not smelling like a rose
Mark Zmyewski
EKNI4863 wrote:
>
> I LOVE MY STINKY BABIES, TWO MONTHS OLD, BUT THESE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS DON'T
> WORK VERY WELL. THEY HAVE BEEN DESCENTED,WASHED EVERY OTHER DAY,GIVEN THEM DIRT
> TO ROLL IN
> (I WAS TOLD THATS HOW THEY CLEAN THEMSELVES IN THE WILD) THEY LOVE IT BUT STILL
> SMELL. SPRAYS MASK THE ODOR FOR A HALF HOUR.
> YES, I'VE CLEANED THEIR EARS EVERY DAY! THEY PROBABLY THINK I'M THE
> ONE WITH THE ODOR PROBLEM! EKNI...@aol.com
Some people are more sensitive to ferret odor than others, but you
will get used to it. Please DO NOT wash them every other day! In
fact, only once a month is really necessary for most people. Some
people even go 6 months or so without bathing their fuzzies. The
more often you bathe them, the harder their bodies have to work to
replace to oils you've stripped from their skin. This work that
their bodies have to do will only negate the washing that you gave
them (more or less). Also, since it is getting colder outside, which
also means lower household humidity, frequent bathing aids in
producing VERY ITCHY ferrets!
Rolling around in dirt only compounds the problem. Anyway, they
wouldn't do this in the "wild" since these ferrets have never
existed in the wild. Nor do they now. If they *did*, however,
I'm quite sure they would enjoy it.
Johnson's Baby Shampoo is pretty good. It is tearless, so it doesn't
hurt your fuzzies' eyes. Right now, though, I am using some shampoo
by Shepherd & Greene that is pretty good. (The shampoo for the sables
smells like butterscotch!)
Most sprays only mask the odor for a little while. There is one
by PPP (I think) that is sold by Jeffers (1-800-JEFFERS) that works
quite well. The PPP shampoo and the conditioner is pretty good also.
Good luck!
-Mark Zmyewski
Cloud Nine Ferrets
Huntsville, AL
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Melissa
In article <19971212023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
ekni...@aol.com (EKNI4863) wrote:
>I LOVE MY STINKY BABIES, TWO MONTHS OLD, BUT THESE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS DON'T
>WORK VERY WELL.
What are you using?
>THEY HAVE BEEN DESCENTED,
I assume they have been spayed/neutered as well. Have they? It could
make a difference.
>WASHED EVERY OTHER DAY
Mistake #1. (see below)
>GIVEN THEM DIRT TO ROLL IN (I WAS TOLD THATS HOW THEY CLEAN THEMSELVES IN
THE WILD)
-ok... that would be a chinchilla!
>THEY LOVE IT BUT STILL SMELL.
They will love it and it's a great treat to allow them to do this before a
bath, but it's not going to help them with odors and it's not neccesary.
But it's really nice of you to let them do just for fun. (like I said...
before a bath)
SPRAYS MASK THE ODOR FOR A HALF HOUR.
If you're talking about room spray, be careful not to spray too much, it
could be unhealthy for them and you. Make sure it doesn't get in their
food.
>YES, I'VE CLEANED THEIR EARS EVERY DAY!
Once a week is enough. If they need it more often you should take them to
the vet to see if they have ear mites.
THEY PROBABLY THINK I'M THE
> ONE WITH THE ODOR PROBLEM! EKNI...@aol.com
Ok. You've done a REALLY good job of being attentive to their needs.
Now, let's try to make life easier -for you and them!
#1. Don't bathe more than once every two weeks. Bathing too often will
make them smell worse. Some people will tell you not to bathe them at
all. I think it IS helpful if you have a good shampoo. The one I use is
from the "ferret-stuff" catalogue so I don't know about commercial brands,
but maybe other people have ideas. I know I didn't find the "Four Paws"
shampoo to be too effective.
#2. It is ok to use a ferret conditioning spray (for this I DO like the
"four paws" brand) every few days in between shampoos if neccesary.
#3. Ears... like I said, have a vet check for ear mites if they need to
be cleaned more than once a week.
#4. Make sure you have a cage with non-absorbant floors and wipe it once
a week with a mild spray or soap and water. Same for the litterbox.
