(C)rap music

Rick Jansen

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Well, I get more and more peeved off by (c)rap 'music' and
the like.

When watching MTV it sometimes seems to me the whole
'music' making industry consists of not-to-tell-apart
bunches of more or less black people from Brooklyn and
Harlem NY, running up and down in front of some
skyscrapers, aggressively waving clenched fists at me,
wearing caps the wrong way around, acquired Mercedes stars
around their neck, uttering incomprehensible things like
"YO!" and "CHECK OUT THE MUTAH", named "DJ Something". I
won't even enter into the noise that completes this
audiovisual feast.

Good thing is that it keeps me fit, running to the tv to
switch it to another channel, as I don't have a remote
control...

-Rick
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Geoff Miller

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Oct 29, 1991, 5:23:40 PM10/29/91

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In article <91302.1703...@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND...@HASARA11.BITNET
(Rick Jansen) writes:

>Well, I get more and more peeved off by (c)rap 'music' and
>the like.

>When watching MTV it sometimes seems to me the whole
>'music' making industry consists of not-to-tell-apart
>bunches of more or less black people from Brooklyn and
>Harlem NY, running up and down in front of some
>skyscrapers, aggressively waving clenched fists at me,
>wearing caps the wrong way around, acquired Mercedes stars
>around their neck, uttering incomprehensible things like
>"YO!" and "CHECK OUT THE MUTAH", named "DJ Something". I
>won't even enter into the noise that completes this
>audiovisual feast.

Of course, there is one, and only one, possible explanation for the
reason you feel this way: you're a bigot. And naturally, anyone who
vacillates for even a fraction of a second before reaching this
conclusion is equally bigoted.

Geoff "Rap is to music like Etch-a-Sketch is to art" Miller

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Jeff Dauber

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Oct 29, 1991, 5:38:38 PM10/29/91

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In article <91302.1703...@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND...@HASARA11.BITNET (Rick Jansen) writes:

>Well, I get more and more peeved off by (c)rap 'music' and
>the like.
>
>When watching MTV it sometimes seems to me the whole
>'music' making industry consists of not-to-tell-apart
>bunches of more or less black people from Brooklyn and
>Harlem NY, running up and down in front of some
>skyscrapers, aggressively waving clenched fists at me,
>wearing caps the wrong way around, acquired Mercedes stars
>around their neck, uttering incomprehensible things like
>"YO!" and "CHECK OUT THE MUTAH", named "DJ Something". I
>won't even enter into the noise that completes this
>audiovisual feast.

If you think that what MTV shows is typical of rap, you are
a complete and utter idiot. Is the rock and roll that MTV
shows typical of rock? No... So, why do you think that the
rap they show is typical of rap?

Peeve: people who judge an entire musical genre on what
mainstream media plays.

ObObscenity: Eat my shit, you worthless fuckhole...

FWA

Larry Phillips [Sun Vancouver FSE]

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Oct 29, 1991, 6:14:46 PM10/29/91

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>Well, I get more and more peeved off by (c)rap 'music' and
> the like.

Me too. And whenever you do happen to hear some rap that comes even close to
being OK, you can bet some vlack dude wuill start talking right over top of it.

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Rick Jansen

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Oct 30, 1991, 5:15:28 AM10/30/91

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>Of course, there is one, and only one, possible explanation for the
>reason you feel this way: you're a bigot. And naturally, anyone who
>vacillates for even a fraction of a second before reaching this
>conclusion is equally bigoted.

My, thank you. So I'm a bigot just because I don't want to
be waved at with clenched fists when I'm happily sitting
on the couch?

*snif*

To the Ground

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Oct 30, 1991, 9:00:57 AM10/30/91

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SOND...@HASARA11.BITNET (Rick Jansen) writes:
> When watching MTV it sometimes seems to me the whole
> 'music' making industry consists of not-to-tell-apart
> bunches of more or less black people from Brooklyn and
> Harlem NY, running up and down in front of some
> skyscrapers, aggressively waving clenched fists at me,
> wearing caps the wrong way around, acquired Mercedes stars
> around their neck, uttering incomprehensible things like
> "YO!" and "CHECK OUT THE MUTAH", named "DJ Something".

The Three Dee Crew featuring MC Esher.

My tip is to turn the volume right down and put on some DEVO. Watching
MC Hammer dance along to "Peek-a-boo" had me rolling around on the floor
with laughter. TELEX albums would also be eminently suitable as an
alternative sound track.

