Doctor Confirms ADHD Is a Myth!
Mother Henrietta Hickey
Even though he's a renegade Jew who believes the murder of precious
living fetuses is perfectly OK and who left his half-gentile youngest
sons uncircumcised, I trust most of what he says because he refuses to
admit pseudo-scientific medical fads into his diagnoses.
He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
"attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
children. All children will squirm in their seats and allow their
minds to wander at random if they aren't put on a leash and broken in
between ages two and four. Dr. Dean explained that this "disorder"
had little precedent before 1985 or thereabouts, and that it strikes
North American children almost exclusively.
I have the solution...
I hope most of you realize you're feeding your children at least
ten times more sugar than they really need in their diets. This
causes hyperactivity. A lot of you let them put extra sugar on their
already sugar-loaded Lucky Charms and Fruity Pebbles, or let them
drink a 16-ounce Coca-Cola for breakfast instead of vitamin-enriched
milk. You don't make them eat their broccoli and Brussels sprouts at
dinner and you give them chocolate desserts and snacks right, left,
and center. Give me a break, people! Even an adult would squirm
under the influence of that much sugar.
Children are also allowed to watch too much television. That
contributes to their attention deficit problems. For most parents the
TV set is the great pacifier. Wasn't it Harlan Ellison who called it
the Glass Teat over thirty years ago? Ellison may be a Godless
atheist bound for hell, but his description was apt then and now. At
least he wanted children to read instead of soak up radiation from the
appropriately named boob tube. Hypocrite that he was, he still wrote
rubbish for "The Outer Limits" and "Star Drek" when they offered him
money. See how many of his trashy books are in print now. TV keeps
kids out of your way so you can go pimp and whore yourselves in the
corporate world for extra money. That way you can afford to buy your
undisciplined, often unloved, little brats even more distractions at
Disneyland and Six Flags so you won't have to deal with their
development. All these diversions do nothing to build character or
make children educable.
Perhaps the major cause of inattentiveness is your failure as
parents to wield the rod of correction when your children need it
most. I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
They were allowed to watch certain shows on TV, mostly reruns, but
when the networks premiered unadulterated trash like "Charlie's
Angels" and "Soap" I literally pulled the plug on the set. ABC is
probably the most smutty network around, although upstart WB is trying
hard to catch up. You can thank Disney for that again. The Godless,
amoral entertainment industry wants to sink its talons into your
children, making them slaves to the mindless nonsense they broadcast.
If I had a child who wouldn't sit still in the classroom or sassed his
teachers I would sue the Disney Corporation for producing so much
filth for children and damaging their minds. What kind of role model
for children is Mickey Mouse? Mice are disgusting little vermin
anyway. Why would anybody want to glorify them?
Most doctors know there's really no such thing as ADHD. Like the
entertainment media, they want to relieve you of your hard-earned
money to hook your children on dope. People everywhere think dope is
the answer to all their problems. I heard a report on Friday night
that said the Japanese are killing themselves because they don't have
access to Prozac. What a crock! Japanese people commit suicide
because their ancient samurai code encourages it. The only difference
Prozac would make is that there would be more deaths from overdoses
and fewer from harakiri.
Ritalin doesn't help either. It only makes children more passive
so they'll watch even more TV and turn into fat, lazy, diabetic couch
potatoes before they turn thirty. Then quack doctors can charge them
megabucks for the insulin they need to stay alive. Can't you see how
you're being manipulated by the media on the one hand and by the big
dope peddlers on the other? Most doctors are controlled by
pharmaceutical companies, and those who don't push dope for Pfizer and
Squibb are quickly exiled to remote areas where they can't rip off the
rich and play golf in the toniest country clubs. They claim that
Viagra saves marriages. It only makes dirty old men more lustful and
kinky.
If you really want to make a difference in children's lives,
you'll read to them at least an hour every night, strap them into
their beds if they insist on wandering around after lights-out, and
paddle them whenever they misbehave. You'll keep them away from any
kind of dope stronger than St. Joseph's Children's Aspirin and you'll
make sure they go to church at least twice a week. You also won't
consider work an escape from your responsibilities as parents,
homemakers, and role models for your children. You single parents out
there will stop cheating your children out of the two-parent
households they deserve and get hitched up with someone to whom holy
matrimony means more than a carefree roll in the hay once a week after
the Tonight Show is over.
Jesus Loves EVEN You,
Rotten Parents That You Are!
Mother Henrietta "Holiness" Hickey
True Woman of God
Mother to Keesha, Kasha, Tisha, Tasha, Kilbert, Elijah, and Xerxes
Joni J Rathbun
On 9 Sep 2001, Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
Not even going to go down the ADD* road with you other than to tell
you the *good* doctor's timeline is a little off; he needs to do more
thorough research.
> I hope most of you realize you're feeding your children at least
> ten times more sugar than they really need in their diets. This
> causes hyperactivity.
You might want to check with the *good* doctor for up to date info
on the effect of sugar. "When sugar (glucose and sucrose) alone is given
to children, they tend to be sedated, with unchanged or even decreased
physical activity."
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1739.50032
http://www.dietitian.com/hyperactive.html
http://www.nutramed.com/children/hyperactivity.htm
http://www.eatright.org/feature/100198.html
http://www.teach.virginia.edu/curry/dept/cise/ose/information/hypersugar.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002426.htm
http://www.medicine.uiowa.edu/gcrc/highlights/webhilit/sugar.htm
http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=1589
http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/nutritionist/specificfoods/gen/0,9145,10771,00.html
There are lots of reasons to take it easy on the sugar intake but
to eliminate hyperactivity isn't one of them.
> parents to wield the rod of correction when your children need it
> most. I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
> never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
> Most doctors know there's really no such thing as ADHD. Like the
> Ritalin doesn't help either. It only makes children more passive
Your behavior is irresponsible.
> If you really want to make a difference in children's lives,
> you'll read to them at least an hour every night,
This could be the only honest thing you've ever said.
Magi D. Shepley
Magi
bunnie
Thank you for expressing what I was feeling, that will save me the time to
type it! Long live the Queen! Wouldn't you agree, for some: That it is
better to be thought a fool, then to post in a newsgroup and remove all
doubt! ? Food for thought!
"Magi D. Shepley" <ma...@concentric.catsincyberspace.net> wrote in message
news:3B9BF40F...@concentric.net...
Joe Parsons
blend of apparent moral outrage, indignation and stridency.
It's almost too bad you made your earlier fatal error of tipping your hand and
demonstrating that you really *are* in this for your own amusement. That's what
happens when you overbid your hand, as you surely did.
Be that as it may, and since there's the outside possibility that someone could
swallow some of the nonsense you spout here, I've taken the liberty of adding a
few comments.
On 9 Sep 2001 15:11:22 -0700, penic...@my-deja.com (Mother Henrietta Hickey)
wrote:
>On Friday I was listening to the Dr. Dean Edell program on my radio.
>Even though he's a renegade Jew who believes the murder of precious
>living fetuses is perfectly OK and who left his half-gentile youngest
>sons uncircumcised, I trust most of what he says because he refuses to
>admit pseudo-scientific medical fads into his diagnoses.
Of *course* not! After all--he's an opthamologist who hasn't been involved in
the practice of medicine since the late '70s. There are just so many fad
diagnoses to keep up with, when one is in the medicine biz. Happily, "Dr. Dean"
doesn't diagnose anyone any more--he's a broadcaster. And when he's not
broadcasting, he's doing organic farming and designing jewelry. Sort of an
unregenerate flower child, I think.
> He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
>"attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
Actually, he didn't. Why would you lie about such a thing? Never mind--I know
it's part of your schtick. Moving on...
>whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
>for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
>children. All children will squirm in their seats and allow their
>minds to wander at random if they aren't put on a leash and broken in
>between ages two and four. Dr. Dean explained that this "disorder"
>had little precedent before 1985 or thereabouts, and that it strikes
>North American children almost exclusively.
