letting a lovebird fly
Joanie
clipped them for about 5 months so he is learning how to fly. Quite
comical. Could this me making him nastier. Today he flew over to me
bit me and flew back to his cage. Should we cut his wings again? Will
this tame him down? or does it matter that much?
Joanie
Donna Carter
them more dependent on you to get around and they realize that. I let my
conure's wings grow in every so often, and after awhile of free flight he
gets aggressive. I clip him and he's better. Could be the ordeal of
clipping itself - towelling, restraint and the cutting - showing my
dominance. He gets better, that's all I know.
Is he a peachie or a masked? In my own limited experience, I found maskeds
to be more bitey than peachies. My little blue masked female would be
perched on my finger and as we got closer to her cage, the harder she would
bite until you couldn't disconnect her. The people that gave her to me got
rid of her because she bit so much. Nothing to do with clipping there. She
was very territorial about her cage and nest. 5 feet or more away from her
cage and she'd give kisses and snuggle. My male normal masked on the other
hand was very sweet all the time.
oldmolly
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antisocial behavious. Just as ignoramuses tell you that castrating a dog
'calms them down' and stops all kinds of bad behavious.
In reality it might make them so depressed that they don't want to do
anything much. Lovebirds are notorious for getting nippy, whether c;lipped
or not.
Not one of my many many birds is clipped, and some bite, and some don't
depending on each particular bird.
I can walk into any of the aviaries and not get bitten, yet the little red
masked conure house pet, loves to chomp me. Nothing to do with wings.
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> Clipping usually helps curb agressive behaviour. Theory being - it makes
> them more dependent on you to get around and they realize that. I let my
> conure's wings grow in every so often, and after awhile of free flight he
> gets aggressive. I clip him and he's better. Could be the ordeal of
> clipping itself - towelling, restraint and the cutting - showing my
> dominance. He gets better, that's all I know.
Arrrgh!!!<hitting head on desk>
There is no such *thing* as dominance in bird language. This theory was
disproved ages ago.
>
> Is he a peachie or a masked? In my own limited experience, I found
maskeds
> to be more bitey than peachies. My little blue masked female would be
> perched on my finger and as we got closer to her cage, the harder she
would
> bite until you couldn't disconnect her.
So she still bit even though she was clipped??
Kinda disproves your theory doesn't it?
>The people that gave her to me got
> rid of her because she bit so much. Nothing to do with clipping there.
You have changed your tune now.
Joanie
He is a lutino peach face, about 3 years old and lately a biter. He
can be so sweet one minute and the next he has bit me. No matter
where we are in the house. I scolled him like he was a dog then he
pouts for while and won't have anything to do with me. Talk about
independent.
thanks for the information. Joanie
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Joanie
I wish you lived close to me I think I would camp at your doorstep to
pick your brain on birds all the time. Maybe you are lucky that you
don't live near me.LOL
Joanie
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>
> "Donna Carter" <dawn...@mo-net.com> wrote in message
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> > Clipping usually helps curb agressive behaviour. Theory being - it makes
> > them more dependent on you to get around and they realize that. I let my
> > conure's wings grow in every so often, and after awhile of free flight
he
> > gets aggressive. I clip him and he's better. Could be the ordeal of
> > clipping itself - towelling, restraint and the cutting - showing my
> > dominance. He gets better, that's all I know.
>
> Arrrgh!!!<hitting head on desk>
> There is no such *thing* as dominance in bird language. This theory was
> disproved ages ago.
OTOH _people_ do like to be dominant :-) Clipping a lovebird to make it
dependent is terrible. How anyone who's seen the wonderful way they do
aerial acrobatics could clip its wings is beyond me. Can they imagine what
it does to a lovebird to cripple it like that?
> > Is he a peachie or a masked? In my own limited experience, I found
> maskeds
> > to be more bitey than peachies. My little blue masked female would be
> > perched on my finger and as we got closer to her cage, the harder she
> would
> > bite until you couldn't disconnect her.
>
>
> So she still bit even though she was clipped??
