Bunnyland Mini Golf - Pigeon Forge, Tennessee
Rick Gutierrez
I've been home on vacation this week and decided to purge my desk and
filing cabinet of a lot of old stuff. I came across a newspaper
clipping about a mini golf course in tennessee that features live
bunnies running loose. The article, (age unknown) talked about
employees finding 88 bunnies slaughtered on the property.
I was just wondering if this place was still in existance, so I fired up
the search engine and I found it. The URL is below, when you get to the
page, scroll toward the bottom.
Has anyone else heard of this place? Sounds kinda sick.
Rick Gutierrez
ri...@ameritech.net
Ducky1578
what was the purpose of this place? how did anyone get any miniature golfing
done with all the bunnies in the way?
> I think they relied on the patrons (you know the
>setup - put a quarter in the machine and the food pellets come out and the
>animals come running). There were probably 50 - 75 rabbits running around
>on the miniature course. I'm definitely sickened by this practice as well
>as your news. I wish I could have saved all of these little guys....
>
>Angi Kidd (and the fast growing, four legged zoo)
>
>
>
Cybrdolfin
In article <19971016163...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
duck...@aol.com (Ducky1578) writes:
>what was the purpose of this place? how did anyone get any miniature golfing
> done with all the bunnies in the way?
The bunnies only flocked around people who had food. They seemed to stay
out of the way. There are lots of mini-golf places in Pidgeon
Forge/Gatlinburg. I guess its a marketing ploy, "Come see the cutie
bunnies while you play minature golf." A lot of families seemed to go for
it. Still, its kinda sad...makes me want to go home and spend time with my
bun, Merlin.
Angi (and the fast growing, four legged zoo)
Angi Kidd
cybrd...@aol.com
"The only limitation is imagination."
Cybrdolfin
In article <344544...@ameritech.net>, Rick Gutierrez
<ri...@ameritech.net> writes:
>Has anyone else heard of this place? Sounds kinda sick.
My heart just sinks when I think of this. I was in neighboring Gatlinburg
two years ago and saw the bunny golf there. They were slated to close at
the end of the summer. I didn't know anything about rabbits then, much
less have a housebun. The rabbits were fairly tame, but I don't think that
the management fed them. I think they relied on the patrons (you know the
setup - put a quarter in the machine and the food pellets come out and the
animals come running). There were probably 50 - 75 rabbits running around
on the miniature course. I'm definitely sickened by this practice as well
as your news. I wish I could have saved all of these little guys....
Angi Kidd (and the fast growing, four legged zoo)
Chaz Clover
gator wrote:
>
> I found the site and book marked it. It sounds horrible.
I don't think I'd go there, but after looking over the site, I can't
agree that it's "horrible".
>The same page
> described a restaurant were you can watch "whip cracking, wagon busting"
> stampedes. If they do mulitple shows a day with the same horses, running
> them hard, short breaks in between (and I bet they do) that leads me to
> believe that the majority of residents in Pigeon Forge, Tenn. have little or
> no respect for life.
I had to read the statement above twice, because at first I thought they
DID run their horses to the ground several times a day. This isn't the
case at all now, is it? To say "If they do multiple shows............"
in this context is about the same as "If they sacrificed innocent
children to the god Baal".
This resaurant may take excellent care of their horses and seeing as
there aren't any pix of said equines we can't really be sure.
>It says a lot about the patrons who spend money at
> those places as well.
It says NOTHING about the patrons whatsoever. It may indicate that
people who go to pigeon forge like C/W music and associated
entertainments. I CERTAINLY doesn't imply that they get some sick
thrill out of animals being tortured or slaughtered.
I think you're saying that, Gator. I also think you are excecising a
very subtle TROLL to get a bunch of people all worked over nothing.
And Then.....
> Rick Gutierrez wrote:
<snip>
>>I came across a newspaper
> > clipping about a mini golf course in tennessee that features live
> > bunnies running loose. The article, (age unknown) talked about
> > employees finding 88 bunnies slaughtered on the property.
