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L.A. sheriff's deputies shoot at dog, firing bullets that bounce and kill teen, officials say
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Leroy N. Soetoro
Jun 23, 2017, 12:58:15 PM6/23/17
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20170622-story.html
Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies mistakenly shot and killed a
teenager in Palmdale early Thursday when their bullets bounced off the
ground as they opened fire on an aggressive dog, sheriff’s officials said.
The 17-year-old was struck in the chest by at least one “skip” round
several yards from the deputies as they fired several shots at a charging
pit bull just after 3:40 a.m., officials said. Investigators believe the
deputies did not notice the teenager in the darkness, the department said.
Moments earlier, the dog had bitten one of the deputies and the teenager
had restrained the animal so that it wouldn’t attack again. The bitten
deputy did not fire but was struck in his right leg by a fragment of a
bullet fired by a fellow deputy that bounced off the ground in the
shooting.
The teen was identified by family members as Armando Garcia-Muro, who was
about to enter his senior year at R. Rex Parris High School in Palmdale.
The eldest of four siblings, he loved dogs and aspired to go into
construction, said his mother, Roberta Alcantar.
“He would give his life for anybody,” she said. “He was a very loving
person.”
In a news conference at the scene hours after the shooting, Capt.
Christopher Bergner of the Sheriff’s Department Homicide Bureau said it
appeared that both the teen and the deputy had been struck by rounds that
ricocheted off the ground when deputies fired at the charging animal.
“He may have been struck by one of the skip rounds in what we’re calling
an extremely, extremely unfortunate incident,” Bergner said. “Our initial
impression was [the deputies] didn’t even see the individual coming around
from the side of the building.”
Five deputies were present at the time of the shooting but only two fired,
discharging six to eight rounds, Bergner said.
Authorities said deputies had gone to an apartment complex in the 38500
block of 10th Street East around 3:40 a.m. in response to a call about a
loud party. As they arrived, a pit bull charged at them and bit one of the
deputies in the left knee, Bergner said.
The teenager restrained the animal and brought it to the rear of the
complex, which was around a corner, Bergner said. Meanwhile, the deputies
retreated from the home to call for backup and medical units, who arrived
and checked on the bitten deputy’s injuries.
At some point, the pit bull broke free and charged at the deputies again.
Bergner said the dog was a full-grown male that weighed 60 to 65 pounds
and was 5 to 7 feet away from the deputies when they opened fire.
The dog was struck and retreated to a carport area at the rear of the
complex, the Sheriff’s Department said. Deputies decided to try to corral
the dog to prevent anyone else from being attacked, but as they approached
the carport they noticed the boy on the ground wounded.
Deputies provided medical aid before paramedics arrived and took him to
Antelope Valley Hospital, where he died.
Garcia-Muro’s aunt, Amber Alcantar, said deputies told her the teen was
shot while trying to stop the dog from attacking deputies a second time.
She said she heard a knock on her door in the early morning. It was
Garcia-Muro’s friend, who was frantically looking for the boy’s mother.
The youngster was holding a pair of bloodied shoes. They were Garcia-
Muro’s, Alcantar said.
“Obviously something was wrong,” she said. She and Garcia-Muro’s mother
went to two hospitals in search of him, but couldn’t find him and
eventually returned home.
The dog's owner, who lives at the apartment complex where the shooting
occurred, declined to give her name because she had “too many things going
on with the law right now.”
She said the dog is a 3-year-old blue-nosed pit bull. Her home is used as
a local hangout by some of the neighborhood kids, she said.
“They are all my friends,” the woman said. “They are good kids. They come
over and they listen to music.”
The neighborhood children were hanging out and listening to music like
they ordinarily do, she said Thursday. Her dog was off its leash, but was
well-mannered, she said.
She was skeptical of the deputies’ claims that her dog attacked them.
“That's not my dog. That's not his personality,” she said.
The deputy who was bitten and later struck by a bullet fragment was
treated at a local hospital and released, Bergner said. The dog was shot
and survived but will be euthanized.
Under the department’s use-of-force policy, deputies are allowed to fire
at animals if they “reasonably believe” that they’re about to be killed or
be seriously injured by the animal.
Bergner said any time a deputy fires a duty weapon, he or she is put on
temporary desk duty while the incident is investigated.
The Los Angeles district attorney’s office has previously determined that
officers are justified when firing at dogs that pose an immediate threat,
even if the officers’ bullets end up injuring someone else at the scene.
