Re: Obama's medical support for the seniors.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 17:13:50 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>
>>> I had surgery at a Catholic hospital. They seemed to care about
>>> converting me more than making me stop hurting.
>> In Catholicism, suffering is redemptive.
>
> Not in tao?

Taoteching 50:

The Master gives himself up
to whatever the moment brings.

He knows that he is going to die,
and he has nothing left to hold on to:
no illusions in his mind,
no resistances in his body.

He doesn't think about his actions;
they flow from the core of his being.

He holds nothing back from life;
therefore he is ready for death,
as a man is ready for sleep
after a good day's work.

[duke]

Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?

duke, American - American

*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
>
> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?

Taoteching 71:

Presuming to know is a disease.
First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
The Master is her own physician.
She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.

[Mitchell Holman]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:

> duke wrote:
>>
>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>
> Taoteching 71:
>
> Presuming to know is a disease.
> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> The Master is her own physician.

Isn't a female Master a Mistress?

[linuxgal]

Female high school teachers in the better school districts have masters
degrees, not mistresses degrees.

[Mitchell Holman]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
news:tK6dnbygWMd88TPS...@giganews.com:

"Family Values" Republicans have mistresses, not masters.

[duke]

Full of holes, you mean, don't you?

[duke]

And sometimes a madam.

[duke]

How can you tell the difference?

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:55:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>>news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>>>
>>> Taoteching 71:
>>>
>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>>> The Master is her own physician.
>>
>>
>> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>
> And sometimes a madam.

How would you know? The most you've done with a girl is hugging her, and
she was repulsed by you. There is no question of this.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:55:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>>news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>>>
>>> Taoteching 71:
>>>
>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>>> The Master is her own physician.
>>
>>
>> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>
> And sometimes a madam.

At least when it comes to Family Values Republicans
and the whores they hang out with.



A staunch advocate of conservative platforms from
abstinence-only education to a constitutional ban
on same-sex marriage, the Republican Louisiana
Senator apparently had no problem with high-class
call girls, as his phone number was revealed to
be on a list belonging to a company owned by the
infamous "D.C. Madam." Larry Flynt's Hustler
magazine found the phone number and contacted
Vitter's office to inquire about it. The next
day, Vitter issued a public apology for his
"very serious sin," and later managed to retain
his seat in the Senate.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1721111
_1721210_1721123,00.html #ixzz1ugUECl30

[Uergil]

In article <fcosq7hag632kludg...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:57:59 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >duke wrote:
> >> On Fri, 11 May 2012 17:13:50 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I had surgery at a Catholic hospital. They seemed to care about
> >>>> converting me more than making me stop hurting.
> >>> In Catholicism, suffering is redemptive.
> >>
> >> Not in tao?
> >
> >Taoteching 50:
> >
> >The Master gives himself up
> >to whatever the moment brings.
> >
> >He knows that he is going to die,
> >and he has nothing left to hold on to:
> >no illusions in his mind,
> >no resistances in his body.
> >
> >He doesn't think about his actions;
> >they flow from the core of his being.
> >
> >He holds nothing back from life;
> >therefore he is ready for death,
> >as a man is ready for sleep
> >after a good day's work.
>
> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>

> Duck the Armenian Armenian

If there were, it would be preferable to an RCC one.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[Uergil]

In article <hpbtq752apo8c1jm4...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:57:21 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
> >> news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
> >>
> >>> duke wrote:
> >>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >>> Taoteching 71:
> >>>
> >>> Presuming to know is a disease.
> >>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >>> The Master is her own physician.
> >>
> >>
> >> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
> >>
> >
> >Female high school teachers in the better school districts have masters
> >degrees, not mistresses degrees.
>
> How can you tell the difference?
>

> Duck the Armenian Armenian

A masters degree spells out on the certificate that it is a masters
degree.

Of course only those able to read are capable of distinguishing
"Master" from "Mistress", so RC's like Duck may well be confused about
it.

[Uergil]

In article <sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:55:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
> >news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
> >
> >> duke wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >>
> >> Taoteching 71:
> >>
> >> Presuming to know is a disease.
> >> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >> The Master is her own physician.
> >
> >
> > Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>
> And sometimes a madam.

Only among RCs
>
> Duck the Armenian Armenian

[Uergil]

In article <qnbtq7pvucsvej0cb...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >duke wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >
> >Taoteching 71:
> >
> >Presuming to know is a disease.
> >First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >The Master is her own physician.
> >She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
>
> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?

Only among RCs.
>
> Duck, the Armenian Armenian

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>> Taoteching 71:
>>
>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>> The Master is her own physician.
>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
>
> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?

If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.

[linuxgal]

Uergil wrote:

> A masters degree spells out on the certificate that it is a masters
> degree.
>
> Of course only those able to read are capable of distinguishing
> "Master" from "Mistress", so RC's like Duck may well be confused about
> it.

Duke probably thinks when the Bible says "the grace of God that bringeth
salvation hath appeared to all men" that women are out of the loop.

[Mike Lovell]

On 2012-05-12, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> Duke probably thinks when the Bible says "the grace of God that bringeth
> salvation hath appeared to all men" that women are out of the loop.

Oh of course,

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and
the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
_(I Corinthians 11:3)_

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was
the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."
_(I Corinthians 11:8-9)_

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a
woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in
silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
_(I Timothy 2:11-14)_



Of course one or more of the following probably apply!

- I'm taking them out of context
- He moves in mysterious ways
- Only the elect can understand "It's a Jersey thang'"


--
Jews, Christians & Muslims
The content of your posts will show how much you
really believe God is looking over your shoulder

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
news:iYmdnUntf5jlczPS...@giganews.com...

What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and drives
10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the left lane on a
rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass him on the right?

[linuxgal]

Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>
>> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
>> the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
>> permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
>> never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.
>
> What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and
> drives 10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the
> left lane on a rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass
> him on the right?

The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
small maneuvers.

[Mike Lovell]

On 2012-05-13, Zacharias Mulletstein <zachariasm...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
>> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is the
>> hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic, permitting
>> forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but never used up,
>> ready to be used by another commuter.
>
> What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and drives
> 10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the left lane on a
> rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass him on the right?

You pass them then drive 10mph slower than *them* for a couple of miles,
show them how annoying it is.

Then you whack your foot down and leave them choking on your exhaust
fumes.

[Mitchell Holman]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
news:iYmdnUntf5jlczPS...@giganews.com:

> duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>>> Taoteching 71:
>>>
>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>>> The Master is her own physician.
>>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
>>
>> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?
>
> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
> the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
> permitting forward movement.

You not stuck in traffic.

You ARE traffic.

