Peanuts on Flights.
Geoff Miller
Found in rec.travel.air:
> Later this year we plan to take our family holiday to the USA. Our three
> year old suffers from a life threatening allergy called anaphylaxis
> which means she could die if she ingests peanuts. There is also a major
> risk of breathing dust from hundreds of packets of peanuts when their
> opened on a flight.
>
> The airline tells me that it's just too much hassle to change the in
> flight snack from peanuts to chips. I can't believe this and I'm looking
> for support for my view that this disregard for the health of a young
> child is appaling.
Spot 'em.
Geoff
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Geoff Miller
Mark Crawford <ma...@boehringer-ingelheim.com> writes:
> Later this year we plan to take our family holiday to the USA. Our three
> year old suffers from a life threatening allergy called anaphylaxis
> which means she could die if she ingests peanuts. There is also a major
> risk of breathing dust from hundreds of packets of peanuts when their
> opened on a flight.
> The airline tells me that it's just too much hassle to change the in
> flight snack from peanuts to chips. I can't believe this and I'm looking
> for support for my view that this disregard for the health of a young
> child is appaling.
I did a doubletake when I reread your post and noted that your family
will be taking a holiday _to_ the USA. Why? Because your arrogant,
self-centered, "The world revolves around the needs of my child"
mindset is so typical of American Baby Boomer parents. Rightly or
wrongly, I tend to think of Europeans as more realistic, considerate,
and yes, _humble_ when it comes to their and their children's place
in the greater scheme of things. Perhaps that was a bit of an
overgeneralization on my part. Of course, your name _could_ easily
pass for an American one, so maybe you're actually an American
expatriate.
Allow me to clue you in, Mark: Your daughter and her medical conditions
are _your_ problem, not the rest of the world's. That's a natural
extension of the fact that the decision to spawn was yours and your
wife's alone. The rest of humanity wasn't in on that decision, and
therefore shouldn't be expected to bear whatever burdens resulted
from it.
If your kid can't deal with the type of environment that's common aboard
passenger aircraft, then the obvious solution to that problem is for her
to _not fly_. If that means not taking this trip, then that's a pity.
But then where did you ever get the idea that this holiday was some sort
of birthright? And how did your kid's medical weaknesses get to be
everyone else's problem?
If the prerequisite for your family's traveling is that an airline and
an airplane full of passengers -- strangers all -- would have to deviate
so much as one iota from their usual ways of doing things, then you are
completely out of line to even entertain the idea of making such a request.
The fact that you actually pursued the notion is ample evidence that you
not only have a hell of a lot of nerve, but balls of depleted uranium as
well.
Asking for a special meal is one thing; that's something that's not
only common and hassle-free for an airline to provide, but would
also affect no one on the flight but yourself. But expecting everyone
else involved to make a change for your benefit is light years beyond
absurd. And then when your request is denied, you react as though
everyone in the great parade of life were out of step but you. You
are simply amazing!
Pass the peanuts.
Geoff
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Craig Welch
Julian,
I happen to agree with you that no one person has a right to have an
airline change its catering arrangements for convenience. And if the
child in question can't fly as a consequence, that's unfortunate, but
too bad.
But I am appalled at the language you have used to make your point.
What on earth are you thinking when you use phrases like:
>because you spawned a defective brat
>
>because your wife pumped out a freak?
>
Good God, I have seen a lot of gutter language on the internet. But
without using a single swear word, you have managed to create one of
the nastiest postings I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
Craig
Julian Macassey
In article <31838...@boehringer-ingelheim.com>,
Mark Crawford <ma...@boehringer-ingelheim.com> wrote:
>Later this year we plan to take our family holiday to the USA. Our three
>year old suffers from a life threatening allergy called anaphylaxis
>which means she could die if she ingests peanuts.
So, don't feed her peanuts.
> There is also a major
>risk of breathing dust from hundreds of packets of peanuts when their
>opened on a flight.
So, don't take her on a flight.
>
>The airline tells me that it's just too much hassle to change the in
>flight snack from peanuts to chips.
Yes more hassle for them. Obviously you think getting the
world to change because you spawned a defective brat is OK.
What makes you think I or anyone else should change their life
because your wife pumped out a freak?
> I can't believe this and I'm looking
>for support for my view that this disregard for the health of a young
>child is appaling.
What appalls me is your selfishness. Does the world revolve
around you?
>Please e-mail me and let me know if you would object
>to missing out on the bag of peanuts when you are flying.
"This is your captain speaking. You will not be getting a bag
o' nuts with your drinkies today because Mr Crawford in seat 19F
doesn't think we should serve them."
Damn right I object. I bet you would be the first to whine if
I demanded the cabin temp be 95 oF because I have a temp regulation
problem.
I note that whiners like you whine because things are not how
they would like them and screw everyone else.
--
Julian Macassey, 415.276.6600
Christopher B. Stone
In article <geoffmDq...@netcom.com>,
Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Allow me to clue you in, Mark: Your daughter and her medical conditions
>are _your_ problem, not the rest of the world's. That's a natural
>extension of the fact that the decision to spawn was yours and your
>wife's alone. The rest of humanity wasn't in on that decision, and
>therefore shouldn't be expected to bear whatever burdens resulted
>from it.
Good God. There were about a dozen earlier responses that pointed out
why Mark was wrong to expect airlines to forego peanuts merely because of
his daughter's allergy. Then came *your* post, which was so nasty it
managed to make Mark look reasonable.
--
Chris Stone
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Deborah Stevenson
In <318a2770...@news.pacific.net.sg> cr...@pacific.net.sg (Craig Welch)
writes:
>Julian,
>I happen to agree with you that no one person has a right to have an
>airline change its catering arrangements for convenience. And if the
>child in question can't fly as a consequence, that's unfortunate, but
>too bad.
>But I am appalled at the language you have used to make your point.
(snip)
>Good God, I have seen a lot of gutter language on the internet. But
>without using a single swear word, you have managed to create one of
>the nastiest postings I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
Well, he did crosspost to alt.peeves, which has rather a different style
of discourse than rec.travel.air. But he *has* succeeded in convincing
me that the original poster absolutely should get the snacks changed, and
that it should happen on Julian's flight :-).
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Julian Macassey
In article <4mf9t0$8...@cnn.princeton.edu>,
Christopher B. Stone <cbs...@tucson.princeton.edu> wrote:
>In article <geoffmDq...@netcom.com>,
>Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Allow me to clue you in, Mark: Your daughter and her medical conditions
>>are _your_ problem, not the rest of the world's. That's a natural
>>extension of the fact that the decision to spawn was yours and your
>>wife's alone. The rest of humanity wasn't in on that decision, and
>>therefore shouldn't be expected to bear whatever burdens resulted
>>from it.
