Putting the "head" back in "Campaign Headquarters"
Tim Mefford
considered that Hillary Clinton might actually end up in the U.S.
senate. It didn't seem very likely to me. Then, last night, I
turn on the cathode ray tube to see tearful prostate cancer victim
Rudy Giuliani caught with his pants down, announcing the end of
his marriage, apparently over his diddling two campaign staff workers,
who, incidently, were both of the same physical type. (As an aside,
has anyone else noticed that the serial philanderer type seems
especially prone to locking in on a particular look, replacing one woman
with a younger look-alike, rather like John Derek replacing Linda
Evans with Bo Derek?) Revealing a likelihood of kicking in office
has never helped anyone's chances of being elected to anything (With
the possible exceptions of Popes and Soviet heads of state.) and the
cheating on the wife thing probably won't do much for a representative
of the so-called "family values" party.
What is it with politicians and their chiefs of staff? Are all the
scumbag geezers passing viagra around like popcorn down at party
headquarters?
H. Clinton in the senate. Ugh. Our government gets worse and worse
I never liked Bill, and, as his wife seems not to deviate much policy-
wise, I don't like her either. Nonetheless, I'm (mostly) going to
resist making the obvious Rush-esque joke lamenting that Moynihan may
not have been the best politician, but at least he was a better looker.
That's silly, immaterial, unfair, and, in the long run, distracts
attention from the dangerous Clinton disregard for the constitution
and individual rights, not to mention the tendancy to suck up to (some)
big business. Frankly, I'd rather see Hillary in tight PVC than in
the senate, and as long as "pundits" ignore the possibility of the
latter in order to make cheap yuks over her looks, they'll be getting
it good and hard.
On the other hand, I didn't really want Rudy to win either. Isn't
there some provision for leaving a seat unfilled if both candidates
suck? I guess quorum issues would argue against that.
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Felis Concolor
a generally reasonable rant about Rudy):
>Revealing a likelihood of kicking in office
>has never helped anyone's chances of being elected to anything...
For what it's worth, Rudy's particular illness doesn't give
him a much greater chance of kicking the bucket before
his time.
Of course, the public may not perceive things this way.
Lenore Levine
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sheeple either subscribing to or congenitally afflicted with Xristianity are
really not too difficult for one of average cupitiy to swallow." -- Ian
demonstrates the true use of "sheeple."
Don Homuth
On 11 May 2000, Tim Mefford wrote:
> For all these many months, I had never for a moment stopped and
> considered that Hillary Clinton might actually end up in the U.S.
> senate. It didn't seem very likely to me.
You assume that The Voters in New Yawk are much like you. Which is also
not very likely.
> Then, last night, I
> turn on the cathode ray tube to see tearful prostate cancer victim
> Rudy Giuliani caught with his pants down, announcing the end of
> his marriage, apparently over his diddling two campaign staff workers,
> who, incidently, were both of the same physical type.
After last year's jape wrt Political Sexuality (which amounted mostly to
nothing much at all, save that WJC seems to have a taste for Women With
Big - er - Hair), I find it a genuine pleasure to find a Horny Republican
out there. Not that there aren't any -- we had a former GOP Conservative
sort here in the OR 5th CD who did pretty much the same sort of thing, for
which The Voters rewarded him with retirement.
But there is this -- I unnerstand why Giuliani would do it, but why would
the women do it with him? I know Politics Makes One Horny -- seen it work
up close -- but....
> (As an aside,
> has anyone else noticed that the serial philanderer type seems
> especially prone to locking in on a particular look, replacing one woman
> with a younger look-alike, rather like John Derek replacing Linda
> Evans with Bo Derek?)
ObGenerationalThing: We are discussing Male Old Farts here who are not
looking for a New Woman, but for a re-creation of the Women Of Their
Youth. This is generally a fool's errand -- but the best thing about
lechery as a hobby is that the available field enlarges every year.
> Revealing a likelihood of kicking in office
> has never helped anyone's chances of being elected to anything (With
> the possible exceptions of Popes and Soviet heads of state.) and the
> cheating on the wife thing probably won't do much for a representative
> of the so-called "family values" party.
But -- the irony is utterly delectable, withal, doncha think? After all,
The Newt did the same sort of thing along with several others. GOP
friends of mine in DeeCee chuckled that during the Impeachment Hearings,
about two dozen GOP mistresses got put on hold for the duration, and
became mildly fromaged about it.
> What is it with politicians and their chiefs of staff?
Truly it is said: Propinquity is really the only relevant social variable.
> Are all the
> scumbag geezers passing viagra around like popcorn down at party
> headquarters?
They don't need to. The "Star Fuckers" wandering around the political
sphere are all too available. The lechery here doesn't only run the one
direction.
> H. Clinton in the senate. Ugh.
Why? The inhabitants thereof are not hardly saintly, and have never been
throughout history. She might just liven the place up some, and damned
sure she's a helluva lot smarter than most of them.
> Our government gets worse and worse
Aw -- it's doing fine, ftmp. So is the nation. Whining because Your
Select Few don't hold relevant offices doesn't seem to have much impact on
what's really important.
> I never liked Bill, and, as his wife seems not to deviate much policy-
> wise, I don't like her either.
Got a coupla Truly Librul Looney friends, and they don't much like the
Clinton's either -- for policy reasons different from yours, I s'pose. I
like them fine, mostly. Moderate D's and R's are my favorite sort of
folks.
> Nonetheless, I'm (mostly) going to
> resist making the obvious Rush-esque joke lamenting that Moynihan may
> not have been the best politician, but at least he was a better looker.
ObDeclineandFall: MT Cicero played the same sort of rhetorical trick wrt
Catiline in the orations. always rather liked the device, even as it was
easy to see through.
> That's silly, immaterial, unfair, and, in the long run, distracts
> attention from the dangerous Clinton disregard for the constitution
> and individual rights,
Well, if there's a clear Constitutional problem, the remedy is both
obvious and available.
> not to mention the tendancy to suck up to (some) big business.
Everybody goes with their friends, even in politics. Here in Orygun, the
truckers don't get much slack from the D's, but that's 'cause they spend a
lot of time bad-mouthing them. Same in DeeCee.
> Frankly, I'd rather see Hillary in tight PVC than in the senate,
Might be interesting at that, but even better if she wore the PVC to the
Senate. Now *that* would be a photo op!
> ...and as long as "pundits" ignore the possibility of the
> latter in order to make cheap yuks over her looks, they'll be getting
> it good and hard.
Journalists need their jollys too -- and in DeeCee, they're hard to come
by.
> On the other hand, I didn't really want Rudy to win either. Isn't
> there some provision for leaving a seat unfilled if both candidates
> suck? I guess quorum issues would argue against that.
Ask The Voters.
Art Walker
>For what it's worth, Rudy's particular illness doesn't give
>him a much greater chance of kicking the bucket before
>his time.
All the better.
I know a number of people who, seeing Rudy's current embarassments
(including the probable end of his Senate bid and the likelyhood of him
leaving the Mayor's office before the end of the month), hope he lives
to 100.
- Art
Pat Steppic
wrote:
>[...]
>Rudy Giuliani ... diddling two campaign staff workers,
>who, incidently, were both of the same physical type. (As an aside,
>has anyone else noticed that the serial philanderer type seems
>especially prone to locking in on a particular look, replacing one
woman
>with a younger look-alike, rather like John Derek replacing Linda
>Evans with Bo Derek?)
Linda Evans being, in turn, John's replacement for Ursula Andress, the
three of them, at similar ages, being practically indistinguishable from
one another.
>H. Clinton in the senate. Ugh. Our government gets worse and worse
>I never liked Bill, and, as his wife seems not to deviate much policy-
>wise, I don't like her either. Nonetheless, I'm (mostly) going to
>resist making the obvious Rush-esque joke lamenting that Moynihan may
>not have been the best politician, but at least he was a better looker.
At the risk of sounding overly sympathetic to her (and if anyone has a
problem with this, here's a nice pre-emptive "fuck you, too,
shitstain"), what *is* it with pundits, wimmin pols and looks?
Why is it the teeniest bit relevant to *anything* that Hillary isn't nor
ever was Miss America?
And anyway, I'd peg her looks as "average," and not much lower than
that. Did Bella Abzug ever have to endure these kinds of ad hominem[1]
attacks?
Is it some kind of latency left over from the days of the Kennedys?
Jackie wasn't bad to look at. Does this mean that all subsequent
presidential wives are judged on appearance?
I'm reminded of the one and only time Rush went on David Letterman's
show. It was a learning experience for him -- he couldn't stack the
audience with those who, with no critical faculties of their own, devour
his every word. There was some booing coming from the audience, and it
flustered him.
At one point, he latched onto the "Hillary is ugly" schtick which goes
over big with the semi-literate element of his audience. True to form,
he found it hard to let go, fancying himself a comedian. "She's just
*ugly*," he said, again and again.
"You yourself being a prime physical specimen, then?" asked Dave, to
loud cheers from the audience...sauce for the goose, &c.
It was hilarious -- and telling -- that Rush absolutely could not think
of a single retort. He simply isn't quick-witted enough. It's equally
telling that he's so thin-skinned that he never again ventured out in
public, as it were, to another talk show or venue where he couldn't
perform exclusively in front of a dittoheads-controlled audience.
>That's silly, immaterial, unfair, and, in the long run, distracts
>attention from the dangerous Clinton disregard for the constitution
>and individual rights, not to mention the tendancy to suck up to (some)
>big business.
I don't know how this makes her (or her husband) any different from any
other pol, presidential or otherwise.
>Frankly, I'd rather see Hillary in tight PVC than in
>the senate, and as long as "pundits" ignore the possibility of the
>latter in order to make cheap yuks over her looks, they'll be getting
>it good and hard.
>
>On the other hand, I didn't really want Rudy to win either. Isn't
>there some provision for leaving a seat unfilled if both candidates
>suck? I guess quorum issues would argue against that.
I don't remember where I read the suggestion (might have been here):
put an option on every ballot: "None of the above." If that option
scores a majority or plurality, have another election for the same
office, with all new candidates -- those on the first ballot are barred
from trying again until the next election.
Pat "Why no one does this, I just don't know" Steppic
[1] What *is* the feminine equivalent of "ad hominem," anyway?
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Tim Mefford <t...@user2.teleport.com> wrote:
> On the other hand, I didn't really want Rudy to win either.
> Isn't there some provision for leaving a seat unfilled if both
> candidates suck?
One suggestion is to put "None of the Above" on every ballot. And
if it gets the plurality, the election has to be held again a month
later. With none of the original candidates.
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Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Mr. Snippo was here.
>I'm reminded of the one and only time Rush went on David Letterman's
>show. It was a learning experience for him -- he couldn't stack the
>audience with those who, with no critical faculties of their own, devour
>his every word. There was some booing coming from the audience, and it
>flustered him.
Ah the "mind numbed robots" that like Rush Limbau. The
left wing's way of dismissing someone they find a thorn in their
side. I just happen to be someone who enjoys Mr. Limbau. He is
astute, amusing and does a good job.
I would also like to point out that the many attempts of
the left to field a competitor have been abysmal failures -
Gov Cuomo, Gov "Moonbeam" Brown and Bill Press to name three that
I know of.
And lest we forget, the fans of "Dave" do tend to be lefty
nihilists. Hardly the types to enjoy Mr. Limbau.
And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
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Glen Quarnstrom
> Ah the "mind numbed robots" that like Rush Limbau. The
That'd be "Limbaugh," robot.
>left wing's way of dismissing someone they find a thorn in their
>side. I just happen to be someone who enjoys Mr. Limbau. He is
>astute, amusing and does a good job.
Yeah, I find it kneeslappingly funny when he says with a straight face
that Janet Reno was to blame for Ruby Ridge and nobody calls him on it.
> And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
>hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
You have no clue as to when Dave's show is actually taped, do you?
>up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
>apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
Not a bad troll, kid. I give it a Five.
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jul...@bongo.tele.com
Quarnstrom <gl...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>jul...@bongo.tele.com wrote:
>
>Yeah, I find it kneeslappingly funny when he (Rush Limbaugh)
>says with a straight face that Janet Reno was to blame for Ruby
>Ridge and nobody calls him on it.
Who would you like to call him on it? CNN?
>
>> And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
>>hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
>
>You have no clue as to when Dave's show is actually taped, do you?
