Will siblings breed ?
Therese Raudøy
I just wonder. When the hamster babies is 3 weeks old, its time to seperate
them. Males and Females. What will happen if a brother and sister live
toghter ? Will they breed ?! And will mother and son breed if they live
toghether ?!
Tnx.
Therese.
I. C. Koets
Yes, they wil. Prolifically. If not now, then later.
I.C. Koets
Samm Turner
from, where they keep all littermates together, you buy one and end up with
a whole litter of babies. Also, if they are Syrians they shouldn't be
housed together, they will fight to the death.
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David G. Imber
->Don't this produce in-breeding problems?
When it occurs randomly anything can happen, and a lot of it is
bad. However, professional breeders do breed siblings and it is actually
beneficial to the line. It allows the conscientious breeder to remove
unwanted genetic characteristics from the line and strengthen those that
contribute to its vitality.
Inbreeding is really very important when handled appropriately.
DGI
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Samm Turner
that's what would happen, they don't care whether they're related or not!!!!
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> Don't this produce in-breeding problems?
>
Samm Turner
I agree David!
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Brian Henderson
wrote:
>Don't this produce in-breeding problems?
Actually, limited line breeding is beneficial to the breeders as it
locks in wanted traits. However, too much of a good thing can reduce
the gene pool to the point where negative genes are expressed more
often, as there isn't enough good gene material to filter it out.
-Brian
Therese Raudøy
So if i in time breed brother and sister, will the babies be healthy ?! Or
will they be some what sick because of their relationship.. ?
Therese.
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catherine.feary
They have strange looking very long tufts of hair in different places, some
of which is grey.....
Other than that........ they are fine, no health problems encountered.
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Samm Turner
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edswan
away to good homes). The siblings' mom was a teeny tiny, tan colored,
dark red eyed Campbell dwarf we named Peanut. We know nothing of the
siblings' dad, as Peanut arrived pregnant already, but since both the
children are bigger than Peanut and one was a much paler color, I'm
assuming the father was bigger and paler.
Of the 5 surviving pups of the 8 in the litter, all but one have the
same coloring as their mom and grandma. The 5th is all white. I figure
that Peanut must have passed on the trait for albinism to both her
children, who then passed it on to one of their pups.
Kathy
Phil
>
> I have given away one male to my sister, and i have kept one female
> myself. So if i in time breed brother and sister, will the babies be
> healthy ?! Or will they be some what sick because of their > relationship.. ?
In general terms in-breeding of any animal is a bad idea. Basically, it
amplifies any genetic weakness and can produce very unhealthy off
spring. While this will not happen in every case, I would urge you to
think of the possible consequences and not breed from siblings.
Phil
Peace, Bread, Land
Brian Henderson
<trau...@online.no> wrote:
>I have given away one male to my sister, and i have kept one female myself.
>So if i in time breed brother and sister, will the babies be healthy ?! Or
>will they be some what sick because of their relationship.. ?
Depending on their genetic backgrounds, chances are slim that any bad
traits will be expressed. Just don't keep breeding offspring to
parent again and again and you shouldn't have many problems.
-Brian
*Little Miss Sunshine*
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Brian Henderson
<little_mis...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote:
>don't you feel uncomfortable breeding siblings?!
No, why?
-Brian
Therese Raudøy
in theire nature.
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Catrina Shaw
question: do animals know when another animal is one of their siblings?
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Judy Trummer
and three males?, shouldn't they *all* be amazingly inbred?
edswan (eds...@erols.com) wrote:
: We kept 3 from the litter born from a sibling pair (others were given
: away to good homes). The siblings' mom was a teeny tiny, tan colored,
: dark red eyed Campbell dwarf we named Peanut. We know nothing of the
: siblings' dad, as Peanut arrived pregnant already, but since both the
: children are bigger than Peanut and one was a much paler color, I'm
: assuming the father was bigger and paler.
: Of the 5 surviving pups of the 8 in the litter, all but one have the
: same coloring as their mom and grandma. The 5th is all white. I figure
: that Peanut must have passed on the trait for albinism to both her
: children, who then passed it on to one of their pups.
: Kathy
: Therese Raudøy <trau...@online.no> wrote in message
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: > I have given away one male to my sister, and i have kept one female
: myself.
: > So if i in time breed brother and sister, will the babies be healthy
: ?! Or
: > will they be some what sick because of their relationship.. ?
: >
: > Therese.
Andy
Judy Trummer <ki...@earth.execpc.com> wrote in message
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> Since all Syrians in captivity are descended from, what was it, one female
> and three males?, shouldn't they *all* be amazingly inbred?
>
I read that all Syrians originated from a mother and her 9 babies that were
found in Syria quite some years ago.