If you actually want to watch music videos, go and buy "Gasoline in Your
Eye" or "Cabaret Voltaire" by Cabaret Voltaire. Their video for "Sensoria"
is a must-see. (It's supposedly on permanent exhibition in the New York
museum of modern art.)

mathew

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Baron von Umlaut

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Oct 30, 1991, 2:13:55 PM10/30/91

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(Rick Jansen) writes:

>My, thank you. So I'm a bigot just because I don't want to
>be waved at with clenched fists when I'm happily sitting
>on the couch?

>*snif*

That's what they say.

Uh, Rick? I was kidding.

Peeve: Trying the subtle approach immediately after berating the alt.peeves
readership for not appreciating it.

Geoff

John L. Wilkerson Jr.

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Oct 30, 1991, 1:41:43 PM10/30/91

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dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>
>
> If you think that what MTV shows is typical of rap, you are
> a complete and utter idiot. Is the rock and roll that MTV
> shows typical of rock? No... So, why do you think that the
> rap they show is typical of rap?
>

I have heard Rap played by "regular people" on their stereos. I have
found it tasteless and disgusting, to say the least. One "song" I heard
once described sexual acts with Nancy Reagan, among other things.
I would consider the MTV stuff "mild" compared to the mainstream of
Rap. I've heard more than the example I've given. Some songs/groups
/are/ better, BUT some are equally bad, or worse.

>
>
> Peeve: people who judge an entire musical genre on what
> mainstream media plays.

True.... But in this case, his judgement was fitting.

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Jeff Dauber

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Oct 31, 1991, 1:06:15 PM10/31/91

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In article <9F9maB...@bluemoon.rn.com> jo...@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.) writes:
>dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>> If you think that what MTV shows is typical of rap, you are
>> a complete and utter idiot. Is the rock and roll that MTV
>> shows typical of rock? No... So, why do you think that the
>> rap they show is typical of rap?
>>
> I have heard Rap played by "regular people" on their stereos. I have
>found it tasteless and disgusting, to say the least. One "song" I heard
>once described sexual acts with Nancy Reagan, among other things.

"does nancy perform, acts of oral copulation, does nancy perform, acts of
oral copulation. Does she grab it by the handle on the white house
lawn, it starts out short, but it end up long." - Nancy, by Angst, a punk
rock band.

This music is not speaking to you. You are not really in a position to
make value judgements on music. You can say "I like it" or "I don't like
it." However, when you start saying "It is bad" or "It is good" you
will start getting arguments from me.

ObPeeve: People who judge all music on fucking hippy rock and roll...

Jeff
-FWA

Mr. Wierdwrench

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Oct 31, 1991, 1:33:13 PM10/31/91

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jo...@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.) writes:
>>
> I have heard Rap played by "regular people" on their stereos. I have
>found it tasteless and disgusting, to say the least. One "song" I heard
>once described sexual acts with Nancy Reagan, among other things.

HOT! Which group? I want it!

> True.... But in this case, his judgement was fitting.

Only if you're some kind of tightass white boy.

JZ
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Oct 31, 1991, 2:33:28 PM10/31/91

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In article <pe3...@fido.asd.sgi.com> dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
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> [stuff deleted]

>
>This music is not speaking to you. You are not really in a position to
>make value judgements on music. You can say "I like it" or "I don't like
>it." However, when you start saying "It is bad" or "It is good" you
>will start getting arguments from me.
>
>

C'mon, why are you going to argue? When someone says something
like "It is bad" it's a value judgement -- i.e., the "I think that..."
on the front is implied.

Unrelated peeve:

That I don't drive a piece of shit car so that I can plow into
morons on the road who have it coming. Like the blind four lane
glide across traffic, for example. Jeez, if I had a '69 Impala...

Shag

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Geoff Miller

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Oct 31, 1991, 2:35:17 PM10/31/91

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In article <1991Oct31....@odin.corp.sgi.com> zur...@sgi.com
(Mr. Wierdwrench) writes:

>Only if you're some kind of tightass white boy.

"There is a suppressed innate sense within the Cartesian,
tight-butt, honky caucasoid, which manifests itself in the guise
of a funky, dreadlock, boogeying mo-fo. This paradox is the
inherent conundrum of white society."