Sure I do, I have worked in the same building. So, I also
know who makes up the audience. No lifes who are die hard "Dave"
fans and will wait over night on the sidewalk to get some of the
unreserved tickets. At any show, the audience is made up pretty
exclusively of Letterman Losers.
As I have demonstrated in the past, Letterman Losers like
to think that like "Dave", they are urbane and hip, they are
actually dull little people that get very upset when ribbed.
>
>>up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
>>apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
>
>Not a bad troll, kid. I give it a Five.
How nice, a variation of "I'm only trolling", We have the
Quarnstrom "You're only trolling".
M Holmes
: I don't remember where I read the suggestion (might have been here):
: put an option on every ballot: "None of the above." If that option
: scores a majority or plurality, have another election for the same
: office, with all new candidates -- those on the first ballot are barred
: from trying again until the next election.
As a regular voter for "None of the Above" I'd like to make it clear
that my preference, should we win, is that the post remains unfilled.
In the long term I'd hope that such a victory could be extended to all
the seats in Parliament.
FoFP
Alex Elliott
t...@user2.teleport.com (Tim Mefford) wrote:
>
>For all these many months, I had never for a moment stopped and
>considered that Hillary Clinton might actually end up in the U.S.
>senate. It didn't seem very likely to me.
The popular wisdom about the Rudy-Hillary fight is that each one
is the only person in the country who the other could actually beat
in an election. Some polls have indicated that around 70% of the
eligible voters have already decided who they're going to vote
against.
>Rudy Giuliani caught with his pants down, announcing the end of
>his marriage, apparently over his diddling two campaign staff workers,
Not exactly. The most recent one is not professionally affiliated
with him. The previous one (which he has *not* admitted to) was
his communications director (not for his campaign, but an actual
city employee) who, during the course of the alleged affair, was
promoted and given a huge raise despite the fact that everyone said
that she was doing a lousy job.
>and the
>cheating on the wife thing probably won't do much for a representative
>of the so-called "family values" party.
He's been on shaky ground with the "family values" crew from day one.
Although they like his stances on crime and taxes, Giuliani is pro-gun
control, pro-choice, and pro-gay rights. The "true conservatives" only
support him because he's slightly less detestable than Hillary.
The biggest problem that faces him is the third-party endorsements.
In New York, a candidate may be chosen as the nominee by more than
one party and will be listed on the ballot multiple times, one for
each party which endorses him. The Conservative Party is one of the
more powerful of these parties (especially outside of NYC) and no
Republican has won a state-wide race for decades without CP backing.
Rudy never had the CP endorsement in his mayoral races (the Liberal
Party did endorse him, though). At least one other person has recently
challenged Rudy for the CP endorsement and, with this latest development,
it's becoming increasingly likely that a high-profile "true conservative"
will step into the race.
Of course, the CP factor is fuzzier these days because of the rise
of the Independence Party (the NY arm of Perot's Reform Party) as the
largest third party in the state. However, the IP is currently in
disarray, split between the Buchananites and the Trumpoids. Even
though Trump is not in the presidential race, the Trumpoids would
prefer to endorse no-one for president and concentrate on state
politics. Trump has recently started working on behalf of Giuliani
to sieze the IP nomination. When asked whether he would consent
to sit on a ballot line with Buchanan at its head, Rudy has been
noncommittal.
>H. Clinton in the senate.
ObH.ClintonPeeve: What was with her Q&A thingie on the Today Show
yesterday? They had a sort of "town meeting" setup with a bunch of
racially diverse New Yorkers in the studio asking her questions for an
hour or more. WTF was up with that? It might have been appropriate
to do with a presidential candidate, but the Today Show purports to be a
national program. Giving the entire show over to a candidate in a race
that the vast majority of Americans have no say in is stupid.
Alex.
Pat Steppic
jul...@bongo.tele.com wrote:
> In article <8ffasu$23m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Mr. Snippo was here.
> >I'm reminded of the one and only time Rush went on David Letterman's
>
> Ah the "mind numbed robots" that like Rush Limbau. The
> side.
I don't think he's a thorn in anyone's side more than any other heckler.
He might *fancy* himself that, but anyone who doesn't like him who
actually takes him seriously gets pretty much what they deserve. It's
not exactly as if "Hillary is ugly, Reno is a lesbian" is exactly
incisive political discourse -- which was precisely the point of the
ur-post on this thread.
> I just happen to be someone who enjoys Mr. Limbau. He is
> astute, amusing and does a good job.
>
> I would also like to point out that the many attempts of
> the left to field a competitor have been abysmal failures -
> Gov Cuomo, Gov "Moonbeam" Brown and Bill Press to name three that
> I know of.
Sounds like it WROYH, Julian. Maybe the left doesn't field a competitor
simply because it'd be a wasted effort?
> And lest we forget, the fans of "Dave" do tend to be lefty
> nihilists. Hardly the types to enjoy Mr. Limbau.
So they *do* have a competitor. Which is it? Do they, or don't they?
> And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
> hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
> up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
> apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
Well, I was up at 6:15 this morning, like I am on most mornings...and I
don't watch Letterman anymore, but I did see *that* show, a few years
ago (at a time when I worked graveyard shift, anyway). And you failed
to address my point: that he came across not just as a buffoon, but as a
buffoon who can't be humorous without a script.
If that's the sort of "insight" you enjoy, more power to you.
Me, I'm reading "Carnival of Buncombe" right now. Interchange the names
"Wilson," "Harding," "Cox," and "Debs" with "Clinton," "Bush," "Gore,"
and "Nader," perhaps, for heightened effect. Additionally, substitute
"Dry" and "Wet" for "NRA" and "HCI" (or "million-mom march")...or "War
on Drugs," etc.
Mencken had much more insight and wit in his left pinky fingernail than
Limbaugh has in all his bulk...ane even 80 years later, he still rings
more true.
Pat "Plus c'est le meme chose..." Steppic
Alan Gore
>He's been on shaky ground with the "family values" crew from day one.
>Although they like his stances on crime and taxes, Giuliani is pro-gun
>control, pro-choice, and pro-gay rights. The "true conservatives" only
>support him because he's slightly less detestable than Hillary.
The real problem we right-wing wackos have with Giuliani is that,
though his crime-fighting efforts have been admirable, he subscribes
to the Singapore model of law enforcement. He supports forfeiture as
well as gun control, both stands which cause my political ilk to
condemn him to the lowest circles of Washington. The most that can be
said about Rudy is that he is considered the rightmost candidate who
could win in New York.
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Alan Gore | is like giving whiskey and car keys
Software For PC's | to teenaged boys" - P. J. O'Rourke
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Geoff Miller
Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> writes:
> What *is* the feminine equivalent of "ad hominem," anyway?
"Ad hominem." In Latin as in English, the masculine gender is
the default. The Romans knew how to keep those lippy broads in
their place, by Caesar.
Geoff "Bring me a beer or be thrown to the lions, bitch" Miller
--
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anything. The voice of intelligence and reason is drowned out by
the thousands of hollering morons." -- nob...@newsfeeds.com
Brian Scearce
> - Gov Cuomo, Gov "Moonbeam" Brown and Bill Press to name three that
> I know of.
While he doesn't enjoy the same success as Limbaugh, Jim Hightower
does the same sort of political commentary/entertainment job, and
is pretty widely syndicated. I don't think I'd call him an "abysmal
failure".
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Elaine Richards
>
> And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
>hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
>up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
>apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
Dave's show ends at something like 12:30. A lot of overachievers
only need about 7 hours of sleep a night. More than enough time to
get up and go to work. Some overachievers and even achievers have skills
that are valuable enough that they can negotiate a later workday in order
to avoid traffic in the morning. The carpool lanes on 880 stop at 9AM
and stop again at 7PM. I time accordingly.
I don't find Dave particularly funny, but I like the strange people
he pulls off the New York City Streets and it's hard for me to
fall asleep before 1AM. At least Letterman's man on the street interviews
use people with three digit IQs, unlike Leno's twittering ninnies who
fake deep stupidity to be seen on television.
Better yet, are the evenings where I have enough books in the house so
that the TV is silent. Current reading is a layman's book on the year
1000. Nice read.
E "Don't knock being a night person till you've tried it" R
Tim Mefford
>I just happen to be someone who enjoys Mr. Limbau. He is
>astute, amusing and does a good job.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. I dislike to criticize anyone without
first hand knowledge, so I actually spent, back in the time period
when he had a TV show, four months or so actually tuning in on a weekly
basis. His show adhered to a fairly consistant pattern, namely:
35% --- Non-specific self-promotion.
10% --- Legitimate criticism of legitimate, albeit obvious, targets.
15% --- Attacks on targets from left-field, so to speak, followed by
guilt through association, i.e. "A registered *Democrat* in
Wigo Maryland yesterday announced that he supported
government monitoring of all children at home, and was later
revealed to have placed video cameras in apartments he owned
and was renting out. Now why do Bill Clinton and the
Liberals want to see in our bedrooms? That's outrageous!"
25% --- Creation and knocking down of straw men. For instance,
"There's a bill before the Senate that includes a measure
which would make possession of child pornography on Federal
timberland a federal crime. [Serious voice here] Yet, Bill
Clinton and 79% of the Liberal Senators are on record as
opposing this bill. Why is that? It's that liberal tendancy
to molly-coddle criminals and try to 'reform' them. When
those *liberals* are voted out of office, things will be
different, I can assure you."
15% --- Grade school level name calling. Hillary is ugly, etc.
Roger Ailes may be an intelligent, if evil, person, but I have
difficulty believing Rush is much more than a stone cold moron.
If you want wit or argumentation from the conservative side, go
to the usual sources, P.J. O'Roarke or George Will, or whoever,
but quoting Rush only reflects badly on you.
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as the men of wit, nor ever so much as when they are with each other.
If they have opened their mouths, without endeavoring to say a witty
thing, they think it is so many words lost: It is a torment to the
hearers, as much as to themselves, to see them upon the rock for
invention, and in perpetual constraint, with so little success.
They must do something extraordinary, in order to acquit themselves,
and answer their character, else the standers-by may be disappointed
and apt to think them only like the rest of mortals. I have known
two men of wit industriously brought together, in order to entertain
the company, where they have made a very ridiculous figure, and
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Charles R. Tenney
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> writes:
>
>> What *is* the feminine equivalent of "ad hominem," anyway?
>
>
>"Ad hominem." In Latin as in English, the masculine gender is
>the default.
Actually "masculine by default" only in translation. In Latin, _homo_
doesn't mean man as "male" [1], it means "human." It's been translated
into the default-male as "man." (It is a masculine noun, most likely
reflecting the Roman view that males were vastly more important than
females.) The Latin word for "man" as in "male human" is _vir_ [2],
and for "woman," _femina_.
Hence, an _ad hominem_ attack against a woman is still _ad hominem_.
But since Pat referred specifically to attacks based on HRC's status
as a woman, they could be called "ad feminam" attacks.
--Charles "S.P.Q." R. Tenney
[1] Back in 8th grade, my Latin teacher, who was old enough to have
accepted the joke that he had personally taught Julius Caesar, found it
distasteful but necessary to point out that "homosexual" has "homo" as
a Greek root, meaning "the same" rather than a Latin one, and that it's
the wrong meaning for "man" to make sense in that context.
[2] An irregular noun, about which the same teacher warned us against the
not-uncommon mistake of calling one man a "virus."
--
Charles R. Tenney ten...@dec3.mc.duke.edu | What would Duke Univ. Medical
| Center want with my opinions?
"My karma ran over my dogma." | What would I want with theirs?
Mike Kozlowski
Charles R. Tenney <cr...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
>females.) The Latin word for "man" as in "male human" is _vir_ [2],
>[2] An irregular noun, about which the same teacher warned us against the
>not-uncommon mistake of calling one man a "virus."
Although it's worth noting that "viri" is the plural of "vir", and thus
means "men" and not "viruses."
--
Mike Kozlowski
http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~mkozlows/
Bob Vir
e...@idiom.com (Elaine Richards) writes:
> Better yet, are the evenings where I have enough books in the
> house so that the TV is silent.
I've become busy to the point where I really treasure the occasions
when I can sit undisturbed and read for any significant length of time
without people fucking pestering me. My last couple of books have
been read in fits and starts, a page or three at a time over several
months, betweeen interruptions and phone calls and the need to get up,
go somewhere, and do something. Consequently I'm way behind in my
books, magazines, and even the newspaper.
