RFI: Villiers Mk 12
Myk Rushton
Slightly off topic but does anybody have any info on the Villiers Mk 12
stationary engine?
I've managed to pick up a none running but not seized engine at the local
dump for $5 (1.50 ukpounds). It's a bit rusty and has a few things missing,
petrol cap, carburettor sump and some links but the ripcord starter wheel is
broken so I'm hoping it was dumped originally because it couldn't be started
(on the other hand the starter whell could have been broken because it
wouldn't start!). I
bought it with a view getting it running as a winter project but wonder also
if I'd be able to use it in conjunction with an alternator to charge the
battery which will be powering a 12v water pump at my tree nursery.
So far I've found out the following
Bore 55mm
Stroke 50mm
Capacity 120cc
BHP Mk 12 1.2 hp @ 2000rpm
BHP Mk 12 HS 1.95 hp @ 3400rpm
Tappet Clearance - Inlet and Exhaust Minimun .006in Maximum .012in
Points Clearance .012in / .016in
Any information/history/advice/ridicule :-) etc gratefully accepted
Myk
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Peter Wibberley
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Hi Myk
The villiers was/is a very good motor... although the ones I've had have all
had very worn carburettors.... the best place for advice would be a local
(or internet) group who restore these old motors... there are various
restoration groups which travel around their respective districts showing
these stationary motors in all there glory.... I just stand and watch em for
ages......
Try http://www.oldengine.org/members/harrold/
or
http://www.webmania.com.au/se/
I think Mark has a villiers he's restoring...a 2 hp model iirc.
I have a couple of old ones, out the back.... I'll check them in the morning
to see if I can get any useful info from them.
see ya
Pete
reedbed
>
>I think Mark has a villiers he's restoring...a 2 hp model iirc.
Restoring - yes, in the sense that it's been sitting in the middle of
the floor of the house since I brought it home :-)
Mine actually works, though - just need a tuit to bolt it on to the
2-wheel tractor, but I also need to get a bit of engineering done on
that first. Don't know which model it is. Someone who knows told me
that it was always the carb that went first, and so they're pretty
rare.
Should be plenty of power to run a 12v pump. We used to direct drive a
small caravan pump from a PV panel - it's surprising how little light
you need to keep up a good flow.
We also have a Rolls Royce alternator which was run from another
(Briggs and Stratton) engine for 12V power. In fact I'm gathering
quite a collection of scrap, erm I mean useful machinery...
Mark
Heather
Myk Rushton wrote in message <
>Greetings
>
>Slightly off topic but does anybody have any info on the Villiers Mk 12
>stationary engine?
> I bought it with a view getting it running as a winter project
HA! Now where have I heard those words before? :-)
>Any information/history/advice/ridicule :-) etc gratefully accepted
Old, rusty, non-working engines breed like rabbits.
Heather
Heather
Peter Wibberley wrote in message ...
>I think Mark has a villiers he's restoring...
HA!
Heather
Myk Rushton
I knew somebody in the past had mentioned Villiers :-)
Thanks for the links and the advice, I checked out the links on the first
site but the only group mentioned in NZ is the South Island Tractor group
and I don't think a 1.2Hp stationary engine qualifies :-)
> these stationary motors in all there glory.... I just stand and watch em
for
> ages......
I used to go to lots of Steam Rallies in the UK but there doesn't appear to
be any over here :-( Like you I also used to love to watch them but also I
like the sound of them.
> I have a couple of old ones, out the back.... I'll check them in the
morning
> to see if I can get any useful info from them.
I'm looking for pictures at the moment for an idea of what the bottom of the
carb looks like so I know what I'm looking for and what the carb linkage
looks like
Myk
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Malcolm
<permac...@wave.co.nz> wrote:
>I knew somebody in the past had mentioned Villiers :-)
>
>Thanks for the links and the advice, I checked out the links on the first
>site but the only group mentioned in NZ is the South Island Tractor group
>and I don't think a 1.2Hp stationary engine qualifies :-)
>
Myk,
I was looking through the newsgroup list for the uk.* heirarchy
just now and found this : uk.rec.engines.stationary
I realise it aint in NZ, but they may be able to help with info, pics
whatever etc
On the other hand it may be a misnomer like uk.rec.sheds :-))
Malcolm.
Peter Wibberley
snip
>
> I'm looking for pictures at the moment for an idea of what the bottom of
the
> carb looks like so I know what I'm looking for and what the carb linkage
> looks like
If It's any help Myk... I just checked out one of the models I have (the
other one is hiding in the shed)
This one is a 40 HS the carby is a zenith (english of course) model 24T.2
The linkage is attached to a fixed pivot on the crankcase about 20 cm below
the carby, one (long) end is connected via a rod to the carby butterfly,
which is in the throat between the air cleaner and the carby body.
(looking side on at the carby) the long side is on the right.
The other (short) end is attached via a spring to a fixed (but adjustable)
stud attachment just underneath the carby.
The bottom half of the carby comprises the bowl and attached (right side)
fuel tap.