Let's be fair, now. The good doctor was busy with his organic farming and
jewelry making business, and trying to establish a career in radio. How could
you expect him to keep up on psychiatric disorders? I mean, after all--how
reasonable is it to expect an opthamologist-wannabe to know about Dr. Still's
diagnosis of Hyperkinetic Child Syndrome...in 1901? Or about MBD as a
recognized syndrome in the late '60s? There's only so much a guy can be current
on--and it's not like he actually has to practice medicine, y'know?
> I have the solution...
> I hope most of you realize you're feeding your children at least
>ten times more sugar than they really need in their diets. This
>causes hyperactivity. A lot of you let them put extra sugar on their
>already sugar-loaded Lucky Charms and Fruity Pebbles, or let them
>drink a 16-ounce Coca-Cola for breakfast instead of vitamin-enriched
>milk. You don't make them eat their broccoli and Brussels sprouts at
>dinner and you give them chocolate desserts and snacks right, left,
>and center. Give me a break, people! Even an adult would squirm
>under the influence of that much sugar.
I just *love* it! One paragraph of gross misconceptions, wrapped up with a
supercilious exhortation. Bravo/Brava!
> Children are also allowed to watch too much television. That
>contributes to their attention deficit problems. For most parents the
>TV set is the great pacifier. Wasn't it Harlan Ellison who called it
>the Glass Teat over thirty years ago? Ellison may be a Godless
>atheist bound for hell, but his description was apt then and now. At
>least he wanted children to read instead of soak up radiation from the
>appropriately named boob tube.
You're starting to drift a bit, old "girl..." Focus...focus...steady.
>Hypocrite that he was, he still wrote
>rubbish for "The Outer Limits" and "Star Drek" when they offered him
>money. See how many of his trashy books are in print now. TV keeps
>kids out of your way so you can go pimp and whore yourselves in the
>corporate world for extra money. That way you can afford to buy your
>undisciplined, often unloved, little brats even more distractions at
>Disneyland and Six Flags so you won't have to deal with their
>development. All these diversions do nothing to build character or
>make children educable.
Now this digression does nothing but dilute the effectiveness of the earlier
part of the troll. It's *much* better if you keep your subjects' attention
focused on a more limited scope. If I were you, I'd just leave this whole bit
out the next time you repost this. I think it would be stronger, without losing
its offensive tang.
> Perhaps the major cause of inattentiveness is your failure as
>parents to wield the rod of correction when your children need it
>most. I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
>never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
>They were allowed to watch certain shows on TV, mostly reruns, but
>when the networks premiered unadulterated trash like "Charlie's
>Angels" and "Soap" I literally pulled the plug on the set. ABC is
>probably the most smutty network around, although upstart WB is trying
>hard to catch up. You can thank Disney for that again. The Godless,
>amoral entertainment industry wants to sink its talons into your
>children, making them slaves to the mindless nonsense they broadcast.
>If I had a child who wouldn't sit still in the classroom or sassed his
>teachers I would sue the Disney Corporation for producing so much
>filth for children and damaging their minds. What kind of role model
>for children is Mickey Mouse? Mice are disgusting little vermin
>anyway. Why would anybody want to glorify them?
See, now you're going off in so many tangents, your "marks" are going to start
getting confused. Are they supposed to be outraged about ADD? About Ritalin?
About a Godless Semitic Hippie Tree Hugger Doctor? Should they immediately
spank their children? People have only so much capacity for outrage in one
single diatribe. It would be better if you gave some thought to how you might
extract the different tangents in this one post, and use them to disrupt
different conversations with different groups of people. Far more effective,
don't you agree?
> Most doctors know there's really no such thing as ADHD. Like the
Even though you've returned somewhat to your original theme, you've made the
error of saying something that can be too easily shown to be false. You should
leave it out. It will just invalidate all the hard work you've put into the
troll.
>entertainment media, they want to relieve you of your hard-earned
>money to hook your children on dope. People everywhere think dope is
>the answer to all their problems. I heard a report on Friday night
>that said the Japanese are killing themselves because they don't have
>access to Prozac. What a crock! Japanese people commit suicide
>because their ancient samurai code encourages it. The only difference
>Prozac would make is that there would be more deaths from overdoses
>and fewer from harakiri.
> Ritalin doesn't help either. It only makes children more passive
>so they'll watch even more TV and turn into fat, lazy, diabetic couch
>potatoes before they turn thirty. Then quack doctors can charge them
>megabucks for the insulin they need to stay alive. Can't you see how
>you're being manipulated by the media on the one hand and by the big
>dope peddlers on the other? Most doctors are controlled by
>pharmaceutical companies, and those who don't push dope for Pfizer and
>Squibb are quickly exiled to remote areas where they can't rip off the
>rich and play golf in the toniest country clubs. They claim that
>Viagra saves marriages. It only makes dirty old men more lustful and
>kinky.
A bit over the top, old "girl." You've lost your focus again here, and rather
than plunging people into a state of apoplectic outrage, you're just going to
confuse them. Ask any demagogue--you have to stick to just ONE issue at a time
(even the fake issues, like these ones). Otherwise, as so many wannabe
demagogues have learned, you just come off as a blowhard--as we see here.
> If you really want to make a difference in children's lives,
>you'll read to them at least an hour every night, strap them into
>their beds if they insist on wandering around after lights-out, and
>paddle them whenever they misbehave. You'll keep them away from any
>kind of dope stronger than St. Joseph's Children's Aspirin
Oh, I don't know about that--the Medical Establishment has already embarked on
their crusade to increase the sales of this potent substance, aspirin. Better
to avoid ALL medication. You don't want to line anyone's pockets, do you!
Well, that's all I have time for right now.
I certainly do hope this was helpful and illuminating.
Most sincerely,
J.M. Parsons
>and you'll
>make sure they go to church at least twice a week. You also won't
>consider work an escape from your responsibilities as parents,
>homemakers, and role models for your children. You single parents out
>there will stop cheating your children out of the two-parent
>households they deserve and get hitched up with someone to whom holy
>matrimony means more than a carefree roll in the hay once a week after
>the Tonight Show is over.
>
>
>Jesus Loves EVEN You,
>Rotten Parents That You Are!
>
>
>Mother Henrietta "Holiness" Hickey
>True Woman of God
>Mother to Keesha, Kasha, Tisha, Tasha, Kilbert, Elijah, and Xerxes
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>
> Max, I have to compliment you on a halfway decent troll. It shows a piquant
> blend of apparent moral outrage, indignation and stridency.
>
> It's almost too bad you made your earlier fatal error of tipping your hand and
> demonstrating that you really *are* in this for your own amusement. That's what
> happens when you overbid your hand, as you surely did.
>
> Be that as it may, and since there's the outside possibility that someone could
> swallow some of the nonsense you spout here, I've taken the liberty of adding a
> few comments.
>
> On 9 Sep 2001 15:11:22 -0700, penic...@my-deja.com (Mother Henrietta Hickey)
> wrote:
<snip some bait>
> > Children are also allowed to watch too much television. That
> >contributes to their attention deficit problems. For most parents the
> >TV set is the great pacifier. Wasn't it Harlan Ellison who called it
> >the Glass Teat over thirty years ago? Ellison may be a Godless
> >atheist bound for hell, but his description was apt then and now. At
> >least he wanted children to read instead of soak up radiation from the
> >appropriately named boob tube.
>
> You're starting to drift a bit, old "girl..." Focus...focus...steady.
You know this drifting, lack of focus thingy. I wouldn't want to jump to
conclusions but....
> >Hypocrite that he was, he still wrote
> >rubbish for "The Outer Limits" and "Star Drek" when they offered him
> >money. See how many of his trashy books are in print now. TV keeps
> >kids out of your way so you can go pimp and whore yourselves in the
> >corporate world for extra money. That way you can afford to buy your
> >undisciplined, often unloved, little brats even more distractions at
> >Disneyland and Six Flags so you won't have to deal with their
> >development. All these diversions do nothing to build character or
> >make children educable.
