Weird Dream
Spuddie
it, thought I'd share. :)
Okay, in this dream, I got a letter from Brian Foster asking for
financial support as he was fronting a company trying to get rid of
"An Evil Football Empire." I sent him several thousand dollars (don't
ask me where I got it or even why I'd *care* about an Evil Football
Emprie! LOL) and after a while Gary and I went to England to see how
our investment was being used.
Next thing I remember, Brian, Gary and I are in a house, flying low
over some farm country. Well, more like hovering I suppose; I don't
think the house had wings! Brian was explaining (though all I heard
was mumbling, I couldn't understand what he was saying) what the
company had been doing, and Gary was making tea for us all. (No,
Karen...it wasn't Tetley (tm)!) I was looking around and kept getting
up to look out the window cause I thought it was so weird that the
house was flying. The house was unfurnished inside except for a table
with the tea stuff, kettle etc. on it; we were sitting on the floor.
It was storming out, thunder and lightning were all around us. (This
might have been part of 'real life' popping through as we did have
some lovely thunderstorms here last night that woke me up a few
times...)
Suddenly there was a loud noise below that didn't sound like thunder;
I went to the window and we'd come to the edge of a town. There were
about 50 well-groomed men in red and white football (Americans, read:
soccer) uniforms armed with rocks, bricks and AK-47's bellering
insults at our floating house. Just as I ducked, bullets streamed
through the window, glass shards went flying everywhere and Brian
bellered, "Take it up, take it up!" and someone (maybe Scotty? LOL)
did so. When I looked again, the men looked like ants. Then Brian
turned to me and said, "See what I mean?"
Then I woke up.
Those are the sort of weird dreams I have all the time; they make no
sense to me whatsoever but they are certainly infinitely amusing. :)
Cheryl
~~~A peacock who sits on his tail is just another turkey.~~~
Taylor
"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
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> Well, last night's was a doozie, and since someone from this NG was in
> it, thought I'd share. :)
>
dusted off my copy of "Zolar's Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Dreams," so
let's analyze this, ok? <g> (Don't ask me who Zolar is, but the dude on
the cover of the book looks real mysterious with dark, intense eyes -- I
can't look at him too long or I might get hyp-no-tized! At least he isn't
wearing a turban, but he looks like he'd be at home in one...)
> Okay, in this dream, I got a letter from Brian Foster asking for
> financial support as he was fronting a company trying to get rid of
> "An Evil Football Empire." I sent him several thousand dollars (don't
> ask me where I got it or even why I'd *care* about an Evil Football
> Emprie! LOL) and after a while Gary and I went to England to see how
> our investment was being used.
>
hmmmm.....it says that if you give or lend money to someone else in a dream,
you'll be wanting money yourself before long.....(DUH! Like you don't want
money every day, right?) And having something to do with fighting evil
means you should avoid your rivals because they may be plotting against
you... Going to England means "creditors will press you for payment."
> Next thing I remember, Brian, Gary and I are in a house, flying low
> over some farm country. Well, more like hovering I suppose; I don't
> think the house had wings!
hmmmm....being in a house that isn't yours means you may be involved in a
lawsuit coming up....hovering or flying at a low altitude means ruin is
ahead for you..... (this doesn't sound good, Spuddie, does it???)
>Brian was explaining (though all I heard
> was mumbling, I couldn't understand what he was saying) what the
> company had been doing,
....hearing someone mumble in your dream means that you are being
decieved....
>and Gary was making tea for us all. (No,
> Karen...it wasn't Tetley (tm)!)
....dreaming of making tea says: "Be cautious in your dealings because of an
indiscreet act." Was it tea bags? Cuz tea bags in your dream means
"dissappointment in a love affair."
>I was looking around and kept getting
> up to look out the window cause I thought it was so weird that the
> house was flying.
Looking out a window means "victory over your enemies."
>The house was unfurnished inside except for a table
> with the tea stuff, kettle etc. on it; we were sitting on the floor.
Sitting on the floor means "will realize high ambitions"
> It was storming out, thunder and lightning were all around us. (This
> might have been part of 'real life' popping through as we did have
> some lovely thunderstorms here last night that woke me up a few
> times...)
>
Dreaming of a storm means "Unfortunate business undetakings will cause
distress." (Course, it could also just mean it was raining!)
> Suddenly there was a loud noise below that didn't sound like thunder;
> I went to the window and we'd come to the edge of a town. There were
> about 50 well-groomed men in red and white football (Americans, read:
> soccer) uniforms
....hmmm....the book says that seeing men in football (soccer) uniforms
means you may expect some worries soon.... (ain't this book something?
LOL)
>armed with rocks, bricks and AK-47's bellering
> insults at our floating house. Just as I ducked, bullets streamed
> through the window, glass shards went flying everywhere and Brian
> bellered, "Take it up, take it up!" and someone (maybe Scotty? LOL)
> did so. When I looked again, the men looked like ants. Then Brian
> turned to me and said, "See what I mean?"
having people shooting at you means you will fall into disgrace.....uh-oh,
now the window's broke....thumbing back to "window"....Ahh! A broken window
means you should be suspicious of robbery by friends....And Flying high
means "Big Fortune."
>
> Then I woke up.
>
and a good thing it was, too! LOL
> Those are the sort of weird dreams I have all the time; they make no
> sense to me whatsoever but they are certainly infinitely amusing. :)
>
> Cheryl
> ~~~A peacock who sits on his tail is just another turkey.~~~
I think the whole thing was a hoot, Spuddie! What did you eat before you
went to bed???
"Madame Jeanie"
Shrdlomouse
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> Going to England means "creditors will press you for payment."
How very true.
janice
wrote:
>
>"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
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>> Well, last night's was a doozie, and since someone from this NG was in
>> it, thought I'd share. :)
>>
>And now that I'm all unpacked and can get to my library, I jumped up and
>dusted off my copy of "Zolar's Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Dreams," so
>let's analyze this, ok? <g> (Don't ask me who Zolar is, but the dude on
>the cover of the book looks real mysterious with dark, intense eyes -- I
>can't look at him too long or I might get hyp-no-tized! At least he isn't
>wearing a turban, but he looks like he'd be at home in one...)
>
Dream interpretation books are soooo weird. LOL I think that if
your dream is basically disjointed, makes no sense in and of it's own
context...perhaps they're "symbolic".. but I used to have vivid, movie
like dreams all the time. People were trying to kill me, didn't
bother me, I knew it was a dream. As far as public disgrace.. I'm
naturally a "public disgrace" due to my size .. as far as society is
concerned anyway. I figure it's their problem, LOL.
Janice
danny
accept the craziness as normal.
--
************************************
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"Don't hate yourself in the morning. Sleep till noon." -Graffito
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Spuddie
exoptable logastellus known for stratephrenia on weekends,
deboswellized a marigenous sybarite and said:
>
>"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
>news:18skrs00be7f5gv04...@4ax.com...
>> Well, last night's was a doozie, and since someone from this NG was in
>> it, thought I'd share. :)
>>
>And now that I'm all unpacked and can get to my library, I jumped up and
>dusted off my copy of "Zolar's Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Dreams," so
>let's analyze this, ok? <g> (Don't ask me who Zolar is, but the dude on
>the cover of the book looks real mysterious with dark, intense eyes -- I
>can't look at him too long or I might get hyp-no-tized! At least he isn't
>wearing a turban, but he looks like he'd be at home in one...)
ROFLMAO!!! Thanks, Jeanie...this was great...I literally LOL as I was
reading your responses and could picture you thumbing through the book
looking things up.
I do think that some dream interpretation can be valid, if done by
someone who knows what they're doing, but most of my dreams are this
way...disjointed, with bizarre scenarios and sometimes with people in
them I don't even know. (Occasionally I'll go on to meet those people
a few months after dreaming of them; weird, eh?) I have a hard time
imagining that anyone could truly make any sense of them; there's no
recurring theme (except that there's no recurring theme!) and are just
too weird. And always in vivid, living color.
snipt all of Madame Jeanie's hard work....<G>
>> Then I woke up.
