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Joop Hermans

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Jul 24, 2002, 4:17:12 AM7/24/02
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Dear Bill,
Of course works it, but what do you think if your daughters are
30 yo and you are an old man? Think,think.
I am an old man and go soon to your Lord and spanking was here at school
in 1940, and you live now in 2002.Nobody can tell you on this eart what is
the true
and you must never listen to arguments, but to your own heart.
If you want to spank your kids you must do it, but if you want it not,
do it not. Better is also not to speak open about this, spank your kids
behind closed door.
Most US people who spank their kids, lost their children. Social workers
take your
children away and it is very difficult to become back your own children.
Also in Canada,
a spanking nation. In Europ you become the next day in prison and a day
later before the
judge. All over the world kids are spanked also in Sweden, but behind
closed door and
nobody speak about this. It is a kind of shame and taboo in EU.
You are back in the year 1940.Kids were spankled before the class by the
teacher.
It was usual, also at home. People all over the world become more soft and
soft and
they want not to spank their kids outside the door, but behind closed door.
That is the future, Sorry,Sorry. that's live.


observer

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Jul 24, 2002, 5:14:22 AM7/24/02
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"Nobody can tell you on this earth what is the true and you must never listen to
arguments, but to your own heart . . . All over the world kids are spanked also

in Sweden, but behind closed door and nobody speak about this."

That is what I am seeing. Parents are saying one thing publicly and doing
something else privately. This is EXACTLY how people survived in the old Soviet
empire before it collapsed of its own deadweight. They learned to lie to the
government and go about their business as usual. Not even an army of informers
and mountains of propaganda could prevent, for example, the practice of
religion. It is still around while the Evil Empire is in ruins.

Another factor which may well come into play is that children may become more
sophisticated. Right now, that is playing into the hands of the antispanking
zealots as kids like to get their parents in trouble. However, once the
disasters of CPS become widely known, children may begin to make different
choices.

After witnessing a few horror stories of kids who report being spanked and then
being bounced around from foster home to group home to foster home to wherever,
with minimal love and support, kids may just decide it is safer to get spanked
by a parent than rescued by the government.

LaVonne Carlson

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Jul 29, 2002, 3:18:14 PM7/29/02
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observer wrote:

> After witnessing a few horror stories of kids who report being spanked and then
> being bounced around from foster home to group home to foster home to wherever,
> with minimal love and support, kids may just decide it is safer to get spanked
> by a parent than rescued by the government.

Just to clear up the above lie, children are not placed in foster homes due to
parental spanking. I advocate for better training of foster care workers and
better screening and compensation for foster parents. I suspect you would support
this, since you seem to abhor the "horror stories" of foster care. Do you also
abhor the "horror stories" of children raised by "natural" parents?

How sad that you would think a child should have to decide between a bad foster
home and a bad home with "natural parents." Kind of tough for that two, three, or
four year old to make that decision. Kind of tough for any child to make that
decision. Fortunately, little children do not have to decide.

Oops, I forgot. You couldn't parent without hitting your children in the name of
discipline. You tried other methods and you lacked the skills to make them work.

LaVonne


observer

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Jul 29, 2002, 3:45:30 PM7/29/02
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"How sad that you would think a child should have to decide between a bad foster
home and a bad home with 'natural parents.'"

Or, a 6-year-old to be FORCED to go to a bad public school.

LaVonne Carlson

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Jul 31, 2002, 6:46:34 PM7/31/02
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Excuse me? What are you now talking about? I though I was responding to your post
regarding parenting and foster care. Is changing the subject the best you can do?

Thanks observer, you're great. No response. No reasonable rebuttal. Change the
subject (grin)!

LaVonne

observer

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Aug 1, 2002, 7:42:12 AM8/1/02
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"Change the subject (grin)!"

No. I just pointed out bad choices are broader than your
educated-beyond-your-native-intelligence attitude supposed.

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