Mistaken Identity
Hermes
I would like those who frequent this forum to read the following
document and provide me with commentary regarding it's content.
http://members.theglobe.com/zoophilia/mistakenid.htm
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>I would like those who frequent this forum to read the following
>document and provide me with commentary regarding it's content.
>http://members.theglobe.com/zoophilia
>Thank you and take care.
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>Operari Sequitur Esse, Hermes
Hello,
Only adult readers who care about animal welfare should continue on this
subject
thank you.
Re: the zoophile page advertsied above:
The group now has a "NAMBLA" styled web site they are trying to get
activists, pet owners and others to read. It is nothing less than the
similar efforts by the NAMBLA pedophile promoting group, or the "new"
KKK promoting web site I saw which explains that people "misunderstand"
these groups, and attempt to sway readers to their side with confusing
terminology and justification essays.
The Pedophiles call child molestation: "Man-boy love"
KKK calls their history proven racism and violence: "Religion, not about
hate" on their web site.
Zoophiles use the terms: "Bestiophile" "Bestialist" to denote sexual
abuse of animals and "zoophile" "zoosexuality" to denote some supposed
difference between one form of bestiality and another form of
bestiality.
They now use the acronym of ZETA (zoophiles for the ethical treatment of
animals)
The fact is, there is no such word as "bestiophile" or "bestialist", or
for that matter: "zoosexuality" or "zoosexual"
They are all acts of BESTIALITY which is sexual contact with animals no
matter what politically correct term they wish to apply to this to make
the act "cleaner" to the public.
This site comes on the heels of a new documentary recently filmed in
Carl Jct Missouri and Wellspring Nebraska by an English TV
company,(Optomen TV and Channel Four in Manchester) as well as the jerry
Springer show from 19 months ago.
It is a massive attempt by people who have sex with animals, to justify
it as "love relations" and trying to thwart legislation against sexual
abuse of animals which will include all sexual contact as an abuse
issue.
The documentary is similar to the popular PBS series: "Nature"
I have more information on my web site on this and what people can do
against this and where to send protest letters.
I have an evidence page on that documentary along with photos of some of
those involved (one woman in Wellspring Nebraska is clearly shown in the
tape wearing a "Wellspring grocery" teeshirt and working at a grocery
store)
Since the zoophile site may be tracking your identity and location, and
is just another justification speech, I don't suggest people visit their
site, just be aware of it and their continued efforts to
**legalize bestiality** by thwarting legislation making it animal abuse
and to excluse themselves from current laws regarding bestiality.
They are going against HSUS, PETA and other groups with their efforts.
I think the abuse staff at HSUS knows what abuse is, they defined this
as ABUSE and have announced legislation against sexual ABUSE of animals.
They have not to my knowlege included within the proposed legislation
any mention of "zoophiles", just the act of sexual contact/abuse of
animals is to be considered and treated as an animal abuse issue with
penalties.
It doesn't matter what people choose to call themselves, and the few
"zoophiles" who don't have sex with animals have no concern with, nor
the law with them.
The legislation covers the *acts* of sexual contact with animals and it
would be the court's jurisdiction and local humane societies involved
with prosecution of abuse issues to prosecute and sentence on a per case
by cae basis.
That is usual in court.
This is the account they they are using:
http://members.theglobe.com/zoophilia/
but not the advertised page, so I have no idea what is usually on this
page, but a brief look and it seems liked a personals ad type page for
zoophiles.
They will be distributing posts and emails in pet and animal forums
directing people to this site, and their ad on a pet-rights group is
clearly designed to mislead readers into going to the URL for
information on "mistaken identity" when in fact it is an ANIMAL SEX
promoting zoophile web site.
As far as their claims of zoophilia being different than bestiality, in
the end, who cares? activists are against SEX with animals an all forms,
and in the end it is for the COURTS to decide on a per case basis what
the charge/penalty will be.
Those not actually having sex with animals won't be affected no matter
what they call themselves or fantasize about.
The big issue here is not who is doing what with their personal animals,
what they call themselves or anything, the issue *is* no mater what they
call themselves or do, having web sites and forums and chats etc
promoting zoophilism as just "misunderstood" is with the documentary and
the springer tape directly responsible for attracting *more* people into
experimenting with animals sexually.
That has exploded on the net in the past 3 years or so to the extent now
it doesnt matetr where you go in animal related forums they are there,
including searches for dog, cat, horse etc for a child's book report.
The cal-zoo *zoophile* owned community site had over 2,000 personal ads
on it, almost every one of which followed a similar theme.
Here are some example ads on the *zoophile* owned and operated forums
showing what is going on, note the "record ID number" and how large it
was, and this is what these zoophile forums are directly fostering just
by their existance:
Katt
Female
Created:
June 1997
Record ID: 11569
Contact:
jasper7@rocketmai
Orientation: Humans:
Bi Animals:
Both sexes
Hello, I'm looking to meet other Zoo's in the S.Cal area..
Specifically Bi Women, but would love to hear from everyone :)
Seeking friendship with others of like mind and desires...
Animal Interests:
Bears, Big Cats, Dogs, Horses, Ponies/Minis, Wolves
Zoo Status:
Inactive
Deckard1
Male
Created: June 1997
Record ID: 11574
San Diego
Updated:
January 1998
Contact:
mjtaylor@ad
Orientation:
Humans: Straight
Animals: Both sexes
I am careful to discuss this subject with select friends. Have had many
fantasies about dog sex. I welcome your descreet and sincere mail. I
have had one actual dog contact when I was very young. I enjoyed it but
was afraid. I would be very interested to get in contact with other zoos
and discuss experiences and learn more.
Animal Interests: Dogs
Zoo Status: Curious
-------------
Zoo4me
Male
Created:
June 1997
Record ID: 11577
San Fernando Valley
Contact:
silviazoo@
Orientation:
Humans: Gay
Animals: Males
Hello, my name is George (not Silvia) a live in the San Fernando Valley
and i am looking for someone with the same interest as myself, i don't
have any pets right now but i am working on it, please note thet i am
very serious, so dont be shy and drop me a line to chatt, exchange some
ideas or...??, Had 2 encounters when younger but haven't lost the
desire.
