Marx Could Be The Most Important Philosopher in Today's World.
Kevin B. Murphy
religion is altruistic... Is it altruistic if a religious authority figure
became a religious authority figure because he wants to get to know and
understand people better? Well, maybe, since that is about the only way I
can swallow the idea of wanting to be known as a religious authority figure
myself but... Marx has nothing but contempt for what is known as the
'bourgeoisie'... There is no getting to know and understand the
'bourgeoisie'... The great irony of Marx is that people think that the idea
of communism is something that Marx would approve of but... the exact
opposite thing is true... It would vindicate Marx that the bourgeoisie
foolishly believes in the merits of communism. If anything, the merits of
communism *MOCK* the bourgeoisie. Marx gives us all something that religion
doesn't have an answer for. In my life, I've met the most rabid
anti-communist on the face of the planet... He was a redneck small business
owner with a business degree from a local college... There can be only one
rational explanation for why this particular person would be against
communism and that is because... He is in denial over being a communist...
or in other words, he is a poser... he wants to be associated with the
working poor's opposition to communism but doesn't want to have anything in
common with the working poor. Marx could be the most important philosopher
in today's world because he offers something that religion doesn't have an
answer for... and Liebniz is not the most important philosopher in today's
world because... his philosophy is based on to two things for the most
part... One of those is the assumption that Locke was a hedonist when in
fact Locke offered greed as a surrogate for compassion... and the other is
the assumption that philosophy is patterned on religion but... it is
irrelevant because of Marx... Liebniz could be ignored completely and it
wouldn't make any difference in philosophy.
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Denial of Free Will makes the Knowledge of Order Absolute.
Arindam Banerjee
"Kevin B. Murphy" <kmurp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm sure that most of us would like to believe or want to believe that
> religion is altruistic...
No. Religion is about personal salvation. When it becomes "altruistic" it
does not remain a religion. It becomes a business.
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Kevin B. Murphy
On 14-Dec-2009, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> It becomes a business.
Business is altruistic??? I'm certain you must be insane.
Arindam Banerjee
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> On 14-Dec-2009, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:
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>> It becomes a business.
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> Business is altruistic??? I'm certain you must be insane.
You have honesty and comprehension issues.
Kevin B. Murphy
On 14-Dec-2009, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> You have honesty and comprehension issues.
Maybe you're right since 'business' has a multi-trillion dollar
advertizement budget... who am I to argue? (shrug)
Arindam Banerjee
selectively cut and paste.
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chingang
<kmurp...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>On 14-Dec-2009, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda...@bigpond.com> wrote:
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>> It becomes a business.
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>Business is altruistic??? I'm certain you must be insane.
What about denial of Free Speech and point of view?
You seem to reflect that with your bombastic comeback.
Cormagh
> I had put inverted commas around altruistic. It does not help to
> selectively cut and paste.
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> > On 14-Dec-2009, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
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> >> You have honesty and comprehension issues.
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> > Maybe you're right since 'business' has a multi-trillion dollar
> > advertizement budget... who am I to argue? (shrug)
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> > Denial of Free Will makes the Knowledge of Order Absolute.
I don't know about honest, but I think we all have comprehension
issues.
What does it mean to put inverted commas about a word like altruistic?
Kevin B. Murphy
On 17-Dec-2009, Cormagh <cook...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't know about honest, but I think we all have comprehension
> issues.
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> What does it mean to put inverted commas about a word like altruistic?
Well, as the dictionary, I suppose I'm obsessed presently with defining what
is 'altruistic'... somehow, I don't see business trying to reprogram us to
believe that it means something differant than what it actually means
(fingers crossed)... of course, you never know, I once felt the same way
about the word 'character'... I don't suppose anyone has 'character' or
'integrity' anymore unless you're running for public office.
Chazwin
You don't actually say what you think Marx represents. You say a few
things between Liebniz and Locke, but it is hard to see
why any of this is relevant if you do not state why your red-neck is
really what you say he thinks he is not.
So, what did Marx say that no religion has an answer for?