Andy
Phil
>
> No, i dont. Since most animals will breed with siblings in the
> wild...! Its in theire nature.
I disagree with that. In most social animals young adult males leave the
family group and join other groups, this helps prevent inbreeding.
Breeding from siblings is a very bad idea as it increases genetic
weaknesses and can lead to serious mutation.
Phil
Peace, Bread, Land
Brian Henderson
<catri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>really? i didn't know that they bred with siblings.
>question: do animals know when another animal is one of their siblings?
They neither know, nor care.
-Brian
Brian Henderson
>Breeding from siblings is a very bad idea as it increases genetic
>weaknesses and can lead to serious mutation.
In animal breeding, linebreeding is typically a positive thing, it
locks in characteristics that the breeder is looking for.
Anything to excess can lead to problems, but this is true of anything.
-Brian
Brian Henderson
<infiltr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I read that all Syrians originated from a mother and her 9 babies that were
>found in Syria quite some years ago.
They were, but most of the babies died before breeding. Ultimately
every Syrian on the planet (they are extinct in the wild) came from
that initial population, but genetic drift and mutation over the
decades has made for a viable gene pool.
-Brian
LTaprantzi
>every Syrian on the planet (they are extinct in the wild) came from
>that initial population,
I wasn't sure that extinction was definite.
Certainly the Syrians in captivity came from that initial population.
Samm Turner
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Brian Henderson <cep...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:55:27 +0100, "Andy"
> <infiltr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I read that all Syrians originated from a mother and her 9 babies that
were
> >found in Syria quite some years ago.
>
> They were, but most of the babies died before breeding. Ultimately
> every Syrian on the planet (they are extinct in the wild) came from
Phil
>
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:11:53 +0100, Phil <no-...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >Breeding from siblings is a very bad idea as it increases genetic
> >weaknesses and can lead to serious mutation.
>
> In animal breeding, linebreeding is typically a positive thing, it
> locks in characteristics that the breeder is looking for.
So, you reckon it is Ok to breed an animal that will be unhealthy and
have an unusually short lifespan just to get whatever characteristic you
fancy?
Phil
Peace, Bread, Land
Serafina
Hi,
This is indeed a serious problem with hamsters today. A lot of them are inbred
to get a certain fur patern or type of fur. Thus nowadays in petshops you find
hamsters which look different (and of course it depends on your own taste if
you like it) but have the tendency to get strange illnesses and/or develop
cancer in no time (which is a typical sign of degeneration).
I think that's too bad, because I really prefer a hamster which is average in
size and fur and lives up to be 4 years instead of a hamster which dies after
2 years.
The problem is that people prefer them the way they are now. Hamsters with
strange paterns sell more than the plain golden ones and thus are worth more.
This is not only a hamster problem. A friend of mine has inherited 2 persian
cats (angora) and is spending fortunes on dentists. It seems that the mouth of
the cat is crooked and this is causing a lot of dental problems. This seems to
be normal among this type of cats, because it is an effect of trying to get
the noses as flat as possible. This is considered a sign of beauty.
Outrageous!
On the other hand, I have a hamster which is black with a white band and it
seems to be in perfect condition. So I guess it is possible to breed healthy,
non-golden-coloured hamsters.
Just my two cents,
Bye,
Serafina
Brian Henderson
<Samm....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>What about other breeds of hamster?
Dwarfs of all types still exist in the wild as far as I know.
-Brian
Brian Henderson
>Brian Henderson wrote:
>> In animal breeding, linebreeding is typically a positive thing, it
>> locks in characteristics that the breeder is looking for.
>So, you reckon it is Ok to breed an animal that will be unhealthy and
>have an unusually short lifespan just to get whatever characteristic you
>fancy?
If you're talking about chronic inbreeding, obviously not, but
breeding to lock in traits is absolutely acceptable as any responsible
breeder knows.
Or are you not one of those?
-Brian
Kenneth
> >every Syrian on the planet (they are extinct in the wild) came from
> >that initial population,
>
>
> Certainly the Syrians in captivity came from that initial population.
1) Are Syrians extinct in the wild?
I would say certainly not. Every time a group of scientists have gone
looking for Syrians, they've returned with live animals. So how can it be
extinct? I have read books claiming them to be though, but I believe that
thought comes from the idea that all hamsters today originate from a single
litter caught in 1930. But they have in fact been found since, and I'm sure
that if more expeditions were carried out in the area they will be found to
be rather common there. Problem is that no such expeditions are carried out,
maybe because of the political problems of the area.
2) Do all Syrians originate from a single litter?
This is now a truth with modifications. Because during the 1970's and 1980's
Syrians have been found on at least four separate occasions. But these have
principally gone to universities and have thus not contributed to the gene
pool of fancy hamsters.
Kenneth