Questions about my Voodoo spell kits and results
Romeo0310
I was wondering if I could ask you all about something. I have been using some
Voodoo kits from www.spellmaker.com the past month to get back a former lover.
The kits involved gris-gris bags, magic griffes (that I had to draw), incense,
coconut candies, cigarettes, etc. Are you familiar with this stuff? There is
also the sands of time that you have to make a trail from your lover's house
too. You also have to call upon deities such as Ogoun Badagris and Baron
Samedhi. I learned that Baron was the ruler of the cemetary, but he is used in
our "Love Me Again" kit. Why is that? Do you know what he has to do with that
type of spell?
Also, the magic griffe I used for that had a person driving a stake or pole
into another person on the ground. What does that symbol have to do with
loving someone again? Does that look evil in any way?
Recently, I have also ordered a supposedly powerful spell kit from
www.customvoodoo.com. Now this kit is really different. It contains some oils
and powder that you use. According to them, they have already casted the love
spell for me. All I have to do is put on the oils and powder every morning.
And this is supposed to be the most powerful spell kit they have! What I have
to do is use one oil to make crosses on my forehead, back of hands, chest, and
top of feet. Then I sprinkle this other oil on me, which smells very good like
candy. Then I sprinkle the dust powder on my genitals. The thing is, I don't
understand the mechanism of how this works. There is no visualizing or
chanting involved, so how would I direct the energy toward the person I want to
get back? Do you know? Are you familiar with this type of Voodoo?
I did call them and they said that the ingredients were already precharged, and
that all I had to do was use them in the manner instructed. But this is
different from the way other spells are. Yet this is supposed to be the most
powerful kit they have. Their site and catalog says that this custom kit is
supposed to be highly potent and gets immediate results. When I get the
instructions though, I find that it takes 21 days of using the oils and powders
to complete the spell! I called them and they said that they consider 21 days
to be immediate! My idea of immediate is a day or two! Do they know what
they're talking about? They say that lots of people have gotten successful
results with their kits, yet they won't even publish testimonials on their
site! What do you think?
The custom kit I'm talking about can be found at www.customvoodoo.com. Then
click on the tab labeled "Custom Love Spells and Potions" and you will read a
short description of it.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks.
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
We all told you what we thought *before* you bought the kits from
spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think some of us are
going to waste our breath again? And in the future ,please do not email me in
regardsto such matters. I am not spellmaker.com's customer service department.
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Romeo0310
>spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think some of us are
>going to waste our breath again?
Nah ah! What you guys said before was that you heard of spellmaker.com, and
that was it. You never told me what your experience with it were. Or what you
heard about it. That's all I heard from you guys. Honest!
catherine yronwode
>
> >Let me know what you think.
>
> We all told you what we thought *before* you bought the kits from
> spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think some
> of us are going to waste our breath again?
Right on. We told him that this brand of "voodoo" is just a marketing
ploy because the company's owners are not Voodousants (members of a
Vodoo congregation), and they are certainly not houngans (priests) or
mambos (priestesses), and they have nothing but book knowledge of
voodoo, and are NOT INITIATED IN THE RELIGION. He really does not want
to understand that VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical
spell kits. I will say it again. I will say it three times:
VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical spell kits.
VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical spell kits.
VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical spell kits.
> And in the future ,please
> do not email me in regards to such matters. I am not
> spellmaker.com's customer service department. If you have questions
> about someones product, ASK THEM! That's what you pay them for!
Hey, Jo, did he email you too? I found out today that he sent both of
the same two massages as in these two posts he made here today to THREE
of my company's email addresses -- a total of SIX email queries about
some other company's products, thankfully all of them actaully filtered
out of my personal mail box.
cat yronwode
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>
> > We all told you what we thought *before* you bought the kits from
> > spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think
> > some of us are going to waste our breath again?
>
> Nah ah! What you guys said before was that you heard of
> spellmaker.com, and that was it.
And we said that we thought they were full of b.s. about being in the
Voodoun religion and that they were using the name Voodoo to sell
products and that doping so was a disreputable practice. We gave you web
sites to check out on the subject of Voodoo. Didja do it?
> You never told me what your experience with it were.
