Re: debate between a chinese and a french
Lionheart
> http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90780/91342/6393940.html
Totally fake, so it must be propaganda.
Kind regards,
Peter
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The phrase here "totally fake" means that the so-called "debate" was
"totally fake",
hence the following statement "so it must be propaganda".
If the so-called "Peoples Daily" found some French person so ignorant
of the history
of Tibet and China it's obvious that they wanted to set up a situation
to show that
one Westerner (and falsely hence *all* Westerners) are ignorant of the
history of
Tibet and China. Hence the "debate is a "fake".
There are many false dichotomies in the article, such as "one must be
pro-China or pro-Tibet"
in the debate.
Outright falsehoods such as the Dalai Lama sponsors and is sponsored
by the
Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan, etc - some years ago, before the Aum
Shinrikyo started to engage in
illegal activities the cult leader courted Lamas to pose with him in
photographs - there was never
any support that he was was teaching traditional buddhadharma or that
he held a lineage.
This is just an absurd lie. Lamas meet with Christians, Jews, Moslems,
Hindus, etc,
as part of an inter-faith dialog - it does not mean that they support
or endorse the views
of any group they meet with.
Then we have the bit about Tibet practicing "serfdom" in pre-1959
(before the Han-Maoist Invasion)...
The justification for the Invasion in Maoist terms. A "serf" is
someone treated like a slave - they
have no say in what their Masters tell them to do, no say in what
their society does, no freedom
to work where they want, to protest, - no vote, no freedom to speak
with others about their views,
no right to personal property, no say in the legal system, subject to
punitive imprisonment and
execution...That pretty much describes the plight of ALL modern
Tibetans under the corrupt
fake-Maoist Han racist regime, and sadly the plight of plight of all
people in China where they cannot
vote and so say who will be their leaders or what direction their
country or community will take.
Until there is democracy all peoples in China are serfs to the Party.
The Party that pollutes the environment and keeps the people just
above starvation
while the leaders grow rich and fat.
There are many good people in the Party who work hard for the benefit
of all people,
but the upper level of command is totally corrupt - they are the ones
who declare that
the internet must be censored and banned so that the people cannot
hear all the news
and views of the rest of the world. They lie to cling to power, they
enslave, they pollute,
and they aim to be the new Lords of capitalist China.
Autonomy for Tibet, Autonomy for every region. Democracy - let the
people be free to
find their own prosperity.
- n,
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add this on to why the so-called "People's Daily" article is fake and
j7ust Propaganda:
China salaries overseas Chinese for anti-Tibetan protests
Filed under: USA, Headlines | April 21st, 2008
Phayul [Saturday, April 19, 2008 21:25]
By Phurbu Thinley
The Global Human Rights Torch Relay, scheduled to pass through 37
countries, arrived in Minnesota (MN) State on April 16 on its America
leg of the ongoing relay. The torch arrived after passing through New
York earlier on Sunday. The organisers of the torch relay hope to draw
attention to human rights concerns in Tibet, as well as the Chinese
government’s persecution of the Falun Gong, Buddhists, rights
advocates and others.
In Minnesota, the relay kicked off from the State Capitol and arrived
at the University of Minnesota Coffman Front Plaza, covering 11 miles,
for the main even of the torch relay. Coalition to Investigate the
Persecution of Falun Gong, China Democracy Movement, MN Tibetan
community, Falun Dafa Twin Cities Club, Burmese representative,
Genocide Intervene were among others taking part in the torch relay
advocating: “The Olympics and crimes against humanity cannot coexist
in China”.
Upon reaching the University of Minnesota, Tenzin Namlha, a good
friend of mine who now resides in MN, was taken aback seeing an
unusually large contingent of supposedly pro-China campaigners
protesting side by side, apparently to disrupt the relay’s event.
Tenzin, who recently moved to US from Dharamsala, the seat of the
Tibetan Government-in-exile, was among some 300 odd members of MN
Tibetan community, who took a day off from work on Wednesday, to take
part in the peaceful human rights torch relay.
