Donating blood
Joel K. Furr
Andy Wardley <a...@dsbc.icl.co.uk> wrote:
>The blood bank keep hassling me to donate more because (according to
>them), I have a very rare blood type, AB. "What do you want, blood?"
>I shout down the 'phone (I like that joke). "Ha ha, sir, I haven't
>heard that one before.", the blood-chap says (or would if this had
>actually happened and wasn't just a literary embellishment)
>
>Anyway, I thought the rare blood thing was what they said to everyone.
>I didn't realise I really was *special*.
Speaking of being *special*, I _can't_ give blood. I have hemoglobin C, a
hereditary and not particularly dangerous blood disorder which leaves me
permanently anemic. The subvariety of hemoglobin C which I have basically
means that my red cells don't live as long and can't carry as much oxygen,
so the blood bank people won't take my blood.
ObPeeve: Getting told that I'm selfish because I've never given blood.
I've been around people who have gallon pins on who flat out refuse to
believe me when I tell them that I can't give blood and why. "I'm
anemic," I say. "Bullshit," they say. "Take iron." Iron does nothing
for a genetic condition, you twarfs.
ObReallyPeeve: The time my dorm at the University of Georgia was having a
competition among all the halls and floors to see which floor could give
the most blood, total, and which could get the highest percentage of
residents donating. I was the person who lost the latter competition for
our hall and thus we didn't get the big prize, a free party with all the
pizza and soda we could consume. I was on the verge of going and getting
a letter from my former pediatrician to show the people who glared at me
in the hall.
ObSortaPeeve: Never getting free cookies and soda from the cute chicks
running the recovery table.
Joel "I was a teenage genetic freak" Furr
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Joe DiMaggio
: ObPeeve: Getting told that I'm selfish because I've never given blood.
: I've been around people who have gallon pins on who flat out refuse to
: believe me when I tell them that I can't give blood and why. "I'm
: anemic," I say. "Bullshit," they say. "Take iron." Iron does nothing
: for a genetic condition, you twarfs.
ObSolution: Lie. Say "I can't give blood. I've had hepatitis."
Joe D
"or malaria, which gives you an opportunity to creatively bullshit about how
you caught it while in the African jungles serving in an elite mercenary
unit fighting Communist insurgents"
Kim Dyer
>I've been around people who have gallon pins on who flat out refuse to
>believe me when I tell them that I can't give blood and why. "I'm
>anemic," I say. "Bullshit," they say. "Take iron." Iron does nothing
>for a genetic condition, you twarfs.
(YOURS, obviously, is legit. As as many people's excuses.) If
someone has a legit excuse, such as yours, I sometimes ask if they
want to *help* instead. Lots of them never thought of that, and it
makes 'em feel like they are still contributing. (Doesn't take any
special knowledge to pass out juice.) I don't even mind the people
who admit to being scared. The only people who make ME nuts are the
ones coming up with things like "can't man ... took an asperin this
morning and you can't be on drugs".And yes, I've really heard that
one.
>ObReallyPeeve: The time my dorm at the University of Georgia was having a
>competition among all the halls and floors to see which floor could give
>the most blood, total, and which could get the highest percentage of
>residents donating. I was the person who lost the latter competition for
>our hall and thus we didn't get the big prize, a free party with all the
>pizza and soda we could consume. I was on the verge of going and getting
>a letter from my former pediatrician to show the people who glared at me
>in the hall.
any sort of prize with a drive. I also include all the volunteers. Takes
alot of them to make the drive go smoothly. Keeps people with legit reasons
for not giving from being hosed.
>ObSortaPeeve: Never getting free cookies and soda from the cute chicks
>running the recovery table.
DaveHatunen
Or HIV. Just think of the stories you can make up.
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Joel K. Furr
>I run a blood drive every year. I've heard some incredible excuses.
>(YOURS, obviously, is legit. As as many people's excuses.) If
>someone has a legit excuse, such as yours, I sometimes ask if they
>want to *help* instead.
No one ever asked me. Of course, since the blood drives everywhere I've
lived have been run by groups such as the honor fraternity at Georgia, I
haven't always been *eligible* to help. If I can find anyone here in the
Triangle who needs help running blood drives, I'd be happy to help.
>Did they count people who tried but were turned down? I do when I run
>any sort of prize with a drive. I also include all the volunteers. Takes
>alot of them to make the drive go smoothly. Keeps people with legit reasons
>for not giving from being hosed.
No, they didn't count people who tried but were turned down as I was the
only one who didn't donate on my hall and they didn't give us full credit.
Of course, knowing that I'd be turned down, I never bothered to even try.
>>ObSortaPeeve: Never getting free cookies and soda from the cute chicks
>>running the recovery table.
>
>So be the cute GUY walking girls about to swoon to the cookie table.
You have seen my .gif, right? :)
Joel "Followups to alt.fan.joel-furr and sci.med" Furr
Marie Moore
|> Did they count people who tried but were turned down?
One of the tackiest blood-drive related things I've ever seen
was the handing out of "I tried to give blood" stickers to
those who (for whatever reason) couldn't give blood. This
was at a blood drive at the offices of a company I used to work for.
This was fairly early on when people were truly hysterical about AIDS,
and some people reported being looked at like suspicious characters
because they were rejected. Why not just stamp 'REJECT' on the forehead?
Talk about a good intention gone awry!
|>
|> >ObSortaPeeve: Never getting free cookies and soda from the cute chicks
|> >running the recovery table.
|>
|> So be the cute GUY walking girls about to swoon to the cookie table.
Somebody CUTE (of any gender) was giving out cookies and soda?
Where? I thought this job was only available to hatchet-faced
Nurse Ratchet types. I've never seen anyone in this role who
came close to cute!
BTW, I've gotten turned down by blood banks for having
semi-rare blood (b-). The first time I ever gave blood--which
was when I found out what my blood type is--was when that airplane
hit the bridge in DC (I live in northern VA). They did take
it that night. However, many other times that I've tried to donate,
I've been told that they prefer to keep rare (or at least medium-rare)
blood in the potential donor's veins, to be on call for emergencies.
I've only been called for one emergency in 12 years, so I kinda
doubt this alleged policy. Anybody else have this experience? I
would expect that if there were some other reason for my blood
to be unacceptable, the good folks at the blood bank would just
tell me, as they did once when I was temporarily anemic.
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Deirdre Sholto-Douglas
: I've been told, however, that AB (which seems like a fitting blood type
: for me to have, since people sometimes call me Ab for short) is the
: Universal Acceptor, like O Positive (my husband's blood type) is the
: Universal Donor.