#5. Use washable bedding (towels, t-shirts etc) preferably synthetic
fibers because they don't hold odors as long. Change it at least once a
week, maybe twice. I spray these with the "four paws" spray before
washing and it helps.
#6. Litter. Personally, I've found the recycled newspaper kind to be the
least smelly. Clean it every day.
#7. Food. What are you feeding them? Some foods will make them stinkier
than others.
#8. Environment. If you (or they) are in a humid area they will smell
worse and the smells will linger in the air.
#9. You might want to consider getting a good air purifyer. They're
expensive though ($300 and up) the cheaper ones won't do much.
#10. Last but not least... the above things will work if you give them a
chance, but young ferrets can be stinky anyway! THey're growing, going
through some hormonal changes, growing new fur... all of these things
contribute to a stinky ferret! When they're full grown, and their coat
stops growing in you might notice a difference. However, even during
adult shedding seasons you might notice an increase in odor.
Try the things above. It may look like a long list, but believe me it
will be easier than bathing and cleaning their ears every day -that made
me feel bad for you and them! ;-) Good luck. e-mail me if you have more
questions. Remember to remove the "NoSpam" from the e-mail address.
-Melissa
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Ferretwoman
On 12 Dec 1997 02:37:04 GMT, ekni...@aol.com (EKNI4863) wrote:
>I LOVE MY STINKY BABIES, TWO MONTHS OLD, BUT THESE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS DON'T
>WORK VERY WELL. THEY HAVE BEEN DESCENTED,WASHED EVERY OTHER DAY,GIVEN THEM DIRT
>TO ROLL IN
>(I WAS TOLD THATS HOW THEY CLEAN THEMSELVES IN THE WILD) THEY LOVE IT BUT STILL
>SMELL. SPRAYS MASK THE ODOR FOR A HALF HOUR.
>YES, I'VE CLEANED THEIR EARS EVERY DAY! THEY PROBABLY THINK I'M THE
> ONE WITH THE ODOR PROBLEM! EKNI...@aol.com
First, use lowercase. It seems like you are yelling (which you may be
but we can hear you fine! :) ) Second, do not wash the poor ferrets
every other day. When they get washed, it takes the oils in their
skin away and they have to replenish these oils - that's what makes
them smell. Don't give them dirt. Let it be for a few days, keep
washing the towels or whatever you give them to sleep in, and after a
few days you should notice that they don't smell as bad. Plus, you
get used to the smell and don't even realize they smell any more.
I've had my guys for over two years and I don't smell them at all
unless I put my nose right up and sniff <G>. And you don't need to
clean their ears so often - once or twice a month should suffice!
Ferret Ma
I find the most effective way to keep ferret oder under control is
Bathe once a month.....I use FerretShien with my professional conditioner. I
also put Avon Skin so Soft in the bathwater.
Wash their hammocks, blankets and sleep sacks every 2 - 3 days.
I bathed my ferrets 2 weeks ago and they still smell as fresh as they did the
day they got their baths.
Their ears get cleaned every 2 weeks to a month depending on as needed and get
a good cleaning once a year from the vet.
Sincerely,
Lisa
FFerrets
>WASHED EVERY OTHER DAY
you are over bathing them with causes them to produce more oils which make them
in turn have a stronger odor. I have 12 ferrets and 1/2 of them still have
there scent glands and I bathe them no more than once every couple months and I
do not have an odor problem (I use Bio Groom Super White). Try bathing them
once a month.
Never heard of the dirt thing but I bet they think you are the best ferret mom,
I can just hear my guys "mom, can we have dirt too????"
TC
Stephen Ross
In article <19971212023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
ekni...@aol.com (EKNI4863) wrote:
> I LOVE MY STINKY BABIES, TWO MONTHS OLD, BUT THESE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS DON'T
> WORK VERY WELL. THEY HAVE BEEN DESCENTED,WASHED EVERY OTHER DAY,GIVEN
THEM DIRT
> TO ROLL IN
> (I WAS TOLD THATS HOW THEY CLEAN THEMSELVES IN THE WILD) THEY LOVE IT BUT
STILL
> SMELL. SPRAYS MASK THE ODOR FOR A HALF HOUR.