Did that article mention any ideas the authorities may have as to whon
the killers were and what motivated them to do it? Any followup on on
suspects? Anyone arrested? Did the employees do it?
And what in the HELL does this topic have to do with pet rabbit keeping?
--
</chaz>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chaz Clover
clo...@rmi.net
The Paved Earth Society
http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth
"Why Not Just Get On With It?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Melissa A. Manske
I also went and took a look at the site. This is the ad that goes along
with the Mini Golf Course --
"BUNNY LAND MINI GOLF
423-453-0306
Play mini-golf with live bunnies, two 18-hole courses and register for
free vacation, look for the giant hillbilly! Apr-Oct. "
Regardless of my opinion on other sites listed on that page, and
regardless of what other ads might be referring to inhumane pasttimes,
this bunny golf thing doesn't sound good. I sent an email to the
webmaster asking him to remove the site from his web page, because I
said I thought it sounded more like an atrocity than an attraction.
I'm not a big tree-hugging, tie-dye wearing type person or anything, but
I still don't like the thought of golf balls flying around with a bunch
of rabbits there. I'm sure a lot of animals actually do make there
homes around places like that, but it doesn't sound like these rabbits
have a choice.
Melissa
Tim Vogel
I got a great idea for the owners of this:
BUNNY LAND MINI GOLF
423-453-0306
http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html
Let's round up their kids and family members and do an alligator roundup with
them as the bait.
====================================
gator wrote:
> I found the site and book marked it. It sounds horrible. The same page
> described a restaurant were you can watch "whip cracking, wagon busting"
> stampedes. If they do mulitple shows a day with the same horses, running
> them hard, short breaks in between (and I bet they do) that leads me to
> believe that the majority of residents in Pigeon Forge, Tenn. have little or
> no respect for life. It says a lot about the patrons who spend money at
> those places as well.
>
> Rick Gutierrez wrote:
>
> > I've been home on vacation this week and decided to purge my desk and
> > filing cabinet of a lot of old stuff. I came across a newspaper
> > clipping about a mini golf course in tennessee that features live
> > bunnies running loose. The article, (age unknown) talked about
> > employees finding 88 bunnies slaughtered on the property.
> > Has anyone else heard of this place? Sounds kinda sick.
> >
> > Rick Gutierrez
> > ri...@ameritech.net
> >
> > http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html
--
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Chaz Clover
THIS is such BS:
Tim Vogel wrote:
>
> I got a great idea for the owners of this:
>
> BUNNY LAND MINI GOLF
> 423-453-0306
> http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html
>
> Let's round up their kids and family members and do an alligator roundup with
> them as the bait.
>
> ====================================
This has nothing to do with rabbits. It has more to do with somebody's
blinkered idea of what defines acceptable rabbit keeping.
So blinkered that this "person" would have us feed these miscreants AND
their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And I'm
certain
This is F__KING perfect.
You can't even THINK about feeding a rabbit to a snake around here,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, but you SURE can discuss feeding children to
Aligators.
There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us. Trolling
a bit.
There is also the other possibility.
That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K. Cares more about his
"beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for them and
pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency. Or
if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow is
waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
you off.
David Hecht
Chaz,
Tim may have been overreactive but you don't have to gross us out with
your reaction which ironically(conveniently) mirrors his.Someone asked
what this all has to do with pet rabbits.I think that anyone who cares
enough about anything(or anyone) would not want to know that atrocities
exist which endanger or demean same. Simple logic!!!
Dave
gator
First of all, I agree. Feeding them to an alligator causes me great concern for the
well-being of the alligator in question.
Secondly, anyone who is simple minded enough to hurl vulgarities at strangers on
the internet is hypocritically using the same free speech that he is insulting
others for doing. Since I was I believe the third to post a response to this thing
about the golf course, I stated an opinion that I doubt any non - human life was
treated with respect .I still hold that opinion, and your post has only worked to
ingrain it deeper. I don't believe reptiles should be kept as pets, not because of
what they eat, but because wild species ( or exotics ) belong in their natural
habitats. If they are going to be kept, they have a right to be fed as close to
their natural diet as is feasible. ( But I am confident you will never see a Boa
Constricter in the wild eating a California white rabbit, or hamster. )
But to commercially produce any species for profit in the manner exhibited in
"amusemnet" parks such as this is unthinkable.