What shocked Tenzin most was when a Chinese student carrying a pro-
China banner approached him, in the midst of event, and asked him how
much he got to take part in it; evidently with no idea of the whole
torch relay event.
“What happened is that there were lots of pro-Chinese, and one of them
came to me and asks me how much I got,” Tenzin wrote in our usual
online chat. “He thought I might be one of them (Chinese),” Tenzin
went on.
“And then I asked him back (the same question) and he said he got 350
dollars (US) from the Chinese government to protest against us
(Tibetans and human rights activists). He specifically told us that
lots of students, almost all of them were paid to protest against
Tibetans,” he added.
During his brief interaction with the outwardly frank Chinese student,
Tenzin said he learned that pro-Chinese activists at the San Francisco
leg of Olympic torch relay were all paid to protest against pro-Tibet
campaigners. “And it’s not just yesterday, they were paid to go to
protest against us in San Francisco too,” Tenzin wrote in our chat on
Wednesday.
“The pro-Chinese in San Francisco were all paid to protest against us
man,” he wrote in his casual chat language.
Interestingly, what happened later proved even more unexpected for
Tenzin.
“So I asked him ‘why are you protesting, I mean do you have any idea
about what’s going on’” Tenzin went on with his narration.
“That Chinese guy told me he didn’t know what’s going on,” Tenzin
wrote saying he literally had to explain to his Chinese counterpart in
“detail” about what had been “going on in Tibet” and that the “Human
Rights Torch Relay” is “not talking about Tibet at all”.
According to Tenzin, on hearing the explanation, the bemused ‘Chinese
guy’ later put his banner down to join Tibetans and other groups to
denounce Chinese government of its human rights record.
“We were all talking about human rights in China and then he put his
banner down and joined our group!” Tenzin exclaimed, adding “It’s
really funny man”.
Tenzin further wrote: “He doesn’t even know why he is protesting. And
it’s not just him; he said most of the students who are pro-Chinese
don’t know why they are protesting”.
When asked how they get money from Chinese Government, Tenzin said he
was told by the Chinese stranger that one of the student’s or a
group’s leaders would take money from Chinese embassy or consulates
from respective locations and then pay them to individuals.
Displaying his sense of humor, the Dalai Lama began his talk Wednesday
at Mayo Clinic by saying he had come for a medical checkup and for not
much serious discussion. He displayed his arm where blood had been
drawn earlier. (Jerry Olson/Post-Bulletin)
Tenzin and other Tibetans later on the very same day went to
Rochester, which is almost two hours drive from Minneapolis, to see
the exiled Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama and to hear him
speak.
The Dalai Lama was attending a day-long conference at Mayo Clinic’s
Siebens Building titled “Investigating the Mind-Body Connection: The
Science and Clinical Applications of Meditation” where he also gave a
talk titled “Compassion in Medicine”.
Tenzin said he was again disturbed seeing many Chinese protesters,
made up of mostly Chinese students studying at the University of
Minnesota, outside the Mayo Clinic building, carrying Chinese flags
and anti-Dalai Lama and anti-Tibetan banners.
Tenzin said he and other Tibetans expected to get a glimpse of their
leader, but could not see him after waiting there for more than an
hour. He blames the Chinese govt-funded protest for obstructing their
chance to see the Dalai Lama.
“Well the Chinese really came into our nerves yesterday, but we all
Tibetans kept our patience,” Tenzin wrote before signing off.
Meanwhile, Chinese Communist Party’s official mouth piece, Xinhua,
which alone acts as the absolute source of Tibet related news in
China, carried the Rochester incident story as - Chinese Americans
protest against Dalai Lama’s separatist activities.
The story posted on Friday goes on to say: “American Chinese and
Chinese students across the United States have been voluntarily and
spontaneously staging a series of peaceful protests against the Dalai
Lama’s separatist activities as he tours the country.”