>
>Good God. There were about a dozen earlier responses that pointed out
>why Mark was wrong to expect airlines to forego peanuts merely because of
>his daughter's allergy. Then came *your* post, which was so nasty it
>managed to make Mark look reasonable.
Wrongo. Geoff was being reasoned. Mr. Peanut was being
unreasonable. Someone has to slap the whiners and professional victims
of this world.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
--
Julian Macassey, 415.276.6600
John Novak
>Good God, I have seen a lot of gutter language on the internet. But
>without using a single swear word, you have managed to create one of
>the nastiest postings I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
Take a bow, Julian.
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Kelly Fitzpatrick
Christopher B. Stone (cbs...@tucson.princeton.edu) wrote:
: Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
: >Your daughter and her medical conditions are _your_ problem, not the
: >rest of the world's.
: Good God. There were about a dozen earlier responses that pointed out
: why Mark was wrong to expect airlines to forego peanuts merely because of
: his daughter's allergy. Then came *your* post, which was so nasty it
: managed to make Mark look reasonable.
Yes. We're *so* proud of him!
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My employer (me) fully endorses all my positions.
My wife and clients, however, occasionally demur.
Julian Macassey
In article <318a2770...@news.pacific.net.sg>,
Craig Welch <cr...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
snippo
>But I am appalled at the language you have used to make your point.
>
>>
I was thinking. Isn't a shame that no one seems to have the
courage to tell this whiny little wanker to shut up, sit down and get
on with his own miserble life.
So, I decided I would have to do it.
>>
>
>Good God, I have seen a lot of gutter language on the internet. But
>without using a single swear word, you have managed to create one of
>the nastiest postings I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
Actually I am proud. How many people could create one of the
nastiest posts you have ever seen and not use a swear word?
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Dirty White Boy
In article <4mijv9$j...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Deborah Stevenson) writes:
>Well, he did crosspost to alt.peeves, which has rather a different style
>of discourse than rec.travel.air. But he *has* succeeded in convincing
>me that the original poster absolutely should get the snacks changed, and
>that it should happen on Julian's flight :-).
It'd be ever so much more fun to sneak a coupla peanuts into the
kid's pretzels, and watch her twitch and convulse like a coke-snorting
break dancer. But then, that's just me.
VJ
Jesper Lauridsen
cr...@pacific.net.sg (Craig Welch) wrote:
>>because you spawned a defective brat
>>
>>because your wife pumped out a freak?
>>
>Good God, I have seen a lot of gutter language on the internet. But
>without using a single swear word, you have managed to create one of
>the nastiest postings I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
You misspelled "proud".
Print it and frame it, Julian.
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Geoff Miller
cbs...@tucson.princeton.edu (Christopher B. Stone) writes:
> Good God.
That seems to be quite a popular exclamation in this thread, no?
> There were about a dozen earlier responses that pointed out
> why Mark was wrong to expect airlines to forego peanuts merely
> because of his daughter's allergy.
Yes, I know that; I read them. My post was unique and
significant in that it didn't tiptoe delicately around the
real issue in some pointless, mealy-mouthed attempt to avoid
ruffling any feathers. It filled a vacant niche, and I for one
would like to think that we're all the richer for my having
posted it. It's important to me to be a contributor, after all.
> Then came *your* post, which was so nasty it managed to make
> Mark look reasonable.
Reasonableness is a function of what one says, not of how he
says it.
ph111
And also...
Per Lšwdin (dok...@us.uu.se) wrote:
>spohara@inetg1 (O'Hara Shun Ping (303)293-4594) wrote:
>>Mark Crawford (ma...@boehringer-ingelheim.com) wrote:
>> Personally I hate peanuts.
>So do I: It is not even a proper nut but a kind of pea or bean that
>grows under ground. Ecologically they are disastrous where they grow.
>You get cancer from the on the skin under the shells. If it helps
>somebody´s poor baby I think it is would be an execellent idea to let
>this bean stay where it belongs: i.e., underground! Respectable airlines
>serve cashews or pista nuts. Anything but this fake nut.
Sensei
Mark Crawford <ma...@boehringer-ingelheim.com> writes:
>Later this year we plan to take our family holiday to the USA. Our
>three year old suffers from a life threatening allergy called
>anaphylaxis which means she could die if she ingests peanuts. There
>is also a major risk of breathing dust from hundreds of packets of
>peanuts when their opened on a flight.
You say this as if it were a Bad Thing.
>The airline tells me that it's just too much hassle to change the in
>flight snack from peanuts to chips. I can't believe this and I'm
>looking for support for my view that this disregard for the health of
>a young child is appaling.
Excuse me? Expecting a planeload of passengers to change their dietary
predelections simply because you wish to take your spawn on a holiday
is arrogant in the extreme. If a peanut-rich atmosphere is dangerous
to your kid, then the solution is simple: don't let her breathe it.
In short, _keep her off the plane, or buy her a respirator.
ObSheesh: sheesh.
Jon
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Charlie Stross
Fiona Swan<gx...@dial.pipex.com> wrote
(in article <4mt1ee$i...@soap.news.pipex.net>):
>I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is,
"Granny, would you like me to show you how to suck this egg?"
> but it is
>a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
>of *any* nut which causes the entire cardio-respiratory system to shut
>down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
>normally within 30 second to preserve life.
Not true.
Systemic anaphylaxis _is_ extremely nasty -- at a minimum, if you see
someone going into it you should call an ambulance immediately and be
prepared to administer CPR. But it doesn't always go quite that far.
Typically you get a huge drop in blood pressure and other symptoms of
shock, including respiratory depression. Adrenalin (aka epinephrine,
for the Americans reading this) helps a lot with the blood pressure,
while some anti-histamine or other will do something about the
trigger of the allergic reaction. But to say that this has to be
administered within 30 seconds to preserve life is a little bit of an
exaggeration; in most cases you've got a few minutes, and even if
they stop breathing rescussitation measures plus adrenalin should get
them ticking again.
>Even shaking hands with
>someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
>enough to cause death! Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do.
Really? "What every other child is allowed to do?" I don't think so.
There is an indisputable right for the kid to live their own life.
They do _not_ have some kind of natural right to travel tourist
class via foobar airlines.
Consider the ubiquity of peanuts. Peanut oil is used in catering
supplies. It's used for other purposes. You get peanuts in vegeburgers
and other foodstuffs. If the kid is _that_ sensitive to peanuts,
it is not enough to simply make sure that no peanut snacks are
served in flight; the entire in-flight catering provisions need to be
vetted in minute detail, the plane needs to be cleaned to make sure
there's no peanut dust lurking behind the seats, and someone's even
got to ensure that the passengers are searched for bags of privately-
owned peanuts on boarding.