To Tim Vogel, if I am correct in assuming that you are opposed to these kinds of
abuses, the most effective way I have found as an individual is to not support them
with any income. I don't shop at dept. stores that sell fur, don't go to stores
that sell live animals, or amusement parks that keep them (esp. for "shows") and
try to check out companies that are reported to be involved w/animal research.
There are orgs you can join then find out about these firms. I am not a "tree
hugger" either. I just have a healthy concern for the lives around me. (And Chaz:
One of the behaviors that links serial killers together is cruelty to animals.. )
And I hope the high fat content in all the rabbit meat you eat eventually causes
you a massive heart attack, before you have a chance to breed.
Joseph Michael Bay
Chaz Clover <mrc...@rmi.net> writes:
>THIS is such BS:
>> Let's round up their kids and family members and do an alligator roundup with
>> them as the bait.
>So blinkered that this "person" would have us feed these miscreants AND
>their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And I'm
>certain
Sheesh, lighten up. There's a difference between feeding people to
alligators and merely using them as alligator bait. At least in the
latter case, they have a chance, kind of. The faster-moving ones, at least.
>There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us. Trolling
>a bit.
Naaaw, you think?
>That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K.
One sick FEZZICK? One sick FIRETRUCK? One sick FORK?
>Cares more about his
>"beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for them and
>pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency. Or
>if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
Who said they'd be alive at the time? (Although if they're not alive they
can't run away, I guess).
>I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow is
>waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
>you off.
Gosh, you're cool.
></chaz>
Thank you. Please do, you putz.
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Chaz Clover
I still don't understand just what Bunnyland is doing wrong. They've
got a bunch of bunnies running around, but animal-oriented parksare
common aren't illegal that I'm aware of.
And, I don't quite understand what this has to do with PET rabbits, and
their general care.
Sounds like an animal rights issue, and has no place here.
Melissa A. Manske wrote:
>
> I emailed the webmaster of the Pigeon Forge site about the Bunnyland Mini
> Golf ad. He forwarded the message to Sue Carr at the Pigeon Forge Department of
> Tourism. The site is their property and they control its content. If you
> wish to reach them directly, you may email: sue...@pigeon-forge.tn.us or
> call 1-800-947-9669.
>
> I will inform the ng of any replies I receive from her.
gator
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This is specifically in response to an e-mail sent me regarding this subject, but
is also relevant to the subject as it has been stated here.
Yes. Certain cruelties are not illegal.
Yes. I still believe the best place for an exotic is in it's natural habitat, and
anyone but a self - interested, uncaring, individual would feel otherwise.
Yes. I chose this group as the forum for my opinions, because this was where the
original issue was posed. And I will always speak out where instances of injustice
are presented to me.
No. Not as a way to change anyone's mind. As I understand the futility of
discussing ignorance to the ignorant. But as a way that like minded individuals can
discuss ideas and opinions, and let other concerned people know of the subject.
You, apparently, thankfully, are not in our ranks. Nor, I suppose, ever will be.
Finally, you yourself are the best defense of my case against people like you.
Narrow minded, self absorbed, and poorly reasoned arguments are the stable
vocabulary of your gist. There again, I guess I am speaking well out of your scope
of understanding.
But I understand that perhaps you were not raised in as enlightened a society as
some here were. From your use of slang, I imagine you are writing these eloquent
postings from, perhaps, Europe, somewhere? Perhaps England, or Canada? If I am
mistaken, I certainly hope that posters from those regions will forgive me the
association, but I understand that certain parts of England are very socially "old
world", and perhaps this is the case with you? Not that there is too much to be
said, just a great relief on my part that it is reflective of such a small part of
the world, as to be counter balanced by the civilized parts of our respective
societies.