This situation isn't helped by the fact that people will often, with
the best of intentions, press books on me. I'm suitably grateful for
that, but I feel obligated to read these borrowed books first so that
I can return them after a reasonable interval. This means that I see
all kinds of intriguing things in bookstores that I'd like to buy but
can't, because there are so many other things in my queue already.
!Peeve: I'm taking two weeks of vacation next week and the week after,
during which I plan mainly to do some too-long-deferred work around the
house. I'm sure there'll be plenty of reading time in there as well.
Peeve: having to endure the usual breathless, "Where are you going?"
questions when I tell people that I'm taking some time off. Why does
"vacation" have to mean "traveling?"
> Current reading is a layman's book on the year 1000.
Mine is a book called _Red Dragon Rising_, about the Butchers Of
Beijing. Somebody insisted that I borrow it several months ago,
and I was only recently able to get started on it.
Geoff
Bob Vir
cr...@acpub.duke.edu (Charles R. Tenney) writes:
> Actually "masculine by default" only in translation. In Latin,
> _homo_ doesn't mean man as "male" [1], it means "human."
What is this, Tell Geoff Stuff He Already Knows Week? I was being
facetious, for Glub's sake!
Seriously, I appreciate the well-intentioned clarification. And I
realize that you had no way of knowing this, but I took two years
of Latin in high school. Pervertus eram...
> It is a masculine noun, most likely reflecting the Roman view that
> males were vastly more important than females.
That sort of smug deconstruction is what The Feminists(tm) would have
us believe. And maybe it's so, but maybe not. Seems to me that a more
likely explanation was simply that it was easier and more natural to
employ an existing word to do double duty as the term for "man" and
"person" than it would've been to coin a new word, depending on context
to provide the necessary clarity -- just like the human race is often
referred to in the collective sense as "man" even now.
> Hence, an _ad hominem_ attack against a woman is still _ad hominem_.
> But since Pat referred specifically to attacks based on HRC's status
> as a woman, they could be called "ad feminam" attacks.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Elaine Richards
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> writes:
>
>> What *is* the feminine equivalent of "ad hominem," anyway?
>
>
>"Ad hominem." In Latin as in English, the masculine gender is
>their place, by Caesar.
>
>
>
>Geoff "Bring me a beer or be thrown to the lions, bitch" Miller
Nice to see you posting again, you (ObM) sexist dinosaur.
(ObBretecher) *TWEEK*
ER
Tim Mefford
Bob Vir <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>My last couple of books have
>been read in fits and starts, a page or three at a time over several
>months, betweeen interruptions and phone calls and the need to get up,
>go somewhere, and do something. Consequently I'm way behind in my
>books, magazines, and even the newspaper.
I can relate to that in spades. Getting home late, dealing with
dinner, the inevitable errands, phone calls and social obligations
leave scant time. I (usually) have the habit of re-reading the last
page before I stopped to get mentally back on track, but I swear to
God there've been weekends where I actually ended up moving backwards
with all the interruptions. To make matters worse, I started this
1000 page monster full of footnotes. "I have just enough time to
knock off five or ten pages before I have to leave. [three page foot-
note.] Oh, shit." So much for reading being relaxing.
I took a three day weekend at the end of April. That was much better.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tim Mefford | "If you pick up a starving dog and make
| him prosperous, he will not bite you.
t...@teleport.com | This is the principal difference between
| a dog and a man." - Mark Twain
____________________________________________________________________
Elaine Richards
>during which I plan mainly to do some too-long-deferred work around the
>house. I'm sure there'll be plenty of reading time in there as well.
I envy you. If you had housepets, my housepets would envy yours. I'd
love to spend a week in the summer puttering around the garden, reading
on the back deck, and spoiling the housepets.
>
>Peeve: having to endure the usual breathless, "Where are you going?"
>questions when I tell people that I'm taking some time off. Why does
>"vacation" have to mean "traveling?"
Then if you do go travelling, all the borgeois Makeup Girls and Jocks
ask the same question "Where's your TAN?"
Then there are the same ninnies who want to know why you went to
Europe in the winter. "Well, it's because the fucking DEADLINES
are all in the summer."
Doesn't stop them from taking vacation, but then they are Marketing or
clerical, which means they are as interchangeable as little Fischer
Price figurines.
ER
Felis Concolor
>Then if you do go travelling, all the borgeois Makeup Girls and Jocks
>ask the same question "Where's your TAN?"
Bonus: Exercise videos in which the instructor has a dark tan,
to look healthy.
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <8fg0kv$9nt$1...@bongo.tele.com>,
> jul...@bongo.tele.com wrote:
>> Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> Mr. Snippo was here.
>> >I'm reminded of the one and only time Rush went on David Letterman's
>> >show. [...]
>>
>> Ah the "mind numbed robots" that like Rush Limbau. The
>> left wing's way of dismissing someone they find a thorn in their
>> side.
>
>I don't think he's a thorn in anyone's side more than any other heckler.
>He might *fancy* himself that, but anyone who doesn't like him who
>actually takes him seriously gets pretty much what they deserve. It's
>not exactly as if "Hillary is ugly, Reno is a lesbian" is exactly
>incisive political discourse -- which was precisely the point of the
>ur-post on this thread.
Reno is a rug muncher? Really? And all this time I though
she was just an angry alcho'. I do live and learn.
I think you may find that Mr. Limbaugh does more than
make snide comments about the Clintonistas. Although he does
that, and often.
>
>> I just happen to be someone who enjoys Mr. Limbau. He is
>> astute, amusing and does a good job.
>>
>> I would also like to point out that the many attempts of
>> the left to field a competitor have been abysmal failures -
>> Gov Cuomo, Gov "Moonbeam" Brown and Bill Press to name three that
>> I know of.
>
>Sounds like it WROYH, Julian. Maybe the left doesn't field a competitor
>simply because it'd be a wasted effort?
Nope, they have made hard and honest attempts - see
above. They wanted a lefty talk show. Alas, people didn't want to
listen. In this country, success or failure in broadcasting
(radio and TV) depends on "ratings". No ratings, no show.
Limbaugh has the listeners, he makes money. Also in that stable
are Dr. Laura and Dr. Dean Edel. Dr. Dean is with the same outfit
as Limbaugh.
>
>> And lest we forget, the fans of "Dave" do tend to be lefty
>> nihilists. Hardly the types to enjoy Mr. Limbau.
>
>So they *do* have a competitor. Which is it? Do they, or don't they?
Nope. Letterman is a late night TV talk show. His
competitors are Leno et al. Limbaugh did try the late night TV
show game. He didn't do well. I saw the show once and enjoyed
it. But, it didn't follow the guest and house band formula.
>
>> And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
>> hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
>> up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
>> apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
>
>Well, I was up at 6:15 this morning, like I am on most mornings...and I
>don't watch Letterman anymore, but I did see *that* show, a few years
>ago (at a time when I worked graveyard shift, anyway).
My point exactly. Those with jobs don't watch Letterman.
I doubt his audience is made up of shift workers.
>And you failed
>to address my point: that he came across not just as a buffoon, but as a
>buffoon who can't be humorous without a script.
I have seen and heard Limbaugh interviewed by Tim
Russet and others. He seemed to do well to my bigoted ears.
>
>If that's the sort of "insight" you enjoy, more power to you.
Thanks comrade.
>
>Me, I'm reading "Carnival of Buncombe" right now. Interchange the names
>"Wilson," "Harding," "Cox," and "Debs" with "Clinton," "Bush," "Gore,"
>and "Nader," perhaps, for heightened effect. Additionally, substitute
>"Dry" and "Wet" for "NRA" and "HCI" (or "million-mom march")...or "War
>on Drugs," etc.
>
>Mencken had much more insight and wit in his left pinky fingernail than
>Limbaugh has in all his bulk...ane even 80 years later, he still rings
>more true.
But, don't you liberals get all upset about the racist
bigoted remarks Mencken made? You certainly get wound up about
Limbaugh who is by your admission not as insightful.
Pat Steppic
> But, don't you liberals get all upset about the racist
>bigoted remarks Mencken made?
Not me, nope; no more than I do about those from Thomas Nast or Mark
Twain.
>You certainly get wound up about
>Limbaugh who is by your admission not as insightful.
That I find Limbaugh a moron doesn't mean that I get at all "wound up"
about him -- I did like Tim and listened to his show for a while,
figured out what he was about, and have since ignored him. Indeed, I
find that the people who talk the most about him are the ones who like
him least, and are the most obnoxious about making their opinions heard.
"If you don't like him," is my inevitable response, "*don't* *listen*
*to* *him*! It really *is* that simple."
I find ignoring him much easier than getting wound up about him.
Oh, and "you liberals," eh? What gave me away? The fact that I think
that Rush is a moron? Or was it my ACLU membership? Or does my NRA
membership cancel that out?
Is my liberalism demonstrated by the fact that I wear Birkenstocks?
Ride a bicycle (does not wearing a helmet mitigate)? Support Indian
whaling? Or does that make me a lapsed liberal, or a traitor to
Liberalism? Or does my attitude towards abortion un-lapse my treasonous
attitude towards whaling and hunting in general?
If liberals can, indeed, be identified as holding a core set of values,
then what's my position on the WTO and free trade (you can do a DejaNews
search, if you need help)? Affirmative action? Gun control? Labor
unions? Minivans? Nike shoes? Porn and the degradation of women?
Federalism vs. states' rights? Drugs? East Timor?
Extra points for providing specific examples of my stated opinions, and
how they correlate to the overall liberal mindset.
Should I go out and get some wire-rimmed glasses and grow a beard?
Pat "Your brush is almost as wide as Rush's" Steppic
jul...@bongo.tele.com
>In article <8fg0kv$9nt$1...@bongo.tele.com>, <jul...@bongo.tele.com> wrote:
>>
>> And if I may have a free dig. People who are awake at the
>>hours when Letterman is aired hardly seem like the type who get
>>up early to go out and earn a living. Mr. Limbau's audience -
>>apart from housewives - do tend to work for a living.
>
>only need about 7 hours of sleep a night.
I bounce between 5 and 7 hours. But then I also start
work early for a couple of reasons. I like to get the mundane
tasks finished early. The rest of the world is available between
8 and 5. If I need to talk to vendors and customers, I must be
around when they are.
>More than enough time to
>get up and go to work. Some overachievers and even achievers have skills
>that are valuable enough that they can negotiate a later workday in order
>to avoid traffic in the morning. The carpool lanes on 880 stop at 9AM
>and stop again at 7PM. I time accordingly.
If you leave for work before seven, the roads are open.
there is little or no commercial traffic and the wankers are not
yet out in their BMWs and SUVs.
>
>I don't find Dave particularly funny, but I like the strange people
>he pulls off the New York City Streets and it's hard for me to
>fall asleep before 1AM. At least Letterman's man on the street interviews
>use people with three digit IQs, unlike Leno's twittering ninnies who
>fake deep stupidity to be seen on television.
I wonder where Leno finds them. His show is taped not
half a mile from my abode. My guess is that they send a crew to
Hollywood. I have never seen the show so I dunno.
>
>Better yet, are the evenings where I have enough books in the house so
>that the TV is silent. Current reading is a layman's book on the year
>1000. Nice read.
Which is why I don't have a TV. There is too much to do
and read.
>
>E "Don't knock being a night person till you've tried it" R
I tried it. Then I grew up and got real jobs.
AB
> One suggestion is to put "None of the Above" on every ballot. And
> if it gets the plurality, the election has to be held again a month
> later. With none of the original candidates.
Dangerous. Right now, we can berate all the non-voters as "apathetic"
and continue with worthless Coke vs. Pepsi ballots.
--
drop ego to email me
Elaine Richards
>
>In article <8fhedn$13mg$1...@idiom.com>, Elaine Richards <e...@idiom.com> wrote:
>>to avoid traffic in the morning. The carpool lanes on 880 stop at 9AM
>>and stop again at 7PM. I time accordingly.
>
> If you leave for work before seven, the roads are open.
Yeah, but then I have to get up that early. Yuck.
>>
>>E "Don't knock being a night person till you've tried it" R
>
> I tried it. Then I grew up and got real jobs.
Gee I'm getting paid a lot of money and have been granted a lot
of pre-IPO stock options in my fake job. Actually, for the past
12 years, I've been working in fake jobs. I must be doing something
right.