>
> Now this digression does nothing but dilute the effectiveness of the earlier
> part of the troll. It's *much* better if you keep your subjects' attention
> focused on a more limited scope. If I were you, I'd just leave this whole bit
> out the next time you repost this. I think it would be stronger, without losing
> its offensive tang.
Wandering off topic. This sounds familiar. Now what group have I read
recently where wandering off topic is business as usual?
Thinking...thinking....
> > Perhaps the major cause of inattentiveness is your failure as
> >parents to wield the rod of correction when your children need it
> >most. I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
> >never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
> >They were allowed to watch certain shows on TV, mostly reruns, but
> >when the networks premiered unadulterated trash like "Charlie's
> >Angels" and "Soap" I literally pulled the plug on the set. ABC is
> >probably the most smutty network around, although upstart WB is trying
> >hard to catch up. You can thank Disney for that again. The Godless,
> >amoral entertainment industry wants to sink its talons into your
> >children, making them slaves to the mindless nonsense they broadcast.
> >If I had a child who wouldn't sit still in the classroom or sassed his
> >teachers I would sue the Disney Corporation for producing so much
> >filth for children and damaging their minds. What kind of role model
> >for children is Mickey Mouse? Mice are disgusting little vermin
> >anyway. Why would anybody want to glorify them?
>
> See, now you're going off in so many tangents, your "marks" are going to start
> getting confused. Are they supposed to be outraged about ADD? About Ritalin?
> About a Godless Semitic Hippie Tree Hugger Doctor? Should they immediately
> spank their children? People have only so much capacity for outrage in one
> single diatribe. It would be better if you gave some thought to how you might
> extract the different tangents in this one post, and use them to disrupt
> different conversations with different groups of people. Far more effective,
> don't you agree?
Going off in many tangents! Hey, I know a group where posters routinely
go off on tangents! Can it be that Max,... Nah, couldn't be! Could it?
<snip more bait>
> > entertainment media, they want to relieve you of your hard-earned
> > money to hook your children on dope. People everywhere think dope is
> > the answer to all their problems. I heard a report on Friday night
> > that said the Japanese are killing themselves because they don't have
> > access to Prozac. What a crock! Japanese people commit suicide
> > because their ancient samurai code encourages it. The only difference
> > Prozac would make is that there would be more deaths from overdoses
> > and fewer from harakiri.
> > Ritalin doesn't help either. It only makes children more passive
> >so they'll watch even more TV and turn into fat, lazy, diabetic couch
> >potatoes before they turn thirty. Then quack doctors can charge them
> >megabucks for the insulin they need to stay alive. Can't you see how
> >you're being manipulated by the media on the one hand and by the big
> >dope peddlers on the other? Most doctors are controlled by
> >pharmaceutical companies, and those who don't push dope for Pfizer and
> >Squibb are quickly exiled to remote areas where they can't rip off the
> >rich and play golf in the toniest country clubs. They claim that
> >Viagra saves marriages. It only makes dirty old men more lustful and
> >kinky.
>
> A bit over the top, old "girl."
Oh, my gosh! I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but the *same*
newsgroup whose posters tend to wander, lose focus, go off on tangents,
just happens to have some posters who don't know when to stop once
they've started doing something. They get on a roll and just keep
rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling.
> You've lost your focus again here,
I'm beginning to suspect that Max has posted to ASAD as an subconscious
plea for help.
Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
Joe Parsons
[snip]
>> A bit over the top, old "girl."
>
>Oh, my gosh! I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but the *same*
>newsgroup whose posters tend to wander, lose focus, go off on tangents,
>just happens to have some posters who don't know when to stop once
>they've started doing something. They get on a roll and just keep
>rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling.
>
>> You've lost your focus again here,
>
>I'm beginning to suspect that Max has posted to ASAD as an subconscious
>plea for help.
Max, if you're reading this--we're here for you, buddy.
Joe Parsons
Ann
>Oh, I don't know about that--the Medical Establishment has already embarked on
>their crusade to increase the sales of this potent substance, aspirin. Better
>to avoid ALL medication. You don't want to line anyone's pockets, do you!
Now, Joe, did you forget the lesson in Troll 101? It's "The
pro-medication lobby of the Medical-Industrial Complex", dontcha know.
I think Max ought to take some lessons from fArty, huh??? ;->
--
Ann
ann...@thecia.net
Alex
Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
> He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
> "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
> whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
> for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
> children.
It is wrong. In fact the State pays parents who get their children
diagnosed with ADD.
> All children will squirm in their seats and allow their
> minds to wander at random if they aren't put on a leash and broken in
> between ages two and four.
Wrong. It is absolutely possible to discipline them at ages 6 or 7 and
later.
> Dr. Dean explained that this "disorder"
> had little precedent before 1985 or thereabouts, and that it strikes
> North American children almost exclusively.
Correct. The same is true about "Dyslexia"
"Dyslexia 2000 Apr;6(2):152-162
Is English a dyslexic language?
Spencer K. Centre for Educational Studies, University of Hull, UK.
k.a.s...@educ.hull.ac.uk
McGuinness has suggested that there 'is no diagnosis and no evidence for
any special type of reading disorder like dyslexia', and that poor
teaching accounts for low levels of English literacy performance, rather
than inherent personal deficits."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10840514&dopt=Abstract
Sorry, mam, but your understanding of the social causes of these diseases
are rather outlandish, and remedies for the problem are unlikely to be
efficient.
Alex.
Dave Knapp
Hickey) wrote:
> He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
>"attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth.
No he didn't. Lying about what Dr. Edell said is not going to give
you any credibility either here or in heaven.
-- Dave
Joni J Rathbun
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
>
>
> Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
>
> > He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
> > "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
> > whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
> > for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
> > children.
>
> It is wrong. In fact the State pays parents who get their children
> diagnosed with ADD.
>
Could you be so kind as to provide some proof of that please?
Joni J Rathbun
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Joni J Rathbun wrote:
>
> On 9 Sep 2001, Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
>
> Not even going to go down the ADD* road with you other than to tell
> you the *good* doctor's timeline is a little off; he needs to do more
> thorough research.
>
> > I hope most of you realize you're feeding your children at least
> > ten times more sugar than they really need in their diets. This
> > causes hyperactivity.
>
> You might want to check with the *good* doctor for up to date info
> on the effect of sugar. "When sugar (glucose and sucrose) alone is given
> to children, they tend to be sedated, with unchanged or even decreased
> physical activity."
>
> http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1739.50032
> http://www.dietitian.com/hyperactive.html
> http://www.nutramed.com/children/hyperactivity.htm
> http://www.eatright.org/feature/100198.html
> http://www.teach.virginia.edu/curry/dept/cise/ose/information/hypersugar.html
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002426.htm
> http://www.medicine.uiowa.edu/gcrc/highlights/webhilit/sugar.htm
> http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=1589
> http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/nutritionist/specificfoods/gen/0,9145,10771,00.html
>
> There are lots of reasons to take it easy on the sugar intake but
> to eliminate hyperactivity isn't one of them.
>
Hmm. That came out wrong! Heh. But I suspect you know what I meant....
Alex
Joni J Rathbun wrote:
"Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 1999 Jan;153(1):80-84
Changing patterns of conditions among children receiving Supplemental
Security Income disability benefits.
Perrin JM, Kuhlthau K, McLaughlin TJ, Ettner SL,
Gortmaker SL.
Department of Pediatrics, Massachusetts General Hospital,
Harvard Medical School, Boston 02114, USA.
...
CONCLUSIONS: The number of children with chronic conditions receiving SSI
benefits experienced rapid growth from 1989 to 1992. Growth was particularly
marked for children with diagnoses of asthma and ADHD."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9895004&dopt=Abstract
Am I kind enough now?
Alex.
pobo...@ix.netcom.com
>
> On Friday I was listening to the Dr. Dean Edell program on my radio.