Chaz Clover wrote:
> THIS is such BS:
>
>
> Chaz Clover wrote:
>
>> THIS is such BS:
>>
>> Tim Vogel wrote:
>> >
>> > I got a great idea for the owners of this:
>> >
>> > BUNNY LAND MINI GOLF
>> > 423-453-0306
>> > http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html
>> >
>> > Let's round up their kids and family members and do an alligator roundup with
>>
>> > them as the bait.
>> >
>> > ====================================
>>
>> This has nothing to do with rabbits. It has more to do with somebody's
>> blinkered idea of what defines acceptable rabbit keeping.
>>
>> So blinkered that this "person" would have us feed these miscreants AND
>> their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And I'm
>> certain
>>
>> This is F__KING perfect.
>>
>> You can't even THINK about feeding a rabbit to a snake around here,
>> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, but you SURE can discuss feeding children to
>> Aligators.
>>
>> There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us. Trolling
>> a bit.
>>
>> There is also the other possibility.
>>
>> That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K. Cares more about his
>> "beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for them and
>> pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency. Or
>> if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
>>
>> I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow is
>> waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
>> you off.
>>
>> --
>> </chaz>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Chaz Clover
>> clo...@rmi.net
>> The Paved Earth Society
>> http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth
>> "Why Not Just Get On With It?"
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> >
> > ====================================
>
> This has nothing to do with rabbits. It has more to do with somebody's
> blinkered idea of what defines acceptable rabbit keeping.
>
> So blinkered that this "person" would have us feed these miscreants AND
> their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And I'm
> certain
>
> This is F__KING perfect.
>
> You can't even THINK about feeding a rabbit to a snake around here,
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, but you SURE can discuss feeding children to
> Aligators.
>
> There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us. Trolling
> a bit.
>
> There is also the other possibility.
>
> That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K. Cares more about his
> "beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for them and
> pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency. Or
> if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
>
> I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow is
> waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
> you off.
>
> --
> </chaz>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chaz Clover
> clo...@rmi.net
> The Paved Earth Society
> http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth
> "Why Not Just Get On With It?"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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This is specifically in response to an e-mail sent me regarding this subject,
but is also relevant to the subject as it has been stated here.
<BR>Yes. Certain cruelties are not illegal.
<BR>Yes. I still believe the best place for an exotic is in it's natural
habitat, and anyone but a self - interested, uncaring, individual would
feel otherwise.
<BR>Yes. I chose this group as the forum for my opinions, because this
was where the original issue was posed. And I will always speak out where
instances of injustice are presented to me.
<BR>No. Not as a way to change anyone's mind. As I understand the futility
of discussing ignorance to the ignorant. But as a way that like minded
individuals can discuss ideas and opinions, and let other concerned people
know of the subject. You, apparently, thankfully, are not in our ranks.
Nor, I suppose, ever will be.
<BR>Finally, you yourself are the best defense of my case against people
like you. Narrow minded, self absorbed, and poorly reasoned arguments are
the stable vocabulary of your gist. There again, I guess I am speaking
well out of your scope of understanding.
<BR>But I understand that perhaps you were not raised in as enlightened
a society as some here were. From your use of slang, I imagine you are
writing these eloquent postings from, perhaps, Europe, somewhere? Perhaps
England, or Canada? If I am mistaken, I certainly hope that posters from
those regions will forgive me the association, but I understand that certain
parts of England are very socially "old world", and perhaps this is the
case with you? Not that there is too much to be said, just a great relief
on my part that it is reflective of such a small part of the world, as
to be counter balanced by the civilized parts of our respective societies.
<BR><TT> </TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>Chaz Clover wrote:</TT>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>THIS is such BS:
<BR>
<P>Chaz Clover wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>THIS is such BS:
<P>Tim Vogel wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> I got a great idea for the owners of this:
<BR>>
<BR>> BUNNY LAND MINI GOLF
<BR>> 423-453-0306
<BR>> <A HREF="http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html">http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html</A>
<BR>>
<BR>> Let's round up their kids and family members and do an alligator
roundup with
<BR>> them as the bait.