>>
>and a good thing it was, too! LOL
It seems so!
>> Those are the sort of weird dreams I have all the time; they make no
>> sense to me whatsoever but they are certainly infinitely amusing. :)
>>
>> Cheryl
>I think the whole thing was a hoot, Spuddie! What did you eat before you
>went to bed???
Ummmm...let me think. A bunch of pistachio nuts. Why? What does that
mean?? :)
>"Madame Jeanie"
Wanna do my natal chart? :)
Cheryl
~~~They may forget what you said, but they will never forget
how you made them feel~~~ (Carl W. Buechner)
TygerD
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Must be concerned the Packers will beat the Vikings. LOL
TygerD
Taylor
"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:45:31 -0500, "Taylor" <fjta...@onemain.com> an
> exoptable logastellus known for stratephrenia on weekends,
> deboswellized a marigenous sybarite and said:
>
> >
> >"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
> >news:18skrs00be7f5gv04...@4ax.com...
> >> Well, last night's was a doozie, and since someone from this NG was in
> >> it, thought I'd share. :)
> >>
> >And now that I'm all unpacked and can get to my library, I jumped up and
> >dusted off my copy of "Zolar's Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Dreams," so
> >let's analyze this, ok? <g> (Don't ask me who Zolar is, but the dude on
> >the cover of the book looks real mysterious with dark, intense eyes -- I
> >can't look at him too long or I might get hyp-no-tized! At least he
isn't
> >wearing a turban, but he looks like he'd be at home in one...)
>
> ROFLMAO!!! Thanks, Jeanie...this was great...I literally LOL as I was
> reading your responses and could picture you thumbing through the book
> looking things up.
Glad you enjoyed it!
> >> Those are the sort of weird dreams I have all the time; they make no
> >> sense to me whatsoever but they are certainly infinitely amusing. :)
> >>
> >> Cheryl
>
> >I think the whole thing was a hoot, Spuddie! What did you eat before you
> >went to bed???
>
> Ummmm...let me think. A bunch of pistachio nuts. Why? What does that
> mean?? :)
>
Prolly meant that your fingers was stained red or green when you got done!
LOL
Sometimes, what you eat before going to bed can have an effect on your
dreams.... I seem to dream of sex after I've eaten chili....hmmmm....maybe
it's time I made another big pot of it, come to think of it.....<g>
> >"Madame Jeanie"
>
> Wanna do my natal chart? :)
>
> Cheryl
> ~~~They may forget what you said, but they will never forget
> how you made them feel~~~ (Carl W. Buechner)
I'd be happy to! I'm not joking here, Spuddie.... Astrology is one of my
hobbies and I was thinking about trying to sell charts on the web a few
years ago. I spent an entire summer working on that project before I gave
it up. I write a nice personality profile, though. I did one a few months
ago for Di, but she never responded to say how she liked it....Maybe she
hated it and was just being polite.... you think?
Anyway, if anybody IS interested in that sort of thing, just email me and
we'll work something out....
Jeanie
(I need a turban today....I slept on wet hair and have a bad "hair bump"!)
Spuddie
tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>Sometimes, what you eat before going to bed can have an effect on your
>dreams.... I seem to dream of sex after I've eaten chili....hmmmm....maybe
>it's time I made another big pot of it, come to think of it.....<g>
It hasn't seemed to affect my dreams much; they're always weird, no
matter what I eat (or drink)....the only time my dreams were different
was when I was on an SSRI (antidepressant) for awhile a few years
ago... then my dreams were even weirder and lasted all night long, and
I'd remember every little detail when I woke up; now I tend to forget
parts of them and it's only bits and pieces that are stuck in my mind
upon awakening.
>> >"Madame Jeanie"
>>
>> Wanna do my natal chart? :)
>>
>> Cheryl
>I'd be happy to! I'm not joking here, Spuddie.... Astrology is one of my
>hobbies and I was thinking about trying to sell charts on the web a few
>years ago. I spent an entire summer working on that project before I gave
>it up.
Well, there are several places online that will draw up your natal
chart for free; I've had that done...then they sell you a wee bit of
the personality profile and want you to buy the rest of it. Which is
only fair, I imagine that's a lot of work. I have a few books on
astrology, but have not really read them thoroughly or studied it
much. I haven't gotten into the in-depth stuff beyond the fact that
I'm a Capricorn (sun sign) and my moon sign is Gemini. (Do you suppose
that means twin goats are in my future? Or maybe I'm twice as stubborn
as the average person? LOL)
So, I actually have a copy of my natal chart...I just have no idea
what all those squigglies and lines mean. Maybe I will send you my
info so you can stay in practice. :)
> I write a nice personality profile, though. I did one a few months
>ago for Di, but she never responded to say how she liked it....Maybe she
>hated it and was just being polite.... you think?
Not a clue! :)
>Anyway, if anybody IS interested in that sort of thing, just email me and
>we'll work something out....
>
>Jeanie
>(I need a turban today....I slept on wet hair and have a bad "hair bump"!)
When I get out of the shower, I always wrap my hair up in a towel like
a turban...Gary calls me "The Turbanator." LOL
Cheryl
~~~The happiest time of anyone's life is just after
the first divorce~~~ (John Kenneth Galbraith)
Spuddie
a tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>> ....hmmm....the book says that seeing men in football (soccer) uniforms
>> means you may expect some worries soon.... (ain't this book something?
>> LOL)
>
>Must be concerned the Packers will beat the Vikings. LOL
>TygerD
Hah! Not a chance! :)
Besides, wrong kind of football...English football players don't wear
spandex....oooooh yeah.....:)
Cheryl...with one eye on the TV at the moment...
~~~There is danger in reckless change; but greater danger in
blind conservatism~~~ (Henry George)
Spuddie
tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>....I have dreams like this too. Strangely I never get emotional. I just
>accept the craziness as normal.
Me too....I've come to expect these strange things. Many of them are
actually quite fun, certainly a nice escape from real life. (And
maybe that's all they are, after all is said and done.)
Cheryl
~~~I know how hard it is to put food on your family.~~~
(George W. Bush)
Taylor
"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:47:17 -0500, "Taylor" <fjta...@onemain.com> a
> tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
> tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>
> chart for free; I've had that done...then they sell you a wee bit of
> the personality profile and want you to buy the rest of it. Which is
> only fair, I imagine that's a lot of work. I have a few books on
> astrology, but have not really read them thoroughly or studied it
> much. I haven't gotten into the in-depth stuff beyond the fact that
> I'm a Capricorn (sun sign) and my moon sign is Gemini. (Do you suppose
> that means twin goats are in my future? Or maybe I'm twice as stubborn
> as the average person? LOL)
>
> So, I actually have a copy of my natal chart...I just have no idea
> what all those squigglies and lines mean. Maybe I will send you my
> info so you can stay in practice. :)
>
Send it on, and I'll be happy to! (Birthdate, time and place are all vital
peices of info). It won't take me long because I spent months already
typing up all the possible combinations and now all I have to do is cut and
paste a new document together.... I can send it to you email. The profile
winds up being about 20+ pages long, single spaced....
I find this stuff fascinating, whether it is believeable or not.... I did
charts and profiles for several people and it was amazing how accurate they
turned out to be... Last year, I started studying how to progress a birth
chart and do predictions, and it is sooo complicated my brain got full in a
hurry! <g> I did one for Frank and one for me, and each one took days to
do, so that's not something I'd want to try to do for everybody. Did one
for my oldest daughter last year that predicted to the day when she would be
in court for her divorce... Fascinating stuff!
Steve L Ferris
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:39:20 -0700, "TygerD" <TtT...@somewhere.com>
> a tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
> tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>
>>> ....hmmm....the book says that seeing men in football (soccer) uniforms
>>> means you may expect some worries soon.... (ain't this book something?