> Even though he's a renegade Jew who believes the murder of precious
> living fetuses is perfectly OK and who left his half-gentile youngest
> sons uncircumcised, I trust most of what he says because he refuses to
> admit pseudo-scientific medical fads into his diagnoses.
> He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
> "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
> whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
> for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
> children.
I was listening to Dr. Dean Edell last Saturday night and he
claimed that low fat diets do not make you live any longer.
Take his advice for what it's worth -- nothing.
(ken)
Joni J Rathbun
Well, it seems your statement was a little misleading. If one qualifies
for SSI, then yes, ADD* is a disability for which SSI will make payments.
If, however, my children were to be diagnosed with ADD*, we wouldn't
get a cent from the state or SSI. (Which is the federal government isn't
it??)
Alex
Why would you want you kids diagnosed with ADD if you don't need the money?
Don't you want them get good education? Just discipline them.
Alex.
Joni J Rathbun
Close only counts in horse shoes.
Ded Jester
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Donna Metler
"Joni J Rathbun" <jrat...@orednet.org> wrote in message
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SSDI. If a child has multiple disabling conditions, one of which is ADHD,
then the child can get SSDI. I expect the growing rates simply have to do
with more children who otherwise qualify for SSI (income-based) and SSDI
(severe disability based) funding being diagnosed with ADD/ADHD.
Now, having said this, Behavioral disorders are sometimes funded. There have
been cases where parents have asked us to document every possible behavior
problem, because they wanted to get the child on SSDI-and often those kids
will tell you that their parents want them to be "bad" at school. Generally,
this behavior stops once the school-based social worker explains the
penalties for welfare fraud.
Mark Probert
>
>
>Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
>
>> He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
>> "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
>> whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
>> for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
>> children.
>
>It is wrong. In fact the State pays parents who get their children
>diagnosed with ADD.
If that is true, then the State owes me for thirteen years. Where can
I write for my check?
>> All children will squirm in their seats and allow their
>> minds to wander at random if they aren't put on a leash and broken in
>> between ages two and four.
>
>Wrong. It is absolutely possible to discipline them at ages 6 or 7 and
>later.
But, if they are ADHD, will that discipline be effective? And, do you
suggest beating them into submission?
>> Dr. Dean explained that this "disorder"
>> had little precedent before 1985 or thereabouts, and that it strikes
>> North American children almost exclusively.
>
>Correct. The same is true about "Dyslexia"
Not so WRT ADHD.
Mark Probert
You are wrong. The state does not pay this.
Mark Probert
>Joni J Rathbun wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
>>
>> Well, it seems your statement was a little misleading. If one qualifies
>> for SSI, then yes, ADD* is a disability for which SSI will make payments.
>> If, however, my children were to be diagnosed with ADD*, we wouldn't
>> get a cent from the state or SSI. (Which is the federal government isn't
>> it??)
>
>Why would you want you kids diagnosed with ADD if you don't need the money?
I most certainly do not need the money. However, my son does have
ADHD.
>Don't you want them get good education? Just discipline them.
Discipline is not the answer.
Mark Probert
Nope. It also counts in thermonuclear warfare.
Wyle E. Coyote
"Mother Henrietta Hickey" <penic...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Even though he's a renegade Jew who believes the murder of precious
> living fetuses is perfectly OK and who left his half-gentile youngest
> sons uncircumcised, I trust most of what he says because he refuses to
> admit pseudo-scientific medical fads into his diagnoses.
These are personal decisions, not medicla ones. Not relevent.
> He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
> "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
> whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
> for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
> children. All children will squirm in their seats and allow their
> minds to wander at random if they aren't put on a leash and broken in
> between ages two and four. Dr. Dean explained that this "disorder"
> had little precedent before 1985 or thereabouts, and that it strikes
> North American children almost exclusively.
Wrong. Some great minds (Einstein and Edison, e.g.) had ADHD.
> I have the solution...
> I hope most of you realize you're feeding your children at least
> ten times more sugar than they really need in their diets. This
> causes hyperactivity.
Unproven bullshit.
> A lot of you let them put extra sugar on their
> already sugar-loaded Lucky Charms and Fruity Pebbles, or let them
> drink a 16-ounce Coca-Cola for breakfast instead of vitamin-enriched
> milk. You don't make them eat their broccoli and Brussels sprouts at
> dinner and you give them chocolate desserts and snacks right, left,
> and center. Give me a break, people! Even an adult would squirm
> under the influence of that much sugar.
And your evidence of this is what? The body is made to metabolize sugar. I
am not saying youngsters are not getting too much sugar, only that it does
not do what you claim it does.
> Children are also allowed to watch too much television. That
> contributes to their attention deficit problems.
And your evidence for this is what?
> For most parents the
> TV set is the great pacifier. Wasn't it Harlan Ellison who called it
> the Glass Teat over thirty years ago? Ellison may be a Godless
> atheist bound for hell, but his description was apt then and now. At
> least he wanted children to read instead of soak up radiation from the
> appropriately named boob tube.
Boob tube? Are there little breasts on them that I did not notice?
> Hypocrite that he was, he still wrote
> rubbish for "The Outer Limits" and "Star Drek" when they offered him
> money. See how many of his trashy books are in print now. TV keeps
> kids out of your way so you can go pimp and whore yourselves in the
> corporate world for extra money.
Yeah. Better not work as much so kids cannot afford college.
> That way you can afford to buy your
> undisciplined, often unloved, little brats even more distractions at
> Disneyland and Six Flags so you won't have to deal with their
> development. All these diversions do nothing to build character or
> make children educable.
I am sorry, but you are off base here. Parents, spend more quality time with
their kdis than they did years ago.
> Perhaps the major cause of inattentiveness is your failure as
> parents to wield the rod of correction when your children need it
> most.
Sorry, but the evidence indicates that kids with ADHD have brains that
function differently than kids without ADHD. Blaming the parents does not
help because the parents are not at fault.
> I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
> never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
Not every kid has ADHD. About 5% do. So guess what, it does not run in your
family.
> They were allowed to watch certain shows on TV, mostly reruns, but
> when the networks premiered unadulterated trash like "Charlie's
> Angels" and "Soap" I literally pulled the plug on the set. ABC is
> probably the most smutty network around, although upstart WB is trying
> hard to catch up. You can thank Disney for that again.
Wrong. If people did not watch this trash (actually, I liked SOAP), ABC
would not air it.
> The Godless,
> amoral entertainment industry wants to sink its talons into your
> children, making them slaves to the mindless nonsense they broadcast.
No, parents letting kids watch this stuff is the problem.
> If I had a child who wouldn't sit still in the classroom or sassed his
> teachers I would sue the Disney Corporation for producing so much
> filth for children and damaging their minds.
Sue yourself for letting them watch it first.
> What kind of role model
> for children is Mickey Mouse? Mice are disgusting little vermin
> anyway. Why would anybody want to glorify them?
Then don't let your kids watch the show. DUH.
> Most doctors know there's really no such thing as ADHD.
Well there is. It is a biological condition.
> Like the
> entertainment media, they want to relieve you of your hard-earned
> money to hook your children on dope. People everywhere think dope is
> the answer to all their problems. I heard a report on Friday night
> that said the Japanese are killing themselves because they don't have
> access to Prozac. What a crock! Japanese people commit suicide
> because their ancient samurai code encourages it. The only difference
> Prozac would make is that there would be more deaths from overdoses
> and fewer from harakiri.
> Ritalin doesn't help either. It only makes children more passive
> so they'll watch even more TV and turn into fat, lazy, diabetic couch
> potatoes before they turn thirty.
Then why do kids with ADHD do better with Ritalin?
> Then quack doctors can charge them
> megabucks for the insulin they need to stay alive.
Doctors do not charge for insulin, pharmacies do. DUH.
> Can't you see how
> you're being manipulated by the media on the one hand and by the big
> dope peddlers on the other? Most doctors are controlled by
> pharmaceutical companies,
BULLSHIT. Doctors are not controled by pharm. companies. Insurance companies
have more control.