<BR>>
<BR>> ====================================
<P>This has nothing to do with rabbits. It has more to do with somebody's
<BR>blinkered idea of what defines acceptable rabbit keeping.
<P>So blinkered that this "person" would have us feed these miscreants
AND
<BR>their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And
I'm
<BR>certain
<P>This is F__KING perfect.
<P>You can't even THINK about feeding a rabbit to a snake around here,
<BR>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, but you SURE can discuss feeding children to
<BR>Aligators.
<P>There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us.
Trolling
<BR>a bit.
<P>There is also the other possibility.
<P>That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K. Cares more about his
<BR>"beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for
them and
<BR>pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency.
Or
<BR>if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
<P>I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow
is
<BR>waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
<BR>you off.
<P>--
<BR></chaz>
<P>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<BR>Chaz Clover
<BR>clo...@rmi.net
<BR>The Paved Earth Society
<BR><A HREF="http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth">http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth</A>
<BR>"Why Not Just Get On With It?"
<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>>
<BR>> ====================================
<P>This has nothing to do with rabbits. It has more to do with somebody's
<BR>blinkered idea of what defines acceptable rabbit keeping.
<P>So blinkered that this "person" would have us feed these miscreants
AND
<BR>their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And
I'm
<BR>certain
<P>This is F__KING perfect.
<P>You can't even THINK about feeding a rabbit to a snake around here,
<BR>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, but you SURE can discuss feeding children to
<BR>Aligators.
<P>There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us.
Trolling
<BR>a bit.
<P>There is also the other possibility.
<P>That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K. Cares more about his
<BR>"beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for
them and
<BR>pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency.
Or
<BR>if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
<P>I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow
is
<BR>waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
<BR>you off.
<P>--
<BR></chaz>
<P>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<BR>Chaz Clover
<BR>clo...@rmi.net
<BR>The Paved Earth Society
<BR><A HREF="http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth">http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth</A>
<BR>"Why Not Just Get On With It?"
<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</BLOCKQUOTE>
</HTML>
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Judith Fallon
I agree with you chaz.
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Chaz Clover wrote:
> I still don't understand just what Bunnyland is doing wrong. They've
> got a bunch of bunnies running around, but animal-oriented parksare
> common aren't illegal that I'm aware of.
>
> And, I don't quite understand what this has to do with PET rabbits, and
> their general care.
>
> Sounds like an animal rights issue, and has no place here.
>
>
>
> Melissa A. Manske wrote:
> >
> > I emailed the webmaster of the Pigeon Forge site about the Bunnyland Mini
> > Golf ad. He forwarded the message to Sue Carr at the Pigeon Forge Department of
> > Tourism. The site is their property and they control its content. If you
> > wish to reach them directly, you may email: sue...@pigeon-forge.tn.us or
> > call 1-800-947-9669.
> >
> > I will inform the ng of any replies I receive from her.
>
Tim Vogel
> with
> >> them as the bait.
>
> >their children to Aligators as punishment for their sins. And I'm
> >certain
>
> >There is a possibility that this "person" is funning with us. Trolling
> >a bit.
>
> >That is that this person is ONE SICK F__K.
>
No, you are ONE SICK F__K. You tolerate cruelty to animals - from the sound of
your rantings. You are just as much a low life as the owners of this sick
demented fantasy land operation.
> >Cares more about his
> >"beloved pets" that his fellow humans. Would take a bullet for them and
> >pull the trigger on anyone who would violate HIS sense of decency. Or
> >if they're somebody's children feed them alive to an Alligator.
>
They are not considered "fellow humans". THEY are ONE SICK F__Ks.
YOU talk of Decency! Morality? What do you know about the definitions of these
words? Your final comment only suggests that you are a cretin and low life that
should be in the alligator pits as well.
No wonder the world is a sick and hellish place. You believe your own sick
version of "decency" and even try to spread it.
> >I tell you what Vogel: I'm gonna wade out to the rabbitry (snow is
> >waste deep today), kill, butcher and EAT a couple rabbits just to piss
> >you off.