>>> LOL)
>>
>>Must be concerned the Packers will beat the Vikings. LOL
>>TygerD
>
> Hah! Not a chance! :)
>
> Besides, wrong kind of football...English football players don't wear
> spandex....oooooh yeah.....:)
>
> Cheryl...with one eye on the TV at the moment...
Makes me wonder how your team is making out against the Bills this
afternoon. I should go check and watch the last bit.
Flutey wasn't playing in the first quarter.
I kinda *hunched* that he played the action shots in "the replacements"
movie. Left handed quarterback in it. Also, number 16.
steve
Brian Foster
Spuddie <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
> Well, last night's was a doozie, and since someone from this NG was in
> it, thought I'd share. :)
>
> Okay, in this dream, I got a letter from Brian Foster asking for
> financial support as he was fronting a company trying to get rid of
> "An Evil Football Empire." I sent him several thousand dollars (don't
> ask me where I got it or even why I'd *care* about an Evil Football
> Emprie! LOL) and after a while Gary and I went to England to see how
> our investment was being used.
> Next thing I remember, Brian, Gary and I are in a house, flying low
> over some farm country. Well, more like hovering I suppose; I don't
> think the house had wings! Brian was explaining (though all I heard
> was mumbling, I couldn't understand what he was saying) what the
> company had been doing, and Gary was making tea for us all. (No,
> Karen...it wasn't Tetley (tm)!) I was looking around and kept getting
> up to look out the window cause I thought it was so weird that the
> house was flying. The house was unfurnished inside except for a table
> with the tea stuff, kettle etc. on it; we were sitting on the floor.
> It was storming out, thunder and lightning were all around us. (This
> might have been part of 'real life' popping through as we did have
> some lovely thunderstorms here last night that woke me up a few
> times...)
Maybe the flying house in the air means you'll be moving house and going
up in the world after a financial windfall, which is where you get the money
to share with your mates on the newsgoup :)) Or couild be a memory surfacing
of the scene in the Wizard of Oz. Was I dressed like a scarecrow ?
Maybe you couldn't understand my Birmingham accent.
>
> Suddenly there was a loud noise below that didn't sound like thunder;
> I went to the window and we'd come to the edge of a town. There were
> about 50 well-groomed men in red and white football (Americans, read:
> soccer) uniforms armed with rocks, bricks and AK-47's bellering
> insults at our floating house. Just as I ducked, bullets streamed
> through the window, glass shards went flying everywhere and Brian
> bellered, "Take it up, take it up!" and someone (maybe Scotty? LOL)
> did so. When I looked again, the men looked like ants. Then Brian
> turned to me and said, "See what I mean?"
Red and white soccer colours...is Gary an Arsenal supporter ?
>
> Then I woke up.
>
> Those are the sort of weird dreams I have all the time; they make no
> sense to me whatsoever but they are certainly infinitely amusing. :)
I have some weird dreams especially if I eat cheese before going to bed.
I tend to forget most of my dreams a lot of which are sometimes violent
which I believe are suppessed fears are being played out
One dream I do remember from many years ago was short but most vivid.
It was during World War I and I was lying in a muddie trench and standing
above me was a German Soldier with his rifle raised and bayonet fitted.
I lay helpless as he thrust the bayonet towards my chest, at which point I
awoke.in a sweat. Maybe a repressed memory from my last life perhaps ?
Brian
Birmingham
Steve L Ferris
Whoa... flutey was/is number 7. I noticed it on NFL films today.
Anyways, Bills are *always tough* at home.
steve
janice
Or she read that Douglas Adams book where they were going into the
party in the flying house.. one of the hitchhiker's guide
installments, don't recall which ;-)
TygerD
"Steve L Ferris" <am...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> Spuddie (spuddie@KissMyButt!.com) writes:
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:39:20 -0700, "TygerD" <TtT...@somewhere.com>
> > a tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
> > tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
> >
> >>> ....hmmm....the book says that seeing men in football (soccer)
uniforms
> >>> means you may expect some worries soon.... (ain't this book
something?
> >>> LOL)
> >>
> >>Must be concerned the Packers will beat the Vikings. LOL
> >>TygerD
> >
> > Hah! Not a chance! :)
> >
> > Besides, wrong kind of football...English football players don't wear
> > spandex....oooooh yeah.....:)
> >
> > Cheryl...with one eye on the TV at the moment...
>
>
> Makes me wonder how your team is making out against the Bills this
> afternoon. I should go check and watch the last bit.
ok they lost, but I'm not worried. Their doing their usual. They seem
un-stoppable in the pre-season, look like high-school players in the start
of the regular season, then settle down for some serious playing ( Just in
time for the Vikings! LOL ) for the rest of the season.
Eva Bekker
>Besides, wrong kind of football...English football players don't wear
>spandex....oooooh yeah.....:)
What the heck is "spandex" - can you tell me? My silly dictionary won't
reveal it to me :-(
Gruß Eva
Only a mediocre person is always at his best.
(Maugham)
Eva Bekker
>>....I have dreams like this too. Strangely I never get emotional. I just
>>accept the craziness as normal.
>
>Me too....I've come to expect these strange things. Many of them are
>actually quite fun, certainly a nice escape from real life.
It IS a strange thing - dreaming and somehow *knowing* that you dream...
I have the weirdest dreams every night and often I wake up, relieved
that it's over - but then it isn't over, it goes on and I wake up again.
This happens four or five times and when I finally really wake up I can
hardly believe it and am afraid the nightmare might go on and on. As
some of you might know I'm very much into writing, I wrote several
novels ( no, never published). Everytime I'm "pregnant" with a new story
I have strange dreams about houses. There are always many, many rooms;
and also well known appartments or houses suddenly seem to have more
rooms, which I never noticed before. Then I'm walking through all these
'new' rooms, enjoying the new atmosphere, the completely new view from
new windows... Well, I guess a psychologist would make something of that
- LOL! Anyway, I found out that I can have a dream - very normal
setting, family at the breakfast table or something like that, then I
stand up to go and get something and suddenly find myself in new
surrounding, there may be a room with a big fire place and one wall all
made of glass facing a beautiful forest... then I know, some new story
is there, waiting to be tackled. Waking up after dreams like that always
leaves me confused but happy. Dreams are a strange matter...
Eva
--
The capacity for humor is a function of intellegence.
(Black LeRoy in aca51)
Spuddie
tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>> So, I actually have a copy of my natal chart...I just have no idea
>> what all those squigglies and lines mean. Maybe I will send you my
>> info so you can stay in practice. :)
>>
>
>Send it on, and I'll be happy to! (Birthdate, time and place are all vital
>peices of info). It won't take me long because I spent months already
>typing up all the possible combinations and now all I have to do is cut and
>paste a new document together.... I can send it to you email. The profile
>winds up being about 20+ pages long, single spaced....
Okay, I did.
>I find this stuff fascinating, whether it is believeable or not....
I think there's an element of accuracy to them; but a good astrologer
will remind people that a natal chart only shows the person's
*potential* based on where the stars/planets etc are when that person
was born. A lot can happen in the 40+ years since then to cause
people's personalities/character traits to bend one way or another!
Cheryl
~~~Love and stoplights can be cruel.~~~ (Sesame Street)
Spuddie
Ferris) a tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels,
eloigned a tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>Makes me wonder how your team is making out against the Bills this
>afternoon. I should go check and watch the last bit.
Packers lost! (Yeee haaaa!) Vikings won...by the skin of their teeth,
but they won. (Yeee haaaa again! ) :)
>Flutey wasn't playing in the first quarter.
>
>I kinda *hunched* that he played the action shots in "the replacements"
>movie. Left handed quarterback in it. Also, number 16.
>
>steve
And short? :)
Cheryl
~~~While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the
other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.~~~
(Henry C. Link)
Marlene
Eva Bekker wrote in message <8phpfi$cig$14$1...@news.t-online.com>...