> and those who don't push dope for Pfizer and
> Squibb are quickly exiled to remote areas where they can't rip off the
> rich and play golf in the toniest country clubs.
Your illogical and lack of facts cracks me up.
> They claim that
> Viagra saves marriages. It only makes dirty old men more lustful and
> kinky.
Whatever. What does this have to do with Ritalin or ADHD? When did docs ever
claim Viagra saves marriages?
> If you really want to make a difference in children's lives,
> you'll read to them at least an hour every night, strap them into
> their beds if they insist on wandering around after lights-out, and
> paddle them whenever they misbehave.
Paddle them? Child abuse.
> You'll keep them away from any
> kind of dope stronger than St. Joseph's Children's Aspirin and you'll
> make sure they go to church at least twice a week. You also won't
> consider work an escape from your responsibilities as parents,
> homemakers, and role models for your children.
Bringing home money and working long hours is not an escape. You do not need
church to teach good values. And you hsould never, ever give aspirin to kids
unless under the guidence of a physician.
> You single parents out
> there will stop cheating your children out of the two-parent
> households they deserve and get hitched up with someone to whom holy
> matrimony means more than a carefree roll in the hay once a week after
> the Tonight Show is over.
>
Sorry, but a lot of kids have done quite well as kids of single parents.
Your moral preaching does not cut it.
>
> Jesus Loves EVEN You,
> Rotten Parents That You Are!
>
>
> Mother Henrietta "Holiness" Hickey
> True Woman of God
> Mother to Keesha, Kasha, Tisha, Tasha, Kilbert, Elijah, and Xerxes
I feel sorry for your kids. Ms. Holier than Though.
Wyle E. Coyote
"Magi D. Shepley" <ma...@concentric.catsincyberspace.net> wrote in message
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>
I agree that she is an ass. However, her knowledge base is off.
All the best,
Wyle
SumBuny4Me
"Alex" <as69...@bcm.tmc.edu> wrote in message
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> It is wrong. In fact the State pays parents who get their children
> diagnosed with ADD.
Since I have two boys dealing with ADHD, please teach me how to get some of
this "state money"!
--
Buny
----"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal." ~ Albert Camus
SumBuny4Me
"Alex" <as69...@bcm.tmc.edu> wrote in message
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> ...
> CONCLUSIONS: The number of children with chronic conditions receiving SSI
> benefits experienced rapid growth from 1989 to 1992. Growth was
particularly
> marked for children with diagnoses of asthma and ADHD."
^^^^^^
Does this mean that asthma is also an invalid diagnosis and does not exist?
Joni J Rathbun
picky, picky :P
Howard the Geoduck
[purple communist trash deleted]
This kind of stuff actually makes the medical and educational
establishments look good in comparison!
- H.T.G.
J. Clarke
says...
The three h's of close--horseshoes, hand grenades, and h-bombs.
--
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
J. Clarke
<B224716B4348E61E.97B68AC4...@lp.airnews.net>,
wyle_e_...@hotmail.com says...
<snippage>
> Wrong. Some great minds (Einstein and Edison, e.g.) had ADHD.
Not proven. They showed some symptoms. Whether they had ADHD, one of
the other conditions that produces some or all of the symptoms, or
whether this was simply a matter of their personal style cannot be
determined posthumously.
<remainder snipped>
Minor7b5
I see you're still a fan of spanking. How 'bout spanking the monkey?
Just curious,
--
Dan
*********************************
Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em
That I got no cerebellum
- Joey Ramone
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"Mother Henrietta Hickey" <penic...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> [snippy]
>
> I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
> never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
> They were allowed to watch certain shows on TV, mostly reruns, but
>
> [snappy]
Alex
> I was listening to Dr. Dean Edell last Saturday night and he
> claimed that low fat diets do not make you live any longer.
>
> Take his advice for what it's worth -- nothing.
It is worse than that. His advice might undermine sales of lots of
businesses that sell "fat free" food. But despite being that detrimental for
businesses his advice is still correct.
"As the Surgeon General's Office discovered, however, the science of dietary
fat is not nearly as simple as it once appeared. The proposition, now 50
years old, that dietary fat is a bane to health is based chiefly on the fact
that fat, specifically the hard, saturated fat found primarily in meat and
dairy products, elevates blood cholesterol levels. This in turn raises the
likelihood that cholesterol will clog arteries, a condition known as
atherosclerosis, which then increases risk of coronary artery disease,
heart attack, and untimely death. By the 1970s, each individual step of
this chain from fat to cholesterol to heart disease had been demonstrated
beyond reasonable doubt, but the veracity of the chain as a whole has never
been proven. In other words, despite decades of research, it is still a
debatable proposition whether the consumption of saturated fats above
recommended levels (step one in the chain) by anyone who's not already at
high risk of heart disease will increase the likelihood of untimely death
(outcome three). Nor have hundreds of millions of dollars in trials managed
to generate compelling evidence that healthy individuals can extend their
lives by more than a few weeks, if that, by eating less fat (see sidebar on
p. 2538). To put it simply, the data remain
ambiguous as to whether low-fat diets will benefit healthy Americans."
(Science 2001 Mar 30;291(5513):2536-2545)
Magi D. Shepley
Magi
bunnie wrote:
> All Hail *Queen Magi* !
> Thank you for expressing what I was feeling, that will save me the time to
> type it! Long live the Queen! Wouldn't you agree, for some: That it is
> better to be thought a fool, then to post in a newsgroup and remove all
> doubt! ? Food for thought!
> "Magi D. Shepley" <ma...@concentric.catsincyberspace.net> wrote in message
> news:3B9BF40F...@concentric.net...
> > Ohhhhhhh.... Thou art such a knowledgeable ass.
> >
> > > most. I spanked all my six of my now-grown children regularly and I
> > > never had a problem with attention deficit disorder or fidgeting.
> > > They were allowed to watch certain shows on TV, mostly reruns, but
Magi D. Shepley
Alex wrote:
> Mother Henrietta Hickey wrote:
>
> > He affirmed on Friday that all these claims about the so-called
> > "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth. The
> > whole "disorder" is just today's doctors' way of making parents pay
> > for their inability or unwillingness to discipline their unruly
> > children.
>
> It is wrong. In fact the State pays parents who get their children
> diagnosed with ADD.
What state? I want to move there and have lots of kids so I don't have to work anymore!
> > Dr. Dean explained that this "disorder"
> > had little precedent before 1985 or thereabouts, and that it strikes
> > North American children almost exclusively.
>
> Correct. The same is true about "Dyslexia"
>
> "Dyslexia 2000 Apr;6(2):152-162
>
> Is English a dyslexic language?
>
> Spencer K. Centre for Educational Studies, University of Hull, UK.
> k.a.s...@educ.hull.ac.uk
>
> McGuinness has suggested that there 'is no diagnosis and no evidence for
> any special type of reading disorder like dyslexia', and that poor
> teaching accounts for low levels of English literacy performance, rather
> than inherent personal deficits."
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10840514&dopt=Abstract
>
> Sorry, mam, but your understanding of the social causes of these diseases
> are rather outlandish, and remedies for the problem are unlikely to be
> efficient.
>
> Alex.
You're both full of bull. There is documentation of both ADHD and Dyslexia as far back as the 50s.
Magi
Magi D. Shepley
Magi
Magi D. Shepley
Magi
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Magi
Alex
> Gee... I dunno... maybe because I *am* disciplining them and its not working?
You are right, lack of skilled teachers might actually be a problem.
Go down to Mexico and learn how to teach and discipline children there.
Alex.
Joni J Rathbun
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
The ones in school or all the ones not in school?
Or all the ones who've immigated to the US?
Joni J Rathbun
Thank you. I *shall* remember!
Alex
> Do you even know the requirements for getting SSI, Alex?
Yes. I was quite curious about such endemic western diseases as drug abuse, prostitution, dyslexia, ADD and
the social engineering behind them. Poor parents sell their children's future for SSI, rich ones are tricked
into giving it up for free.