I think if you total this up you might just realize that what you're
asking for isn't a routine airline seat -- it's a phenomenally
expensive exercise that will cost the airline tens of thousands of
dollars and quite probably inconvenience _all_ the other passengers
on the flight.
>Are
>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>choosing is considered weak? We're not just talking about an bit of
>asthma here. I think the airline concerned should be named, so that
>anyone who feels so inclined *can* register their disappointment about
>their consideration for their fare-paying passengers.
It would be a very odd airline indeed who would go out of their way
to make a 'clean' flight available for such a cause. Why not simply
bite the bullet and travel with an emergency medical pack and a
trained paramedic? Now _that_ would be a bit easier to lay on.
-- Charlie
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Fiona Swan
I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is, but it is
a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
of *any* nut which causes the entire cardio-respiratory system to shut
down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
enough to cause death! Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
choosing is considered weak? We're not just talking about an bit of
asthma here. I think the airline concerned should be named, so that
anyone who feels so inclined *can* register their disappointment about
their consideration for their fare-paying passengers.
sen...@anglianet.co.uk (Sensei) wrote:
>Mark Crawford <ma...@boehringer-ingelheim.com> writes:
>>Later this year we plan to take our family holiday to the USA. Our
>>three year old suffers from a life threatening allergy called
>>anaphylaxis which means she could die if she ingests peanuts. There
>>is also a major risk of breathing dust from hundreds of packets of
>>peanuts when their opened on a flight.
>You say this as if it were a Bad Thing.
>>The airline tells me that it's just too much hassle to change the in
>>flight snack from peanuts to chips. I can't believe this and I'm
>>looking for support for my view that this disregard for the health of
>>a young child is appaling.
>Excuse me? Expecting a planeload of passengers to change their dietary
>predelections simply because you wish to take your spawn on a holiday
>is arrogant in the extreme. If a peanut-rich atmosphere is dangerous
>to your kid, then the solution is simple: don't let her breathe it.
So, Jon, how do you stop a 3 year old from breathing? Well, perhaps
in your case, I can guess ....
>In short, _keep her off the plane, or buy her a respirator.
If _you_ suffered from such a condition, would you stop getting on
with your life because other people were too shallow to allow you a
bit of compassion?
Dirty White Boy
In article <slrn4p42ff...@fma10.fma.com> cha...@fma.com writes:
>I think if you total this up you might just realize that what you're
>asking for isn't a routine airline seat -- it's a phenomenally
>expensive exercise that will cost the airline tens of thousands of
>dollars and quite probably inconvenience _all_ the other passengers
>on the flight.
Any airline that were so inclined to do this in isolated cases
where genetically inferior mutant spawn are concerned would be
forced to pass the expense on to the normal passengers, causing
them to be punisshed twice. Once by not getting the peanuts that
everyone is entitled to, and twice by having to pay more to
accommodate the wishes of selfish parents and defective kids.
Now, is that really fair? Fuck no!!
VJ
John Novak
>I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is, but it is
>a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
>of *any* nut which causes the entire cardio-respiratory system to shut
>down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
>normally within 30 second to preserve life.
Oh, sorry, I must have had that confused with prophylactic shock,
something from which one or the other of the parents of the little
sprog must have suffered. More's the pity, or we wouldn't be having
this little discussion.
> Even shaking hands with
>someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
>enough to cause death!
Is there any way to induce this syndrome?
Christ, what a perfect execution method.
Eat a peanut, shake hands, and <boom> some fucker you've hated for
years keels over dead.
There should be research on this, I tell you.
> Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do. Are
>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>choosing is considered weak?
Well, yes, in fact we are.
Look here, babe, the simple fact of the matter is that this kid is
_not_ just like every other child in the word. The child is
defective. If there were any justice, the parents would have been
able to complain at the hospital (within one year of the date of
delivery, of course) and get one without the operating system bug
which causes it to crash on peanut input.
But the fact of the matter is, they can't do this.
Let me repeat again, for the slow learners in the back of the class.
You! <Snap snap> Pay the fuck attention and stop watching the buxom
joggers out in the quad!
The child _cannot_ do what every other child can. The child cannot,
for instance, eat peanuts. Not without having some serious health
problems. If the child decided he wanted a steak, and headed to a
saloon style steak house that served buckets of roasted peanuts as
appetizers, a place where you throw the shells on the floor like God
intended, what would your proposed course of action be? Vacuum the
whole place out, douse the floor boards in formaldehyde, and ditch the
barrel of peanuts in the corner for the duration?
Of course not. The solution here is DON'T GO BY PEANUTS.
Sure, you can ask if the airline has anything set up to handle this,
or if they just happen to have flights that don't serve peanuts, but
by God, expect to have those broken peanut shells shoved right up
your ass if you bother to whine about it and act like the airline owes
you anything except a seat to plant your ass in, and a peanut-dusted air
mask if the cabin de-pressurizes.
> We're not just talking about an bit of
>asthma here. I think the airline concerned should be named, so that
>anyone who feels so inclined *can* register their disappointment about
>their consideration for their fare-paying passengers.
I think they should be named, too, so I can give them all my business
in the future. Any airline that refuses to buckle under the pressure
of one oddball family with an obsession for making the rest of the
world suffer for their problem must, by my lights, be a good company.
>>Excuse me? Expecting a planeload of passengers to change their dietary
>>predelections simply because you wish to take your spawn on a holiday
>>is arrogant in the extreme. If a peanut-rich atmosphere is dangerous
>>to your kid, then the solution is simple: don't let her breathe it.
>So, Jon, how do you stop a 3 year old from breathing? Well, perhaps
>in your case, I can guess ....
Duh. Learn to read, Speaker To Cucumbers.
The statement wasn't "Don't let her breathe," but "Don't let her
breathe [peanut dust]". Perhaps this was too complicated for you.
Not breathing peanut dust is easily accomplished by either bringing
along a mask, if such is sufficient, bringing along a respirator (they
do make these things, you know) or simply _not going_.
>>In short, _keep her off the plane, or buy her a respirator.
>If _you_ suffered from such a condition, would you stop getting on
>with your life because other people were too shallow to allow you a
>bit of compassion?
And how exactly does buying a respirator map onto not getting on with
your life? Can you, in fact, read the English language?
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abort, adopt, ???
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Fiona Swan <gx...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> Are
>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>choosing is considered weak?