Jo runs her own hoodoo company. Why should she try their products? I run
my own hoodoo company. Why should i try their products? Both Jo and i
give the public HUNDREDS of FREE spells on our web sites. Why should you
buy their products?
> Or what you heard about it. That's all I heard from you guys.
> Honest!
I guess you really did not read the responses we posted here -- honest.
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WWu777
>Voodoun religion and that they were using the name Voodoo to sell
>products and that doping so was a disreputable practice.
How do you know though? What are you basing that on? If you don't know them
personally, or ever ordered from them, or if you don't know anyone who has, how
do you know they aren't using real Voodoo?
>We gave you web
>sites to check out on the subject of Voodoo. Didja do it?
Well I read some of the luckymojo.com site and learned some things, but nothing
in it about Voodoo contradicted what I know about it from www.spellmaker.com.
Where's the contradiction? Can you point them out rather than just telling me
that it's not the same kind of Voodoo?
Besides, isn't New Orleans Voodoo supposed to be different anyway?
>Both Jo and i
>give the public HUNDREDS of FREE spells on our web sites. Why should you
>buy their products?
Because the free spells don't contain all the tons of stuff you get when you
order their kits! There's a lot of complicated stuff in there. I can't get
that for free! I'd have to buy it all separately at least, which would take a
lot of time and effort.
I'm not saying that you should buy their products. I just want to know what
you base your assumptions about them from. And why.
Thanks.
"Doubt everything or believe everything: these are two equally
convenient strategies. With either we dispense with the need for
reflection." - Henri Poincare
Jules
wwu...@aol.com (WWu777) wrote:
> >Both Jo and i
> >give the public HUNDREDS of FREE spells on our web sites. Why should you
> >buy their products?
>
> Because the free spells don't contain all the tons of stuff you get when
> you
> order their kits! There's a lot of complicated stuff in there. I can't
> get
> that for free! I'd have to buy it all separately at least, which would
> take a
> lot of time and effort.
Well, I think that's part of the point. This is not intended to be
simple and easy work. These items should not be something you can run
down to the corner to procure.
Buying them via a large company (I have no knowledge of the site you're
referencing, BTW) may lack some of the oomph needed to make the work,
work.
However, as you aske din another email, spells, etc, do sometimes work
even from crappy online stores of from books. The answer to that is very
simple. Will.
If you push your energy in the direction of anything hard enough, it
will move. Some items, like graveyard dirt, or certain flowers, carry
with them long standing connotations and symbolic associations. Some of
those items merely help to draw one's focus to the task at hand. Others
serve to dissuade the less commited from approaching the work.
All in all, I am rather skeptical of any sort of company that claims to
sell "spells in a box" or what have you. Especially since with a little
necessary effort you can get whant you need on your own.
A quick rant: So many come in here and other places looking for a quick
fix, without realizing there is a science to this all. If it were as
easy as wrinkling one's nose in the right direction, everyone would be
doing it. Its not. It takes practice and commitment.
jules
--
I read the book of Job last night.
I don't think God comes well out of it.
- Virginia Woolfe (1882 - 1941)
WWu777
>ploy because the company's owners are not Voodousants (members of a
>Vodoo congregation), and they are certainly not houngans (priests) or
>mambos (priestesses),
The owner of the site, Samantha, is a priest though. I think she is initiated.
Besides, if you've never investigated them, then how do you know what they are
and what they're not?
>He really does not want
>to understand that VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical
>spell kits. I will say it again. I will say it three times:
Isn't there more than one type of Voodoo? I thought Voodoo was a tool or a
system of spells and rites too.
David Cantu
" Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net " <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message
news:20010501150742...@ng-mc1.aol.com...
> >Let me know what you think.
>
> We all told you what we thought *before* you bought the kits from
> spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think some of us
are
> going to waste our breath again? And in the future ,please do not email me
in
> regardsto such matters. I am not spellmaker.com's customer service
department.
> If you have questions about someones product ,ASK THEM! That's what you
pay
> them for!
>
I think this may be Spam in disguise, the same thing is going on at
alt.magick, and he e-mailed me a response from there.
Someone over there said the WuWu777 personality is a spammer, but he hasn't
used it on alt.magick yet.
He did, however pull an interesting person out of the wood work in response,
one Doktor Snake.