O-negative is the Universal donor. O-positive blood can be given to
anyone else with positive blood, but not to someone who's blood type is
negative. All 'O' means, by the way, is that one has neither the 'A' or
the 'B' isoagglutinogen in one's blood. It's a null blood type.
It doesn't start to get *really* interesting until one runs across someone
genetically 'B' but functionally 'O'. Better living through genetic
obfuscation!
Yeah, I know. Fussy, fussy.
Deirdre
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Abby Franquemont-Guillory
Joel K. Furr <jf...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
>In article <CtHL2...@dsbc.icl.co.uk>,
>Andy Wardley <a...@dsbc.icl.co.uk> wrote:
>>The blood bank keep hassling me to donate more because (according to
>>them), I have a very rare blood type, AB. "What do you want, blood?"
>>I shout down the 'phone (I like that joke). "Ha ha, sir, I haven't
>>heard that one before.", the blood-chap says (or would if this had
>>actually happened and wasn't just a literary embellishment)
>>
>>Anyway, I thought the rare blood thing was what they said to everyone.
>>I didn't realise I really was *special*.
>
>Speaking of being *special*, I _can't_ give blood. I have hemoglobin C, a
>hereditary and not particularly dangerous blood disorder which leaves me
>permanently anemic. The subvariety of hemoglobin C which I have basically
>means that my red cells don't live as long and can't carry as much oxygen,
>so the blood bank people won't take my blood.
And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
I've been told, however, that AB (which seems like a fitting blood type
for me to have, since people sometimes call me Ab for short) is the
Universal Acceptor, like O Positive (my husband's blood type) is the
Universal Donor.
I've also been told that I could certainly give blood, but they'd only
have to trhow it away, so I might as well keep it.
>
>ObPeeve: Getting told that I'm selfish because I've never given blood.
>I've been around people who have gallon pins on who flat out refuse to
>believe me when I tell them that I can't give blood and why. "I'm
>anemic," I say. "Bullshit," they say. "Take iron." Iron does nothing
>for a genetic condition, you twarfs.
>
And then they look down on me for having had hepatitis. I hate it when
they have blood drives at the office and I'm the only person who doesn't
give blood and everyone thinks I'm some kind of cruel and unusual person
who cares not for the poor innocent people out there in need of
transfusions of AB blood (which, if it really is the universal acceptor,
why should it matter if I donate or don't???). Or they think I'm just a
wimp, or that there should be something I can do about it.
What really got me was when I checked the "Yes, I'll be an organ donor"
spot on my drivers' license renewal form, and ROBI (Regional Organ Bank
of Illinois) actually sent me a rejection letter, while my husband got a
thanks.
I wonder if they'd let me donate my body to science in case I died, or if
they'd reject it too, for being weird and once hepatitic.
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Abby Franquemont-Guillory
Hey, that's not far off the true story of how I caught hepatitits....
except it was the Andes mountains of Peru, and I was the second-youngest
member of an elite anthropological team which was at the time building a
public john & keeping it clean.
Abby's Favorite Peeve: How I can't sell my life story to anyone who wants
to make a movie, because no one would be able to suspend their disbelief
long enough. Even grade school teachers called my parents to tel them
that I was a pathological liar, making up all kinds of ridiculous stories
that couldn't possibly be true.... but they were. *sigh*... People will
believe ONE part, occasionally two segments of my life, but hardly ever
more than that. But I have proof.
Stan Wojiechowitz
Deirdre Sholto-Douglas <fi...@MCS.COM> wrote:
>O-negative is the Universal donor. O-positive blood can be given to
>anyone else with positive blood, but not to someone who's blood type is
>negative. All 'O' means, by the way, is that one has neither the 'A' or
>the 'B' isoagglutinogen...
Say... didn't Steve Landesberg play your character on _Barney Miller_?
-Dave
JAM
>From: jo...@bga.com (Joe DiMaggio)
>Subject: Re: Donating blood
>Date: 25 Jul 1994 17:59:35 GMT
>Joel K. Furr (jf...@acpub.duke.edu) spake thusly:
>: ObPeeve: Getting told that I'm selfish because I've never given blood.
>: I've been around people who have gallon pins on who flat out refuse to
>: believe me when I tell them that I can't give blood and why. "I'm
>: anemic," I say. "Bullshit," they say. "Take iron." Iron does nothing
>: for a genetic condition, you twarfs.
>ObSolution: Lie. Say "I can't give blood. I've had hepatitis."
ObBetterSolution: Better lie. Tell them you spent time in Haiti building
medical clinics for the starving, AIDS-ridden population.
ObPeeveByProxy: A friend actually performed the above construction several
times and was not notified in advance that he'd never be able to donate blood
in the US again. He's the sort that would donate regularly if he could.
Jim "'A' negative" Mooney
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:
: And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
: carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
: infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
Antibodies cannot cause a disease. I don't why if they reject people
who have had hepatitis. After all, it was just an inflamation of the
liver - and can be caused by a number of different things, including
a virus.
: I've been told, however, that AB (which seems like a fitting blood type
: for me to have, since people sometimes call me Ab for short) is the
: Universal Acceptor, like O Positive (my husband's blood type) is the
: Universal Donor.
Close. If you are AB+, then you are considered a universal recipient,
although that is not totally true, as there are other antigens. And,
O- is the universal donor, not O+.
Bill
Mary Margaret Schuck
>
>: ObPeeve: Getting told that I'm selfish because I've never given blood.
>: I've been around people who have gallon pins on who flat out refuse to
>: believe me when I tell them that I can't give blood and why. "I'm
>: anemic," I say. "Bullshit," they say. "Take iron." Iron does nothing
>: for a genetic condition, you twarfs.
>ObSolution: Lie. Say "I can't give blood. I've had hepatitis."
is to have had a false positive on their screening test and you can
never donate again, even if the confirmatory testing clearly shows
that it was a false positive.
Does the US do it this way too? Speaking personally, it was quite
disappointing to be told that even though it was their test that had
failed, I could never donate again. I understand the legal and PR
implications of allowing donations from people who have tested
positive, but it still seems somewhat silly.
Mary Margaret.
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Abby Franquemont-Guillory
bill nelson <bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> wrote:
>abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
>:
>: And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
>: blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
>: carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
>: infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
>
>Antibodies cannot cause a disease. I don't why if they reject people
>who have had hepatitis. After all, it was just an inflamation of the
>liver - and can be caused by a number of different things, including
>a virus.
