bedtime
princess leia
is totally unpredictable, completely different from day to day, and has the
nerve to completely ignore the bedtime rituals <laughing>.
i'm fine with the lack of schedule. have no problems whatsoever with livin'
that way. here's the thing, though: leia fights sleep like the dickens.
she usually drops off unwillingly somewhere around 10:30 p.m. sometimes
she's fussy the hour or two beforehand, sometimes she's not. i go to bed
with her when she's ready. but frankly, i'm ready to go to sleep closer to
9:00 p.m. it's the one area where i'd actually like to "schedule." we've
tried having daddy hang out with her so i can go to bed, but she's not
having it.
we've tried the bath, book, nursing, then mommy-play-dead ritual night after
night after night, and she just sits up in bed, crawls all over me, bounces
on me while laughing and smacking her hands on my head, face, arms. she can
do this forever! a lot of times we end up in the car for 30 to 45 minutes
trying to lull her to sleep. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. and
we just flat do not like to have to get in the car at 9:45 at night.
so tell me, is this just the way it's going to be until she's old enough to
stay up in her room by herself? i can live with that if that indeed is all
there is to it. or is there some trick to tweak this? now that we've
changed the clocks, i'm really not looking forward to her going to sleep at
11:30 p.m. ack!
thanks for any advice!
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9:30-10ish there are somedays when he won't sleep. He also gets picky about
whether the tv is on or off and if both mom and dad are there or not.
Around I think it was 10 months he was very hard to get to sleep, I
attributed that to the walking. Then there were a few rough months with
teething where I couldn't get him to stay asleep. I think the most recent
time he was hard to get to go to bed was about a month ago 14 months when he
just wanted to stay up if we did. If I got up after he was asleep he would
get up shortly after and come out to get me. As hard as it is, we always
just go with the flow. He never kept us up past say 11 or so, not of his
own doing. Our routine is I tell him we are going to bed and he runs in
there and hops on the bed. Then I turn on the bathroom light and get into
bed and nurse him. 9 times out of 10 he goes to sleep. Sometimes if he
just can't get comfortable I sing to him or recite books that I have
memorized. Nick has always been a good sleeper though, so I am truly
blessed. Can you/do you nurse her to sleep? I can't do the mommy is
already asleep thing either. He won't have that at all :) I guess I don't
have any real advice, but I am interested in anyone else who might.
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Sarah
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princess leia
well, i attempt to nurse her to sleep. she just finishes nursing and then
sits up in bed and says, "gah?" and it's like she's just been given an
energy boost. then we'll maybe go watch a video or read a book, and i'll
attempt to nurse her to sleep again. it usually takes several nursing
sessions before she'll give in. she fights it all the way.
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Geri
a 15 month old baby girl myself who REFUSES sleep like anything. I was
very idealistic at first reading all these articles about sleep and
how to's while I was pregnant(yeah right, you magazine mommy)so I
thought then that a song, a cuddle, a kiss goodnight would work.
>From day one Summer (my cutie) totally refused sleeping on time. She
just giggles her way till 10 or 11:00. It gets worse at times,
stretching till 12 midnight. And at first I totally was so upset! Like
you I tried everything. I thought it would get better as she grew
older, but she still likes sleeping late.
Im also on the night shift at work, so I have to leave the house at
about 7:30. Ideally, I'd like her to be in bed by then so when I get
home by 2 am, all that's left to do is lie down beside her and do some
serious nursing : ). But she cannot sleep early, and is already having
separation anxiety.
According to my hubby, what he does is give her a bottle of pumped
milk (mommy's of course) and snuggles down beside her. (we co-sleep).
He usually waits for her to get very tired (we've noticed that she
fights the sleepiness)then tucks her in. YOu have to look for her
cues.. this can probably help
Look for the signs:
a. increased eye-rubbing while playing.. (she will not stop playing
and will try to fight sleepiness by rubbing her eyes open)
b. wobbly movements (Summer zigzags across the room when she's really
sleepy)
c. more and more babbling (i've noticed that she just gets louder and
louder as she gets sleepier)
well at least, these are our daughter's cues. Study your daughter's,
they may be very helpful hints that it's time to snuggle up beside
her. Then afterwards, we just turn off the lights and lie beside her.
That's another 30 minutes of her continuous babbling (she sings to
herself) then she just nods off.
To assuage my fears, I talked to my pedia, and she said that as long
as my baby's getting enough rest, then the late nights are alright. So
that calmed me down a bit. But I know how you feel. Try to get into
that turn off the light routine, nurse her, make sure she's safe and
secure beside you and just let her drift off. Hope this helps.
- GERI
PS And yes, I do nurse her. After a breastfeeding session, she stares
up at me and starts giggling again.