"Spandex" is a type of fabric that has lots of ...hmmmm... maybe
rubber? in it. It stretches in all directions but when worn molds to
the figure tightly and it doesn't stretch out and get baggy. Hence
our enjoyment of those men wearing it to play American football!
(Especially as they bend over when they line up before each down --
which happens a lot in some games). The pants are the only thing
worth watching in a football game. Oh--that's just my opinion. I
like basketball and my shorts guys best!
--Marty
Spuddie
with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a tartuffish kilderkin and
slobbered:
>Maybe the flying house in the air means you'll be moving house and going
>up in the world after a financial windfall, which is where you get the money
>to share with your mates on the newsgoup :)) Or couild be a memory surfacing
>of the scene in the Wizard of Oz. Was I dressed like a scarecrow ?
No, and we didn't land on any witches either. LOL
>Maybe you couldn't understand my Birmingham accent.
I don't think I'd have any problems understanding you; well, not much
anyway. I don't think I was paying much attention to you because I
was so in awe of the bloody flying house! :)
>> Suddenly there was a loud noise below that didn't sound like thunder;
>> I went to the window and we'd come to the edge of a town. There were
>> about 50 well-groomed men in red and white football (Americans, read:
>> soccer) uniforms armed with rocks, bricks and AK-47's bellering
>> insults at our floating house. Just as I ducked, bullets streamed
>> through the window, glass shards went flying everywhere and Brian
>> bellered, "Take it up, take it up!" and someone (maybe Scotty? LOL)
>> did so. When I looked again, the men looked like ants. Then Brian
>> turned to me and said, "See what I mean?"
>
>Red and white soccer colours...is Gary an Arsenal supporter ?
Gary doesn't follow football at all and doesn't root for any
particular team. He didn't even seem the least bit interested, he was
just busy making tea and acting like being in a flying house was
perfectly normal. :)
>> Then I woke up.
>>
>> Those are the sort of weird dreams I have all the time; they make no
>> sense to me whatsoever but they are certainly infinitely amusing. :)
>
>I have some weird dreams especially if I eat cheese before going to bed.
Are you Wallace or Gromit? Get off me cheese...get off! LOL I' never
heard of people having weird dreams from cheese before, I must admit.
>I tend to forget most of my dreams a lot of which are sometimes violent
>which I believe are suppessed fears are being played out
I occasionally have some that are more unpleasant and with some
violence but mostly they're just kinda bizarre and off-the-wall.
>One dream I do remember from many years ago was short but most vivid.
>It was during World War I and I was lying in a muddie trench and standing
>above me was a German Soldier with his rifle raised and bayonet fitted.
>I lay helpless as he thrust the bayonet towards my chest, at which point I
>awoke.in a sweat. Maybe a repressed memory from my last life perhaps ?
>
>Brian
>Birmingham
Might very well be. My mind is a lot more open to such possibilities
than it used to be.
When I was a kid I had a recurring dream about being sucked up inside
a tornado; I'd feel as though I were on the verge of suffocating and
then I'd wake up, gasping for breath and in a cold sweat. Haven't had
that one in a long time, though.
Cheryl
~~~Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is
not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing
on a Sunday morning.~~~ (William H. Gates III)
Spuddie
tectonic, irrefangable salpinx with mazophilous tumbrels, eloigned a
tartuffish kilderkin and slobbered:
>Spuddie schrieb am Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:57:59 -0500:
>
>
>>Besides, wrong kind of football...English football players don't wear
>>spandex....oooooh yeah.....:)
>
>What the heck is "spandex" - can you tell me? My silly dictionary won't
>reveal it to me :-(
Maybe you know it as "lycra"?? It's a shiny, kind of stretchy
material...very clingy. Football players in America wear these type
of pants when they're playing. :)))
Cheryl
~~~Don't mistake the edge of a rut for the horizon.~~~
(James Patterson)
Taylor
"Eva Bekker" <Bek...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:8phpfj$cig$14$2...@news.t-online.com...
> Spuddie schrieb am Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:21 -0500:
>
>
> Everytime I'm "pregnant" with a new story
> I have strange dreams about houses. There are always many, many rooms;
> and also well known appartments or houses suddenly seem to have more
> rooms, which I never noticed before. Then I'm walking through all these
> 'new' rooms, enjoying the new atmosphere, the completely new view from
> new windows... Well, I guess a psychologist would make something of that
> - LOL!
Wow, that's really odd, because I have that sort of dream, too! The house
always looks much smaller on the outside than it really is. Inside closets,
I'll find another door that opens onto an entire new wing, usually with a
whole new view, too, like mountains where there weren't any in the other
part of the house....And there are always the strangest bathrooms in the new
wing, sometimes with toilets in a row that look like recliners, or a shower
head just sticking out of the center of a ceiling in a huge room....
Hmmmm.... I write, too, but I've never made the connection between having
this dream and "birthing" a new plot.... Could very well be a correlation
there...
Jeanie
Taylor
"Spuddie" <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> wrote in message
Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. (Your profile is on it's way to you,
BTW) All astrology can show you is your tendencies and traits... Knowing
the parts of your life where you are apt to have trouble, though, can be a
great tool for getting through difficulties.
One of the neatest things I've learned about astrology has to do with what
is called the Uranus Half-Return... Uranus is the planet of change and when
it gets halfway around the chart from its birth position (in roughly 42-46
years) it makes its "half-return" and goes into opposition to its birth
position. It takes about 7 years for this transit to complete (which makes
that spread about 39-46 or 43-50) and that coincides almost exactly with
what we often call the "mid-life crisis" time -- or what my mother used to
refer to as "male menopause" in men... The house that it is in at this
opposition in your personal chart will indicate what area of your life is
most affected... When I worked up the progressed chart for my husband,
plotting the position of that little planet, I looked it up in the books I
was using and, by golly, it had his mid-life crazies pegged to a tee!
Jeanie
Eva Bekker
>
>Maybe you know it as "lycra"?? It's a shiny, kind of stretchy
>material...very clingy. Football players in America wear these type
>of pants when they're playing. :)))
Of course - yes it's called lycra over here :-) And I fully agree with
Marty saying it's worth to look at - as long as Dan Marino isn't in that
line :-))
bye
Eva
--
facts are stubborn things
Sweet FA
>
>Maybe you know it as "lycra"?? It's a shiny, kind of stretchy
>material...very clingy.
>
--
frank <S-fà>
Terri
<fjta...@onemain.com> writes:
Well that makes 3 of us and I also write. However, I attribute the weird toilet
thing to the fact that when I wake up, I realize just how bad I have to go and
I mean right then LOL! I also experience the "new" rooms that were never there
before, although in my case it usually isn't a happy dream of any sort. I am
usually lost in this maze of rooms, that just keeps growing and won't let me
out.
Terri
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start
from now and make a brand new ending. - Carl Bard
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Spuddie
feckless scantling prone to humicubation during quadrivial epizeuxis,
quirled an irreptitious paizogony, whimpering:
>> I think there's an element of accuracy to them; but a good astrologer
>> will remind people that a natal chart only shows the person's
>> *potential* based on where the stars/planets etc are when that person
>> was born. A lot can happen in the 40+ years since then to cause
>> people's personalities/character traits to bend one way or another!
>>
>> Cheryl
>Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. (Your profile is on it's way to you,
>BTW) All astrology can show you is your tendencies and traits... Knowing
>the parts of your life where you are apt to have trouble, though, can be a
>great tool for getting through difficulties.