Charles Darwin
_The Origin of Species_

Larry Phillips [Sun Vancouver FSE]

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Oct 31, 1991, 8:15:05 PM10/31/91

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In article pe3...@fido.asd.sgi.com, dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber writes:
> "does nancy perform, acts of oral copulation, does nancy perform, acts of
> oral copulation. Does she grab it by the handle on the white house
> lawn, it starts out short, but it end up long." - Nancy, by Angst, a punk
> rock band.
>

> This music is not speaking to you. You are not really in a position to
> make value judgements on music. You can say "I like it" or "I don't like
> it." However, when you start saying "It is bad" or "It is good" you
> will start getting arguments from me.

You'll get an argument from me too, but only because of your insistence in
calling it 'music'. Now don't get me wrong; I am as eclectic in my musical tastes
as anyone can be, but I grew up believing that music and poetry are two different
things, and calling one by the opposite name, does not change what it really is.

You'll get a somewhat lesser argument from me if you call it good poetry, since
it sounds a lot like what I used to get my wrists slapped for; reading poetry with
that exagerrated cadence. It was always the mark of an uncultured halfwit to me,
when I heard someone 'chanting' a poem, and always will be. The reason the argument
on the poetry angle is 'lesser', is because, like music, the quality of poetry is rather
subjective, and not classifiable into bad or good. It is the poor quality performance
techniques that I dislike, not necessarily the content.

> ObPeeve: People who judge all music on fucking hippy rock and roll...

Well, at least it was music.

ObPeeve: Not being able to come up with a really good peeve on such a mellow day.

-larry

Rick Jansen

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Nov 1, 1991, 10:04:26 AM11/1/91

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>Peeve: people who judge an entire musical genre on what

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>mainstream media plays.

I wan't commenting on the 'music', but on the presentation, the image.
I don't like to be abused by people who seem to have nothing
positive to say, to put it very mildly.

>
>ObObscenity: Eat my shit, you worthless fuckhole...

No thanks, I just had lunch. You do seem to have a shit-obsession?

>FWA

Hmm.. not NWA?

That's Fat SIR to you!!

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In article <pe3...@fido.asd.sgi.com> dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

This music is not speaking to you. You are not really in a position to
make value judgements on music. You can say "I like it" or "I don't like
it." However, when you start saying "It is bad" or "It is good" you
will start getting arguments from me.

ObPeeve: People who judge all music on fucking hippy rock and roll...

Jeff
-FWA

Oh yes we can, Jeff. "It's inane, it's profane, it's vain, it's insane,
it's a pain, no brain, cuts the grain, it's a bane, so refrain!
... cause RAP is CRAP! Let me tell ya now, fella! that RAP is CRAP!"

Larry.

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sh...@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt) bubbles:

=> Unrelated peeve:
=>
=> That I don't drive a piece of shit car so that I can plow into
=> morons on the road who have it coming. Like the blind four lane
=> glide across traffic, for example. Jeez, if I had a '69 Impala...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think SFisher might be able to help here.....

=>
=> Shag

OBpeeve: Having two mail accounts, and having to go to IS to have them
setup forwarding.

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Michael Hart

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In <91302.1703...@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND...@HASARA11.BITNET (Rick Jansen) writes:

>Well, I get more and more peeved off by (c)rap 'music' and
>the like.
>

amen. What's the point of this rap shit anyway? So some
people who have no musical talent, no voice, and frequently no clue
can make money? I saw part of one once that was telling the
story of how the white {people|cops|establishment} was all in
a conspiracy to "get" the black man. This is what they're
teaching their youth, to be adversarial in a world rapidly
growing smaller?

>wearing caps the wrong way around,

YES! I think this was one of my very first posted peeves!
Can someone please explain to me what the point of wearing
a cap backwards is? Maybe _I'm_ the one with no clue,
'cause I just don't get it.

>Good thing is that it keeps me fit, running to the tv to
>switch it to another channel, as I don't have a remote
>control...

No to mention running to the can to puke.

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Geoff Miller

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In article <hart.688994909@blackjack> ha...@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart) writes:

>>wearing caps the wrong way around,

>YES! I think this was one of my very first posted peeves!
>Can someone please explain to me what the point of wearing
>a cap backwards is? Maybe _I'm_ the one with no clue,
>'cause I just don't get it.

They don't usually wear them backwards, but at some random sideways angle.
This, and the pantyhose headgear that was popular a few years ago, only
prove that some people will do anything to follow a fad, even if it means
looking silly.