So then why is my blood no good? Or my organs? Do you think it's
personal? I have always been told someone could get hepatitis if they
got my blood in a transfusion. What, then, are the things that linger
that can cause disease, you know, those whatsits that people carry after
they've had something...;-)
>
>: I've been told, however, that AB (which seems like a fitting blood type
>: for me to have, since people sometimes call me Ab for short) is the
>: Universal Acceptor, like O Positive (my husband's blood type) is the
>: Universal Donor.
>
>Close. If you are AB+, then you are considered a universal recipient,
>although that is not totally true, as there are other antigens. And,
>O- is the universal donor, not O+.
>
>Bill
Checking back upon my files, turns out it is indeed AB+ and that's why
I've been told what I have then, I guess. Geeze. I also have some RH
thing that didn't jive with the RH thing my mom has, when I was born...
but I don't see how that would have anything to do with the constant
rejection of my blood. *sigh*.
Well, at least barring the "other antigens" you mention, I don't have to
be too picky about the blood type thing if I need any. Guess I'll count
my blessings.
Lola Cosworth
Mark Nowak <ma...@ssd.comm.mot.com> wrote:
>As an AB Positive, I can say that I am a Universal Acceptor. AB Negative is
>not. Receiving Rh Postive blood if you're negative is not a good thing.
>And O negatives are Universal Donors -- not O positives. Being A, B or Rh
>positive means you have those factors in your blood.
Wasn't Adolf Hitler Rh positive? Wasn't Rh+ one of the prerequisites for
membership in the Nazi party?
lc
Wiley Sanders
Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
>
>Hey, that's not far off the true story of how I caught hepatitits....
>except it was the Andes mountains of Peru, and I was the second-youngest
>member of an elite anthropological team which was at the time building a
>public john & keeping it clean.
>
In article <313psr$c...@xochi.tezcat.com> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
>
>And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
>blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
>carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
>infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
So you were part of an elite team formed to clean out toilets in the
Andes as a small child! So was I! What a coincidence! Only I grew up to
be a famous male supermodel and Unix expert! Yet now my life is reduced
to a drab existence, helping users who can't rememeber their password,
or can't access the Shumacher-Levy/Jupiter collision Mosaic home page.
How I yearn for those smelly days, among the llamas and gentle
inhabitants of the altiplano I once called home... now I have only
a.f.u. to keep me company as my meager existence (or for you Brits, my
meagre existence) drags on from day to day...
-w
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Abby Franquemont-Guillory <abb...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>In article <1994Jul27....@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>,
>bill nelson <bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> wrote:
>>Antibodies cannot cause a disease. I don't why if they reject people
>>who have had hepatitis. After all, it was just an inflamation of the
>>liver - and can be caused by a number of different things, including
>>a virus.
>
>So then why is my blood no good? Or my organs? Do you think it's
>personal? I have always been told someone could get hepatitis if they
>got my blood in a transfusion. What, then, are the things that linger
>that can cause disease, you know, those whatsits that people carry after
>they've had something...;-)
I'm not doctor, but my impression is that the hepatitis virus is never
completely eradicated, but lives on in your body, and in particular your
liver. There are other viruses like this too, I believe.
RNA
Derek Tearne
>
>Antibodies cannot cause a disease. I don't why if they reject people
>who have had hepatitis. After all, it was just an inflamation of the
>liver - and can be caused by a number of different things, including
>a virus.
There are several different types of hepatitis, depending on which one
you have/had they will either reject your blood for six months
or forever. A friend of mine has a rare blood type and she was concerned
about her eligibility for giving blood after having hepatitis. Apparently
she would be rejected until a year after having contracted whichever
letter hep she had.
They also wanted to know the extent of my relationship to the woman
in question.
Derek "Just social...she's engaged to a good friend of mine" Tearne
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Helge Moulding
: ObSortaPeeve: Never getting free cookies and soda from the cute chicks
: running the recovery table.
I rarely see cute chicks running the recovery table... Although occasionally
there is a grandmotherly type, which can be ok ("Have some more juice, love,
you wouldn't want to faint on your way back to work."). When there is a cute
chick, she's likely chatting up some handsome dude, and ignoring the benfits
of experience and mellowing effects of fine aging...
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Joe DiMaggio
: In article <313q5t$c...@xochi.tezcat.com> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby
: Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
: >
: >Hey, that's not far off the true story of how I caught hepatitits....
: >except it was the Andes mountains of Peru, and I was the second-youngest
: >member of an elite anthropological team which was at the time building a
: >public john & keeping it clean.
: >
: THEN, ONLY HOURS LATER,
: In article <313psr$c...@xochi.tezcat.com> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
: >
: >And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
: >blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
: >carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
: >infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
: So you were part of an elite team formed to clean out toilets in the
: Andes as a small child! So was I! What a coincidence! Only I grew up to
: be a famous male supermodel and Unix expert! Yet now my life is reduced
: to a drab existence, helping users who can't rememeber their password,
: or can't access the Shumacher-Levy/Jupiter collision Mosaic home page.
: How I yearn for those smelly days, among the llamas and gentle
: inhabitants of the altiplano I once called home... now I have only
: a.f.u. to keep me company as my meager existence (or for you Brits, my
: meagre existence) drags on from day to day...
Now now. The way I read it was that she was in the Andes as a small child
(second YOUNGEST member) with her parents (Peace Corps?) and caught
hepatitis. Then after returning, she got in trouble at school because the
teachers thought she was lying about her Peruvian Adventures.
Joe D
"cutting some slack"
S. Mudgett aka little gator
>who admit to being scared. The only people who make ME nuts are the
>ones coming up with things like "can't man ... took an asperin this
>morning and you can't be on drugs".And yes, I've really heard that
>one.
for years my mother told me she couldn't donate blood because she has
allergies. i kept telling her they'd take her blood anyway but she
insisted they wouldn't. but i've admitted to the same allergies and they
took my blood.
my problem is i have crummy veins. i warn them before they start that
the usual pattern is that my vein looks just fine till they get the needle
in, then it collapses. they usually assign me to their best veinsticker,
who says, "your veins look just fine", and is later sorry she said it.
most times they get a full unit out of me, but other times they barely
dirty up the collection bag before giving up.
years later i told my mom about my veins and she confessed that she had
veins like that too and wouldn't give blood becasue she was scared of having
nurses poking her multiple times.
my husband was once rejected for wimpiness, the one time he tried. the donor
center was on public display at a science museum. when the nurse touched
his arm to look at it he thought the needle was about to attack(he had
his eyes closed), and turned so pale that the nurse announced that she'd
had too many fainters that day already and told him she wouldn't
take his blood.
>
>So be the cute GUY walking girls about to swoon to the cookie table.
>
i almost swooned once-they put me back on the collection table and made
me lie down again. it was a while before they let me have cookies.