And thanks very much. As I mentioned via e-mail, overall it was
pretty accurate with a few discrepancies and some conflicting
statements, which I'm studying further. Some things were rather
uncannily accurate. (You been peekin', ma'm!? LOL)
>One of the neatest things I've learned about astrology has to do with what
>is called the Uranus Half-Return... Uranus is the planet of change and when
>it gets halfway around the chart from its birth position (in roughly 42-46
>years) it makes its "half-return" and goes into opposition to its birth
>position. It takes about 7 years for this transit to complete (which makes
>that spread about 39-46 or 43-50) and that coincides almost exactly with
>what we often call the "mid-life crisis" time -- or what my mother used to
>refer to as "male menopause" in men... The house that it is in at this
>opposition in your personal chart will indicate what area of your life is
>most affected... When I worked up the progressed chart for my husband,
>plotting the position of that little planet, I looked it up in the books I
>was using and, by golly, it had his mid-life crazies pegged to a tee!
>
>Jeanie
Uranus Half-Return? That sounds like a twisted wrestling move or
something. LOL Anyway, that's pretty neat. I'll have to look into
that further, too.
Cheryl
~~~Smile and the world smiles with you, fart and you smile
alone.~~~
Spuddie
feckless scantling prone to humicubation during quadrivial epizeuxis,
quirled an irreptitious paizogony, whimpering:
>Spuddie schrieb am Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:09:23 -0500:
Ack! I can't stand Dan Marino for some reason. Anyway, he's retired
and doing announcing now...ewwwwww! :)
I must say that the Vikings new quarterback Daunte Culpepper looks
rather fetching in his lycra pants. Mmm-mmmm-mmmmm, yep! :)
Cheryl
~~~Children have never been very good at listening to their
elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.~~~
(James Baldwin)
Spuddie
feckless scantling prone to humicubation during quadrivial epizeuxis,
quirled an irreptitious paizogony, whimpering:
>Spuddie <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> , was overheard saying:
Funny, you don't LOOK much like Lurch. <G>
Cheryl
~~~We gladly feast on those who would subdue us ...
not just pretty words, Fester.~~~ (Morticia Adams)
Spuddie
feckless scantling prone to humicubation during quadrivial epizeuxis,
quirled an irreptitious paizogony, whimpering:
>Spuddie schrieb am Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:21 -0500:
>
>
>>>....I have dreams like this too. Strangely I never get emotional. I just
>>>accept the craziness as normal.
>>
>>Me too....I've come to expect these strange things. Many of them are
>>actually quite fun, certainly a nice escape from real life.
>
>It IS a strange thing - dreaming and somehow *knowing* that you dream...
>I have the weirdest dreams every night and often I wake up, relieved
>that it's over - but then it isn't over, it goes on and I wake up again.
I have had dreams like that too...they just seem neverending...
resuming right where they left off when you woke up.
>This happens four or five times and when I finally really wake up I can
>hardly believe it and am afraid the nightmare might go on and on.
Ah...but I've rarely had those kind of dreams be nightmares.
Disturbing and twisted, yes, but not really frightful what I'd call
"nightmares."
>As
>some of you might know I'm very much into writing, I wrote several
>novels ( no, never published). Everytime I'm "pregnant" with a new story
>I have strange dreams about houses. There are always many, many rooms;
>and also well known appartments or houses suddenly seem to have more
>rooms, which I never noticed before. Then I'm walking through all these
>'new' rooms, enjoying the new atmosphere, the completely new view from
>new windows... Well, I guess a psychologist would make something of that
>- LOL! Anyway, I found out that I can have a dream - very normal
>setting, family at the breakfast table or something like that, then I
>stand up to go and get something and suddenly find myself in new
>surrounding, there may be a room with a big fire place and one wall all
>made of glass facing a beautiful forest... then I know, some new story
>is there, waiting to be tackled. Waking up after dreams like that always
>leaves me confused but happy. Dreams are a strange matter...
>
>Eva
Interesting! I've never had a dream like that....those must be kind of
neat dreams to have.
Ellis
When I'm 'pregnant' with a plot wot I is 'birthing' I dream I'm in a house full of
rooms covered in dust and crap and shit and stuff...and then I realise I'm still
awake and do a bit of housework...
Ellis
Di Molloy
Ellis wrote:
Ok Ellis the midwife is here.. the brith will be a lot easier if you get your head
out of the toilet!!
Di
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Eva Bekker
>
>When I'm 'pregnant' with a plot wot I is 'birthing' I dream I'm in a house full of
>rooms covered in dust and crap and shit and stuff...and then I realise I'm still
>awake and do a bit of housework...
>
>Ellis
What a horrible nightmare :-))
>
--
i don't give a damn if you don't like me -
cuz i don't like you, cuz you're not like me
(bloodhound gang)
Sweet FA
>On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:33:16 +0100, Sweet FA <King_...@steak.net> a
>feckless scantling prone to humicubation during quadrivial epizeuxis,
>quirled an irreptitious paizogony, whimpering:
>
>>Spuddie <spuddie@KissMyButt!.com> , was overheard saying:
>>>
>>>Maybe you know it as "lycra"?? It's a shiny, kind of stretchy
>>>material...very clingy.
>>>
>>You rang??<G>
>
>Funny, you don't LOOK much like Lurch. <G>
>
Awwww, that's the nicest thang you've ever said to me! :)))
--
frank <S-fà>...thinking love is truly blind! LOL
Di Molloy
Eva Bekker wrote:
> Spuddie schrieb am Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:21 -0500:
>
> >>....I have dreams like this too. Strangely I never get emotional. I just
> >>accept the craziness as normal.
> >
> >Me too....I've come to expect these strange things. Many of them are
> >actually quite fun, certainly a nice escape from real life.
>
> It IS a strange thing - dreaming and somehow *knowing* that you dream...
> I have the weirdest dreams every night and often I wake up, relieved
> that it's over - but then it isn't over, it goes on and I wake up again.
> This happens four or five times and when I finally really wake up I can
> hardly believe it and am afraid the nightmare might go on and on. As
> some of you might know I'm very much into writing, I wrote several
> novels ( no, never published). Everytime I'm "pregnant" with a new story
> I have strange dreams about houses. There are always many, many rooms;
> and also well known appartments or houses suddenly seem to have more
> rooms, which I never noticed before. Then I'm walking through all these
> 'new' rooms, enjoying the new atmosphere, the completely new view from
> new windows... Well, I guess a psychologist would make something of that
Well it sounds as if there is an apprehension about something.. maybe the book
that you are about to write. Do you have several false starts.....but it maybe
the rooms could represent something like the chapters in the book that unfold
and almost take on a life of their own. Almost as though you start a chapter and
it is not as you originally intended it to be and you are surprised and enjoy
the way the chapters form themselves amd what they become.
>
> - LOL! Anyway, I found out that I can have a dream - very normal
> setting, family at the breakfast table or something like that, then I
> stand up to go and get something and suddenly find myself in new
> surrounding, there may be a room with a big fire place and one wall all
> made of glass facing a beautiful forest... then I know, some new story
> is there, waiting to be tackled. Waking up after dreams like that always
> leaves me confused but happy. Dreams are a strange matter...
>
> Eva
Are you looking for some change in your life....?
lie down on my couch.... LOLOL
Taylor
"Di Molloy" <d.mo...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:39BE9FCF...@blueyonder.co.uk...
I'd rather look for some change in your couch....I found $2.15 in mine the
other day under the cushions...
Jeanie
Toadetta
>
> >
> > Eva Bekker wrote:
> >
> > > Spuddie schrieb am Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:21 -0500:
> > >
> >
> > Are you looking for some change in your life....?
> > lie down on my couch.... LOLOL
> >
> > Di
> >
>
> I'd rather look for some change in your couch....I found $2.15 in mine the
> other day under the cushions...
>
> Jeanie
Well I hope you dont find $ in mine cos I;ll wonder who has been using
it...not Łs either..
pennies..not you are more likely to find the tv control and bottles of
nailvarnish and makeup...
because my daughters are sooooooo lazy about moving it...
Taylor
> Taylor schrieb am Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:04:55 -0500:
>
> >
>
> >> Are you looking for some change in your life....?
> >> lie down on my couch.... LOLOL
> >>
> >> Di
> >>
> >
> >I'd rather look for some change in your couch....I found $2.15 in mine
the
> >other day under the cushions...