Hope you get appenditis and frostbite.You are no better than the sick bastards
at this establishment in the original post. In addition, you are thrashing
around in the wrong newsgroup. You need to be in the "disturbed" or "fetish"
newsgroups. This group is or was a positive group. But then again, you are of
the morality and decency of a feeder pig.
> ></chaz>
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Tim Vogel
Tim Vogel
Gator,
THANKS for the great response! You are right on.
Tim
gator wrote:
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Melissa A. Manske
If you don't understand why this subject is being covered in this
newsgroup, then why do you keep posting messages to it?
And if you don't think they're doing anything wrong, fine. I don't know
how you could know one way or the other, really. I don't know, myself.
That's why I posted the e-mail and phone number of the gal to call if
anyone wanted to check it out -- to see if anything weird IS going on
there or not. That's all. So could we please drop this?
Ducky1578
ok ok...I try not to get involved in these petty non-rabbit discussions but
this time I feel like I have to.....
>No, you are ONE SICK F__K. You tolerate cruelty to animals - from the sound
>of
>your rantings. You are just as much a low life as the owners of this sick
>demented fantasy land operation.
>
>
cruelty to animals? now tim, have you ever been to a zoo? this is exactly
what this bunny land sounds like to me...a rabbit zoo that happens to have
mini golf.
>YOU talk of Decency! Morality? What do you know about the definitions of
>these
>words? Your final comment only suggests that you are a cretin and low life
>that
>should be in the alligator pits as well.
so now youre suggesting the very thing that chaz was...feeding people to
alligators. how silly that this discussion has gotten so far off track.
>Hope you get appenditis and frostbite.You are no better than the sick
>bastards
>at this establishment in the original post. In addition, you are thrashing
>around in the wrong newsgroup. You need to be in the "disturbed" or "fetish"
>newsgroups. This group is or was a positive group. But then again, you are
>of the morality and decency of a feeder pig.
>
>
since when is eating rabbits signs of disturbed or fetish-like behavior? I KNOW
this is a newsgroup for PET rabbits, but let's face the facts. chaz was only
joking. you know, trying to goad you into flaming a reply. and what the
hell is a feeder pig? do you mean a fetal pig? like the kind I dissected in
physiology? now lets all just shut the hell up about bunnyland mini golf...if
anyone really cares, contact someone in pigeon forge or something. we wont
get anywhere discussing it with eachother here, now will we? so far, the only
action this discussion has brought on is people telling other people how they
should be put to sleep or whatever it is youre trying to suggest. oh, Im
sorry...it was frostbite, a heart attack, and something else.. with a few
FU__S thrown in. I mean, really...
Tim Vogel
Chaz,
I don't want to get into a name calling flame war over this. Especially since I
can't find the original post any longer.
Somewhere in the original post was a person who reportedly saw some 80 or so
rabbits slaughtered. They posted the details to this newsgroup in the hopes
that people would help do something about it. That was what I was originally
responding to.
According to the posting there was a large amount of abuse going on at that
facility. That is what people are all upset about. Sure, it may look cute to
the customers. But, what goes on behind the scenes?
Chaz Clover wrote:
> I still don't understand just what Bunnyland is doing wrong. They've
> got a bunch of bunnies running around, but animal-oriented parksare
> common aren't illegal that I'm aware of.
>
Abuse and neglect. You're saying there is nothing wrong with that?
> And, I don't quite understand what this has to do with PET rabbits, and
> their general care.
>
> Sounds like an animal rights issue, and has no place here.
What better place to talk about animal rights issues than in a newsgroup
dedicated to an animal?
> Melissa A. Manske wrote:
> >
> > I emailed the webmaster of the Pigeon Forge site about the Bunnyland Mini
> > Golf ad. He forwarded the message to Sue Carr at the Pigeon Forge
> Department of
> > Tourism. The site is their property and they control its content. If you
> > wish to reach them directly, you may email: sue...@pigeon-forge.tn.us or
> > call 1-800-947-9669.
> >
> > I will inform the ng of any replies I receive from her.