ER
Robert Sneddon
>
>I don't remember where I read the suggestion (might have been here):
>put an option on every ballot: "None of the above."
L. Neil Smith's alternate-universe novel "The Probability Broach" had a
corridor lined with the portraits of the US Confederacy Presidents, with
a spitoon bolted to the floor under Washington's portrait. The portrait
for ca. 1900 was an empty frame, labelled "None of the above". One
character suggests this was the finest flowering of American democracy
in action.
> If that option
>scores a majority or plurality, have another election for the same
>office, with all new candidates -- those on the first ballot are barred
>from trying again until the next election.
I'd take it better with the Smith idea -- do you really need a
President that badly?
>
>Pat "Why no one does this, I just don't know" Steppic
The Golden Rule, as adapted to electoral power -- those that have the
power write the rules.
--
Robert Sneddon
Mike Kozlowski
> My point exactly. Those with jobs don't watch Letterman.
I'll confess that I don't watch Letterman often, but it's certainly not
because he's on too late. Here in the land of Central Standard time, his
show comes on at 10:30, which isn't all that late -- even at my current
job, where I'm required to wake up at insanely early hours, I'm usually up
past 11; and at my last job, where I worked a more nearly human schedule,
I was typically awake until 2 AM.
If Letterman were as funny as he used to be, I'd probably still watch the
show. (I did watch it when George W. Bush was on, though -- if you want
to talk about somebody who really looked like a moron when grilled by
Dave, that's the guy you want to be talking about.)
Francois
>In article <8fhedn$13mg$1...@idiom.com>, Elaine Richards <e...@idiom.com> wrote:
>>
>>E "Don't knock being a night person till you've tried it" R
>
> I tried it. Then I grew up and got real jobs.
Methinks Julian ain't hung around Real Programmers in a while.
Francois.
Alan Gore
>>>E "Don't knock being a night person till you've tried it" R
>>
>> I tried it. Then I grew up and got real jobs.
>
>Methinks Julian ain't hung around Real Programmers in a while.
Not so fast. With the economy as hot as it is, programmers are
demanding - and getting - such amenities as an eleven-hour day and
every second Sunday off. This is unprecedented.
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Mike Kozlowski <mkoz...@guy.ssc.wisc.edu> wrote:
>In article <8fi26u$bl9$1...@bongo.tele.com>, <jul...@bongo.tele.com> wrote:
>
>> My point exactly. Those with jobs don't watch Letterman.
>
>I'll confess that I don't watch Letterman often, but it's certainly not
>because he's on too late. Here in the land of Central Standard time, his
>show comes on at 10:30, which isn't all that late -- even at my current
>job, where I'm required to wake up at insanely early hours, I'm usually up
>past 11; and at my last job, where I worked a more nearly human schedule,
>I was typically awake until 2 AM.
You worked a "nearly human schedule", because I didn't
mind you rolling into work close to lunch time. No one knew what
you did and you never bothered anyone.
>
>If Letterman were as funny as he used to be, I'd probably still watch the
>show. (I did watch it when George W. Bush was on, though -- if you want
>to talk about somebody who really looked like a moron when grilled by
>Dave, that's the guy you want to be talking about.)
And why won't Bush the Younger appear on the Don Imus
show?
With Bush the Younger being declared a "moron", he should
be evenly matched with the inspiration of "Love Story" and
inventor of the Internet.
Mike Kozlowski
>In article <8fi70j$h2u$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
>Mike Kozlowski <mkoz...@guy.ssc.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>In article <8fi26u$bl9$1...@bongo.tele.com>, <jul...@bongo.tele.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My point exactly. Those with jobs don't watch Letterman.
>>
>>I'll confess that I don't watch Letterman often, but it's certainly not
>>because he's on too late. Here in the land of Central Standard time, his
>>show comes on at 10:30, which isn't all that late -- even at my current
>>job, where I'm required to wake up at insanely early hours, I'm usually up
>>past 11; and at my last job, where I worked a more nearly human schedule,
>>I was typically awake until 2 AM.
>
> You worked a "nearly human schedule", because I didn't
>mind you rolling into work close to lunch time.
Well, yeah. Which was nice, incidentally. But working a regular-hours
job doesn't keep me from watching Letterman. It does prevent me from
watching Conan O'Brien, though (the guy who's as funny as Letterman used
to be).
> With Bush the Younger being declared a "moron", he should
>be evenly matched with the inspiration of "Love Story" and
>inventor of the Internet.
Alas, it is entirely so. And to make it worse, the only viable protest
vote is Pat Buchanan, easily the worst of the lot.
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On 12 May 2000 17:56:30 -0500, jul...@bongo.tele.com wrote:
>
>>In article <8fh9fl$5k2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>>Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Mencken had much more insight and wit in his left pinky fingernail
>than
>>>Limbaugh has in all his bulk...
>>
>> But, don't you liberals get all upset about the racist
>>bigoted remarks Mencken made?
>
>Not me, nope; no more than I do about those from Thomas Nast or Mark
>Twain.
Good, because many people find his anti-semitism
unsettling.
>
>>You certainly get wound up about
>>Limbaugh who is by your admission not as insightful.
>
>That I find Limbaugh a moron doesn't mean that I get at all "wound up"
>about him -- I did like Tim and listened to his show for a while,
>figured out what he was about, and have since ignored him.
Yet you do bring him up and go on about him. If that is
your ignoring him, I will bear that in mind and ignore the next
time you mention him.
> Indeed, I
>find that the people who talk the most about him are the ones who like
>him least, and are the most obnoxious about making their opinions heard.
>"If you don't like him," is my inevitable response, "*don't* *listen*
>*to* *him*! It really *is* that simple."
To your credit, you listened to him. Something that many
of his detractors tend to forget to do that.
>
>
>Oh, and "you liberals," eh? What gave me away? The fact that I think
>that Rush is a moron? Or was it my ACLU membership? Or does my NRA
>membership cancel that out?
>
>Is my liberalism demonstrated by the fact that I wear Birkenstocks?
>Ride a bicycle (does not wearing a helmet mitigate)? Support Indian
>whaling? Or does that make me a lapsed liberal, or a traitor to
>Liberalism? Or does my attitude towards abortion un-lapse my treasonous
>attitude towards whaling and hunting in general?
>
>If liberals can, indeed, be identified as holding a core set of values,
>then what's my position on the WTO and free trade (you can do a DejaNews
>search, if you need help)? Affirmative action? Gun control? Labor
>unions? Minivans? Nike shoes? Porn and the degradation of women?
>Federalism vs. states' rights? Drugs? East Timor?
You Pat are a liberal, but one of the "core set of
values" about people with liberal beliefs, is that being a Judas
and therefore denying your beliefs seems to be one of them. I am
a conservative, I am proud to be a conservative, often to point
out to my liberal friends who wish I wasn't so hardcore, that I
am a conservative, I tell them I am a Nazi.
Do I have a "core set of values", of course I do, as you
do. Are they 100% in step with all accepted criteria? Of course
not. In fact the first thing about me and being right wing that
Americans find discordant is that I am an atheist. It seems that
over here, atheism is next to communism. The term "Christian
Right" rolls off the tongues of liberal as quickly as the phrase
that only seems available in the right wing version - "Right Wing
Extremist".
My views on drugs, prostitution and other vices send the
"conservatives" into fits. But am I conservative? Yes of course I
am. Do I listen to, often enjoy and sometimes agree with liberals
like Don Imus? Of course I do.
>
>Extra points for providing specific examples of my stated opinions, and
>how they correlate to the overall liberal mindset.
Tibet? The Confederate flag? Just a couple that spring
to mind.
>
>Should I go out and get some wire-rimmed glasses and grow a beard?
You grow the beard. Geoff and I will chip in for the
specs.
I on the other hand will be investing in a belt buckle
and a large pick-up truck.
>
>Pat "Your brush is almost as wide as Rush's" Steppic
Thanks. I would hate to think that I had forgotten how to
stereotype.
Now if you will excuse me, I have some minorities to
oppress, before I go and watch my rich liberal friends treat
their Latin American (ObSensitive: Hispanic) servants badly.
jul...@bongo.tele.com
Mike Kozlowski <mkoz...@guy.ssc.wisc.edu> wrote:
>In article <8fj0uk$cd0$1...@bongo.tele.com>, <jul...@bongo.tele.com> wrote:
>
>> With Bush the Younger being declared a "moron", he should
>>be evenly matched with the inspiration of "Love Story" and
>>inventor of the Internet.
>
>Alas, it is entirely so. And to make it worse, the only viable protest
>vote is Pat Buchanan, easily the worst of the lot.
In the last Presidential ballot stuffing, I voted for
Buchanan in the primary.
Why did I do that? Because he and I could be called
hardcore Conservative? Nope. I voted for him because he was the
only honest candidate available.
In fact Buchanan and I are in fact in agreement on few
things. We certainly are at opposite poles when it comes to free
trade, drugs etc. But, I would rather have a man in power that
tells me what he believes which I can disagree with if I want to
than the current mob who tell me what the pollsters tell them I
will agree with. Like the tired refrain "The Chilldrunn!"
My nightmare is the the Presidential TV debates will be
accompanied by "PowerPoint" slides on the TV screen. Ross Perot
started it with flip charts. It just needs a political consultant
to send out the first candidate armed with a laptop - Controlled
remotely off stage by the way.
Which reminds me. Some pollster/consultant (Could have
been Dick "bark like a dog" Morris) told Clinton that to show
his sympathy and savvy for high-tech he should be photographed
next to a computer. A laptop was dutifully requisitioned and
positioned for the next photo op. Note no pics of el Presidente
actually using the thing, and no continuing pictures.
Michael Steeves
} Bob Vir <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
} >Peeve: having to endure the usual breathless, "Where are you going?"
} >questions when I tell people that I'm taking some time off. Why does
} >"vacation" have to mean "traveling?"
}
} ask the same question "Where's your TAN?"
Even more entertainingly, my work sent me to Orlando a couple of
months ago for a conference. Seeing as how the tuition and fees were
to the tune of $2500, not counting all the other ancilliary expenses
that I was ringing up at the company's...er...expense, I was a good
little boy and went to all of my tutorial sessions, and went to as
many of the talks during the conference proper as I could. At night,
I'd attend various vendor exhibits and talks, grab dinner, and then
collapse in the hotel room afterwards, so that I could do it all again
the next day.
I spent maybe three hours outside at one point when there were no
talks I could attend, and a couple of hours outside during various
lunch breaks. Otherwise, my exposeure to the weather was on my walks
between my hotel and the conference itself.
Invariably, the questions asked of me on my return were:
o "Where's your tan?"
o "Did you like Disney World/Sea World/other attraction of note?"
While I won't claim that going to a conference is equivalent to
putting in a week at the office, it ain't like this was some sort of
vacation at the company's expense here.
Of course, when you point this out, people look like you just told
them that you enjoy pushing grandmothers into moving traffic.
ObSpotIt: Spot it.
-Mike
--
Michael Steeves (mste...@shore.net)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Death before dishonor / Drugs before lunch
-Aspen Gun and Drug Club
Geoff Miller
t...@user2.teleport.com (Tim Mefford) writes:
> His show adhered to a fairly consistant pattern, namely:
[proportional breakdown of Limbaugh's pattern]
That matches my own observations pretty substantially.
What a lot of people fail to understand is that Rush Limbaugh
is not a serious pundit; he's first and foremost an entertainer.
Oh, he's occasionally astute and insightful, but the main part
of his shtick is outrageous bombast -- essentially, trolling.
And it's to the Left's eternal discredit that they so often
take the bait. That only serves to illustrate just how hum-
orless and self-important liberals often are. And how could
that not be so? It's a fact of life that earnestness often
exists in inverse proportion to a sense of humor. Limbaugh
gives me a chuckle, but I don't go to him for profound insight
any more than I go to Burger King for a gourmet meal. And mind
you, I'm not loath to admit that I do enjoy the occasonal Whopper
with cheese and chocolate milkshake.
> If you want wit or argumentation from the conservative side,
> go to the usual sources, P.J. O'Roarke or George Will, or
> whoever, [...]
I enjoy reading George Will's material (and seeing him on that
Sunday-morning TV show on the rare occasions when I manage to
catch it) as much because of his formidable intellect and awesome
command of the English language as for his politics. And while I
agree with Will much of the time, I found a lot of truth in
Francois's comment that if his mind were any narrower, both his
eyes would be on the same side of his head, like a flounder's.