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bill nelson
:
: I'm not doctor, but my impression is that the hepatitis virus is never
: completely eradicated, but lives on in your body, and in particular your
: liver. There are other viruses like this too, I believe.
You are right, you are not a doctor. I suggest you do a bit more research,
the report back to the crowd.
Bill
Mark Nowak
>blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
>carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
>infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
This doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how you can get a disease
from antibodies.
>I've been told, however, that AB (which seems like a fitting blood type
>for me to have, since people sometimes call me Ab for short) is the
>Universal Acceptor, like O Positive (my husband's blood type) is the
>Universal Donor.
As an AB Positive, I can say that I am a Universal Acceptor. AB Negative is
not. Receiving Rh Postive blood if you're negative is not a good thing.
And O negatives are Universal Donors -- not O positives. Being A, B or Rh
positive means you have those factors in your blood.
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Camilla Cracchiolo
: In article <313psr$c...@xochi.tezcat.com> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
: >And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
: >blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
: >carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
: >infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
: This doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how you can get a disease
: from antibodies.
It's not the antibodies that are the problem. In fact, hepatitis
antibodies are what are used to make the current Hep B vaccine. However,
people with Hep B antibodies are definitely barred from donating
blood because of the risk of transmitting hepatitis itself. Only
certain antibodies indicate a recent, active infection, but if
you've got them, forget donation.
: >I've been told, however, that AB (which seems like a fitting blood type
: >for me to have, since people sometimes call me Ab for short) is the
: >Universal Acceptor, like O Positive (my husband's blood type) is the
: >Universal Donor.
I believe it's O Negative that's Universal Donor, and not O Positive.
Universal donor is kind of a misnomer: even though the blood lacks
any kind of surface proteins on the cells that would provoke a
reaction in the recipient, it still needs to be mixed with a sample
from the recipient's blood (cross matched) and observed for agglutination,
because other kinds of antibodies or surface proteins can cause
severe reactions besides blood type.
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the radio with the KC sheriff who was called in on a reported
"collegue-peeing-in-the-coffee-maker" incident. Here's the kicker--his
co-workers caught him by placing a hidden video camera in the break room.
The sheriff reported, "Oh yeah, it's pretty graphic. I mean, you can
see.... It's graphic, alright."
Anyone know any friends of friends who happen to work in the KC, MO
sheriff's office? Talk about a classic gif....
Mark "When I makes tea, I makes tea" Nunes
Doug McDonald
>Blood banks screen out donors who might have active hep for the above
>reasons, and they include all hepatitis-antibody-positive donors
Thta's not the question under discussion. That question is "why
do they refuse donors who are NEGATIVE for hepatitis antibodies".
You'll note that they refuse donations from people who blood was
erroneously found to have antibodies (for example, from having had
blood samples mixed up with somebody else.)
Doug McDonald
Dan Johnson
>ObReallyPeeve: The time my dorm at the University of Georgia was having a
>competition among all the halls and floors to see which floor could give
>the most blood, total, and which could get the highest percentage of
>residents donating. I was the person who lost the latter competition for
>our hall and thus we didn't get the big prize, a free party with all the
>pizza and soda we could consume. I was on the verge of going and getting
>a letter from my former pediatrician to show the people who glared at me
>in the hall.
At Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (my alma mater), the halls and
floors got credit for people who turned up at the blood drive but were
deferred for any reason. I guess it's unfortunate for you that they
didn't do the same at the U of G. Of course, I donated every time
anyway; you haven't seen enthusiastic recruiting unless you have O-
blood (which I knew I had even before the first time I donated blood).
In fact, I've only been turned down once: That was the time I found
out that a cold was enough reason to get rejected.
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In article <31632g$s...@xochi.tezcat.com>, abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
>>:
>>: And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
>>: blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
>>: carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
>>: infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
>>
>> [Bill Nelson clarifies:] Antibodies cannot cause a disease.[...]
>
> So then why is my blood no good? Or my organs? Do you think it's
> personal? I have always been told someone could get hepatitis if they
> got my blood in a transfusion. What, then, are the things that linger
> that can cause disease, you know, those whatsits that people carry after
> they've had something...;-)
But then:
> MJM wishes to meet short-length information on possible ancestors --
> the Jukes and the Kallikaks. What do any of you know about them
> for sure?
>
> My mother thanks you, my father thanks you...(oops, that's a Cohan, not a
> Kallikak line.)
>
>
> Mostly THE BEAR
> aka mx...@psuvm.psu.edu <Mark Lafer> () ()
> O O
> Not a By-product of Any Technology! U
> x x x
What the hell?!
Did someone decide it just wasn't *necessary* to make sense anymore?
Is there something about biology threads that seems particularly
compatible with gibberish? Are questions, by themselves, enough
evidence of confusion that they justify total nonsense as a rhetorical
technique? ("Well, they already know there's one thing I don't know
about, so I guess I'll just write like a moron.")
It can't be September yet. Sigh.
Kevin "I haven't got *time* for this - have fewer problems, please!"
T. Keith
kei...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
> :
> : And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
> : blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
> : carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
> : infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
>
> Antibodies cannot cause a disease. I don't why if they reject people
> who have had hepatitis. After all, it was just an inflamation of the
> liver - and can be caused by a number of different things, including
> a virus.
"Hepatitis" does mean "inflammation of the liver", but as a disease it
is usually caused by a virus ("viral hepatitis" is the name,
technically, to distinguish it from some other non-infectious kind).
It can be bad, causing permanent damage to the liver and other organs
(from toxins built up while the liver's function is impaired), and
death in a certain percentage of cases. Though the liver can be
inflamed by various things, anyone with "hepatitis antibodies" has had
viral hepatitis, since the antibodies are *to the virus*, not caused
by the inflammation itself.
Blood banks screen out donors who might have active hep for the above
reasons, and they include all hepatitis-antibody-positive donors
because there is no way to tell if the antibodies are from a current
or former infection (we've been over the "why don't they just take my
word for it?" thing on another thread).
Kevin "my eyes are always that color" T. Keith
kei...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
That's *one* of the questions under discussion, but not the one asked
by the poster I quoted. She has hepatitis viral antibodies. Another
poster was falsely reported positive and couldn't get the mistake
rectified, but that's another matter entirely, and another branch of
the thread. Not everyone is discussing the same point.
Kevin "(1) Read. (2) Think. (3) Post. In numerical order, please." T.
Keith
Thomas O'Donnell
>Joel K. Furr wrote,
>: ObSortaPeeve: Never getting free cookies and soda from the cute chicks
>: running the recovery table.