Animal Interests: Dogs, Horses, Ponies/Minis
Zoo Status: Curious
----------------------
February 1997
Record ID: 11795
San Bern County
Updated:
June 1998
Contact:
baybeau@
Orientation:
Humans: Gay
Animals: Both sexes
Whinny, neigh, Im a 46 yr old gay married zoo. I am very much in love
with my Arab mare. I have been a zoo all my life, as long as I can
remember its wonderful to find so many others like myself. I also enjoy
two male labs. I would LOVE to try a stallion someday. I am starting to
look at cattle that special way too. Maybe someone could tell me what
they are like. Lets talk about our favorite subject HORSES. I would like
to E-mail or maybe meet other zoos in my area, with similar interests.
Animal Interests:
Cattle, Dogs, Horses
Zoo Status:
Active
------\
Luckydog
Male
Created:
August 1997
Record ID: 11953
South Bay
Contact:
luckydog3@h
Orientation:
Humans: Straight
Animals:
Both sexes
Hi! I'm a 33 y.o. Zoo Curious male living in Southern Cal and I'd like
to chat with others who share these same interests, preferably females.
This is all very new to me and if you email me I'll try to give you more
information. Thanks for your understanding.
Animal Interests:
Dogs, Wolves
Zoo Status:
Curious
-------------
And there were over 2,000 more on that one site alone just like those
from the California folder.
Every state and country had ads seeking info or contacts.
THERE is where the bulk of the abuse is, being fostered by a couple of
hundred at best "zoophiles" on web sites and forums reaching thousands
who want to try the latest new kinky sex, or have emotional/social
problems and turning to animals is the easy way out, helped along by all
of these zoophile forms, FAQ's files, etc.
I am organizing efforts against channel four and Optomen and have
contacted the RSPCA in England as well.
Mike
ASAIRS Administrator
http://adult.eskimo.com/~asairs
Dave Salinger
Identity", seeing as how he can't decide who he wants to be (or does he
even really know anymore?)--today he's "asa...@eskimo.com". Tomorrow,
he might be "anim...@aol.com" or "pro4a...@my-deja.com" or....
WhatEVER, right?
Anyway, Randy-- you can bury the 'Mike Rolland' persona. Nobody's
buyin' it anymore.
Hermes
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Operari Sequitur Esse, Hermes
Da Vi0lat0r
Rolland/Randy Pepe/Anim...@aol.com/sayn...@aol.com/whuteva writhed
in agony and screamed:
> Hello,
> Only adult readers who care about animal welfare should
> continue on this subject
> thank you.
I guess that counts _YOU_ out - after all, was it not *you* who wrote:
"One of the first was a male labrador/border collie just nine months
old. We had sex before and I liked him a lot, but today would be the day
I would partake in killing him..."
"I wanted him to suffer. Maybe I was being mean..."
>>ya think?<<
"I decided he would be put down [...] I was going to wait until payday
and have him euthanized [...] Payday was a week away...I grabbed the
hammer and [...] I hit him with it. I knew once I did I would have to
kill him because after the first blow he would probably go crazy. I hit
him several times as hard as I could on the head, but it didn't even
faze him! I hit him several times in the ribs and it was enough to
distract him long enough for me to run out the front door and slam it
shut behind me."
"So there I was standing outside the front door, I was not going to keep
him another hour [...] Later that day I set up the dog crate next to
the car, and coaxed star outside, he seemed perfectly fine and normal.
[...] I lured him into the crate with dog food and shut the door. [...]
I started the car up. I directed a hose with the exhaust into the tarped
over crate. I had hoped I was doing the right thing, I
reasoned that many humane shelters euthanize animals with carbon
monoxide, so it couldn't be painful or anything to him [...] Within
less than a minute Star was unconscious, and then he was gone.
-R.Pepe, 1995
> Re: the zoophile page advertsied above:
>
> The [zoophile] group now has a "NAMBLA" styled web site
> they are trying to get activists, pet owners and others
> to read.
Naw, that page is boring. I think *yer* writings on the topic are way
c00ler:
"I was having great sex with all three dogs. Silvasceptre was the most
responsive one of the three. He was the dog who showed me that male dogs
can really enjoy sex. He would mount me and grab my head so hard it hurt
sometimes from his claws, then he would thrust as hard as he could until
he ejaculated in my mouth, he would do it repeatedly until he had
enough. I savored the taste, it was very pleasant. Then I would
masturbate while he licked me. After we had sex he would cavort, play,
bark and get more excited and we would collapse together on the floor
where we were and just lay there in each other arms for a while. We
were two males satisfying each others' raw sex drives. It mattered not
in the least to either of us that we were of different species, we only
cared that it all felt good and that we enjoyed each other bodies and
mutual love."
-R. Pepe, 1995
Wot a happy thot! Thanx fer sharing, d00d 8-)~~
"...I never did get a puppy from her, but she instead offered me an
adult male. He was four years old but he looked ideal in the video she
sent. So in December we met and I looked the big fellow over. I just
loved him from the start, and after several hours Ranger was on the
front seat and we were driving home. It would be a three hour drive.
During the trip home I fondled his penis a few times, it was so big and
I couldn't wait to get home. When we arrived home, I introduced him to
Corky and Laska with no problems. Then I took him into the bedroom and
we had sex, he was somewhat clueless about what to do since he had never
been used for breeding before. Before long, his hormones really kicked
in and he suddenly wanted sex very badly. I couldn't get used to just
how large this dog was, stretched out on the floor he looked absolutely
enormous. In the back of my mind I was not sure I had made the right
choice, I was determined to make it work out and before too long I
became used to his bulk and size and he started to look well...."normal"
to me in size. We went to a few shows together, and as always he
performed perfectly, he was so well trained he was a joy to show. I
really enjoyed our one-on-one days like that. Just the two of us. Of
course initially I discovered he did not like to go for car rides..."
>>Why didn't he like car rides? Mebbe cause he knew that's how j00
killed yer other dogs/lovers/sextoys? *Could* it be?<<
"...I was there by myself before Anna came in and the shelter was to
open. I had sex with almost every male dog that was there before I was
hired, and almost every new arrival. I mostly just masturbated them. I
gave oral sex to a select few who were very clean and had been brought
in from the former owner's home. There were the Dalmatian and the
Golden retriever, the Black lab and many others. Every single one
enjoyed my advances and their enthusiasm turned me on a lot."