Addressing a different fashion affectation, did anyone notice that all of
a sudden, maybe three years ago, everyone suddenly started wearing their
"fanny" packs the wrong way around, with the pouch on the front? I can
see how the things would be more practical that way, so I don't take
issue with this. I just think it's interesting that so many people took
up the same style so quickly, like birds heeding the call to migrate or
something.

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Nov 2, 1991, 1:53:23 PM11/2/91

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In <67...@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geo...@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

>Addressing a different fashion affectation, did anyone notice that all of
>a sudden, maybe three years ago, everyone suddenly started wearing their
>"fanny" packs the wrong way around, with the pouch on the front? I can
>see how the things would be more practical that way, so I don't take
>issue with this. I just think it's interesting that so many people took
>up the same style so quickly, like birds heeding the call to migrate or
>something.

I noticed a similar fad back in Vancouver in '89 - people (well, women and
aspiring-Yuppie assholes) started wearing stupid-looking designer money
belts. Some of them were getting to be almost fanny-pack size, and I've
since heard about the fanny-pack fad in the States.

Personally, I never saw much point. Ok, maybe if you got one the size of
a 10-litre fanny pack it might conceivably substitute for the mini-suitcase
that some women carry all their... whatever it is they carry... in. It's
the little tiny credit-card sized ones I couldn't figure out. If they were
using them as money belts it was pretty stupid because 1) there's no need
for one in Vancouver and 2) wearing one outside clothes is pointless. The
things were too small to carry anything else and as a fashion accessory they
only made it if you wanted to sport "the stupid look."

The west coast seems to attract people who like stupid fads. Dunno why...

-Steve

Bonus Peeve: Yuppies. Everything about Yuppies. I hate 'em. I really
hate Yuppies. Need I go into details?

(Yes, I know I'm following up a Geoffm post, but hey, it gets to be too much
work thinking up ways to disagree with him all the time...)
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In article <67...@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geo...@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>I really think there are undetected forces in nature that cause people to
>act in certain subtle ways.

I was playing volley ball at a park today, when all of the sudden a bunch of
tenage girls piled out of a car at a stoplight on the corner and began a chinese
fire drill complete with much yelling and screaming.

I wondered aloud how a bunch of teenage girls knew about CFD's. One of the
other guys kids spoke up, "They did that on Wonder Years".

I suspect that's one of the undetected forces in nature. You'd think they
would have at least told them to do it on a green light.

Peeve: People who mimic other people for effect.

Peter

Logan Shaw

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Nov 3, 1991, 1:33:36 AM11/3/91

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In article <ph8...@fido.asd.sgi.com> dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>What constitutes music in your mind? Why is something with lots of

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>rhythm (almost entirely rhythm) not music? Is the drum music from Ghana

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>not music? Why is it that music which uses non-standard instrumentation
>(ie, just drums, scratching and samples) not music?

That's just it! [Most] rap _doesn't_ have any _interesting_ rhythym
in it. Every darn syllable is on a down beat! All they do is program
a drum machine with the same rhythym over and over again! ARGH!!
And the actual rapping usually just alternates between quarter notes
and pairs of eighth notes. Bleah....

And the samples - I think there are about 10 samples in existence
that rap artists use.

But I do like some rap music, usually (from some reason) the stuff
that the female rappers do.

Adios,
Logan
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Brian Scearce

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Nov 3, 1991, 9:09:54 PM11/3/91

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dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Because NWA is Niggers With Attitude.

That's "Niggas With Attitude".

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Nov 4, 1991, 1:41:56 PM11/4/91

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In article <37...@shamash.cdc.com> b...@u02.svl.cdc.com (Brian Scearce) writes:
>dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>Because NWA is Niggers With Attitude.
>
>That's "Niggas With Attitude".

That depends on which release you look at. On their first release, it was
spelled with the ers.

FWA

Jeff Dauber

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Nov 4, 1991, 1:38:44 PM11/4/91

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In article <1991Nov2.2...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bber...@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
>I agree that Rap is music. It just isn't a very artful form of it. I
>personally believe that Rap is the LEAST artful form of music.

And what makes you qualified to say what is art and what is not art?

>You have your opinion, the rest of the world has theirs.