> >
>
>
> Eva
> --
Nah, you wouldn't.....I also found a dirty sock and a crushed coke can under
there! What can I say? I have children! LOL
Jeanie
> new home page!
> http://home.t-online.de/home/bekker
Eva Bekker
>
>Well it sounds as if there is an apprehension about something.. maybe the book
>that you are about to write. Do you have several false starts.....but it maybe
>the rooms could represent something like the chapters in the book that unfold
>and almost take on a life of their own. Almost as though you start a chapter and
>it is not as you originally intended it to be and you are surprised and enjoy
>the way the chapters form themselves amd what they become.
I believe these 'new rooms' really represent the upcoming of a new
story. I often set out to write something well planned... but things
things start their own lives, the stories head in completely different
directions while I just watch and take notes. Like these houses - I
discover a new room behind every corner.
>
>Are you looking for some change in your life....?
>lie down on my couch.... LOLOL
>
>Di
I guess I really do... but, no, I don't want to lie down on your couch
:-)))
Eva
--
Eva Bekker
>
>> Are you looking for some change in your life....?
>> lie down on my couch.... LOLOL
>>
>> Di
>>
>
>I'd rather look for some change in your couch....I found $2.15 in mine the
>other day under the cushions...
>
Oooh! In that case I'd like ti lie down on your couch :-)
Di Molloy
Eva Bekker wrote:
> Di Molloy schrieb am Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:28:33 GMT:
>
> >
> >Well it sounds as if there is an apprehension about something.. maybe the book
> >that you are about to write. Do you have several false starts.....but it maybe
> >the rooms could represent something like the chapters in the book that unfold
> >and almost take on a life of their own. Almost as though you start a chapter and
> >it is not as you originally intended it to be and you are surprised and enjoy
> >the way the chapters form themselves amd what they become.
>
> I believe these 'new rooms' really represent the upcoming of a new
> story. I often set out to write something well planned... but things
> things start their own lives, the stories head in completely different
> directions while I just watch and take notes. Like these houses - I
> discover a new room behind every corner.
hmmmm as I thought......the house not stable yet - the ideas still changing and
evolving...
>
> >
>
> >Are you looking for some change in your life....?
> >lie down on my couch.... LOLOL
> >
> >Di
>
> I guess I really do... but, no, I don't want to lie down on your couch
> :-)))
Even the ideas about the change still tentative, a lot of uncertainty, still waiting
for sign to unfold? Are the dreams like serials...?
> Eva
Superbitch
wrote:
Oh hell! I wonder if this is why I've never been published!??
I never dream about houses...when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet or eating soda
crackers to settle my tummy. :-(
Karen (dreaming of an eggroll)
To reply, change 'sly' to ca
Ellis
Superbitch wrote:
Nope...it's cuz your stories are crap!
>
> I never dream about houses...
Try dreaming of dog kennels and work up gradually...
> when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
> spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet
Maybe you're just flushed with the thought of your own success..
Ellis
Superbitch
wrote:
But....but .. YOU wrote them with me!!
>> I never dream about houses...
>
>Try dreaming of dog kennels and work up gradually...
Sigh..ya dip...I want to write 'tales' not 'tails'!
>> when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
>> spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet
>
>Maybe you're just flushed with the thought of your own success..
Well, I sure didn't want to feel bogged down...
Karen
Ellis
Superbitch wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:19:14 GMT, Ellis <Ell...@cableinet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> But....but .. YOU wrote them with me!!
Did I say I was any good?
>
>
> >> I never dream about houses...
> >
> >Try dreaming of dog kennels and work up gradually...
>
> Sigh..ya dip...I want to write 'tales' not 'tails'!
No wonder you've never been pup-lished...
>
>
> >> when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
> >> spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet
> >
> >Maybe you're just flushed with the thought of your own success..
>
> Well, I sure didn't want to feel bogged down...
>
Probably just a chain reaction...
Ellis
Superbitch
wrote:
>
>
>Superbitch wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:19:14 GMT, Ellis <Ell...@cableinet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> But....but .. YOU wrote them with me!!
>
>Did I say I was any good?
Yes you did! And you said you could write too!
>> >> I never dream about houses...
>> >
>> >Try dreaming of dog kennels and work up gradually...
>>
>> Sigh..ya dip...I want to write 'tales' not 'tails'!
>
>No wonder you've never been pup-lished...
I really unleashed all my ideas too!
>> >> when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
>> >> spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet
>> >
>> >Maybe you're just flushed with the thought of your own success..
>>
>> Well, I sure didn't want to feel bogged down...
>>
>Probably just a chain reaction...
But now I've been plungered into despair :-(
Karen
Ellis
>
> >> >> >When I'm 'pregnant' with a plot wot I is 'birthing' I dream I'm in a house full of
> >> >> >rooms covered in dust and crap and shit and stuff...and then I realise I'm still
> >> >> >awake and do a bit of housework...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ellis
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh hell! I wonder if this is why I've never been published!??
> >> >
> >> >Nope...it's cuz your stories are crap!
> >>
> >> But....but .. YOU wrote them with me!!
> >
> >Did I say I was any good?
>
> Yes you did! And you said you could write too!
And I can..T..W..O...
>
>
> >> >> I never dream about houses...
> >> >
> >> >Try dreaming of dog kennels and work up gradually...
> >>
> >> Sigh..ya dip...I want to write 'tales' not 'tails'!
> >
> >No wonder you've never been pup-lished...
>
> I really unleashed all my ideas too!
Never mind ...it was all in a good claws...
>
>
> >> >> when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
> >> >> spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet
> >> >
> >> >Maybe you're just flushed with the thought of your own success..
> >>
> >> Well, I sure didn't want to feel bogged down...
> >>
> >Probably just a chain reaction...
>
> But now I've been plungered into despair :-(
>
It was just a pipe dream..
Ellis
hecatron
Di Molloy wrote:
Hi Di, analyzing again? hmm... LOL
Eva, I often have similar dreams too, specially whenver
I'm going through some changes in my life and my
perception of it is that the house represents you and
the rooms are what makes you. Discovering the existence
of new rooms in a dream is symbolic to discovering the
unexplored potentials in yourself. But why do you
have those dreams whenever you start a new story?
If you lack confidence in what you are about to
do, then, your dream is telling you that the potential
is there and it's up to you to expose it. Maybe you
should consider having some of your stories published.
The most interesting part in my dreams is when I go back
to the same house whereas in reality I've never known
that particular house. Do you get that too?
Arsinee
Superbitch
wrote:
>snip.
>
>>
>> >> >> >When I'm 'pregnant' with a plot wot I is 'birthing' I dream I'm in a house full of
>> >> >> >rooms covered in dust and crap and shit and stuff...and then I realise I'm still
>> >> >> >awake and do a bit of housework...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ellis
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oh hell! I wonder if this is why I've never been published!??
>> >> >
>> >> >Nope...it's cuz your stories are crap!
>> >>
>> >> But....but .. YOU wrote them with me!!
>> >
>> >Did I say I was any good?
>>
>> Yes you did! And you said you could write too!
>
>And I can..T..W..O...
Ha! You even spelled it wrong!
>> >> >> I never dream about houses...
>> >> >
>> >> >Try dreaming of dog kennels and work up gradually...
>> >>
>> >> Sigh..ya dip...I want to write 'tales' not 'tails'!
>> >
>> >No wonder you've never been pup-lished...
>>
>> I really unleashed all my ideas too!
>
>Never mind ...it was all in a good claws...
Yeah..still all isn't lost...tell me who your publisit is, and I'll
collar...
>> >> >> when I get 'pregnant' with an idea, I
>> >> >> spend alllllll my time with my head in the toilet
>> >> >
>> >> >Maybe you're just flushed with the thought of your own success..
>> >>
>> >> Well, I sure didn't want to feel bogged down...
