Existance is Futile.
Kevin B. Murphy
dustbin of obscurity when he made this statement... What is more futile than
existence? How about being a citizen of the United States of America. It
is perfectly meaningless in all of it's forms. Being a citizen absolutely
does not give any meaning to life. Sartre was clearly trying to provoke the
French and it worked... I guess it was just convenient that France did not
have any noteworthy philosophers at the time.
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Tell it to the Marines.
Sir Frederick
Perhaps more like a mystery.
The situation as a whole, is certainly a mystery.
So can't judge yet.
Within that context, however, the 'human' presence
seems less and less central. The Copernican Revolution
continues.
It does seem that the situation literally 'cares' no more
about the 'human' presence than it does about cockroaches.
People do have their caring and meaning giving stories, thus 'we'
need 'our' stories, and 'we' need to practice them. That may resist
your futility. Also, the mystery remains, though is less obvious, thus
'we' may continue 'our' 'what if' considerations, and continue explorations.
turtoni
turtoni
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turtoni
have to be earned but not learned. We need to experience death
consciousness so as to wake up ourselves as to what is really
important; the authentic in our lives which is life experience, not
knowledge."
bigfl...@gmail.com
He asked the question. It was not a statement.
Questions from 'valid' philosophers are often rhetorical, and are
designed to 'churn up' the inner searching. In this instance, to exist
means to live without purpose.To have puropse, and to pursue with
enthusiasm is as good a meaning of life as can be defined.
BOfL
tooly
Sir, you know I respect your view...but somewhere it becomes simply a
matter of survival that we must make a stand...no? There probably is
no answer that will be satisfying to our intellect, something founded
in material fact, unequivocable and 'certain'. Perhaps the best we
can do is to recognize the 'chaos' we are born into [the futility] and
then try to 'order' it in some way, to 'create' something worth living
for. Thusly, truth becomes not just a matter of equations and
ultimate 'knowing', but also a 'way of life' that is worthwhile [or
not].
In this, knowledge itself should realize a certain servitude to a
great humanity that may often seem ignorant, but remains the ONLY
judge by which our creation is measured, one way or another.
Where you and I disagree is that I defend the citizen's of Alexanderia
to destroy the Great Library and murder Hypatia, if only to protect
some small anchor or order in a universe otherwise, bound for
oblivion.
I argue that HELL is very real and is an adjective for those worlds
that we ourselves might create to bear our own experience upon.
Sir Frederick
Actually, I doubt that anything is 'real'.
The place or situation is a fraud.
'We' need only act 'as if'.
Quite like a 'hyperpainting'.
THE BORG
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If you can see the Grand Design and overall Plan, you will
see that all is perfect, all is right, and preparing for the
future.
It will all make sense one day, really it will.
THE BORG
Kevin B. Murphy
I've reached the conclusion that Sartre is the philosopher of science. I
should have made this connection a long time ago. Let me ask you... Why is
psychotic cop psychotic? Well, psychotic cop is... My big bang theory. So
who is the philosopher of science if not Sartre? Sartre 'compliments' the
big bang theory.
Kevin B. Murphy
On 26-Oct-2009, tooly <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I argue that HELL is very real and is an adjective for those worlds
> that we ourselves might create to bear our own experience upon.
HELL is real but the only way to impede it is to not lose our sense of
humor.
Kevin B. Murphy
On 25-Oct-2009, turtoni <tur...@fastmail.net> wrote:
> Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com alt.philosophy.debate:317762
> alt.philosophy:719965
>
> "Sartre maintained that the concept of authenticity and individuality
> have to be earned but not learned. We need to experience death
> consciousness so as to wake up ourselves as to what is really
> important; the authentic in our lives which is life experience, not
> knowledge."
Yeah, Sartre's idea of experiencing death consciousness was to suppress his
dreams with uppers and downers.
ZerkonXXXX
> give (... meaning to life.)
make
chazwin
Chazwin
There are few countries on earth that have managed to match to yield
of philosophers of merit to come out of France.