Need advice
Fezetorial
if he had cancer which he thankfully does not, but it looks like he does have
Helicobacter. He was prescribed Biaxin, Chloramphenicol, Metronidazole, and
Prilosec. The Prilosec is supposed to be given with food, but since the only
food he eats is dry kibble the only thing I could think of was mixing it with
Ferretvite or Kittymalt. I did try watering down his food and making a gravy of
sorts, but it's too darn hard trying to fit those tiny granules into a syringe.
Hopefully this is ok but I fear overdoing it on the Ferretvite.
As far as the other 3 medicines, I was told it was ok to give them all at the
same time but I'm having lots of trouble. PJ simply HATES everything I give
him. I'm pretty sure I'm scruffing him right as in the past he would just
instantly relax, but now he'll flail his arms, jerk his body and do anything he
can to get away. Often half the meds will end all over his body and me cos its
so hard to get him to stay still. I feel so horrible and I fear I'm making his
ulcer worse as this surely must be stressing him out. I'm also afraid itll get
to the point where he'll simply fear me picking him up. I'd appreciate any
comments or suggestions on how to give these meds without stressing him. Also
any suggestions on whether to give the meds all at once or to spread them out a
bit. I know I only use this forum pretty much to ask questions, but I am always
extremely appreciative of all that answer.
Thanks,
Tom
ZPL
on their stomach when they take it." Is he eating? Will he lap up the
water from food soaking? Does the think babyfood is food?
"Fezetorial" <fezet...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oldmolly
to see
> if he had cancer which he thankfully does not, but it looks like he does
have
> Helicobacter. He was prescribed Biaxin, Chloramphenicol, Metronidazole,
and
> Prilosec. The Prilosec is supposed to be given with food, but since the
only
> food he eats is dry kibble the only thing I could think of was mixing it
with
> Ferretvite or Kittymalt.
This proves the value of making sure your ferret gets variety in his food.
Have you tried full fat yogurt cooked chicken livers, full cream etc? He
might take the meds if it was in something like that.
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"Fezetorial" wrote:
***snip***
> I'd appreciate any
> comments or suggestions on how to give these meds without stressing him.
Also
> any suggestions on whether to give the meds all at once or to spread them
out a
> bit. I know I only use this forum pretty much to ask questions, but I am
always
> extremely appreciative of all that answer.
I always mix chicken baby food in with meds for my girls. I made sure that
Sunshine and Gator imprinted on it as kits, so they recognize it as food.
Ipo and Niho came to me as adults- Ipo will eat it, but Niho isn't quite
convinced that it's not poisonous. (I occasionally give them some just to
make sure they remember it, so they will not balk at me when they are sick
and need it) If yours doesn't know that chicken baby food is food, you
might put a drop of ferretone or ferretvite on it to help out. Usually,
once they taste the baby food, they like it.
Another thing you might try is forgetting about the syringe. Mine hate
those things! One of mine will lick stuff up right from a saucer with no
help, one of them refuses to do anything but lick the stuff from my
fingertips, and another one will gladly lick from a teaspoon. None of them
will cooperate with a syringe feeding, it's very stressful for all of us.
I hope that you and PJ can find a happy medium, and I hope that he gets
better fast! Keep us posted!
B. Smith and her finicky foursome :-)
Sunshine, Gator, Ipo, and Niho :-)
ZPL
dairy to be used to it. Nothing worse than an upset tummy from dairy on top
of medicine and the ulcer to begin with.
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Fezetorial
mixed on top, but I still had to end up using the syringe at first. After a few
seconds he stopped resisting and did lick it off so hopefully hes starting to
like it. I dont think I should try heavy cream as I'm pretty sure he's lactose
intolerant.
Unfortunately feeding is the least of my problems right now. Just spoke to the
vet and it turns out he has lymphoma afterall. They didnt see it initially but
it showed up in some biopsys. Apparently its in his stomach which is why hes
having a hard time eating anything without coughing it back up. So I'm going to
make another long trek down to the city to start chemo tomorrow. Wish me luck.
I love these guys, but after losing my other one last month to adrenal (he was
only 4) I'm beginning to think its way too stressful and heartbreaking for me
to own more in the future. These guys live way too short a life.
ZPL
lymphoma, and they originally thought it was helicobacter too. I did not
have access to a vet that had used chemo.
Give the little guy anything he wants!
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Isotope
administering meds :o( Poor thing... can't blame him for not wanting
medicine. Sorry.. no help!
Isotope
"Fezetorial" <fezet...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Melissa
I read your update below as well and I'm really sorry about the
prognosis. Good luck with the chemo. In the meantime I DO have some
suggestions for below:
In article <20030729124533...@mb-m21.aol.com>,
fezet...@aol.com (Fezetorial) wrote:
> Helicobacter. He was prescribed Biaxin,
This doesn't taste great but isn't too bad.
> Chloramphenicol,
I don't know what that tastes like.
> Metronidazole,
This is the WORST. This is your biggest problem with the meds. Trust me.
> and Prilosec.
I had to give one that once as well and can't remember what it was like.
> The Prilosec is supposed to be given with food, but since the only
> food he eats is dry kibble the only thing I could think of was mixing it with
> Ferretvite or Kittymalt. I did try watering down his food and making a gravy
> of
> sorts, but it's too darn hard trying to fit those tiny granules into a
> syringe.
> Hopefully this is ok but I fear overdoing it on the Ferretvite.
As someone else already posted, this means make sure he has food in his
stomach, not that it has to be mixed with food.
Suggestions:
First, hand feed him some kibble. Once he has eaten 10 kibbles or more
you should be able to give him meds.
You said in your other post that you had to take him into the city for
the chemo. Is that AMC in NYC? If so, I know this will cost you more but
I have a suggestion. There are two pharmacies in NYC that flavor meds
for pets.
Bigelow Pharmacy
414 Avenue of the Americas
(6th Avenue Btwn 8th & 9th streets)
New York, NY 10011
Phone: (212) 473-7324
Phone: (212) 533-2700
Apthorp Pharmacy
2201 Broadway (at 78th Street)
New York NY 10024
Phone: (212) 877-3480
If you brought them the prescriptions (your vet can call them in or give
you a paper Rx), they might even be able to mix them all together
(though I doubt it). Regardless, for (I think?) an extra $10, they can
TOTALLY mask the medicine flavor. Especially for things like Flagyl
(metronidazole). Unfortunately, they won't flavor meds that were bought
elsewhere :o/
Tell them it's for a ferret. They have a list of flavors that each type
of animal likes best. I believe the #1 ferret flavor is "Tutti Frutti".
:) If that doesn't work there are more. If anybody tries to talk you
into fish or chicken flavor leave. Those people will not be used to
flavoring meds for ferrets and will just be guessing. The pharmacies
that *really* do this will start with Tutti Frutti and other sweet
flavors for ferrets and go from there.
If you're not in the NYC you might be able to find other pharmacies near
you that do this. I don't know the name of the company that makes the
pet flavorings but if you could find out that info (maybe by calling one
of the two NYC pharmacies) they might be able to tell you which pharmacy
near you uses their products.
BEFORE you do this though (because it will be more money), you might
want to try frozen grape juice concentrate. Pull up a little of it
straight in a syringe. Full strength. Put your meds in the other
syringes. Wipe off each med syringe after pulling up the med so they're
totally clean on the outside. Line them all up on a plate. Give your
ferret a little grape juice concentrate. Grab a Med syringe. Try to aim
it towards the back of the tongue (not straight down and not choking
him, but try *not* to get the med in the center of his tongue),
IMMEDIATELY grab the grape juice syringe and follow it w/ some grape
juice concentrate. Even if he's fussing, squirt some in there. He'll
think there's something horrible coming in again, but if he tastes the
grape he should calm down and let you give him a bit more. Once he's
calmed down, repeat for the remaining meds. You might want to experiment
with doing the Metronidazle as your first med (so you get it over with
and the rest are easier) or the last med (if he fights everything after
the Metronidazole and the rest become more difficult to give as a
result.)
Try the grape juice concentrate before the pharmacies. Don't overdo it.
Maybe .10 or .20 of a cc in between each med syringe. Just enough to get
the taste out of his mouth. Make sure you DO get the grape taste on the
center of his tongue if you can. You *want* him to taste this.
If this doesn't work, seriously consider spending the money to have the
meds re-done at a pharmacy that flavors meds for pets. AND if for some
reason the pharmacy flavor didn't mask it enough, you can bring it back
and they'll add more flavoring for free until it's right. I suggest you
put a tiny drop on your finger of any med you'll be giving your ferret
(do it now before they're flavored and again after they're flavored if
you go that route) and get an idea of what your ferret will be tasting.
You'll know if it's masked well enough.
The rest of what you described below was very familiar to me. I also
wondered if the stress from giving meds might have been making them a
hundred times worse :o/
Give my suggestions a try. Let us know how things go.
-Melissa
swamp
>Thanks for the replies. I just tried some chicken baby food with ferretvite
>mixed on top, but I still had to end up using the syringe at first. After a few
>seconds he stopped resisting and did lick it off so hopefully hes starting to
>like it. I dont think I should try heavy cream as I'm pretty sure he's lactose
>intolerant.
Heavy cream (we call it whipping cream) has very little lactose in it.
You can give it to him if he likes it.
>Unfortunately feeding is the least of my problems right now. Just spoke to the
>vet and it turns out he has lymphoma afterall. They didnt see it initially but
>it showed up in some biopsys. Apparently its in his stomach which is why hes
>having a hard time eating anything without coughing it back up. So I'm going to
>make another long trek down to the city to start chemo tomorrow. Wish me luck.
>I love these guys, but after losing my other one last month to adrenal (he was
>only 4) I'm beginning to think its way too stressful and heartbreaking for me
>to own more in the future. These guys live way too short a life.
Man, that's some tough luck. Sorry to hear about it. Adrenalomas, if
caught early, have a prognosis of 18-24 months following surgery. At
what age was he diagnosed w/ adrenal disease? I'm curious because you
have access to a clinic that provides chemo for lympho, and I'd think
it would also have a cryo machine.
Domesticated ferrets can and do live longer on average. Currently my 3
are 9, 5, and 2 y/o, but I lost one at 2 (lympho), another at 2
(strangled herself), and another at 5 (complications from my failure
to spot adrenal-related dysuria in time), so they can go young as
well. Average lifespan is 6-8 years. You never know how long they'll
live, but you know they'll live a lot while they're around.
Don't give up just yet,
swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
Cap
it. It just happens to be very good at putting weight on ferrets that
need it. Unsalted butter does very well also. So once again you have
shown your ignorance, given bad advice, and quite obviously have no
clue of what you are talking about.
Now about that gaping hole.. no not the one that exists in your ferret
knowledge, the nasty one between your legs. I would be quite happy to
send Mike a 2x4 to keep him from falling in if he can manage to get it
up to put a shanking on your nasty ass. Maybe then you'll leave this
group alone.
I'm also going to be sure that every post you make will be followed by
this little ditty.
***WARNING!! The advice given by "CJ" or "Mike" <ior...@rogers.com> is
most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
How does that sound Claudia?
CJ the 'not-so-know-it-all' dipshit wrote:
>Hey Tom , not only yours , Ferrets ARE lactose intolerant ,
>NO dairy products in their diet , ever!
Fezetorial
>caught early, have a prognosis of 18-24 months following surgery. At
>what age was he diagnosed w/ adrenal disease?
He was about 3 1/2 when he was diagnosed. It originally was in the left and he
did fine, but symptoms appeared soon after and he needed surgery on the right
adrenal. The surgery looked to go fine as well but about a week later he passed
away.
Fezetorial
and I will get my future prescriptions flavored at one of the pharmacies you
mentioned if the grape juice trick doesnt work.
Thanks also to everyone else that posted advise and wished me luck. It's much
appreciated.