>
>I rarely see cute chicks running the recovery table... Although occasionally
>there is a grandmotherly type, which can be ok ("Have some more juice, love,
>you wouldn't want to faint on your way back to work."). When there is a cute
>chick, she's likely chatting up some handsome dude, and ignoring the benfits
>of experience and mellowing effects of fine aging...
>
about... And the cookies are some sort of crypto-ceramic held together with
crazy glue. And the "soda" is tang.
---
Tom "B negative" O'Donnell
Robert Ashcroft
At Stanford they give out Snickers and Dove icecream treats, and sometimes
T-shirts. They treat you pretty well.
RNA
Peeve: last time they screwed it up so bad that the never got enough
blood and my arm hurt like hell.
Mike Czaplinski
Here at AT&T, it's always members of the 'Pioneer's Club' (some kind of service
seniority organization), and it's usually big old guys named Vinnie.
Last time I tried, they couldn't get my heartrate under 100 beats per minute.
Yes, I am a bit out of shape, but I also HATE needles.....
Mike "Well I HAVE cut down on my coffee intake....I only drink 3 cups a morning
now...." Czaplinski
mcc<at>nsscmail.att.com
Maddie!
> And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
> blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
> carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
> infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
I used to give blood all the time, never had any problems or fainting,
have good veins, A+ blood, but... During a session when my college
was spending a lot of time education us on AIDS, a bunch of my
friends and I decided to get tested. None of us felt particularly
at risk, inasmuchas non-iv-using safe sex practitioners and virgins
are not exactly high-risk, and we all tested negative, so everything
was fine and we got neat colored condoms along with the orange juice
and cookies. BUT... the next time I went to give blood they asked me
if I had ever had an AIDS test (which should be an HIV test, anyway)
and I said yes, and they wouldn't take my blood on the grounds that
if I thought I was at enough risk to take a test, I obviously shouldn't
be giving my blood. Never mind that I had a good excuse -- "I wanted
to see what it is like," and fall into no high-risk category. They
just didn't want to risk it. Which I can respect, to an extent --
I understand that false negatives DO happen when the blood banks test
the blood from the little tester vial they get, but I have one BIG
problem with this: If I, a safe-sex-practicing heterosexual, an at
very low risk (which menas I am at SOME risk, although it isn't much),
can't give blood, simply becuase I HAD A TEST, when everyone else out
there gets off their butts and gets tested becuase there was that time
in Paris, or because they don't really remember 1983 that well, or
because their ex-husband might have had sex with a prostitute once or
a million other maybes, what is the blood industry going to do for
blood? They can't keep rejecting people on these grounds, can they?
And yeah, you SHOULD get tested, even if you are at practically no
risk. Even if it scares you to death. ESPECIALLY if it scares you
to death -- there's nothing like waiting a month for results,
worrying and calling yourself silly for worrying, to drive the
safe-sex/monogamy/abstinance message home!
I don't even bother the blood-bank people anymore. It scares them
too think that I've been tested. Shit, it scares me to think that
they maybe HAVEN'T been tested.
Maddie "Peeved" Boudreaux
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Lynne Sittig
> was spending a lot of time education us on AIDS, a bunch of my
> friends and I decided to get tested. None of us felt particularly
> at risk, inasmuchas non-iv-using safe sex practitioners and virgins
> are not exactly high-risk, and we all tested negative, so everything
> was fine and we got neat colored condoms along with the orange juice
> and cookies. BUT... the next time I went to give blood they asked me
> if I had ever had an AIDS test (which should be an HIV test, anyway)
> and I said yes, and they wouldn't take my blood on the grounds that
> if I thought I was at enough risk to take a test, I obviously shouldn't
> be giving my blood. Never mind that I had a good excuse -- "I wanted
> to see what it is like," and fall into no high-risk category. They
> just didn't want to risk it. Which I can respect, to an extent --
> I understand that false negatives DO happen when the blood banks test
> the blood from the little tester vial they get, but I have one BIG
> problem with this: If I, a safe-sex-practicing heterosexual, an at
> very low risk (which menas I am at SOME risk, although it isn't much),
>
Maddie:
This seems particularly silly when you consider the fact that anyone who
goes through the process of being diagnosed with a neurological disorder
or anyone who was stuck by a needle would also have gotten tested for
HIV. (My peeve is that people never seem to separate AIDS and HIV
properly!) Anyway, I was tested for HIV twice in the last six months for
both of these reasons.
That's okay --- they won't take my blood because I _might_ have MS.
(Which, of course, the HIV test was part of the "ruling out" period).
Their loss --- not mine ;-)
Lynne
jhu...@coss.fsu.edu
Angus McIntyre
s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) wrote:
>my problem is i have crummy veins.
The last time I gave blood they called me a 'slow flow'. Huh. I know
when I'm being insulted ... in future, I'll keep my blood for someone
who appreciates it. Me, for instance.
My father, who was born in Argentina, left when he was eighteen and has
lived in Britain for about the last forty years, used to give blood
regularly until they suddenly decided that his birthplace made his
blood 'tropical'. I think he eventually convinced them that the part
of Argentina where he grew up was temperate and about as much a
malarial zone as Central London ... in fact, possibly less. He
continues to give blood but says that he suspects that they wait till
he's left the building and then tip his blood straight down the sink.
A "If you want blood, you've got it." M
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Geoff Miller
(Lynne Sittig) writes:
> My peeve is that people never seem to separate AIDS and HIV properly!
Why should they? If you've got the former, it's only a matter of
time before you have the latter.
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Geoff Miller <geo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <31e58d$r...@mailer.fsu.edu> jhu...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
>(Lynne Sittig) writes:
>
>> My peeve is that people never seem to separate AIDS and HIV properly!
>
>
>Why should they? If you've got the former, it's only a matter of
>time before you have the latter.
>
an attenuated strain of HIV. Some of these folks have lived up to 13-14
years with no AIDS symptoms. They are being studied of course, since they
provide a hope that a vaccine against HIV might be developed based upon the
virus they carry.