>
> --
> </chaz>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chaz Clover
> clo...@rmi.net
> The Paved Earth Society
> http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth
> "Why Not Just Get On With It?"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Judith Fallon
Actually, the person who posted the original message had found the web
site of the Mini golf and had heard that 80+ bunnies had been found
slaughtered one morning. They did not SEE the slaughter or know who did
it. I think that there is probably alot that we don't actually know about
this place and won't unless someone actually goes there to see it. I think
all of the discussion has gotten out of control for a place that no one
has any firsthand knowledge of. Every day people are releasing bunnies
into the wild in the thought that they are setting them free. Instead of
worrying about some hearsay, clean up your own "backyards." Call the HRS
to see what you can do locally.
Chaz Clover
Tim Vogel wrote:
>
> Chaz,
>
> I don't want to get into a name calling flame war over this.
Okay. No name calling.
>Especially since I
> can't find the original post any longer.
You can find the entire thread at DejaNews (www.dejanews.com) Run a
search on the this subject header and you'll get it all. A lot of news
clients dont get all the news available on usenet so this website is
very good for research purposes.
>
> Somewhere in the original post was a person who reportedly saw some 80 or so
> rabbits slaughtered.
As I recall it was telling of a newspaper article where employees told
of 80+ rabbits found dead at the park. That's all I read. But dude,
based on that much information, the cause of death could have been quite
literally anything. Racoons are a likely suspect, vandalous kids are
another. Hell a disease could have come undetected - I've seen
rabbitries wiped out almost overnight by some bug. None of those
scenarios can be fairly blamed on the owners without much more
information.
Which we don't have.
I say all this not to reopen an argument but to illustrate that if we
are going to be called upon to cause trouble for someone, we need all
the facts. Hard evidence. Not an assumption of guilt simply because a
bunch of rabbits wind up dead. That violates the basic principals of
our system of justice.
That is a tragic thing but we must be fair, especially if some of us
intend to go after these people.
>They posted the details to this newsgroup in the hopes
> that people would help do something about it. That was what I was originally
> responding to.
>
> According to the posting there was a large amount of abuse going on at that
> facility. That is what people are all upset about. Sure, it may look cute to
> the customers. But, what goes on behind the scenes?
The post I mentioned only refered to the deaths, and accused abuse.
Consider this. Pigeon Forge promotes wholesome family entertainment.
That city, if the powers that be have brain one (and it's fair to assume
that much), would certainly investigate the death of 80 rabbits at a
local theme park. If abuse had been discovered I doubt that bunnyland
would still be in business in that town. That's just good business
sense.
I guess the whole point is that if you want to go after abuse, great,
I'm all for that, but make sure you're in the right otherwise innocent
people could get hurt.
And someone could get a big fat lawsuit slapped on them for libel, or
slander.
BTW: Nice website!
benjamin...@gmail.com
> I've been home on vacation this week and decided to purge my desk and
> filing cabinet of a lot of old stuff. I came across a newspaper
> clipping about a mini golf course in tennessee that features live
> bunnies running loose. The article, (age unknown) talked about
> employees finding 88 bunnies slaughtered on the property.
>
> the search engine and I found it. The URL is below, when you get to the
> page, scroll toward the bottom.
>
>
> Rick Gutierrez
> ri...@ameritech.net
>
> http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html
On Wednesday, October 15, 1997 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Rick Gutierrez wrote:
> I've been home on vacation this week and decided to purge my desk and
> filing cabinet of a lot of old stuff. I came across a newspaper
> clipping about a mini golf course in tennessee that features live
> bunnies running loose. The article, (age unknown) talked about
> employees finding 88 bunnies slaughtered on the property.
>
> the search engine and I found it. The URL is below, when you get to the
> page, scroll toward the bottom.
>
betsybug
Bruce Atchison - author
http://www.pigeon-forge.tn.us/pfattrct.html. I'll have to Google it when I
have time.
Sincerely,
Bruce Atchison, author of How I Was Razed: A Journey from Cultism to
Christianity. Available from Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, and
http://www.virtualbookworm.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=How_I_Was_Razed&Store_Code=bookstore.