Now P.J. O'Rourke, there's my kind of conservative pundit. He's
got more insight than Limbaugh will ever have, but without being
a blowhard. And he's got brains without succumbing to the sort
of stuffiness and lexical obfuscation that Will often falls victim
to. (One should never read George Will without having a dictionary
close at hand.) Best of all, he makes me laugh. And that counts
for a lot. I like Molly Ivins because she makes me laugh, also,
even though she's a liberal.
Geoff Miller
jul...@bongo.tele.com writes:
> The term "Christian Right" rolls off the tongues of liberal as
> quickly as the phrase that only seems available in the right
> wing version - "Right Wing Extremist".
Absolutely -- and when I encounter things like that, it always
gives me a chuckle to point them out as examples of how liberals
love to employ stereotypes as much as anybody else.
I was embroiled in some net.controversy or other a while back
(out of character, I know) when, after I'd dismissed somebody
as a liberal, he retorted by saying, "I'm not a liberal; I'm a
conservative like you. I believe in lawnorder!"
What was such a hoot about this was that believing in lawnorder
isn't the defining litmus test of conservatism, as if there even
*were* such a thing; it's a liberal's stereotype of what a conser-
vative is. That situation was a lot like the time I wrote,
facetiously: "I'm not a conservative, I'm a liberal. Watch this:
'Free Nelson Mandela!' See?"
> Do I listen to, often enjoy and sometimes agree with liberals
> like Don Imus? Of course I do.
Imus is a liberal? I never managed to catch more than the last
fifteen minutes or so of his show thanks to the timing of my
commute, and by that point it was tough to get a feel for him
because he was just running out the clock. But I'd always assumed
that the reason you recommended him to me was because he was a
right-winger. Of course, he _is_ from New York, and that whole
quadrant of the country is a pinko-rich environment...
> Now if you will excuse me, I have some minorities to oppress,
> before I go and watch my rich liberal friends treat their Latin
> American (ObSensitive: Hispanic) servants badly.
"Hispanic" is *so* Eighties! They're called "Latinos" now, you
insensitive brute.
Peeve: noticing that the white -- er, "Anglo" -- radio journalists
on EnPeeYar are starting to adopt the defiantly exagerrated pronun-
ciation affected by their Hispanic colleagues when they utter Spanish
words. It's another variation of that fawning "NEE-da-ka-RAWG-wah"
bullshit from the days of Dirty Dan Ortega.
Speaking of Hispanic NPR radio journalists, whatever became of Ray
Suarez, who used to host "Talk Of the Nation?" That guy is one
sharp cookie. This new host, whose name I forget, just doesn't have
the same presence.
Glen Quarnstrom
>Now P.J. O'Rourke, there's my kind of conservative pundit. He's
>got more insight than Limbaugh will ever have, but without being
[...]
>close at hand.) Best of all, he makes me laugh. And that counts
>for a lot. I like Molly Ivins because she makes me laugh, also,
>even though she's a liberal.
On these two we can agree, although I thought that P.J. was way too hard
on the Carters, and in one of her recent books, Molly was just plain
mean and vindictive when she wrote of Dick Nixon after his death.
Mostly, though, they hold up better than anyone else on either side of
the spectrum.
As for Limbaugh, the man's an oaf. Back when I first started listening
to him during the Gulf War, he could be pretty damn funny. Once he
started getting laid regularly, however, he lost his edge.
But now, he's become a caricature of himself, much like Howard Cosell
did at the end of his career. The only amusement value there is to Rush
any more is listening to him make a fool of himself. Jesus, to listen
to the man, you'd think McCain raped his mother or something. McCain's
no angel, but he's hardly a Clinton, either.
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~glenq/
David W. Crawford
[...]
> Peeve: noticing that the white -- er, "Anglo" -- radio journalists
> on EnPeeYar are starting to adopt the defiantly exagerrated pronun-
> ciation affected by their Hispanic colleagues when they utter Spanish
> words. It's another variation of that fawning "NEE-da-ka-RAWG-wah"
> bullshit from the days of Dirty Dan Ortega.
Most notably during Latino USA or in reports by Mandalit Del Barco.
(eg http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnps05fm.cfm?SegID=24437 LANGUAGE
AND IDENTITY, PART II In part two of our series on language and
identity, NPR's Mandalit Del Barco reports on Latinos in the United
States who are improving their Spanish or who are learning the
language for the first time. About one quarter of all in Hispanics
in the U.S. speak only English. (7:26))
No, I don't have a style guide which determines the intersection
between Hispanic and Latino. All just raza to me.
My fav NPR character is is Andrei Codrescu
(http://npr.org/inside/bios/acodrescu.html) who has a strong but
understandable accent.
> Speaking of Hispanic NPR radio journalists, whatever became of Ray
> Suarez, who used to host "Talk Of the Nation?" That guy is one
> sharp cookie. This new host, whose name I forget, just doesn't have
> the same presence.
Ray's on The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, the PBS ~6pm news.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ww/suarez.html
!Peeve: Ray's old shown _Talk_of_the_Nation_: he had a gentle
Buckleyesque manner of nailing illogical guests.
David W. Crawford <d...@panix.com>
Los Gatos, CA
-- Commuting around here provides sufficient radio listening hours.
AB
> jul...@bongo.tele.com writes:
>
>> The term "Christian Right" rolls off the tongues of liberal as
>> quickly as the phrase that only seems available in the right
>> wing version - "Right Wing Extremist".
I've heard its complement, but "Commie" and "Pinko" are more common.
Lefties like their prejoratives hyphenated, I guess.
> Imus is a liberal?
Who knows? Heck-- I call myself a Liberal. I support liberalization
of gun laws, f'r instance. But my favorite Conservative is Wendell
Berry. He believes we were best off when we lived in small farm-based
communities.
> "Hispanic" is *so* Eighties! They're called "Latinos" now, you
> insensitive brute.
Different words, que no? I remember thinking it was sooo cool^w
sensitive to use "Pinoy" instead of "Filipino". Then I dated a
Filipino* who was NOT Pinoy. Whoops.
> Peeve: noticing that the white -- er, "Anglo" -- radio journalists
> on EnPeeYar are starting to adopt the defiantly exagerrated pronun-
> ciation affected by their Hispanic colleagues when they utter Spanish
> words. It's another variation of that fawning "NEE-da-ka-RAWG-wah"
> bullshit from the days of Dirty Dan Ortega.
I've one word for you: "mih-ZURE-uh". Next thing you know, they'll be
pronouncing Oregon "OR-uh-gun". Not unique to NPR.
Fake cosmopolitans use "correct" pronunications. The real ones say
it however the locals do. I've a friend who still cringes when he
hears the American pronunciation of "Karaoke".
> Speaking of Hispanic NPR radio journalists, whatever became of Ray
> Suarez, who used to host "Talk Of the Nation?" That guy is one
> sharp cookie. This new host, whose name I forget, just doesn't have
> the same presence.
Juan Williams, who seems to be still learning his craft. Slowly.
Meanwhile, the show's devolved into a "let's put bugs in a jar and
shake 'em up" format.
Peeves: Many.
*As opposed to Filipina.
Mike Kozlowski
> In the last Presidential ballot stuffing, I voted for
>Buchanan in the primary.
>
> Why did I do that? Because he and I could be called
>hardcore Conservative? Nope. I voted for him because he was the
>only honest candidate available.
Honesty is an admirable quality, but it is not so powerfully admirable
that it could come close to overpowering Buchanan's many enormous faults.
I'll take a weaselly, deceitful Clinton before a forthright Buchanan any
day. Hell, I'd take a weaselly, deceitful Buchanan before an honest
Buchanan -- at least if I knew he was a liar, I might think that he didn't
seriously intend to implement his bizarre and occasionally evil proposals.
Glen Quarnstrom
>The term "Christian
>Right" rolls off the tongues of liberal
I prefer the term "Moral Mafia" myself.
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~glenq/
Mark Wood
Felis Concolor wrote:
> e...@idiom.com (Elaine Richards) writes:
>
> >Then if you do go travelling, all the borgeois Makeup Girls and Jocks
> >ask the same question "Where's your TAN?"
>
> Bonus: Exercise videos in which the instructor has a dark tan,
> to look healthy.
The really funny ones, have the orange skin that screams tan in a tube.
-M. Wood
Tony Quirke
> Now P.J. O'Rourke, there's my kind of conservative pundit. He's
> got more insight than Limbaugh will ever have, but without being
> a blowhard. And he's got brains without succumbing to the sort
> of stuffiness and lexical obfuscation that Will often falls victim
> to.
Pity he didn't have enough brains to play "connect the dots" in El
Salvador after spending so much time ragging on communist governments
(_Holidays in Hell_). But he is funny.
One wonders if you find Dan Perkins (aka Tom Tomorrow) funny...
- Tony Q.
--
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea
[...] No one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole
of it." - TJ
Francois
>f...@netcom.com (Francois) wrote:
>
>>Methinks Julian ain't hung around Real Programmers in a while.
>
>Not so fast. With the economy as hot as it is, programmers are
>demanding - and getting - such amenities as an eleven-hour day and
>every second Sunday off. This is unprecedented.
Shucks, I'm getting 95% of Valley wages for a 40 hour week while
picking up ~10hrs/week consulting work from my former employer.
It's not raining soup out there, folks, it's hailing prime rib.
Turns out everyone's been so busy jumping onto the C++/Windows
bandwagon there are hardly any Deep Geek machine coders to be found,
and most of those are writing Wintel device drivers.
Francois.
Alan Gore
> One wonders if you find Dan Perkins (aka Tom Tomorrow) funny...
Tom Tomorrow has my vote as the least funny political commentator
writing today - totally leaden and obvious. You will find a lot of
sprightly, funny, leftist commentary on Salon.com, including the other
cartoonists. Just don't look to Tom T for yuks.
Geoff Miller
qui...@localhost.actrix.gen.nz (Tony Quirke) writes:
> One wonders if you find Dan Perkins (aka Tom Tomorrow) funny...
Seems to me I've heard the name "Tom Tomorrow" bandied about,
but I know nothing of him.
Tim Mefford
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Seems to me I've heard the name "Tom Tomorrow" bandied about,
>but I know nothing of him.
Ignorance is bliss. He oscillates between shocked indignation and
mere statement of policy. Even when I agree with his political stance,
unedited passages from "The Communist Manifesto" or "The Origins of
Wealth" would produce more laughter. I don't know why he bothers
drawing up a comic strip when pure text would leave him more room
for dogmatic political rote recital.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Tim Mefford | "vidi, veni"
t...@teleport.com | -Julius Caesar on Cleopatra
________________________________________________________________
Charlie Stross
<ag...@uswest.net> wrote:
>qui...@localhost.actrix.gen.nz (Tony Quirke) wrote:
>
>> One wonders if you find Dan Perkins (aka Tom Tomorrow) funny...
>
>Tom Tomorrow has my vote as the least funny political commentator
>writing today - totally leaden and obvious.
Tony, you shouldn't need the rubber mallet by know; I'm sure Al's knee can
survive perfectly well without your attention.
Al Gore has my vote as the least funny political peever writing today --
totally stereotyped and obvious.
(Mind you, I still think Steve Bell's penguin out-penguinises Sparky.)
-- Charlie
Art Walker
>Dangerous. Right now, we can berate all the non-voters as "apathetic"
>and continue with worthless Coke vs. Pepsi ballots.
Ah yes. The "if elections actually accomplished anything, they would be
illegal" argument.
- Art
Dwight Wilcox
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Speaking of Hispanic NPR radio journalists, whatever became of Ray
>Suarez, who used to host "Talk Of the Nation?" That guy is one
>sharp cookie. This new host, whose name I forget, just doesn't have
>the same presence.
Your joking, right? Ray "Logorrhea" Saurez? I remember one
show in which he not only used "The Party of Roosevelt and
Truman" for "Democratic Party", but also "The Men and Women of
the Party of Roosevelt and Truman" for "Democrats". He had
an incredibly annoying habit of talking all around the point
instead of just making it. More than once I heard a guest just
cut him off mid spew and answer the question everyone listening
knew he had been posing for the last 100 words or so.
