Mineral oil, Ivomec or Ivermectin ?
Jamie
Looks like my rabbit has a case of ear mites, I'd hoped this wasn't the
case and that she'd clean it up herself, but.. it's not happening.
I live so far out there aren't any vets here that'll handle rabbits, so,
I called a place asking for treatment options.
The advice I've gotten so far is:
Put mineral oil in her ears and give her some ivomec or ivermectin paste.
Shipping was really expensive, I got both ivermectin and ivomec, (figured
if one didn't work, maybe the other will) and I'm trying to decide how
to proceed.
Ivermectin says, clearly on the package "For Horses only" I'm a little
concerned about that. The place I got it from suggests a rice sized
pellet. (doesn't say how often to repeat, I assume 1 week)
Ivermec gives dosage instructions, 2 drops / lb ?? (seems kind of high to
me, she's about 5-7 pounds so.. 10 drops??) repeat in one week.
The ivermectin (horse stuff) looks easier to apply but.. the bit where it
says "For Horses only" kind of has me puzzled. there is a better chance
of actually getting her to eat the full rice-sized pellet though.
The liquid.. 10 drops is going to be kind of difficult to give her. (and it
really seems like a lot, something just doesn't seem right there) If I put
it in the water, she'll probably just splash most of it out. (she does that
with her water)
Which one would you try? Know of any dangers? The biggest concern I have is
that I'll goof up the dosages, If I have to error, should I error on the side
of "too little" ?
Regarding mineral oil, I'm pretty sure thats safe, as I've read multiple
places suggesting it, any danger here?
Knowing her, and this situation, I will NOT be able to massage the oil in, just
put it in an eye dropper, I'll probably only get one *maybe* two chances to
squirt it in, but.. once it happens, she'll probably run away and won't
let me near her. I'm a little concerned I'll get it in her eye. (can't say
as I blame her, I'd run too if someone tried to squirt that crap in my ears)
I can NOT hold her down, I tried once during a toenail clipping attempt it's
literally impossible (ended up putting cement in her room so she could do that
herself) this is how I know she will hold a grudge... I have to get it right
the first time!
Will mineral oil hurt her? (aside from tasting gross.. I've got some cranberries
ready for her to wash the taste out with.. yuck!)
Jamie
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Angela & the rabbits
rice is not a dose either.
The way to measure the medication is by first, weighing her, and then
drawing up injectible Ivermectin with a needle and syringe into a 1cc
syringe. You dose her by weight. The medication can be done orally or
by injection, 3 times, aprox 7-10 days apart to kill hatching mites.
Give the horse paste to someone with horses, or return it.
Don't use the mineral oil. It will make her greasy, it will make her
skin blood red, and it might not kill the mites.
Angela Carrigan
www.rabbitadoption.org
Angela & the rabbits
into her mouth using a syringe with no needle.
Angela Carrigan
Els van der Veen
http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rx/drugcalc.html
Els
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Bunny of Bunny Hollow
> Hi Newsgroup,
>
> Looks like my rabbit has a case of ear mites, I'd hoped this wasn't the
> case and that she'd clean it up herself, but.. it's not happening.
>
Our rabbit plays outdoors, so we use Revolution for cats.
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easy. one dose.
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And to remind that Frontline is a no-no for rabbits.
Jamie
Angela & the rabbits <jessi...@aol.com> mentions:
>By the way, you do not want to put this in her water. Put it directly
>into her mouth using a syringe with no needle.
Trust me, that is NOT going to happen...
It would be physically impossible to do.
Jamie
>skin blood red, and it might not kill the mites.
Just to clarify, (I should have mentioned this) I did put baby oil in
right away the person on the phone recommended it immediately while
waiting on shipment, as well as a couple other people.
It helped a LOT, got rid of most of the crusties and she's happier now,
ears are cleaner, etc.. (She did hate it for 2 days though, naturally)
I'm now talking about the second dose (it has been 4-5 days) I got
mineral oil this time, as it seems like the exact same stuff, only
w/out perfume.
The advice was, put oil in her ears, wait and then re-apply once more after
giving her the medicine.
I'm NOT worried about her cosmetic appearance, just concerned about
will happen if she ingests too much of the stuff too fast.
So far, everyone (and my own intuition) have said "a little mineral oil
will NOT hurt her" one person even told me that "motor oil!!?!!" was
better than nothing at all. (they weren't exactly recommending it, just
trying to urge me to put some kind of oil in, they really felt it was
important that I do that, ASAP)
I guess what I'm concerned with is.. will it actually endanger her? (I know
it will help in other ways)
Jamie
"Els van der Veen" <eavd...@planet.nl> mentions:
Thanks!
James
She uses Ivermectin on her rabbits. Don't remember if she also has
horses or not. I would rather withhold medication till I get as much
info as possible.
You can use olive oil if you are afraid of mineral oil. You might try
sitting and petting your bun placed between your legs with his head
toward you. That way after it's calmed down; you are holding it with
your legs and one hand while you have the meds in your other hand.