CJ
Why don't you take your head out of your ass and wise up. If you took the
time to investigate anything with half the time you spend alone in the
washroom on lonely nights, you might find that there is a wealth of
knowledge out there to learn.
Heavy cream indeed does contain lactose, at 3.2%, which to a little ferret
could be very harmful.
http://www.doitwithdairy.com/infolib/ingspecsheet/ingspec_cream.htm
Cream
Product Water Fat Protein Lactose Ash
Half-and-Half 80.2 11.5 3.1 4.5 0.7
Light Cream 74.0 18.3 2.9 4.2 0.6
Light Whipping Cream 62.9 30.5 2.5 3.6 0.5
Heavy Cream 57.3 36.8 2.2 3.2 0.5
Plastic Cream 18.2 80.0 0.7 1.0 0.1
Sour Cream Cultured 71.0 21.0 3.2 4.3 0.7
Butter (unsalted) 16 >80 0.85 0.06 2.11
Source: Chandan R. (1997) Dairy-Based Ingredients, Eagen Press, St. Paul,
Minn.
So tell me, idiot, have you poisoned your ferrets lately?
Look, Larkin, I have to ask what took you so long to get into the posts. Is
it your weekend out of jail, or did you have to take off your gimp uniform
and start playing with your computer again. I figured you must have been
really slow to respond because your brain is just catching up to the posts.
It's not your fault you're slow, you were probably dropped on your head a
few too many times when the local kids wanted to use you as the basketball.
I think your agression comes from when you were getting beat up behind the
school when the boys were deciding which of them you belonged to, or was
that in your Rangers Hazing?
I know you would probably have a 2x4 hanging around the house, so your
'rent-a-wife' of the night can ream your ass with it. I'm sure of that.
You speak from great experience; it shows.
As for your warning...I'm sure it's only the simple mind that will really
appreciate the humour in it. If you could get our names right, it may help
a little bit. You don't honestly believe that we use our real names in the
newsgroups, do you? Why would we do that? There are just too many freaks
out there...but I suppose you wouldn't really know that considering that you
seem to be one of the main ones in the newsgroups. One of the first to
attack people with your vulgar and simple personality, never anything
interesting to say (although I have learned some new words from your post
that I would not have otherwise known).
Now you figure that you are untouchable behind your little keyboard? If you
wish, I can forward a compilation of your posts to the Bay County Florida
Sherrifs Dept. to show them what kind of an obsessive and intimidating moron
you try to be. It doesn't work with me, but I'm sure you have a way of
scaring every sane person out of this group who come in and see your posts,
and I'm sure that they would be interested in the dribble that you post
where kids are sure to read it. I'm also sure that it will play well with
other complaints that they may have received about you.
Why don't you ask Karen to give you a little more attention. If you can't
get anymore viagra, maybe she could kick it up for you.
CJ
"Cap" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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Cap
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message news:<twJVa.2983$hOa...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
Cap
information you violated Rogers.com Terms Of Service. A complaint has
been forwarded to ab...@rogers.com along with all header information.
Stupid twat...
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message news:<twJVa.2983$hOa...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
Cap
time I'm out on the firing range with my friends on the BCSD they will
sternly admonish me. I'm just a dumb grunt and surely am in no
position to take on a highly educated, rich, bi-polar, sexually
frustrated, typically Canadian, and anally frustrated diva such as
yourself.
Oh no!!! Whatever will I do????????
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message news:<twJVa.2983$hOa...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
bullshit snipped:
Cap
a bi-polar sexually frustrated bimbo like yourself running rampant.
You Canuks are all screwed up. I feel bad for you, I really do.
Not...
******************************************************************************
****WARNING!! The advice given by "CJ" or "Mike" <ior...@rogers.com>
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
This from Her Highness
From: "CJ" <ior...@rogers.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic
Subject: Question!!!!
Message-ID: <hbxJa.168488$G_.7...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:33:49 GMT
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I've been suffering from panic attacks and anxiety for a while now ,
it
happened many years ago the first time when I was living a tormented
love
story that I had finally ended!!!! The main symptoms were heart
palpitations
(I thought I was going to die or to have a heart attack) and
tachycardia...!!! It came again occasionally in my life (I'm 30 years
old!!!) and now , since a couple of months I've been experiencing this
awful
feeling again....!!! A month ago I felt so bad that I asked my husband
to
take me to the emergency , they tested my blood (I don't know what
they
tested !!!)and they did a cardiogram ....!!! The doctor at the end
said that
everything was fine with my heart .......and he thought I just needed
to
relax a bit and prescribed some Ativan pills!!!! How would they know
if I
have a heart problem with a cardiogram that lasted 2 seconds????/
Also my sexual life is awful now , I'm afraid if that and my husband
sees me
so fragile that he's afraid to even touch me since he doesn't know
when or
if I feel at all!!!!!!
I know my posting is quite long ......!!!! I'm just obsessed by the
fear
that I might have heart problems , that depresses me alot and at the
same
time I don't want to go to doctors anymore.....!!!!
Thanks
Bill Leary
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> lactose in your heavy cream
As it turns out, she's right.
Whole milk shows as 4.8% average, heavy cream as 3.2%.
It seems there must be more to it than just the raw numbers.
We've all read, and some have experienced, the reactions to straight milk.
Yet heavy cream is recommended by many to help put weight on ferrets. I've
never given mine either, so I have no first hand knowledge. I assume that
those who've used heavy cream didn't observe lactose reactions or they'd
have said something.
Does the processing to convert milk to heavy cream do something to the
lactose to inhibit it's harmful effects?
- Bill
References:
http://www.doitwithdairy.com/infolib/ingspecsheet/ingspec_cream.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/stevecarper/percent.htm
CJ
Loser...report me all you want...we're still laughing about it. Your posts
are all archived for any problem you may attempt to create...so go ahead.
CJ
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CJ
As for the bipolar insults, I'm sure KG and others who are truly suffering
from this very serious an not something to joke about disorder. You should
really think about what you write and who you impact.
You seem to be the only "truly" mentally handicapped person in this group.
CJ
"Cap" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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CJ
The information about the lactose levels came from a US site listing US
ingredients, but I know us Canadians aren't as smart or self centred as most
of the American's that live in Florida frequenting the hacker news groups
and ferret groups from our little jail cell. Sorry Cap, we just can't all
be like you.....what a drag.
Since you're in jail during the week, why don't you take up some educational
reading and learn about real things instead of spanking to thoughts of your
boyfriend.
As for your little intelligent post below, I've told this group before (the
last time you posted it) that the person you are writing about happens to
use my computer from time to time. She is suffering from an emotional issue
that someone like yourself would never understand (jail makes you
desensitized to emotion).
Post it as much as you like, as I'm sure other people who may suffer from
anxiety will appreciate to know that they are not alone.
CJ
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CJ
I'm not sure if the process to convert it actually inhibits the effects, as
lactose is lactose. I've simply just avoided it, and when I want to try to
promote weight gain in my ferret if needed, I supply a high-fat content
food, such as egg yolk, ferretvit, and other lactose free products.
Dairy is dairy. When it doubt, simply avoid it for your ferrets.
CJ
"Bill Leary" <Bill_...@msn.com> wrote in message
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fred
>
You have those backward. Whole milk by fed law in th U.S. is 3.2% butter
fat. I spent ten years working in a dairy.
> We've all read, and some have experienced, the reactions to straight
> milk. Yet heavy cream is recommended by many to help put weight on
> ferrets. I've never given mine either, so I have no first hand
> knowledge. I assume that those who've used heavy cream didn't observe
> lactose reactions or they'd have said something.
>
> Does the processing to convert milk to heavy cream do something to the
> lactose to inhibit it's harmful effects?
>
Milk is not converted to any thing. Cream is one of many components in raw
milk. In the manufactur of 2%, 1%, skim etc. the cream is removed from raw
milk (about 4.3% average BF depending on the breed of cow it came from) to
reduce the BF content to the desired level, the left over cream is then
used to make butter, ice cream, whipping cream etc.
I also have never used heavy cream as a ferret food. I hear from almost
every source that it is very bad for them.
ZPL
didn't have a problem processing it until the very end. But, she had been
exposed to alot of milk and dairy, though. (Licking the oatmeal dish,
cheerios soaked in milk.)
Maybe it is just under the threshold of ferret lactose tolerance, maybe it
was the combination of the egg, maybe it was the fat that helped.
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ZPL
how I get through life (and have for the past 15 years).
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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Bill Leary
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> > Whole milk shows as 4.8% average, heavy cream as 3.2%.
>
> You have those backward. Whole milk by fed law in th U.S. is 3.2% butter
> fat. I spent ten years working in a dairy.
That's correct, but we're talking about lactose percentage. The only
connection I saw between fat percentage and lactose percentage is that as
the fat number goes down the lactose number goes up. Not really surprising,
I guess, but interesting.
Figures seem to differ somewhat. The second reference I gave shows the 4.8%
lactose I mentioned. Others I found showed similar numbers. For example
http://www.lactose.com.au/facts/howmuch (note Austrailia, geographical
difference, perhaps) shows 4.6% and
http://health.centreforce.com/health/lactose.html shows 4.9%.
My real question anyway was, since they're known to be intolerant of
lactose, why is it that one substance causes problems and another not only
doesn't seem to cause problems, but is a benefit.
Of course, it may just be levels that are the issue. I have a lactose
intolerant friend who never the less use cream in coffee. He can't drink
milk, but tells me that the amount he uses, how often, a couple of cups a
day, many hours apart, don't give him any trouble.
- Bill
Bill Leary
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> Used to use heavy cream with my insulinoma girl, mixed with egg yolks.
She
> didn't have a problem processing it until the very end.
Yes, that's the kind of success story I'm talking about. The animal was
sick, so I'm sure you were paying close attention. If there had been a
negative reaction it seems highly likely you'd have noticed.
> But, she had been exposed to alot of milk and dairy, though. (Licking
> the oatmeal dish, cheerios soaked in milk.)
I thought I'd read that you can't improve your tolerance. You basically
have a level you can or can't handle and that's it.
> Maybe it is just under the threshold of ferret lactose tolerance, maybe it
> was the combination of the egg, maybe it was the fat that helped.
Right. That's what I'm hoping someone can expand on here. You, and others,
have got empricial evidence that it works. I wonder if anyone has a
scientific explaination.
- Bill
Ilena Ayala
Heavy cream is and has been for years, recommended for putting weight on
ferrets, by owners and experienced ferret vets. In reasonable amounts.
Large amounts will give them the runs. So will large amounts of oil based
treats. How much is too mucn can vary by ferret. I've never had a problem
with my 1.3 pound ferret having up to a tablespoon of cream (or ice cream,
or coffee.) I don't know of other owners who had any problem with giving a
ferret a reasonable amount of cream to eat.
I invite others to share their experiences with feeding heavy cream or other
dairy products here.
-Ilena Ayala
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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KG
whipping cream. I've used it for sick ferrets for several years with
no increased problems of diarreah. Jean at Ferrets Unlimited
recommends using unsalted butter instead of cream It's 100% fat. I
also use Kitten Milk Replacer, KMR with sick ferrets. I buy powdered
and it keeps indefinately.
See if your ferrets have a reaction to heavy whipping cream while they
are healthy. Then you can determine if it is something you'd use in
the future.
Lots of people on this list reccmmend using Nutrical for sick ferrets.
Its almost all sugar. My exotics vet discourages it. His practice
does treat ferrets too.
Sometimes you need help vetting what is best for your own ferrets.
I've given advice to this list others disagree with. I can't remember
being called a name or a troll once, except when I was troll baiting.
As for CJ being right. She will never be happy unless she is right.
As cap has pointed out elsewhre she has given bad advice.
Look how much time she wastes on my troll baiting. She is always
*right*.