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Laura Lee Blechner
What about naps? Have they been later in the day? I know when I nap with my DD (6mos) we can sometimes sleep for 3-4
hours in the afternoon, but then the bedtime gets later. Also she sometimes will still nod off for about 15 min after
a nursing and then she is charged up and won't go to sleep easily (I don't know if toddlers do that...) Finally, my
personal theory is that when babies/toddlers cosleep they are getting a better quality sleep and maybe don't need as
much time in bed as when they sleep alone (but I have nothing to back that up, just a gut feeling)
Good luck.
Laura Lee
princess leia
i nurse her to sleep for her naps, and sometimes sleep creeps in and catches
her off guard. sometimes she fades out while nursing for about five
minutes, then she pushes herself away from me, sits up, and says, "gah?"
and it's full speed ahead again. sometimes i have to drive her around to
get her to nap, also. she is obviously tired, but just won't give in.
as for timing, it's whenever she can't fight it anymore, so it varies from
day to day. it can be at 10:30 am or it can be as late as 2:00 pm in the
afternoon. as for how long she naps, it can be anywhere from 30 minutes to
two and a half hours. no two days are the same. if it's after 1:00 pm when
she goes down for a nap, i don't let her sleep past 2:30. and she only
takes one nap.
no matter what time she takes that one nap a day, and no matter how long she
takes her nap for, it's the same thing at night. she can take a 45-minute
nap at 10:30 in the morning and still be fighting sleep at 10:30 at night.
like i said, no schedule whatsoever. she won't have it. some advice i've
gotten was to just lie down with her quietly at the same time every day to
get her used to a regular nap time. yeah, right!!!! not my baby!
ho-hum...i'm just going to learn to live with it. i don't hate it. i'd
just like one of those babies like my girlfriend's 15 month old. she slept
through the night at three weeks old. at 7:00 pm my friend puts her
daughter in her crib and walks out of the room. the girl falls asleep with
no fuss and doesn't wake up for at least 12 hours. i hate her!!!!
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greccogirl
night by a month, and get this, he HATED co sleeping. When we tried it
he would cry and flail around all night until we put him in his crib!!
To make it worse, he'd get up in the morning early, go into the kitchen
(at age 2 or so) get dry cheerios, go into the living room and watch
cartoons (on low) until at least 9 or 10 am.
But here's the kicker. #2 son came. He was practically attached to my
hip 24 hours a day, and he also refused to sleep in a crib. He also was
afraid of NOTHING, and I mean nothing at all. He got into some
situations you wouldn't believe, and when he got up, we ALL got up, it
was simply too dangerous not to!
So I got both ends of it.
greccogirl
David desJardins
> To make it worse, he'd get up in the morning early, go into the
> kitchen (at age 2 or so) get dry cheerios, go into the living room and
> watch cartoons (on low) until at least 9 or 10 am.
Don't you think there's something wrong with a 2 year old (or any kid!)
watching hours of cartoons?
David desJardins
Ann Bagley
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greccogirl
"non-judgmental" on these groups.
Don't worry though, it doesn't bother me at all!
Ann Bagley wrote:
>
> I thought this was the non-judgemental parenting group...
>
>
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David desJardins
>> Don't you think there's something wrong with a 2 year old (or any
>> kid!) watching hours of cartoons?
>
It's an honest question, I'm honestly interested in the answer. How
much TV is too much? Are some kinds of TV shows more problematic?
It sure seems like a lot to me. My kids aren't that old yet, though.
I guess the moderators thought it was ok. If they didn't like it, that
would be ok with me too.
greccogirl
"non-judgmental" on these groups.
Don't worry though, it doesn't bother me at all!
Ann Bagley wrote:
>
> I thought this was the non-judgemental parenting group...
>
>
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greccogirl
evening tv watcher.
I watched far more tv as a child (and read far more) than either of
mine.
Emily Roysdon
| greccogirl <grecc...@yahoo.com> writes:
| > To make it worse, he'd get up in the morning early, go into the
| > kitchen (at age 2 or so) get dry cheerios, go into the living room and
| > watch cartoons (on low) until at least 9 or 10 am.
|
| Don't you think there's something wrong with a 2 year old (or any kid!)
| watching hours of cartoons?
I would think it would depend on what the kid was watching. My children
don't watch a lot of network television (a few NickJr shows that play on
CBS--Bob the Builder and Franklin), but will use videos as background noise
while they play. I don't think the original poster was necessarily
advocating the practice, but saying that her firstborn child was so very
independent, he took care of himself in the morning. Maybe I'm too
delirious with envy to see anything wrong with that ;-)
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Emily Roysdon,
mama to Noah Joshua (4/8/98) & Rebekah Grace, born at home (6/16/00)
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Mary A. Samios
were stepped on. I thought that David desJardins was bringing up a valid,
if touchy point. How much TV is too much? And how does "too much" TV
affect our children?