I fear my first response to him put down hoodoo, but I did not react well to
his use of it, or supposed use, it is just not my way. Forgive me please
guys, or put me in my place if you must.
David
catherine yronwode
>
> >Right on. We told him that this brand of "voodoo" is just a
> >marketing ploy because the company's owners are not Voodousants
> >(members of a Vodoo congregation), and they are certainly not
> >houngans (priests) or mambos (priestesses),
>
> The owner of the site, Samantha, is a priest though. I think she is
> initiated.
A woman (and Samantha is a woman's name) cannot be a priest (houngan).
She can be a mambo. Even if she is initiated in Vodoo (which is
equivalent to being a member of a congregation), she is unlikely to be a
priestess or mambo. As with any church, there are several dozen people
in a Voodoo congregation for every person in the clergy. Further, i know
of NO mambos or houngans -- NONE -- who market spell kits. Why? Because
they are clergy people, not herbalists or occultists. They operate
places of worship, called peristyles. They serve their congregations.
> Besides, if you've never investigated them, then how do
> you know what they are and what they're not?
Samantha Kaye is not a priestess in Vodoun. She is not initiated. She is
a marketer of occult goods.
> >He really does not want
> >to understand that VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical
> >spell kits. I will say it again. I will say it three times:
>
> Isn't there more than one type of Voodoo?
Yes, there is Dahomeyan (African Traidtional) Voodoo and Haitian
(African Diasporic) Vodoun. PLEASE READ THE WEBSITES ABOUT VOODOO. You
are getting to be a real pain in the ass about this, no kidding. ALL
THIS INFORMATION IS ON THE WEB. Read about it for yourself. STOP ASKING
US THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. We will continue to reply the
same way. Ask about the Vodoo religion in the newsgroup
alt.religion.orisha. Discussions about Vodoun lineages and priestly
initiations are on-topic for THAT newsgroup. GET A CLUE. We do not care
about what Hollywood version of Vodoo you think "should" be real or what
Samantha claims in her sales literature.
> I thought Voodoo was a tool or a system of spells and rites too.
No. You are wrong. You have been told several times by several people
that you are wrong. You are wrong. Please understand that what you
thought is wrong. It is not correct. It is incorrect. Your thoughts
about Vodoo are not based in fact. They are not the truth. What you
thought about Voodoo is wrong. You have been misled. You may have been
fed a load of fake "cultural exotica" shit by the media. You may have
fallen for a scam. You may be gullible. You are ignorant, but you can
learn the truth. You do not need to stay wedded to your ignorance like a
mule to a wagon. The DMOZ/ODP listing of web sites on Vodoun has already
been given to you TWICE. I cannot go to the DMOZ search engine and type
the keywords in for you. I cannot read the web pages about Vodoun
religion aloud to you. The only way you will get good information is to
read about it. The newsgroup for discussion of Vodoun religion is
alt.religion.orisha. Please ask your questions there.
catherine yronwode
>
> >And we said that we thought they were full of b.s. about being in
> >sell products and that doing so was a disreputable practice.
>
> How do you know though? What are you basing that on?
Because any true Voodoun mambo would state her peristyle and her
lineage. Respect for one's elders and an open acknowledgement of one's
place in the clergy is part of the religion.
> If you don't
> know them personally, or ever ordered from them, or if you don't
> know anyone who has, how do you know they aren't using real Voodoo?
Because people don't "use" Voodoo. Voodoo is a religion, like
Christianity or Buddhism. Do you "use" Christianity or Busshism? No, you
do not. And you can't "use" Vodoo, either.
> >We gave you web
> >sites to check out on the subject of Voodoo. Didja do it?
>
> Well I read some of the luckymojo.com site and learned some things,
> but nothing in it about Voodoo contradicted what I know about it
> from www.spellmaker.com.
There is nothing at the luckymojo.com site about Vodoo at all, except
for a brief reference to the fact that hoodoo is NOT Voodoo. I know that
for a fact because i wrote the luckymojo.com pages myself.
You even emailed my comany, saying that i had a site about Vodoo.
Obviously you did not read my site at all, or you are incapable of
understanding what you read -- because my site is not about Voodoo.
I told you where to go for a long list of web sites about Voodoo. Did
you go there?