> YES, I'VE CLEANED THEIR EARS EVERY DAY! THEY PROBABLY THINK I'M THE
> ONE WITH THE ODOR PROBLEM! EKNI...@aol.com
Don't wash them every other day. This is the source of your odor problem.
The best thing you can do is read the FAQ, and keep their litter box, and
bedding clean. If you really want to keep them clean, give them fresh
bedding every day. By washing the ferrets skin so often their oil
production goes up. If you wash them moderately (ours get bathed every two
months or less) you will notice that their stinkiness peaks at ONE WEEK
after bathing, then subsides. If your fuzzies sleep in other places than
their beds (like YOUR bed, or blankets etc) you will want to wash those
too. It was hard to believe, the first couple of weeks we tried the
infrequent bathing routine but it does work.
As for the dirt, it's fun to play in, but you will notice your ferrets rub
their faces, bellies, and bums against your rugs and floor after eating or
pooping. This is how they clean themselves. They don't need dirt, they'll
happily use your carpet. They do it when they wake up too, on their
bedding. Keep their cage and bedding scrupulously clean and you will reduce
the smell. Any comments by folks who say "in the wild" are ill informed.
The relationship between ferrets (domesticated for thousands of years, and
truly domesticated, they do NOT survive in the wild at all) and their wild
mustelid cousins (weasels, mink, black footed ferret, European polecat) are
similar to those between dogs and wild canines such as wolves. No firm
hereditary link has been established (in fact dogs are thought to have come
from something more akin to jackals). When it comes to domestic ferrets,
their "natural habitat" is blankets or barns. They do share similar
behaviours: I had the distinct pleasure of walking in the prairies and
watching a least weasel, and a long tailed weasel do the "excited ferret
dance" bouncing and shaking their heads just like domestic ferrets and I've
seen documentaries and watched wolverines play just like ferrets. It is
reasonable to draw parallels, but incorrect to speak of "in the wild".
Unlike dogs or cats, ferrets can't even go "feral" and a ferret lost
outside is doomed to death by starvation or worse, unless rescued.
Please do not use Johnson's Baby Shampoo, yes, it is tearless, but although
it doesn't trigger pain reactions, it is actually harsher than other
available shampoos.
We've been happy with Four Paws products (no affiliation blah blah) we use
Ferret Glow shampoo, and when we visit non ferrety folks, we use Ferret
Deodorizing Spray, which is largely an odor mask, but does work well. If
you pay special attention to around the ears, tail, and belly, when
washing, and rinse VERY well, your ferrets will be clean and relatively
odor free. They will never be odor free completely. if you are
espescially sensitive to ferret odors, (and some folks are-I'm not), you
may wish to consider one of the dry shampoos (for ferrets, again Four Paws
has a good one), in between their monthly, or bi-monthly wet washes.
Their ears shouldn't be very smelly or dirty unless they have mites. Get
your vet to check. Clean their ears every week or two, and you should be
OK. Our weasels HATE getting wet Q-tips in their ears, so mostly we do it
with dry ones, but occasionally use something like OtiCalm cleansing
solutions by DVM Pharmaceuticals (no affiliation blah blah) which will
dissolve the wax and helps with odor control as well.
Sorry for the long windedness. You must be a very loving ferret owner, to
lavish such daily attention on your fuzzies. They are very lucky, but I'm
sure they'd prefer not to get bathed as often ;)
Stephen and the terrible twosome: Biff and Pepper
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Michael Downey
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:23:29 GMT, Ferre...@att.net (Ferretwoman)
wrote:
>On 12 Dec 1997 02:37:04 GMT, ekni...@aol.com (EKNI4863) wrote:
>
>>I LOVE MY STINKY BABIES, TWO MONTHS OLD, BUT THESE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS DON'T
>>WORK VERY WELL. THEY HAVE BEEN DESCENTED,WASHED EVERY OTHER DAY,GIVEN THEM DIRT
>>TO ROLL IN
>>(I WAS TOLD THATS HOW THEY CLEAN THEMSELVES IN THE WILD) THEY LOVE IT BUT STILL
>>SMELL. SPRAYS MASK THE ODOR FOR A HALF HOUR.