KG
"Bill Leary" <Bill_...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<tmPVa.12692$Vt6....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
B. Smith
"Ilena Ayala" wrote:
> Heavy cream is and has been for years, recommended for putting weight on
> ferrets, by owners and experienced ferret vets. In reasonable amounts.
> Large amounts will give them the runs. So will large amounts of oil based
> treats. How much is too mucn can vary by ferret. I've never had a
problem
> with my 1.3 pound ferret having up to a tablespoon of cream (or ice cream,
> or coffee.) I don't know of other owners who had any problem with giving
a
> ferret a reasonable amount of cream to eat.
>
> I invite others to share their experiences with feeding heavy cream or
other
> dairy products here.
OK then, I will :-). In my previous reply to the OP, I was going to
recommend trying a dab of ice cream, but deleted that line at the last
minute because I know there's some disagreement about dairy and ferrets, and
I didn't want to start something. Since you ask though....
I've given all of my ferrets small amounts of dairy products from time to
time with no obvious ill effects. Mine get a little bit of cream mixed with
other stuff (chicken baby food, egg yolk, and a bit of ferretone or
ferretvite) every few months or so. That's probably not frequently enough
to get them accustomed to dairy, but nonetheless, they don't ever get
diarrhea. I'd imagine that quantity has a lot to do with it, there's only
about two tablespoons of cream in the mixture, and it's shared between four
ferrets.
*disclaimer*
That's just my experience, YFMV, IANAV :-)
B. Smith and her frivolous foursome :-)
Sunshine, Gator, Ipo, and Niho :-)
Nanny
icecream itself. They never get much but they do get it, and have never had
any reaction to it (except for getting more and more fanatic about getting
it........)
Nanny
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Lin
"CJ" <ior...@rogers.com>
> Hey Tom , not only yours , Ferrets ARE lactose intolerant , NO dairy
> products in their diet , ever!
Tom - this woman is talking straight out of her ass.
Just about everyone on *this* planet gives heavy whipping cream (in small
amounts, mixed w/ stage 2 baby food, etc) to their ferrets, in order to get
some extra fat & calories in their diet when they're sick.
As for *her* planet, I don't know.
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
David Schmeck
on a fairly regular basis. Neither shows any ill effects although they
really don't get more than about 10-15 licks at a time and then only every
other week or so.
elaine
"Ilena Ayala" <il...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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Bill Leary
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> As for CJ being right. She will never be happy unless she is right.
I was commenting only on the one, specific point of whether heavy cream
contains, or did not contain, lactose.
- Bill
Bill Leary
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> icecream itself.
Ah, I'd forgotten about ice cream. Mine do get a few licks of ice cream
from time to time. Never observed any problems afterwards.
- Bill
ZPL
"David Schmeck" <dsch...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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Cap
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
This from Her Highness
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> "Fezetorial" <fezet...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Thanks for the replies. I just tried some chicken baby food with
> ferretvite
> > mixed on top, but I still had to end up using the syringe at first. After
> a few
> > seconds he stopped resisting and did lick it off so hopefully hes starting
> to
> > like it. I dont think I should try heavy cream as I'm pretty sure he's
> lactose
> > intolerant.
> Hey Tom , not only yours , Ferrets ARE lactose intolerant , NO dairy
> products in their diet , ever!
>
> >
> > Unfortunately feeding is the least of my problems right now. Just spoke to
> the
> > vet and it turns out he has lymphoma afterall. They didnt see it initially
> but
> > it showed up in some biopsys. Apparently its in his stomach which is why
> hes
> > having a hard time eating anything without coughing it back up. So I'm
> going to
> > make another long trek down to the city to start chemo tomorrow. Wish me
> luck.
> > I love these guys, but after losing my other one last month to adrenal (he
> was
> > only 4) I'm beginning to think its way too stressful and heartbreaking for
> me
>
> Lymphoma is very common in Ferrets , even at a young age , good luck with
> the chemo , but most cases unfortunately it's too late!It depends though ,
> I've seen very few Ferrets recover from it , but they did!
> Another way to get your Ferret to take the medicine is to try and mix it
> with raw egg , they usually love it and worked many times for me !
> Good luck
> CJ
> > to own more in the future. These guys live way too short a life.
Cap
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
This from Her Highness
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Cap
This from Her Highness
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Lin Ross
ya guy, but please don't be thinking that this CJ person is *typically
Canadian* lol we're not all that bad...actually, I should write to Ottawa
about seeing that her deportation is dealt with :-p
Keep up the good work guys...this is all quite...entertaining :-)
Lin
*slave to Poink, Bear, Cocoa Bean, Wizzer, Smokey, Panda, Dipstix, Buddy,
Puddin' and Puddin's evil offspring, Ash*
http://members.tripod.com/ferretopia/
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CJ
From: Lin (kt...@woh.rr.com)
Subject: New Here - Looking for Info
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Date: 2003-01-15 11:19:26 PST
Hi All:
Lin the Newbie here. I'm looking for info, advice, ideas, or even a FAQ to
look at, if there is one anywhere.
Here's the deal: Hubster & I have been undergoing treatment for infertility
for quite some time now, w/ no success (not even w/ donor eggs) :-(.......
So we're just in the very beginning stages of looking into adoption. I've
been spending a lot of time on the net, making phone calls, etc, & my head
is just swimming!! I'm sure you can relate......there's a lot of stuff out
there, & when you've never looked into it before, it's like, WHOA!!!!
I'm getting the impression, from what I've been told & what I've read, that
our best option is probably going to be an international adoption. There are
a TON of agencies listed on the net, of course, but they all seem to do
things a little differently.
What I am wondering about is, is it possible to do an international adoption
independantly? As in, is it possible to contact an orphanage (or whatever
the politically correct term is these days) yourself, get the home study &
US paperwork done yourself, make the trip, to the foreign paperwork & such
stuff w/ help from the orphanage, etc? If this *is* possible, where can I
get more info on how to go about it? Or does anyone here know? Right now,
I'm looking mainly at Russia/Belarus/Latvia etc.
FWIW, the hubster & I are both 46 - a *young* 46, in my opinion, as we're
both pretty active people, as well as educated & open-minded. Hubster is a
pharmacist, & while I'm no longer working, I've worked w/ kids all my life.
My degree is in Psych, & I used to work as a counselor at our local juvenile
detention center, until my childhood aspirations whacked me on the head
again, & I founded a Ballet studio, which I ran very successfully for 12
yrs. I have very mild MS, & the prolonged hrs of physical strain began to
eat at me, so I sold the studio, & it's now in it's 16th yr, still very
successful. I still help out in the kid's program at our local community
theatre group (mainly w/ dance), as does the hubster ("what I really want to
do is direct" - which he does). We're located in north central Ohio.
So there ya go - my intro, & my questions. Any advice, anyone?
Lin
To which people started to respond:
From: Jack Bernhard (jcber...@deletethisprodigy.net)
Subject: Re: New Here - Looking for Info
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Date: 2003-01-15 13:18:04 PST
"Lin" <kt...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All:
>
> Lin the Newbie here. I'm looking for info, advice, ideas, or even a FAQ to
> look at, if there is one anywhere.
Can't find the link to the unoffical FAQ. Where the hell is LisaBoo anyway?
>
> Here's the deal: Hubster & I have been undergoing treatment for
infertility
> for quite some time now, w/ no success (not even w/ donor eggs)
:-(.......
> So we're just in the very beginning stages of looking into adoption. I've
> been spending a lot of time on the net, making phone calls, etc, & my head
> is just swimming!! I'm sure you can relate......
Not really. I'm not into adopting.
there's a lot of stuff out
> there, & when you've never looked into it before, it's like, WHOA!!!!
"Like, WHOA?" Gawd!
>
> I'm getting the impression, from what I've been told & what I've read,
that
> our best option is probably going to be an international adoption.
Given your age, I'd guess that's damn near your only option.
There are
> a TON of agencies listed on the net, of course, but they all seem to do
> things a little differently.
>
> What I am wondering about is, is it possible to do an international
adoption
> independantly? As in, is it possible to contact an orphanage (or whatever
> the politically correct term is these days) yourself, get the home study &
> US paperwork done yourself, make the trip, to the foreign paperwork & such
> stuff w/ help from the orphanage, etc? If this *is* possible, where can I
> get more info on how to go about it? Or does anyone here know? Right now,
> I'm looking mainly at Russia/Belarus/Latvia etc.
I'm sure it's possible, but it's not something I'd recommend. There's a lot
of shysters out there.
>
> FWIW, the hubster & I are both 46
46 is a bit long in the tooth to think about starting a family, much less
calling your spouse "the hubster", doncha think? Look at it this way:
You're 46 now. Average scenario, you take possession of a kid in around 18
to 24 months. That is if you use a good agency. If you try to go at it
alone, you'll probably be out 15 to 20 grand in that timespan and you'll be
"like WHOA!!!" Anyway, I digress. So, you get your kid and you're 48 or
thereabouts. In 18 years, when the little Russian bastard graduates from
high school (assuming he hasn't been tossed into Juvie for arson) you'll be
66. Others will approach you and congratulate you on your grandchild
graduating. At this point, while you should be thinking about spending your
money on a nice doublewide in a retirement community in central Florida
you'll be contemplating sending your bastard off to college. Assuming,
you're still alive by the time he completes his 6 year bachelor degree
program he'll be wanting to move back in with you to "find himself."
On the other hand, it might not be a bad deal to have a live in caretaker in
your golden years.
- a *young* 46, in my opinion, as we're
> both pretty active people, as well as educated & open-minded.
Ya ever think about foster care? Might be a happy medium.
Hubster is a
> pharmacist, & while I'm no longer working, I've worked w/ kids all my
life.
> My degree is in Psych, & I used to work as a counselor at our local
juvenile
> detention center, until my childhood aspirations whacked me on the head
> again, & I founded a Ballet studio, which I ran very successfully for 12
> yrs. I have very mild MS, & the prolonged hrs of physical strain began to
> eat at me, so I sold the studio,
Lemme get this straight. You're too pooped to run a ballet studio but you
feel you have the necessary energy to raise a kid?
& it's now in it's 16th yr, still very
> successful. I still help out in the kid's program at our local community
> theatre group (mainly w/ dance), as does the hubster ("what I really want
to
> do is direct" - which he does). We're located in north central Ohio.
>
> So there ya go - my intro, & my questions. Any advice, anyone?
Get a puppy.
Jack
Message 17 in thread
From: fiend (rev...@aol.compromise)
Subject: Re: New Here - Looking for Info
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Date: 2003-01-15 18:07:45 PST
I'm both posting this reply and sending it by e-mail.
In a message dated Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:35:59 GMT, <kt...@woh.rr.com> writes:
>I thought this was an ng for people involved in adoption, not personal
>attack.
No, dear, you thought it was a newsgroup for *adoptive parents* and people
who
want to be adoptive parents. You forgot about a few others "involved in
adoption" -- birthparents and adoptees -- as your kind usually do.
The people who responded to you were adoptees. I suggest you go find
yourself a
forum where adoptees are forbidden to participate, since you have nothing to
learn from us.
Some psychologist you must have been. Good luck.
--------
And Lin ran away like a little scared chickie. How did you like it?
There's more if you wish, since you ran away so fast that you were unable to
see them all. Just ask, and I'll gladly cross post as others are now. Too
funny. I can send more if you want, or forward all the messages with all
your hysterical fits toward me to not only your precious adoption agency,
but also the Kazakhstan Embassy in NYC. I'm sure they'd be very interesed
in the mental stability and physical condition and verbal assaults you are
capable of. You can forget about the little Kristina which would be better
off with younger and nicer people than yourself. Or, you can choose to drop
it now....all of you.
Keep it Cap...I'm loving every second of it.
CJ
Nanny
Nanny
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> schreef in bericht
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CJ
suppose Canada had SARS (like other countries), and we had a case of Mad Cow
(like the UK), and West Nile did migrate up from the US, but that's not so
bad when you consider what the US has.