On Dec 14 2009, 8:39 pm, "Kevin B. Murphy" <kmurphy...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Zurab57
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Just for one moment I want to draw your attention despite of
'business' and 'altruism':
Question: Is Marx so great phylosopher (and maybe the only one who is
now importent) as it sometimes appears to be?
Way to answer: Marxism teachs unconsiouse historical process. (L.
Trotsky). As L.Trotsky was one of the greatest Marxists of XX century
(and internationally oriented) we may begin from this.
Term Collective Unconsiuse of K. Jung gives us a key about motives
and
themes that point us to remains of collective unconciouse. These
remains of human experience made "primal images" or archetypes on the
basis of which are created all things in the world.content of all
religions, mythologies, legends and fairy tails. In the person it
appears in the form of dreams, visions and fantasies. (from J.
Platania "Jung for Beginners").
Now we can find material motives in the folcklore (oral tales). They
are about romantic robbers or pirates are known in the history of
every nation and in Georgia such character is Arsen Marabdeli and
well
known person alike him in oral legends was I.Stalin and everyone knew
that he robbed money transited to bank (with the help of his
countryman - and even citymen - Kamo -Ter-Petrosyan)
for the Revolution (better future for people). So collective
unconciose gives energy challenging historical processes. In what
extent this historical proces is unconciouse is another question. So
what maybe interesting for us:
1) We must negate that all unconciouse historical process is
material,
but material is the certain part of it.
2) As material motives, so the class struggle is partial slice of
more wide motives and developments and we may say that such
cataclysmes as revolutions which take quite important part in the
historical development and the resalt of which is obvious does not
make everything in the history, not to say about human life.
And we hardly can guarantee that revolutions are always just or fair.
Here is all main I have to say, I express my apologies for language
and spelling (without speller) and wait your opinions.
Zurab57
> the assumption thatphilosophyis patterned on religion but... it is
> irrelevant because of Marx... Liebniz could be ignored completely and it
> wouldn't make any difference inphilosophy.
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> Denial of Free Will makes the Knowledge of Order Absolute.
Can you point me what to read (if it is possible online) on J. Locke
and greed? This is the last point, I think, of my independent attempts
in Philosophy.
tooly
Chazwin
As an economist he has contributed more than any other to the 20th and
21stC.
> Way to answer: Marxism teachs unconsiouse historical process. (L.
> Trotsky). As L.Trotsky was one of the greatest Marxists of XX century
> (and internationally oriented) we may begin from this.
> Term Collective Unconsiuse of K. Jung gives us a key about motives
> and
> themes that point us to remains of collective unconciouse. These
> remains of human experience made "primal images" or archetypes on the
> basis of which are created all things in the world.content of all
> religions, mythologies, legends and fairy tails. In the person it
> appears in the form of dreams, visions and fantasies. (from J.
> Platania "Jung for Beginners").
Jung's archtypes as an idea have not stood the test of time, and are
largely rejected as a means to understanding.
> Now we can find material motives in the folcklore (oral tales). They
> are about romantic robbers or pirates are known in the history of
> every nation and in Georgia such character is Arsen Marabdeli and
> well
> known person alike him in oral legends was I.Stalin and everyone knew
> that he robbed money transited to bank (with the help of his
> countryman - and even citymen - Kamo -Ter-Petrosyan)
> for the Revolution (better future for people).
So collective
> unconciose gives energy challenging historical processes.
I do not see how this follows.
In what
> extent this historical proces is unconciouse is another question. So
> what maybe interesting for us:
You are assuming that there is a 'process'.
> 1) We must negate that all unconciouse historical process is
> material,
> but material is the certain part of it.
Why?
> 2) As material motives, so the class struggle is partial slice of
> more wide motives and developments and we may say that such
> cataclysmes as revolutions which take quite important part in the
> historical development and the resalt of which is obvious does not
> make everything in the history, not to say about human life.
> And we hardly can guarantee that revolutions are always just or fair.
We can guarentee that revolutions always involve death and
unhappiness.
Jerry
instead of writing about capital, to make some.
Zurab57
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Useful notes I'll try to take into consideration, if next time try to
think about Marxism as philosophy particularly true, but not ascribing
everything in history. What about 'process' it is the only way I have
learned Social Sciences. Thanks.