Yes.
Oh, I see, you had no idea where your posting was going, did you?
You know, there are lots of really rare, dangerous, often fatal medical
conditions people can be born with. There are also plenty of healthy
people on this planet. For those conditions which can be detected by
amnioscentesis, and which will with certainty require expensive, often
government-subsidized measures be taken for survival, my preference
would be to hit the parents with the bill while they still have a choice.
When the kids are born a burden, why should _society_ have to bear it?
This attitude of "I'm special, everybody else has to deal with it" is
purely a result of bleeding-heart idiots changing the meaning of the
word "special" so that it now includes such things as "crippled"
"retarded" "defective" and "stupid."
I have hay-fever allergies. Do I demand that my neighbors cut down
their trees and pave their lawns? No, I _deal_with_it_, and I've never
thought of my allergies as anything other than a _defect_ in my
construction that is _my_ responsibility. If I were ever to look
anywhere for someone to share the responsibility, I'd have had to
start with my parents, certainly not an airline. Beyond that, I make
_polite_requests_, not demands. And I accept the answers I get,
unless I actually command the authority to do otherwise.
On flights that allow smoking, *I* have to deal with it, and I do.
This thread makes me glad that I have an established habit of asking
for any extra peanut packets I might be able to get, and keeping a supply
in my flightbag. I won't be flying on *any* "peanut free" flights in the
predictable future, that's for damned sure.
Bob O`Bob
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Julian Macassey
In article <4mt1ee$i...@soap.news.pipex.net>,
Fiona Swan <gx...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is, but it is
>a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
>of *any* nut which causes the entire cardio-respiratory system to shut
>down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
>someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>asthma here. I think the airline concerned should be named, so that
>anyone who feels so inclined *can* register their disappointment about
>their consideration for their fare-paying passengers.
Where does it say that all children are allowed to take
trans Atantic flights?
So if the child is defective and can't survive in a normal
human environment, keep it out of that environemnt or let it die and
get another kid that can live like a normal human.
Is this a hard concept for you whiners to grasp?
--
Julian Macassey, 415.647.2217
M Holmes
Julian Macassey (jul...@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <31838...@boehringer-ingelheim.com>,
: Mark Crawford <ma...@boehringer-ingelheim.com> wrote:
: >Later this year we plan to take our family holiday to the USA. Our three
: >year old suffers from a life threatening allergy called anaphylaxis
: >which means she could die if she ingests peanuts.
: So, don't feed her peanuts.
: > There is also a major
: >risk of breathing dust from hundreds of packets of peanuts when their
: >opened on a flight.
: So, don't take her on a flight.
Couldn't he just send her as baggage?
FoFP
--
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-- Grainger
John B. Baron
Someone else scribbled:
---Scribble---
>because you spawned a defective brat
>
>because your wife pumped out a freak?
>
Good God, I have seen a lot of gutter language on the internet. But
without using a single swear word, you have managed to create one of
the nastiest postings I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
---Unquote---
I wouldn't change a thing, Julian. Good work!
Actually, "pumped out" is a bit inappropriate. I would have written
"crapped out". :D
Do you suppose Mr. No-peanuts has tried to get cars banned from
the streets around his home just in case he fails to keep his
brat under proper supervision?
Just how difficult would it be for him to keep his kid from
eating peanuts? All the guy has to do is sit between the
daughter and the aisle to keep the flight staff from accidentally
handing the kid a bag of peanuts. As for airborne peanut dust,
tough shit. I don't buy it and even if it were true, I'd say
slap a particle mask on the kid.
Bahi Takkouche
On Wed, 8 May 1996, ph111 wrote:
> >You get cancer from the on the skin under the shells.
Where did you get this information? I am an epidemiologist specialised in
nutrition and cancer and this is perhaps a discovery that I would like to
teach or to publish (;.
Now seriously: don't believe everything you read in magazines or
non-scientific journals, you would stop eating.
Bahi
(Spain)
Jason Sullivan
In article <obrienDr...@netcom.com>,
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
>
> reduce, reuse, recycle
>
> abort, adopt, ???
abstain.
HTH
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James Gray
In article <4mt1ee$i...@soap.news.pipex.net>,
Fiona Swan <gx...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is, but it is
>a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
>of *any* nut which causes the entire cardio-respiratory system to shut
>down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
>normally within 30 second to preserve life.
No, you are *wrong* BZZZZZT thankyewferplayin.
Anaphylactic shock in *this* case is related to an allergy to peanuts.
Anaphylaxis in general is defined as "a hypersensitivity (as to foreign
proteins or drugs) resulting from sensitization following prior
contact with the causative agent." (Webster's New Collegiate)
Anaphylactic shock is not exclusive to exposure to nuts, although
lately the posts to the net have been making my eyes itchy and
red and I've been a little short of breath.
Even shaking hands with
>someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
>enough to cause death! Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do.
No one is disputing that. Go ahead, do what almost every other
person on the planet does: live with it. I've got allergies, my
sister has allergies. We've never run for cover just because
our bodies react a little differently. We learned to *cope*.
Case in point: April was Pollen Month in North Carolina. While
the pine pollen is annoying at the very least, the oak pollen
drives most people pretty fucking crazy around here. My head was clogged
up with gallons of snot for a coupla days and life was miserable.
But did I go out protesting and begging the locals to Burn The
Trees! No, I did not. I took a decongestant, felt like shit,
and went on with life. Yes, I'm a Tough Auld Phart[tm].
Are
>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>choosing is considered weak? We're not just talking about an bit of
>asthma here.
No, some of us are acting like responsible adults while others are
flailing about, ga-nashing their widdle toofies in horror that the
world will not spin in their direction just cuz they want it to.
Tough noogies.
I think the airline concerned should be named, so that
>anyone who feels so inclined *can* register their disappointment about
>their consideration for their fare-paying passengers.
Do kids under 12 still fly free? If so, then it's not a "fare-
paying passenger". But let's not get into a semantics war here,
ok? Look, while you're at it, why not have everyone protest to
every airline in the world. You know: cover your bases. There's
bound to be something about each one that you don't like.
It's really pretty damned simple: either figure that you ain't gonna
do everything you wanna do until the sprog is outa da house or
learn to live in an imperfect world. Put a respirator mask on
the kid and go. Or they can stay home in their sterile little
environment and become Bubble People.
Jim "just a touchy-feely kinda guy" G.
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
Jason Sullivan <jms...@osl.csc.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>In article <obrienDr...@netcom.com>,
>No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
>>
>> reduce, reuse, recycle
>>
>> abort, adopt, ???
>
>abstain.
