SUFISM-MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD-ARAB LEAGUE-WAHHABISM
elle
Wahhabism & the Muslim Brotherhood
This article attempts to show how the different Islamic movements are
united in their undeviating belief that Islam is the only way to
Paradise (heaven) as instructed by Allah. All Muslim luminaries who
have led Islamic movements have all, without fail, depended on Islamic
orthodoxy for their inspiration.There is little deviation in their
ultimate aims and the driving force is Allah and Jihad no matter how
it may be disguised or mitigated by Islamic apologists or their
sympathisers. It is the strict orthodoxy of Islam that has kept the
Islamic Umma together and united.
http://knol.google.com/k/mbp-lee/sufism-muslim-brotherhood-arab-league/1l23x9udotn1a/30#
elle
Read the article, it will let you understand how Islam relates to
Taoists.
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>Read the article,
How about a short summary.
Particularly how it relates to Taoism.
>it will let you understand how Islam relates to Taoists.
You mean, kill all the Taoists?
elle
Try link provided on July 21 at 19:13
Sorry topic is too complex to put it in 2 words.
Keynes
Are you reinventing the wheel?
After all you've studied sufism for nearly a week
and now you know all about it. Strangely, what
you know now is what you knew before you looked.
Astonishing. Amazing. Miraculous.
BTW not everyone who calls himself a christian
follows Jesus. Neither are all 'sufis' genuine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi
elle
And so Keynes you are an authority from Wikipedia information? Tell us
more. Are they fundamentalists? What does Wiki say about that?
Keynes
Wiki says that they take the koran as alegory.
But I already knew that. Have you ever heard such a thing?
Have you read any sufi poetry? You do know that there
have been sufi martyrs executed by the literalists who claim
to be their own (and everyone else's) ultimate authority.
Give it another week of study. But I'm afraid your mind
was made up before you ever looked into it, and your mind
will never change. So why go on? You already know the
ultimate truth of all things.
elle
Can't you stir up interest in your own threads? I have no time for
pettiness.
Keynes
So you suppose you're not being petty?
Interesting.
elle
I do not introduce myself to someone by telling him he is ignorant.
That is sheer arrogance. Show us what you know, not by trying to put
the other guy down, but by submitting your side of the argument,
unless of course you want to rule the roost.
Ruskin
wrote:
>On 23 July, 22:39, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:46:22 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 23 July, 20:37, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:41:36 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On 23 July, 16:59, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:50:13 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On 21 July, 19:13, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> SUFISM-Muslim Brotherhood-Arab League-Wahhabism
>>
>> >> >> >> Wahhabism & the Muslim Brotherhood
>>
>> >> >> >> This article attempts to show how the different Islamic movements are
>> >> >> >> united in their undeviating belief that Islam is the only way to
>> >> >> >> Paradise (heaven) as instructed by Allah. All Muslim luminaries who
>> >> >> >> have led Islamic movements have all, without fail, depended on Islamic
>> >> >> >> orthodoxy for their inspiration.There is little deviation in their
>> >> >> >> ultimate aims and the driving force is Allah and Jihad no matter how
>> >> >> >> it may be disguised or mitigated by Islamic apologists or their
>> >> >> >> sympathisers. It is the strict orthodoxy of Islam that has kept the
>> >> >> >> Islamic Umma together and united.
>>
>> >> >> >>http://knol.google.com/k/mbp-lee/sufism-muslim-brotherhood-arab-leagu...
>>
>> >> >> >Read the article, it will let you understand how Islam relates to
>> >> >> >Taoists.
>>
>> >> >> Are you reinventing the wheel?
>> >> >> After all you've studied sufism for nearly a week
>> >> >> and now you know all about it. 嚙磅trangely, what
>> >> >> you know now is what you knew before you looked.
>> >> >> Astonishing. 嚙璀mazing. 嚙瞎iraculous.
>>
>> >> >> BTW not everyone who calls himself a christian
>> >> >> follows Jesus. 嚙瞇either are all 'sufis' genuine.
>>
>> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi
>>
>> >> >And so Keynes you are an authority from Wikipedia information? Tell us
>> >> >more. Are they fundamentalists? What does Wiki say about that?