In 2014, a deputy fired a shotgun at a dog biting his leg and mistakenly
wounded a resident who was struck in the leg by pellets that rebounded off
the ground. Prosecutors wrote in a memo that the man’s injures were an
“accidental” result of the deputy’s “lawful discharge of his shotgun” and
did not constitute a crime.
A similar result came in 2009 when local prosecutors reviewed a shooting
in which a man claimed to have been shot when a probation officer opened
fire at a charging pit bull. The district attorney’s office concluded it
was unclear if the man’s injury was caused by a bullet, but that the
officer was justified and that any injury was “accidental and unavoidable
given the circumstances.”
All police shootings, even ones that could be deemed “justified,” come
with risks, said Sam Walker, a nationally recognized expert on policing.
“If you miss a person, who knows where that bullet goes,” said Walker, a
retired criminal justice professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha.
“That’s the reason most departments ban warning shots or shots at moving
vehicles. You don’t know where the bullet is gonna go.”
--
Donald J. Trump, 304 electoral votes to 227, defeated compulsive liar in
denial Hillary Rodham Clinton on December 19th, 2016. The clown car
parade of the democrat party has run out of gas.
Congratulations President Trump. Thank you for ending the disaster of the
Obama presidency.
Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
The World According To Garp.
ObamaCare is a total 100% failure and no lie that can be put forth by its
supporters can dispute that.
Obama jobs, the result of ObamaCare. 12-15 working hours a week at minimum
wage, no benefits and the primary revenue stream for ObamaCare. It can't
be funded with money people don't have, yet liberals lie about how great
it is.
Obama increased total debt from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in the eight
years he was in office, and sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood queer
liberal democrat donors.
20170622-story.html
Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies mistakenly shot and killed a
teenager in Palmdale early Thursday when their bullets bounced off the
ground as they opened fire on an aggressive dog, sheriff’s officials said.
The 17-year-old was struck in the chest by at least one “skip” round
several yards from the deputies as they fired several shots at a charging
pit bull just after 3:40 a.m., officials said. Investigators believe the
deputies did not notice the teenager in the darkness, the department said.
Moments earlier, the dog had bitten one of the deputies and the teenager
had restrained the animal so that it wouldn’t attack again. The bitten
deputy did not fire but was struck in his right leg by a fragment of a
bullet fired by a fellow deputy that bounced off the ground in the
shooting.
The teen was identified by family members as Armando Garcia-Muro, who was
about to enter his senior year at R. Rex Parris High School in Palmdale.
The eldest of four siblings, he loved dogs and aspired to go into
construction, said his mother, Roberta Alcantar.
“He would give his life for anybody,” she said. “He was a very loving
person.”
In a news conference at the scene hours after the shooting, Capt.
Christopher Bergner of the Sheriff’s Department Homicide Bureau said it
appeared that both the teen and the deputy had been struck by rounds that
ricocheted off the ground when deputies fired at the charging animal.
“He may have been struck by one of the skip rounds in what we’re calling
an extremely, extremely unfortunate incident,” Bergner said. “Our initial
impression was [the deputies] didn’t even see the individual coming around
from the side of the building.”
Five deputies were present at the time of the shooting but only two fired,
discharging six to eight rounds, Bergner said.
Authorities said deputies had gone to an apartment complex in the 38500
block of 10th Street East around 3:40 a.m. in response to a call about a
loud party. As they arrived, a pit bull charged at them and bit one of the
deputies in the left knee, Bergner said.
The teenager restrained the animal and brought it to the rear of the
complex, which was around a corner, Bergner said. Meanwhile, the deputies
retreated from the home to call for backup and medical units, who arrived
and checked on the bitten deputy’s injuries.
At some point, the pit bull broke free and charged at the deputies again.
Bergner said the dog was a full-grown male that weighed 60 to 65 pounds
and was 5 to 7 feet away from the deputies when they opened fire.
The dog was struck and retreated to a carport area at the rear of the
complex, the Sheriff’s Department said. Deputies decided to try to corral
the dog to prevent anyone else from being attacked, but as they approached
the carport they noticed the boy on the ground wounded.
Deputies provided medical aid before paramedics arrived and took him to
Antelope Valley Hospital, where he died.
Garcia-Muro’s aunt, Amber Alcantar, said deputies told her the teen was
shot while trying to stop the dog from attacking deputies a second time.