Max
A Adams
: I used to give blood all the time, never had any problems or fainting,
: have good veins, A+ blood, but... During a session when my college
: was spending a lot of time education us on AIDS, a bunch of my
: friends and I decided to get tested. None of us felt particularly
: at risk, inasmuchas non-iv-using safe sex practitioners and virgins
: are not exactly high-risk, and we all tested negative, so everything
: was fine and we got neat colored condoms along with the orange juice
: and cookies. BUT... the next time I went to give blood they asked me
: if I had ever had an AIDS test (which should be an HIV test, anyway)
: and I said yes, and they wouldn't take my blood on the grounds that
: if I thought I was at enough risk to take a test, I obviously shouldn't
: be giving my blood. Never mind that I had a good excuse -- "I wanted
: to see what it is like," and fall into no high-risk category. They
: just didn't want to risk it. Which I can respect, to an extent --
: I understand that false negatives DO happen when the blood banks test
: the blood from the little tester vial they get, but I have one BIG
: problem with this: If I, a safe-sex-practicing heterosexual, an at
: very low risk (which menas I am at SOME risk, although it isn't much),
: can't give blood, simply becuase I HAD A TEST, when everyone else out
: there gets off their butts and gets tested becuase there was that time
: in Paris, or because they don't really remember 1983 that well, or
: because their ex-husband might have had sex with a prostitute once or
: a million other maybes, what is the blood industry going to do for
: blood? They can't keep rejecting people on these grounds, can they?
!peeve: the insurance companies watchdog in Britain just told the
Insurers they can no longer ask people if they've had a test,
they can only ask if they've tested positive. Score one for
common sense at last.
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hans f barsun
Maddie! <nsbo...@alpha.nsula.edu> wrote:
>
>And yeah, you SHOULD get tested, even if you are at practically no
>risk. Even if it scares you to death. ESPECIALLY if it scares you
>to death -- there's nothing like waiting a month for results,
>worrying and calling yourself silly for worrying, to drive the
>safe-sex/monogamy/abstinance message home!
>
AIDS talk from my wife's doc, we were told that if we were not in a high-risk
group we should NOT get tested.
-Hans
Gregory W. Froehlich
cam...@netcom.com (Camilla Cracchiolo) writes:
> : >And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
> : >blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
> : >carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
> : >infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
>
> : This doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how you can get a disease
> : from antibodies.
>
> It's not the antibodies that are the problem. In fact, hepatitis
> antibodies are what are used to make the current Hep B vaccine. However,
> people with Hep B antibodies are definitely barred from donating
> blood because of the risk of transmitting hepatitis itself. Only
> certain antibodies indicate a recent, active infection, but if
> you've got them, forget donation.
A couple of corrections/clarifications:
First, hepatitis B *antigen* is used to make Hep B vaccine. The
antigen is grown in yeast culture; formerly, it was purified from the
blood of people who were chronic hepatitis carriers. Antibodies are
used in the gamma globulin shots used for hepatitis A or for passive
immunization against hepatitis B if you're exposed.
The local blood bank does not specifically test for exposure to
hepatitis A (the kind you'd get from contaminated water). If a person
has an active hep A infection, it will be picked up by elevated liver
enzymes; if the person had such an infection in the past, it's over and
done with--hep A doesn't give you a chronic, subclinical infection.
Antibodies to hepatitis A should not preclude blood donation.
They check for chronic hep B carriers by testing for hep B surface
antigen. They test for recent hep B infection by testing for hep B
core antibody. This antibody does not carry disease, but rather
indicates that the person was recently infected and might or might not
still be infectious. They do not test for surface *antibody*, which
would indicate either (a) former hep B infection which was cleared, or
(b) immunization against hep B--in either case, not infectious. I've
got hep B surface antibody, because I was immunized; I can still donate
blood.
Blood banks also test for hepatitis C antibody; people with this
antibody can still be infectious.
------------------
Greg Froehlich, MD
White River Junction, VT
Gregory W. Froehlich
nsbo...@alpha.nsula.edu (Maddie!) writes:
> And yeah, you SHOULD get tested, even if you are at practically no
> risk. Even if it scares you to death. ESPECIALLY if it scares you
> to death -- there's nothing like waiting a month for results,
> worrying and calling yourself silly for worrying, to drive the
> safe-sex/monogamy/abstinance message home!
This is backwards: one should practice safe-sex/monogamy/abstinence in
order to remain low-risk, but the value of HIV screening in
asymptomatic, low-risk individuals is questionable. The CDC recommends
offering testing and counselling to people in high risk groups and to
people who consider themselves high risk.
> I don't even bother the blood-bank people anymore. It scares them
> too think that I've been tested.
There is a "zero tolerance" attitude towards HIV-infected blood
transfusions. If one limits acceptable units to those donated by
low-risk people, the rate of missed HIV infection is something like
4/million (don't know the latest data). If one accepts blood from
donors whose perception of their risk of HIV was above average, it is
likely that (nationwide) this "missed disaster" rate would increase.
It's not that they're scared of you; rather, if one strives for zero
errors, one must reject a lot of perfectly good donors.
> Shit, it scares me to think that
> they maybe HAVEN'T been tested.
It shouldn't scare you, unless you expect to be exposed to their blood
or bodily fluids.
King of Beasts
I'd have posted this earlier, but couldn't think of a peeve
to go with it.
WORKERS FIND OUT WHY COFFEE TASTES SO BAD
St. Joseph, Missouri
The coffee just didn't taste right, so workers at
Wire Rope of America set up a hidden camera to
try to find out why. What they found was a co-
worker using the coffee pot as a urinal.
"I just wanted to break his legs, shoot him or
whatever." said Richard Poe, a plant electrician.
Instead, Poe and his fellow factory workers turned
the videotape over to police and company officials.
Police in turn gave the tape to Buchanan County
prosecutors, who are considering bringing charges.
The man, who reportedly was feuding with other
workers, wasn't identified. He was fired.
The health of employees was probably not put at risk,
said Richard Biery, the Kansas City health director.
"A healthy person normally puts out relatively non-
infectious urine," Biery said. "But from the aesthetic
point of view, it's gross."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Peeve: Being hesitant about drinking coffe at work ever
since I read that.
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>Blood banks also test for hepatitis C antibody; people with this
>antibody can still be infectious.
>------------------
>Greg Froehlich, MD
>White River Junction, VT
And it should be noted the US was a bit behind on this...Europe and Japan
has tested for HepC for years -- the US only recently approved the HepC
test (relatively speaking) -- let's see how long it takes to isolate and
then begin testing for the [rumoured, but strongly-suspected] D, E, and F.
Helge Moulding
: [She had an HIV test and ...]
: the next time I went to give blood they asked me
: if I had ever had an AIDS test (which should be an HIV test, anyway)
Hmmmmmm.... Last time I gave blood, the questionaire had some words in
it to the effect of "did I ever donate blood to be tested for HIV."
Maybe it is different with your bloodbank, Maddie, but I think there
is a difference between "donating blood to be tested for HIV" and
just "being tested for HIV." (Didn't we talk about this about three months
ago?)