THEY HAVE YOU!!!! Hahahahaha! Now that's a fair trade!
Oh, incidentally, I came across a post from your little worshiper (sorry I
stole her woship from you) that you may find hilarious:
From: Kathy Gallagher (kat...@voyager.net)
Subject: Re: WHINGE Migraine
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Date: 2003-02-28 15:40:55 PST
I'm sorry things are so bad and your waiting list is so long.
I've been waiting a year to get the drugs right on a mood disorder. I've
had 4 wks where I felt almost normal. I don't go to parties cuz the stress
makes me come home and throw up. The last time I went to a concert I ended
up in the emergency room. I've taken on the odd consulting job and can't do
the paperwork cuz my concentration goes. I shake and scream at the top of
my lungs every damned day since Jan 2002. It pretty much sucks. Pain sucks
worse.
KG
-------
Since you think it funny to laugh at people with disorders, why don't you
start with the right one first. By the way Kathy, you probably don't have a
life because you are so damn hateful towards otherwise healthy young women.
I now know why you and Lin get along so well...you're both suffering inside
which is rotting any humanity you may have once had. Doubt it. Keep 'em
coming, I've got a ton of these...
Cap
anyone's AUP, but you are Claudia. Why don't you ask Debbie (Tracker),
how many accounts I've cost her over the years. Now, get ready to be
'bitch slapped' sweetie. It's a commin', and it's going to get all
over you. Probably the most, and best that you've had in a long time.
http://www.rogershelp.com/help/content/download/pdf/AUP.PDF
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Cap
you ready yet? Open wide!!
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swamp
I'm going go combine a few things because I promised not to twitch the
twit:
>Hey Tom , not only yours , Ferrets ARE lactose intolerant , NO dairy
>products in their diet , ever!
Ferrets are mammals, and there's lactose in all mammalian milk. If
ferrets were lactose "intolerant" there wouldn't be ferrets.
Bill, lactose is a simple sugar, and I doubt processing would change
its structure. In general, mammals produce less and less lactase after
they're weaned, but continue to if milk is part of their diet. They
can even start to produce it again if milk/dairy is reintroduced.
Tom, despite what CJ says you can try whipping cream as an aid in
administering medications. Might help things and won't hurt them a
bit.
Best of luck w/ the little one,
swamp
"Who, me officer? What's a ferut? These guys?? No, they're Polish cats."
CJ
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Your constant "warning" message is certainly similar in content and
violates the spam portion of your ISP.
Your Flames and hostile attacks are certainly outside of Knology's
AUP, so don't worry....you'll have your email from your ISP....
I've yet to hear from my ISP, and if/when I do, I'm not overly
concerned, since we have a complete archive of your posts to me and
other people in other groups (alt.hacker...etc....). Not a problem.
I'm also compiling the complaint to send to your buddies at the local
Sheriff's office. No problem...and it doesn't stop there. Don't
worry.
I think maybe you crossed keyboards with the wrong people this time
pal.
You stop....I stop. No problem.
ZPL
flames....
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Cap
an immoderate group, and these articles are posted through Google, not
Supernews, nor my ISP. The only thing that originates there is my IP.
I'll take my chances, and thank you for another post with my addy.
I've already fired that one off to Rogers as well. You think you're
the first person to fire a shot across my bow? Skankbags like you have
tried that for seven years now. I'm still here. They are not.
My suggestion is to you is to crawl back under the rock you slimed out
from before you lose that precious cable connect. Debbie Gambriel has
dueled this crap with me for five years. I've cost her every single
ISP she has been on except the one she has now, and she knows if she
crosses the line she'll lose that one as well and maybe her telco with
it.
You are the one who is clueless. You do not realize "who you are
crossing keyboards" with. Debbie's tried for 5 years. Here, take a
peek:
http://www.sand-n-sea.us./debbiesdrival.htm
One thing about Debbie is her persistence, or pestilence, whichever.
If you don't have her tenacity I suggest you shut your hole.
Otherwise, bring it sweets, and lets dance.
Next...
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From: CJ <capt...@sand-n-sea.us>
Newsgroups: alt.pets.ferrets
Subject: Re: Need advice
Bill Leary
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> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:14:12 GMT, "CJ" <ior...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Ferrets are mammals, and there's lactose in all mammalian milk. If
> ferrets were lactose "intolerant" there wouldn't be ferrets.
Well, yes. The term "lactose intollerant'" rarely means zero tolerance,
though I have read of cases where human babies were so intolerant they could
even consume their own mothers milk. It generally (always?) means a degree
of intolerance. Like the guy I mentioned earlier who uses cream in his
coffee but can't drink milk.
> Bill, lactose is a simple sugar,
I'd read that it was a moderately complex double molecule and that the
trouble was that it was difficult for some creatures to break down that
molecule, thus leading to the problem.
> and I doubt processing would change its structure.
Actually, I was more thinking of the fact that heat can damage the
nutritional value of many foods and, perhaps, the procesing to produce heavy
cream modified the molecule so it either passed through un-digested or made
it easier to digest.
> In general, mammals produce less and less lactase after
> they're weaned, but continue to if milk is part of their diet.
Ah, now that makes a comment I'd read about lactase production one of the
sites I looked up make sense. I thought that was what it meant, but it
wasn't entirely clear.
- Bill
swamp
wrote:
>"swamp" <sw...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:14:12 GMT, "CJ" <ior...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> Ferrets are mammals, and there's lactose in all mammalian milk. If
>> ferrets were lactose "intolerant" there wouldn't be ferrets.
>
>Well, yes. The term "lactose intollerant'" rarely means zero tolerance,
True. Biology is always degrees, not yes or no.
>though I have read of cases where human babies were so intolerant they could
>even consume their own mothers milk.
Not from lactose intolerence. Every mother's milk has lactose in it.
That the nature of mammals. Ma's milk also has colostrum which
contains antibodies, and then you get into into the autoimmune stuff
which I don't fully understand. My point was CJ's claim that a mammal
shouldn't be given milk was ridiculous.
>It generally (always?) means a degree
>of intolerance. Like the guy I mentioned earlier who uses cream in his
>coffee but can't drink milk.
How much cream and how much milk?
>> Bill, lactose is a simple sugar,
>
>I'd read that it was a moderately complex double molecule and that the
>trouble was that it was difficult for some creatures to break down that
>molecule, thus leading to the problem.
No, it's a single C and 4 Hs max. I think. Lemme look it up...
Whoops. A little bigger molecule than I thought:
http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/chem.html#lactose
Still, nothing there you and I and all of ferrets haven't consumed and
digested for ages.
>> and I doubt processing would change its structure.
>
>Actually, I was more thinking of the fact that heat can damage the
>nutritional value of many foods and, perhaps, the procesing to produce heavy
>cream modified the molecule so it either passed through un-digested or made
>it easier to digest.
The cream rises to the top w/o processing. I'm not quite old enough to
have seen it happen, but my grandparents talked about skimming the
cream off the top of delivered milk bottles.
>> In general, mammals produce less and less lactase after
>> they're weaned, but continue to if milk is part of their diet.
>
>Ah, now that makes a comment I'd read about lactase production one of the
>sites I looked up make sense. I thought that was what it meant, but it
>wasn't entirely clear.
The definition of mammals is they have teats. In most cases only
females lactate, but both sexes share the anatomy other than the
glands. A claim that mammals shouldn't be fed milk bothers me.
-- Bill
Done,
Cap
swamp <sw...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<s89hiv4h8h4bobc9e...@4ax.com>...
Bill Leary
> >though I have read of cases where human babies were so intolerant they
could
> >even consume their own mothers milk.
>
> Not from lactose intolerence.
That's what the article said. But see "Just because..." comment below.
> > Like the guy I mentioned earlier who uses cream in his
> >coffee but can't drink milk.
>
> How much cream and how much milk?
Glass of milk will do him in. The couple of table spoons in coffee didn't
hurt him for a couple of cups of coffee a day.
> No, it's a single C and 4 Hs max. I think. Lemme look it up...
Ah, now you're getting deeper into in than I wanted to go. I'll take your
word for it. I visited a dozen or more sites and one of them said something
like "linked double sugar molecule."
Just because I read both of these tidbits it somewhere doesn't mean it's
true. One of the reasons I jumped in here was to get some comments about
the issue of ferret lactose intolerance. Hey, it's even on-topic.
> The cream rises to the top w/o processing. I'm not quite old enough
> to have seen it happen, but my grandparents talked about skimming
> the cream off the top of delivered milk bottles.
I am old enough to remember it first hand. Forgot it until you mentioned
it.
- Bill
Lin
anything embarrassing?
And, considering you didn't even bother to post the entire thread, no, I
*didn't* "run away like a scared little chickie". I posted that I obviously
was posting to the wrong group (A PIECE OF ADVICE *YOU* MIGHT TAKE, may I
add), told the people who responded to me what I thought about their
responses, & ub-subbed from the group.
If you think I have any problem w/ you posting this, I hate to burst your
bubble. I was looking for info, & thanks to several people who thought I got
handled a little too harshly, I've gotten lots of help in our adoption quest
from people in that group, via private email.
You got a problem w/ that, Moron? That's *your* problem - not mine.
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
news:aSYVa.39565$rsJ....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Lin
You've just reported to your server for publicly threatening to obstruct
official US Government business.
And I quote, from below:
"> I can send more if you want, or forward all the messages with all
> your hysterical fits toward me to not only your precious adoption agency,
> but also the Kazakhstan Embassy in NYC. I'm sure they'd be very interesed
> in the mental stability and physical condition and verbal assaults you are
> capable of. You can forget about the little Kristina which would be
better
> off with younger and nicer people than yourself."
And don't bother to forward it to my agency - I just saved you the trouble &
did that myself, too. Along w/ the proof of your TOS violation, & your using
a hijacked email address.
Suck it up, sweetie.
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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Tracker
CJ wrote:
Way to go girl! Crapper is angry because he is fostering and ouchie. LOL!
Pain can make anyone go nuts.
Tracker
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remark, here was my reply, before I *did* leave after realizing this was not
the group of people I needed to talk to for advice. I asked for an FAQ,
never got it, & didn't realize I was writing for advice to a group of people
who were *bitter* about adoption. Whooooo.....I'm *sooooo* embarrassed -
not!
----------
From: Lin (kt...@woh.rr.com)
Subject: Re: New Here - Looking for Info
Newsgroups: alt.adoption
Date: 2003-01-15 14:29:04 PST
Well, gosh, thanks for the warm welcome! <snort>
I thought this was an ng for people involved in adoption, not personal
attack.
Not that I'll be staying long enough to give a damn, but FYI:
1- I call the hubster that to his face. He doesn't mind, so why the hell
should *you*?
2- I got out of teaching dance *before* I knew I wouldn't have the energy
anymore. Given what I know now, I could *still* have been doing it today.
3- If some of you look at these kids as "russian bastards", I think *you're*
the one in need of a puppy.
4- As for the age issue, many foreign contries have no age limit for
adoptive parents. I've done some research.
5- In my psychologist days, I worked w/ juvenile delinquents. I worked w/
kids who had commited murder. I worked w/ kids who were pimped by their own
parents for drug money. I worked w/ kids who got knocked up at the age of
12. I worked w/ kids who shot their own fathers. If you think I don't know
what I'm getting into, you're wrong.
If there's anyone out there w/ any REAL, HELPFUL info, feel free to email
me. The addy in the header is legit.
As for now, pardon me whilst I go un-sub. Thanks loads for the compassionate
responses, & I hope you get over your bitterness someday.
Lin
-------------
And I *did* get quite a few emails from people who read the group, know what
it's about (which I didn't at the time), & that *have* given me help &
direction. A few of those people are still writing to me as friends. And one
of them is an adoption agency facilitator herself.