WILL YOU READ THOSE PAGES AND LEARN SOMETHING OR JUST RETURN HERE AGAIN
AND AGAIN ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER?
Once more, go to --
http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/African/Diasporic
-- and click on VOODOO.
DO IT.
> Where's the contradiction? Can you point them out rather than just
> telling me that it's not the same kind of Voodoo?
Look, you have a real provblem. I keep telling you, Jo keeps telling
you, and you don't get it. Voodoo is a religion. Look up the word
religion in a dictionary. Hoodoo is a system of African-American folk
magic. Look up the words folk and magic in a dictionary. Notice how the
definitions differ?
> Besides, isn't New Orleans Voodoo supposed to be different anyway?
New Orleans Voodoo is a catch-phrase used for TWO things:
1) Items, products, and sight-seeing tours sold to tourists
2) A religion that is primarily a syncretic combination between
Dahomeyan/ Haitian Voodoo and Roman Catholicism, with some elements of
Yoruba / Cuban Ocha and Kongo Nkisi-worship terminology admixed. The
combination derives from the fact that the root-stock of the
African-Americans who settled in New Orleans were slaves from various
parts of Africa, although after the Haitian rebellion of the early 19th
century, more Dahomeyan /Voodoo-oriented slaves were brought to New
Orleans by their fleeing slave-owners. Voodoo in New Orleans lost its
priestly lineages sometime before the 1930s, and these were only
recently revived by travels made to Haiti for initiations vby a few
people (notably Ava Kay Jones) who were nterested in reviving the
religion, as it was on the verge of extinction there.
> >Both Jo and i
> >give the public HUNDREDS of FREE spells on our web sites. Why
> >should you buy their products?
>
> Because the free spells don't contain all the tons of stuff you get
> when you order their kits! There's a lot of complicated stuff in
> there. I can't get that for free! I'd have to buy it all
> separately at least, which would take a lot of time and effort.
We sell spell kits, too, sweetie, LOL.
{"Sweetie" and "LOL" (c) and TM MojoJuju Magick Shoppe, 2001 =^.^=}
> I'm not saying that you should buy their products. I just want to
> know what you base your assumptions about them from. And why.
I base my assumptions about them on this:
I believe that anyone who would lie about their religion to sell
products is not to be trusted.
I try to judge peole by their words and their deeds. If a merchant does
something i find contemtible and would not do myself, i dismiss him or
her from my mental list of honest merchants.
I will not tell you that i am a Hindu priest, although i sell stone
linga of Lord Siva suitable for placement on a Hindu altar.
I will not tell you that i am a Catholic priest, although i sell holy
medals of Saint Michael suitable for Catholic prayer.
I will not tell you that i am a Jewish priest, although i sell Kosher
Salt suitable for use in Jewish ritual meals.
I will not tell you that i am a Voodoo priestess, although i sell folk
magic spell kits based in African-American beliefs.
You can figure it out from there, i hope.
cat yronwode
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catherine yronwode
>
> " Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net " <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote
> >
> > spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think
> > some of us are going to waste our breath again? And in the
> > If you have questions about someones product, ASK THEM! That's
> > what you pay them for!
>
> I think this may be Spam in disguise, the same thing is going on at
> alt.magick, and he e-mailed me a response from there.
If it is commercial spam, it is damned ineffective, because everyone who
responds to him keeps on shooting down spellmaker.com as a commercial
site that disrespects the Vodoun religion and which misrepresents the
company's owner as a priestess when she is not. That's not good
advertising.
He's not a hoodoo any more than he is a practitioner of Voodoo -- he's
just some fubar guy who doesn't have sense enough to stop boinking his
ex-girlfriend when she asks him to stop. Read his posts. He tells all...
> Someone over there said the WuWu777 personality is a spammer, but he
> hasn't used it on alt.magick yet.
I think he is suffering from OCD and AADD -- he keeps obsessively asking
the same questions over and over again and he cannot seem to use a web
browser to read about Voodoo, no matter how many URLs he is given.
> He did, however pull an interesting person out of the wood work in
> response, one Doktor Snake.
Well, yes, that was interesting!!! I was pleased.
> I fear my first response to him put down hoodoo, but I did not react
> well to his use of it, or supposed use, it is just not my way.