The makers plate says "Villiers Australia PTY Ltd, Ballarat, Victoria"
I'll try to get to look at the other engine (need to do a bit of mountain
climbing) :-)
HTH
see ya
Pete
Myk Rushton
>
> This one is a 40 HS the carby is a zenith (english of course) model 24T.2
Mine has a Villier's carb Model B10/1, but with the information you provided
I sused out the linkage that is there.
> The linkage is attached to a fixed pivot on the crankcase about 20 cm
below
> the carby, one (long) end is connected via a rod to the carby butterfly,
> which is in the throat between the air cleaner and the carby body.
> (looking side on at the carby) the long side is on the right.
> The other (short) end is attached via a spring to a fixed (but adjustable)
> stud attachment just underneath the carby.
Looking at the back of the engine the carb is on the right. The linkage is
also a fixed pivot slightly to the left and below the bottom of the carb
(minus bowl) the long end of this is connected via a flat rod to the carb.
The short end of the rod has several small holes in it. From what I can see
a spring fits between the short end of the long linkage and an adjuster 5cm
above it.
Am I to understand that such engines were started and immediatly revved to
their operating speed at which they then remain until stopped?
> The bottom half of the carby comprises the bowl and attached (right side)
> fuel tap.
The bowl is it glass? There is a fuel tap on the tank, is there another
before the carb?
> The makers plate says "Villiers Australia PTY Ltd, Ballarat, Victoria"
Mine says Villiers Engineering Co Ltd, Wolverhampton Eng. The serial number
is 614a 10608.
> I'll try to get to look at the other engine (need to do a bit of mountain
> climbing) :-)
So long as its not to much trouble?
Thanks for the help
Myk
--
reedbed
>
>On the other hand it may be a misnomer like uk.rec.sheds :-))
>
Don't you just hate that :-)
Hi Malcolm - have you been absent, or just lurking ? Welcome back.
Mark
Myk Rushton
Heather <hkth...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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>
> Myk Rushton wrote in message <
> >Greetings
> >
> >Slightly off topic but does anybody have any info on the Villiers Mk 12
> >stationary engine?
>
> > I bought it with a view getting it running as a winter project
>
> HA! Now where have I heard those words before? :-)
<grin>
>
> >Any information/history/advice/ridicule :-) etc gratefully accepted
> Old, rusty, non-working engines breed like rabbits.
> Heather
ROFL
Myk
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Peter Wibberley
> Mine has a Villier's carb Model B10/1, but with the information you
provided
> I sused out the linkage that is there.
snip
> Looking at the back of the engine the carb is on the right. The linkage is
> also a fixed pivot slightly to the left and below the bottom of the carb
> (minus bowl) the long end of this is connected via a flat rod to the carb.
> The short end of the rod has several small holes in it. From what I can
see
> a spring fits between the short end of the long linkage and an adjuster
5cm
> above it.
Hi Myk
I managed to get at the other motor phew!!! it's a mark 25... same maker as
the other one.... but the carby differs in that the air cleaner carby and
bowl are all in a vertcal line... couldn't see any numbers or names on
it...... it has a butterfly valve lever on the main throat and the word
'open' above it.. and the linkage is more like the one you explained....
Looking directly at it .. it is L shaped with the long end being near
vertical.......no fuel tap just a 'tickler' on the left.... the bowl is cast
alloy and is about 50mm in dia, with a drain tap on the bottom.
If the bottom half of yours is missing it looks like it's just the bowl and
float that you need.... the 'tickler' just pushes the float down to let
gravity fed petrol enter the float chamber.
>
> Am I to understand that such engines were started and immediatly revved to
> their operating speed at which they then remain until stopped?
That's pretty much it Myk ... there appears to be no throttle on either of
my machines and no indication that there has ever been one..... the only
adjustment is on the linkage.
The 40 HS was originally on a bale lifter.. and would be run at the same
revs till the job was finished (no idea where the 25 came from).
> The bowl is it glass? There is a fuel tap on the tank, is there another
> before the carb?
The bowl is cast alloy same as the rest of the carb body on both motors...
on the 25 there is no other fuel tap (fuel tank missing) ... on the 40HS the
tap is on the carby not on the tank.
> Mine says Villiers Engineering Co Ltd, Wolverhampton Eng. The serial
number
> is 614a 10608.
I did another web search for Villiers but came up with nothing.... tried
most of the links and no one seems to have a pic of this type of motor......
perhaps if you talk nicely to Mark, he may take a close up of his
carburettor... and scan it ??? :-)
HTH
see ya
Pete
Peter Wibberley
Peter Wibberley <mailto:pe...@twpo.com> wrote in message
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snip
> I did another web search for Villiers but came up with nothing.... tried
> most of the links and no one seems to have a pic of this type of
motor......