I know you are, but what am I? ;-)

FWA

Stephen Graham

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Nov 4, 1991, 3:09:02 PM11/4/91

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In article <67...@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geo...@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>In article <77...@cernvax.cern.ch> ste...@cernvm.cern.ch writes:
>>Bonus Peeve: Yuppies. Everything about Yuppies. I hate 'em. I really
>>hate Yuppies. Need I go into details?
>
>I don't understand why so many people dislike yuppies so rabidly. True, the
>stereotypical yuppie has certain less-than-desirable attributes, such as what
>many feel to be greed and excessive materialism. But I suspect that much of
>that sentiment is just sour grapes -- the resentment that the have-nots have
>always had for the haves. I'd wager that a lot of folks just resent yuppies
>because they managed to acquire certain material comforts earlier in life
>than previous generations did.

Hmm, how about Yuppies...

Can't talk about anything but themselves.

Have raised rudeness to heights never thought of before.

Display all the individuality of hospital scrubs.

Inflict horrific names on their kids.

I'd go on, but I think I'll eat lunch instead.
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Geoff Miller

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Nov 4, 1991, 4:36:54 PM11/4/91

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In article <1991Nov2.1...@news.iastate.edu> z1...@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson -- Seed Testing Labortory) writes:

> The second one was wearing sweatshirts inside out, even if there
>were no stains or other ugliness to hide. I think this had something to
>do with showing off the manufacturers tag, but I may be mistaken.

Remember when _Flashdance_ was a first-run movie, and all the junior high
school girls bought Esprit sweatshirts, ripped the collars out of them
(much to their parents' delight, I'm sure) and wore them hanging off one
shoulder? How about the Great Legwarmer Craze sparked by Jane Fonda's
exercise video? ("But what do you do with the sweaters after you've cut
the arms off of them? I never see anyone wearing wool vests!")

> The worst, of course, was the fad for wearing oversize leather
>jackets. These jackets had to be brown, with two cargo pockets with no
>method of closing them, and cost several times the price of the store they
>were bought in. Naturally, the dweebs who bought them refuse to wear them
>a mere six months later.

And just think, innocent animals were *murdered* to make those jackets!
(I knew there was a reason that my libido goes off-scale high when I
wear mine...)

Jeff Dauber

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In article <george.689275734@windslc> geo...@windslc.seri.gov (George Scott) writes:
>dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>>Omigod..... another SWM (stiff white male)...
>>I bet you can't dance either....
>
>Peeve: Where is Jones Murphy when we really need him?

I was wondering if anyone would catch that one.

>Maybe Jeff IS Jones Murphy...

Jones-ey is alive and well and laughing at you still....

FWA

Elaine Richards

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Nov 4, 1991, 1:49:07 PM11/4/91

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In article <r9k...@lynx.unm.edu> ee...@triton.unm.edu (Peter Blemel) writes:
>In article <67...@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geo...@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
:>
:>I really think there are undetected forces in nature that cause people to
:>act in certain subtle ways.
:
:I was playing volley ball at a park today, when all of the sudden a bunch of
:tenage girls piled out of a car at a stoplight on the corner and began a chinese
:fire drill complete with much yelling and screaming.
:
:I wondered aloud how a bunch of teenage girls knew about CFD's. One of the
:other guys kids spoke up, "They did that on Wonder Years".

Teenaged girls know a lot of things. They don't have to get it from TV.
I used to partake in CFDs in the early 70s and I learned about it from
a guy whose 20 year old cousin used to do them.

Think about it. Knowledge does not necessarily pass from adult to child.
Many things are passed from child to child. "Ring Around the Rosy" is
a song passed from child to child since the era of the Bubonic Plague.

Peeve: Folks who don't give children enough credit for having their
own folklore.

ER
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In article <1991Oct31.1...@aero.org> sh...@aero.org (Robert M. Unverzagt) writes:

< Unrelated peeve:

< That I don't drive a piece of shit car so that I can plow into

< morons on the road who have it coming. Like the blind four lane

< glide across traffic, for example. Jeez, if I had a '69 Impala...

HEY! That piece of iron is a CLASSIC!

If you want something to go SMACK in, just
get any one of the crummy wrecks built between
1971 and 1976...like a 1973 Plymouth Fury;
you get 2 tons of steel to play bumper car
with, an ugly-as-sin box of a body so you DON'T
feel bad about wrecking it and rotten fuel
economy.

ObPeeve: folks running down nice cars, like 69 Impalas....

Bill Berbenich

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dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1991Nov2.2...@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bber...@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
>>I agree that Rap is music. It just isn't a very artful form of it. I
>>personally believe that Rap is the LEAST artful form of music.