> Forgive me please guys, or put me in my place if you must.
David, i know you from alt.magick, and i am guessing that your negative
opinion of hoodoo is coloured by the instructions you have received in
ceremonial magick in the Crowleyan, GDian, Solomonic. Goetian, and/or
Bardonic mode. You are now posting in apshm, where such race- and
class-based opinions about systems of "high" and "low" magic are not
acceptable. Different folks here -- a word to the wise.
WWu777
>VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical spell kits.
>VOODOO IS A RELIGION, not a system of commerical spell kits.
Dear Catherine, I have three things I would like to say to you about what you
said above.
1. First of all, I'm not interested in whether spellmaker.com represents the
"true religion" of Voodoo. I'm only interested in what works to get my former
lover back.
2. Second, there are over 400 Christian denominations, each of whom claim to
be the true representation of Christianity. For example, the Jehovah's
Witnesses claim that they are following the "true teachings" of God and that
the others aren't. So there is nothing special about your claim that your
version of Voodoo is the real one. That is not a unique claim by any means
since almost all religions say that.
3. Third, I used to be a Christian fundamentalist and I learned long ago that
religion is man's interpretation of the divine. Religion is man's invention,
it's not true spirituality. God can't be placed into any form of organized
religion. Religion is just one way to access the supernatural, not a code of
laws that tell you all truth.
If you would like to read my story on how I came out of organized Christianity,
you can read it at either of the following two links:
http://www.thrivenet.com/schizo/stories/wwu.html
http://www.angelfire.com/me2/mccl/
Thanks.
WWu777
>responds to him keeps on shooting down spellmaker.com as a commercial
>site that disrespects the Vodoun religion and which misrepresents the
>company's owner as a priestess when she is not.
>That's not good
>advertising.
No I do not work for www.spellmaker.com. That is a fact and a promise. I am a
real person and a real customer of theirs, expressing my real thoughts. You
may or may not like what I have to say, but everything I say is sincere and to
the point. That you can assume is a given.
>He's not a hoodoo any more than he is a practitioner of Voodoo -- he's
>just some fubar guy who doesn't have sense enough to stop boinking his
>ex-girlfriend when she asks him to stop. Read his posts. He tells all...
I never claimed to belong to the Voodoo or Hoodoo religion. I am just looking
for a way that will get my former lover back. That's the objective here.
Cat, which spell on your site would be the most powerful or effective to
accomplish this? I'm not gonna burn a black cat though! (referring to one of
the spells described on your luckymojo site!)
>I think he is suffering from OCD and AADD -- he keeps obsessively asking
>the same questions over and over again and he cannot seem to use a web
>browser to read about Voodoo, no matter how many URLs he is given.
Huh? I may be somewhat obsessive, but I'm not stupid. I am not asking
questions about the religion of Voodoo. I am merely trying to verify whether
the spell kits I'm using are for real or not. That is my concern, not whether
or not something conforms to YOUR idea of what Voodoo is. That's not what I'm
interested in. We could also debate which Christian denomination is the true
one either, but what good would that do?
Besides, if I were stupid, could I write something like this:
http://www.psyzone.freeserve.co.uk/winston.htm
>> He did, however pull an interesting person out of the wood work in
>> response, one Doktor Snake.
>
>Well, yes, that was interesting!!! I was pleased.
What do you mean? What did I pull?
Thank you all.
WWu777
>simple and easy work. These items should not be something you can run
>down to the corner to procure.
I think you're right. Most people think that spells are something you do just
once and then get the results. I think it makes sense to conclude that real
spells take 7 or 9 days. After all, you put much more effort into those and
they are longer in duration.
>However, as you aske din another email, spells, etc, do sometimes work
>even from crappy online stores of from books. The answer to that is very
>simple. Will.
If it's all will, then why use any ingredients at all? Why not just sit down
in an empty room and chant your wish all day? Wouldn't that work too?
Also, the expensive kit I got from customvoodoo.com is different. You don't
have to use any concentration at all. They've already done it for you. You
just have to use the oils and powder on yourself. I don't understand how that
can work if there's no directing of the energy involved. Do you?