The entire thread is there for all to read. I could care less *who* reads
it. I'm not hiding anything from anyone. So, moron, your threats are rather
empty. No shock value whatsoever. So if you think you're letting some big,
bad, hairy secret out of the bag - wrong again, idiot.
Go feed your "horses" & get a life.
fred
news:k1pgivc589h74822a...@4ax.com:
>>Hey Tom , not only yours , Ferrets ARE lactose intolerant , NO dairy
>>products in their diet , ever!
>
> Ferrets are mammals, and there's lactose in all mammalian milk. If
> ferrets were lactose "intolerant" there wouldn't be ferrets.
lactose intolerant doesnt mean 0 tolerance, it means it is very dificult
for them to digest and puts a strain on their systems. A friend of mine is
also lactose intolerant. She can have some dairly products but it causes
her a great deal of gastric upset to do so.
>
> Bill, lactose is a simple sugar, and I doubt processing would change
> its structure. In general, mammals produce less and less lactase after
> they're weaned, but continue to if milk is part of their diet. They
> can even start to produce it again if milk/dairy is reintroduced.
>
Processing can change its structure, especially proceses that use heat.
> Tom, despite what CJ says you can try whipping cream as an aid in
> administering medications. Might help things and won't hurt them a
> bit.
>
whipping cream is almost as high a lactose content as whole milk. In small
quantities it can be used but a high quality 18% or better sugar free ice
cream is better (lower lactose than the whipping cream) probably a good
idea to let it melt first....no need for ferrets with brain freeze.
Isotope
> Kindly point out *where* in this post anyone, including ME, might find
> anything embarrassing?
Nope... nothing embarassing anywhere. Seems like a perfectly reasonable
post to me, even without you posting your (totaly reasonable) reply!
Isotope
fred
news:4e6jivsop4jiiq12m...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:29:33 -0000, in
> <Xns93C9A7C...@216.168.3.44>, fred
> Amidst all this bickering over what constitutes lactose
> intolerance, the makeup of mammalian milk, and other irrelevant
> minutiae, I guess I'm missing something. It seem to me that if
> the goal is to get BUTTER FAT into the ferret, that BUTTER is
> about as good as it gets - unsalted of course. I suspect that
> ferrets will reject butter at about the same rate they reject
> ferretone. Somebody please slap me if I'm overlooking something
> obvious here.
>
Acctually the
goal was to get medicine into the ferret by means of puting it in
something he doesnt hate. The butter is probably a very good idea.
Cap
The slam dunk below is going to hurt... ouch...
heh, heh, heh...
and she sure got quiet.
"Lin Ross" <lin_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<fOYVa.75332$Bs1.7...@wagner.videotron.net>...
> lol whoa....ok I just decided to catch up on some posts here...hey Cap, luv
> ya guy, but please don't be thinking that this CJ person is *typically
> Canadian* lol we're not all that bad...actually, I should write to Ottawa
> about seeing that her deportation is dealt with :-p
>
> Keep up the good work guys...this is all quite...entertaining :-)
>
From Lin:
Oh - forgot to add....
You've just reported to your server for publicly threatening to obstruct
official US Government business.
And I quote, from below:
"> I can send more if you want, or forward all the messages with all
> your hysterical fits toward me to not only your precious adoption agency,
> but also the Kazakhstan Embassy in NYC. I'm sure they'd be very interesed
> in the mental stability and physical condition and verbal assaults you are
> capable of. You can forget about the little Kristina which would be
better
> off with younger and nicer people than yourself."
And don't bother to forward it to my agency - I just saved you the trouble &
Ilena Ayala
be the *wrong* group. :-p
Seemed like a reasonable post (with rude replies) to me.
-Ilena Ayala
"Lin" <kt...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:KdgWa.38355$ib2.11...@twister.neo.rr.com...
> And while we're at it - regarding your "running away like a scared
chickie"
> remark, here was my reply, before I *did* leave after realizing this was
not
> the group of people I needed to talk to for advice. I asked for an FAQ,
> never got it, & didn't realize I was writing for advice to a group of
people
> who were *bitter* about adoption. Whooooo.....I'm *sooooo* embarrassed -
> not!
<snip>
Ilena Ayala
"ZPL" <Z...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:GfWVa.111104$R92....@news2.central.cox.net...
> Nothing sadder than a ferret with brain freeze when they try to take a
bite.
<snip>
LOL.
-Ilena Ayala
swamp
wrote:
>"swamp" <sw...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:s89hiv4h8h4bobc9e...@4ax.com...
>> >though I have read of cases where human babies were so intolerant they
>could
>> >even consume their own mothers milk.
>>
>> Not from lactose intolerence.
>
>That's what the article said. But see "Just because..." comment below.
Well, given the number of babies I suppose a few of them are bound to
be lactose intolerant. I just hadn't thought of it or read about it.
The cases I've heard about involved the baby's immune system rejecting
something in the mother's colostrum. A different woman's milk doesn't
cause problems, so it's not lactose intolerance. Most people "in the
know" recommend breast milk over formula. There are things in it which
are linked to increased brain development, especially in preemies.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/31/health/main327276.shtml
Two of my friends just had kids, one prematurely, so I'm getting all
the gruesome details.
>> > Like the guy I mentioned earlier who uses cream in his
>> >coffee but can't drink milk.
>>
>> How much cream and how much milk?
>
>Glass of milk will do him in. The couple of table spoons in coffee didn't
>hurt him for a couple of cups of coffee a day.
Most adults can "relearn" to produce lactase if milk is *slowly*
reintroduced. Shocking the system w/ a full glass of milk after you
haven't had any for years isn't a good idea.
>> No, it's a single C and 4 Hs max. I think. Lemme look it up...
>
>Ah, now you're getting deeper into in than I wanted to go. I'll take your
>word for it. I visited a dozen or more sites and one of them said something
>like "linked double sugar molecule."
Yep, which is why it was bigger than I thought it would be. It's two
sugar molecules w/ a hydroxide bond in the middle. Here's what it
looks like:
http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/chem.html#lactose
>Just because I read both of these tidbits it somewhere doesn't mean it's
>true. One of the reasons I jumped in here was to get some comments about
>the issue of ferret lactose intolerance. Hey, it's even on-topic.
It's likely the articles are correct and I simply hadn't heard of the
problem in babies, only adults. Seems odd that a mammalian infant
would have lactose intolerance, given they're born to drink milk. I
wonder if other mammalian newborns have lactose intolerance... Calves?
>> The cream rises to the top w/o processing. I'm not quite old enough
>> to have seen it happen, but my grandparents talked about skimming
>> the cream off the top of delivered milk bottles.
>
>I am old enough to remember it first hand. Forgot it until you mentioned
>it.
I figured they were telling me the truth. Fat is less dense than
water, so it goes to the top like those fat people who can float on
their backs in sea water. Always envied them that. I sink like a
stone.
And as long as we're dating ourselves, we had milk delivered up 'til I
was 7 or 8, but it was homogenized or skimmed. Then came the
supermarkets which put the small local dairies out of business.
> - Bill
CJ
>
> The slam dunk below is going to hurt... ouch...
> heh, heh, heh...
> and she sure got quiet.
> Sweetheart,I know you are missing me , but here in Canada we work for
living , we don't spend out time in jayl as much as you do in Florida.I'll
get back to you and Lin as soon as possible since I just got home and have
few important things to take care of first.Whathever the "chickie"(isn't
that how she loves to call me)is doing is FINE , she's just digging her hole
bigger &bigger everytime she writes and slanders me since the start.
Go ahed , Lin , I"m starting to like Cap much more now ...because , you know
, he's vulgar and abnoxious and ...who has more puts more...but we all know
that , and at least he doens't pretend to be someone he's not , he's just
Cap! You missy..on the other hand are a two-faced little woman a hippocrat
.....I really can't stomach YOU!
I'll talk to you later .
CJ
swamp
<UseAddr...@pandora.orbl.org> wrote:
>Amidst all this bickering over what constitutes lactose
>intolerance, the makeup of mammalian milk, and other irrelevant
>minutiae, I guess I'm missing something. It seem to me that if
>the goal is to get BUTTER FAT into the ferret, that BUTTER is
>about as good as it gets - unsalted of course. I suspect that
>ferrets will reject butter at about the same rate they reject
>ferretone. Somebody please slap me if I'm overlooking something
>obvious here.
They *like* whipping cream, and it seems to mask the bad taste of
Flagyl and Metro. I can't get mine to eat butter, meds or not,
unsalted or not (the salt won't hurt them btw).
The originator of the thread complained about difficulties in
administering meds. Whipping cream can be used to make administration
easier w/ some of them, and the fat is a bonus if they're losing
weight.
>Jim Higgins
Bill Leary
> Two of my friends just had kids, one prematurely, so I'm getting all
> the gruesome details.
Had a similar experience years back myself (friend with premie, learned far
more than I wanted to know about the subject).
> Yep, which is why it was bigger than I thought it would be. It's two
> sugar molecules w/ a hydroxide bond in the middle. Here's what it
> looks like:
>
> http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/chem.html#lactose
I haven't looked at one of those diagrams since high school.
> It's likely the articles are correct and I simply hadn't heard of the
> problem in babies, only adults. Seems odd that a mammalian infant
> would have lactose intolerance, given they're born to drink milk.
If I'm remembering correctly, it was some type of reinforced heriditary
defect. If both of her parent's hadn't had this defect, in a dormant state,
they'd never have seen it.
> And as long as we're dating ourselves, we had milk delivered up 'til I
> was 7 or 8, but it was homogenized or skimmed. Then came the
> supermarkets which put the small local dairies out of business.
Same age for me, but during the transition you could select which kind of
milk you wanted. Eventually everything was homogenized and you no longer
had the choice. Then the company gave up home delivery entirely.
And talking about full circle, there are now TWO delivery services who go
down our street every day.
- Bill
Cap
Hmmmm...
You gotta get it somewhere I guess.
Oh, by the way Clodia, you have a little surprise coming courtesy of Rogers.
Stay tuned....
Lin Ross
count (seeing as your education is lacking) I'm not pretending to be anyone
else. See, I'm a DIFFERENT Lin, one who DOES live IN Canada, and does think
Cap is a doll, Lord knows it's nice to see the folks here still setting
people like you straight. Oh, and BTW, don't even bother responding with any
of your BS, I won't be bothered reading it. See, I've been reading these
threads, and I find it quite amusing that after you blast someone, and they
give it right back, you then come back asskissing and changing your story.
You know...learn something, then maybe you'd see that Lin and I are actually
different people, from different places, with different lives.
Oh..and Lin..if you're out there, hiyas :-)
Lin
*slave to Poink, Bear, Cocoa Bean, Wizzer, Smokey, Panda, Dipstix, Buddy,
Puddin' and Puddin's evil offspring, Ash*
http://members.tripod.com/ferretopia/
"CJ" <capt...@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
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Lin Ross
category as CJ, lol.
Hope all is well down on your end of the continent!
Lin
*slave to Poink, Bear, Cocoa Bean, Wizzer, Smokey, Panda, Dipstix, Buddy,
Puddin' and Puddin's evil offspring, Ash*
http://members.tripod.com/ferretopia/
"Cap" <capt....@sand-n-sea.us> wrote in message
news:785ca339.03073...@posting.google.com...
Ilena Ayala
Check out the cardio faq at http://www.ferretcentral.org/faq/med/cardio.html
Also, at about the time I first got ferrets, Sukie C. was dealing with
cardio in one or two of her ferrets (they were related). She posted a lot
about the meds and results to the FML - try doing a search on her name and a
few other keywords like specific medications.