> Kinda disproves your theory doesn't it?
It doesn't even sound as if the lovebird was really biting. It was just
using its beak to get a grip. If a lovebird actually wanted to bite then
there would be chunks of missing flesh :-)
> >The people that gave her to me got
> > rid of her because she bit so much. Nothing to do with clipping there.
>
> You have changed your tune now.
Alan
Alan Williams
> He is a lutino peach face, about 3 years old and lately a biter. He
> can be so sweet one minute and the next he has bit me.
Are you sure he's "biting"? A lovebird can do some serious damage if it
wants to bite someone. If he's just nipping you, then he could be trying to
warn you of what he thinks is a danger or just getting you to back off a
little. Next time he does it check that there isn't something that suddenly
moved or that a protective lovebird could regard as a threat.
They also sometimes beak fence with their mates. Have you noticed if he
does a "face on" bite or a sideways movement of his head that ends in a
bite?
> No matter
> where we are in the house. I scolled him like he was a dog then he
> pouts for while and won't have anything to do with me.
It's weird how expressive their stance and looking can be :-) When they are
just sitting watching me there seems to be subtle differences so I can tell,
for example, they are thinking "what is the food idiot up to now". One of
the females is slow to make space when I'm putting in their food or bath and
will finally fly a small distance and then sit and look at me in utter
disdain :-) I'm just glad I'm not a male lovebird.
> Talk about
> independent.
> thanks for the information. Joanie
Alan
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Donna Carter
words "idiot" and an "ignoramous".
YOU are rude, ignorant and not very polite - you could use an Mrs. Manners
book.
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Donna Carter
personal experience. There's nothing cruel about wing clipping. Ask the
girl next door who's bird flew away when she took it outside, never to be
seen again. Ask the other people who's birds were on their cages, and the
people opened the door for just a second and no more bird. Ask the person
who's cocktiel flew into the hot frying pan and burnt its feet. Ask the
other person who bird broke its wing when it flew into the ceiling fan.
My husband (who Molly refers to as an idiot), took my macaw outside without
having its wings clipped. Placed him on the clothes pole while he did some
chores. I live on a farm surrounded by a couple hundred acres of woods.
You never saw a bird fly so good! I finally found him the next day in the 40
acres adjoining us. He was scared to death! He flew away because he was
scared.
Yes - they're beautiful when they fly free but their environment must be
closely controlled and monitored. My birds all have their playpens and play
areas. They all ride my shoulder or sit with me. If the theory is that it's
cruel to not let them fly then it follows that the birds shouldn't be in
cages at all for that's the ultimate cruelty - taking them out of their
natural environment.
Donna
BTW - all my male dogs are castrated and females spayed! If you lived on a
farm and saw how many people dump - you'd castrate also to keep down the
population. I came out here with 2 dogs and have had as many as 14 at one
time. I was fortunate to place many of them in homes.
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>
> > perched on my finger and as we got closer to her cage, the harder she
> would
> > bite until you couldn't disconnect her.
>
>
> So she still bit even though she was clipped??
WAS CLIPPED!
>The people that gave her to me got
> > rid of her because she bit so much. Nothing to do with clipping there.
>
> You have changed your tune now. NOT AT ALL - YOU JUST DIDN'T READ THE
POST CORRECTLY. THEY DIDN'T CLIP HER EITHER. OLD AGE CATCHING UP ON YOU. OR
YOU THINK "CONURE" AND "BLUE MASKED LOVEBIRDS" ARE THE SAME THING.
>
>
AND to whoever said "castrating" and "wingclipping" are analogous (sp?) -
the last I heard, balls don't grow back but feathers do. Unless you're
confusing wing "pinning" with wing "clipping". Pinning removes the last
joint of the wing, clipping cuts off flight feathers which eventually molt
out and grow back. I'd say pinning is like declawing.
Leyf
> I have been on this list a total of 3 weeks -- referred to my posts with
the
> words "idiot" and an "ignoramous".
>
> YOU are rude, ignorant and not very polite - you could use an Mrs. Manners
> book.