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:50:18 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <hpbtq752apo8c1jm4...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:57:21 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>> >> news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
>> >>
>> >>> duke wrote:
>> >>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>> >>> Taoteching 71:
>> >>>
>> >>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>> >>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>> >>> The Master is her own physician.

>> >> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?

>> >Female high school teachers in the better school districts have masters
>> >degrees, not mistresses degrees.
>>
>> How can you tell the difference?
>>
>> Duck the Armenian Armenian
>
>A masters degree spells out on the certificate that it is a masters
>degree.

That's a masculine word.

>Of course only those able to read are capable of distinguishing
>"Master" from "Mistress", so RC's like Duck may well be confused about
>it.

I didn't ask the question.

[duke]

No, I well know that the reference is to "mankind" as shown in the reference
"Adam", or "A-dam".

[duke]

If there is no question to you, you must be one hell of a peeping tom.

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:19:32 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:55:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>>>news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>>>>
>>>> Taoteching 71:
>>>>
>>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>>>> The Master is her own physician.
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>>
>> And sometimes a madam.

> At least when it comes to Family Values Republicans
>and the whores they hang out with.

I understand. JFK was a Republican, but willie clinton was a 'rat.

Did you hear the one about Chelsea's wedding. It seems Hilliary approached her
as a good mother and inquired as to whether she had sex with Mark yet.

Chelsea stated "not according to daddy".

>A staunch advocate of conservative platforms from
>abstinence-only education to a constitutional ban
>on same-sex marriage, the Republican Louisiana
>Senator apparently had no problem with high-class
>call girls, as his phone number was revealed to
>be on a list belonging to a company owned by the
>infamous "D.C. Madam." Larry Flynt's Hustler
>magazine found the phone number and contacted
>Vitter's office to inquire about it. The next
>day, Vitter issued a public apology for his
>"very serious sin," and later managed to retain
>his seat in the Senate.
>
>Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1721111
>_1721210_1721123,00.html #ixzz1ugUECl30

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:10:16 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>>> Taoteching 71:
>>>
>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>>> The Master is her own physician.
>>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
>>
>> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?
>
>If you understood Taoism,

I don't. I'm a Christian.

> you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
>the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
>permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
>never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.

Although God did it.

[duke]

Mullet at work???

[duke]

So what good is tao?

[duke]

There aren't any, and that's a clear indication they are not preferable.

[mind]

Zacharias wrote:
> linuxgal wrote:
>> duke wrote:

>>> linuxgal wrote:
>>>> duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>>>>
>>>> Taoteching 71:
>>>>
>>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>>>> The Master is her own physician.
>>>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
>>>
>>> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?
>>
>> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is the
>> hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic, permitting
>> forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but never used up,
>> ready to be used by another commuter.
>
>What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and drives
>10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the left lane on a
>rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass him on the right?

In the Zhuangzi there's a note about a boat.
The song goes something along these lines.

If you're rowing about on a lake,
and an empty boat has floated into yours
you probably don't get all pissed off about it.
It's accorded the same regard as a log
washed river in a storm.

If there's someone in the other boat though,
you do get all pissed off. That's called the hypcrisy
of the blind and self-righteous.

The reason other assholes piss you off
is because you're forgetting that assholes are
very similar to opinions. Every body has at least one.

At times, not only do people have one,
the one they have turns out to be who they are.

When this factoid is recalled,
then the other assholes on the Road
tend not to be as irritating. They can be forgiven,
seeing as how we're all in the same boat.

- oar knots naut

[mind]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> quoted:

>*****
>1 John 3:4-6
>4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
>sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
>appeared so that he might take away our sins.
>And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
>him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
>sin has either seen him or known him.
>*****

To repent
has been said to take an about
face from one's self and toward God.

So long as one's focus is toward one as
being an individual, as breaking rules,
then one is basically doomed.

Whenever one partakes of,
or even touches, the tree of the knowing of,
and dividing, good from evil, let alone eat
the fruit of that tree, one dies.

One has, in that way, become not-one.
One has separated one self from ones'elf
and is lost in a maze in a daze of duality.

Jesus provides a way out of duality.
For Christians, He is Dao.

For many Daoists, that's fine.
For Daoists there is a simple Dao.
What's called at times the Uncarved Block.

In the beginning was Dao.
Returning to Dao is Dao.

One can do it as a small child.
Born again in a Way. Reborn.

As often as one returns,
does this about face,
one may enter into Dao.

As often as one carves the block,
touches the tree of knowing differences,
especially between good and evil,
the Tree of Life is removed from the picture.

Some folks like Eden, the Heart-Mind or Xin.
Some folks enter with full knowing simply.
Others enter by forgetting.
Forgetting about good and evil
and that tree. Each dao can be Dao.

Some who like to argue, argue.
Some who like to accept, accept.
Some are alive, eternal, immortal.

Some have a Happy Mother's Day!

[duke]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:51:58 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:55:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>> >news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
>> >
>> >> duke wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>> >>
>> >> Taoteching 71:
>> >>
>> >> Presuming to know is a disease.
>> >> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>> >> The Master is her own physician.
>> >
>> >
>> > Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>>
>> And sometimes a madam.
>
>Only among RCs

Yes, madam.
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 07:55:37 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> quoted:
>
>>*****
>>1 John 3:4-6
>>4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
>>sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
>>appeared so that he might take away our sins.
>>And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
>>him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
>>sin has either seen him or known him.
>>*****

>To repent
>has been said to take an about
>face from one's self and toward God.

That's a good way to put it in such that you elect to avoid the errors in the
future.

>So long as one's focus is toward one as
>being an individual, as breaking rules,
>then one is basically doomed.

>Whenever one partakes of,
>or even touches, the tree of the knowing of,
>and dividing, good from evil, let alone eat
>the fruit of that tree, one dies.

Which all means telling God "no".

[linuxgal]

mind wrote:
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> quoted:
>
>> *****
>> 1 John 3:4-6
>> 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
>> sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
>> appeared so that he might take away our sins.
>> And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
>> him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
>> sin has either seen him or known him.
>> *****
>
> To repent
> has been said to take an about
> face from one's self and toward God.
>

In the Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons, Aenea, the One Who Teaches, boils
down her message to just two words: Choose again.

“Care to elaborate on that?”

“No,” said Aenea. “That’s the whole idea. Keep it simple. But name a
category and you get the idea.”

“Religion,” I said.

“Choose again,” said Aenea.

I laughed. “I’m not being totally facetious here, Raul,” she said. We
began climbing again. A. Bettik seemed lost in thought. “I know, kiddo,”
I said, although I had not been sure. “Categories… ah… political systems.”

“Choose again.”

“You don’t think that the Pax is the ultimate evolution of human
society? It’s brought interstellar peace, fairly good government, and…
oh, yeah… immortality to its citizens.”