As far as risk factors are concerned, you answer a whole shitload of
questions about your lifestyle. If that doesn't determine risk factor,
I don't see that a bitty question about being tested will improve things...
--
Helge "I'm sorry, sir, but we don't take green blood today." Moulding
(Just another guy with a weird name)
Mike Weber
: In article <318o5i$h...@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU> mnu...@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU (Mark Nunes) writes:
: >Soooo.... any AFU'ers in the Kansas City, MO area? Heard an interview on
: >the radio with the KC sheriff who was called in on a reported
: >"collegue-peeing-in-the-coffee-maker" incident. Here's the kicker--his
: >co-workers caught him by placing a hidden video camera in the break room.
: Peeve: Being hesitant about drinking coffe at work ever
: since I read that.
Peeve:
I'm not too anxious to eat cole slaw after reading a similar story
(ObT).
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falling away in ragged strips." -Geoff Miller
Maddie!
> I wrote,
> : [She had an HIV test and ...]
> : the next time I went to give blood they asked me
> : if I had ever had an AIDS test (which should be an HIV test, anyway)
> : and I said yes, and they wouldn't take my blood [...]
Then, Helge Moulding sed:
> Hmmmmmm.... Last time I gave blood, the questionaire had some words in
> it to the effect of "did I ever donate blood to be tested for HIV."
Well, it WAS a while ago, but I recall the question as asking if I had
ever been tested for HIV.
> Maybe it is different with your bloodbank, Maddie, but I think there
> is a difference between "donating blood to be tested for HIV" and
> just "being tested for HIV."
Hmmm. Why would on "donate blood" to be tested for HIV? Donate usually
implies that you're GIVING something useful to someone else. Have you
donated a sofa for incineration? WHat wierd wording. What does it mean?
>(Didn't we talk about this about three months ago?)
Uh, I didn't. Of course, my news feed is funny, only lets me see
SOME stuff.
> As far as risk factors are concerned, you answer a whole shitload of
> questions about your lifestyle. If that doesn't determine risk factor,
> I don't see that a bitty question about being tested will improve things...
One would think JUST that, wouldn't one? At least, *I* did, but those
people just wouldn't listen to me! But, you know, the medical field
doesn't think women know anything anyway. They force pregnancy tests
even on women who insist thay are virgins. "How do you KNOW you haven't
had sex?" Oh, I dunno, just a guess is all...
And all you people who still stand by your belief that if you are at
"low risk" for HIV, then you're at NO risk for HIV... well, good luck
to you! *I* wouldn't have sex with someone who couldn't give me
reasonable proof that he is HIV Negative. 100% proof is impossible,
but part of staying safe is staying intelligent, and not having sex
with someone who's sexual history is questionable.
Maddie "...or, God forbid, who refuses to be tested!" Boudreaux
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Maddie! <nsbo...@alpha.nsula.edu> wrote:
>
>Hmmm. Why would on "donate blood" to be tested for HIV? Donate usually
>implies that you're GIVING something useful to someone else. Have you
>donated a sofa for incineration? WHat wierd wording. What does it mean?
>
testing and counseling was available, donated blood in order to learn
their HIV status. The last several times I've donated blood at the Red
Cross I was given a form with 2 barcodes, one which would allow them to
use my blood and the other which stated that I did not want them to use
my blood. I could then choose (in privacy) which barcode was appropriate
for me.
Why would a person go to all this trouble to "donate" blood if they
didn't want it used? One possible answer is a company-wide blood drive:
you suspect you might be at risk, but don't want to appear that way to
your co-workers or boss, so you proceed to donate blood....and then
choose the "No" barcode.
>> As far as risk factors are concerned, you answer a whole shitload of
>> questions about your lifestyle. If that doesn't determine risk factor,
>> I don't see that a bitty question about being tested will improve things...
>
>One would think JUST that, wouldn't one? At least, *I* did, but those
>people just wouldn't listen to me!
One reason these questions aren't reliable is that they depend on honest
responses: hence, a man who has shared IV needles or has had sex with
another man might simply lie when asked. The barcode
then allows a way for that person to give the appearance of helping out,
while one hopes that he has the decency to deny the use of the blood.
Steve "of course, this is just for those who think HIV causes AIDS" Jones
Paul Tomblin
In a previous article, nsbo...@alpha.nsula.edu (Maddie!) said:
>
>Hmmm. Why would on "donate blood" to be tested for HIV? Donate usually
>implies that you're GIVING something useful to someone else. Have you
>donated a sofa for incineration? WHat wierd wording. What does it mean?
Well, being made single in the 90s, after being totally monogamous through
the latter half of the 80s, and almost celibate before then, I find myself
being asked every now and then if I'm "clean". I find having a blood donor
card showing regular donations works reasonably well. So I imagine that you
could almost say that I was "donating blood in order to have a free HIV
test".
Paul "will donate blood for donuts immediately, and sex in the longer term"
Tomblin
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Jodi Giannini
>In <31j9vu$4...@hydra.unm.edu>, hans f barsun writes:
>> Now that's funny; when getting the mandatory pre-hitching
>>AIDS talk from my wife's doc, we were told that if we were not in a high-risk
>>group we should NOT get tested.
>>
>i feel so old-back in 1980 when i got married all we had was a mandatory
>blood test for syphilis and german measles.
>--
>-- little gator aka s. mudgett email: s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us
>-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
When I got married last year, we didn't need a blood test at all.
Of course, marriage is a bit of an acid test, in itself.
We were married in Prince George's County, in Maryland.
Jodi 'Gooooin to the chaaaapel...' G.
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Mary Margaret Schuck
Gregory W. Froehlich <Gregory.W...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
>A couple of corrections/clarifications:
>
>They check for chronic hep B carriers by testing for hep B surface
>antigen. They test for recent hep B infection by testing for hep B
>core antibody. This antibody does not carry disease, but rather
>indicates that the person was recently infected and might or might not
>still be infectious. They do not test for surface *antibody*, which
>would indicate either (a) former hep B infection which was cleared, or
>(b) immunization against hep B--in either case, not infectious. I've
>got hep B surface antibody, because I was immunized; I can still donate
>blood.
Just for the record:
In Canada, the screening test is for hep B surface antigen. I.e.,
when you donate, one of those little tubes is tested for that. If
they find any, a sample is sent to their headquarters in Ottawa for
confirmatory testing for both surface and core antibodies.
Here, a positive test result on any of the three bars you for life
from donating blood. I know, I got a false positive on the screening
test--even though the confirmatory testing came back completely
negative, in Canada it's illegal to use blood for transfusions that has
ever tested positive in any way for hep B.
Mary Margaret.
