What Does It Mean That God's Love Is Unconditional?
Kevin B. Murphy
to submit, comply, or conform to God in any way in order to benefit from
God's love... so what is the point... since it is a play on words? Is it
because they think we take religion too seriously? I don't take religion
too seriously because I haven't robbed you at gunpoint as the only obvious
means of receiving God's love.
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Denial of Free Will makes the Knowledge of Order Absolute.
Kevin B. Murphy
On 18-Dec-2009, "Kevin B. Murphy" <kmurp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> It stands to reason that if God's love is unconditional, then I don't have
> to submit, comply, or conform to God in any way in order to benefit from
> God's love... so what is the point... since it is a play on words? Is it
> because they think we take religion too seriously? I don't take religion
> too seriously because I haven't robbed you at gunpoint as the only obvious
> means of receiving God's love.
You could prove yourself to be altruistic about your belief in God's
unconditional love and choose death at gunpoint.
Caspar
"Kevin B. Murphy" <kmurp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It stands to reason that if God's love is unconditional,
> then I don't have
> to submit, comply, or conform to God in any way in order
> to benefit from
> God's love... so what is the point... since it is a play
> on words? Is it
> because they think we take religion too seriously? I
> don't take religion
> too seriously because I haven't robbed you at gunpoint as
> the only obvious
> means of receiving God's love.
>
> --
God's love is unconditional in the sense that you all have
food and water and air and a world to live on.
They are in a sense "God's love".
This applies also to other life on Earth, not only human
life.
But after this is more than love.
If you are kind to others, if you do not harm or hurt other
life on Earth, if you have a good character and are a
lovable person, if you give thanks and appreciation, if you
are considerate and generous, if you value honour and pride,
if you know the value of life and the sanctity of life, if
you do not murder nor kill nor steal, and many other facets,
then there is far more to God than "love".
God (Vishnu) is immeasurable, timeless, fathomless and
beyond understanding.
The love of God is taken as read by all, for without the
love of God.
There is nothing.
And Vishnu would never cause the horrible suffering of
nothing on anyone.
So that you have food and water and air and a world to live
on, is proof of the love of God.
How much MORE than the basic love you achieve, is up to you.
It depends what you value, what your choices are, and
remember that God does have opinions. The way you slagged
off those with schizophrenia would not go down very well
with God for example, so you would not get any brownie
points for that.
Caspar
to live on, this proves that God loves ALL humans.
Therefore you should never threaten others in the name of
God, or use the name of God for killing and war.
As ALL humans are loved, then after this is how much more
they achieve than the basic love of God, which is for all,
animals and creatures and life everywhere have the love of
God.
The love of God knows no religion, no colour, no sex, no
sexual orientation, no shape or form, if you are "life" then
you have the love of God.
The birds and fish have it, as much as you do.
The Jews have it, as much as the Chinese.
The Gays have it, as much as the women whores.
The love of God, all have.
As without this is the most horrible suffering imaginable.
And God would never do this to anyone.
Mark Earnest
> to submit, comply, or conform to God in any way in order to benefit from
> God's love... so what is the point... since it is a play on words? >
That is the equivalent of saying, "Since God is offering me a million
dollars, I may as well pull out a machine gun and shoot him dead."
Caspar
beyond anything any human could possibly imagine.
If you can imagine the most intense horrible withdrawal
symptoms from every part of your being, and that is just for
starters!
Without God is not only the fact that you have no bodies,
and there is only nothing in the sense of no other being or
no matter.
But the unendurable unbearable agony of being without God,
would be too much for anyone to bear.
So in a sense Vishnu does not mind over much if you take the
"love" of God for granted, for the thought that anyone could
think he could cause this kind of unendurable agony on
anyone, is so horrible as far as God is concerned, that he
cannot envisage how anyone could possibly think he could
ever do so.
God may sometimes seem like an uncaring individual, but
compared to what things would be without God, no man could
possibly measure. And no man has ever known, because God
has always been there and no one has ever been without the
love of God.
And you will find there is method in madness.
And there are reasons for all things.
And that one day things will make sense.
Often things make more sense when you look back.
And the unfolding of the Universe, and all life everywhere,
not just human life, follows the Grand Design, the
Intelligent Design, and is all logged and recorded and
designed and arranged precisely and exactly and all is the
way it should be.
God does not make mistakes.