You can also check the archives of the ferret health list
http://www.smartgroups.com/group/group.cfm?GID=1423922 which are at
http://fhl.sonic-weasel.org/
HTH,
-Ilena Ayala
"Jim Higgins" <UseAddr...@pandora.orbl.org> wrote in message
news:7lijivga6uvh1aq75...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:40:34 -0700, in
> <pkgjivodndpk9e4fu...@4ax.com>, swamp
> Yeah, I lost track of the original point about it being used to
> make giving meds easier. I did have this feeling I was missing
> something and sure enough...
>
> Swamp, do you have any info available on treatment of congestive
> heart disease in ferrets? Particularly the use of Lasix and
> later use of vasodilators and maybe cardiac stimulators? I'd
> sure appreciate a brief rundown with citations if you don't mind.
> I may just buy that book you have for my vet if you'll pass along
> the title and ISBN number, please.
>
> Info from my vet today basically said Lasix or similar diuretic
> is the initial treatment of choice with addition of vasodilators
> and/or cardiac stimulators as indicated as the disease
> progresses. She admitted this was taken mostly from standard
> treatment of cats and dogs and that she currently had no info
> specific to the use of cardiac stimulators in ferrets, but will
> check into it. She guesses some types may not be well tolerated.
> I pretty much found the same general info in a Google search,
> with even less on the use of cardiac stimulators.
>
> My Binkey spent a few days at the clinic for aggressive Lasix
> therapy and I've been continuing treatment with Lasix at a lower
> dosage at home for about the past two weeks, and an even lower
> dosage (a couple of times a week) starting today. We're shooting
> for about 1 - 2 mg/lb twice a week. If he turns out to need more
> we'll go to a bit less per dose given a bit more often for an
> overall increase. Goal is to manage symtoms while avoiding
> hypokalemia. I think that's more a concern to me than to the
> vet. She says he should be OK in the potassium/sodium area as
> long as he maintains a decent appetite, but if I want to give him
> a small lick of salt substitute (potassium chloride) that
> wouldn't hurt. Blood tests after a couple of weeks will tell the
> tale there.
>
> He came home from the vet a couple of weeks ago as limp as a
> dishrag, minimal appetite, but perked up and began eating
> regularly a couple of days later and has been pretty much normal
> (for him) since. Normal for him is not to engage in strenuous
> activity for more than 30 seconds or so tops. Obviously the
> recent diagnosis explains that. It also explains him mostly just
> standing and staring when the new Min Pin puppy tries to chase
> him. Darn dog doesn't know what to make of him since the other
> ferret (Bandit) runs and then comes back for more. I'm really
> glad they seem to respect each other, but I wouldn't leave them
> alone for even 5 seconds. Puppy didn't back off a couple of days
> ago and I think Binkey bit him. Not sure since no marks, but
> there is a strongly renewed respect by the puppy (Ollie) for
> Binkey. Binkey continues to mostly ignore him. If Ollie got him
> worked up at all I wouldn't let them out together.
>
> --
> Jim Higgins
Lin
> eh hello CJ! earth to CJ! There are more Lins on this board than you can
> count (seeing as your education is lacking) I'm not pretending to be
anyone
> else. See, I'm a DIFFERENT Lin, one who DOES live IN Canada, and does
think
> Cap is a doll, Lord knows it's nice to see the folks here still setting
> people like you straight. Oh, and BTW, don't even bother responding with
any
> of your BS, I won't be bothered reading it. See, I've been reading these
> threads, and I find it quite amusing that after you blast someone, and
they
> give it right back, you then come back asskissing and changing your story.
>
> You know...learn something, then maybe you'd see that Lin and I are
actually
> different people, from different places, with different lives.
>
> Oh..and Lin..if you're out there, hiyas :-)
<waving back> Yo Lin! Howzit goin?
Lin, Ariel, Oberon, & Max
CJ
> eh hello CJ! earth to CJ! There are more Lins on this board than you can
> count (seeing as your education is lacking) I'm not pretending to be
anyone
> else. See, I'm a DIFFERENT Lin, one who DOES live IN Canada, and does
think
You know , it's THAT type of Canadian that makes me feel ashamed of being a
Canadian .
> Cap is a doll, Lord knows it's nice to see the folks here still setting
I know he is , just your type of man...again , it shows .
> people like you straight. Oh, and BTW, don't even bother responding with
any
> of your BS, I won't be bothered reading it. See, I've been reading these
> threads, and I find it quite amusing that after you blast someone, and
they
> give it right back, you then come back asskissing and changing your story.
>
Excuse me for asking ,but which kind of "asskissing"are you referring to?You
have it all backwards and seem to suffer from the many multiple
personalities disorders your little cyber friend is suffering from and I
mean Lin....the other kook.
> You know...learn something, then maybe you'd see that Lin and I are
actually
> different people, from different places, with different lives.
> Again I think you are having difficulties understanding what is going on
here.
> Oh..and Lin..if you're out there, hiyas :-)
> Yes , please don't actually respond to this one , just keep watching (it
won't last long)and you'll find out what is REALLY happening!
> Lin
Bye...
CJ
jumpingmouse & kylie
> You missy..on the other hand are a two-faced little woman a hippocrat
> .....I really can't stomach YOU!
> I'll talk to you later .
> CJ
> >
Hippocrat? Would that be a cross between a democrat and a hypocrite? Or
perhaps an aristocrat and a hippopotamus? ROFLOL!!!
CJ
"jumpingmouse & kylie" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:WfnWa.128135$Io.10...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
that's about the size of what she is.....wait for more!
>
CJ
here?
You're so pathetic........!
Get your facts straight before you look even more ridiculous!
Hip·poc·ra·tes ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-tz), Called "the Father
of Medicine." 460?-377? B.C.
Greek physician who laid the foundations of scientific medicine by freeing
medical study from the constraints of philosophical speculation and
superstition. He is traditionally but inaccurately considered the author of
the Hippocratic oath.
Enjoy...
CJ
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>
swamp
<UseAddr...@pandora.orbl.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:40:34 -0700, in
><pkgjivodndpk9e4fu...@4ax.com>, swamp
><sw...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>Yeah, I lost track of the original point about it being used to
>make giving meds easier. I did have this feeling I was missing
>something and sure enough...
>
>Swamp, do you have any info available on treatment of congestive
>heart disease in ferrets? Particularly the use of Lasix and
>later use of vasodilators and maybe cardiac stimulators? I'd
>sure appreciate a brief rundown with citations if you don't mind.
>I may just buy that book you have for my vet if you'll pass along
>the title and ISBN number, please.
Doubt I can tell you anything you don't already know Lasix is a
diuretic (as you note) w/ slight vasodilatic properties. Enacard
(digitalis) makes the heart muscles (all the body's muscles, actually)
contract more strongly. Both Fox's and Purcell's books mention
cardiomyopathy, which is what it sounds like you're talking about. In
Fox's book, it's pp. 316-8, ISBN 0-683-30034-2. In Purcell's book it's
pp. 84-86, ISBN 0-941451-73-9.
>Info from my vet today basically said Lasix or similar diuretic
>is the initial treatment of choice with addition of vasodilators
>and/or cardiac stimulators as indicated as the disease
>progresses. She admitted this was taken mostly from standard
>treatment of cats and dogs and that she currently had no info
>specific to the use of cardiac stimulators in ferrets, but will
>check into it. She guesses some types may not be well tolerated.
>I pretty much found the same general info in a Google search,
>with even less on the use of cardiac stimulators.
Unfortunately, you're buying time, or more accurately, trading
longevity for quality of life. Well... not unfortunately. In Binkey's
case it seems like a good bargain.
>My Binkey spent a few days at the clinic for aggressive Lasix
>therapy and I've been continuing treatment with Lasix at a lower
>dosage at home for about the past two weeks, and an even lower
>dosage (a couple of times a week) starting today. We're shooting
>for about 1 - 2 mg/lb twice a week. If he turns out to need more
>we'll go to a bit less per dose given a bit more often for an
>overall increase. Goal is to manage symtoms while avoiding
>hypokalemia. I think that's more a concern to me than to the
>vet. She says he should be OK in the potassium/sodium area as
>long as he maintains a decent appetite, but if I want to give him
>a small lick of salt substitute (potassium chloride) that
>wouldn't hurt. Blood tests after a couple of weeks will tell the
>tale there.
Salts and diuretics work against each other. Blood values are key. If
Na/K values are good continue to reduce the lasix as much as you can.
When I said salted butter wouldn't hurt them I meant otherwise healthy
ferrets. I should've been more careful there. My omission.
>He came home from the vet a couple of weeks ago as limp as a
>dishrag, minimal appetite, but perked up and began eating
>regularly a couple of days later and has been pretty much normal
>(for him) since.
That's good. Much worse when they go downhill after seeing the vet. A
ferret that's eating is never bad.
If you haven't subscribed to the FHL, you should. I learn a lot there.
In fact, I'm off to read it now, and then it's bedtime for bonzos
(ferrets).
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ferrethealth
>Normal for him is not to engage in strenuous
>activity for more than 30 seconds or so tops. Obviously the
>recent diagnosis explains that. It also explains him mostly just
>standing and staring when the new Min Pin puppy tries to chase
>him. Darn dog doesn't know what to make of him since the other
>ferret (Bandit) runs and then comes back for more. I'm really
>glad they seem to respect each other, but I wouldn't leave them
>alone for even 5 seconds. Puppy didn't back off a couple of days
>ago and I think Binkey bit him. Not sure since no marks, but
>there is a strongly renewed respect by the puppy (Ollie) for
>Binkey. Binkey continues to mostly ignore him. If Ollie got him
>worked up at all I wouldn't let them out together.
Sounds like you have an oldster too. This is my first experience, and
I've never had one w/ heart trouble, so all I can do is regurgitate
what I've read.
Minimize the lasix and digitalis, or iow, don't "over support." It's a
fine line from what I understand.
CJ
a grip....or better yet....get a puppy!
Besides, I didn't publicly threaten anything. I told you what I'm
doing, and am sending some documents in regards to your adoption to
the proper authorities at the Kazakhstan Embassy in NYC as well as
documents translated to Russian by me :) to Ust-Kamenogorsk officials
for the benefit of this child who has already lost her parents. With
your condition, is it fair she go through that again? I think not.
We'll see how they like adopting children to unstable, hysterical,
pathological liars like yourself.
Oh, by the way, I thought it funny how you got fired from your job as
a troubled child councilor. Didn't claim how you "retired" from your
job?!? Sure....good one.
Seems to me that you are the only liar around here. I never did. Is
that what made you so bitter?
I couldn't have said it better myself, so why reinvent the wheel?
(Seems like I'm not the only one unimpressed by your garbage...) You
are just bitter.....and only get satisfaction when you are involved in
one of your typical flames. It's like a blast from the past...but
that's where you live, isn't it?
CJ
Read Below:
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From: paghat (paghatSPA...@netscape.net)
Subject: Re: paghat........
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Newsgroups: alt.pets.ferrets
Date: 2002-08-18 22:56:29 PST
In article <SPC69.12590$N9.11...@twister.neo.rr.com>, "Lin"
<kt...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> Molly, we may have had some disagreements in here in the past, but
> believe me, I no more believe this sad, nasty woman any more than I
> believe Debbie the Douchebag.
>
> She strikes me as being no more than an uncompassionate, self-absorbed
> lonely OLD woman w/ grandious delusions about her sense of import on
> this planet, probably stemming from the emptiness she's experienced in
> her long life. She probably consciously or unconsciously realizes that
> there will
be
> nothing left of her when she dies, probably sometime in the next 25
> yrs, & she may not be able to deal w/ that on a personal level, so she
> feels the need to create some sort of controversy that someone will
> remember her by after she's gone. Too bad she's wrong. I *almost* feel
> sorry for her.
>
> (Yes, Phat Hag, I have a degree in Psychology, w/ an emphasis in
> Clinical Psych, & have done a lot of the required coursework towards
> my PhD in Clinical. 4.0 GPA. I quit all that to do what I loved -
> dance. I am not a licensed counselor, by my *own* choice.)