I've heard him once on the McNeil news hour, or whatever they call
it now that half the team split. Same logorrhrea, but not quite
as annoying, since he was reporting rather than interviewing.
I never understood why someone didn't pull him aside and point
out that the point of his program was his guests, not him.
Peeve: NPR. Am I unreasonable to think that a federal radio
network is wrong for the same reasons a federal newspaper would
be? (Delivered free to your home without advertising! Read it!)
Peeve: The NPR bias - not necessarily left wing. NPR panders
to its paymasters and "customers", just like any other organization.
Which means that it echoes the viewpoints of the a typical GS15,
the typical school teacher, the typical Palo Altan - the sort
of person that believes she is freeing the masses from the evil
influences of corporate advertising by sending money during pledge
week.
EvenMorePeeve: Bay Area radio. NPR is almost always the only thing
listenable. The guys on the local right-wing-wacko station for the
morning commute are sometimes OK, though the callers are the inevitable
black-helicopter enthusiast or doctrinaire libertarian or just plain
dumb guy. Other than that, the talk show hosts are fascists, or dumb,
or boring. My commute is short, so I don't need the usual weather and
traffic stations. The classical station limits itself to five minute
excerpts from the standards. The rock stations play very little
rock between the yammering, and I don't like that music anyway. Which
leaves the local jazz outlet - which is fine, for the thiry percent
of the time I want to listen to jazz.
-Dwight
Mark Wood
Dwight Wilcox wrote:
> In article <8fk2pi$nqm$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
> Peeve: The NPR bias - not necessarily left wing. NPR panders
> to its paymasters and "customers", just like any other organization.
> Which means that it echoes the viewpoints of the a typical GS15,
> the typical school teacher, the typical Palo Altan - the sort
> of person that believes she is freeing the masses from the evil
> influences of corporate advertising by sending money during pledge
> week.
>
> EvenMorePeeve: Bay Area radio. NPR is almost always the only thing
> listenable. The guys on the local right-wing-wacko station for the
> morning commute are sometimes OK, though the callers are the inevitable
> black-helicopter enthusiast or doctrinaire libertarian or just plain
> dumb guy.
Listening to angry people ranting in the morning sets a bad tone for the
rest of my day, which is why I got a CD player.
> Other than that, the talk show hosts are fascists, or dumb,
> or boring.
Mostly boring.
> My commute is short, so I don't need the usual weather and
> traffic stations. The classical station limits itself to five minute
> excerpts from the standards.
They do this because their advertising is so cheap that they need a lot of
breaks to survive.
> The rock stations play very little
> rock between the yammering, and I don't like that music anyway.
The new breed of pop (ex-mousketeers & boybands) is even worse.
> Which
> leaves the local jazz outlet - which is fine, for the thiry percent
> of the time I want to listen to jazz.
I'm too young and straight to listen to that much jazz radio.
-M. Wood
A. Sears
>
> > EvenMorePeeve: Bay Area radio. NPR is almost always the only thing
> > listenable.
The two AM "news" stations both suck miserably for anything other than
reliable traffic reports. The rest of their drive-time programming is
puff pieces, teasers, and "news" reports that at best leave the listener
with more questions than answers, and at worst are blatantly one-sided.
The rock stations have limited playlists and tend towards either
dinosaur-rock cliches that I heard to death when I was a teenager
(KFOX), 80s retreads (104.9), the latest radio-friendly pablum from old
dinosaur-rock has-beens that are now clean, sober, and a shadow of their
former drug-addled greatness (104.5), or the absolute worst of the
latest groups -- the Korns, Limps, and shitty bands with numbers in
their names -- Blink 182, Third Eye Blind, etc. (105.3) There are some
stations that play some decent jazz occasionally, but those are usually
on weekly shows that I just happen to run across while station-scanning
at odd hours -- those stations are usually playing something less to my
liking the next time I tune in. The full-time "jazz" stations play more
of a "jazz-lite" elevator-music mix that I can do without. And they all
have too many, and too obnoxious, ads.
Even NPR occasionally bores me, and the trouble with NPR is when they
get boring, it's not a matter of changing stations and coming back in
five minutes to see if something better's on -- you know that they're
going to stick with that same boring segment for at least twenty
minutes.
> I usully listen to NPR on the way to work, and to KKSF on my way home
> after a brief check of the news on NPR. I used to listen to Howard
> Stern in the mornings, but I keep forgetting to tune one of the presets
> in the new car to the station that carries his show. I think my last
> exposure to Stern was when I rented "Private Parts" a year or so ago.
My six FM presets are allocated between: (1, 2) the two NPR stations,
(3) KSJO (they do play a fair bit of shitty Kid Korn Bizkit, etc., but
they also are the only Bay Area station that ever plays old Black
Sabbath); (4) 98.1 (a recent and very welcome discovery: classic soul --
Barry White, EWF, Al Green, P-Funk, O-Jays, Temptations, Ohio Players,
etc.); (5) 102.9 (a lot of overlap with 98.1 but with some unfortunate
lapses into jazz-lite also); and 105.3 (I listen to Stern in the morning
sometimes -- the commercial breaks are twenty minutes long, and about
50% of his material isn't worth bothering with, but the good moments can
be hilarious). There's a couple other stations I'll manually tune over
to when the presets are all on commercial break or playing crap, and
I'll switch over to the AM news stations when I want a traffic report.
Overall, though, I've taken to bringing the CD player with me more and
more often.
Geoff Miller
dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) asks:
> You're joking, right? Ray "Logorrhea" Saurez?
Could very well be, but I never noticed that about him.
I always found him to be pretty knowledgeable, and to have
a knack for prompting guests and callers alike with insightful
questions and comments. He's a lot like another of my favorites,
Terri Gross, in that regard.
Speaking of whom, one positive side to the occasional long
day is leaving the office late enough to listen to "Fresh Air"
on my way home from work. At its best, that show is like an
audio version of a quality magazine.
> I never understood why someone didn't pull him aside
> and point out that the point of his program was his
> guests, not him.
Sounds like an ego thing...and its obverse, others' fear of running
afoul of it.
> Peeve: NPR. Am I unreasonable to think that a federal radio
> network is wrong for the same reasons a federal newspaper would
> be?
I see your point, and I don't understand the justification for it,
either. But since I haven't seen it act as a mouthpiece for The
Government in the ten or eleven years that I've been a regular
listener, I can't get too het up about it. I detect a slight
liberal bias, admittedly, but nothing beyond what's typical for
the liberal-dominated news media. Compared to the Chronicle,
NPR's stance comes across as solidly middle of the road.
> Which means that it echoes the viewpoints of the a typical GS15,
> the typical school teacher, the typical Palo Altan - the sort
> of person that believes she is freeing the masses from the evil
> influences of corporate advertising by sending money during pledge
> week.
"She?" So you think the typical NPR "customer" is female, then?
> EvenMorePeeve: Bay Area radio. NPR is almost always the only thing
> listenable.
I usully listen to NPR on the way to work, and to KKSF on my way home
after a brief check of the news on NPR. I used to listen to Howard
Stern in the mornings, but I keep forgetting to tune one of the presets
in the new car to the station that carries his show. I think my last
exposure to Stern was when I rented "Private Parts" a year or so ago.
RecentPeeve: KKSF, the Bay Area "smooth jazz" station. They recently
hired an afternoon deejay (named Ray White, ironically enough) who's
substantially changed the whole character of the station during the
time he's at the helm. Fifty to seventy-five percent of what he plays
is black^H^H^H^H^H"urban" music, including a lot of older stuff.
Which is fine, as far as it goes; I'm very fond of a lot of that music,
myself. But I'd wager that it's not what the majority of listeners
signed on for. The first time I tuned in after getting a car with an
FM radio that worked, I actually thought I'd tuned in KSFX ("Soft and
warm, the quiet storm") by mistake. I sent a diplomatically-worded
e-mail message to the program manager about this, descriving the
situation and asking whether it was really the image that the station
wanted to project, but I never got a reply. He probably dismissed my
position as tantamount to racism and clammed up in typical San Francisco
"offended liberal" fashion.
Mark Wood
"Ryan W. Kasten" wrote:
> On 16 May 2000 01:36:29 GMT, geo...@netcom.com (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
> [Shitty Bay Area radio, MNA11)
>
> >The first time I tuned in after getting a car with an
> >FM radio that worked, I actually thought I'd tuned in KSFX ("Soft and
> >warm, the quiet storm") by mistake.
>
> ObPeeve: The Quiet Storm.
>
> ObPE: "When the Quiet Storm comes on, I fall asleep. What they need is
> Arbitron on the funky funky Jeep."
>
> All right. Let's just say that I'm hanging out on my couch with the
> lady of my choice. Let's just say that she slowly looked up from her
> drink and said, "Mmm, sugar. See what's on the radio, huh?" and smiled
> suggestively. Let's just say that I actually turned on the stereo in
> the hopes that some mood music would make tonight a wonderful thing.
> Would I deftly tune into the trite, utterly boring crap they play on The
> Quiet Storm and claim that this is my wooing musical elixir? Would I
> choose yet another recycled, half-assed R&B songstress to ateempt to
> croon the equivalent of my mating call?
>
> Nope. Not in a heartbeat. I'd listen to (I can name that tune in) 5
> notes and say, "How about some Miles Davis instead?" Why not play some
> actual music if you're going to try and sell the product? Why call it
> "soft and romantic", if all you're going to do is play the latest shit,
> between which you'll whisper about The Real Thing and then play a
> commercial for some soda (with country music in the background) that
> completely ruins any "mood" you may have gotten started?
Perhaps you need a CD changer and some Barry white CD's, rather than relying
on the taste of people you don't know.
-M. Wood
A. Sears
>
> Perhaps you need a CD changer and some Barry white CD's, rather than relying
> on the taste of people you don't know.
Perhaps you need to learn how to snip excess quoted text, learn how to
spell words like "CDs" or "restaurant", and think a little harder about
whether you're about to post anything that anybody is going to consider
worth reading before you hit "Send".
Or perhaps that's too much to hope for. Here's another suggestion:
Perhaps you'd better fuck back off to wherever you came from.
Pat Steppic
"A. Sears" <sra...@ten.tenew> wrote:
> Geoff Miller wrote:
> >
> > > EvenMorePeeve: Bay Area radio. NPR is almost always the only
thing
> > > listenable.
>
> reliable traffic reports.
The only AM I listen to is when there's a baseball game. I've listened
to it on occassion in the mornings, but yeah, it's all puff pieces, and
after every commercial, they have their three-second radio "theme" song
to let listeners know that they're making the transition from
commercials to "content." I have a theory that they do this because
otherwise, people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Traffic? I check it on the web just before leaving, and it's mostly a
moot point since there is a paucity of alternatives when there is
congestion.
> The rock stations have limited playlists and tend towards either
> dinosaur-rock cliches that I heard to death when I was a teenager
> (KFOX),
There's a "classic" rock station (you know the format: Eagles, Lynrd
Skynrd, two songs each by Supertramp, Grand Funk Railroad, Styx, and one
song each by Pure Prarie League, Head East and Kansas) that used to
advertise that they never repeated any songs in a 24-hour period.
I worked graveyard shift for a while, and that station was on. We used
to play a kind of game where we'd put together a list of twenty songs
that we figured they'd play in a 9-hour shift; whoever got the most
"hits" got a dollar from everyone else. Scores of ten to fifteen were
not uncommon -- they simply rotated their playlist every 24 hours
instead of every 4.
There's actually a _community_ college radio station that has a
remarkable variety of music.
Peeve: because it's a CC, it's all of about 5 watts.
> The full-time "jazz" stations play more
> of a "jazz-lite" elevator-music mix that I can do without.
Peeve: I can't listen to an alto sax anymore. I just can't help but
think of Kenny G.
Pat "Even now, I'm having homicidal visions" Steppic
--
Money can't buy happiness, but if you're not
happy, it's a lot easier to endure if you can buy
hardcover books. -- Lenore Levine
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Geoff Miller
Mark Wood <wads...@montana.com> writes:
[Kasten's ENTIRE FRIGGING POST quoted]
> Perhaps you need a CD changer and some Barry white CD's, rather
> than relying on the taste of people you don't know.
Perhaps *you* need to learn to use a goddam text editor.
AB
>There's actually a _community_ college radio station that has a
>remarkable variety of music.
>
>Peeve: because it's a CC, it's all of about 5 watts.
