Maxine Hong Kingston,
>_The Woman Warrior_, is showing me that by listening to the
>talk-story of the elders in the family structure, the child was
>taught the traditional values of the family in China.
>
>Would anyone like to comment on this further?
Haven't read this in a long time Li; seems time for me to read it
again :) Over the year -as 'we're' in the west coast area- I've
met her a number of times through (this areas) Asian-American
conferences. A great lady. A great bridge-builder.
Regards,
-Zhou
lisa
That's most wondrous, Zhou. I am through 3 sections (No Name Woman, White
Tigers, and Shaman.) I would love to have a chance to meet the author of this
work. Think you can set something up for me, Z? ;)
Maxine's mom kicks major butt!
Lisa