I've asked about revolution or advantage but you might have to get
them from a vet whereas ivermectin is available at feed stores. The
tube of paste will treat up to 1500-pound horse so it's probably
really easy to kill a rabbit if you're not careful.
Jamie
James <j006...@hotmail.com> mentions:
I went with the drops, it's been 3 hours and she seems OK. (lots of grass
for her to eat)
Thought about corn oil, that was one of the alternatives suggested, but..
after thinking it over, it dawned on me that corn oil (or any vegetable oil)
might be a good substance for other organisms to grow in, so, I just went with
mineral oil. (and got most of it on her back..)
I literally cannot restrain her, I've tried, I just can't.
She has lots of grass to wash the taste down with, tomorrow I'll give her more
treats. (5 raisens and some cranberries tonight, just to get the medicine.. I think
thats perhaps a bit much sweet stuff, though, I'm sure she'd disagree!)
good...@nospam.com
While I am a novice with rabbits, I have horses, and I deworm them
with ivermectin. Unless someone else knows something I dont, I'd
advice NOT using the horse product on a rabbit. If you look at the
tube, it is broken down into 250lb increments. Thats about 1/8 of an
inch of the paste. That amount is very small for a horse when you
think about it. The whole tube (if you have an average size tube)
will treat a 1250lb horse. Many horses are smaller, with 900 to
1000lbs being the average. So, if I want to give it to a shetland
pony, I use less than half the tube, and for an average horse, I give
the 1000lb dose (most of the tube). You can give a slightly higher
dose amount to a horse with no bad results, vets recommend to NEVER
give more than DOUBLE the recommended dose.
OK, knowing that, how the heck can you measure the amount for a 5 lb
rabbit? You'd likely be safe if you doubled the amount (same as a
horse), but more than that will likely kill the rabbit. I see no way
to measure that small amount. I suggest getting a diluted brand that
os made for rabbits or cats, or whatever. That way you can measure
the proper amount. Ivermectin is ivermectin no matter what animal you
give it to. The problem is measuring the proper amount. The horse
stuff is strong. Consider that tube is pretty small compared to the
size of a horse. I'd imagine the cat or rabbit stuff is very much
diluted. Stick to that.
As for the ear mites, why cant you use the stuff made for cats? (Just
asking, I may be wrong).
Jamie
good...@nospam.com mentions:
>OK, knowing that, how the heck can you measure the amount for a 5 lb
>rabbit? You'd likely be safe if you doubled the amount (same as a
>horse), but more than that will likely kill the rabbit. I see no way
>to measure that small amount.
Yea, I was kind of worried about that! I was told "a rice grain size" but..
that is kinda well.. you're right it seemed way to easy to goof up.
>I suggest getting a diluted brand that
>os made for rabbits or cats, or whatever. That way you can measure
>the proper amount.
Thats what I did, alas, I had to get her to eat 5 raisens of the crap and
she barely finished the last one. (2 drops pr. raisen)
I'm supposed to give her another treatment on friday. She likes raisens and
pills are no problem (she looks forward to those!) but the liquid sort of
ruined the taste I think.
This is really the only reason I had even considered the other paste stuff,
easier to get her to take it.
>As for the ear mites, why cant you use the stuff made for cats? (Just
>asking, I may be wrong).
I wasn't sure, I remember getting quite a bit of flack from this newsgroup
once because a pet store owner recommended I use fish antibiotics on her.
Was later found out that stuff is poison for rabbits...
Whatever medicine I used.. it had to be oral, there is no way I could have
reliably got a measured dose into an ear directly, that is what I was worried
about. She's a Rex, like yours, but.. she has a serious attitude! (which is
what I like about her.. she's no pushover! LOL)
Angela & the rabbits
How much medication is "2 drops" per raisin? The problem with drops is
it's not a good rule of thumb for measuring. A drop can be double or
triple another drop, meaning 2-3x the medication.
Was this the cattle Ivermectin, 1%? Are you using a 1 cc/ml syringe to
draw it up and measure it? A 50cc bottle contains 500mg of Ivermectin
if it's dosed at 10mg/ml.
To get the correct dose, you have to weigh her, then convert that
weight to kilograms.
She weighs 5 pounds, if that is an exact 5 pounds, she weighs aprox
2.27 kilos. (Divide pounds by 2.2 to get kilos since there are 2.2
kilos in a pound)
The dosage for a rabbit is between 0.20 and 0.44 mgs per kilo. That
dose is in 0.020-0.044 ml of Ivermectin if it's the 10mg/ml
Ivermectin.
So, she should be getting 0.045ml on the low end or 0.099 (0.10) on
the high end if you go with the Morf bunny drug calculator for
dosages. The 0.10 dosage is what is sounds like you are using, but
measuring with a 1 cc/ml syringe is a safer way to dose. It helps
ensure you aren't giving much or too little.
You can also put the dose in a tiny amount of canned pumpkin or fruit
baby food, she might eat it better that way.
Apparently some people do use the mite solution for cats, but the
Ivermectin is so much easier, Revolution is even easier than that.
Many of the cat ear drops suggest doing it daily. that's just not
going to happen if the rabbit isn't cooperating.
Angela