bioenergetics

[David Dalton]

Have there yet been any studies which have used modern
physics to demonstrate the existence of chi/ki/prana
(bioenergetics) and/or chakras, meridians and auras?

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David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:

>Have there yet been any studies which have used modern
>physics to demonstrate the existence of chi/ki/prana
>(bioenergetics) and/or chakras, meridians and auras?

Not much, afaik, however,
Kirlian photography is cool.

http://www.imagesco.com/images/kirlian/KirlianLeaf.jpg

http://www.kirlian.org/kirlian.htm

http://www.gregorydesilet.com/code/outre.html

http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/kirlian.html

[kamerm]

David Dalton wrote:
> Have there yet been any studies which have used modern
> physics to demonstrate the existence of chi/ki/prana
> (bioenergetics) and/or chakras, meridians and auras?

Hi David,

did some searches in Google Scholar since regular Google is jammed on the
pertinent keys with "practitioners" claims.
continue the search with:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=neuro-physiology+tcm+|+meridian+|+accupuncture&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33

Preliminary plausible articles:
http://www.whatisdryneedling.com/resources/Neurophysiology%20of%20Acupuncture.pdf
has some nice conjecture and background but little substantiation
as does
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1644959/pdf/procrsmed00334-0026.pdf
(from 1973)

most of the more substantial reasearch appears to be in Chinese, and thereby
inaccessible to me.

please report back to a.p.t if you find something substantial :-)

-k

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kamerm wrote:
> David Dalton wrote:
>
>> Have there yet been any studies which have used modern
>> physics to demonstrate the existence of chi/ki/prana
>> (bioenergetics) and/or chakras, meridians and auras?
>
>
>Hi David,
>
>did some searches in Google Scholar

Thanks!
I was unaware of this engine.

>please report back to a.p.t if you find something substantial :-)

My sister once had a pain in her neck,
which wasn't me, that persisted.

Her doctor suggested/recommended acupuncture
since nothing else worked.

On her first visit, pain eliminated.

She's a believer.

[TeeJay]

The neo-Taoists invented the little trick of autosuggestion.

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I did not know that.

Statistics might be substantial.

With placebos working around 1/3 of the time,
doubts about the existence of any cure might be raised.

With qi being equated to prana, as David did,
and both of those being similar to if not the same
as a life-force, and having something to do with breath,
it could be said that science, physics in ways, has
demonstrated the existence of such a force.

In a yoga book I'd read long ago, mention was made
of the theory being that the life force is in the blood,
in the oxygen in the blood.

Physics would agree,
I think, with that idea. Without oxygen, life is absent,
generally speaking.

Physics, or biology, or anatomy, or some science,
deals with a "circulatory" system, similar to, but a
bit different from the meridians. If there is a blockage,
there can be dire results. Pain, even death, is possible.

Instead of chakras, moderns have located glands
which are said to be centers or a vortex of where
hormones are produced and released into the systems
which carry various chemical-energies, similar to
yet perhaps a bit different from the ancients.

Stress has remained a bit of an unquantified factor
in contributing to the well-being of an organism.

Systems are interactive and perhaps difficult
to narrow down in terms of how effective relaxation,
or, aka, the mind, plays into the so-called body,
as if there are two different aspects of a
complete organism, which organism is other
than its environment.

MRIs are now validating brain regions
activated and supressed in deep meditation.

The ancients were definitely onto feelings
in terms of how energies flow. Moderns have
apparently refined those ancient ideas by cutting
plus stitching of bodies in labs.

Between glands and so-called organs,
tissues and hemispheres, structures are visible.

Wholism is gaining ground and respect
as being obvious in the eyes of many.

Gravity, or the Way in which spacetime bends,
could be viewed as being a life-force as a whole.

This natural tendency of stuff to ball-up and
roll along merrily, from chaos to planets,
from seas to legs to see, what is,
can be perfectly scientific.

The solar wind is a form of breath.
The collapse of a star and its producing
heavier than iron elements can be seen as
a form of expansion and contraction, similar to
if not the same as when lungs take in and
expel the energy of life. Or as plants
in terms how what they may dew.

A corona becomes visible
during an eclipse. A corolla becomes visible
after light is transformed into other sub-
stances. Up on under-standings.

Auras are said to be seen
by those who have an eye.

I'm not sure if it takes one
or if it requires a third.

- to know one