I think an illiterate unemployed parent doesn't care much about "science" behind ADD and doesn't read ADD
advertisments in the mass media, so he gets the money. Rich and aducated one could not be easily bribed into
betraying his child, so he is tricked by "science".
If anybody here doubts that ADD is as social as drug abuse just read the symptoms of ADD
http://www.sciam.com/1998/0998issue/0998barkleybox1.html and compare Mexican and American class. You will
immediately realize that no Mexican child has ADD and all American children have it. My daughter has ADD at
school, and both principal and teacher urged us to have her diagnosed with it, but at home she could spend
several hours in a row drawing, reading, writing, playing piano or doing math. All without supervision. She
just learned that school demands ADD, but we want good behavior and devoted work for her own future.
Alex.
bunnie
"Yellowbird" <yello...@gadgethome.net> wrote in message
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> whoever this person is, she's a mockery of my faith, and she makes me
sick!
> The Beatitudes, Fruit Of The Spirit, and 1 Corinthians 13 COMPLETELY
escapes
> her! I'm offended that she would call herself "Christian!" or human for
that
> matter!> news:3B9D36D6...@concentric.net...
Yellowbird
The Beatitudes, Fruit Of The Spirit, and 1 Corinthians 13 COMPLETELY escapes
her! I'm offended that she would call herself "Christian!" or human for that
matter!
Alex
> You're both full of bull. There is documentation of both ADHD and Dyslexia as far back as the 50s.
Maggie, you are the only shit out here. There is documentation on unicorns, dragons, griffins as far back as
thousands years ago. There are tonns of documentation "proving" inferiority of blacks as far back as 3
thousands years ago and as close to our days as 50 years ago. This kind of "documentation" is sufficient only
for Mein Kampf fans who hate children and heed only justification for their hate. Everybody else are likely to
look into the matter a bit closer.
"Psychiatrists diagnose attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) if the individual displays six or more
of the following symptoms of inattention or six or more symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsivity.
INATTENTION
Fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work or other activities
Has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities
Does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
Does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores or duties in the workplace
Has difficulty organizing tasks and activities
Avoids, dislikes or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort (such as
schoolwork)
Loses things necessary for tasks or activities (such as toys, school assignments, pencils, books or tools)
Is easily distracted by extraneous stimuli
Is forgetful in daily activities
HYPERACTIVITY AND IMPULSIVITY
Fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat
Leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected
Runs about or climbs excessively in situations in which it is inappropriate (in adolescents or adults,
subjective feelings of restlessness)
Has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly
Is "on the go" or acts as if "driven by a motor"
Talks excessively
Blurts out answers before questions have been completed
Has difficulty awaiting turns
Interrupts or intrudes on others "
There is nothing to ADHD other than "six or more of the following symptoms of inattention or six or more
symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsivity". There is no doubt that the cases of having "six or more of the
following symptoms of inattention or six or more symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsivity" were documented as
far back as 50 years ago. but it is still only what it is - laziness, lack of discipline and manners.
That is what ideologists call "ADHD", and the rest of us call "bad behavior".
We fix this problem by disciplining a child, ideologists try to make things worse and want us not to do it
and trash our children. That is what poor parents get paid for and rich ones get tricked into.
Alex.
Alex
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
>
> > "Magi D. Shepley" wrote:
> >
> > > Gee... I dunno... maybe because I *am* disciplining them and its not working?
> >
> > You are right, lack of skilled teachers might actually be a problem.
> > Go down to Mexico and learn how to teach and discipline children there.
>
> The ones in school or all the ones not in school?
You want to say that not all Mexican children go to school? How many don't?
OK, go to Cuba. South or North Korea, China, Japan. In all these countries 100% of
children go to school. Mexico just closer and your government allowes you to travel
there as opposed to Cuba or North Korea.
> Or all the ones who've immigated to the US?
Good idea. It is interesting to see how fast the immigrant's children degrade. I know
that Asians perform better than Americans for at least two generations after
immigration. Of course the Latin America is a backyard, but if not performance in
sciences and arts then at least behavior must be different.
Alex.
Yellowbird
I was threatened with a lawsuit! sooooooo, I think you can guess! I'll give
you a hint! it isn't you!
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Carol
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001, 5:50am (EDT-1) nospam_...@bellsouth.net
(Donna Metler) wrote:
<snip>
)IN addition, ADHD isn't a
)condition which, in and of
)itself, qualifies for SSDI. If
)a child has multiple disabling
)conditions, one of which is
)ADHD, then the child can get
)SSDI.
Ony if a parent is receiving Social Security Disability Income _or_
regular SS _or_ the parent is deceased and the child receives survivors
benefits.
)I expect the growing rates
)simply have to do with more
)children who otherwise qualify
)for SSI (income-based)
Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a program for the disabled and
elderly poor who cannot work and have no other sources of income. There
is a fixed federal payment monthly, some states may add to that.
)and SSDI (severe disability
)based) funding being
)diagnosed with ADD/ADHD.
SSDI is an _insurance_ program for working Americans that is
administered by the SSA. You must work a minimum of 10 years full-time
or have 40 work credits to benefit from this program. Workers pay into
this fund through payroll deductions, just as they do SS retirement
benefits. Should an employed person become disabled for a minimum of
three months, as certified by a doctor, they may be entitled to
benefits. Benefits continue as long as the working person remains
disabled, possibly permanently, until they reach retirement age, then
SSDI is converted to SS. It has nothing to do with the 'severity' of
disability, but wether the disability is so great as to prevent the
individual from working. If the worker has dependent children, the
children receive benefits as well. If they have a disabled child that
would otherwise qualify for SSI, that child can receive additional SSDI
benefits. If the disabled parent is deceased, the dependent child would
still get benefits under SSDI.
)Now, having said this,
)Behavioral disorders are
)sometimes funded. There
)have been cases where
)parents have asked us to
)document every possible
)behavior problem, because
)they wanted to get the child
)on SSDI
Unless the parent, living or deceased, is/was receiving SSDI _OR_ SS
retirement, the parent (or legal guardian, if deceased) _cannot_ get
SSDI for the child. They would _only_ be able to get SSI. The SSI would
continue to adulthood, and even beyond, if the recipient is considered
incapable of working once they reach legal age. SSDI _stops_ when the
child is an adult, SSI can continue indefinitely. If the child on SSDI
is too disabled to work, they would get SSI benefits on their own behalf
as well as the disability portion of the SSDI, but the total of the two
will not exceed what they would receive on SSI alone.
)-and often those kids will
)tell you that their parents
)want them to be "bad" at
)school. Generally, this behavior
)stops once the school-based
)social worker explains the
)penalties for welfare fraud.
This runaway train has been traveling for quite sometime, the govt. is
finally stepping in to put a stop to fraud by overhauling SSI and
putting a stop to the train.
Carol
AzMatthews
Given enough time someone could probably come up with evidence that we are
all a myth.
By the way, I do not have any ADHD kids.
Sandi
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Yellowbird
poor spirit, etc... can exacerbate the situation! I know, my husband is ADD,
I have 99% probable dx of MS, my son has chronic asthma, and he may be ADD,
we don't yet know for sure. My husbands family runs the triple gamut of ADD,
OCD, and Tourette's. I have seen Tourette's exacerbated by at the very
least, stress and fatigue, and also discord.news:3B9D7A9F...@bcm.tmc.edu...
Magi D. Shepley
Let me know the date, so I can buy the plane ticket!
Magi
Joni J Rathbun
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
> Joni J Rathbun wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
> >
> > > "Magi D. Shepley" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gee... I dunno... maybe because I *am* disciplining them and its not working?
> > >
> > > You are right, lack of skilled teachers might actually be a problem.
> > > Go down to Mexico and learn how to teach and discipline children there.
> >
> > The ones in school or all the ones not in school?
>
> You want to say that not all Mexican children go to school? How many don't?
> OK, go to Cuba. South or North Korea, China, Japan. In all these countries 100% of
> children go to school. Mexico just closer and your government allowes you to travel
> there as opposed to Cuba or North Korea.