>>YES, I'VE CLEANED THEIR EARS EVERY DAY! THEY PROBABLY THINK I'M THE
>> ONE WITH THE ODOR PROBLEM! EKNI...@aol.com
>
>First, use lowercase. It seems like you are yelling (which you may be
>but we can hear you fine! :) ) Second, do not wash the poor ferrets
>every other day. When they get washed, it takes the oils in their
>skin away and they have to replenish these oils - that's what makes
>them smell. Don't give them dirt. Let it be for a few days, keep
>washing the towels or whatever you give them to sleep in, and after a
>few days you should notice that they don't smell as bad. Plus, you
>get used to the smell and don't even realize they smell any more.
>I've had my guys for over two years and I don't smell them at all
>unless I put my nose right up and sniff <G>. And you don't need to
>clean their ears so often - once or twice a month should suffice!
When first I got my ferret, Jack, I followed the guidance given to me
by the person I had gotten him from and from what I was able to find
to read. I gave him a bath once a week with a "special" shampoo
bought from the local department store. I also, clean his cage and
litter box often. Then I found that bathing him only once a month,
combined with cleaning his cage once a week with an anti-bacterial
cleaner( one of the kinds safe for kitchens and food-prep areas) along
with using a cheapo scented cat litter was enough to maintain a very
tolerable level of odor. I think if someone wants an odor-free pet,
perhaps they should try a pet rock (haha). btw - the great thing
about the scented cat litter is that it helps with the carpet in his
room when he throws a "fit" ;not to mention litter all over :o)
but seriuosly, you can't detect any pet odor when you walk in the
front door of my apartment (which is small and doesn't have great
ventilation. I may be lucky in having gotten a relatively low-scent
ferret...who knows.
Do you think that's it's ok to not bathe Jack?
SJCRS
>STINKY BABIES, TWO MONTHS OLD, <
I second the advice to not wash your ferrets as often, since overbathing
stimulates overproduction of the skin oils, and that's where the odor comes
from. Just keep their environment clean, change their bedding frequently, and
scoop the pan regularly, and that will control most of the odor.
Also, you should know that they'll outgrow a lot of their "stink." Kits tend
to smell a lot stronger than adults.
Carla Smith
WhyNot? Ferrets - Rescue/Assistance
Rio Grande Domestic Ferret Club
WhyNo...@aol.com
Melissa
In article <34920929....@news.sover.net>, vt...@hotmail.com wrote:
(lots of stuff snipped!)
>Do you think that's it's ok to not bathe Jack?
There is no reason why you ever have to bathe your ferret (unless they get
into something). Doing so is purely cosmetic and for our odor-free
benefit. :-) If you decided never to bathe your ferret again that would
be perfectly fine!
However, regular ear cleaning and nail clipping (once a week to once a
month) IS important.
Ferret Ma
>There is no reason why you ever have to bathe your ferret (unless they get
>into something). Doing so is purely cosmetic and for our odor-free
>benefit. :-) If you decided never to bathe your ferret again that would
>be perfectly fine!
Melissa,
I would love not to have to bathe my ferrets, however after about 2 months they
get greesy hair. So i bathe them once in a while. Besides they like swimming
in the tub to much not to let the do it once in a while.
Lisa
Melissa
Hi Lisa,
Hey I DEFINITELY bathe my ferrets! :-) He was just asking if it was OK
not to bathe them. I think it is ok if that's what someone chooses. I
don't think it would be detremental to the ferret as long as the odor
wasn't a problem for the owner. However, as I said, nails and ears are not
something to be skipped out on. That would be a problem.
Gald your ferrets like swimming! Mine can't get out fast enough;-).
-Melissa
article <19971213231...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ferr...@aol.com
(Ferret Ma) wrote:
-Melissa
Mark Zmyewski
Stephen Ross wrote:
<snip>
> Please do not use Johnson's Baby Shampoo, yes, it is tearless, but although
> it doesn't trigger pain reactions, it is actually harsher than other
> available shampoos.
>
> We've been happy with Four Paws products (no affiliation blah blah) we use
> Ferret Glow shampoo, and when we visit non ferrety folks, we use Ferret
> Deodorizing Spray, which is largely an odor mask, but does work well.
<snip, again>
Why would you want to keep someone from using Johnson's? It is
perfectly fine, IMHO. You imply that it is so harsh that is would
actually do harm to the ferret.