You will find that all, everywhere, is always perfect.
May not look so.
But is.
Caspar
He can be here there and everywhere and sort out a million
things in the blink of an eye.
And if you ask him why for a mere moment he seemed to lose
concentration, he may have sorted out another million years
of human future, with everything designed and arranged for
each and every human right down to the tea leaf that floats
to the floor, for a million years.
That is how fast he is!
But then he is God.
He is not a BIT different from anyone else.
He is a LOT different!
Caspar
Some say that the rumour of creating Earth in seven days was
very fast.
Not so at all, that is very slow.
He can produce a place like Earth, with every tree, every
flower, every leaf, just like that, in a moment, just by
thinking, and at the same time he is arranging the future
for others, and having a deep conversation with someone and
writing some music and goodness knows what else!
Can you imagine what kind of intelligence someone like that
has?
And people think they may get bored in eternity with someone
like him around?
He is an endless source of fascination.
He is the one pursuit of all.
No one can get even close to understanding that kind of
intelligence, that kind of speed.
And he does it naturally.
He does not have to sit down and concentrate, it is what he
does.
He is God.
He is not just a marvel.
He is IMPOSSIBLE!
bigfl...@gmail.com
> It stands to reason that if God's love is unconditional, then I don't have
> to submit, comply, or conform to God in any way in order to benefit from
> God's love... so what is the point...
Apply that to others, and then you will know.
BOfL
Caspar
But there are reasons for everything.
And remember that things may make more sense looking back.
And remember also, how few are the short years on Earth
compared to eternity.
Where were you before?
Where will you go after?
There is no one reason for all.
Only Vishnu knows, and only Vishnu plans.
What is right for each individual is where they go after.
And why they are on Earth now, was the decision to place
them there from where they were before.
And even the little mollusc in the sea, one day longs to be
more.
And Vishnu watches and cares, and reincarnates and teaches.
And one day the little mollusc is a man.
Every life is in his care.
And one day a King, a Star, another world maybe, an Elf, an
Angel, a Warrior, another go at being human on Earth, a long
rest, a peaceful time, an adventure, who knows where anyone
goes when they die but Vishnu.
Who knows where anyone came from but Vishnu.
And as you say, God loves all.
And that is one thing everyone can be sure of.
bigfl...@gmail.com
Of course. There are many ways in which people sabotage themselves,
but then they relive the circumstances to learn more about your first
question.
Religion is to God, as a bicycle is to a centipede...
BOfL
Caspar
If there was a God at all.
But no it is not like this.
The name of God is BORG.
And the human character is fundamentally flawed.
Humans are being destroyed.
BORT
God loves us?
If the countless millions of people through the ages that have been
tortured and killed is a sign of His love, then I am glad that your
God does not "love" me!
So why do so many people believe?
A dependence.
"We have a strong unbearable feeling of helplessness, so that our
thoughts become related to a power outside ourselves, there is nothing
we do, think or feel which is not known to this power. We expect
protection by Him, wish to be taken care of by Him, make Him
responsible....." (Erich Fromm "Escape to freedom").
Religious people will not listen to the truth, you just can't believe
it. You can't accept it. You don't like it. A screen comes down and
you won't listen any more.
But that's how nature is, and if you don't like it that is going to
get in the way of your understanding it.
What do you think happens when you die? Go on to eternal life in
heaven? Then where were you before you were born? Where will you be
when the whole earth dies by our sun going supernova, or when the
whole universe dies the cold death?
Do not take my word for it, read a few books
Dawkins The God Delusion Black Swan 2006
Dawkins Richard The Greatest Show on Earth, Bantam 2009
Freud S Future of an Illusion, Penguin 1940
Freud S Origins of Religion, Pelican 1953
Fromm Erich Escape from Freedom Holt 1969
But of course these books are all lies put out by Satan.
BORT
Kevin B. Murphy
On 21-Dec-2009, BORT <jfinch....@mac.com> wrote:
> God loves us?
There is really no way I can talk this line too seriously, BORT, because my
family is so altruistic, it isn't even funny... What you don't seem to
realize is that people also inflict a *LOT* of pain on themselves because of
religion and it more than strikes a balance with what you are talking
about... I can't tell you how much trouble it has been for me to be *immune*
to any psychiatric and psychological disorder... I say that because that
seems to be the end result of being raised by a family as religious and
devout as mine happens to be.