-R. Pepe, 1995
>>Sounds ~tasty~ Randy (sicko) - why don't you elaborate? Oh? You
will? Ok!<<
"One morning I had just given oral sex to one of the dogs and was
masturbating in the inner kennel stall with him licking me, when I
heard the back door slam! At first it didn't register and I thought it
was my imagination or something. My heart almost stopped as I saw the
top of a person's head walk past on the other side of the freestanding
puppy cages. Those cages were in the center of the aisle, and the
person was Anna!! She was too early to start work, and there I was in
the stall..."
-R. Pepe, 1995
> It is nothing less than the similar efforts by the
> NAMBLA pedophile promoting group, or the "new"
> KKK promoting web site I saw which explains that
> people "misunderstand" these groups, and attempt
> to sway readers to their side with confusing
> terminology and justification essays.
>>Good thing *j00* never wrote anything like that.<<
"As time went on I became much more open about my sexuality. Eventually
I became dissatisfied with having to hide it, and keeping it to myself.
If the topic of sex came up in discussions or if asked why I didn't have
a girl friend, or why wasn't I married yet, I spoke the truth. Pretty
soon most of my close friends and co-workers all knew that my lovers
were dogs, and they didn't care because they knew me as a person..."
"At the first day of the dog shows, it was all I could do to keep my
mind and eyes off the male dogs! gosh, there were Mastiffs, St.
Bernards, Boxers, Malamutes, Bullmastiffs, Akita, Newfoundlands and
Rottweilers to name a few, and they distracted and made me very excited.
In many ways it was and is the same as a man who goes to a Miss America
Pageant, or watches the "Dallas Cowboys" on TV and gawks at the
cheer-leaders. When a dog passed me I'd look to see if it was a male.
If the dog was a male I sized them up and fantasized about their penis
and semen. How much, the taste etcetera. I had found that every dogs'
semen had a slightly unique taste that is hard to describe, it's very
mild, slightly salty, with a mild after-taste; it is thin like water."
-R. Pepe, 1995
> The Pedophiles call child molestation: "Man-boy love"
> KKK calls their history proven racism and violence: "Religion, not
> about hate" on their web site.
Just as yer page are supposedly about the protection of animals and the
promulgation of religious values, and NOT about hate (dunno bout others,
but my throat can't stretch wide enough ta swallow a King-Kong sized
turd like that one - try someone else, l0ser). Yer page is all about
hate. Why did you originally pick tha handle 'saynozoos'? Course, then
ya switched it ta 'pro-animal' and animalsav and all that shit, simply
cause yer lies and real motives were too transparent.
> Zoophiles use the terms: "Bestiophile" "Bestialist" to denote sexual
> abuse of animals and "zoophile" "zoosexuality" to denote some supposed
> difference between one form of bestiality and another form of
> bestiality.
Wonder which *j00* fit into
> They now use the acronym of ZETA (zoophiles for the ethical treatment
>of animals)
Well, sounds like yer main beef with them is that they don't kill the
animals after they're done with them. That it?
> They are all acts of BESTIALITY which is sexual contact with
> animals no matter what politically correct term they wish to
> apply to this to make the act "cleaner" to the public.
Further comments are unnecessary in light of YOUR own words, quoted
above, Randy.
> I have more information on my web site on this and
> what people can do against this
~yawn~
Mebbe j00 oughta add yer own REAL writings to tha page - but j00 wouldnt
wanna confuse tha issues with FACTS now, wouldja? That might be
damaging to yer 'cause' (which is the fomenting of hate).
> and where to send protest letters.
c00l! Where can I send a letter about j00? Sounds like yer steeped in
illegality and animal abuse, yerself.
> Since the zoophile site may be tracking your identity
> and location, and is just another justification speech,
Wots funnier than a hypocrite accusing others of hypocrasy? Randy, of
course!
> I don't suggest people visit their site,
Of course not - wouldn't wish to sully your bullshit with any facts.
> They are going against HSUS, PETA and other groups with their efforts.
didnt know U were a spokesman ('spokesbestialist'?) fer the HSUS n PETA.
Do they know? Do they approve, considering yer checkered past?
> I think the abuse staff at HSUS knows what abuse is, they defined this
> as ABUSE and have announced legislation against sexual ABUSE of
> animals.
So what did they have to say about *your* abuse of animals? Trying to
beat one to death with a hammer? Gassing one with car exhaust? how
sick can ya get? Just when I thought there weren't enough freakazoids
on the net, well, there *you* are.
> They have not to my knowlege included within the proposed legislation
> any mention of "zoophiles", just the act of sexual contact/abuse of
> animals is to be considered and treated as an animal abuse issue with
> penalties.
c00l! Lemme know when yer sentencing starts ;-)~
> They will be distributing posts and emails in pet and animal forums
> directing people to this site, and their ad on a pet-rights group is
> clearly designed to mislead readers
Unlike every post ov yers which is designed to mislead and deceive.
Yer tuggin on it - is it gettin sore yet?
Give it a rest, Randy. Anyone dumb enough to fall prey to yer BS
deserves what they get: dealings with a freak/psychopath.
> As far as their claims of zoophilia being different than bestiality,
> in the end, who cares?
It appears *they* do. And ~YOU~ certainly seem to - you appear to have
a VERY *keen* interest in tha matter...Wonder why...Turns ya on, I
guess. At least, according ta yer own werds...
> -------------
>
> And there were over 2,000 more on that one site alone just like those
> from the California folder.
So? Who appointed *YOU* the moral Czar of the world? Betcha didnt read
that ole scrap a paper called tha Constitution of the US of fackin A:
No legislation of morality, thanx.
>[zoophiles] have emotional/social problems and turning to animals
>is the easy way out,
really? Ya didnt mention that in tha writings above, R in tha rest ov
yer autobiography.
>helped along by all of these zoophile forms, FAQ's
>files, etc.
Ya, and if you ever accidentally see some gay porn, ya might turn into a
fag.