>> >>
>> >Probably just a chain reaction...
>>
>> But now I've been plungered into despair :-(
>
>It was just a pipe dream..
>
>Ellis
Yep..enough to bowl you over eh?
Karen
Eva Bekker
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>
>Eva, I often have similar dreams too, specially whenver
>I'm going through some changes in my life and my
>perception of it is that the house represents you and
>the rooms are what makes you. Discovering the existence
>of new rooms in a dream is symbolic to discovering the
>unexplored potentials in yourself. But why do you
>have those dreams whenever you start a new story?
>If you lack confidence in what you are about to
>do, then, your dream is telling you that the potential
>is there and it's up to you to expose it. Maybe you
>should consider having some of your stories published.
This may sound pretty boastful, but I don't lack confidence. I am
convinced that I'm a good writer - allthough I'm not a Shakespeare ;-) I
tried to get my novels published in the past, I had some wonderful and
encouraging feedback from editors, BUT it is nearly impossible to have
something published in Germany, when you aren't a celebrity and nobody
knows you. Most publishers don't risk to publish a new author. Big
German publishers admit that they are willing to publish only one or two
German newcomers a year. Now think of the fact, that about 800
typoscripts arrive at the editor's desk each month. So that makes about
10,000 authors hoping to be published and only one or two are chosen.
This is nearly like hoping to win the lottery jackpot :-)
>
>The most interesting part in my dreams is when I go back
>to the same house whereas in reality I've never known
>that particular house. Do you get that too?
No, I never saw the same house twice, which is sad, because some of them
would be worth a second look :-)
I never knew how many people have dreams like this - I used to think
only I would dream up such crazy stuff :-)
Taylor
> hecatron schrieb am Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:42:48 -0400:
>
>
> (snipped to save poor fingertips from working hard on scrolling)
> >
> >Eva, I often have similar dreams too, specially whenver
> >I'm going through some changes in my life and my
> >perception of it is that the house represents you and
> >the rooms are what makes you. Discovering the existence
> >of new rooms in a dream is symbolic to discovering the
> >unexplored potentials in yourself. But why do you
> >have those dreams whenever you start a new story?
> >If you lack confidence in what you are about to
> >do, then, your dream is telling you that the potential
> >is there and it's up to you to expose it. Maybe you
> >should consider having some of your stories published.
>
> This may sound pretty boastful, but I don't lack confidence. I am
> convinced that I'm a good writer - allthough I'm not a Shakespeare ;-) I
> tried to get my novels published in the past, I had some wonderful and
> encouraging feedback from editors, BUT it is nearly impossible to have
> something published in Germany, when you aren't a celebrity and nobody
> knows you. Most publishers don't risk to publish a new author. Big
> German publishers admit that they are willing to publish only one or two
> German newcomers a year. Now think of the fact, that about 800
> typoscripts arrive at the editor's desk each month. So that makes about
> 10,000 authors hoping to be published and only one or two are chosen.
> This is nearly like hoping to win the lottery jackpot :-)
> >
not quite so bad... It is very hard for a new author to break into the
fold.... But persistence does pay off for some in the end. Try to make
some contacts in the publishing world. Networking does wonders... Maybe
you know somebody who knows somebody... That sort of thing. Or, you could
try investing the money and time to take some Creative Writing type courses
at a university (if you haven't already!) Often, the professors in charge
of such classes have connections with people in the publishing field and can
help to push your manuscript and see to it that it gets on the right desk at
the right time....
Good luck, and never stop trying...
Jeanie
Eva Bekker
>>
>> (snipped to save poor fingertips from working hard on scrolling)
>I know what you mean, Eva.... It is the same way in America, though maybe
>not quite so bad... It is very hard for a new author to break into the
>fold.... But persistence does pay off for some in the end. Try to make
>some contacts in the publishing world. Networking does wonders... Maybe
>you know somebody who knows somebody... That sort of thing. Or, you could
>try investing the money and time to take some Creative Writing type courses
>at a university (if you haven't already!) Often, the professors in charge
>of such classes have connections with people in the publishing field and can
>help to push your manuscript and see to it that it gets on the right desk at
>the right time....
>
>Good luck, and never stop trying...
>
>Jeanie
First of all thanks for wishing me good luck, Jeanie!
I've stopped trying to sell my 'books' years ago. I knew some people who
knew some-one ;-) Unfortunately there was a publisher of Comics, not the
right one, one editor for crime stories - not my cup of tea -, one
publisher was specialised on art-books (I should have gone back to
painting, then) and one lady was editing cook books. Anyway, I had very
nice contacts, and one of the well known and highly respected editors in
Germany (who is specialised in political publishing) told me he really
enjoyed reading my books (I had sent him two), he told me how talented I
was and suggested to choose a pseudonym and so on and so on... Well, you
can imagine I was very proud to receive such acknowledgement - but it
didn't help me anyhow.
In the end I realized, that I truely enjoy the process of writing,
getting to know the characters, watching them do things I hadn't had in
mind for them. I found out how really deeply satisfying it is to finish
a novel. So I told myself, this is reward enough. Having published
something would surely make me proud - but what else? You can't make a
living of it, if you don't become a best selling author.
But, to tell the truth, at the moment I'm trying again to sell something
I wrote... and waiting for the "NO!" to come is the hardest part :-))
Wow, I guess this was far too long for a posting....:-(
And here we are back to the topic... it is a weird dream to be
published, not much more :-))
Ellis
Eva Bekker wrote:
> Taylor schrieb am Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:50:55 -0500:
>
> >>
> >> (snipped to save poor fingertips from working hard on scrolling)
>
> >I know what you mean, Eva.... It is the same way in America, though maybe
> >not quite so bad... It is very hard for a new author to break into the
> >fold.... But persistence does pay off for some in the end. Try to make
> >some contacts in the publishing world. Networking does wonders... Maybe
> >you know somebody who knows somebody... That sort of thing. Or, you could
> >try investing the money and time to take some Creative Writing type courses
> >at a university (if you haven't already!) Often, the professors in charge
> >of such classes have connections with people in the publishing field and can
> >help to push your manuscript and see to it that it gets on the right desk at
> >the right time....
> >
> >Good luck, and never stop trying...
> >
> >Jeanie
>
> First of all thanks for wishing me good luck, Jeanie!
> I've stopped trying to sell my 'books' years ago. I knew some people who
> knew some-one ;-) Unfortunately there was a publisher of Comics, not the
> right one, one editor for crime stories - not my cup of tea -, one
> publisher was specialised on art-books (I should have gone back to
> painting, then) and one lady was editing cook books. Anyway, I had very
> nice contacts, and one of the well known and highly respected editors in
> Germany (who is specialised in political publishing) told me he really
> enjoyed reading my books (I had sent him two), he told me how talented I
> was and suggested to choose a pseudonym and so on and so on... Well, you
> can imagine I was very proud to receive such acknowledgement - but it
> didn't help me anyhow.
Did you consider re-writing them and submitting them at a later date? I've sent
the same work four or five times to the same publication before it was
published...it just filled the bill on that day I suppose...but if you know it's
good keep plugging away with dogged determination until someone publishes!
Have you considered collaborating with another writer? It has it's
advantages...especially with dialogue...but it could be you may be strong on
talent but weak on plot and another writer weak on talent but strong on plot
etc...It can also bring more richness to the content because of the extra
experiences that another writer would be able to contribute...
>
> In the end I realized, that I truely enjoy the process of writing,
> getting to know the characters, watching them do things I hadn't had in
> mind for them. I found out how really deeply satisfying it is to finish
> a novel. So I told myself, this is reward enough. Having published
> something would surely make me proud - but what else? You can't make a
> living of it, if you don't become a best selling author.
Yes you can...but you may never become rich. Maybe you are trying to run before
you can walk...why not try your hand at magazine articles, local papers, short
stories etc..