I've called them a few times about this, and all they tell me is that I should
just have faith and follow the directions and it should work since the spell is
highly potent. What kind of magic is this anyway?
Thanks.
WWu777
>lineage. Respect for one's elders and an open acknowledgement of one's
>place in the clergy is part of the religion.
Catherine, with all due respect to you and your religion, I have to point out a
few things here. I have studied religion all my life (mostly Christianity and
Buddhism) and I know the diversity within each religion. Why don't you
consider that maybe Samantha's version of Voodoo is different? Maybe she is
sincere about her Voodoo beliefs too, but she just has different ways of
worshipping it than you? The Protestants don't pray to Saints either, but the
Catholics do. There are different ways to practice each religion. Please
don't get stuck into the "only true way" mentality. That leads to religious
fundamentalism.
>Because people don't "use" Voodoo. Voodoo is a religion, like
>Christianity or Buddhism. Do you "use" Christianity or Busshism? No, you
>do not. And you can't "use" Vodoo, either.
You'd be surprised. Some people use Christianity to have some purpose or
meaning in their lives. I did a long time ago, without realizing it. There
has to be something in it for them. In Christianity's case, the followers
believe that they will get eternal life in heaven for being a Christian.
>There is nothing at the luckymojo.com site about Vodoo at all, except
>for a brief reference to the fact that hoodoo is NOT Voodoo. I know that
>for a fact because i wrote the luckymojo.com pages myself.
Well there were links to web pages about Voodoo that I followed. I did read
the description of terms on your site though.
>You even emailed my comany, saying that i had a site about Vodoo.
>Obviously you did not read my site at all, or you are incapable of
>understanding what you read -- because my site is not about Voodoo.
If your site is just about spells, then why are you blasting other people for
only having a site about spells rather than about the Voodoo religion?
>WILL YOU READ THOSE PAGES AND LEARN SOMETHING OR JUST RETURN HERE AGAIN
>AND AGAIN ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER?
I just want to know what spellmaker.com is based on. Not on whether or not
they follow certain traditions. That would be like the Jews saying that
Christians aren't following God because they aren't keeping the Jewish
traditions and laws.
>We sell spell kits, too, sweetie, LOL.
Can you tell me about your most powerful one? And what the success rate on it
is? Like out of ten average users, how many get the results and how many
don't?
>I base my assumptions about them on this:
>
>I believe that anyone who would lie about their religion to sell
>products is not to be trusted.
I don't think they are deliberately lying. Most people we think of as liars
only have a different perception of it than us. Please don't be so quick to
draw the line here. Deliberate lying and just having different opinions or
methods of practice are not the same thing.
>I try to judge peole by their words and their deeds. If a merchant does
>something i find contemtible and would not do myself, i dismiss him or
>her from my mental list of honest merchants.
Well I can tell you that they certainly follow through on their promises and
commitments. They have a tech support team that answers ALL my questions
(without me having to repeat them) and they have been professional and
courteous each time I've called them. So their customer support is pretty
extensive. That I can tell you for sure. Isn't that a good attribute for a
business to have?
>You can figure it out from there, i hope.
>
>cat yronwode
But you're talking about your ethics vs. theirs though. That is merely
subjective opinion. Other people have different beliefs. That's how religion
is. I'm not looking for such a subjective discussion though. I'm looking for
the objective. Thank you.
WWu777
>a marketer of occult goods.
So are you saying that Samantha Kaye is a deliberate fraud and con artist, or
that she is honest yet deluded into thinking that she's a true Voodoo
practitioner?
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>questions about the religion of Voodoo. I am merely trying to verify whether
>the spell kits I'm using are for real or not.
Thas would be something one would usually do BEFORE they bought nto that phony
commercial "voodoo" crap ,therefore you ARE stupid. Sorry. We told yu before
hand but you chose to not take out advice. You made your own bed. Go bug
SpellR' US.com or whatever their name was if you have questions. After all,they
are who you ended up putting your trust in. Let them fill that void of
nothingness you call a brain with more lies and promises. yeesh...
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>alt.magick, and he e-mailed me a response from there.
No ..becaseu he had the nerve to dump 3 such lettersin my email box as well.
Just a nut job rather than a spammer,IMO.
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>>give the public HUNDREDS of FREE spells on our web sites. Why should you
>>buy their products?