~~NOT~~
> Mike
> ASAIRS Administrator
> http://adult.eskimo.com/~asairs
Since U've publicly admitted yer name is Randy (even on yer page!), why
keep up tha BS? Is it just ta phool those who don't know any better?
If so, hopefully, they'll give this a read, and mebbe even be inoculated
against yer BS.
Just helping ta set things straight, y0.
Have a Great Day,
Tha Vi0lat0r
--
"j00 bin VI0LATED, g1rlym0n."
Lt. Vik
creds by waxing rhapsodically:
> "...a male labrador/border collie just nine months old. We had sex
> before... but today would be the day I would partake in killing
> him...I wanted him to suffer...I grabbed the hammer and [...] I hit
> him with it...several times as hard as I could on the head...Later
> that day I...lured him into the crate...shut the door...started the
> car up... directed a hose with the exhaust into the taped over crate."
...thus demonstrating his firm belief in an animal's right to have it's
head humanely smashed with a heavy blunt object, then to suffer for
many hours before being finally gassed with CO.
Elsewhere within, Randy outlines his routine demonstration of his love
for (with?) animals by:
>"...having great sex with all three dogs. Silvasceptre was the most
> responsive...He would mount me and grab my head so hard it hurt
> sometimes from his claws, then he would thrust as hard as he could
> until he ejaculated in my mouth...I savored the taste, it was very
> pleasant."
MMMmmmm.....*yummy*! (Kids, don't try this at home)
And let's not forget Randy's tireless endeavors to support animal
rights in the workplace:
> "...I was there by myself...in...the shelter...I had sex with almost
> every male dog... I gave oral sex to a select few. Every single one
> enjoyed my advances and their enthusiasm turned me on a lot."
And not a discriminatory bone in his body, yet-- both golden as well as
black labs enjoyed his oral equal-opportunity!
You know, Randy--two thoughts come to mind after hearing just these few
passages of your history as kindly relayed by ViOlatOr: one, I feel a
strong compulsion to take my brain out & wash it thoroughly in the sink
(although I doubt the stain of reading such absolute obscenity may ever
be completely soaped free). Two, I'm awestruck in considering just
what feat of mental gymnastics enables you to even dare looking
yourself in the mirror without being felled by a massive stroke caused
by supreme cognitive dissonance...MUCH LESS your summoning the
prodigious amount of gall--los cojones muchos grande-- to put yourself
forth in public as a proponent for 'animal-rights'.
Please educate the world on how you successfully accomplish both facets
of the latter.
Lt. Vik
-----
"I don't need to work with any loose canons."
--Randy Pepe, aka 'anim...@aol.com', 3.9.99
Thaumiel
"Da Vi0lat0r" and their rude commentary aside, that is a VERY savage indictment of Pro_Animal.
I'll beg pardon in advance. I am NOT trying to play the troll. Just speaking my piece. I post this with the full-foreknowledge of its flame-attractant value, and while I hope I'm wrong, I can probably expect flames aplenty from both camps, since I am a not strictly a member of either, which renders me fair game for all, so do your worst ;\
I don't want flames. I am honestly curious to hear other's thoughts on this matter, or if Randy has anything to say on the topic regarding what he alleges he did. I don't expect an answer from him, and anything I receive will probably fall into the categories of a flame, hate-mail, or a threat. Most likely, he'll never send me anything, though - merely call/email my ISP to file groundless complaints.
To say I was appalled at reading what he wrote (all quoted below) is a severe understatement. That is why I am writing this. Again, pardon my spleen, but I found it shocking and utterly repulsive. Another reason I wrote this (venting).
But my curiousity IS geniune, so anyone with serious commentary or further light to shed/comments to share/etc., please reply, or if you feel it offtopic and a waste of this forum to post it here, please email me. ALL coherent notes will be read and maybe even replied to, including antagonistic/critical ones, provided they possess at least a measure of politeness and reason, and are coherent enough to count as real critiques.
That said, my spleen follows, excised and revealed for all who care
to see it.
--
My first question is not "Did he write/say these things" (from what
I've read so far from 'pro_animal'/AnimalSav/AnimalHlp/etc. etc., I concluded
the only way to tell if he/she/it is lying is if they're posting ;)
- but instead the MUCH more important question of "Did he
DO
those things"?
If so, I think few more deserving of the title "Sicko of the Year", and if he did even ONE of the atrocities he admits to doing, few more richly deserve or should be more hastily nominated for the coveted "Shovel To The Head" award.
While normally preferring to lurk and stay out of the mire of flamewars/endless debates/etc., and mostly nonpartisan in the entire Animal Rights Activists vs. their Antagonistic Counterparts saga, if 'Randy' is any sort of representative of the HSUS, PETA, or any ARA group, I'm tempted to transgress upon my normally liberal nature and suggest mandatory sterilization of every member of ALL such groups at the earliest opportunity, just to be on the safe side - any group caring to have a spokesperson/coordinator who is so obviously a warped sadist and social deviant cannot be disbanded and removed from the population quickly enough.
<DISCLAIMER>
I am NOT:
An anti-animal activist.
A homosexual.
A pedophile.
A zoophile.
A hunter.
A research scientist who cuts off monkey's fingers for delight.
A plant from the local cosmetic company fomenting dissatisfaction against
those who disagree with some of their (admittedly needless) animal testing.
Or any of the other charges routinely levied by "Pro_Animal" or others against those who say anything contrary to their "Word of God, Hand Delivered" posts.
I am not a vegetarian, nor do I plan on becoming one.
I am not averse to legitimate and credentialed researchers doing tests
on labrats if it reduces human misery.
I AM opposed to senseless violence and cruelty towards
living things.
I am Anti-violence. I see violence and the infliction of needless
suffering as being harmfully atavistic, and while there appears no
end to the subject matter which can and has fueled millions of pages written
about Just How Shitty Humans Are To Each Other and other living beings,
I for one would like to see the curtailing of such subject matter - become
civilized, and eventually let the fodder for the 'Man's Inhumanity' ledgers
fall into disuse.
Make of that what you will; while free of any need to justify myself to anyone, I do think that evaluation of what is said involves considering the source from whence it comes. Take it as you will.