Yes, I lived in Mexico for some time.
Nevertheless, you have proven nothing.
>
> > Or all the ones who've immigated to the US?
>
> Good idea. It is interesting to see how fast the immigrant's children degrade. I know
> that Asians perform better than Americans for at least two generations after
> immigration. Of course the Latin America is a backyard, but if not performance in
> sciences and arts then at least behavior must be different.
>
Yes, two of them, here for just a few months, drove by and killed some
boys at one of the schools in town. I suspect they're back in Mexico.
At least, I don't recall ever hearing they were captured.
ON a more serious note, I spent the last two years working with mostly
Latino elementary children. Some tend to be a bit more submissive.
But medically, they bleed just like all the other children.
Magi D. Shepley
with those children. There are those that have it, and those who have another problem: LAZY.
Magi
Magi D. Shepley
Alex wrote:
> "Magi D. Shepley" wrote:
>
> > You're both full of bull. There is documentation of both ADHD and Dyslexia as far back as the 50s.
>
> Maggie, you are the only shit out here.
Its Magi. At least spell it right, Alex.
> There is documentation on unicorns, dragons, griffins as far back as
> thousands years ago. There are tonns of documentation "proving" inferiority of blacks as far back as 3
> thousands years ago and as close to our days as 50 years ago. This kind of "documentation" is sufficient only
> for Mein Kampf fans who hate children and heed only justification for their hate. Everybody else are likely to
> look into the matter a bit closer.
Mein Kampf fans? That's funny. I'm Jewish. You're a communist atheist who REALLY thinks Stalin was a hero.
Selective snippage gets you nowhere. Go find and post the ENTIRE DSM-IV defintion.
> That is what ideologists call "ADHD", and the rest of us call "bad behavior".
> We fix this problem by disciplining a child, ideologists try to make things worse and want us not to do it
> and trash our children. That is what poor parents get paid for and rich ones get tricked into.
Discipline doesn't always work. It depends: There are kids with a serious disorder, and there are kids that are
lazy. Can you tell the difference, Alex, or should we just beat them all?
Magi
Magi D. Shepley
where there is 100% attendance of all children in schools.
Magi
SumBuny4Me
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> whoever this person is, she's a mockery of my faith, and she makes me
sick!
> The Beatitudes, Fruit Of The Spirit, and 1 Corinthians 13 COMPLETELY
escapes
> her! I'm offended that she would call herself "Christian!" or human for
that
> matter!
FWIW, I have seen all to many people who act Christian, but do not belong to
a Christian faith....and all too many who profess to be Christian who act
anything but!
--
Buny
----"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
normal." ~ Albert Camus
Christopher Eliot
>
> On Friday I was listening to the Dr. Dean Edell program on my radio.
> Even though he's a renegade Jew who believes the murder of precious
> living fetuses is perfectly OK and who left his half-gentile youngest
> sons uncircumcised, I trust most of what he says because he refuses to
> admit pseudo-scientific medical fads into his diagnoses.
All I get from this that you are an anti-semitic idiot with a radio.
Joe Parsons
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:44:47 -0700, Alex <as69...@bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
>"Magi D. Shepley" wrote:
>
>> You're both full of bull. There is documentation of both ADHD and Dyslexia as far back as the 50s.
>
>Maggie, you are the only shit out here. There is documentation on unicorns, dragons, griffins as far back as
>thousands years ago. There are tonns of documentation "proving" inferiority of blacks as far back as 3
>thousands years ago and as close to our days as 50 years ago. This kind of "documentation" is sufficient only
>for Mein Kampf fans who hate children and heed only justification for their hate. Everybody else are likely to
>look into the matter a bit closer.
>
>"Psychiatrists diagnose attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) if the individual displays six or more
>of the following symptoms of inattention or six or more symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsivity.
Golly. For some reason, you seem to have neglected to mention some of the other
criteria for ADHD. For example, this trivial little item:
Six or more of the following symptoms...have persisted
for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and
inconsistent with developmental level:
Now, why wouldn't you mention that criterion? Could it be that you know of its
existence in DSM-IV but didn't mention it because it would destroy your apparent
point? Naah...that would be dishonest, wouldn't it?
Or, or, or...you didn't know about that particular diagnostic criterion, not
having read DSM-IV, but pontificated about it from ignorance. Hmm. That
wouldn't be the action of a smart person, would it--arguing from a position of
ignorance.
Which is it--are you dishonest? Or just stupid?
[snip inaccurate and misleading paraphrase of DSM-IV]
Joe Parsons
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Michelle
> So many trolls, so few bridge fires...
>
> "Mother Henrietta Hickey" <penic...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:75d7cc7.01090...@posting.google.com...
> > On Friday I was listening to the Dr. Dean Edell program on my radio.
> > Even though he's a renegade Jew who believes the murder of precious
> > living fetuses is perfectly OK and who left his half-gentile youngest
> > sons uncircumcised, I trust most of what he says because he refuses to
> > admit pseudo-scientific medical fads into his diagnoses.
> > "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" are basically a myth.
I have 4 children, 3 who have been diagnosed with ADHD. I can see
both sides of the arguement about treatment of ADHD, and the question
as to whether it actually exists. My children are all very pleasent
children, eager to please, obedient, and extremely hyperactive, with
absolutely no attention span. Before they started Ritalin in
kindergarten, they could not do any of the work assigned to them
without someone sitting right next to them constantly telling them to
get back to work. Even though each of their classes had only 10 to 12
kids in them, the teacher and aide simply did not have time for this
the entire day. So every night a folder was sent home with incomplete
work, and we would sit at the table for 2 hours or longer doing
homework.
A small part of this was boredom. My boys learned how to read the
first day they got their hands on a reader. They are extremely bright
students, and have been in advanced classes in middle school.
Their diet wasn't the problem. Due to exteme hyper-activity,
sweetened foods and drinks, and most pre-processed foods were off
limits. Fruits and juices were their snacks.
Once the boys started on Ritalin, halfway through the school year,
they were able to do all their work in school, and still remained
extremely active at home. We provided them with a jungle gym,
trampoline, bikes, rollerblades, and three-wheelers (age 8, and only
with proper safety gear, and only when we rode with them, of course).
We had plenty of family activies, camping, canoeing, swimming, hiking,
etc. Everything was great until high school, when the Ritalin began
to be ineffective. Ninth grade (last year) was a nightmare, due to
getting used to living without the help of Ritalin, and also, to a
desire to exercise independence by breaking various laws(another
story)
My older daughter, on the other hand was diagnosed with ADHD in
kindergarten, and doctors tried everything from Ritalin to Prozac with
only bad effects. She is a slow learner, and is in special ed.
classes. I feel that she was misdiagnosed, and that she is just a
child who requires enormous amounts of attention and guidence.
My youngest daughter seems to be perfectly normal. No ADHD, no
problems in school, and no desire to get into any trouble. She
basically has raised herself, as I literally did not have time to work
with her since the other three demanded so much attention. She will
be 13 in a few weeks, and she shows the responsibility of an adult.
She does her own laundry, even though I have never asked her to, does
her homework every day immediately after school, and helps keep the
house and yardwork done without my asking.
My experience has taught me that parenting and diet are the answer for
most kids. My boys are the only two kids out of at least 10 that I
know of who took Ritalin and it worked. ADHD is real, but so are kids
that are just extremely active, and also kids who just need more
attention and guidence. Parenting technics and diet should be
studied, and modified if needed before medication is ever considered.
Michelle
Alex
> On the off chance that this is not simply yet another startlingly inept troll...
>
> Golly. For some reason, you seem to have neglected to mention some of the other
> criteria for ADHD. For example, this trivial little item:
>
> Six or more of the following symptoms...have persisted
> for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and
> inconsistent with developmental level:
>
> Now, why wouldn't you mention that criterion?