>And what makes you qualified to say what is art and what is not art?

Rap caters to the "Least Common Denominator" of its listeners. I believe
that is why I don't like it. It's too excruciating and intellectually
deadening to listen to most, if not all of it, in my stiff ethnic male
opinion.

That LCD factor seems to be the reason that its popular, no? A lot of
the rappers who are men and women of color try to say that they are
following in the footsteps of previous jazz and R&R greats. Maybe so,
but it's a downhill march if that's the case.

Rap is music and rap is art. We agree on that, I'd guess. It just resides
at the lower end of those respective (if not respectable) definitions in
Bill's Book (tm).

Nosy

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<In article <1991Nov4.2...@beaver.cs.washington.edu> gra...@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:
<In article <67...@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geo...@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
<>In article <77...@cernvax.cern.ch> ste...@cernvm.cern.ch writes:
<>>Bonus Peeve: Yuppies. Everything about Yuppies. I hate 'em. I really
<>>hate Yuppies. Need I go into details?
<>
<>I don't understand why so many people dislike yuppies so rabidly. True, the
<>stereotypical yuppie has certain less-than-desirable attributes, such as what
<many feel to be greed and excessive materialism. But I suspect that much of
<>that sentiment is just sour grapes -- the resentment that the have-nots have
<>always had for the haves. I'd wager that a lot of folks just resent yuppies
<>because they managed to acquire certain material comforts earlier in life
<>than previous generations did.

< Hmm, how about Yuppies...

< Can't talk about anything but themselves.

AND have created an entire "industry" to do this;
12 step programs, "New Age" psycho-dramas and
so forth.

ObPrediction: "mid life crisis" and/or depression will become
the new "must have" 'affliction', displacing "previous
life child abuse" in popularity.

< Have raised rudeness to heights never thought of before.

ObPeeve: Bratty kids in eating places (spawn of Yuppies!),
morons who insist on taking up two parking spaces
for their cars (BMW/Astro driving Yuppies!),
idiots who wander into the 10 item line with
30 Le Menu microwave dinners and insist that
they only have "one" item..(need I say more?).

< Display all the individuality of hospital scrubs.

"We are all individuals here, in our trendy
clothes/hairstyles/vehicles/tv shows (is 30-whiny
still on?)."

< Inflict horrific names on their kids.

"JASON! PUT THAT MAN'S PLATE BACK ON THE TABLE
AND COME HERE! JASON! I MEAN IT, I REALLY DO!
JASON! I'M NOT KIDDING THIS TIME! JASON!

JASON!

[repeat endlessly]"

< I'd go on, but I think I'll eat lunch instead.

That's ok, I'll stop now myself. Got to
leave some peeves for the rest....

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Nov 6, 1991, 12:42:06 AM11/6/91

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>
>ObObscenity: Eat my shit, you worthless fuckhole...

Is that what they call a 'scathing remark'? :-)

(The words I learn online...)

-Rick.
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Chris Pirih

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Nov 6, 1991, 3:33:58 AM11/6/91

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In alt.peeves boo...@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
;Peeve: Folks who don't give children enough credit for having their
;own folklore.

We are all children.

Peeve: treating people of different ages like different species.

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In <1991Nov4.2...@beaver.cs.washington.edu> gra...@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:

>Hmm, how about Yuppies...

How about them? My, my, there's so much room for material here. Where do I
start?

Why I hate Yuppie skiers:

Because they're so snobbish and so stylish and so unbearably smug, and
worst of all

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO DAMNED CLUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING!!!!

Look, I've been skiing for 20 years now. I know how to ski. But
what do I see every time I go out around Vancouver? Yuppie scum
everywhere. They've all had a dozen very expensive lessons which they
proudly boast about, to prove that they are Expert Skiers. But they
aren't. They have no practice. When the going gets tough, they panic.

And the going always gets tough because they're too stupid to realise
that they can't handle really tough slopes, so they go and they fall and
they make a mess of themselves and block the path for people who know
what they're doing. Some of them even get hurt. I'd feel sorry for
the misguided fools if they weren't all such assholes.

And then there are the Yuppie ski-loungers, always in matching his and
hers tasteful ski outfits, with their names written on the back: "Chad"
and "Muffy". Always the latest high-tech skis, which are far too good
for them. Always using the proper snobbish terms, "off-piste" and
"apres ski," which no real skier ever utters in a lifetime. Real skiers
wear old downfilled coats and strange hats with tails which are even
longer than their metre-long beards. They rarely say anything, let alone
"apres ski."