The worst I can be accurately accused of is not ALWAYS employing the missionary position with my SO - who is of the opposite sex, thank you very much - nor do I support in any way/shape/form "NAMBLA" or others who engage in possibly illegal/non-consensual sex. I am not a proponent OR adversary of any consensual sexuality (for now, I'll retain neutrality on the sex issues, if for no other reason than there IS no real reason to discuss sexuality in a group about Animal Rights, unless it is demonstrably on-topic, which this barely is, and only because it refers to someone proclaiming themselves concerned with the welfare of animals).
</DISCLAIMER>
With that said, I'd like to add that at least "NAMBLA" is several evolutionary grades above the ARA quoted below. At least it is to "NAMBLA"s credit that they don't KILL their lovers after they're done with them - and if they do, at least they have the discretion and decency not to brag about it. From what little I understand of such groups, it appears against their tenets to take such an action, and because I haven't heard of them bragging about it, despite my repugnance for them, I'm sadly now more inclined to extend them the benefit of the doubt than this ARA personage, if that demonstrates just how low my respect has fallen for said groups.
This particularly vocal, self-proclaimed representative of HSUS makes me reconsider my socially liberal and formerly almost pro-ARA views; while NOT an ARA or the opposite, I have at least some leanings in that direction, as mentioned above. Anyone who would beat a dog with a hammer or expose ANY pet to car exhaust is a sadist, lacks respect for life, and has NO fundamental understanding of the nature of suffering, or is just a mental child, incapable of comprehending the atrociousness of their own behavior. If Randy/Pro_Animal is guilty of even ONE of the things they claim to have done quoted in the post appended to this, he is, IMHO, desperately needy of a wood shampoo - though perhaps justice would be more properly served if his crimes were visited upon him, as the judge in some state (I forget which - it was some years ago, and I only recall the highlights; it was in several newspapers about 1-2 years ago. Further attributions of this can be provided, if necessary) sentenced a man who abandoned puppies or kittens in an unheated shed in the winter - the judge offered him a choice between spending two weeks sleeping in the same shed, or 60 days in jail.
He took the jailtime. Little wonder.
If Randy really DID lure a dog "...Into the crate with dog food and shut the door...[then started the car and] ...Directed a hose with the exhaust into the tarped over crate" I think it only fitting that he be placed in a depressurization chamber until the vacuum pops him like a weasel, or perhaps he should be placed in a similarly tarped-over crate and fed automobile-exhaust. That would be just.
And what's more chilling than his statement after that: "I...hoped I was doing the right thing."
Unbelievable. How can anyone guilty of that bear to LIVE with themselves afterward, much less BRAG about it?!?!? Even Adolf Eichmann could at least offer the (weak) excuse that he "was only following orders" - but to inflict suffering for no other reason than a DESIRE to do so should cause any normal person an overwhelming sense of guilt. I can't even begin to fathom it.
That assumes one actually cared for the living beings suffering was inflicted upon - something Eichmann lacked - or at least the possession of a conscience. I would really like to know if anyone else can read Randy's words below without being just a little horrified - I was unable to - even assuming it is all fiction, and that he didn't really do what he claims he did. If you can, and I am merely a bleeding heart liberal, then please say so - I can accept criticism, provided it is reasoned and not merely a personal attack about me being a whining ARA (which I have already pointed out I am not, and which a review of any and all archived commentary by me in any newsgroup will support).
Intolerance and emotional distress at witnessing or even deeply considering needless cruelty inflicted upon other living things is or should be part of what makes us human. While that point is open to debate, I offer it merely as my opinion.
The only reasonable explanation I can arrive at that would allow Randy to commit unwarranted brutality and murder of other living things, and to NOT be tortured daily by the furies of conscience could only revolve around a lack of conscience - a complete incapability of caring. My mind remains open to alternate views anyone cares to offer, but right now, that is the only logical conclusion I see. Insights others can offer will be appreciated and considered (if by no one else but me), and I would actually find it gratifying if someone could persuade me that ARA's are not a demented scourge who are more damaging to the animals they pretend to care about - a situation faintly reminiscent of the so-called "ProLife" Advocates who claim to care about the "welfare of the unborn", yet care not a whit for them once they've exited the womb, their rhetoric inadequately convincing and usually leaving one feeling the issue is really more about patriarchal control, with fetuses merely the most convenient medium for furthering that end.
I really do hope this is a joke. I hope that his writings quoted below are all fiction, and that none of it ever occurred, or something. That Randy wrote it is already publicly admitted in numerous places (I leave it to the curious to do their own research - www.deja.com is free, as are other search engines). I do know he wrote it, not being foolish enough to not confirm a few things prior to composing this monolog.
Cruelty occurs endlessly; the First Noble Truth is "Sabbe Pi Dukkham" - "All is Sorrow". Yet I still think what follows horrific. Subjecting other living beings to deliberate torture, bragging about it, and then posing as one who cares for the welfare and well-being of animals only renders this all the more gruesome (shudder).
Randy being a spokesperson for any ARA group, much less the HSUS or PETA gives me serious pause. In the past, I have supported the Humane Society - while too apathetic and occupied with other things to volunteer time, I instead expressed my respect for their avowed goals with the occasional monetary donation - now, I worry that giving the Humane Society money is similar to entrusting the care of a child to a child-murderer. If the Humane Society IS truly affiliated with Randy and anyone remotely like him, reservations about doing any such thing in the future are growing by the day, and my respect for said organizations is becoming vanishingly small, to the extent where I can almost mean it when I say that whatever group(s) this pathetic sadist is associated or affiliated with should be disbanded posthaste, their crops razed, their fields plowed with salt, their belongings and loved ones scattered to the four corners, and their descendents visited with plagues of locusts and the whole lot.
Anyone guilty of what Randy admits to being guilty of is dangerous; even if what he wrote were "mere fantasies of his imagination" I would still view him and his affiliations as suspect.
Comments are welcome, and further insights will be appreciated.
Senseless flames and SPAM will be routed straight to /dev/null with no
more reply than being cheerily razzberried as they hit the bit-bucket.