We run a shelter and cannot always spend the kind of money the REAL
ferret shampoos cost. Johnson's does not seem to dry the skin, cause
rashes, or anything else. Plus, after about a day or two, it doesn't
matter WHAT you used to wash them with, they all end up smelling like
a ferret, anyway. :-)
-Mark Zmyewski
Cloud Nine Ferrets
Huntsville, Alabama
k t
Human shampoo is too harsh for ferrets. Their skin is not the same
as ours. I know other people have told me they use it, but it is not
made for ferrets. Cats and ferrets are similar in their needs-foods
etc.-but ferrets are very different from humans. Human shampoos are too
strong for their skin, oils, and hair. I know some people who say they
have used it for years. But do you know for certain it hasn't caused
some health problems for them. I'll stick with ferret or cat shampoos so
I won't have to wonder about their health problems.
Katusha and her boys
Moose, Dandy and Basil
Billy Ramos & Jennifer Coyer
I would agree that most human shampoos are too harsh to use on any animal,
escpecially a ferret. But as a certified vet tech, I know that Johnson's
Baby Shampoo is an exception. It is desirable and safe not only because it
is tear-free and formulated for a babies soft skin, but is also ideal
because it doesn't strip away oils(which would cause dry skin and
itchiness). It is very similar to epi-soothe oatmeal shampoo, which is
designed for cats, dogs and ferrets (only available through your vet). Vets
recommend epi-soothe and johnson's baby shampoo for pets with sensitive skin
and/or those with allergies. I use both and am very happy with the results.
They both are extremely mild. I only bath my fuzzbutts every 2-4 weeks, and
they have healthy shiny beautiful coats.
Jennifer M. Coyer CVT
Lee
On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:59:16 -0700, Billy Ramos & Jennifer Coyer
wrote:
:>I would agree that most human shampoos are too harsh to use on any animal,
:>escpecially a ferret. But as a certified vet tech, I know that Johnson's
:>Baby Shampoo is an exception. It is desirable and safe not only because it
The "tearless" part of Johnson's is an anesthetic that deadens
the skin, mucus membranes, and eyes. This does not make it
gentle. I personally--and this is only my own experience and
opinion--find the baby shampoo to be very harsh and drying to MY
hair and scalp.
Many human shampoos contain the same ingredients as animal
shampoos, often in the same combinations. Compare the labels!
Pet shampoos often contain MORE perfume and bluing dyes than
human shampoos.
If you choose to use a human shampoo for your pet, the "bargain"
brands like Suave and St. Ives are generally the
gentlest--Pantene and other "stylist formula" shampoos WOULD be
too harsh. Use a moisturizing shampoo.
For the record, I bathe my girls probably three times a year--if
they get into something that needs to be washed off, and during
their spring "molt" when they start to smell a little gamey.
They come into the shower with me and get washed with MY
shampoo. In this context (infrequent bathing), buying the
ferrets their own shampoo seems extravagant--which is why I
started checking labels. I might be thinking differently if they
had to be washed monthly.
One thing that has come in handy for me for "spot-cleaning" has
been Dr Bronner's 8-in-1 soaps, which are sold in most health
food stores and in the "natural foods" section of some grocery
stores. You really have to dilute these down a lot to be able to
use them on the ferrets--the peppermint and lavendar "flavors"
especially.
-- Lee
Mark Zmyewski
So, basically, all of the debate boils down to..."use your own
judgement". The FAQ that I have doesn't talk about specific
shampoos to use. Johnson's is just fine, IMHO. All of the
people who think that it's too drying have to also remember
that ANYTHING used too frequently will be drying.
I will continue using Johnson's because it works. Do you have
any proof that using Johnson's once a month actually CAUSES
problems? If so, I'd like to see it. I cannot spend $10 a
bottle for the so-called "Ferret Shampoos", when I have a
shelter to run.
If anyone feels so strongly that using a shampoo that is gentle
enough to use on human babies is too drying, caustic, etc., when
used once a month, PLEASE send me a case of your favorite shampoo
and I'll be glad to use it! :-)
-Mark Zmyewski
Cloud Nine Ferrets
Huntville, AL
Michael Downey
Thanx for the info on not bathing ferrets. I haven't had to bathe
Jack in a couple of weeks now. I will, however, continue to monitor
his health and behavior to see if he wouldn't like or need a bath. My
experiecne with him, so far, has been that he HATES the water and
seems to have less of an odor than when I was trying to bath him once
a week.