!Peeve: Seattle radio. We have NPR-talk all the time (KUOW), mainstream
jazz, blues and NPR (KPLU), avant-garde and old jazz and Pacifica (KBCS),
anything musical and anything political (KSER) and one of the best
college-pop stations in the US (KCMU). All have DJs with distinctive
personalities and good taste. All have netcasts, too.
Peeve: The only classical station is KING, wall-to-wall Pachebel.
--
_____________________________
drop "ego" to reply
So what's the big deal with WFMU?
Dwight Wilcox
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) asks:
>
>> You're joking, right? Ray "Logorrhea" Saurez?
>
>Could very well be, but I never noticed that about him.
>I always found him to be pretty knowledgeable, and to have
>a knack for prompting guests and callers alike with insightful
>questions and comments. He's a lot like another of my favorites,
>Terri Gross, in that regard.
Now I know you're joking. Terri "Softball" Gross? Jeesh.
("Your last film was so insightful - how did you manage to
avoid compromising your artistic integrity while raising
$10 million to make it?")
>
>> Which means that it [NPR] echoes the viewpoints of the a typical GS15,
>> the typical school teacher, the typical Palo Altan - the sort
>> of person that believes she is freeing the masses from the evil
>> influences of corporate advertising by sending money during pledge
>> week.
>
>"She?" So you think the typical NPR "customer" is female, then?
Yep. SNAGs and school teachers. I picked the pronoun deliberately.
>RecentPeeve: KKSF, the Bay Area "smooth jazz" station.
ObVeryLocalInAnInternationalForum: Try KCSM (91.1) which picked up
the pieces of the old KJAZ and moved it to the College of San Mateo
student station (in the process making it a "public" station [1]).
It plays real jazz, which is only smooth when it needs to be.
Unfortunately, you'll probably lose the signal just about
where highway 9 gets interesting. I assume you commute from
Cupertino to Boulder Creek that way.
-DW
[1] At the risk of labelling myself a SNAG (I'm not a school
teacher) I'll cop to sending money to KCSM. Seems to me that
they have the "public" radio thing right. There just aren't
enough jazz fans in the Bay Area to support a commercial
station. But there are enough that are willing to throw
a hundred bucks a year or so at a public station to make
it viable.
Geoff Miller
dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) writes:
> Now I know you're joking. Terri "Softball" Gross? Jeesh.
> ("Your last film was so insightful - how did you manage to
> avoid compromising your artistic integrity while raising
> $10 million to make it?")
I can't see that interviews necessarily have to be confrontational.
Few, if any, of the people she interviews are politicians or con-
troversial figures, so what would be gained by grilling them and
putting them on the defensive? By doing her homework, building
rapport, and displaying genuine interest in the people she inter-
views, Gross gets them to open up a lot more than they would under
a more hardball approach. Besides, I believe she chooses the
interviewees herself, and so a certain amount of sincere interest
on her part is a given.
> Try KCSM (91.1) which picked up the pieces of the old KJAZ and
> moved it to the College of San Mateo student station (in the
> process making it a "public" station [1]).
Thanks. I programmed it into my radio and listened to it on my
way home last night -- for a few enjoyable minutes, just in time
to hear the station go off the air prematurely for maintenance at
11:00. Oh, well; the preset's still there. I'll give it another
listen when I'm out and about later today.
I remember my father listening to KJAZ back in the Sixties, when
FM radio hadn't been "discovered" and was pretty much the exclusive
province of college stations and jazz/classical music. That was my
impression of it back then, anyway. My dad's car at the time was
the first one with an AM/FM radio that I ever saw.
> Unfortunately, you'll probably lose the signal just about
> where highway 9 gets interesting. I assume you commute from
> Cupertino to Boulder Creek that way.
That's my commute route, all right. I can get KQED and KKSF on
the Santa Cruz side of the mountains during the day with no
trouble, but they fade out at night not too far beyond the summit.
Maybe atmospheric skip will work to my advantage with a weaker
station like KCSM.
> There just aren't enough jazz fans in the Bay Area to support a
> commercial station. But there are enough that are willing to
> throw a hundred bucks a year or so at a public station to make
> it viable.
That surprises me. I'd think that any large metropolitan area,
regardless of region, would have enough jazz fans to support at
least one commercial station. If I take a liking to KCSM, I'll
send a few buck their way myself.
Dwight Wilcox
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) writes:
>
>> Now I know you're joking. Terri "Softball" Gross? Jeesh.
>> ("Your last film was so insightful - how did you manage to
>> avoid compromising your artistic integrity while raising
>> $10 million to make it?")
>
>I can't see that interviews necessarily have to be confrontational.
>Few, if any, of the people she interviews are politicians or con-
>troversial figures, so what would be gained by grilling them and
>putting them on the defensive? By doing her homework, building
>rapport, and displaying genuine interest in the people she inter-
>views, Gross gets them to open up a lot more than they would under
>a more hardball approach. Besides, I believe she chooses the
>interviewees herself, and so a certain amount of sincere interest
>on her part is a given.
_Schadenfreude_ is one of my favorite emotions. What's to be gained
in grilling them and putting them on the defensive? Someone who's
richer, younger and no doubt getting laid more often than me being
made uncomfortable in a public place. That admitted, what you call
building rapport comes across to me as sycophancy; but then, maybe I'm
just meaner than you. (An accomplishment, I think.)
>
>I remember my father listening to KJAZ back in the Sixties, when
>FM radio hadn't been "discovered" and was pretty much the exclusive
>province of college stations and jazz/classical music. That was my
>impression of it back then, anyway. My dad's car at the time was
>the first one with an AM/FM radio that I ever saw.
I have a fond memory of my Dad bringing home some mysterious electronic
gear from his job at Ampex in the early sixties, messing around in the
guts of the family Hi Fi, and, _voila_ FM multiplex stereo! There were
a few stations in that era that broadcast the left channel on AM and the
right on FM.
Peeve: I've been deaf in my right ear since a bout of mumps when I was
six. Dad could demonstrate the principle of stereo to me by disabling
one channel, but it never did anything real for me. As far as I'm
concerned all sounds come from all places. In a perfect world this would
mean that I could save on audio equipment. In the real world, it means
I can't use headphones.
>> There just aren't enough jazz fans in the Bay Area to support a
>> commercial station. But there are enough that are willing to
>> throw a hundred bucks a year or so at a public station to make
>> it viable.
>
>That surprises me. I'd think that any large metropolitan area,
>regardless of region, would have enough jazz fans to support at
>least one commercial station. If I take a liking to KCSM, I'll
>send a few buck their way myself.
KJAZ died the sort of death you would expect from a station run as
a labor of love - the owner got old and weird, fought with the
old time employees, did stupid financial things, and that was that.
Nevertheless, if a commercial jazz station was viable here, it would
have shown up by now - instead, we get elevator music^W^W smooth jazz.
I expect that KCSM lives because the bandwidth is reserved for
"educational" purposes, plus the dedication of the people that work
there.
-Dwight
Pat Steppic
dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) wrote:
> In article <8fujpf$6vr$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) writes:
> >
> >> Now I know you're joking. Terri "Softball" Gross? Jeesh.
> >
>
Hell, mine, too. However, there's a time and a place for everything.
I'm with Geoff on this; "Fresh Air" interviews serve much the same
purpose as morning talk-show interviews -- authors promoting books,
directors promoting films, etc., only they get thirty minutes instead of
thirty seconds, and, by and large, the subjects speak more than the
interviewer.
> What's to be gained
> in grilling them and putting them on the defensive? Someone who's
> richer, younger and no doubt getting laid more often than me being
> made uncomfortable in a public place.
To my mind, putting someone on the spot for its own sake is
mean-spirited and petty. Sometimes, perhaps, people should be called to
account for crimes against humanity, but I think she rarely, if ever,
interviews people like Kenny G or Joe Eszterhas.
A couple of days ago, she interviewed Mike Hodges, director of the
soon-to-be-released (in the US) movie _Croupier_. He sounds like an
interesting guy. The movie sounds interesting. Unlike the typical
puff-piece interview you'd get from Larry King, Terri also talked a
great deal about his *past* work, including a lengthy discussion of his
first movie, _Get Carter_, which, I'm told, is ranked as one of the
better English movies ever. I'd never heard of it, and I doubt I would
have heard of it had the interview been of the confrontational sort that
you seem to favor.
As it is, I've done a little checking, and now I'd like to see _both_
movies.
I also have enjoyed a great many books after hearing their authors on
her show...books that I otherwise probably would never have heard of.
Of course, if it's a boring interview (and there are plenty of those),
the radio gets switched to a college music station.
> That admitted, what you call
> building rapport comes across to me as sycophancy; but then, maybe I'm
> just meaner than you. (An accomplishment, I think.)
Well, as I say, there's a time and place for everything. You don't seem
that mean to me, at least not in person.
Pat "Nor does Geoff, for that matter" Steppic
Rick Gordon
> [Terry Gross and "Fresh Air"]
> To my mind, putting someone on the spot for its own sake is
> mean-spirited and petty. Sometimes, perhaps, people should be called to
> account for crimes against humanity, but I think she rarely, if ever,
> interviews people like Kenny G or Joe Eszterhas.
Terry Gross is so charming, so warm with her guests, that's its borderline
thrilling when she does an interview with a certifiable jerk. Like that
woman who used to write speeches for George Bush, Elder, or Brian dePalma
(who reminisced about the common vocabulary he shares with Hitchcock since
"We have so much in common"). I think my favorite was the animal-rights
dude who reluctantly drew the sentient-and-caring line just south of
arachnids. I waited for Ms. Gross to draw a deep breath and counter,
"That's fascinating, but it's completely looney, isn't it?" Alas.
By the way, is there a dead pool somewhere for bets on Juan Williams'
tenure on "Talk of the Nation"? Ray Suarez is a tough act to follow, but
Williams needs more than OJT, if you get my drift.
--
Rick Gordon | "Loud is good."
ri...@netgate.net | -- Frank Loesser
paghat
<ri...@netgate.net> wrote:
> Terry Gross is so charming, so warm with her guests, that's its borderline
> thrilling when she does an interview with a certifiable jerk. Like that
> woman who used to write speeches for George Bush, Elder, or Brian dePalma
> (who reminisced about the common vocabulary he shares with Hitchcock since
> "We have so much in common"). I think my favorite was the animal-rights
> dude who reluctantly drew the sentient-and-caring line just south of
> arachnids. I waited for Ms. Gross to draw a deep breath and counter,
> "That's fascinating, but it's completely looney, isn't it?" Alas.
>
> By the way, is there a dead pool somewhere for bets on Juan Williams'
> tenure on "Talk of the Nation"? Ray Suarez is a tough act to follow, but
> Williams needs more than OJT, if you get my drift.
What you got against arachnids bubba?
When I met Ray Suarez I was so shocked he's practically a munchkin.
-paghat the ratgirl
--
----
"Shut the fuck up you evil shitbrain female."
-"Lan" (Men's Rights advocate) to paghat the ratgirl
Marian L. Birkeland
: To my mind, putting someone on the spot for its own sake is
: mean-spirited and petty. Sometimes, perhaps, people should be called to
: account for crimes against humanity, but I think she rarely, if ever,
: interviews people like Kenny G or Joe Eszterhas.
: A couple of days ago, she interviewed Mike Hodges, director of the
: soon-to-be-released (in the US) movie _Croupier_.
Last night, at about the dinner hour, she interviewed a forensic
entomologist, who has recently published a book. It was absolutely
fascinating, though not an appetite stimulator. He was a quiet and
softspoken man, the kind that she interviews best because she managed to
draw him out, and got him to describe in detail just how he studies the
insects living in corpses, and how his evidence has been used in criminal
cases. His description of wrapping a pig carcass in a blanket and leaving
it in the back garden to discover the number of days it took the flies to
penetrate the wrapper and lay eggs on the corpse was especially
priceless.
M Birkeland (Maggots, maggots, maggots. Rice for dinner?)
Alan Gore
>KJAZ died the sort of death you would expect from a station run as
>a labor of love - the owner got old and weird, fought with the
>old time employees, did stupid financial things, and that was that.
He was ahead of his time, that's all. Today he would, if similar
conditions prevailed, just transform his fading station into kjaz.com,
issue an IPO for a skrillion dollars, and "make money" distributing
RealAudio elevator music over the Internet. Revenue would derive from
selling T-shirts and coffee cups that say "KJAZ.COM - Music For the Od
and Weird."