>>
>> >> Wiki says that they take the koran as alegory.
>> >> But I already knew that. 嚙瘡ave you ever heard such a thing?
>> >> Have you read any sufi poetry? 嚙磐ou do know that there
>> >> have been sufi martyrs executed by the literalists who claim
>> >> to be their own (and everyone else's) ultimate authority.
>>
>> >> Give it another week of study. 嚙畿ut I'm afraid your mind
>> >> was made up before you ever looked into it, and your mind
>> >> will never change. 嚙磅o why go on? 嚙磐ou already know the
>> >> ultimate truth of all things.
>>
>> >Can't you stir up interest in your own threads? I have no time for
>> >pettiness.
>>
>> So you suppose you're not being petty?
>> Interesting.
>
>I do not introduce myself to someone by telling him he is ignorant.
>That is sheer arrogance. Show us what you know, not by trying to put
>the other guy down, but by submitting your side of the argument,
>unless of course you want to rule the roost.
Elle, my that sounds so elegant for such a agent provocateur for
Allah. Don't you think so Elle? Are you FBI? Ha, ha!
elle
> >> >> >> you know now is what you knew before you looked.
>
> >> >> >> BTW not everyone who calls himself a christian
>
> >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi
>
> >> >> >And so Keynes you are an authority from Wikipedia information? Tell us
> >> >> >more. Are they fundamentalists? What does Wiki say about that?
>
> >> >> Wiki says that they take the koran as alegory.
> >> >> Have you read any sufi poetry? You do know that there
> >> >> have been sufi martyrs executed by the literalists who claim
> >> >> to be their own (and everyone else's) ultimate authority.
>
> >> >> was made up before you ever looked into it, and your mind
> >> >> ultimate truth of all things.
>
> >> >Can't you stir up interest in your own threads? I have no time for
> >> >pettiness.
>
> >> So you suppose you're not being petty?
> >> Interesting.
>
> >I do not introduce myself to someone by telling him he is ignorant.
> >That is sheer arrogance. Show us what you know, not by trying to put
> >the other guy down, but by submitting your side of the argument,
> >unless of course you want to rule the roost.
>
> Elle, my that sounds so elegant for such a agent provocateur for
> Allah. Don't you think so Elle? Are you FBI? Ha, ha!
Won't that be interesting? Why do you doubt when a straight question
is asked?
Ruskin
wrote:
>Won't that be interesting? Why do you doubt when a straight question
>is asked?
Because I want to be your hunchback, to your Maureen O'Hara. I'm
flattered by your enthusiasm for Tao, and I am being very typical in
my approach for better where-with-all in this matter. Pardon me.
I'm a smart-assed guy who has Chaung Tzu, as my only friend. Who needs
better, right? Just kidding. I know alot of people that are more real
than him. People get infatuated by their own designs, you know? Thats
what makes me a sex wizard...just kidding... I'm just playing on the
name Elle, like the mag, and I'm trying to have a good time. Am I
alright?
elle
Ruskin, I have already given you all the details in:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.philosophy.taoism/browse_thread/thread/30e372d6cc754777#
elle
Your profile does not show very much. Want to tell us your character
or purpose aside from kidding?
noname
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I did read that one.
Didn't see how it relates to Taoism.
>Sorry topic is too complex to put it in 2 words.
Use as many as you see fit.
Or not, if you don't care to share your view.
-in a bamboo grove
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> elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:46:22 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On 23 July, 20:37, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:41:36 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >On 23 July, 16:59, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:50:13 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >On 21 July, 19:13, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> SUFISM-Muslim Brotherhood-Arab League-Wahhabism
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Wahhabism & the Muslim Brotherhood
>>>
>>> >> >> >> This article attempts to show how the different Islamic movements are
>>> >> >> >> united in their undeviating belief that Islam is the only way to
>>> >> >> >> Paradise (heaven) as instructed by Allah. All Muslim luminaries who
>>> >> >> >> have led Islamic movements have all, without fail, depended on Islamic
>>> >> >> >> orthodoxy for their inspiration.There is little deviation in their
>>> >> >> >> ultimate aims and the driving force is Allah and Jihad
"All Muslim luminaries ..."