“It’s time to choose again,” said Aenea. “And speaking of our views of
evolution…”

“What?”

“Choose again.”

“Choose what again?” I said. “The direction of evolution?”

“No,” said Aenea, “I mean our ideas about whether evolution has a
direction. Most of our theories about evolution, for that matter.”

[linuxgal]

mind wrote:

> When this factoid is recalled,
> then the other assholes on the Road
> tend not to be as irritating. They can be forgiven,
> seeing as how we're all in the same boat.

A monk came to Master Je Tzu and said, "Lord, how oft shall my brother
cut me off on the Road, and I forgive him? Till seven times?"

Master Je Tzu replied, "I say not unto thee, until seven times; but,
until seventy times seven."

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:11 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
>> drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
>> and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
>> a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
>> jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
>> while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
>> small maneuvers.
>
> So what good is tao?

The Tao doesn't take sides;
it gives birth to both good and evil.
The Master doesn't take sides;
she welcomes both saints and sinners.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:t2lvq715jma37fkmg...@4ax.com:

After all, look what happened the LAST time
we handed over the government to Republicans.








Federal deficit in 2000 = 0 (86.3 billion SURPLUS)

(country then elects a Republican president)

Federal deficit in 2001 = 32 Billion
Federal deficit in 2002 = 154 Billion
Federal deficit in 2003 = 374 Billion
Federal deficit in 2004 = 412 Billion
Federal deficit in 2005 = 318 Billion
Federal deficit in 2006 = 247 Billion

[Uergil]

In article <94lvq7p9rhc1bi3rb...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> >To repent
> >has been said to take an about
> >face from one's self and toward God.
>
> That's a good way to put it in such that you elect to avoid the errors in the
> future.

The trouble is, duckgumbo, that there is no evidence that there are any
directions towards any gods.

[Uergil]

In article <t2lvq715jma37fkmg...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:51:58 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:55:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
> >> >news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
> >> >
> >> >> duke wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >> >>
> >> >> Taoteching 71:
> >> >>
> >> >> Presuming to know is a disease.
> >> >> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >> >> The Master is her own physician.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
> >>
> >> And sometimes a madam.
> >
> >Only among RCs
>

> 2008 - end of an error

The problems all started with Shrub, and Republican intransigence since
then has prevented full recovery.

[Uergil]

In article <8b6vq7hteob3joa69...@4ax.com>,

Not at all. Since Tao is not as heirarchical or moneygrubbing as the
RCC, they do not have money to build such hospitals outside of Asia.

[Uergil]

In article <3a6vq714nve6dgdbh...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:11 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
> >>> the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
> >>> permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
> >>> never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.
> >>
> >> What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and
> >> drives 10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the
> >> left lane on a rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass
> >> him on the right?
> >
> >The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
> >drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
> >and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
> >a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
> >jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
> >while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
> >small maneuvers.
>
> So what good is tao?
>

> duckgumbo Armenian - Armenian

Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.

[Uergil]

In article <b76vq797fhsl80r95...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 20:31:28 -0500, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
> <zachariasm...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
> >news:iYmdnUntf5jlczPS...@giganews.com...
> >> duke wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> duke wrote:
> >>>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >>>> Taoteching 71:
> >>>>
> >>>> Presuming to know is a disease.
> >>>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >>>> The Master is her own physician.
> >>>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
> >>>
> >>> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?
> >>
> >> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is the
> >> hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic, permitting
> >> forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but never used up,
> >> ready to be used by another commuter.
> >
> >What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and drives
> >10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the left lane on a
> >rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass him on the right?
>
> Mullet at work???

More like some idiot RC telling his beads while texting.

Or do they now have rosary phones?

[Uergil]

In article <p36vq7tcaief5pg6n...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:10:16 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> duke wrote:
> >>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >>> Taoteching 71:
> >>>
> >>> Presuming to know is a disease.
> >>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >>> The Master is her own physician.
> >>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
> >>
> >> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?
> >
> >If you understood Taoism,
>
> I don't. I'm a Christian.
>
> > you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
> >the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
> >permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
> >never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.
>
> Although God did it.

I am not aware of any objective physical evidence that any god ever did
anything.

[Uergil]

In article <dt5vq7pp6gvr8eb31...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:19:32 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
> >news:sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com:

> I understand. JFK was a Republican

Anyone who "understands" that is incapable of telling true from false.

[Uergil]

In article <0j5vq7tr3t7un96uo...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:50:18 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <hpbtq752apo8c1jm4...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:57:21 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:tK6dnYCgWMcp9DPS...@giganews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> duke wrote:
> >> >>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
> >> >>> Taoteching 71:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Presuming to know is a disease.
> >> >>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
> >> >>> The Master is her own physician.
>
> >> >> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>
> >> >Female high school teachers in the better school districts have masters
> >> >degrees, not mistresses degrees.
> >>
> >> How can you tell the difference?
> >>
> >> Duck the Armenian Armenian
> >
> >A masters degree spells out on the certificate that it is a masters
> >degree.
>
> That's a masculine word.

A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.

And historically, Bachelor, Master and Doctor, as educational degrees,
were only awarded to males. But those times are long gone.

[SkyEyes]

On May 13, 4:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> I understand.  JFK was a Republican, but willie clinton was a 'rat.

Do I have to publically humiliate you, yet again, over the fact that
JFK was in reality a Democrat?

Seems like you'd get tired of being schooled on the subject,
eventually.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[duke]

No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a lesbian.

>And historically, Bachelor, Master and Doctor, as educational degrees,
>were only awarded to males. But those times are long gone.

I accept "bachelor", but master and doctor, no way.
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

[duke]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:06:34 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <dt5vq7pp6gvr8eb31...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 14:19:32 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>> >news:sobtq7t4s8mhner2n...@4ax.com:
>
>> I understand. JFK was a Republican
>
>Anyone who "understands" that is incapable of telling true from false.

Of course he was a Republican. No 'rat worth his salt would ever be caught dead
suggesting "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask instead what you can
do for your country."

[duke]

2007 - 160 Billion
2008 - 458 Billion
2009 - 1.4 Trillion
2010 - 1.3 Trillion
2011 - 1.3 Trillion
2012 - 1.3 Trillion

Lookie at that housing crash compliments of 'rat carter, 'rat clinton, 'rat
bfrank that took place in the latter half of the last decade. Gosh, that list
well shows how worthless our current administration is. Exactly zero ability
for leadership.

[mind]

As a Green in the States,
I would vote for my party's party.

As a Taoist at heart or in mind
I might vote without voting
for that office, particularly
if no Green is running.