Well, that, and 'abandon,' (received via email) are pretty good,
but I was hoping for something with a meaning that approximates
"euthanize," for a better correspondence to "recycle."
Bob O`Bob
--
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas
Fiona Swan (gx...@dial.pipex.com) wrote:
: Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
: packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
Horsefeathers. As the mother of a child with a chronic respiratory
condition I can state with some degree of accuracy that 'every other
child' is *not* allowed to take rides in pressurised airline cabins.
This is why we have what is known a Alternative Means of Transportation.
I heartily suggest the peanut-weenie parents investigate a few of them.
: we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
: child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
: choosing is considered weak? We're not just talking about an bit of
: asthma here. I think the airline concerned should be named, so that
: anyone who feels so inclined *can* register their disappointment about
: their consideration for their fare-paying passengers.
Why? Shall I sue Denver because the air is too thin for my sprog to
breathe or shall I simply do the sensible thing and remain at sea
level? Should I expect a private company, in this instance an airline,
to provide me with a specially outfitted airplane cabin with the
high humidity environment the child needs?
I'd like to know why one 'fare paying passenger' (which in all likelihood,
the child is not, since children don't pay full fare) is suddenly more
important than any of the other (full) fare-paying passengers. Or don't
they count? Peanuts aren't the issue here, the unapologetic Sense of
Entitlement is though. No one has the right to *demand* special treatment,
in fact, the parent of that child would probably be highly irate if some-
one who is vegetarian demanded that the entire plane be served salads for
lunch because they didn't wish to fly with meat.
Making a voluntary concession is one thing, and a highly gracious thing
it is, too. Should an airline choose to accomodate a specific passenger
then they can get the brownie points for being gracious. However, to
whinge because a corporation will not deviate from normal procedure is
self-centred and juvenile to an extreme. It's also pretty unrealistic.
No wonder there are so many whiney kids about these days, they're doing
no more than following the example set for them by their parents.
Deirdre
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| | |
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Mean Green Dancing Machine
In article <obrienDr...@netcom.com>,
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Jason Sullivan <jms...@osl.csc.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <obrienDr...@netcom.com>,
>>No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
>>>
>>> reduce, reuse, recycle
>>>
>>> abort, adopt, ???
>>
>>abstain.
>
>Well, that, and 'abandon,' (received via email) are pretty good,
>but I was hoping for something with a meaning that approximates
>"euthanize," for a better correspondence to "recycle."
abbatoire?
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Bradley Yearwood
In article <4n07qf$r...@Mercury.mcs.com>,
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas <fi...@MCS.COM> wrote:
>Fiona Swan (gx...@dial.pipex.com) wrote:
>: Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
>: packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>: should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do. Are
> ... Peanuts aren't the issue here, the unapologetic Sense of
>in fact, the parent of that child would probably be highly irate if some-
>one who is vegetarian demanded that the entire plane be served salads for
>lunch because they didn't wish to fly with meat.
Meat is all around us. Meat is us. (Actually, Vonnegut said it better in
Catch-22 in a nicely gruesome context: "Man is meat.") And I don't want
nothin' but meat responsible for flying the bloody airplane. Just see what
happens when you hand (oops: hand is meat) the controls of an aircraft
to a vegetable. Always fly with meat, at least until something more reliable
can be synthesized and programmed.
Demand: yes. Be denied: yes. Demand vehemently: yes. Be told to fuck off,
it's our damned airplane: most definitely. Specialized air transportation is
available available for people with all sorts of peculiar or urgent medical
needs. It's just a small matter of paying the bill. A bit of lobbying of
the appropriate Congresscritters might even fund rigorously peanut-free air
transportation for federally certified peanut allergy sufferers by taking some
money away from subsidies to peanut farmers. Now that's Entitlement.
If the kid is that damned sensitive to peanuts, I very much doubt that modern
airline interior hygiene will reduce peanut residue to a safe level. It
demonstrably fails to reduce vomit, spooge, snot, apocrine sweat, sebum,
smegma, infant byproduct, airline food, (non-US lines only) tobacco, pathogen,
and general grime residues to a non-intimate level.
Brad Yearwood b...@crl.com
Cotati, CA
Jody Sumrall
In article <obrienDr...@netcom.com>, obr...@netcom.com (No parking
EXCEPT FOR BOB) wrote:
> Jason Sullivan <jms...@osl.csc.ncsu.edu> wrote:
> >In article <obrienDr...@netcom.com>,
> >No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
> >>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
> >>
> >> reduce, reuse, recycle
> >>
> >> abort, adopt, ???
> >
> >abstain.
>
> Well, that, and 'abandon,' (received via email) are pretty good,
> but I was hoping for something with a meaning that approximates
> "euthanize," for a better correspondence to "recycle."
asphyxiate?
Jody
Bod
>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
>
> reduce, reuse, recycle
>
> abort, adopt, ???
Abduct.
--
Bod
b...@hogshead.demon.co.uk
"I have so much to do that I am going to bed" --- fortune cookie, 26:AUG:94
Kelly Fitzpatrick
James Gray (jfg...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: Do kids under 12 still fly free? If so, then it's not a "fare-
: paying passenger".
Just as background, no, they don't. Kids under *two* fly free, assuming
that they fly in their parent's lap, rather than filling a seat. Kids
under twelve get 33% off of full coach fare. This results in some mighty
*big* alleged under two year olds attempting to board, but that's a
different peeve.
Peeve: Guess what it's gonna cost to fly our three sprogs back top the
midwest to visit the Grandparents? And neither Continental nor Northwest
will let me put 'em in a steamer trunk and send 'em freight...
robert paschelke
John Novak (j...@cegt201.bradley.edu) wrote:
[ ... ]
: Is there any way to induce this syndrome?
: Christ, what a perfect execution method.
: Eat a peanut, shake hands, and <boom> some fucker you've hated for
: years keels over dead.
[ ... ]
Get a hypodermic needle, large bore, inject a peanut into a vein.
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Bradley Yearwood
In article <4n0ur7$m...@crl12.crl.com>, Bradley Yearwood <b...@crl.com> wrote:
>In article <4n07qf$r...@Mercury.mcs.com>,
>Meat is all around us. Meat is us. (Actually, Vonnegut said it better in
>Catch-22 in a nicely gruesome context: "Man is meat.") ...
Ayse Sercan
M Holmes <fo...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>: So, don't take her on a flight.
>
>Couldn't he just send her as baggage?
Or animal cargo. I know for a fact that they don't serve peanuts to the
animals in the cargo area. And they make some pretty good-sized crates
these days. My cats have one that has room for a litter box, two dishes,
and plenty of space left over for them to lie down.