<g>
Thau
--
"A dog does not bite the hand that feeds it. This is the difference
between man and dog."
-S.C.
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Dave Salinger <dave...@my-deja.com> wrote:
SNIP
> WhatEVER, right?
> Nobody's
> buyin' it anymore.
Shruggs...
Sure, and it looks like no one CARES about that so get a life :)
Here's a dime buy one at payless.
Mike
pro_a...@my-deja.com
>Wow.
> "Da Vi0lat0r" and their rude commentary aside, that is a VERY savage >indictment of Pro_Animal.
>
I'll beg pardon in advance. I am NOT trying >
to play the troll.
Hi, I especially enjoyed his selective editing, very fascinating!
> I post this with the full-foreknowledge of its flame-attractant >value, and while I hope I'm wrong, I can probably expect flames aplenty >from both camps, since I am a not strictly a member of either,
I think you will find that readers here will ignore you and the other
zoophiles, since you all have already proven your posts are about
harassment, trolling and causing trouble on this forum.
Id suspect you are kill filed by the majority of them.
>I don't want flames.
You dont??
Then leave and go back to your thoughtless shop
> I am honestly curious to hear other's thoughts on this matter, or if
>anything to say on the topic regarding what he alleges he did. I don't >expect an answer from him,
Personally I don't care about any of that years old garbage, it is
nothing less nor more than extrapolated part fiction, part pornographic
text to interest a porn book publisher to add drama and some action to
otherwise boring material about a very ordinary zoophile, and partly to
cause a rise in readers.
The text you and the other posted has been in various zoophile hands and
forums for years, no doubt edited along with some keyword changes here
and there.
At this point none of that matters, since the text in question is
referring to non existant, or altered events set many *years* in the
past, who cares? I dont, Judy doesnt, the HSUS doesnt and probably no
one I deal with cares about any of that either and they have read that
garbage previously.
Unlike you Thoumial, I live in the "today" and the proven reality of
today/currently
I have proven myself over 19 months by fighting against bestiality in
every form, and I am currently fighting against your zoophile friend's
TV documentary that aired in the UK recently and produced by optomen TV
with channel four.
I don't have to prove or justify anything about my efforts, activists
have seen my posts and action alerts, rec'd my faxes and calls and seen
my web sites and files all 100% against bestiality / zoophilia.
Oh and by the way, just for your your info Thau... did you know that
many humane societies routinely euthanise animals using CO gas?
Thanks for bringing that up though, I will go into that topic a bit.
Use of CO for humane euthanasia is falling out of favor now largely due
to the health risks for the operators exposure and the like, and that
incorrect procedures may not expose a group of animals to the gas long
enough etc.
CO gas for those who don't know is what kills many people in their sleep
each winter from defective chimneys and flues from gas burning
appliances.
In a higher concentration such as auto exhaust such as in a closed
garage- It causes a rapid unconsciousness and then death in minutes.
People exposed to smaller concentrations of it may feel dizzy and
disoriented, lightheaded etc. continued exposure results in death.
Every year people painlessly kill themselves by running the car in the
closed garage.
I should close on that note with this:
CO (carbon monoxide) is an odorless toxic poison that kills rapidly
before the person is even aware they are being exposed!, do yourself and
family a kindness and have your chimney and flues checked by a service
person before turning your heating system on, to be sure all is
functioning as it should.
Pets, elderly and and those with respiratory problems are especially
susceptable.
Disclaimer:
I am in no way associated with, financially support or work for any
animal or religious groups.
For more information on what you can do to stop sexual abuse of animals,
visit:
http://adult.eskimo.com/~asairs
Have a good day,
Mike
ASAIRS Administrator
Lt. Vik
nitrate for good measure, Randy slurred in message
<7tor3v$80e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>I especially enjoyed (ViOlatOr's) selective editing, very fascinating!
Seemed edited for brevity to me rather than for contextual
misdirection.
>I think you will find that readers here will ignore you and the other
zoophiles...
*Excellent* logic skills, R-man: "I am anti-zoo....they are anti-
me...ergo, they are zoophiles".
>Personally I don't care about any of that years old garbage, it is
>nothing less nor more than extrapolated part fiction, part pornographic
>text to interest a porn book publisher...
Wow--while the words are yours I picture the visage of Bill Clinton
mouthing them ("Depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is...").
LOL
Ok, if you want to split hairs, let me just crank over a higher-
magnification objective:
"..extrapolated...." (Def: 'to project, extend or expand') --So
THAT'S what you did to that 9-mo-old puppy--you didn't brain him, you
EXTRAPOLATED him (PROJECTED a hammer by EXTENDING your arm in a
forceful arc whose impact EXPANDED his skull)
"..part fiction..." --And the rest truth, necessarily.
"part pornographic text" -- Understatement
>The text you and the other posted has been in various zoophile hands
>and forums for years, no doubt edited along with some keyword changes
>here and there.
While implying material alteration, you failed to point out any alleged
instances in the quoted excerpts. 'Keyword changes' --how might that
have worked? What may have been the original word that 'penis' was
replaced with--'paw'? How about 'semen'--'drool' or 'spittle', maybe?
>At this point none of that matters...
Really?
> ...since the text in question is referring to non existant, or
> altered events set many *years* in the past
Yes, the past is past--what happened 'there' no longer exists and has
no impact on the 'here'. Every day is a new beginning with no
connection to what went before, eh?
>.. did you know that many humane societies routinely euthanise animals
using CO gas?
Usually the societies send the animals on their way without first
treating them to an ass-boning & conk on the head with a hammer.
>Mike
>ASSHAIRS Administrator
OOPSIE with the 'Mike Rolland' thing again. I mean, come on, Randy--
it's understandable why you wish to distance yourself as much as
possible from your real life. But clinging to that charade only makes
you look all the more foolish and dissembling (if the latter is at all
possible).
--Lt. Vik
----------------------
Rock -> 0 Randy X <- Hard Place
Pro4animal
>Seemed edited for brevity to me rather than >for contextual
>misdirection.
>While implying material alteration, you failed >to point out any alleged
>instances in the quoted excerpts. 'Keyword >changes' --how might that
>have worked? What may have been the >original word that 'penis' was
>replaced with--'paw'? How about 'semen'--'>drool' or 'spittle', maybe?