Looking at the groups in the x-posted list,
I can't claim to be a member of them all.

As an atheist, I'm uncertain if that plays
into the election, given the candidates.

As a Christian, I trust God.
Whoever is placed in office is placed.

Rendering unto Washington what is,
helps me keep my brain from going hay-wire.

Some people might think God makes mistakes,
that their leader is not approved. Such thinking
might not be entirely scriptural in ways.

Picking and choosing which lines of which verse
versus which others to accept and reject
ties one back to the tree of
knowing this from that.

Taoism can be said to say
that with knowing arises knowing problems.

To solve those types of problems
simply recognize them for what they are.

With vehicles arise vehicle problems.
Doing away with vehicles solves vehicular problems.

Water is said to be a universal.

Why one might say such a thing
could mean something.

- eye rambles

[mind]

Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >To repent
>> >has been said to take an about
>> >face from one's self and toward God.
>>
>> That's a good way to put it in such that you elect to avoid the errors in the
>> future.
>
>The trouble is, duckgumbo, that there is no evidence that there are any
>directions towards any gods.

Joseph Campbell once said
something along the lines of how factual
evidence became all the rage recently.

And how truth, measured in facts,
became the only truth recognized as
being of any worth to one's while.

Then he went on to point out
how metaphorical truths go much deeper
than mere surface factual truths are able.

There is much evidence of this.
One may knead to dig it tho.

Anecdotal statistical evidence points
beyond the laboratory of replicable exactitudes.

Synchronicities and experiences add up
beyond the point of deniability
for those who have them.

Skeptics can argue from false positives
and other points of view. If true to themselves
however, they will also doubt their doubt.

- to be consistent

[mind]

linuxgal wrote:
>mind wrote:
>> duke quoted:

Water seeks out all directions
without having a mind to sew dew.

If forms without formulating.
It levels playing as it fields
flowers as it nourishes
without intention
nor with a will.

Being, as water,
is softer than ice
and rather fluid.

Non-being is
a different story.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:7gv1r7liii5a3veam...@4ax.com:

The last president to submit a balanced budget
to Congress was Clinton. The one before that was
Johnson. Why do Republicans always talk about
balanced budgets but never draft any?






"As President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called
for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never
submitted a balanced budget himself."
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

[mind]

The Road is wide and smooth
yet some folks like to go off-Road.

Some, call them what one will,
like to sneak in under the radar.
Perhaps they are no better than.

With sages arise crooks.
Without there being straight
there can be no curves.

With a lamb slain from the get-go
a big wheel was set in motion.

With wheels within wheels,
at times one may do a stand.

- while rolling rite a long

[mind]

Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>I am not aware
>of any objective physical evidence
>that any god ever did
>anything.

Semantics may often.
Be at play.

What constitutes physical evidence
can be provided in rocks.

Take, for instance, the Behistun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behistun_Inscription

Similar to the Rosetta, or the Hammurabi,
inscriptions in several languages hold keys
to deciphering arcane codes.

Given: Promises made thousands of years ago,
written down and buried in caves, as well as
passed along through the ages. Children,
as it were, as numerous as the stars
or grains of sand, if one could count them.
A commonwealth of nations. Etc.

Given: The people, once known as the people
of a particular god would forget about whom
they once were.

Given: Those same people, known by those
who had taken them away from the land,
who were once the northern kingdom, known
collectively as Ephraim, became known as
the Sacasuni or Sons of Isaac or Saxons,
also known as the Sythians, and Celts,
or the Isles afar off, came to dominate Earth
to such an extent that the Sun never set
upon their empire.

Given: a calendrical system which begins
at a particular point in time to mark the date,
adopted by those same people, who had once
been known as the people of the god, who had
forgotten about whom they once were,
who then, in that same place, became, again
known as the people of that god,
as it was foretold.

There is evidence,
for those with an eye to perceive it.
There is plenty. A great deal.

For those unable to see things, it is as if
the lights are there but there is no electricity.
As if they are unable to focus their vision.

If, however, they were to ask, to knock,
without knocking it, it is entirely possible
that a door will open. Answers given.

- specs vary
accordion to taste -

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 09:14:59 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:11 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
>>> drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
>>> and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
>>> a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
>>> jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
>>> while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
>>> small maneuvers.
>>
>> So what good is tao?

>The Tao doesn't take sides;

And from what you showed, it's as valid as Ms. Manners.

>it gives birth to both good and evil.
>The Master doesn't take sides;
>she welcomes both saints and sinners.

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 23:57:20 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <3a6vq714nve6dgdbh...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:11 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> If you understood Taoism, you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
>> >>> the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
>> >>> permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
>> >>> never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.
>> >>
>> >> What's it called when some prick pulls right out in front of you and
>> >> drives 10 under the limit? What about the dickwad who drives in the
>> >> left lane on a rural freeway under the speed limit, forcing cars to pass
>> >> him on the right?
>> >
>> >The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
>> >drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
>> >and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
>> >a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
>> >jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
>> >while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
>> >small maneuvers.
>>
>> So what good is tao?
>>
>> duckgumbo Armenian - Armenian
>
>Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
>can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.

Tao presents no moral code.

[Uergil]

In article <7gv1r7liii5a3veam...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> >Federal deficit in 2000 = 0 (86.3 billion SURPLUS)
> >
> >(country then elects a Republican president)
> >
> >Federal deficit in 2001 = 32 Billion
> >Federal deficit in 2002 = 154 Billion
> >Federal deficit in 2003 = 374 Billion
> >Federal deficit in 2004 = 412 Billion
> >Federal deficit in 2005 = 318 Billion
> >Federal deficit in 2006 = 247 Billion
>
> 2007 - 160 Billion
> 2008 - 458 Billion
> 2009 - 1.4 Trillion
> 2010 - 1.3 Trillion
> 2011 - 1.3 Trillion
> 2012 - 1.3 Trillion

And we are still digging out of the hole Shrub got us into.

[Uergil]

In article <d6n2r79e901660l1u...@4ax.com>,

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2012 09:14:59 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:11 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
> >>> drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
> >>> and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
> >>> a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
> >>> jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
> >>> while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
> >>> small maneuvers.
> >>
> >> So what good is tao?
>
> >The Tao doesn't take sides;
>
> And from what you showed, it's as valid as Ms. Manners.

There is just as much objective physical evidence of its efficacy and
reality as there is for that of your alleged god.