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ay...@netcom.com
"When we moved to Iowa, however, we realized that
we needed professional help." --Don Baldwin
GLEN QUARNSTROM
References: <obrienDr...@netcom.com> <geoffmDq...@netcom.com> <4mt1ee>
obr...@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) asks:
> >>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
> >>
> >> reduce, reuse, recycle
> >>
> >> abort, adopt, ???
> >
> >abstain.
> Well, that, and 'abandon,' (received via email) are pretty good,
> but I was hoping for something with a meaning that approximates
> "euthanize," for a better correspondence to "recycle."
Annihilate.
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Sensei
gx...@dial.pipex.com (Fiona Swan), a real namby pamby pinko commie
faggot bastard if ever I smelled one, said:
> Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do. Are
>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>choosing is considered weak?
Who mentioned weakness? My asserting my right to eat peanuts has
nothing to do with my considering it "weak" to show humanity at
all. No, it is to do with my right to eat peanuts.
Fuck humanity; if I want to eat peanuts, I will eat them,
regardless of the risk of death to some genetically defective
brat who may happen to be in the vicinity.
Peeve: living in a world where it is trendy to show "humanity" to
anyone born defective. What with wars killing off the strong and
society's decline into cultivating the genetically unsound, we
are silting up the gene pool. About time we did a little
dredging, perhaps.
Fifi, this may come as a bit of a shock to you, but there are
people out there who don't give a fuck about other people's
problems. Indeed, there are lots of such people, and I'm one of
them. The best place to find sympathy around here is between
"shit" and "syphilis" in your dictionary.
This child's problem is hers and her parents', not mine and not
this newsgroup's. This child is _not_ normal, and _can't_ do the
things nornal three year olds can do; expecting the entire planet
to sit up and Make Alternative Lifestyle Choices to accomodate
one brat is absurd.
We all have problems. They're _ours_. Take me, for instance: I'm
short, 5'5, to be precise, and left handed. Do I insist that
supermarkets have lower shelves? No. Do I demand that people
cater for my left-handedness? No. I _deal_ with it.
They had the child, and they undertook the responsibility for its
wellbeing at the moment of conception.
>>If a peanut-rich atmosphere is dangerous
>>to your kid, then the solution is simple: don't let her breathe it.
>So, Jon, how do you stop a 3 year old from breathing? Well, perhaps
>in your case, I can guess ....
Were you born stupid or do you have to try? Either way, you're
damned good at it. The answer to your question is below; oddly
enough, it was in the very post to which you replied.
>>In short, _keep her off the plane, or buy her a respirator.
What is it with people like you, eh? Why don't you stop
contemplating your navel long enough to _read_ what I write
instead of mouthing off before your brain has had a chance to
digest it all?
>If _you_ suffered from such a condition, would you stop getting on
>with your life because other people were too shallow to allow you a
>bit of compassion?
Um, no. Yes. I don't know, because your question is ridiculous.
Next question?
Jon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I can just imagine you standing, gun in hand, over some
trembling piece of human-wreckage declaring:
"Now, while I accept that my moral framework is no more
{wiggly fingers for quote marks} valid than yours punk...."
Richard Clegg, alt.peeves.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pat Steppic
In article <julianDr...@netcom.com>,
Julian Macassey <jul...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <4mt1ee$i...@soap.news.pipex.net>,
>Fiona Swan <gx...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is, but it is
>>a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
I do know. I know quite well. Turns out I'm allergic to certain
kinds of nasty stinging six-legged thingies.
[Deleted: "Why can't seveal hundred other people forego an amenity
which they might otherwise have a right to expect, causing numerous
headaches for everyone involved so's my kid won't have to wear a
dust mask for a few hours" type of paragraph]...
As it is, I carry a syringe full of epinepherine around all the time.
Do I complain when beekepers set hives out in the orchards in Yakima
when I drive through there (as I do, frequently)? After all, how
much is it to ask that they give up on providing apples to the
public vs. putting me at grave risk of getting stung? Don't I
have just as much a right to head up to northwestern Washington
to go to the Tulip festival, to enjoy the acres and acres of
flowers? Is it too much for others to accomodate my health concerns,
by saturating the ground with pesticides rather than put me at risk?
Of course it is. My allergy. My problem. My responsibility to
be just that much more careful than my neighbors when I walk around
barefoot. Or go hiking in the mountains, or have a can of coke at
a Fourth of July barbecue, where bees and wasps congregate. Or
anywhere where a bee or wasp might be found (read: everywhere).
> Where does it say that all children are allowed to take
>trans Atantic flights?
Same place it demands that others have an obligation to make the
world as safe as possible for _me_.
In other words, nowhere.
Pat "So, is that epinepherine in your pocket, or are you just
glad to see me?" Steppic
--
"That Cat's Something
I Can't Explain"
John Novak
In <31964C...@cec.wustl.edu> Mihir Pramod Shah <mp...@cec.wustl.edu> writes:
> May we please dispense with this thread? If those who are posting
>foul-mouth language and vulgarities are doing so from alt.peeves, please
>stop, cease, and desist, or make sure you post to alt.peeves ONLY! I really
>don't come to read rec.travel.air posts to read diatribes about how we need
>to clease the gene pool of "defective people" (sounds awful Nazi-like, if you
>ask me). Rec.travel.air is NOT a forum of people's knee-jerk social rhetoric,
>so please respect me and the rest of us who really DO NOT want to see this
>trash anymore.
Unless of course _you_ just happen to agree with the knee-jerk social
rhetoric, eh Mihir? Go talk to the idiots who want to inconvenience
hundreds of passengers and an entire flight crew _for free_ just
because they think they have some imaginary rights to special
treatment.
Go talk to them about knee-jerk social rhetoric.
But bring a shovel, because they can pour it on pretty damned thick.
Mihir Pramod Shah
To all those posting to this thread on rec.travel.air and alt.peeves:
May we please dispense with this thread? If those who are posting
foul-mouth language and vulgarities are doing so from alt.peeves, please
stop, cease, and desist, or make sure you post to alt.peeves ONLY! I really
don't come to read rec.travel.air posts to read diatribes about how we need
to clease the gene pool of "defective people" (sounds awful Nazi-like, if you
ask me). Rec.travel.air is NOT a forum of people's knee-jerk social rhetoric,
so please respect me and the rest of us who really DO NOT want to see this
trash anymore.
Respectfully,
Mihir Shah
mp...@cec.wustl.edu
Mihir Pramod Shah
John Novak wrote:
>
> Unless of course _you_ just happen to agree with the knee-jerk social
> rhetoric, eh Mihir? Go talk to the idiots who want to inconvenience
> hundreds of passengers and an entire flight crew _for free_ just
> because they think they have some imaginary rights to special
> treatment.