Getting that first piece of work published does wonders for your confidence...you
are now a 'bona fide writer' and not one of millions of people doodling on the
kitchen table most of whose efforts end up in the bin holding the potato peelings
together...
You could always do a Steven King and publish the first chapter on the net and
charge people for the remaining chapters...
try your hand at scriptwriting...adapt one of your novels...
>
>
> But, to tell the truth, at the moment I'm trying again to sell something
> I wrote... and waiting for the "NO!" to come is the hardest part :-))
I've got enough rejection slips to wallpaper my house...it doesn't mean your work
is no good..it could be because of a number of reasons. Understanding the market
and the way in which the publishing industry operates is essential...
Most people can create an original work of art...but to have it accepted for
publication is sometimes an art in itself...have you considered using a literary
agent...someone who knows the industry inside out...the best time to submit
manuscripts, the publishers who would be interested in your 'type' of work, etc..
Although it's not the publishers job they sometimes are quite helpful with the
odd comment...
There is no need to only look for a publisher in Germany...try publishers in
other countries..
If you can try and get hold of a copy of 'The Writers and Artist Yearbook' or
/and 'The Writer's Handbook' or just mail me and I'll dig out some publishers and
agents who specialise in your type of novel.
Ellis
Eva Bekker
>> >> (snipped to save poor fingertips from working hard on scrolling)
>>
>
>Did you consider re-writing them and submitting them at a later date? I've sent
>the same work four or five times to the same publication before it was
>published...it just filled the bill on that day I suppose...but if you know it's
>good keep plugging away with dogged determination until someone publishes!
No, I guess I'm not that ambitious. I sent off my stories to several
publishers and when they came back I put them on the shelf :-)
>Have you considered collaborating with another writer? It has it's
>advantages...especially with dialogue...but it could be you may be strong on
>talent but weak on plot and another writer weak on talent but strong on plot
>etc...It can also bring more richness to the content because of the extra
>experiences that another writer would be able to contribute...
Again no. I prefer writing on my own - I think for *me* it is much
better to write alone. When I'm finished with a story I have several
people read it and comment it. That helps a lot and there are going to
be changes. Writing means much to me - it is nearly the same feeling as
falling in love. I wouldn't share my partner, I wouldn't want anyone to
interfer with him. So I don't want anyone to fiddle around with *my*
story before I'm through with it.
I think (again it sounds boastful, I know) I'm neither weak in plot nor
in writing dialogues or in usage of language.
>
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>>Having published
>> something would surely make me proud - but what else? You can't make a
>> living of it, if you don't become a best selling author.
>
>Yes you can...but you may never become rich. Maybe you are trying to run before
>you can walk...why not try your hand at magazine articles, local papers, short
>stories etc..
Think I was putting this wrong - I never intended to make a living of
it, it was just a thought.
>Getting that first piece of work published does wonders for your confidence...you
>are now a 'bona fide writer' and not one of millions of people doodling on the
>kitchen table most of whose efforts end up in the bin holding the potato peelings
>together...
>You could always do a Steven King and publish the first chapter on the net and
>charge people for the remaining chapters...
>try your hand at scriptwriting...adapt one of your novels...
Do a Steven King LOL! That's a nice way to put it :-)
Well, but Steven King is a worldwide bestselling writer - many people
will go have a look at his site in the net. Who would even know that
some no-name woman is publishing a chapter in the net?
Scriptwriting is even more difficult to sell - don't forget that the
German market is different from the American - *very* different :-)
Movie business over here is a sad, sad chapter :-(
>
(more snipping)
>have you considered using a literary
>agent...someone who knows the industry inside out...the best time to submit
>manuscripts, the publishers who would be interested in your 'type' of work, etc..
In Germany people mostly go for themselves. There are only very few
agents for some movie stars, but writers don't have agents, as far as I
know.
>
(snipped)
>There is no need to only look for a publisher in Germany...try publishers in
>other countries..
Well, that's what I do at the moment with some English stuff. But to
have publications in German - and that is my language, so I'm best in
German - uhm.. that would limit me to Austria, Germany and perhaps
Switzerland. I've tried Switzerland. And I found out that Austrian and
German book market work together very closely - so other countries might
be difficult.
>
>If you can try and get hold of a copy of 'The Writers and Artist Yearbook' or
>/and 'The Writer's Handbook' or just mail me and I'll dig out some publishers and
>agents who specialise in your type of novel.
>
Thanks for this hint - I'll try to find it in our library - should be
possible to get it.
Ellis
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>
> >You could always do a Steven King and publish the first chapter on the net and
> >charge people for the remaining chapters...
> >try your hand at scriptwriting...adapt one of your novels...
>
> Do a Steven King LOL! That's a nice way to put it :-)
> Well, but Steven King is a worldwide bestselling writer - many people
> will go have a look at his site in the net. Who would even know that
> some no-name woman is publishing a chapter in the net?
You published your poem on your webpage...why not a chapter? I think maybe you place
too much emphasis on being a 'no-name' writer...nearly all writers started off as a
no-name...Yes publishers will always give priority to well known writers as sales of
their work is almost guaranteed...but they also spend as much time and effort looking
for new writers who will be the Agatha Christies of tomorrow...
It is the content of your manuscript not the name on the cover that is important to a
publisher...of course changing your first name to Boris could be helpful...<g>
>
> Scriptwriting is even more difficult to sell - don't forget that the
> German market is different from the American - *very* different :-)
> Movie business over here is a sad, sad chapter :-(
> >
You have German television and radio...they need scripts...
>
> >have you considered using a literary
> >agent...someone who knows the industry inside out...the best time to submit
> >manuscripts, the publishers who would be interested in your 'type' of work, etc..
>
> In Germany people mostly go for themselves. There are only very few
> agents for some movie stars, but writers don't have agents, as far as I
> know.
> >
Yes they do...and you will find them in the two directories I suggested..
>
> >If you can try and get hold of a copy of 'The Writers and Artist Yearbook' or
> >/and 'The Writer's Handbook' or just mail me and I'll dig out some publishers and
> >agents who specialise in your type of novel.
> >
> Thanks for this hint - I'll try to find it in our library - should be
> possible to get it.
>
Ellis
hannah savannah at the pianah Forte
>From: Eva Bekker Bek...@t-online.de
>Date: 11/09/00 06:08 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8phpfj$cig$14$2...@news.t-online.com>
>
>Spuddie schrieb am Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:59:21 -0500:
>
>
>>>accept the craziness as normal.
>>
>>Me too....I've come to expect these strange things. Many of them are
>>actually quite fun, certainly a nice escape from real life.
>
>I have the weirdest dreams every night and often I wake up, relieved
>that it's over - but then it isn't over, it goes on and I wake up again.
>This happens four or five times and when I finally really wake up I can
>hardly believe it and am afraid the nightmare might go on and on. As
>some of you might know I'm very much into writing, I wrote several
>novels ( no, never published). Everytime I'm "pregnant" with a new story
>I have strange dreams about houses. There are always many, many rooms;
>and also well known appartments or houses suddenly seem to have more
>rooms, which I never noticed before. Then I'm walking through all these
>'new' rooms, enjoying the new atmosphere, the completely new view from
>new windows... Well, I guess a psychologist would make something of that
>setting, family at the breakfast table or something like that, then I
>stand up to go and get something and suddenly find myself in new
>surrounding, there may be a room with a big fire place and one wall all
>made of glass facing a beautiful forest... then I know, some new story
>is there, waiting to be tackled. Waking up after dreams like that always
>leaves me confused but happy. Dreams are a strange matter...
>
>Eva
>The capacity for humor is a function of intellegence.
>(Black LeRoy in aca51)
You have a patience and application which suggest a shrewd combination of
creativity and discipline--often mutually exclusive conditions, Eva.
carl
was it a. . . . ummm . . . . a . . . darn . . . can't remember what it was now
. . . . whatever
the only intuitive <human interface> is still a major subject for debate within
the wireless paradigm