Is this what happens in mating season?

[Fiona]

Hi

Firstly thanks to everyone who gave me advice on how to get Morse in
the bath. I've put some lettuce leaves in the bath and he's much more
curious now, so thanks.

Now I'm just wondering about some weird behaviour and if someone could
help explain it to me. I suspect this must be mating season, but
Morse is only 6 months old and I thought he'd be too young for this.

The first thing is he wakes me up at about 6am every morning calling
out to birds he can hear outside. His calls are SO LOUD, they're
ear-piercing, and I worry about what the neighbours think (I'm in an
apartment building and I'm not allowed pets - thought a budgie would
be ok, nice, clean and quiet, etc).

The second thing is that suddenly he's become much more playful,
spending much of his time outside the cage (when up until two weeks
ago you couldn't get him out of the cage at all). Now this new habit
I'm not complaining about - it's an absolute delight having him
outside of his cage, playing on his Olympic rings and chasing his
plastic jingle ball all over the floor.

BUT

Last night for the first time Morse was playing with his jingle ball
on the floor very strangely - wiggling his bottom to and fro very
quickly. It looked obscene, and then when he realised I was watching
him, he looked embarrassed. I can only assume one thing from this,
but is it related to the other two odd recent behaviours and has all
this got to do with mating season? Is six months not too young?

If this is mating behaviour, what other odd behaviours should I expect
from Morse during mating season?

And how can I stop the loud calling?

Thanks again for advice
Fiona

[oldmolly]

Budgies are loud. You cannot stop that, its' just what they do , all of
them. If you thought budgies were nice and quiet and clean you obviously
didn,t do your homework before you bought him. Secondly, he is not too young
to masterbate. It is *not* obscene, and he did not "look embarrassed"
because to him it is perfectly natural and normal and nothing to be
embarrased about.Don,t inflict your hang ups and human emotions on him.
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[Fiona S Wilkinson]

Did I say something out of line here? What's with the patronising tone?
I'm just trying to get more information about my budgie. I did do my
homework before I bought him, I was aware of the usual noise and cleanliness
level and he is USUALLY not this loud. Yes he, talks, chirps, screeches and
makes some sort of noise most of the time while he's awake, but not so
ear-piercingly loud that you can't be in the same room as him.

And the embarrassment is admittedly my interpretation of a look he gives me,
the same look as when he does a fabulous stunt and then falls over and lands
on the floor. It might not be embarrassment but that's what it said to me.

Sorry but I'm not putting up with this patronising. I'm not a child and
will now go and seek my info elsewhere.

Thanks oldmolly.

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[Paul Harris]

> because to him it is perfectly natural and normal and nothing to be
> embarrased about.Don,t inflict your hang ups and human emotions on him.

Anthropomorphizing :-)

I was also curious about this.
My fist two budgies, Bonnie and Clyde were both male, but only Bonnie
seemed to do it, Clyde never copied.
At the time I thought he was female, as he was much more delicate than
Clyde,
and his cere was not the really deep blue that Clyde's was.

Now, I'm sure (I think) I have 3 females and a male, but one of the females
does what Bonnie used to.

Far from being embarrased, Bonnie was a bit like a leg-clamping dog, and
having guests
seemed to encourage her, sorry him, (I still think of him as her) to
perform.

It was quite amusing, he'd get more and more into it, and often fall off of
the perch he was using :-)

As an aside, it does serve a purpose. Although there are less sperm the next
time mating occurs, they are much more vigourous and more likely to
fertilize and egg, as if mastubating is to clear out the older sperm.

In fairness to Fiona, it's not something I saw in any books, although I'm
sure (now) most
of the people on he list who've had birds for a while will have seen it.

r
P

[Seahag]

"Fiona" <fwilk...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Last night for the first time Morse was playing with his jingle ball
> on the floor very strangely - wiggling his bottom to and fro very
> quickly. It looked obscene, and then when he realised I was watching
> him, he looked embarrassed. I can only assume one thing from this,
> but is it related to the other two odd recent behaviours and has all
> this got to do with mating season? Is six months not too young?
>
> If this is mating behaviour, what other odd behaviours should I expect
> from Morse during mating season?
>
> And how can I stop the loud calling?