And then there are the Camcorder-carriers. Always moving slowly so as
not to damage their toys, sweeping out big but unpredictable arcs which
effectively block the hill. A ski pole between their legs will cause
them to execute a most entertaining and spectacular face-plant.

Why I hate Yuppies outdoors:

Because they're trendy gear fascists who have an orgasm at the mere
sight of Gore-tex (tm).

Because they have no clue what they're doing.

Because they convince each other they're experts even though they
don't know what they're doing, then boast about it.

Because they turn on their environmentally-safe lights at night and
sit around enthusing at each other about what a great experience they're
having, instead of shutting the hell up and having a great experience.

Why I hate Yuppie tourists:

Because they're everywhere. You can't get away from them. No matter
what place you find, no matter how wildly remote, a Yuppie adventure
tour company will be there already. Imagine staggering into the middle
of some dingy outpost in the middle of the Sahara, looking forward to
the chance to sit around and tell camel jokes with the soldier marooned
there, only to find a bar with a helicopter pad and Yuppies drinking
Perrier.

Why I hate Yuppies in restaurants:

Because they all drink bottled French water, which is no better than
bottled Canadian water and indeed, no better than the TAP WATER in places
like Vancouver.

Why I hate Yuppies on the road:

Because they always have a "Baby on Board" sticker in their back
window. What's the point??? As if I'll suddenly decide that "Oh,
gee, they have a baby on board. I better not run them over, then."

Because they're so damned smug sitting there behind the wheel of
their Volvo/BMW/Merc/Jetta(poor Yuppies only), proudly sneering at we
lesser mortals.

AntiPeeve: Passing Yuppies in my big ugly green truck. Especially when
I get to pass them on a gravel road and spray their BMW with rocks...
This is a height of excitement only exceeded by the time I outpaced a Jag.

Bill Berbenich

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I've seen some really heavy peevings here about Yuppies. Maybe you
peevers could come to channelling classes with Heather, Kurt, and I
and work out all of that nasty angst?

Have a Nice Day!

Michael Hart

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Nov 8, 1991, 6:23:16 AM11/8/91

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In <ph9...@fido.asd.sgi.com> dau...@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <hart.688994909@blackjack> ha...@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart) writes:
>>In <91302.1703...@HASARA11.BITNET> SOND...@HASARA11.BITNET (Rick Jansen) writes:
>>
>>>Well, I get more and more peeved off by (c)rap 'music' and
>>>the like.
>>>
>>amen. What's the point of this rap shit anyway? So some
>>people who have no musical talent, no voice, and frequently no clue
>>can make money? I saw part of one once that was telling the
>>story of how the white {people|cops|establishment} was all in
>>a conspiracy to "get" the black man. This is what they're
>>teaching their youth, to be adversarial in a world rapidly
>>growing smaller?

>Gosh, the incidence of SWM (Stiff White Males) seems inordinately high
>here.

>Hey fool, if rap is so easy to make, why don't you record it and make
>your fortune....

No, fool, the point is not that it's easy to make. But, since I have
no musical talent and no voice, yes, I _am_ qualified to make some
(c)rap 'music'.

The point is, why are the (c)rappers so intent on creating yet more
discontent and hate in the mind of the (usually) younger generations of
kids? (Usually black, but also hispanic, white, oriental, whatever.)

Instead of teaching our youth to hate and kill, and that the entire white
world is involved in some long-running, far-reaching, all-encompassing
long-range global conspiracy to subjugate, humiliate and exterminate the
blacks, how about teaching a message of self-determination, pride,
self-worth, value of life, helping others, responsibility?

Hey, there's no question that the blacks (and other minorities) had gotten
short shrift in the past. But, _I_ don't owe an eternal debt to everyone.
It's not _my personal responsibility_ to see to it that every poor black
kid gets a nice new home and a cushy job because his ancestors might have been
slaves. It is my responsibility, duty and obligation to every black kid
to treat them with normal human dignity and respect, and not to place unfair
obstacles in their path. I attempt to keep that duty, to the best of my
ability. Likewise, it is the obligation of every black kid to live up to their
obligation to act as citizens in a responsible fashion, and, it is their
parents' responsibility to teach them that obligation, and how to have respect
for other people, and themselves.

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