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M Winther
May 17, 2012, 4:34:42 AM5/17/12
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"Ilya Shambat" <ibsh...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:b918ee17-75f8-4254...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> I've made, and I continue to make, the case that the gender wars are
> fought by the worst elements in each gender. There is a reason for
> this stance.
>
> A good man will want to be good to the women in his life, and a good
> woman will want to be good to the men in hers. A man who does not
> want
> to be good to women in his life is a bad man, and a woman who does
> not
> want to be good to men in her life is a bad woman. And what we see
> in
> the gender wars is the worst elements in each gender claiming to
> speak
> for 50 % of humanity without the 50% of humanity having voted for
> them
> to do so.
>
> And this collossal usurpation of power, by the worst elements in
> each
> gender, keeps coming in exceptionally nasty ways at those men and
> women who are better than them.
>
> A woman who is hateful to men enough to avoid men is not at the risk
> of domestic violence; the woman who likes men enough to be with men
> is. And a man from a conservative misogynistic culture is not at the
> risk of being mistreated or falsely accused by women; a man from a
> liberal feminist-influenced culture is. Not only are the gender wars
> fought by the worst elements in each gender, but they come squarely
> down on the shoulders of the better elements in each gender. Which
> means that they create an incentive for both the men and the women
> to
> be the very worst thing that they can be, while maliciously
> attacking
> the men and the women who would not be the very worst thing that
> they
> can be.
>
> Most women are better than Andrea Dworkin and Catherine McKinnon.
> Most
> men are better than Michael Murphy, Glenn Sachs, Ash Patil, Barry
> Williams or the Fatherhood Foundation. What we see in each case is a
> collossal usurpation of power by the worst elements in each gender
> and
> a training of the other people in the gender to be as terrible as
> them.
>
> A correct answer to each set of usurpers and degenerators of
> humanity
> is vocal protest from the men - and the women - against these
> usurpers
> and degenerators. One such voice is Dr. Michael Flood in Australia.
> As
> an Australian man, he could have easily taken advantage of
> Australia's
> culture of brutality toward women to also treat women like trash.
> Instead he has dedicated his life's work to helping Australian women
> against men who would mistreat them. That is real goodness. It is
> more
> goodness than I've got. And the world would be a much better place
> if
> more men look up to Dr. Flood than they do to the likes of Michael
> Murphy, Glenn Sachs, Ash Patil, Barry Williams or the Fatherhood
> Foundation.
>
> The same is the case with women. The more the better women make a
> name
> for themselves, the more women will look up to them rather than to
> the
> likes of Andrea Dworkin and catherine McKinnon. And the less the
> worst
> elements in each gender are heeded, the greater the chance of there
> being a livable world.
>
> There needs to be an incentive for men to be good to women. There
> also
> needs to be an incentive for women to be good to men. Both men and
> women deserve better leadership: A leadership that teaches them to
> get
> along with each other instead of ripping each others' throats.
> Goodness by men toward women - and goodness by women toward men -
> must
> be incentivized; and ugliness on the part of each side must be dis-
> incentivized and confronted. This will lead to men being better to
> women, and to women being better to men. The immediate result is
> that
> both men and women will benefit.
>
> And the more the better elements in each gender speak up and become
> leaders, and the more the better practices are incentivized, the
> better will be the lot of both men and women and the better will be
> the world.
On account of the ongoing cultural fragmentation of Western society
the hope is forlorn that equanamity will define the relations between
cultures and ethnicities, economical classes, and the sexes. One must
be blind not to see the increase in hatred, psychological stress, and
bullying in society. The modern female collective is to a high degree
infected with narcissism. A woman who sees 'otherness' in many a man,
on account of him being different than herself, can rationalize her
fear and loathing as being wholly motivated, on account of the evil
and oppressive nature of the male species, as established by
misandrous feminist ideology. Men as a collective are viewed as
responsible for the evils that befall women. The phallic-narcissistic
individual is dependent on an economy of transference of guilt to
other groups or individuals. That's why it has little effect if
sophisticated individuals attaing high positions in society. Societal
mores and good role models mean little when they contrast strongly
with the psychic economy of the individual.