My bird, Peep, went through that a couple months ago. it was funny as
all get out! He'd get one or both feet up on his 'Beloved', a rope toy,
and wiggle his little thing like crazy on the perch. It got to the
point where I thought he was going to wear IT out so I moved the perch a
little lower so things weren't so conveniently lined up for him:^) It
seemed to calm things down a lot.

I didn't notice him being particularly loud, but I've only had him since
August, so what do I know?

Peep gets loud when he wants attention, but I've made an effort to not
encourage that behavior. When he sings we talk to him, but when he gets
all excited and loud we ignore him. It seems to be working!

I wish I had some links for you, but my computer crashed last month and
I lost them, maybe if you wait long enough some of the 'experts' here
will post a couple...

Seahag

[Kyle H. Davis]

Oldmolly,

I sorta' have to agree here. It's one thing for someone to be doing
something that is harmful to their budgie (unbeknownst to them), but when
someone is asking a question it is because they don't know, a little
understanding is required. Your reply was reminiscent of that "Jack" moron
I put in my kill filter months ago.

And, the one thing I have learned in my very few months of owning Buddy...
you CAN tell when he is: Confused, scared, happy, hungry, tired, playful,
sorry, agitated, horny.... if this is the case, I am POSITIVE you can tell
when your individual budgie is embarrassed. All I know, is if I was found
masturbating in the middle of my living room floor.... I might have a look
of embarrassment on my face as well.

Why just last week.. I caught buddy locked in the cage with a copy of this,
and he was quite embarrassed:

http://home.att.net/~k.h.davis/buddy/birdporn.jpg

--
Kyle H. Davis
Michigan, USA.

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[oldmolly]

if I was found
> masturbating in the middle of my living room floor.... I might have a look
> of embarrassment on my face as well.

But you are a human, and the budgie is a bird. Human morals and emotions are
not necessarily the same as human ones and I don,t believe it is right for
humans to anthropomorphise. A bird is a bird. Masturbation is normal and
natural, not dirty or rude and it would have no concept of feeling
embarrassed about it.

[oldmolly]

no point putting links cos she has gone off in a huff. She could always do a
google search for 'budgie sexual behavior' or similar. I think that might be
classed as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
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[Seahag]

"oldmolly" <oldm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> no point putting links cos she has gone off in a huff. She could
always do a
> google search for 'budgie sexual behavior' or similar. I think that
might be
> classed as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

True, but other people might be interested as well. I spend way too
much time online as it is so it would be nice if knowledgeable people
put various links up. At this point I wouldn't know good advice from
bad, hardly!

Seahag

[Kyle H. Davis]

You really missed the point.

I understand what you are saying... however... people will do this, and it's
in no way harmful to the bird... only to you spirit. So how about answering
someone's questions, getting over your inane worries about people comparing
their birds to humans, and being a little nicer in expressing YOUR opinions
and feelings. Next time you see two dogs going at it.... do me a favor and
walk up and stair at them, let them know you are, and let me know if they
act any differently.

Sexuality is natural for any species, however, it's usually not something
they share with every other animals in their or other species.

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Kyle H. Davis
Michigan, USA

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[oldmolly]

. Next time you see two dogs going at it.... do me a favor and
> walk up and stair at them, let them know you are, and let me know if they
> act any differently.

Do you try to be stupid or does it come naturally?? We are talking about
birds *not* dogs. Dog behaviour is totally different to bird behaviour. Dogs
are predators, higher mammals. Birds are prey species, and avian species.
Normal behaviour for a dog is not normal behavior for a bird. Now if you
don,t like the way I say things, or the advice I give is not to your
likeing, use your killfile.

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[Joseph Wind]

Fiona,

I'm not sure what happen in this thread. It sort went off-topic, something
to do with masturbation and dogs.

Anyways, to answer your question about to stop you budgie from calling out
loud. You can't do very much, it's all in the nature of the budgie, though
some are more quieter than other, but they tend to be a bit docile. They
are some things to keep them from getting too noisy. Leave a radio on near
the cage, not too loud but just enough to keep your budgie busy. Cover the
cage with a cloth or sheet, especially at night. Budgies don't make that
much noise once the sun goes down, but they are early risers.

Cheers!

JW

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