Now then, what's all this about keeping ears clean???? I trim Jacks
nail about once a week because they turn razor-sharp if I dont' and
the kids don't like to be shredded. ;o)
On 14 Dec 1997 02:54:24 GMT, meliss...@NoSpamworldnet.att.net
Melissa
Ears.... ok, here goes!
There are several different ways to do this. There are commercial ferret
ear washes where you squirt a little in the ear, rub it in, then wipe away
any excess with a cotton swab. -Haven't tried this myself.
The other way is to use a Q-tip. Some people moisten it with hydrogen
peroxide, others moisten it with baby oil. I'm not sure which is best.
In this instance, you don't pour anything into the ear, just miosten the
Q-tip, squeeze out the excess, and gently swab around the outer ear.
Don't stick it down into the hole in the ear or you could do some serious
damage and puncture an eardrum. Just wipe out the wax that collects in
the folds of the outer ear. The wax will look orange or brown. Once a
week is plenty. Sometimes once a month or longer is ok too. Depends on
what kind of build-up you're getting. If you find that just a few days
after you clean the ear, it's full of brown and orange-ish wax again, then
you might have earmites. This needs a special wash from the vet to
treat. You can have earmites without the ferret showing any signs of
itchiness or discomfort.
That's about it. BTW, ferrets are NOT fond of having their ears cleaned!
I do it myself, but it's much easier if one person is scruffing them and
distracting with a treat while the other cleans.
Good luck
-Melissa
Strife
In article <3494B8...@nospam.hiwaay.net>, zmma...@nospam.hiwaay.net
says...
>
>So, basically, all of the debate boils down to..."use your own
>judgement". The FAQ that I have doesn't talk about specific
>shampoos to use. Johnson's is just fine, IMHO. All of the
>people who think that it's too drying have to also remember
>that ANYTHING used too frequently will be drying.
>
>I will continue using Johnson's because it works. Do you have
>any proof that using Johnson's once a month actually CAUSES
>problems? If so, I'd like to see it. I cannot spend $10 a
>bottle for the so-called "Ferret Shampoos", when I have a
>shelter to run.
>
>If anyone feels so strongly that using a shampoo that is gentle
>enough to use on human babies is too drying, caustic, etc., when
>used once a month, PLEASE send me a case of your favorite shampoo
>and I'll be glad to use it! :-)
>
>
>-Mark Zmyewski
> Cloud Nine Ferrets
> Huntville, AL
I used to use this all of the time on my ferrets with no ill effects, the only
reason I stopped using it is that I wasn't too fond of the shampoos smell.
But never had a problem with it drying out they're skin etc...
Kim (Tika,Ciani,Sierra,Nosferretu,Perseus and Majyck the APBT of love)
David Morgenlender
Melissa,
>However, as I said, nails and ears are not
>something to be skipped out on. That would be a problem.
I've been told that it really is not necessary to clean the ears. What's the
story? Why is it necessary?
=======================================================
Dave Morgenlender
e-mail: dmo...@alum.mit.edu
=======================================================
Melissa
Hi Dave,
It depends on the ferret actually. One of mine gets a brown waxy build-up
every couple of weeks. Then she starts shaking her head and scratching
her ears. So I clean them. My other one get's her ears cleaned once a
month or less because there's nothing there to clean! If waxy-type
build-up comes back in a day or two, then you're dealing with earmites
-but that's a different story.
I guess it would be more appropriate to say "keeping ferret's ears clean"
is important rather than saying "cleaning their ears". Clearly, if their
ears are already pretty clean, then there's no need for you to clean them
at all! :-)
Some people also claim that excess wax in dirty ears add's to the
stinkiness of a ferret. I haven't experienced this personally. Maybe
that's if the ears get REALLY bad.
So, I kind of take my other post back. It's not so important that YOU
clean the ears on a regular basis, but it is important that you check the
ears regularly and make sure that they're staying relatively clean. And if
they're not... help 'em out!
-Better? :-)
Happy Holidays!
-Melissa
In article <34a3496f....@snews.zippo.com>, dmo...@alum.mit.edu
(David Morgenlender) wrote:
-Melissa