>
>Because the free spells don't contain all the tons of stuff you get when you
>order their kits! There's a lot of complicated stuff in there. I can't get
>that for free! I'd have to buy it all separately at least, which would take
>a
>lot of time and effort.
Time and effort=intent. That is what makes a spell work. Complicateds does not
euql success. But why am I wasting my time once again? You are'nt listening.
You are just one of those silly pathetic people looking for a quick fix and are
willing to buy into the whole glitz thing. FYI,both Cat and I BOTH sell spell
kits with everything you need and it is not complicated in the least because it
does not need to be. :-P
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>in an empty room and chant your wish all day? Wouldn't that work too?
For some,yes. Others like atmospheric prompts to help them center themselves,
but they are not actually needed.
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>that was it. You never told me what
>your experience with it were.
Thats because we have enough sense *not* to *experience* their brand of
"magick".
The only magick they get right is separating your money from your wallet then
they leave you hanging in usenet groups looking for answers they should be
helping you with! lololol! Sucker...lololol!
LuckyHoodoo92
>a
>few things here. I have studied religion all my life (mostly Christianity
>and
>Buddhism) and I know the diversity within each religion. Why don't you
>consider that maybe Samantha's version of Voodoo is different? Maybe she is
>sincere about her Voodoo beliefs too, but she just has different ways of
>worshipping it than you? The Protestants don't pray to Saints either, but
>the
>Catholics do. There are different ways to practice each religion. Please
>don't get stuck into the "only true way" mentality. That leads to religious
>fundamentalism.
O.K. you need to back off Cat. First of all Cat NEVER mentioned her own
personal religious views. Secondly Cat is only trying to educate a person
regarding the subject of "Voodou". There is no debating this issue. Voodou is
a religon. "Hoodoo" is a magical practice. That's it, end of story.
>You'd be surprised. Some people use Christianity to have some purpose or
>meaning in their lives. I did a long time ago, without realizing it. There
>has to be something in it for them. In Christianity's case, the followers
>believe that they will get eternal life in heaven for being a Christian.
The point Cat was trying to make here is that you don't do candle magick, make
a poppet or what not, then claim you are doing "christianity".
>If your site is just about spells, then why are you blasting other people for
>only having a site about spells rather than about the Voodoo religion?
Jeeze, you have no clue. She doesn't give a flying F@#$ that other people have
sites with spells. She does have a problem with people scamming the
unfortunate by pretending to be a Voodou priest or practice Voodou when in
reality they are just practicing "Hoodoo". The website in question that sells
the "Voodoo Spell Kit" is a big fat scam. It is not "Voodou" and frankly it
may not be Hoodoo either since I am not remotely familiar with some of the
supposed magickal ingrediants and rituals sold there. As far as I know a bunch
of money happy people got together and made up shit and slapped a price tag on
it for some poor ignorant person to buy.
>I just want to know what spellmaker.com is based on. Not on whether or not
>they follow certain traditions. That would be like the Jews saying that
>Christians aren't following God because they aren't keeping the Jewish
>traditions and laws.
IT'S NOT BASED ON ANYTING!!!! AND IT CERTAINALY ISN'T "VOODOU". YOU GOT
SCAMMED. IF YOU WANT MAGICKAL INGREDIANTS OR "SPELL KITS" TRY CAT'S SITE. SHE
DOESN'T LIE TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Can you tell me about your most powerful one? And what the success rate on
>it
>is? Like out of ten average users, how many get the results and how many
>don't?
Most powerful one? Honey they are enginered for specific problems and results.
The power comes from *you* doing things correctly and your own personal power
to manifest. Bitch this aint' 20/20 so stop pestering for "statistics" on how
many spells succeed or don't. Like I said before, if you fuck it up it wont'
work. If you have no desire for a spell to work then it doesn't matter how
many candles you burn cause nothings gonna happen.
>I don't think they are deliberately lying. Most people we think of as liars
>only have a different perception of it than us. Please don't be so quick to
>draw the line here. Deliberate lying and just having different opinions or
>methods of practice are not the same thing.
No, honey. You got taken by a con artist. Just because I call myself the
"Pope" doesn't prevent me from selling water out of the john and labeling it
"Holy". If someone will lie about their credentials then you don't know what
else they will scam you on.