For what it's worth, my children "watch" TV almost all day long. It's on
(usually PBSKids, sometimes Nick Jr., other times Playhouse Disney) in the
background while they are busy doing other things. They might pause from
time to time to check in on a favorite program. Essentially, they are using
it much like office workers use the radio.
Sometimes, Jack seems to suffer from "sensory overload", when that happens,
I limit their TV viewing/listening.
Mary
mom to Lili, Jenny, and Jack
and also on the moderation team here at alt.parenting.attachment
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greccogirl
everything, while the more "attachment" minded one had no fear of
anything. Go figure?? LOL
Anyway, as I said, don't be too envious, #2 was more than himself and
one other.
Ann Bagley
you think you're being a bad parent by letting your kid watch so much
TV?...." and other people read it as a simple question not really
pertaining to the original post.
Anyway... it just seems like I so often hear people in this group
complaining about friends/relatives being judgemental of their parenting
decisions that it bothered me to read a post that seemed judgemental (in my
eyes) of another poster.
I'm glad to hear most people just saw it as a question though!
ann
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Sarah
it. It's almost always on Noggin though when it's on. Nick is big time
into music. He wants the stereo on all day long. His favorite cd is Daft
Punk, second is No Doubt. He watches little to no tv at his grandparents
house on the weekends. But on Daddy days it's on all day in the background.
DH switches between the news channels that he wants to see and Noggin for
Nick, depending on whats on at the time. Nick rarely watches the tv for any
length of time. And unless there is some sort of music playing, he really
doesn't stay interested.
Sarah
">
> Don't you think there's something wrong with a 2 year old (or any kid!)
> watching hours of cartoons?
>
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greccogirl
everything, while the more "attachment" minded one had no fear of
anything. Go figure?? LOL
Anyway, as I said, don't be too envious, #2 was more than himself and
one other.
greccogirl
rest of the time. He only had two shows he loved, one was "Thundercats"
if I recall, and the other I think "He-Man". The third show was boring
so he came and got into bed with us and we were usually awake by then.
But to answer your question: Yes I think a lot of TV is too much. The
kids that watch it five hours a day cannot possibly be reading or doing
schoolwork or even be outside. I think that viewing age inappropriate
things are bad for kids.
greccogirl
greccogirl
Saturday/Sunday mornings. We didn't watch morning cartoons during the
week. So it really wasn't that much at all.
I guess unless someone insults me with profanity or something equally
weird, being judgmental doesn't bother me that much.
Emily Roysdon
| Ann Bagley <Ann.B...@iBiomatics.com> writes:
| >> Don't you think there's something wrong with a 2 year old (or any
| >> kid!) watching hours of cartoons?
| >
| > I thought this was the non-judgemental parenting group...
|
| It's an honest question, I'm honestly interested in the answer. How
| much TV is too much? Are some kinds of TV shows more problematic?
I think that it's a pretty individual thing. My son, at 4 years old, is
very sensitive to what he sees on tv, so I try to shield him from adult
content, as well as the commercials on regular tv that lead to hours-long
cases of the "gimmes." I knew we'd be in for trouble when he started
watching 3 hours of NickJr on CBS on Saturdays and referred to it as "those
toy shows."
| It sure seems like a lot to me. My kids aren't that old yet, though.
We didn't have good television reception until Noah was nearly two years
old, and even then it was just a few months of cable. He got somewhat
addicted to Sesame Street and Teletubbies during that time, then we
transitioned to primarily videos. What I have noticed is that children in
his preschool who were not limited in their tv/movie consumption are less
scared by what they see in movies like Monsters Inc., for example, whereas
my son is nowhere near ready for such things; seemingly innocuous children's
fare with lines like "it was a dark and stormy night" cause him to be a bit
scared, and he's pretty fearless otherwise. While some people may see lack
of fear in children as a good thing, I see it as a sign of desensitization.
In my first marriage, I got so used to my ex husband's violent movie choices
that it no longer bothered me to see blood and guts. Then, I married
someone else and we didn't have the money for movies for the first three
years or so we were married. Seeing more recent films with violence, I
can't take it, at all. I realized that my constant exposure to it had
dulled my senses, and that was also happening with children I knew, who saw
violent movies and games before they were old enough to truly process what
they were seeing. By the time they were old enough to "get it" they were so
used to it, it had no impact. Scary!
| I guess the moderators thought it was ok. If they didn't like it, that
| would be ok with me too.
Our general rule of thumb is to moderate out posts that come off as personal
attacks. You were asking about the television, not accusing the parent
directly. And since she's clarified it, I'm glad we've had this thread.
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Emily Roysdon, APA Moderator
and mama to Noah Joshua (4/8/98) & Rebekah Grace, born at home (6/16/00)
http://emily.roysdon.net
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