>
Fascinating that your claims of having a PhD in clinical psychology
never comes up except when you're flaming someone, like when you
flamed "srabner" & cited your psychology degree to strengthen your
flame, when you flamed "Katiera" & cited same. You use the word
"psychology" in NO OTHER CONTEXT except when being mad at someone. You
write on every topic imaginable some of actual psychological
significance from suicide to coping with a crippling illness to death
of a pet, without ever needing to cite any work of psychology or your
own alleged education, & your terminology is always amateur, your
observational capacity completely absent. Yet when you want to call
someone a dirty name, suddenly you do it from the pedastal of
psychological training. Pretty comical! You otherwise speak of no
university affiliations, no hospital affiliation, seemingly no
understanding of the internship & community fieldwork requirements to
obtain the alleged degree -- & you seem to know nothing whatsoever
about any medical or mental health profession, even less than could be
picked up second-hand by anyone with MS who has a pharmacist husband.
Someone ACTUALLY trained in CLINICAL psychology has a degree that
encompasses behavior medicine, neuroscience, research analysis &
statistics -- none of which adds up to an expertise in declaring one's
foes anything from a douchebag to lonely & old.
Being smarter than you are is easy so it's no boast to mention it; and
BEING smarter than you are I well know that being a skank & a
worthless dorkpizzle such as you are does NOT mean you are necessarily
unable to find love. Fact is, the worst scoundrals on earth usually
find it easier to get loved than churchgoing wussy sweethearts, &
looks better in leather & a motorcycle than in a nice soft hospital
gown. If you'd learned anything while getting you alleged PhD in
psychology, you'd've learned there is NO correlation between level of
rudeness & level of companionship. Many nice pleasant quiet people are
lonely; those of us who are annoying are rarely lonely. I've certainly
never had problems in that department, & if you haven't either, then
that proves it: douchebags have better lives.
Of course, if I'm wrong, & you're just pathetic, I apologize for
thinking too highly of you.
When you flamed your favorite "Debbie" for being college educated the
tone indicated you never were. You also frequently claim to have been
a TEACHER & rarely mention WHAT you taught. Turns out you never taught
in any credited school, but were a dance instructor of no consequence
whatsoever. Probably at Arthur Murrey's School of Dance which exists
to rip off old people of their pension moneys.
You even once flamed the Old Mole telling her you knew how bad she was
because of your imaginary clinical psychology degree & your years as a
teacher. A teacher! BWAHAHA. Amateur dance instructor did NOT
constitute a teaching position. And if you ever really had a PhD in
ANYthing let alone psychology, why is it only of value to you to
mention when you're flaming? If you did have that education, & yet
it's only contribution to your life is to back up your recurring flame
"I'm a clinical psychologist with a PhD, so that proves you're a
douchebag," well then, perhaps you should be seeking psychological
help. At least when you told another of your hundred "douchebag"
enemies to go drink a jigger of Drano you didn't claim you learned
that one for your PhD. And if only you'd douche one-one-hundredth of
the number of times you talked about douching, your twat wouldn't
stink all the way to Detroit. Maybe you should douche with drano? I do
think at the very least you should be renamed Lin la'Douche since it's
the most common word in your very limited vocabulary.
And you've regarded so MANY people as douchebags on usenet, all of
them superior to yourself (which isn't saying much), including until
your present bopal the Old Mole herself who was formerly a douchebag
to you. I would regard it as a greater insult to be categorized
anything else by the likes of you. I mean, gak, what if a scummy
scoundral like you LIKED paghat?? Oh woe. To not fit warmly into the
lowly worldview of a Lin la'Douche is a good thing.
So, though you have made almost no posts about what it was like to be
a PhD'd psychologist & "teacher" for thirty-odd years, you DO post
MANY times about your ACTUAL jobs -- dead-end receptionist &
secretarial work that you finally could no longer do because of MS. A
life of dead-end jobs topped off with MS. No wonder you're a bitter
old toad.
The real tragedy would be if you really DID study psychology and came
out of it full of the type of bigotries you've expressed -- regarding
growing "old" as a flamable trait for instance, applauding a life on
the dole but regarding actual success as grandolequence. Since you
imagine "OLD" is a negative state of being, then imagine the evil
cruelty your attitude would have inflicted on any old persons who
might've unfortunately sought counseling from you on the basis of your
alleged PhD in clinical psychology! Personally I can't imagine how it
would be possible to study psychology for even a week & have as little
grasp of your own. When your recurring need to flame arises, your best
psychological gambit is "You're old!" Pretty lame. The more so since
you are a bit of a senior citizen yourself, so what you're revealing
is self-hate.
You've also claimed to be a teacher in the context of your alleged
psychology degree -- when you stretch the truth via context that
badly, it makes you an outright liar, because your "teacher" status
was actually as a dance instructor. Probably even that was made up.
Now even with MS you claim to be a DANCER instead of a "Counselor" by
choice, when in fact you are neither a dancer nor a counselor & not
even a receptionist any more. And what PhD ever defined their best
missed career choice as "counselor" to begin with, a title someone
without even a bachelors degree can be, without even a highschool
education. You cudda been a counselor, sheesh. Volunteer for the night
shift at the Crisis Clinic & you still can be.
I see from several of your posts it always bothers you when someone
you've taken a dislike to (& there are so very many of those) has
actually succeeded at something, no doubt because you never succeeded
at anything. You regard this as an exaggereated sence of my
importance. Actually, I could be just about worthless & still be
superior to you, & it's an ancient Sumerian saying, "The fox thinks
she's clever. She can outwit a bird." So I'm well aware that being
superior to you does not necessarily mean I'd be more than average in
a crowd of normally intelligent people.
But as an alleged psychologist, you should have known better than to
fault someone for having a strong sense of one's own worth. Even if I
hadn't been lucky professionally with my art & given those awards &
frequently given free vacations in exchange for giving literary talks
or readings here & there on this planet -- even if I didn't have a
good loving partnership plus extended family -- even if I'd INSTEAD
been a complete failure at my art & had only a trunkfull of
unpublished manuscripts to show for it -- a REAL PhD'd clinical
psychologist wouldn't fault that person for having healthy sense of
self-worth. I presume you do not share the emotion of self-worth, nor
should you. But if you'd succeeded instead of failed in your life,
individual merit does stem from elsewhere. I'm sure your husband cares
about you a little even though he no longer wants to have sex with you
-- & he didn't marry you because of your alleged but unproven
education, he found merit in you. Perhaps that merit wore out as you
got old, but if so, that loss of merit came strictly from within you.
So, it may ANNOY you that someone of the MANY people feel hatred for
are lucky at love & art & profession & strong senses of self-worth,
but to fantasize a successful career & good family leads is comparable
to DELUSIONS of self-worth actually makes you look a wee bit tragic.
Does that mean you regard your own family, your own attempts to be at
least a dance instructor if nothing else, added up to some kind of
DELUSION? As these things wash both ways. If you regard it as
delusion, then for you it is delusion.
-paghat
--
"Flowers are commonly badly designed, inartistic in
color, & ill-smelling." -Ambrose Bierce
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl:
http://www.angelfire.com/grrl/paghat/gardenhome.html#top
Lin Ross
critters are doing fantastic! Although Panda had his fun this week, falling
asleep in the couch for awhile, lol, the bum! I'm going to have to post some
new pics on the site, have they ever changed! Panda, like Poink, has lost
most of his markings, he is so light now :-)
Hope everyone else out there is doing well!
Lin
*slave to Poink, Bear, Cocoa Bean, Wizzer, Smokey, Panda, Dipstix, Buddy,
Puddin' and Puddin's evil offspring, Ash*
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"Lin" <kt...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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Lin Ross
we ALL know, but still can't accept the fact that hippocrat isn't a word,
LOL.
Hope you and yours are doing well, mouse...keep up the good work :-)
Lin
*slave to Poink, Bear, Cocoa Bean, Wizzer, Smokey, Panda, Dipstix, Buddy,
Puddin' and Puddin's evil offspring, Ash*
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"jumpingmouse & kylie" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
Lisa The Ferret Haven By the Sea
>> was 7 or 8, but it was homogenized or skimmed. Then came the
>> supermarkets which put the small local dairies out of business.
When I lived in Cherry Hill, NJ - we had an insulated container on our front
porch - and milk in glass bottles with paper tops were delivered once a week..
Now in VA, we actually still have 2 dairy farms that will deliver fresh milk -
Bergey's is the one that I go to on a regular basis...yum fresh ice cream and
all the dairy products you can stand..
Lisa Leidig, Head Ferret
The Ferret Haven "By-the-Sea"
http: www.ferrethaven.org
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Lin
ridiculous you make yourself look.
"CJ" <clair...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Since when is your adoption "official US Government business"?!? Get
> a grip....or better yet....get a puppy!
Considering all the US gov't agencies one has to go through to get
clearance, yes, it *is* official US Government Business. I might remind you
that I already have local, state, & FBI clearance, & gov't child abuse
registry clearance. FWIW, I also have full medical clearance *&*
psychological clearance.
> Besides, I didn't publicly threaten anything. I told you what I'm
> doing, and am sending some documents in regards to your adoption to
> the proper authorities at the Kazakhstan Embassy in NYC as well as
> documents translated to Russian by me :) to Ust-Kamenogorsk officials
> for the benefit of this child who has already lost her parents. With
> your condition, is it fair she go through that again? I think not.
Exactly. Sounds like a threat to disrupt US Government business (as well as
the government business of a foreign country) to me. Don't worry -
rogers.com is watching, as they've been notified.
There is no "Kazakhstan Embassy" in NYC, you putz. And as for the rest of
your THREAT, my adoption facilitator, as well as all local coordinators,
have been warned to be on the look-out for you, as per your threats, your
faked email addresses, the content of your ramblings, etc. My facilitator
laughed heartily at your post, in fact. So did my cousin's husband, who's a
special agent w/ the FBI in Chicago.
What "condition" are you talking about? I have no fatal conditions.
> We'll see how they like adopting children to unstable, hysterical,
> pathological liars like yourself.
Yeah, right. Projection. Does anyone here think I'm "hysterical"? I'm as
calm as a clam. YOU are the one who's "hysterical"ly changing your email
addresses, searching high & low for some sort of incriminating evidence
against people in here. I also wonder about your fixation on *me* <shudder>.
> Oh, by the way, I thought it funny how you got fired from your job as
> a troubled child councilor. Didn't claim how you "retired" from your
> job?!? Sure....good one.
What, you want my resume? I didn't get "fired". I left that job (w/ 2 wks
notice) cos of 2 reasons: I needed time to work on the new house my husband
& I just bought, & I needed more time for graduate school. You want the
phone # of my immediate former boss? The former juvenile court judge (now in
legal practice w/ his sons), who ran the place? They'd be happy to tell you
about how I established the first undergrad psych internship program at the
place, & read some of their letters of commendation from my file.
Rather than printing the rest of your tirade (which everyone in here already
read when it happened), let me cut to the chase & clear up a few items for
you.
1- I have NEVER IN MY LIFE claimed to have a PhD in Clinical Psychology. I
have a SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CLASSWORK TOWARDS my PhD in Clinical
Psychology. I am not a licensed counselor or psychologist, as I even
mentioned in a post to YOU already. You're suffering from the same illness
Paghat was suffering from - an inability to read, an overactive imagination,
& a total obsession in thinking you need revenge for someone telling you
you're full of shit.
Allow me to lift a direct quote, from myself, from below:
"> > (Yes, Phat Hag, I have a degree in Psychology, w/ an emphasis in
> > Clinical Psych, & have done a lot of the required coursework towards
> > my PhD in Clinical. 4.0 GPA. I quit all that to do what I loved -
> > dance. I am not a licensed counselor, by my *own* choice.)"
Learn to read, dipwad.