>
>
I'm not sure, however, since the attitude comes & goes. Maybe she's
egg-bound.... or maybe she has a sour crop...
oldmolly
> I have been on this list a total of 3 weeks -- referred to my posts with
the
> words "idiot" and an "ignoramous".
>
> YOU are rude, ignorant and not very polite - you could use an Mrs. Manners
> book.
And *you* could use a slap upside the head.
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> >
> > My little blue masked female would be
> > > perched on my finger and as we got closer to her cage, the harder she
> > would
> > > bite until you couldn't disconnect her.
> >
> >
> > So she still bit even though she was clipped??
> > Kinda disproves your theory doesn't it? WRONG - I NEVER SAID THIS BIRD
> WAS CLIPPED!
>
>
> >The people that gave her to me got
> > > rid of her because she bit so much. Nothing to do with clipping there.
> >
> > You have changed your tune now. NOT AT ALL - YOU JUST DIDN'T READ THE
> POST CORRECTLY. THEY DIDN'T CLIP HER EITHER. OLD AGE CATCHING UP ON YOU.
OR
> YOU THINK "CONURE" AND "BLUE MASKED LOVEBIRDS" ARE THE SAME THING.
> >
want to be rude would you??
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> oldmolly,
> I wish you lived close to me I think I would camp at your doorstep to
> pick your brain on birds all the time. Maybe you are lucky that you
> don't live near me.LOL
> Joanie
I wouldn't leave you on the doorstep. Of course I would ask you in. I am
not as nasty as some like to think. I have a short fuse (its the Irish in
me) and speak as I feel.
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> Well, old Molly can call me an ignoramous, but I was just relating my
> personal experience. There's nothing cruel about wing clipping. Ask the
> girl next door who's bird flew away when she took it outside, never to be
> seen again. Ask the other people who's birds were on their cages, and the
> people opened the door for just a second and no more bird. Ask the person
> who's cocktiel flew into the hot frying pan and burnt its feet. Ask the
> other person who bird broke its wing when it flew into the ceiling fan.
You are talking about stupid people who refuse to make their home bird
safe. This is not an impossible task as my own experience has shown.
None of mine is clipped, and none has managed to escape, burn itself or
anything else.
> My husband (who Molly refers to as an idiot), took my macaw outside
without
> having its wings clipped. Placed him on the clothes pole while he did
some
> chores.
And you still say your husband is not an idiot???????
Sandy
one nasty attitude. I guess you can tell we definately believe in clipping
here. :-)
If you had a sweet lovie who wasn't nasty and now that he/she has grown out
those wings, clip them back and see if the 'attitude' adjustment doesn't
help.
Sandy
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On the same vein, mine has become quite bitey in the last few weeks. When I
first got her, she was most content to sit in my hand, etc., but now upon
entering her cage she can, and often does, become very fisty and skittish.
Well I guess not skittish, just territorial. Hmmm. I haven't just let her
fly around as I'm not sure the house is as bird-friendly as it could be.
She is a climber anyway, and I may just let her climb outside the cage. But
tonight we went back to square one with millet in the hand. However, she
still wanted to attempt to nip a couple times. Yes, when she really gets a
good one, she's coming in from sideways. She's most territorial about her
feed dish, even though I use the same verbal pattern/ritual around her
feeding. I think she knows the twisty tie wires are on the outside of that
door to keep her from opening it.
Somewhat confused,
Dave
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Joanie
Went to the vet and we discussed all the trauma he had when he ate the
"bird safe toys" and landed in an incubator for a couple of days.
Everyone said he would not make it the first time and he did and then
he did it again on another toy and he made it back again. In fact the
vet called me and asked me to come and get him since he was telling
them how to neuter a cat.LOL He is still biting when he deems it
necessary and as sweet as can be when the mood strikes him. I think
this is just him and nothing is going to change him or he will know
the reason why! I am just going to have to let him decide when he
wants to be with me or just be left alone! His cage is 39" long 18"
deep and 28" high filled with toys. My husband says that if anything
I will spoil him to death.
Joanie
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