I'm glad you brought that up, since the entire meaning of the entire page was
altered by a few omissions and a few keyword changes.
Here was the distorted text as posted by your zoo friend:
"I decided he would be put down [...] I was going to wait until payday and have
him euthanized [...] Payday was a week away...I grabbed the
hammer and [...] I hit him with it. I knew once I did I would have to kill him
because after the first blow he would probably go crazy. I hit
him several times as hard as I could on the head, but it didn't even faze him!
I hit him several times in the ribs and it was enough to
distract him long enough for me to run out the front door and slam it
shut behind me."
Downloading the entire manuscript in zip form from the web, and searching for
that page within, lo and behold I see a whole lot of important and vital
details were removed from those little: [...]
Here is the majority of the original complete page, gee what a difference those
[...]'s make!
The text in it's present form is also over 4 years old, (no mention of how long
it was in the works) and appears to be set in a time frame of over 11 years
ago.
It looks like *self defense* to me, not "cold blooded convienience murder" as
your friends snipped to alter it to read:
"Fur of the Beast"
Richard Shepherd (C) 1996
SNIP
... 1988
Not long afterwards, something very strange happened with Star, it would
greatly disturb me. It would also mean we would be parted forever shortly and
leave me greatly disheartened and upset again.
The rage attack came out of the blue, completely unexpected, I walked across
the room to get something, passing Star on the way. Suddenly from the corner of
my eye I saw it too late, he sunk his teeth into the back of my leg just like
that. It was agony, and as he sunk his teeth in he shook his head making it
worse, he was so strong I had a hell of a time getting him off me. While I was
trying to get him off of me, [name snip] heard the commotion and broke down
the bedroom door. Out of the corner of my eye I saw him charge into the room
and I just knew there would be a major fight. There was an awful fight, I was
in agony, blood pouring down my leg and the two of them were in a big fight,
with [name snip] trying to join them. I managed to get her outside. and
shortly afterwards it was over. I was attending my deep puncture wounds and I
had two chewed up dogs. My leg hurt so badly I got into the car and went to the
store for aspirin and took about half a dozen tablets. The next day almost the
same thing happened, Star again attacked me, and his teeth sunk in exactly the
same place on my leg as they did the day before, only, the pain was ten times
worse this time. I managed to get him off of me and nursed my leg which now was
cramping up so badly I couldn't stand up. I decided he would be put down.
Something was seriously wrong with him, rage syndrome? brain tumor? what was
it? I didn't know, but I was not going to have a dog like that in my house,
lover or not, it was a deeply emotional internal struggle between one part of
me that deeply loved this dog with all my heart, and another part that was now
afraid of him and even resentful that he dared bite me.
I was going to wait until payday and have him euthanized. While I struggled
internally with that idea, the imminent finality and loss, payday was a week
away. My God, I took to carrying a hammer for protection from my own dog,
reasoning that if he attacked me I would have to kill him to get him off me.
The third attack came before I was able to take him to the vets, this time on
my other leg. I grabbed the hammer and with great emotional pain and anguish I
hit him with it. I knew once I did I would have to kill him because after the
first blow he would probably go crazy. I hit him several times as hard as I
could on the head, but it didn't even faze him! His teeth were sunk deep in my
leg and he was trying to tear a piece of my leg off, the pain was incredible. I
hit himont door and slam it shut behind me.
So there I was standing outside the front door, my shoe and sock getting soaked
by the blood from my leg. That was it, the last straw. I was not going to risk
a ten-day quarantine and two 35 mile car trips with him, nor was I going to
keep him another hour let alone a week. Later that day I set up the dog crate
next to the car, and coaxed star outside, he seemed perfectly fine and normal.
It was so difficult to understand, what was wrong with him? I didn't know, he
was a Jeckle and Hyde dog.
[snip]
I had hoped I was doing the right thing, I reasoned that many humane shelters
euthanize animals with carbon monoxide, so it couldn't be painful or anything
to him, just to me emotionally and psychologically. Within less than a minute
Star was unconscious
================================
unde...@my-deja.com
pro4a...@aol.com (Pro4animal) wrote:
> >>I especially enjoyed (ViOlatOr's) selective >>editing, very
fascinating!
>
> >Seemed edited for brevity to me rather than >for contextual
> >misdirection.
>
> >While implying material alteration, you failed >to point out any
alleged
> >instances in the quoted excerpts. 'Keyword >changes' --how might
that
> >have worked? What may have been the >original word that 'penis' was
> >replaced with--'paw'? How about 'semen'--'>drool' or 'spittle',
maybe?
>
> I'm glad you brought that up, since the entire meaning of the entire
page was
> altered by a few omissions and a few keyword changes.
>
> Here was the distorted text as posted by your zoo friend:
JUST FOR THE RECORD, Randall Pepe aka Mike Rolland and Richard Shepherd
and TONS of aliases wrote these sick stories. Glad you came out, RANDY,
to admit that you hate yourself. Thanks for proving my point even
further! I highly doubt that any zoo IS your friend! A secrch on Deja
under "Fur Of The Beast" will prove as sufficient eveidence towards
this sick man.
Underdog
========================================================================
ONCE AGAIN.......
JUST FOR THE RECORD, Randall Pepe aka Mike Rolland and Richard Shepherd
wrote these sick stories. Glad you came out to admit that you hate
yourself. Thanks for proving my point even further!
Underdog
========================================================================
Thaumiel
"Da Vi0lat0r" and their rude commentary aside, that is a VERY savage
indictment of Pro_Animal.
I'll beg pardon in advance. I am NOT trying to play the troll. Just
speaking my piece. I post this with the full-foreknowledge of its
flame-attractant value, and while I hope I'm wrong, I can probably expect
flames aplenty from both camps, since I am not strictly
a member of either, which renders me fair game for all, so do your worst ;\
I don't want flames. I am honestly curious to hear other's thoughts on this
matter, or if Randy has anything to say on the topic
regarding what he alleges he did. I don't expect an answer from him, and
<DISCLAIMER>
I am NOT:
</DISCLAIMER>
"NAMBLA"s credit that they don't KILL their lovers after they're done with
If Randy really DID lure a dog "...Into the crate with dog food and shut the
door...[then started the car and] ...Directed a hose with
the exhaust into the tarped over crate" I think it only fitting that he be
placed in a depressurization chamber until the vacuum pops
him like a weasel, or perhaps he should be placed in a similarly tarped-over
crate and fed automobile-exhaust. That would be
just.