>
> Go talk to them about knee-jerk social rhetoric.
>
> But bring a shovel, because they can pour it on pretty damned thick.
If you would have read my previous post(s), you would know that I actually
was criticizing the original poster for complaining too much that the airline
did not "accommodate" his/her child (this thread has run so long that I can't
even remember the gender of the original poster!). Please stop putting words
in my mouths...I already made my statement which, IMHO, was a lot more civilized
that the vitriolic vulgarities and gross insults that have been posted on this
thread (I can only assume because this thread has been cross-posted to alt.peeves,
a newsgroup that I now know is just a dumping ground for people's baser emotions
and grudges).
I will say it again, this time a little more firmly:
PLEASE STOP POSTING THIS GARBAGE ON THIS NEWSGROUP (REC.TRAVEL.AIR) NOW.
Either take it to alt.peeves only or don't post at all.
Thank you,
Mihir Shah
mp...@cec.wustl.edu
Ubiquitous
Roger B Jones Jr
>>Jason Sullivan <jms...@osl.csc.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB <obr...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>Hey, peevers, I'd appreciate some help with my alliteration:
>>>> reduce, reuse, recycle
>>>> abort, adopt, ???
>>Well, that, and 'abandon,' (received via email) are pretty good,
>>but I was hoping for something with a meaning that approximates
>>"euthanize," for a better correspondence to "recycle."
assassinate?
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captain of my soul." -- Ashleigh Brilliant
Prisoner TUH3F
Pat Steppic wrote:
>As it is, I carry a syringe full of epinepherine around all the time.
>Do I complain when beekepers set hives out in the orchards in Yakima
>when I drive through there (as I do, frequently)?
Bee hives in the orchards, eh?
I was on a day trip to the Saddle Mountains in western Washington, no small
coincidence that I'd been studying the Vistapro rendering of that region's
USGS topographical map for some time already. Anyway it was now time to see
the place "in the flesh" and the weather was good.
About three or four hours out, I was driving with the windows down and had
been the only car on the road for at least the last half hour. Suddenly
[or, as Jacques Cousteau would say, "suddenly"] there was this pakpakpakpak-
pakpakpakpak sound all around me. Rapidly assessing the criticality of the
situation with my innate ability to prioritize danger, I first determined it
wasn't AA flak 'cuz I wasn't flying. It wasn't gravel being tossed up by the
wheels either - no, I could see impacts on the windshield. Quickly, I raised
the driver's side window. Too late. By the time I'd exited from the cloud of
bees, a fair number of them had already entered the car. Fortunately, the
cloud was sparse (hence, not being able to see them) and their encounter with
the interior of the car proved fatal. Good thing they weren't locusts - or
lobsters - I'd've probably freaked.
Another thing I've noticed about bees is that they tend to hang around the
range [that's `Gun Club' to you ordnance-impaired folks]. I'm not surprised
that they'd build nests among the foliage and old buildings, but, I swear it,
when people start shooting, the bees come over to the line and hover around
the muzzles. It seems like they're attracted to certain powders, like AA#9.
-Dave
--
The best place to find sympathy around here is between "shit" and "syphilis"
in your dictionary. - Jon McCulloch
Dirty White Boy
In article <31968A...@cec.wustl.edu> Mihir Pramod Shah <mp...@cec.wustl.edu> writes:
>I will say it again, this time a little more firmly:
>PLEASE STOP POSTING THIS GARBAGE ON THIS NEWSGROUP (REC.TRAVEL.AIR) NOW.
Blow me, you fuckin' dothead. How very presumptuous for you to
think you possess enough importamce that your being 'firm' with
someone would be enough to make them stop doing whatever they want.
You're a nobody. You'll always be a nobody. So, you just sit there
and shut up. If I want your opinion, I'll ask. And, I didn't ask.
VJ
Joe Chew
Ran into a swarm once, on I-25 in New Mexico. I got the windows cranked
up in time to keep them out of the car, but as swarming bees are heavily
laden with pollen and honey with which to get their new home started,
they turned almost the entire windshield translucent.
Fortunately, a definite !Peeve about New Mexico is that if you have to
stick your head out the window and drive locomotive fashion until you
find a gas station with some industrial-strength bugwash, it isn't like
you're going to run into anybody...
--Joe
Kim Dyer
>I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is, but it is
>a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
>down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
>someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do.
wool so you are going to have to strip to your silk shorts so
they won't be exposed to your suit. It shall be shipped separately,
and should arrive in the next couple of days."
Kim Dyer
>>Even shaking hands with
>>someone who has recently eaten peanuts in a different room can be
>>enough to cause death! Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
>>packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
>>should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do.
in their lunch sack? Is the world supposed to come to a shrieking
halt because of her allergy?
>>we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
>>child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
>>asthma here.
food items. She carries a list, and talks to the staff at any
restaurant she visits. They accomodate her as best they can. She
does not demand they pitch all the soy flour and fumigate the place.
M Holmes
Charlie Stross (cha...@fma.com) wrote:
: Fiona Swan<gx...@dial.pipex.com> wrote
: (in article <4mt1ee$i...@soap.news.pipex.net>):
: >I don't know if any of you know what anaphylactic shock is,
: "Granny, would you like me to show you how to suck this egg?"
: > but it is
: >a allergic reaction to even the inhalation of the dust of or ingestion
: >of *any* nut which causes the entire cardio-respiratory system to shut
: >down and needs an venous injection of adrenalin and antihistaime,
: >normally within 30 second to preserve life.
: Not true.
: Systemic anaphylaxis _is_ extremely nasty -- at a minimum, if you see
: someone going into it you should call an ambulance immediately and be
: prepared to administer CPR. But it doesn't always go quite that far.
: Typically you get a huge drop in blood pressure and other symptoms of
: shock, including respiratory depression. Adrenalin (aka epinephrine,
: for the Americans reading this) helps a lot with the blood pressure,
: while some anti-histamine or other will do something about the
: trigger of the allergic reaction. But to say that this has to be
: administered within 30 seconds to preserve life is a little bit of an
: exaggeration; in most cases you've got a few minutes, and even if
: they stop breathing rescussitation measures plus adrenalin should get
: them ticking again.
Given that any trace of peanut can cause this reaction and that it's not
easy to get medical treatment on a plane and that the plane won't always
be close to soemwhere it can land in an emergency, it's not too bright a
place to take a kid with this particular problem. A cruise ship would
seem to be a better bet.