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S. Mudgett aka little gator
> Now that's funny; when getting the mandatory pre-hitching
>AIDS talk from my wife's doc, we were told that if we were not in a high-risk
>group we should NOT get tested.
>
Steve Boyd
>
>
>> I wrote,
>> : [She had an HIV test and ...]
>> : the next time I went to give blood they asked me
>> : if I had ever had an AIDS test (which should be an HIV test, anyway)
>> : and I said yes, and they wouldn't take my blood [...]
>
>Then, Helge Moulding sed:
>> Hmmmmmm.... Last time I gave blood, the questionaire had some words in
>> it to the effect of "did I ever donate blood to be tested for HIV."
>
>Well, it WAS a while ago, but I recall the question as asking if I had
>ever been tested for HIV.
>
>> Maybe it is different with your bloodbank, Maddie, but I think there
>> is a difference between "donating blood to be tested for HIV" and
>> just "being tested for HIV."
>
>Hmmm. Why would on "donate blood" to be tested for HIV? Donate usually
>implies that you're GIVING something useful to someone else. Have you
>donated a sofa for incineration? WHat wierd wording. What does it mean?
ever given blood because you thought you might be HIV positive,
but were scaredto go to/ were unable to go to a doctor who could
perform a HIV test, and so decided to go to the Red Cross, to see if
you had in fact caught it?" It's also a lot shorter their way. :>
Steve
Paul Sorenson
>since I read that.
Yeah, I bet the coffee beans got pissed off too.
Tim A. Dowd
s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us wrote:
> i feel so old-back in 1980 when i got married all we had was a mandatory
> blood test for syphilis and german measles.
Perhaps this'll make you feel young again: they test for the same
things in Cafilnora (as of 1993). And the Rubella test is only for
women. No test for HIV or any kind of Hepatitis. It's part of the whole
ritual, I suppose. And then a kindly nurse sat down with me to explain
about sex.
Tim "When she got to the part about the peanut butter I started to
get a little nervous, I mean, we don't even _have_ a dog,
and I didn't know if the neighbo(u)rs would lend us theirs,
with or without a camcorder." Dowd
--
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Tim Reynolds
> : In article <313q5t$c...@xochi.tezcat.com> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby
> : Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
> : >
> : >Hey, that's not far off the true story of how I caught hepatitits....
> : >except it was the Andes mountains of Peru, and I was the second-youngest
> : >member of an elite anthropological team which was at the time building a
> : >public john & keeping it clean.
> : >
> : So you were part of an elite team formed to clean out toilets in the
> : Andes as a small child! So was I! What a coincidence! Only I grew up to
> : be a famous male supermodel and Unix expert! Yet now my life is reduced
> : to a drab existence, helping users who can't rememeber their password,
> : or can't access the Shumacher-Levy/Jupiter collision Mosaic home page.
> : How I yearn for those smelly days, among the llamas and gentle
> : inhabitants of the altiplano I once called home... now I have only
> : a.f.u. to keep me company as my meager existence (or for you Brits, my
> : meagre existence) drags on from day to day...
>
> Now now. The way I read it was that she was in the Andes as a small child
> (second YOUNGEST member) with her parents (Peace Corps?) and caught
> hepatitis. Then after returning, she got in trouble at school because the
> teachers thought she was lying about her Peruvian Adventures.
>
> Joe D
> "cutting some slack"
>
And to think, at university we used to canoe down the outfall.
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Tim Reynolds
bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com "bill nelson" writes:
> abb...@tezcat.com (Abby Franquemont-Guillory) writes:
> :
> : And me, I am ALL OF THE ABOVE! My blood type is AB, and I cannot give
> : blood because as a small child I had hepatitis, and my blood to this day
> : carries antibodies for hepatitis which might cause someone to become
> : infected with it were it used ina transfusion.
>
> Antibodies cannot cause a disease. I don't why if they reject people
> who have had hepatitis. After all, it was just an inflamation of the
> liver - and can be caused by a number of different things, including
> a virus.
Because although it may be possible to prove that you have antibodies to one
type of hepatitis, it doesn't prove that it was that virus that caused it and
you may therefore be a carrier for a disease that has not yet been identified:
After all it was only recently that they identified hepatitis C from those
patients with non A, non B hepatitis: Who's to say we won't soon be diagnosing
non A, non B, non C hepatitis!
Tim Reynolds
bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com "bill nelson" writes:
> r...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
> :
> : I'm not doctor, but my impression is that the hepatitis virus is never
> : completely eradicated, but lives on in your body, and in particular your
> : liver. There are other viruses like this too, I believe.
>
> You are right, you are not a doctor. I suggest you do a bit more research,
> the report back to the crowd.
>
> Bill
Actually, He's correct, at least partially, a proportion of people who get
hepatitis can become carriers: up to 25% of Far Eastern people may be carriers
for the Hep B virus; an even greater proportion of us are carriers of Herpes
viruses (chicken pox / shinles, cold sores etc.)
Robert Ashcroft
Tim Reynolds <TimR...@burton.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1994Jul28.1...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
> bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com "bill nelson" writes:
>
>> r...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>> :
>> : I'm not doctor, but my impression is that the hepatitis virus is never
>> : completely eradicated, but lives on in your body, and in particular your
>> : liver. There are other viruses like this too, I believe.
>>
>> You are right, you are not a doctor. I suggest you do a bit more research,
>> the report back to the crowd.
>>
>> Bill
>
>Actually, He's correct, at least partially, a proportion of people who get
>hepatitis can become carriers: up to 25% of Far Eastern people may be carriers
>for the Hep B virus; an even greater proportion of us are carriers of Herpes
>viruses (chicken pox / shinles, cold sores etc.)
So there! Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah!
RNA
!Peeve: Having a vague recollection pan out. The memory hasn't gone, yet.
David Filippi
Robert Ashcroft <r...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>In article <775951...@burton.demon.co.uk>,
>Tim Reynolds <TimR...@burton.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com "bill nelson" writes:
>>
>>> r...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>>> :
>>> : I'm not doctor, but my impression is that the hepatitis virus is never
>>> : completely eradicated, but lives on in your body, and in particular your
>>> : liver. There are other viruses like this too, I believe.
>>>
>>> You are right, you are not a doctor. I suggest you do a bit more research,
>>> the report back to the crowd.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>>Actually, He's correct, at least partially, a proportion of people who get
>>hepatitis can become carriers: up to 25% of Far Eastern people may be carriers
>>for the Hep B virus; an even greater proportion of us are carriers of Herpes
>>viruses (chicken pox / shinles, cold sores etc.)
>
>
>RNA
>
Somebody resuspend this man in 100% formamide.
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