2008 - end of an error
Vote Smarter than dumbgucko in 2012

[mind]

Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>> > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>> >> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> >> >Mitchell Holman wrote:

>> >> >> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> duke wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Taoteching 71:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>> >> >>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>> >> >>> The Master is her own physician.
>>
>> >> >> Isn't a female Master a Mistress?
>>
>> >> >Female high school teachers in the better school districts have masters
>> >> >degrees, not mistresses degrees.
>> >>
>> >> How can you tell the difference?
>> >>
>> >> Duck the Armenian Armenian
>> >
>> >A masters degree spells out on the certificate that it is a masters
>> >degree.
>>
>> That's a masculine word.
>
>A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.
>
>And historically, Bachelor, Master and Doctor, as educational degrees,
>were only awarded to males. But those times are long gone.

Interesting, to me, is how connotations change
in terms of weight given to the baggage.

A mistress is one who is in charge.

Naturally, at times.

Taoism tends to lean toward the yin.
Rivers are drawn to an ocean.

A notion that lower is better
in this sense compliments
a pretty good idea.

Being a ruler
without measure
can be to be supreme.

[mind]

A lot does not mean all.

>>And historically, Bachelor, Master and Doctor, as educational degrees,
>>were only awarded to males. But those times are long gone.
>
>I accept "bachelor", but master and doctor, no way.

A bachelorette is kinda like a dudette.
But masterette and doctorette don't sound rite.

- wordswords

[mind]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:28:37 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <d6n2r79e901660l1u...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 May 2012 09:14:59 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >duke wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:11 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
>> >>> drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
>> >>> and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
>> >>> a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
>> >>> jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
>> >>> while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
>> >>> small maneuvers.
>> >>
>> >> So what good is tao?
>>
>> >The Tao doesn't take sides;
>>
>> And from what you showed, it's as valid as Ms. Manners.
>
>There is just as much objective physical evidence of its efficacy and
>reality as there is for that of your alleged god.

Tao is difficult to put into words.

The Way to swish a ball through a hoop
or sink a putt or hit a home run is Tao.

There is something called the Zone.
If one has ever been in one, one is One
in a manner of speaking. It's totally efficacious.

It's what puts the f in flawless,
changing the rules without changing the laws.
A real game-changer.

One might be one with God
and still go through sweating blood changes.
One might get oneself hung out to dry.
Be tested. Be tried. Purified.
As if one were gold.

The Sage, on the other hand, stereotypically,
avoids big problems by solving them early on.
Invisible, as it were, going unnoticed, kinda
like Being in the background.

The reality and efficacy of the blank screen
is how words are able to appear upon it.

Some say Tao is nothing. Wu.
Some say this is to say, undifferentiated.
Tao is integral to space and time.

The reality and efficacy of Tao
can be in the mind.

Does space really exist?
Or is it simply a measure of distance?

Does time really exist?
Or is it simply a measure of duration?

Of what use is time?
What about when
there is no time to waste?

Of there was no space
could you take it up?

Where would you put it?

Tao is in all things
yet is not those things.

Try to reify Tao
and you miss a point.

[duke]

On Sun, 13 May 2012 23:00:45 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <94lvq7p9rhc1bi3rb...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >To repent
>> >has been said to take an about
>> >face from one's self and toward God.
>>
>> That's a good way to put it in such that you elect to avoid the errors in the
>> future.
>
>The trouble is, duckgumbo, that there is no evidence that there are any
>directions towards any gods.

I have some. Do you want me to send you a few.
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

[mind]

Without a code
there are no code breakers.

With a code
there are those
who will shove it up
one's knows with a fire hose.

There are levels and layers within Tao-isms.

Heavy taxation, for example, is not-Tao.
War, for instance, is not-Tao.
Accordion to the TTC.

Some shit is better than other shit.

- thus has eye herds

[duke]

Good, that means the US is full of real faith-based hospitals.

[duke]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:01:29 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <p36vq7tcaief5pg6n...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 May 2012 16:10:16 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>> >duke wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:43:49 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> duke wrote:
>> >>>> Is there a Taoteching [sic?] hospital?
>> >>> Taoteching 71:
>> >>>
>> >>> Presuming to know is a disease.
>> >>> First realize that you are sick; then you can move toward health.
>> >>> The Master is her own physician.
>> >>> She has healed herself of all knowing. Thus she is truly whole.
>> >>
>> >> Full of holes, you mean, don't you?
>> >
>> >If you understood Taoism,
>>
>> I don't. I'm a Christian.
>>
>> > you would see that is a compliment. Tao is
>> >the hole that opens in front of you when you are stuck in traffic,
>> >permitting forward movement. The hole passes behind you, used, but
>> >never used up, ready to be used by another commuter.
>>
>> Although God did it.
>
>I am not aware of any objective physical evidence that any god ever did
>anything.

Then we're here because of magic.

[duke]

Mullet tells his beads?

[mind]

mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>> >duke wrote:

>>> >> linuxgal wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> The Freeway has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all
>>> >>> drivers. The Freeway doesn't take sides, it gives birth to both calm
>>> >>> and angry drivers. Anticipate trouble before it arises. The journey of
>>> >>> a thousand miles starts from your carport. Think of the small traffic
>>> >>> jam as large and the few cars as many. Confront the difficult commute
>>> >>> while it is still easy; accomplish the great journey by a series of
>>> >>> small maneuvers.
>>> >>
>>> >> So what good is tao?
>>>
>>> >The Tao doesn't take sides;
>>>
>>> And from what you showed, it's as valid as Ms. Manners.
>>
>>There is just as much objective physical evidence of its efficacy and
>>reality as there is for that of your alleged god.
>
>Tao is difficult to put into words.

Tao is Way cool.

In many ways
Tao is akin to second-nature.
It's sorta like having a knack.
Or getting the knack.

It's the ability to do
without doing, in a way.

Walking. Driving. Tao at play.
At first, there is first nature.
With practice, there may be perfection.

Take riding a bike.
To begin with, it's counter-intuitive.
When one begins to fall, the trick is
to turn into or steer into the fall.
Eventually one is able to ride
without hands.

Swimming is another example.
If one tries to clutch at the water
one will sink like a rock. Floating,
gently moving arms and legs,
are better ways.

There are realities to Tao.
Plenty of stories as well.

http://www.bopsecrets.org/gateway/passages/chuang-tzu.htm

http://www.taoism.net/living/2007/200702.htm

http://www.daoisopen.com/ZhuangziTranslation.html

Levels are able to level.
There can be more than one.

[{:-])))]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
>>

>>I am not aware of any objective physical evidence that any god ever did
>>anything.
>
>Then we're here because of magic.

When something is beyond comprehension
it may appear to be magical, and said to be.

Once it is known and understood,
how an airplane or bumblebee can fly,
or how to produce fire from sparks,
the trick kinda loses something.

That the Universe is able to make clouds
without having any intention to sew dew
may appear to be magic to an untrained
mind or eye or spirit.

That an individual might make it rain
is something for science yet to fathom.