2- 36 yrs of Ballet. Professional certification through Dance Masters of
America in Cecchetti (Italian) method of Ballet. Taught for 16 yrs, owned my
*own* studio for 12 yrs. Former students working in NYC, either dancing
professionally or on Broadway. Listed in Who's Who in Entertainment, Who's
Who in the Midwest, Who's Who of American Women, & Who's Who in America
(Marquis Publishing - not a vanity pub; I was nominated by other dance
professionals, researched, & deemed worthy for inclusion). Dancer,
choreographer, competition judge, & teacher. This is the reason I quit grad
school - the world of dance called me back, & I decided I'd rather be happy
*now* than wait a couple more yrs & pay off more student loans. I sold my
studio in Aug '99, & it is still in operation, & still very successfully so.
3- Everyone - *EVERYONE* - in this ng will tell you that the ONLY time I go
into flame-mode is when I have good reason. YOU are a good reason. YOU
started this. YOU are the one who came in here acting like you knew shit you
didn't know anything about, & YOU are the one looking like an idiot here.
Not me.
> Seems to me that you are the only liar around here. I never did. Is
> that what made you so bitter?
I'm not bitter, I'm just sick of your presence here in this ng, where you
don't belong. When someone says anything to contradict you, you respond not
w/ educated debate, not w/ discussion, not w/ attempting to educate yourself
further, but by spending time online, seeing if you can dredge up something
that person might find embarrassing. Well, honey, it isn't working. So why
don't you make youself look GOOD for a moment - leave now. Every post you
write only makes you look even more.....hmmmm, what's the word?......BITTER
cos someone had the audacity to correct your superior knowledge.
Unlike you, I come in here to *learn* about ferrets (Gasp! I don't know
everything!!), & for friendship. Not only have you NOT learned anything, you
don't have any friends in here.
I'll tell you what you *do* have. You have my undying pity.
<snippage of crap everyone already read a long, long time ago>
Lin
"Lisa The Ferret Haven By the Sea" <fhbyt...@aol.comferts4me> wrote in
message news:20030801105114...@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > And as long as we're dating ourselves, we had milk delivered up 'til I
> >> was 7 or 8, but it was homogenized or skimmed. Then came the
> >> supermarkets which put the small local dairies out of business.
>
> When I lived in Cherry Hill, NJ - we had an insulated container on our
front
> porch - and milk in glass bottles with paper tops were delivered once a
week..
>
> Now in VA, we actually still have 2 dairy farms that will deliver fresh
milk -
> Bergey's is the one that I go to on a regular basis...yum fresh ice cream
and
> all the dairy products you can stand..
When I was really little (up through 1st grade), my Dad did this very thing
for a living.
I took great delight in telling teachers & strangers that my Dad was the
milk-man. :-D
Gary
> > And as long as we're dating ourselves, we had milk delivered up 'til I
> >> was 7 or 8, but it was homogenized or skimmed. Then came the
> >> supermarkets which put the small local dairies out of business.
>
> When I lived in Cherry Hill, NJ - we had an insulated container on our front
> porch - and milk in glass bottles with paper tops were delivered once a week..
Gee, I remember those from when I was a child. :o)
Gary
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From: Lin (kt...@woh.rr.com)
Subject: Re: multiple sclerosis case law
View: Complete Thread (8 articles)
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Newsgroups: alt.support.mult-sclerosis
Date: 2002-06-03 09:46:03 PST
I was fired from a job because of my MS; I went through the state's Civil
Rights Commission & the EEOC, & won all back wages from the time of my
firing to the time I found another job.
Email me if you want further details, as I'm not sure if the situation you
describe is similar to what I went through.
Lin
---------
I'm done with you and your petty garbage. Let the chips fall where they
may, and we'll see what the "Official US Government Business" I'm
obstructing <g> does. Don't worry, we know where to send the info. I was
just 'quoting' from one of your previous posts....but one thing remains.
You are not a fit parent to adopt this poor little girl. That's a fact.
I'm not the only one to have told you so, but you know better. Had to get
out of your dance studio because you were too fatigued. Good luck with a
child!
Just because one has to obtain government tests to see if they are worthy
does not mean that it's official government business. I figured your years
of knowledge would have told you that. As for the rest of your bragging
crap, good for you...as long as you're happy!
BTW, as a public newsgroup, it's NOT for you to choose WHO belongs here or
not. Go start your own moderated group and then you can pick participants
rather than pushing them away with your "intimidating" posts. That may work
on some people (obviously since they left), but not on me. I'm here as long
as I choose. Oh, and for the record, your "friends" started the cross
posting first. You should really think before you attack people, as it's
bound to come back at you some day, as you are now seeing. Lest we forget,
you were one of the first people to laugh and ridicule me when someone
cross-posted something that you all insist was mine..."WOO-HOO!! Happiest
news I've heard all wk!! Run as fast as you can,
chickie - it's good for your *heart*, doncha know!"
What if "I" did have heart problems? Something to joke about? Not really.
But the sweet girl who did post it was not very impressed about your attack.
Oh yes, MS is lethal. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Good luck, and have fun.
CJ
"Lin" <kt...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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KG
orange juice, eggs, ice cream if you actually home to get it. I odn't
know if they stopped delivering or my mother had to return to work
after my father suffered an injury that made it impossible to work.
He took over her family biz and she went back to work.
KG
fhbyt...@aol.comferts4me (Lisa The Ferret Haven By the Sea) wrote in message news:<20030801105114...@mb-m15.aol.com>...
KG
she mispell's a word while insulting someone else. The sheer irony of
perfection.
KG
"Lin Ross" <lin_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<0huWa.15847$Sn.1...@wagner.videotron.net>...
jumpingmouse & kylie
she is saying Lin is related to the great Hippocrates or if she is giving
Lin an honorary doctorate degree complete with all the moral
responsibilities to John Q. Public, but she's waaaaaay out there! Hey CJ,
what is that you're smoking????
Greetings back at ya Lin Ross......!
jumpingmouse & kylie
"Lin Ross" <lin_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gary
Your dad sounds a lot like mine. Mine was a milk man, a paper man, a mail man,
etc., etc. He would take me with him to help, and it was a blast. I
particularly liked running the milk route with him, and partaking of the many
dairy delights we distributed (especially the ice cream). We'd get up very
early in the morning, unplug the milk truck compressor (that kept it cold over
night), and stop at a small cafe for coffee and doughnuts before we started. He
was the kind of milk delivery that would take the milk inside the home and
bring back the empties. Sometimes, in the fancy neighborhoods, I'd have to stay
in the truck, but sometimes, they'd invite *me* in, too. They would even give
us gifts at Christmas time. At the end of the day, we'd head back to the plant
("Borden") and restock our inventory on the truck. I remember how cold that
was, as the place where they kept it all was like a giant refrigerator. *sigh*
Those were the days.... :o)
oldmolly
s'funny you being Canadian.
My ex was Canadian too. And he was also an arsehole. I lived there for 2
years and had to come home in the end as I was sick of Canucks. They are
largely insincere,mostly refugees from eastern bloc countries,usually fat,
probaly from stuffing their faces with Tim Hortons doughnuts for breakfast,
and generally shallow. Amazing that you so fit the bill eh?
I don't think the majority are psychopathic like yourself though.
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Cap
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
From: "CJ" <ior...@rogers.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.anxiety-panic
Subject: Question!!!!
Message-ID: <hbxJa.168488$G_.7...@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:33:49 GMT
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I've been suffering from panic attacks and anxiety for a while now ,
it
happened many years ago the first time when I was living a tormented
love
story that I had finally ended!!!! The main symptoms were heart
palpitations
(I thought I was going to die or to have a heart attack) and
tachycardia...!!! It came again occasionally in my life (I'm 30 years
old!!!) and now , since a couple of months I've been experiencing this
awful
feeling again....!!! A month ago I felt so bad that I asked my husband
to
take me to the emergency , they tested my blood (I don't know what
they
tested !!!)and they did a cardiogram ....!!! The doctor at the end
said that
everything was fine with my heart .......and he thought I just needed
to
relax a bit and prescribed some Ativan pills!!!! How would they know
if I
have a heart problem with a cardiogram that lasted 2 seconds????/
Also my sexual life is awful now , I'm afraid if that and my husband
sees me
so fragile that he's afraid to even touch me since he doesn't know
when or
if I feel at all!!!!!!
I know my posting is quite long ......!!!! I'm just obsessed by the
fear
that I might have heart problems , that depresses me alot and at the
same
time I don't want to go to doctors anymore.....!!!!
Thanks
Cap
TOO funny....
****WARNING!! The advice given by "CJ" or "Mike" <ior...@rogers.com>
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
This from Her Highness
paghat
> 1- I have NEVER IN MY LIFE claimed to have a PhD in Clinical Psychology. I
> have a SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CLASSWORK TOWARDS my PhD in Clinical
> Psychology.
Same diff, who the hell cares, & pretty funny that you have to post
this a hundred times a year always in the context of flaming somoeone
smarter'n yourself, as CJ clearly is, whether or not that's saying
much!
Your pretending to have any degree at all, let alone posting time &
time again that you're "halfway" a PhD -- is that anything like being
halfway intelligent or halfway a human being? My old point remains
unchallenged, you bring this up whenever you want to flame your
betters "I'm almost a PhD and have a degree in psychology THEREFORE
you're a douchbag" is your common method of flaming, & not only is
that uneducated reasoning, it's a rather pitiful crutch to have to
pretend to an education you lack -- either PRETENDING to have a degree
in psychology & to have done an internship, elsetimes PRETENDING to be
a school teacher when you never have been anything more than a desk
receptionist. It wouldn't seem so pathetic if you ever had another
context than flaming to allege experiences & degrees you clearly do
not possess (unless of course the MS has long destroyed any practical
knowledge that might've been gained from the alleged education &
experirence; you certainly have never conveyed any actual working
knowledge). And I'm truly sorry you're so ashamed to have never
achieved more than being a receptionist. I've known receptionists of
considerable consequence in their lives & achievements, & that you're
still feeling stung a year later by the truth so that you have to
bring me up again. If your life sucks that bad, work on your life, &
stop dwelling on the fact that paghat knows you're a standard-issue
Usenut Fraud having found a good place to play make-believe.
I'm still convinced that back when you flamed Debbie for having a
college education THAT was when you let your own uneducted status slip
out. You have none, you feel badly you have none, you hate & envy
anyone who is educated, so now you pretend on UseNet that you are. Yet
when in a rage, like any liar, you sometimes fail to be consistent, &
so you got mad in public at Debbie for having gone to college.
You may have felt taking MY name in vain after a full year was a safe
flame gambit, but sometimes people forward copies of your kind of B-S
and ask me to correct the record. Which I have done.
-paghat the ratgirl
Cap
see, Lin's contacts, family, and Fed buddies are the real deal. Now
just how would I know that? Maybe the fact that for a couple of years
I spent time as a primary instructor at the Federal Law Enforcement
Training Center in Brunswick, GA. Small arms, tactics, and fire
suppression.
You keep pulling, and we'll keep feeding you rope.
Cap
is most likely wrong, possibly dangerous, and could cause your ferret
irreparable harm, not to mention comes from mentally unstable,
bi-polar bitch even further pissed off by her sexually inadequate
hubby.
From: "CJ" <ior...@rogers.com>
Bill Leary
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> porch - and milk in glass bottles with paper tops were delivered once a
week..
I remember those things too. In fact, I think my father still has it out in
the shed and keeps tools in it. I'll have to look next time I'm over there.
- Bill
Lin Ross
Lin
*slave to Poink, Bear, Cocoa Bean, Wizzer, Smokey, Panda, Dipstix, Buddy,
Puddin' and Puddin's evil offspring, Ash*
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"oldmolly" <oldm...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Gary
They're probably collectibles by now. I remember the gallon glass bottles with
the same cardboard top.