FoFP
Ayse Sercan
Mihir Pramod Shah <mp...@cec.wustl.edu> wrote:
>I will say it again, this time a little more firmly:
>
>PLEASE STOP POSTING THIS GARBAGE ON THIS NEWSGROUP (REC.TRAVEL.AIR) NOW.
>
Mihir, there's this little feature of netnews called the "Followup-to"
header. You simply point it where you want the conversation to go, and
the next person who follows up to what you say goes there automatically,
unless they change the headers.
I suggest you use it, the next time you're feeling self-righteous about
your newsgroup.
!Peeve: To my amusement, most "popular" newsreaders don't allow their
users to edit headers, and in fact don't even show them where they're
posting.
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Ayse Sercan <ay...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Mihir Pramod Shah <mp...@cec.wustl.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Either take it to alt.peeves only or don't post at all.
>!Peeve: To my amusement, most "popular" newsreaders don't allow their
>users to edit headers, and in fact don't even show them where they're
>posting.
My amusement is substantially increased when I get email from some
clueless fool I've teased, reading somewhat like:
"But I actually use NerdsCrap 3.0 on WhineDos95, which,
of course, you couldn't have known, so please, tell me
what is it about this program that I should be wary of?"
ST!P
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>"I'm sorry sir. We have a passenger who is terribly allergic to wool so you
>are going to have to strip to your silk shorts so they won't be exposed to
>your suit.
Wait- if this practice is also extended to females, I could go along with this
rule. Hell, I might even find myself suddenly allergic to wool myself. :-)
-Kenny "ah-*choo*!" Crudup
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In article <ayseDrD...@netcom.com>, Ayse Sercan <ay...@netcom.com> wrote:
>!Peeve: To my amusement, most "popular" newsreaders don't allow their
>users to edit headers, and in fact don't even show them where they're
>posting.
"Popular" among who? Spoon-fed AOL neophytes and hip "Net Cruisers?"
Who the fuck needs 'em? My amusement stems from the fact that these
"popular" newsreaders are being used by dolts who don't have an
inkling of how newsreaders work or what they're supposed to do.
drew
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idiot, but will become more obnoxious." -- Norman Yarvin
E M Richards
I heard TWA or something serves pretzels.
So SHUT UP, ALL OF YOU.
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boo...@well.sf.ca.us (E M Richards) writes:
>I heard TWA or something serves pretzels.
>So SHUT UP, ALL OF YOU.
No dice. Based upon intensive personal experience, I can say
with complete confidence that Midwest Express serves shrimp salad,
even on 1hr flights. They do not, however, do overseas flights, but
I'm sure I could arrange one for the proper ticket price. Most
companies will go out of their way for such an appreciative customer.
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In article <4na926$g...@panix2.panix.com> Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>rule. Hell, I might even find myself suddenly allergic to wool
myself. :-)
>
> -Kenny "ah-*choo*!" Crudup
Hey, lets link up for a group rate, i'm allergic to cotton...
anyone got nylon allergies?
Brian "Bubba" Martin
We are what we post...
M Holmes
Ayse Sercan (ay...@netcom.com) wrote:
: M Holmes <fo...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
: >: So, don't take her on a flight.
: >
: >Couldn't he just send her as baggage?
: Or animal cargo. I know for a fact that they don't serve peanuts to the
: animals in the cargo area. And they make some pretty good-sized crates
: these days. My cats have one that has room for a litter box, two dishes,
: and plenty of space left over for them to lie down.
Is there an in-flight movie?
FoFP
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James Gray
In article <4n76vc$q...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>,
M Holmes <fo...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Given that any trace of peanut can cause this reaction and that it's not
>easy to get medical treatment on a plane and that the plane won't always
>be close to soemwhere it can land in an emergency, it's not too bright a
>place to take a kid with this particular problem. A cruise ship would
>seem to be a better bet.
Indeed. Tis a bitch to toss a body from a pressurized cabin. Much
easier at sea.
Jim "did *I* say that?" G.
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
In article <4nfs0b$7...@news-e2c.gnn.com>, <cons...@gnn.com> wrote:
>In article <4na926$g...@panix2.panix.com> Kenneth Crudup wrote:
>>rule. Hell, I might even find myself suddenly allergic to wool
>myself. :-)
>>
>> -Kenny "ah-*choo*!" Crudup
>
>Hey, lets link up for a group rate, i'm allergic to cotton...
>anyone got nylon allergies?
>
Now, now, let's not be starting an allergy dicksize war...
Bob O`Bob
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In article <177861298BS...@msu.edu>,
2132...@msu.edu (Kim Dyer) wrote:
>It [da woolen suit] shall be shipped separately,
>and should arrive in the next couple of days."
The inifintesimal traces of peanut present in the fart of a peanut
eater could well prove equally as fatal as peanut dust.
Perhaps we could ask for Non-Farting flights as well as Non-Peanut and
Non-Smoking ones, could we not?
Jon
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cd skogsberg
Yea, let it be known that in <4mt1ee$i...@soap.news.pipex.net> the
scribe gx...@dial.pipex.com (Fiona Swan) wrote thus:
> Surely, for the sake of missing out on a
> packet of peanuts, I repeat a paltry packet of peanuts(?!), this child
> should be allowed to do what every other child is allowed to do.
*Every* other child? Wow, tell that to all those kids in Liberia and
Sudan and Somalia and Bangladesh and Iraq and everywhere else kids
aren't treated as kings. I'm sure they'd be *very* surprised if you
told them that they were allowed to go on a trip (without mind-
altering substances).
> Are
> we all so self-centred that a little humanity towards a 3 year old
> child who is affected by a condition which is not of their own
> choosing is considered weak?
Yes. Or rather, the child isn't entitled to being treated as a fucking
glass figurine because it has a defect - Hell, I have an allergy, but
I don't go out and scream at people because they won't cut down the
trees.
> sen...@anglianet.co.uk (Sensei) wrote:
> >In short, _keep her off the plane, or buy her a respirator.
> If _you_ suffered from such a condition, would you stop getting on
> with your life because other people were too shallow to allow you a
> bit of compassion?
No, but I would take care and try to keep from disrupting the lives of
others, because I am not as self-centered as some people posting to
this thread seems to be.
cd
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> I heard TWA or something serves pretzels.
They have their own brand of tea.
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Pete Young
Oded Feingold wrote:
[Concerning TWA ]
> They have their own brand of tea.
Excellent. Next time I fly to the states, I'm going to make sure I
fly TWA, just so that I can ask the stewardesses if there's any chance
of some TWA tea.
Peeve: Knowing what the answer ie likely to be.
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