Sometimes
in order to measure a thing
the thing itself is destroyed in the process.

A paradigm might induce its own reality.

On a motorcycle, traffic on the Road
is seen as if it did not exist. One may move
while riding a bike in traffic akin to how water
is able to glide through sand.

In a car, the reality is different.

The Road is the same.

At times there may be occurances
beyond the scope of science to replicate.

At times there may be a miracle of sorts
which one might, try as one might,
be unable to sort out nor through.

There may be a technique, a Dao,
where a doing-without-doing is seen
and felt as if it were magic.

Many things are possible.

The mind may play tricks.
Telepathy, remote viewing, psi,
all may occur, but not in a lab.

Synchronicities can add up
for one for whom there is found meaning.
As if by magic.

For the skeptic, subtraction
makes for all the differences.

If you were God, you might stack a deck.
You might want a great epic tale to take place.
To make a name for yourself. For the hell of it.

You might enter your drama, with passion,
take a starring role, harden people's hearts,
call whom you will and not allow scales
to be removed from other's mind sigh.

You might want people to have faith.

If there was no mystery, no magic,
then there would be no need.

Games are played and shows go on
because the ends are usually unknown.

A song is in the singing.
A dance is done by dancing.

The Universe is an abstract-
ion some people get a charge out of
being within.

How it works can be discovered.
Why it is, originally, remains a mystery.

You are a point of origin.

You are an author, director, producer.
You decide which paradigm to accept.

And which is incorrect.

If God exists, for you, that is yours.

If science is your only reality,
then that is yours.

- viewing views

[duke]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:57:10 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:

>>>> So what good is tao?

>>>Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
>>>can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.
>>Tao presents no moral code.

>Without a code
>there are no code breakers.

Which is why it is of no value.

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

*****

[duke]

??? Now that's a weird response.

>>>And historically, Bachelor, Master and Doctor, as educational degrees,
>>>were only awarded to males. But those times are long gone.
>>
>>I accept "bachelor", but master and doctor, no way.

>A bachelorette is kinda like a dudette.
>But masterette and doctorette don't sound rite.

Somehow I think you are a masturbation.

>- wordswords

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

*****

[duke]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:29:37 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

>On May 13, 4:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I understand.  JFK was a Republican, but willie clinton was a 'rat.
>
>Do I have to publically humiliate you, yet again, over the fact that
>JFK was in reality a Democrat?

No, he wasn't. He was a Republican. No 'rat worth his salt would ever be seen
saying "ask not what your country can do for you, but instead ask what you can
do for your country."

>Seems like you'd get tired of being schooled on the subject,
>eventually.

Whenever you're ready.

[duke]

Thanks to President Ronald Reagan.

>"As President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called
>for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never
>submitted a balanced budget himself."
>http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

He had the USSR to deal with.

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

*****

[duke]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 13:48:46 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:

>In article <7gv1r7liii5a3veam...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Federal deficit in 2000 = 0 (86.3 billion SURPLUS)
>> >
>> >(country then elects a Republican president)
>> >
>> >Federal deficit in 2001 = 32 Billion
>> >Federal deficit in 2002 = 154 Billion
>> >Federal deficit in 2003 = 374 Billion
>> >Federal deficit in 2004 = 412 Billion
>> >Federal deficit in 2005 = 318 Billion
>> >Federal deficit in 2006 = 247 Billion
>>
>> 2007 - 160 Billion
>> 2008 - 458 Billion
>> 2009 - 1.4 Trillion
>> 2010 - 1.3 Trillion
>> 2011 - 1.3 Trillion
>> 2012 - 1.3 Trillion
>
>And we are still digging out of the hole Shrub got us into.

Ask 'rat carter, 'rat clinton, and 'rat bfrank about who the real villain is.

duke - American American
*****

2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012

*****

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <iig4r7571a5537ov3...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:57:10 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
>>>>> So what good is tao?
>
>>>>Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
>>>>can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.
>>>Tao presents no moral code.
>
>>Without a code
>>there are no code breakers.
>
>Which is why it is of no value.
>

• an org whose moral code abets child diddlers is of what moral value?

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[mind]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> So what good is tao?
>
>>>>Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
>>>>can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.
>>>
>>>Tao presents no moral code.
>
>>Without a code
>>there are no code breakers.
>
>Which is why it is of no value.

Sometimes it's called the utility of the useless.

Law breakers arise due to laws.
Without laws there are no out-laws.

It's been pointed out how spokes are
connected in the middle of a wheel.
In the center there is a hole.
If not for the emptiness
an axle would be of no use.

A cup or a bowl is useful
because it can be empty.

Same with a door or window.

Being able to be empty
can be an essence of great value.

With global empires there arise problems
inherent in huge bureaucratic institutions.

Do away with imperialism, colonialism,
industrialism and corporatism, and the world
will be without those sorts of problematic situations.

The ancient texts lean toward having small states.

The nation-state of mind draws arbitrary lines.
It paints consciousness into a corner.
The stuff of war grows out of it.

Without nations, there would cease to be
fighting over national interests.

Without money to be made on profits
there would be no such losses.

Food for thought can satisfy the mind
which catches on fast and may be empty.

[mind]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:38:00 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 07:27:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:14:55 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.
>>>
>>>No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a lesbian.
>>
>>A lot does not mean all.
>
>??? Now that's a weird response.

It appears as though we read the same words,
and in this case the same sentence,
but see them as having a different meaning.

The statement was made,

"A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders."

The response was, "No ... ."
and then examples which apparently are sought to show
how, "A lot of" is not, "A lot of ...."

To cite two exmples of words,
one of which is not a masculine word,
to show how, "A lot of masculine words ... "
is not the case, is a bit off the mark, in my view.

A connotation of queer, as meaning homo-sexual,
can be a masculine word that does not apply to women.

That does not entail that there are,
"A lot of masculine words that now apply to both genders."

Even if one was to show there are a lot of masculine words
that do -not- apply to both genders, that does not preclude
that there -are- a lot of masculine words that -do, now-
apply to both genders.

To dispute or argue against
that there -are- a lot of masculine words
which now apply to both genders, the burden of proof,
or onus, would better be shifted back to the one
making the claim in the first place.

In other words, the challenge would be to name a few of,
"A lot of masculine words now apply to both genders."

So far, we got "Master" as in Master's Degree
that now applies to both genders.

>>>>And historically, Bachelor, Master and Doctor, as educational degrees,
>>>>were only awarded to males. But those times are long gone.
>>>
>>>I accept "bachelor", but master and doctor, no way.
>
>>A bachelorette is kinda like a dudette.
>>But masterette and doctorette don't sound rite.
>
>Somehow I think you are a masturbation.