check out
www.oldengine.org/members/benier/Villiers.html
see ya
Pete
Myk Rushton
> I was looking through the newsgroup list for the uk.* heirarchy
> just now and found this : uk.rec.engines.stationary
>
> I realise it aint in NZ, but they may be able to help with info, pics
> whatever etc
Thanks, I found the ng on my NZ server, I'll lurk around for a while and get
the feel of the place before I ask any questions but it seems a reasonably
nice group. I had to laugh at the first message that was d/l, How are you
supposed to stop Lister D? :-)
Thanks for your help
Myk
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Myk Rushton
> check out
> www.oldengine.org/members/benier/Villiers.html
Ha, yes there he is (I've started referring to the engine as a him because
Heather insinuated that they weren't very useful if not attended to ;-))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/benier/MARK12FRONT.JPG Generally looks the
same as mine except where the ID panel is on the one in the pic mine has the
Villers embossed logo (the same logo appears to be on the top on the one in
the picture) my ID panel is on the left hand side face below the exhaust
baffle also it is screwed into place not pop riveted. The exhaust baffle is
different to mine aswell. Perhaps the one shown is an Australian model?
I'm in a bit of trouble with 'him' already as I left him on his side after
looking at the linkage ontop of the top loading washing machine and he's
dripped oil all over the lid and into the drum! More proof that it is male
;-)
Still looking for a picture of the crab, but a friend has apparently got a
copy a carb manual for several models that used to belong to his dad so I'm
off to go and have a look at that.
I keep you informed.
Myk
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Holly
Myk Rushton wrote in message
>
>because Heather insinuated that they weren't very useful if not
>attended to ;-))
I'm pleased to hear this Myk, it makes a change :-) Why do so many men
refer to engines, tractors etc as 'she'??
Holly
reedbed
>perhaps if you talk nicely to Mark, he may take a close up of his
>carburettor... and scan it ??? :-)
Go on then, I'm waiting... :-)
Mark
Wesley Trotman
If you want to run an alternator then halve the engine power out put.
ie, 1.2 hp = 895 watts so this should run a 450 to 350 watt alternator
output , if alternator puts out 14 volts and has an efficiency of 80% this
should give you about 30 amps.
I have a mark25 villiers sitting in my shed, as far as I can see it has no
spark and the starting pulley is broken, but compression feels ok. So I will
be interested to know if spares can be obtained. I can fix the rope pulley
but may need ignition parts.
Good luck
Wes.
Myk Rushton <permac...@wave.co.nz> wrote in message
news:8cs498$bua$1...@news.wave.co.nz...
> Greetings
>
> Slightly off topic but does anybody have any info on the Villiers Mk 12
> stationary engine?
>
> I've managed to pick up a none running but not seized engine at the local
> dump for $5 (1.50 ukpounds). It's a bit rusty and has a few things
missing,
> petrol cap, carburettor sump and some links but the ripcord starter wheel
is
> broken so I'm hoping it was dumped originally because it couldn't be
started
> (on the other hand the starter whell could have been broken because it
> wouldn't start!). I
> bought it with a view getting it running as a winter project but wonder
also
> if I'd be able to use it in conjunction with an alternator to charge the
> battery which will be powering a 12v water pump at my tree nursery.
>
> So far I've found out the following
>
> Bore 55mm
> Stroke 50mm
> Capacity 120cc
> BHP Mk 12 1.2 hp @ 2000rpm
> BHP Mk 12 HS 1.95 hp @ 3400rpm
> Tappet Clearance - Inlet and Exhaust Minimun .006in Maximum .012in
> Points Clearance .012in / .016in
>
> Any information/history/advice/ridicule :-) etc gratefully accepted
>
> Myk
> --
>
>
>
>
>
Myk Rushton
> I'm pleased to hear this Myk, it makes a change :-) Why do so many men
> refer to engines, tractors etc as 'she'??
<humour>
I suppose it's because we give them lots of shit and expect them to just
keep going without any care, and so we can't be accused of sounding
homosexual: I really love him, he's a beaut'! :-)
</humour>
Myk
--
reedbed
>
>I'm pleased to hear this Myk, it makes a change :-) Why do so many
men
>refer to engines, tractors etc as 'she'??
>
clockwork they blow up in our face once a month ?
Mark
Malcolm
wrote:
Hi Mark,
just lurking, in between crashings of motherboards and/or
daughter boards ! ( Hi Pete, nice one ) on what was to be
my "new" computer.
At the moment we have a MTBF of about 5 hrs, which is a
bit of an improvement on -every time I try to connect- :-(
For the technologically-challenged : MTBF= Meant Time Between Failure
:-))
Malcolm.
PS I was pre-warned about u.r.sheds before I went there,
nevertheless it was still a mind-numbing experience :-))
Wesley Trotman
Wes.
reedbed <mlo...@eircom.net> wrote in message
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Myk Rushton
Mark bravely wrote
> We spend all our time oiling and polishing them, and regular as
> clockwork they blow up in our face once a month ?
ROFL
Myk
--
Peter Wibberley
Get em Janet.......... tell em off.... men...... tut....
see ya
Pete
reedbed
>PS I was pre-warned about u.r.sheds before I went there,
>nevertheless it was still a mind-numbing experience :-))
I stopped attending when I started answering H in ROT13 :-)
Did you understand any of it ? :-)
Mark