For one simple reason: if parent doesn't discipline her child "Six or more of the following symptoms" will persist
not only for "at least six months", but forever, and at some stage even the pickiest doctor will have to admit that
"that is maladaptive and inconsistent with developmental level", especially if a parent is asking for it.
Alex.
Joni J Rathbun
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
My child had a severe hearing loss. Sometimes he didn't hear directions
and, consequently, didn't follow them. I found discipline didn't work very
well. Medical help, however, made a significant difference.
Yellowbird
as for "the other probable troll", that "one" is coming from a place that I
found out on one info map anyway, that their was no data for MS, maybe ADD
as well), and here in the states, ( stupid me), was seen by two physicians
from such a "place", one being a neuro I might add, and couldn't find a
thing to dx me, and promptly both of them quickly dismissed all the sx as
"Anxiety", which any DECENT DOC knows can bean symptom in of itself, and NOT
the disease! I have since seen different physicians and had been taken much
more seriously.
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Joni J Rathbun
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Alex wrote:
PS Since you don't seem to know much about it, I thought I'd share this
with you ---> ADD and ADHD children are not always or automatically
behavior problems. Many are QUITE well behaved.
Yellowbird
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Ian N Ford
Alex wrote:
> My daughter has ADD at
> school, and both principal and teacher urged us to have her diagnosed with it, but at home she could spend
> several hours in a row drawing, reading, writing, playing piano or doing math. All without supervision. She
> just learned that school demands ADD, but we want good behavior and devoted work for her own future.
So you are saying that your child will behave at properly for her
parents but not for her teachers ? For a diagnosis of ADHD to be made
the symptoms must exist in at least two settings, so if your child only
behaves like a brat at school you may be right that she doesn't have
ADHD.
That doesn't mean ADHD doesn't exist. It might mean that your child
doesn't meet the criteria for diagnosis, but unless you allow that to
take place nobody will be sure. Assuming she does not have ADHD, or even
if we pretend that ADHD does not exist ... there is no reason ( or
excuse of you wish) for your child's bad behaviour at school ... how do
YOU propose to deal with it ?
Ian
Mark D. Morin
if the parent does not discipline their child, the child's
behavior is developmentally appropriate. Any good physician
will recognize that.
Your point?
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, and couldn't find a
> thing to dx me, and promptly both of them quickly dismissed all the sx as
> "Anxiety", which any DECENT DOC knows can bean symptom in of itself, and
NOT
> the disease! I have since seen different physicians and had been taken
much
> more seriously.
<nodding> Totally understand....I went to one psychiatrist, when things
were getting out of control with me trying to ensure my younger son was
getting his IEP complied with at his school(he was not-I had to fight for
every inch of this, and they would refuse to comply until threatened with
legal action....he is ADHD/gifted/Asperger's-high functioning autism). I
was getting more overt signs of ADHD (I believe I have this, but have been
able to overcompensate, due to what was called "gifted" when I was in
school).
The p-doc started with "Why do you think you have this?" I had a list of my
own symptoms, how long they have been eveident, reports from teacher, and
the fact it "runs in my family" he then said something about it being
overdiagnosed in children, who outgrow it...I should have left then. he
diagnosed anxiety, and gave me "calming exercises", using the same deep
breathing techniques I learned while persuing my black belt in kung fu,
things I was already doing....
After my son changed to a middle school this year (one much more "user
friendly" for spec ed), things have calmed down, but now the "boredom
factor" is kicking in. It seems that I need to be doing several things at
once to be happy...another sign of ADHD....I did register at the local
community college, maybe that will help <G>
SumBuny4Me
"Mark D. Morin" <mdm...@PETERHOOD69earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> if the parent does not discipline their child, the child's
> behavior is developmentally appropriate. Any good physician
> will recognize that.
And let's not even bring up developmental disorders....<g> discipline did
nothing to improve my son's...ADHD/autism....methinks that some of these
narrow-minded ignorant people have not received the proper discipline,
because they have not learned how to show compassion...
Alex
Joni J Rathbun wrote:
Change of topic?
Bad style, Joni.
Alex.
Alex
Ian N Ford wrote:
> Alex wrote:
> > My daughter has ADD at
> > school, and both principal and teacher urged us to have her diagnosed with it, but at home she could spend
> > several hours in a row drawing, reading, writing, playing piano or doing math. All without supervision. She
> > just learned that school demands ADD, but we want good behavior and devoted work for her own future.
>
> So you are saying that your child will behave at properly for her
> parents but not for her teachers ?
No. I say that one thing is proper for her parents, and quite another for her teachers. She behaves properly in
both settings. For instance she learned at school to laugh mechanically at every fart or burp. She say they
always do that at school, and teacher allows some time for this "fun", which often turns into a competition. It
is not that she laughs genuinely. She pretends. This is called socialization. Needless to say we don't allow this
at home.
At school every math or language assignment consists of 90% of coloring in order to distract child from lerning.
There is no such distraction at home. We go stright to business. They teach ADD at school, we teach normal life
at home. She behaves properly in both settings.
> For a diagnosis of ADHD to be made the symptoms must exist in at least two settings, so if your child only
> behaves like a brat at school you may be right that she doesn't have ADHD.
If I have the same idea about children behavior as the school does, she would behave the same in all settings. I
have to combat all the time to keep ADD at school, and out of my home. It is not a matter of beating. But you
have to be on watch out all the time, and every time you spot a problem you have to get to the root of it. Say,
if a child is socialized into laughing at burps and farts by her school, by the movies, and even by computer
reading tutors you don't blame the child, or force her not to do it at all. She might loose all her "friends"
this way, or most probably will simply disobey you, rather than the crowd. You just tell her that it is bad
manner, it destract her from the hard and important work of learning and securing her future. You point out for
her who exactly instills this bad manner in people, why, what for. What interests these guy have.
> That doesn't mean ADHD doesn't exist. It might mean that your child
> doesn't meet the criteria for diagnosis, but unless you allow that to
> take place nobody will be sure. Assuming she does not have ADHD, or even
> if we pretend that ADHD does not exist ... there is no reason ( or
> excuse of you wish) for your child's bad behaviour at school ... how do
> YOU propose to deal with it ?
There is a reason. This reason is called socialization. If at universities, and especially law, business and
medical schools you are socialized to behave like upper class, at school you are socialized to behave as lower
class. I propose nothing. After all, American schools is the business of American voters. I just explain to my
daughter what is really going on and why so she can stay with the crowd without much harm. This way she will know
how lower classes are manufactured, and will have a bit more understanding and compassion to them when she grows
up.
Alex.
Joe Parsons
[snip]
>> My child had a severe hearing loss. Sometimes he didn't hear directions
>> and, consequently, didn't follow them. I found discipline didn't work very
>> well. Medical help, however, made a significant difference.
>
>Change of topic?
>Bad style, Joni.
No, that's an a-n-a-l-o-g-y.
Can you say, "analogy?"
I knew you could.
Mark Probert
Magi D. Shepley
Alex wrote:
> "Magi D. Shepley" wrote:
>
>> Alex wrote:
>>
>> Mein Kampf fans? That's funny. I'm Jewish.
>
> So what? Fascism is ideology, not nationality.
Its still incredibly amusing.
>
>
>> You're a communist atheist who REALLY thinks Stalin was a hero.
>
> There are many reasons to believe that. Your own existence is one. My
> existence is another.
How is my existance proof that Stalin is a hero? It is, however, proof
that he was a murdering bastard... because without his help, I might
have been born in the Soviet Union instead of America! If he hadn't
started killing people (though he had, as a good example, the Czar and
his pogroms), my relatives probably wouldn't have left!
> Here is the third one
Okay... so he increased the life expentancy? After killing and starving
people, I am surprised.
>> Discipline doesn't always work. It depends: There are kids with a
>> serious disorder, and there are kids that are lazy. Can you tell
>> the difference, Alex, or should we just beat them all?
>
> What one should do depends on his values. In Russia we make sure our
> children get good teachers. Here I teach my children at home.
I expect you would teach your children at home.
Magi
Magi D. Shepley
Magi