Mirrors are often at play
when appears to see a so-called other.

Terms used, e.g. masturbation, can reflect
where in the body one's mind or energy is located.

At a survival level, one might be territorial.
At a heart level, one may be compassionate.
At a intellectual level, one can argues a point.
At a cosmic level, entrance into a void presents
itself as a possibility for sum as things all add up.

At newsgroup levels, there is the playing field.

As fields flower and grow trees with deep roots,
some enjoy the fruit, some touch the trees,
some pick at dirt, for whatever reasons they
may have for sew doing.

[duke]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:16:58 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> So what good is tao?
>>
>>>>>Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
>>>>>can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.
>>>>
>>>>Tao presents no moral code.
>>
>>>Without a code
>>>there are no code breakers.
>>
>>Which is why it is of no value.
>
>Sometimes it's called the utility of the useless.
>
>Law breakers arise due to laws.
>Without laws there are no out-laws.

And hence no moral fiber.

[mind]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:08:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:29:37 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On May 13, 4:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand.  JFK was a Republican, but willie clinton was a 'rat.
>>
>>Do I have to publically humiliate you, yet again, over the fact that
>>JFK was in reality a Democrat?
>
>No, he wasn't. He was a Republican. No 'rat worth his salt would ever be seen
>saying "ask not what your country can do for you, but instead ask what you can
>do for your country."
>
>>Seems like you'd get tired of being schooled on the subject,
>>eventually.
>
>Whenever you're ready.

Pmji, howEver,
from a Taoist pov, any of the 10k
can be yin, or yang, when compared
with some other of the 10k.

Compared with a tee-partier,
Tiger is on par with Jack.

Bobby was a cop.

Words usually have m'ore than One
meaning in particular. At times they wave.

- sub atomically

[{:-])))]

It is naive to think
that the economy is controlled
by a president or a cabal.

To give credit or place blame
tends to be a misguided effort.
Very human. Silly humans.

When an environment changes,
provisions better suited to an organism,
or an organization, encourage growth
into whatever niche manifests.

Voters lag behind curves.
Courts court the public mind years later.
Politics is a body growing out of
those who think in terms.

- of office workers

[duke]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:37:16 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:38:00 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 07:27:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:14:55 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.
>>>>
>>>>No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a lesbian.
>>>
>>>A lot does not mean all.
>>
>>??? Now that's a weird response.
>
>It appears as though we read the same words,
>and in this case the same sentence,
>but see them as having a different meaning.

>The statement was made,
>"A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders."

>The response was, "No ... ."

Actually, my response was "No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a
lesbian."

>and then examples which apparently are sought to show
>how, "A lot of" is not, "A lot of ...."
>
>To cite two exmples of words,
>one of which is not a masculine word,
>to show how, "A lot of masculine words ... "
>is not the case, is a bit off the mark, in my view.
>
>A connotation of queer, as meaning homo-sexual,
>can be a masculine word that does not apply to women.

It does not.

>That does not entail that there are,
>"A lot of masculine words that now apply to both genders."

You see it your way, I see it my way.

[mind]

Render unto Washington
that which is Washington's.

Legal tender tends to not be tender
when compared with other,
more compassionate, passions.

Passing the buck, it may stop there.
Where it was created. It may also be.

Other realms are available
for those with eyes to sea.

- in particular
and in waves -

[mind]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:12:29 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:16:58 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> So what good is tao?
>>>
>>>>>>Tao makes at least as much sense as any claims of god, and as far as I
>>>>>>can tell, never burned anyone at the stake.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tao presents no moral code.
>>>
>>>>Without a code
>>>>there are no code breakers.
>>>
>>>Which is why it is of no value.
>>
>>Sometimes it's called the utility of the useless.
>>
>>Law breakers arise due to laws.
>>Without laws there are no out-laws.
>
>And hence no moral fiber.

Exactly.

Without morality
there is no immorality.

To get rid of immoral behavior,
one way is to eliminate morals.

Ancient texts speak in such terms.

Doing away with positive stuff
eliminates all the minus sides of equations.

An equal sign separates
two sides of an equation.

There are always both sides
in such a paradigm.

To think good can triumph over evil
is a funny way lots of people think.

When people know what beauty is,
ugly is already in their mind.

Trying to get rid of ugly
by making things beautiful
is probably doomed on many levels.

Some folks try to get rid of ugly
without realizing how things go.

With what is right
there is what is left.

To think one can be in front
without someone else in back
is to think an strange thought.

To think everyone can be rich
without there being someone else
who is not as rich, can be a funny thought.

To presume there can be haves
without there being have-nots
might be a curious presumption.

Never-the-less
standards of living do rise,
as well as fall.

- on occasion

[{:-])))]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:32:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:37:16 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:38:00 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 07:27:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:14:55 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a lesbian.
>>>>
>>>>A lot does not mean all.
>>>
>>>??? Now that's a weird response.
>>
>>It appears as though we read the same words,
>>and in this case the same sentence,
>>but see them as having a different meaning.
>
>>The statement was made,
>>"A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders."
>
>>The response was, "No ... ."
>
>Actually, my response was "No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a
>lesbian."

Yes.

Arbitrary lines tend to be drawn
out of a spectrum of possible lines.

>>and then examples which apparently are sought to show
>>how, "A lot of" is not, "A lot of ...."
>>
>>To cite two exmples of words,
>>one of which is not a masculine word,
>>to show how, "A lot of masculine words ... "
>>is not the case, is a bit off the mark, in my view.
>>
>>A connotation of queer, as meaning homo-sexual,
>>can be a masculine word that does not apply to women.
>
>It does not.

In that context, yes. It does not.
That is not the original context of, "A lot of ... ."

Ignoring the original. Continuing
with your focus on what it means to be queer.

In a context of strange, unusual, different, odd,
quirky, to name a lot of other meanings, not only
can it apply to both genders, it can apply
to nouns without gender.

>>That does not entail that there are,
>>"A lot of masculine words that now apply to both genders."
>
>You see it your way, I see it my way.

You appear to think only in your queer way.

Why do you suppose that is?

Thinking in terms of queer, as odd, or strange,
it occurs to me how I value marriage, the word,
as being a sacred word, for me.

Words are not just hot air.
Words carry meaning.

These meanings are not fixed
and change over time.

For me, marriage ought to be saved,
as a word, for denoting (not just connoting)
a contract entered into between a man and woman.

I don't object to other legal arrangements.

What people prefer in their own perversions,
as if there are such ways deemed as perverted,
are up to those who do as they do. Kinky
can be in the rooms of the non-straight
and narrow paths of those who
are on those paths.

I've asked myself, why do I object
to having my sacred terminology spoiled?