Looks like a sweeping generalization to me.
"There is little deviation ..."
But there is deviation.
How much is little?
The article provided one group
of Sufi and excluded all the rest.
That appears to me to suggest
that there is very little agreement.
The majority, it could be assumed
deviates a great deal.
"... and Jihad "
Always with the jihad stuff.
One brush paints all.
Anyone that varies is, therefore,
either not "true" or necessarily not, "luminary"
since, "All Muslim luminaries ... ."
That's a sweeping generalization
tucked inside of an assertion, meant to prove ?
What's the point of it?
How does it tie into Taoism?
>>> >> >> >> no matter how
>>> >> >> >> it may be disguised or mitigated by Islamic apologists or their
>>> >> >> >> sympathisers. It is the strict orthodoxy of Islam that has kept the
>>> >> >> >> Islamic Umma together and united.
It, "kept the Islamic Umma together and united."
And?
Here's what someone says about Umma.
'Ummah: the Muslim community or people,
considered to extend from Mauritania to Pakistan;
"moderate Muslims urge the Ummah to reject the terrorism ...'
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Obviously, according to wordnetweb.princeton.edu
there is some group called, "moderate Muslims"
who urge the community, which said community
extends to but is thereby limited to a region,
"to reject the terrorism ... "
Hence, the sweeping generalization
does not apply to, "All Muslims" across the board.
And I still don't get the tie into Taoism.
>>> > [... snip ...]
>>> >Can't you stir up interest in your own threads? I have no time for
>>> >pettiness.
>>>
>>> So you suppose you're not being petty?
>>> Interesting.
>>
>>I do not introduce myself to someone by telling him he is ignorant.
Looks to me as if somebody called somebody petty
and then said he basically doesn't do such a thing.
What's up with that.
>>That is sheer arrogance.
Ah. Okay. Never mind.
Looks like the old mirror is in effect.
>> Show us what you know, not by trying to put
>>the other guy down,
Such as, calling him petty?
>> but by submitting your side of the argument,
You mean, like tying something into Taoism?
>>unless of course you want to rule the roost.
Ah. Okay.
>Elle, my that sounds so elegant for such a agent provocateur for
>Allah. Don't you think so Elle? Are you FBI? Ha, ha!
Some trolling is unconscious
and unintentional, not necessarily
in that particular order.
Others are fully conscious.
The best write only one or two words
and then leave thru Hanku Pass.
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>Umar <ikhwan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello I would like to invite you to visit our website : http://www.ikhwanweb.com/
>
>Do you only spam for your website? If so, I'll add you to my killfile
>next time I see another one of your spam posts. Thanks.
I keep wondering about the Taoism stuff.
Is there any Taoism stuff on the website?
zenworm
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noname
I saw nothing in his post to indicate that it might even be possible
to find anything except Muslim stuff there. I'm right here where
Allah can find me, I don't need no Muslim stuff.
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elle
Zenworm, what did you say? I couldn't see it!
Moonshadao
> SUFISM-Muslim Brotherhood-Arab League-Wahhabism
>
> Wahhabism & the Muslim Brotherhood
>
Did you forget what forum you were posting to?
No one comes to a Taoist Philosophy forum to talk about
Muslim Religion. It is a philosophy forum, not a religion form,
and it is about Taoist philosophy not Muslim philosophy.
Don't post any links to previous posts that explain.
It doesn't matter if 'you' think there is a connection.
The people that post in this forum don't care about a connection.
They are here to discuss Taoist Philosophy.
I'm sure there are Muslim forums that care what you think
about your topic.
Respect for the topic of this forum would be appreciated.
oxtail
If you see a meesage that is not on topic in your opinion,
do not bother to comment on it.
That's the Daoist way of being on the Usenet.
--
oxtail
Moonshadao
I'm not a Daoist.
elle
Moonshadow are you the owner of this site?
Description All aspects of Taoism.