Dwight Wilcox
Alan Gore <ag...@uswest.net> wrote:
>dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) wrote:
>
>>KJAZ died the sort of death you would expect from a station run as
>>a labor of love - the owner got old and weird, fought with the
>>old time employees, did stupid financial things, and that was that.
>
>He was ahead of his time, that's all. Today he would, if similar
>conditions prevailed, just transform his fading station into kjaz.com,
>issue an IPO for a skrillion dollars, and "make money" distributing
>RealAudio elevator music over the Internet. Revenue would derive from
>selling T-shirts and coffee cups that say "KJAZ.COM - Music For the Od
>and Weird."
The last gasp was trying to distibute his station as FM over cable -
perhaps the 1992 equivalent as Real Audio over the Internet. In
those less sophisticated times, he was asked why he thought that
if the financials didn't work with the over the air audience, why
did he think they would work with the much smaller audience that
actually figured out how to get the FM off the cable into their
stereos?
-DW
Dwight Wilcox
Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <392386d8$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
> dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) wrote:
>> In article <8fujpf$6vr$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
>> Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
To which I will grudgingly admit both, having, like Pat, found
out about worthwhile movies and books from her interviews.
>
>> That admitted, what you call
>> building rapport comes across to me as sycophancy; but then, maybe I'm
>> just meaner than you. (An accomplishment, I think.)
>
>Well, as I say, there's a time and place for everything. You don't seem
>that mean to me, at least not in person.
Thanks, I guess. I do take pride in being impatient and judgemental,
which I think the typical NPR supporter would translate as "mean". You
are clearly not an idiot, and it was quite pleasant having more
than a couple of drinks on Bourbon street with you, so there was
no impetus to deploy that side of my character.
I can report that Mr. Steppic takes his beverages quite seriously. We
found ourselves in a bar which promised good music; on asking about
beer, we found that the choices were Bud or Miller, light or regular.
Pat chose Sprite. I, given the choice between any alcohol and no
alcohol, threw good taste to the winds and had a beer (which of the
four choices is not worth remembering). To me, not drinking in a bar
(even for good reasons of good taste) takes admirable will power.
Fortunately, we later found an establishment which had both good
music and good drink. Pat pointed out a single malt that was very
fine - though for some reason I cannot remember the brand.
!Peeve: The music in New Orleans, even in the tourist traps, is
always well played. Even the homeless guys playing sax in the street
was good. (By contrast, the homeless sax players around Union Square
in San Francisco make a noise that renders the entire square unihabitable.)
Peeve: No longer in New Orleans on an expense account. It was fun
while it lasted.
-Dwight
Pat Steppic
dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) wrote:
> In article <8g1382$baj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Pat Steppic <hp...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >In article <392386d8$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
> > dwi...@best.com (Dwight Wilcox) wrote:
> >> In article <8fujpf$6vr$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
> >> Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
> <Terri Gross: suck up, good interviewer, or both?>
>
> To which I will grudgingly admit both, having, like Pat, found
> out about worthwhile movies and books from her interviews.
And, in the interest of fairness, I will also concede your point, that
when there is a worthy victim, she has absolutely *no* killer instinct,
see followup elsewhere about the interview she did with the guy looking
for equal rights for animals.
I heard that interview, and posted about it a few months ago.
Basically, the guy is an attorney and wants chimps and bonobos to have
rights as legal persons (see post elsewhere for a brief description,
the concept isn't as stupid as you might think). Of course, Terri
asked where it might end: does one risk jail time for fumigating one's
apartment for cockroaches?
Predictably, the guy gave a *really* non-committal answer which
suggested that he is willing to slide down that slippery slope, and
T.G. didn't try to pin him down.
> I can report that Mr. Steppic takes his beverages quite seriously. We
> found ourselves in a bar which promised good music; on asking about
> beer, we found that the choices were Bud or Miller, light or regular.
> Pat chose Sprite.
Between cheap beer and no beer, I'll pick no beer. Fortunately, that
choice virtually never arises 'round here.
By the way, I recall that the Scotch was either Oban or Lagavulin, but
I might be mis-remembering.
Pat "Got a bottle of each downstairs, in fact" Steppic
Pat Steppic
birk...@mail.med.upenn.edu (Marian L. Birkeland) wrote:
[Terri (or is it Terry?) Gross, of NPR's "Fresh Air"]
> Last night, at about the dinner hour, she interviewed a forensic
> entomologist [who] describe[d] in detail just how he studies the
> insects living in corpses...
!Peeve: RealAudio archives. I'm going to listen to that one tomorrow
sometime.
> [...]wrapping a pig carcass in a blanket and leaving
> it in the back garden to discover the number of days it took the
flies to
> penetrate the wrapper and lay eggs on the corpse was especially
> priceless.
I recently read about a university that does this, with humans. I
can't remember the paper that featured the story (I've been travelling
a bit, and tend to read local papers or the New York Times, so it was
that, one of the two big Chicago papers, or one in N'Awlins) some
reason, I recall that there's a university in one of the Border States*
to which people can will their bodies...to science, you see...and they
take the bodies, put 'em out in a field, and let 'em rot.
Some will get buried in shallow graves, some left out in the open.
Some will get wrapped, some clothed, some nekkid, some whole, some
dismembered. The point, of course, is to collect hard data that will
allow forensics types to make accurate estimates about how long bodies
have been left lying around.
Apparently, his course is quite a popular one; there's actually quite a
waiting list. There's *also* quite a "waiting list," as it were, for
donors -- they have more candidates for...erm..."disposal" than they
have room in which to dispose of them.
Hell, *I'd* donate my body to something like *that*.
> M Birkeland (Maggots, maggots, maggots. Rice for dinner?)
They're almost pure protein.
Pat "And nice and crunchy when fried, I bet" Steppic
* Which is to say, Kentucky or Tennessee.
AB
> The time is ripe for an Open Source streaming media standard.
Ayuh. Actually, RTSP and MMS are supposedly open and public.
But there are other efforts. And the LAME MP3 encoder, incidentally,
is now 100% open source and Fraunhofer-free.
Basically, we have free MPEG and H.323 codecs and RTSP sample code
for protocol. The value of using common protocols is that firewalls
know 'em and there's a chance RealPlayer or MS Media Player will play
such streams. Gotta deal with the installed base, after all.
!Peeve: Alex at Streambox sez there's gonna be news RSN about Real's
suit against them. Alex, you see, reverse-engineered PNM as well as
Real's tweaks to RTSP. Real sued under the DMCA's provisions that
"protect" security protocols. Security. Uh, yeah.
Peeve: Companies who use lawyers and lobbyists instead of competent
engineers.
!Peeve: "Who do you sue if something breaks?" is becoming as much
a problem for commercial SW as for free SW. Strike one argument
against using the free stuff.
--
drop ego to email me
Art Walker
<kmmon...@ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>I think Dyer Straits "Money for Nothin" was about thirtieth on the list.
If there was justice in the world, "This Note's For You" by Neil Young
would have been number one.
- Art
Jake Kesinger
: Art Walker <awalke...@earthlink.net> wrote:
: : A classic example is one area station that held a listener poll a while
: : back for "the greatest rock songs of all time".
: : The winner: Metallica - "Master of Puppets".
: Reminds me of the "MTVs 100 Greatest Videos" from not too long back.
[Kids vote for kid's stuff]
[snip]
I assume you're aware that ``Master of Puppets'' came out in 1986 (that's
an eight, not a nine) and is the canonical example of Good, as opposed
to New, Metallica?
Greatest rock song of all time? I'm not so sure. Greatest heavy metal
song of the 1980s? Maybe.
==Jake ``let's pretend the symphonic version doesn't exist, OK?'' K.
Scott
Pat Steppic wrote:
> reason, I recall that there's a university in one of the Border States*
> to which people can will their bodies...to science, you see...and they
> take the bodies, put 'em out in a field, and let 'em rot.
>
> Some will get buried in shallow graves, some left out in the open.
> Some will get wrapped, some clothed, some nekkid, some whole, some
> dismembered. The point, of course, is to collect hard data that will
> allow forensics types to make accurate estimates about how long bodies
> have been left lying around.
>
> Apparently, his course is quite a popular one; there's actually quite a
> waiting list. There's *also* quite a "waiting list," as it were, for
> donors -- they have more candidates for...erm..."disposal" than they
> have room in which to dispose of them.
I would think that, with all these buried and partially buried
corpses laying about on a plot of land, that the data would
get [however slightly] somewhat skewed. Perhaps the soil
might take on some otherwise unknown properties, what
with all the decomposing flesh, or maybe scavengers might
be more apt to set up camp and accelerate the decompo-
sition rate. <shrug>
ObRelatedPeeve: I don't know why it bothers me what
happens to my body after I ascend to the celestial lodge,
but I've made some pretty specific notations on the donor
card I keep in my wallet. And I just know that once my
body is pulled from the wreckage, a cursory glance (if at
all) will be made at my card, and, time being of the
essence, they'll begin carving me up willy-nilly, grabbing
every useable piece they can get their hands on.
Scott
Felix Allergenia
kmmon...@ucdavis.edu writes:
> Personally, I would've voted "Fat" by Wierd Al in the top ten,
> but I have fond memories of MTV in the '80s, right before it
> turned into one long Real World marathon.
I have fond memories of MTV in the *early* 80s, when it had nothing
but videos. No commercials, no Martha Quinn, nothing. Tommy Tutone
or Christopher Cross or Asia, anyone?
Geoff "And now you find youself in eighty-two..." Miller
Art Walker
>I have fond memories of MTV in the *early* 80s, when it had nothing
>but videos. No commercials, no Martha Quinn, nothing. Tommy Tutone
>or Christopher Cross or Asia, anyone?
No commercials?
What the hell d'ya think music videos *are*, anyway...
- Art
Geoff Miller
awalke...@earthlink.net (Art Walker) writes:
[no commercials in the early days of EmptyVee]
> No commercials?
> What the hell d'ya think music videos *are*, anyway...
You know what I meant, smartass.
Geoff
Nosy
< pop crap from the past few years. I think Dyer Straits "Money for
< Nothin" was about thirtieth on the list.
I don't think that old Jim =o= had anything at all to
do with that there band a-tall.
IIRC, "Dire" is the proper spelling...
<Personally, I would've voted "Fat" by Wierd Al in the top ten,
Nah, it don't hold a candle for sheer Empty-Vee
lunacy to "Like A Surgeon", not really. Even "I
Lost On Jeopardy" ranks higher than "Fat", surely.
<but I have fond memories of
<MTV in the '80s, right before it turned into one long Real World
<marathon.
Huh? I thought that Empty-Vee turned into one long
Rapppah-Mara-Thon and never changed back?
Oh, and what ever happened to that UltraHotSeries,
"Austin"?
Mark Wood
Nosy wrote:
>
> <Personally, I would've voted "Fat" by Wierd Al in the top ten,
>
> Nah, it don't hold a candle for sheer Empty-Vee
> lunacy to "Like A Surgeon", not really. Even "I
> Lost On Jeopardy" ranks higher than "Fat", surely.
I always thought "One More Minute" was the best
Weird Al video.
> <but I have fond memories of
> <MTV in the '80s, right before it turned into one long Real World
> <marathon.
Actually they played an endless succession of
crappy hairband performance videos for a couple of
years before they stopped playing music entirely.
Do these names sound familiar; Poison, Warrant,
Firehouse, Extreme, Winger, Cinderella, Motley
Crue, Nelson, Jackyl, and the list goes on.
Had they played anything that the public wanted
to hear, rather than pushing all those payola
pansies on us, they might have maintained an
audience. The "Real World" and it's ilk were
spawned in a desperate attempt to prop up flagging
ratings. Had they simply returned to playing good
videos, the crisis would have ended.
Something I thought was really amusing was
seeing new videos on Much Music out of Canada,
fully two years before they aired on MTV. One of
those videos was my first exposure to the band
Delerium.
>
> Huh? I thought that Empty-Vee turned into one long
> Rapppah-Mara-Thon and never changed back?
This is their form of apologism, MTV was rather
pointedly anti-black in the early eighties. Now
they think that all rap is relevant, and that
their wholesale acceptance of it makes them cool.
They are very much like the people who go on at
length about the deep philosophical insights of
the guys who smear their own shit on canvasses.
-M. Wood