And what's more chilling than his statement after that: "I...hoped I was
doing the right thing."
-S.C.
Thaumiel
Actual cogitational function being vastly beyond your feeble mental capacity, at
least you've learned *something* about Network News Transfer Protocol in your time
on Usenet (think of what an utter waste of time it would have been for you if you
had learned *nothing*).
But I think most would agree that X-header inclusion is no major feat for someone
who conducts themselves as if they were such an Uber Leet Haxor...
Not a Sermon, Just a thought.
YWN,
Thau
--
"One should forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged."
-Heinrich Heine
--Original Msg Posted By Randy on October 10th 1999--
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Subject: Re: "Ward, I'm Worried About the Beaver...."
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>>>>>>>>>>X_ No_Archive_yes <<<<<<<<<< Hmmm.....
Hey zoo guys and hack shop friends, I noticed not one of you even bothered to
post your "outrage" about the two cases in the news and posted here about Rocky
who was tortured and torn, and about the little Beagle puppy that a Mayor
killed by hitting with a shovel in the head because the puppy was barking at
him and he was annoyed.
How come that is?
It must be that selective zoophilism and selective "concern" for animals that
only allows you to get outraged at certain ex zoophiles for proposing
legislation against sexual abuse of animals .
Thanks for showing us that every time you get into your rampages here against
me and the Myers :)
Hermes
z.e...@mailcity.com wrote:
>
>
> I would like those who frequent this forum to read the following
> document and provide me with commentary regarding it's content.
>
>
> Thank you and take care.
>
> Operari Sequitur Esse, Hermes
Well this is really interesting, reading all this back and forth
tug-o-war. Personally I think Randy (aka Mike, Pro_Animal, animalsav, on
and on...) is slipping and loosing a lot of ground. Even the folks who
arn't zoophiles are against you Randy - you certainly know how to
influence folks.
Randy, I really don't think you're sane - I think that your entire
crusade is one of revenge on those who told you how they felt regarding
your barbaric acts of cruelty and the murder of your pets. You were
renounced as a zoophile! And now, like a bully who got his ego bruised,
you're out to get back at those who didn't treat you with the sympathy
and heartfelt sorrow that you were pining for.
Considering the way you go on about bestiality, a condition you claim to
have recovered from - it really worries me when you go on about
pedophlia and the kkk! I think you need some serious help before you're
found in your white kkk robes with the corpse of a mutilated dog stuck
to your privets mumbling about the children you dream of molesting.
I'm really begining to fear that you are a psychopath in need of some
serious help, as you are beginning to blither more than state any valid
case. So what exactly is the meaning of this page Randy?
http://members.tripod.com/~holdup/holdup.html
Sure - you may have created it as a perody in answer to a page about you
(it's only natural that folks are making pages like this about you,
you're making people sick of you) but what is the pathology of your mind
when you include the skinned dogs picture? It's really in bad taste and
it's quite sick - at least in my humble opinion. Do you think it's
funny?
Well anyway, enough about this delusional bully and pet killer. What did
you folks think about my essey "mistaken identity?"
--
Operari Sequitur Esse, Hermes
Pony Boy
Get over yourself Pro - the rest of us already
have.
-- Pony
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:47:37 GMT,
pr0_a...@my-deja.com wrote:
<snip>
"We are the people our parents warned us about."
-Jimmy Buffett-
Hermes
Pro_brainf..k, again Oops, Pro_Anim... Oh man I just cant say it - it's
just not true. You know who I mean!
The post I made prior about this - thing - I mean person, must have
stung a nerve because he emailed my ISP and complained that I was
harassing him. Considering what he's been doing for the past year and a
half I guess you know what this makes him... Hmmm... A Hippopotamus,
right :)~
Taddle tail - taddle tail... ROLFLMAO!!!
Tried to get me shut down for speaking my mind, he did. Nothing to do
with animals at all - Like I said in a post not long ago - it's Mr' P's
attack on free speech - he wants to be the only one left talk'n.
Well my ISP dude thought that you were a lunatic fanatic duffus... heheh
so we had a nice little talk about the sickos that frequent the web. And
he reactivated my account. Nice try though - for a moron.
Anyway - as I've mentioned no full names here this post cannot be used
as evidence against me in a court of law. Which is where we'll be
meeting if you try slander and defamation of character one more time pet
killer! I think we know who I'm taken to here. Get F..ked Mr. P!
AnimalSav
Subject: Re:venge for Mistaken Identity
Date: 14 Oct 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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SNIP
>The post I made prior about this - thing - I mean person, >must have
>stung a nerve because he emailed my ISP and complained >that I was harassing
him.
It's business, no nerves stung, but like I've said before regarding this kind
of thing, since the *intent* is libel and harassment, I took appropriate action
to express my opinions directly to cvc.net
>Well my ISP dude thought that you were a lunatic fanatic >duffus... heheh
I'll bet, must be a good friend of yours, or even you, that's okay, thanks for
letting me know ;)
We'll see how his uplinks view the situation, that was the next step and I
included my previous complaint and your post here showing you rec'd it, and
that cvc.net has not acted. Logically the next step is contacting their uplink
directly and see if they would like to look into the matter.
If you wish I can phone them as well to settle the matter, which ever is more
convienient.
>Anyway - as I've mentioned no full names here this post >cannot be used as
evidence against me in a court of law.
You might like to contact an attorney for more information on that.
>Which is where we'll be
>meeting if you try slander and defamation of character one >more time pet
>killer! I think we know who I'm taken to here. Get F..ked Mr. P!
--
Good luck, have your attorney give me a shout if you feel it's slander to point
out your currently operating mesage forum on egroups with you all over it, and
your page with the "mistaken identity" zoo file on it that you advertised this
week currently.
Thanks for participating.
Mike
ASAIRS Administrator