That means ALL ASPECTS OF TAOISM and its relationship with the rest of
the world be it the Uighers in Xinjiang vs the Taoist Han or Taoism vs
Islam, or Taoism vs. Capitalism or Taoism and Buddhism. Or Taoism and
Communism. All aspects means all aspects so long as it impinges or is
impinged upon by another philosophy or culture.
elle
Next, this site is not a totalitarian dictatorship for Taoism.
Please respect the Principle of "Freedom of Free Speech."
oxtail
He used to be the guarddog of this junkyard.
But I fired him.
Throw him a bone or two.
Any mention of martial arts will do.
--
oxtail
Moonshadao
There you go guys.
You are entertaining another self important asshole
that thinks he can post whatever he likes regardless of
content and relevance to topic.
He is here to glorify his theories an impress you
with his internet presence. Another egoist for the killfile.
Join "oxtail" in all his glory as village idiot.
A pompous English asshole that feels he must
educate you on the relevance of what he thinks is important.
You are in for a treat now.
elle
Moonshadao, your dirty knickers are showing. And they stink!
Moonshadao
Me knickers? Oh deary! Me mum would be ashamed.
elle
She should be, your behaviour is certainly shaming her.
shazi
and that was the daoist thing to do?
do you REALLY want to go there?
i don't, and i don't think rick does either.
you simply outlasted him.
does that make you proud of yourself?
>Throw him a bone or two.
>Any mention of martial arts will do.
and you don't know or understand rick.
you never did.
-shazi
kamerm
> On 24 July, 21:21, Ruskin <ruskinhod...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:48:27 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 23 July, 22:39, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:46:22 -0700 (PDT), elle <mbp...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 23 July, 20:37, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:41:36 -0700 (PDT), elle
>>>>>> <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23 July, 16:59, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:50:13 -0700 (PDT), elle
>>>>>>>> <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> SUFISM-Muslim Brotherhood-Arab League-Wahhabism
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wahhabism & the Muslim Brotherhood
>>
>>>>>>>>>> movements are united in their undeviating belief that Islam
>>>>>>>>>> is the only way to Paradise (heaven) as instructed by Allah.
>>>>>>>>>> All Muslim luminaries who have led Islamic movements have
>>>>>>>>>> all, without fail, depended on Islamic orthodoxy for their
>>>>>>>>>> inspiration.There is little deviation in their ultimate aims
>>>>>>>>>> may be disguised or mitigated by Islamic apologists or their
>>>>>>>>>> sympathisers. It is the strict orthodoxy of Islam that has
>>>>>>>>>> kept the Islamic Umma together and united.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Read the article, it will let you understand how Islam
>>>>>>>>> relates to Taoists.
>>
>>>>>>>> Are you reinventing the wheel?
>>>>>>>> After all you've studied sufism for nearly a week
>>>>>>>> and now you know all about it. Strangely, what
>>>>>>>> you know now is what you knew before you looked.
>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Amazing. Miraculous.
>>
>>>>>>>> BTW not everyone who calls himself a christian
>>>>>>>> follows Jesus. Neither are all 'sufis' genuine.
>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi
>>
>>>>>>> And so Keynes you are an authority from Wikipedia information?
>>>>>>> Tell us more. Are they fundamentalists? What does Wiki say
>>
>>>>>> Wiki says that they take the koran as alegory.
>>>>>> But I already knew that. Have you ever heard such a thing?
>>>>>> Have you read any sufi poetry? You do know that there
>>>>>> have been sufi martyrs executed by the literalists who claim
>>>>>> to be their own (and everyone else's) ultimate authority.
>>
>>>>>> Give it another week of study. But I'm afraid your mind
>>>>>> was made up before you ever looked into it, and your mind
>>>>>> will never change. So why go on? You already know the
>>>>>> ultimate truth of all things.
>>
>>>>> pettiness.
>>
>>>> So you suppose you're not being petty?
>>>> Interesting.
>>
>>> I do not introduce myself to someone by telling him he is ignorant.
>>> the other guy down, but by submitting your side of the argument,
>>> unless of course you want to rule the roost.
>>
>> Allah. Don't you think so Elle? Are you FBI? Ha, ha!
>
> is asked?
looking for bomb-making islamo-fascists among typing taoists?
my, the gov't really does have too much money!
-k