It's an interesting quest-
ion for me to ponder.

I've forgotten my conclusion.

- taoist meditation

[linuxgal]

mind wrote:

> Trying to get rid of ugly
> by making things beautiful
> is probably doomed on many levels.

We see this same sort of thing in prison. The inmates, forced to live
without the opposite sex, spontaneously divide along male and female
principles and fashion their society accordingly.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:16:58 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
>> Law breakers arise due to laws.
>> Without laws there are no out-laws.
>
> And hence no moral fiber.

Moral fiber leads to regular flushing.

[linuxgal]

mind wrote:

> In other words, the challenge would be to name a few of,
> "A lot of masculine words now apply to both genders."
>
> So far, we got "Master" as in Master's Degree
> that now applies to both genders.

Why not try it the other way? For example, a male soldier may still
have a "dress uniform".

Exodus 28:40 And for Aaron's sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt
make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory
and for beauty.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:

> No, he wasn't. He was a Republican. No 'rat worth his salt would ever be seen
> saying "ask not what your country can do for you, but instead ask what you can
> do for your country."

You might be correct, Duke. After all, JFK presided over a large tax
cut. And he went toe to toe with the Rooskies.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:57:10 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>
>> Without a code
>> there are no code breakers.
>
> Which is why it is of no value.

A circus is of entertainment value, but who wants to watch a circus
24/7/365?

There is a time for being ahead,
a time for being behind;
a time for being in motion,
a time for being at rest;
a time for being vigorous,
a time for being exhausted;
a time for being safe,
a time for being in danger.

[mind]

{:-]))) wrote:
> duke wrote:
>> mind wrote:
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> mind wrote:
>>>>> duke wrote:

>>>>>> Uergil wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a lesbian.
>>>>>
>>>>>A lot does not mean all.
>>>>
>>>>??? Now that's a weird response.
>>>
>>>It appears as though we read the same words,
>>>and in this case the same sentence,
>>>but see them as having a different meaning.
>>
>>>The statement was made,
>>>"A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders."
>>
>>>The response was, "No ... ."
>>
>>Actually, my response was "No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a
>>lesbian."
>
>Yes.
>
>Arbitrary lines tend to be drawn
>out of a spectrum of possible lines.

Historically, queer may have been neuter-gender.
A queer thing was a different thing.

Gay used to mean happy.
Many people dawned their apparel at Christmas.
Knot sew any more. Not unless.

A lot of historically gender neutral words
and people change in their bias over time.

Trans may connote beyond,
as in transcendental. Or transpersonal.

Now-a-daze to be transsexual suggests conflict
in terms of roles and gender identity.
Inconsistency within a culture.

The word, master, which kinda started a converse
station from where trains of thought diverged,
took me through in reference to magistry.

Her majesty has royal power.

A God-claimed right to rule, by blood
lines running back into ages across mountains,
such as the Caucasus, through the Medes and
Persian empires, all the way back to Abraham,
via more roads than one, promised.

- with degrees

[{:-])))]

linuxgal wrote:
> duke wrote:

>> mind wrote:
>>
>>> Law breakers arise due to laws.
>>> Without laws there are no out-laws.
>>
>> And hence no moral fiber.
>
>Moral fiber leads to regular flushing.

Reading today
on Bao Pu's blog
about LaFargue's ideas
revolving around proverbs.

It was noted how sayings are
not to be taken too literally.

Poetic license can be akin to fishing.

- going, going

[mind]

Excellent point.

Nature is a feminine word.

All men have their own nature.
It's a side of them some don't care to admit.

Being at war, so to speak, with themselves,
they see odd strange things in others,
as their own image is reflected
while in denial of what is
only natural for many.

Reversal is said to be the motion of Tao.

Dao applies equally to yin and yang.

Wu might be neither, as Nonbeing.
Until it is coupled with Yu (Being).

Some equate Tao with Taiji.
Some equate Tao with Wuji.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taijitu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuji_(philosophy)

Tao is said to follow nature. Ziran.

http://www.wayist.org/ttc%20compared/chap25.htm

[mind]

Fiscal conservatism does not a 'can make.

Standing on tip-toes
one may teeter a totter
or tilt a whirl.

The office has its own Tao.
Those who find themselves in it
may find something Great
within themselves.

- on occasion

[linuxgal]

L. Raymond wrote:

> mind wrote:
>
>> Standing on tip-toes
>> one may teeter a totter
>> or tilt a whirl.
>

> What a self-important fool you are.

Day after day,
Alone on a hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool...

[duke]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 08:59:28 -0700, "{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:32:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 May 2012 06:37:16 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:38:00 -0700, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 07:27:20 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 14 May 2012 00:14:55 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a lesbian.
>>>>>
>>>>>A lot does not mean all.
>>>>
>>>>??? Now that's a weird response.
>>>
>>>It appears as though we read the same words,
>>>and in this case the same sentence,
>>>but see them as having a different meaning.
>>
>>>The statement was made,
>>>"A lot of historically masculine words now apply to both genders."
>>
>>>The response was, "No ... ."
>>
>>Actually, my response was "No, a queer is still a queer and a lesbian is still a
>>lesbian."
>
>Yes.
>
>Arbitrary lines tend to be drawn
>out of a spectrum of possible lines.

Meaning you're just full of bullshit.

>I've forgotten my conclusion.

I'm not surprised.

[mind]

L. Raymond wrote:
>mind wrote:
>

>> Fiscal conservatism does not a 'can make.
>>
>> Standing on tip-toes
>> one may teeter a totter
>> or tilt a whirl.
>>
>> The office has its own Tao.
>> Those who find themselves in it
>> may find something Great
>> within themselves.
>>
>> - on occasion
>

>What a self-important fool you are.

A president might be one.
That could be what it takes
to run for the office.

Fooling around in Usenet
isn't anything of much importance to me.
It's more of a refreshing meditation.

What brings you to cross-posting
into four different newsgroups at once?

Is it something of importance, to you?

- just curious

[{:-])))]

Exactly.
Wherever you draw your lines
that's the shit you've drawn.

>>I've forgotten my conclusion.
>
>I'm not surprised.

It's a Taoist thing.

I wonder if machine
used to be a masculine word.

And if the name of countries
would be along the same lines.

For instance, America might be said
to be something about Lady Liberty.

And, even though the land was named
supposedly after a man, you might now
call yourself an American. If the States
happen to be your mother country.

Lines vary.
Are yours written in stone?

[linuxgal]

{:-]))) wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:07:14 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Meaning you're just full of bullshit.
>
> Exactly.
> Wherever you draw your lines
> that's the shit you've drawn.
>

And yet Duke has no problem considering himself part of the Bride of
Christ, Holy Mother Church.