She said she heard a knock on her door in the early morning. It was
Garcia-Muro’s friend, who was frantically looking for the boy’s mother.
The youngster was holding a pair of bloodied shoes. They were Garcia-
Muro’s, Alcantar said.
“Obviously something was wrong,” she said. She and Garcia-Muro’s mother
went to two hospitals in search of him, but couldn’t find him and
eventually returned home.
The dog's owner, who lives at the apartment complex where the shooting
occurred, declined to give her name because she had “too many things going
on with the law right now.”
She said the dog is a 3-year-old blue-nosed pit bull. Her home is used as
a local hangout by some of the neighborhood kids, she said.
“They are all my friends,” the woman said. “They are good kids. They come
over and they listen to music.”
The neighborhood children were hanging out and listening to music like
they ordinarily do, she said Thursday. Her dog was off its leash, but was
well-mannered, she said.
She was skeptical of the deputies’ claims that her dog attacked them.
“That's not my dog. That's not his personality,” she said.
The deputy who was bitten and later struck by a bullet fragment was
treated at a local hospital and released, Bergner said. The dog was shot
and survived but will be euthanized.
Under the department’s use-of-force policy, deputies are allowed to fire
at animals if they “reasonably believe” that they’re about to be killed or
be seriously injured by the animal.
Bergner said any time a deputy fires a duty weapon, he or she is put on
temporary desk duty while the incident is investigated.
The Los Angeles district attorney’s office has previously determined that
officers are justified when firing at dogs that pose an immediate threat,
even if the officers’ bullets end up injuring someone else at the scene.
In 2014, a deputy fired a shotgun at a dog biting his leg and mistakenly
wounded a resident who was struck in the leg by pellets that rebounded off
the ground. Prosecutors wrote in a memo that the man’s injures were an
“accidental” result of the deputy’s “lawful discharge of his shotgun” and
did not constitute a crime.
A similar result came in 2009 when local prosecutors reviewed a shooting
in which a man claimed to have been shot when a probation officer opened
fire at a charging pit bull. The district attorney’s office concluded it
was unclear if the man’s injury was caused by a bullet, but that the
officer was justified and that any injury was “accidental and unavoidable
given the circumstances.”
All police shootings, even ones that could be deemed “justified,” come
with risks, said Sam Walker, a nationally recognized expert on policing.
“If you miss a person, who knows where that bullet goes,” said Walker, a
retired criminal justice professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha.
“That’s the reason most departments ban warning shots or shots at moving
vehicles. You don’t know where the bullet is gonna go.”
--
Donald J. Trump, 304 electoral votes to 227, defeated compulsive liar in
denial Hillary Rodham Clinton on December 19th, 2016. The clown car
parade of the democrat party has run out of gas.
Congratulations President Trump. Thank you for ending the disaster of the
Obama presidency.
Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
The World According To Garp.
ObamaCare is a total 100% failure and no lie that can be put forth by its
supporters can dispute that.
Obama jobs, the result of ObamaCare. 12-15 working hours a week at minimum
wage, no benefits and the primary revenue stream for ObamaCare. It can't
be funded with money people don't have, yet liberals lie about how great
it is.
Obama increased total debt from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in the eight
years he was in office, and sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood queer
liberal democrat donors.
Just Wondering
Jun 23, 2017, 4:57:17 PM6/23/17
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On 6/23/2017 10:58 AM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-palmdale-deputy-shooting-
> 20170622-story.html
>
> Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies mistakenly shot and killed a
> teenager in Palmdale early Thursday when their bullets bounced off the
> ground as they opened fire on an aggressive dog, sheriff’s officials said.
>
Probably FMJ bullets. Ricocheting bullets is another reason
> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-palmdale-deputy-shooting-
> 20170622-story.html
>
> Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies mistakenly shot and killed a
> teenager in Palmdale early Thursday when their bullets bounced off the
> ground as they opened fire on an aggressive dog, sheriff’s officials said.
>
to use hollow points instead of ball ammo.
Scout
Jun 24, 2017, 2:57:19 AM6/24/17
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"Just Wondering" <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Ngf3B.21779$GV1....@fx05.iad...
If you really wanted to insure safety then you would use a pre-segmented
unjacketed soft lead bullet, which would tend to fracture into small
fragments upon impact with any hard surface thus reducing the danger to
bystanders down range.
>
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