However, a narcissistic ideology or religion can furnish
institutionalized notions of scapegoating that has a pronopunced
therapeutic effect on the narcissistic individual. That's why inferior
individuals will be guided to power, and advanced individuals of good
intellect will gradually be pushed away. Cultural and ethnic
fragmentation will contribute to a regress to phallic-narcissistic
culture, away from the ideal of the free individual, and the notions
of democracy and free thought. I wrote something about the ongoing
regress here:
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/matriarchal.htm
Mats Winther
news:b918ee17-75f8-4254...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> I've made, and I continue to make, the case that the gender wars are
> fought by the worst elements in each gender. There is a reason for
> this stance.
>
> A good man will want to be good to the women in his life, and a good
> woman will want to be good to the men in hers. A man who does not
> want
> to be good to women in his life is a bad man, and a woman who does
> not
> want to be good to men in her life is a bad woman. And what we see
> in
> the gender wars is the worst elements in each gender claiming to
> speak
> for 50 % of humanity without the 50% of humanity having voted for
> them
> to do so.
>
> And this collossal usurpation of power, by the worst elements in
> each
> gender, keeps coming in exceptionally nasty ways at those men and
> women who are better than them.
>
> A woman who is hateful to men enough to avoid men is not at the risk
> of domestic violence; the woman who likes men enough to be with men
> is. And a man from a conservative misogynistic culture is not at the
> risk of being mistreated or falsely accused by women; a man from a
> liberal feminist-influenced culture is. Not only are the gender wars
> fought by the worst elements in each gender, but they come squarely
> down on the shoulders of the better elements in each gender. Which
> means that they create an incentive for both the men and the women
> to
> be the very worst thing that they can be, while maliciously
> attacking
> the men and the women who would not be the very worst thing that
> they
> can be.
>
> Most women are better than Andrea Dworkin and Catherine McKinnon.
> Most
> men are better than Michael Murphy, Glenn Sachs, Ash Patil, Barry
> Williams or the Fatherhood Foundation. What we see in each case is a
> collossal usurpation of power by the worst elements in each gender
> and
> a training of the other people in the gender to be as terrible as
> them.
>
> A correct answer to each set of usurpers and degenerators of
> humanity
> is vocal protest from the men - and the women - against these
> usurpers
> and degenerators. One such voice is Dr. Michael Flood in Australia.
> As
> an Australian man, he could have easily taken advantage of
> Australia's
> culture of brutality toward women to also treat women like trash.
> Instead he has dedicated his life's work to helping Australian women
> against men who would mistreat them. That is real goodness. It is
> more
> goodness than I've got. And the world would be a much better place
> if
> more men look up to Dr. Flood than they do to the likes of Michael
> Murphy, Glenn Sachs, Ash Patil, Barry Williams or the Fatherhood
> Foundation.
>
> The same is the case with women. The more the better women make a
> name
> for themselves, the more women will look up to them rather than to
> the
> likes of Andrea Dworkin and catherine McKinnon. And the less the
> worst
> elements in each gender are heeded, the greater the chance of there
> being a livable world.
>
> There needs to be an incentive for men to be good to women. There
> also
> needs to be an incentive for women to be good to men. Both men and
> women deserve better leadership: A leadership that teaches them to
> get
> along with each other instead of ripping each others' throats.
> Goodness by men toward women - and goodness by women toward men -
> must
> be incentivized; and ugliness on the part of each side must be dis-
> incentivized and confronted. This will lead to men being better to
> women, and to women being better to men. The immediate result is
> that
> both men and women will benefit.
>
> And the more the better elements in each gender speak up and become
> leaders, and the more the better practices are incentivized, the
> better will be the lot of both men and women and the better will be
> the world.
On account of the ongoing cultural fragmentation of Western society
the hope is forlorn that equanamity will define the relations between
cultures and ethnicities, economical classes, and the sexes. One must
be blind not to see the increase in hatred, psychological stress, and
bullying in society. The modern female collective is to a high degree
infected with narcissism. A woman who sees 'otherness' in many a man,
on account of him being different than herself, can rationalize her
fear and loathing as being wholly motivated, on account of the evil
and oppressive nature of the male species, as established by
misandrous feminist ideology. Men as a collective are viewed as
responsible for the evils that befall women. The phallic-narcissistic
individual is dependent on an economy of transference of guilt to
other groups or individuals. That's why it has little effect if
sophisticated individuals attaing high positions in society. Societal
mores and good role models mean little when they contrast strongly
with the psychic economy of the individual.
However, a narcissistic ideology or religion can furnish
institutionalized notions of scapegoating that has a pronopunced
therapeutic effect on the narcissistic individual. That's why inferior
individuals will be guided to power, and advanced individuals of good
intellect will gradually be pushed away. Cultural and ethnic
fragmentation will contribute to a regress to phallic-narcissistic
culture, away from the ideal of the free individual, and the notions
of democracy and free thought. I wrote something about the ongoing
regress here:
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/matriarchal.htm
Mats Winther
Masculist
May 17, 2012, 2:04:10 PM5/17/12
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On May 17, 1:34 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> "Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:b918ee17-75f8-4254...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
Interesting Freudian view. I still think it is more valuable to see
this politically rather than psychologically.
Tom
> "Ilya Shambat" <ibsham...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:b918ee17-75f8-4254...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
this politically rather than psychologically.
Tom
M Winther
May 18, 2012, 3:07:27 AM5/18/12
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"Masculist" <masc...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:9ced0aad-726d-4450...@n9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
> institutionalized notions of scapegoating that have a pronounced
lines.)
We are predominantly governed by our millions of year old psyche. Our
actions are to 70% determined from the unconscious. Politics can only
make us neurotic, but cannot really change human nature. The
Communists tried to reshape the population according to the ideals of
"socialist man", but they failed miserably. The only result was that
people became alcoholics. Average life expectancy for men sank below
60 years of age.
Mats
news:9ced0aad-726d-4450...@n9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
> therapeutic effect on the narcissistic individual. That's why
> inferior
> individuals will be guided to power, and advanced individuals of
> good
> intellect will gradually be pushed away. Cultural and ethnic
> fragmentation will contribute to a regress to phallic-narcissistic
> culture, away from the ideal of the free individual, and the notions
> of democracy and free thought. I wrote something about the ongoing
> regress here:http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/matriarchal.htm
>
> Mats Winther
>Interesting Freudian view. I still think it is more valuable to see
>this politically rather than psychologically.
>
>Tom
(It's not Freudian, rather it's on psychoanalytic, or psychodynamic,
> inferior
> individuals will be guided to power, and advanced individuals of
> good
> intellect will gradually be pushed away. Cultural and ethnic
> fragmentation will contribute to a regress to phallic-narcissistic
> culture, away from the ideal of the free individual, and the notions
> of democracy and free thought. I wrote something about the ongoing
> regress here:http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/matriarchal.htm
>
> Mats Winther
>Interesting Freudian view. I still think it is more valuable to see
>this politically rather than psychologically.
>
>Tom
lines.)
We are predominantly governed by our millions of year old psyche. Our
actions are to 70% determined from the unconscious. Politics can only
make us neurotic, but cannot really change human nature. The
Communists tried to reshape the population according to the ideals of
"socialist man", but they failed miserably. The only result was that
people became alcoholics. Average life expectancy for men sank below
60 years of age.
Mats
Masculist
May 18, 2012, 1:13:30 PM5/18/12
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On May 18, 12:07 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> "Masculist" <mascul...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:9ced0aad-726d-4450...@n9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
True but politics is also an expression of "our old psyche". I think
we are getting closer to seeing how that works that is if the
feminists get out of the way in the academy. You addressed that
problem indirectly in the racial area.
Tom
> Mats
> "Masculist" <mascul...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:9ced0aad-726d-4450...@n9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...
we are getting closer to seeing how that works that is if the
feminists get out of the way in the academy. You addressed that
problem indirectly in the racial area.
Tom
> Mats
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