>Well I can tell you that they certainly follow through on their promises and
>commitments. They have a tech support team that answers ALL my questions
>(without me having to repeat them) and they have been professional and
>courteous each time I've called them. So their customer support is pretty
>extensive. That I can tell you for sure. Isn't that a good attribute for a
>business to have?
Of course they do. They are able to with all the profit they make form suckers
like yourself. Idio Products does the same thing and in my opinion 50-75% of
their products are shit. An example, I recently bought an "Adam and Eve" root
package from Idio. Now I know what real Adam and Eve root look like so you can
imagine my surprise when I opened it up to discover some type of seed pod with
one "balm of Gilead" bud. These ain't no "Adam and Eve" roots!!!!
>But you're talking about your ethics vs. theirs though. That is merely
>subjective opinion. Other people have different beliefs. That's how
>religion
>is. I'm not looking for such a subjective discussion though. I'm looking
>for
>the objective. Thank you.
"Magick" and "Religion" are not the same things. "Voodou" is not heavily
concerned with "magick". The problem is that con artists label themselves as
"Voodoo" practioners to sell their products when in actuality they are not.
It's called Misrepresentation. Simple as that. If you still want to play the
fool then so be it.
LuckyH.
LuckyHoodoo92
>"true religion" of Voodoo. I'm only interested in what works to get my
>former
>lover back.
Good. Buy your shit from either Cat or Jo.
>2. Second, there are over 400 Christian denominations, each of whom claim to
>be the true representation of Christianity. For example, the Jehovah's
>Witnesses claim that they are following the "true teachings" of God and that
>the others aren't. So there is nothing special about your claim that your
>version of Voodoo is the real one. That is not a unique claim by any means
>since almost all religions say that.
These denominations "branched" off from one another, meaning they were
"christians" to begin with and left to form their own denominations. In this
case there are money hungry cons out there who lie about being a "Voodou"
practioner when in actuality they know nothing of the true practices in either
Africa or Haiti. A similiar scenerio would be for me to profess to be "Wiccan"
but engage in black magick. Wicca as a religion does not tolerate "black"
magick so therefore I could not possible be Wiccan. Do you get that? These
cons can be caught. If someone is a true practioner you can ask them wich
peristyle they belong to, who innitiatied them, etc... ALL TRUE PRACTIONERS
will no hesitate in providing you this information. If they give excuses then
they are fake. If they give you some bull shit about self-initiation then they
are fake. There is no such thing as self-initiation in the religion of Voodou.
>3. Third, I used to be a Christian fundamentalist and I learned long ago
>that
>religion is man's interpretation of the divine. Religion is man's invention,
>it's not true spirituality. God can't be placed into any form of organized
>religion. Religion is just one way to access the supernatural, not a code of
>laws that tell you all truth.
That's your personal truth and not necessarily the truth of others.
LuckyH.
catherine yronwode
>
> >Because any true Voodoun mambo would state her peristyle and her
> >lineage. Respect for one's elders and an open acknowledgement of
> >one's place in the clergy is part of the religion.
>
> Catherine, with all due respect to you and your religion,
What religion would that be? Have i ever stated my religion to you? I
know that i have not. For the record, i am not a practitioner of
Voodoun, but you keep thinking that my site is about Voodoo and now you
seem to think i am a member a Voodoun peristyle!
> I have to point out a
> few things here. I have studied religion all my life (mostly
> Christianity and Buddhism) and I know the diversity within each
> religion. Why don't you consider that maybe Samantha's version of
> Voodoo is different? Maybe she is sincere about her Voodoo beliefs
> too, but she just has different ways of worshipping it than you?
I am not a Voodouisant. Neither is she.
To ask good questions, you need to know more about Voodoo. YOU NEED TO
READ ABOUT VOODOO. Remember when i gave you that URL for a list of web
pages? Twice? Three times?
WHY HAVE YOU NOT READ THOSE PAGES? What the &#%^$ is wrong with you?
Why are you badgering me like this, begging me to tell you that Samantha
is a true practitioner of Voodoo? I will not say it. I do not believe
that she is. She bears no evidence of ANY connection to the Voodoun
religion.
> The Protestants don't pray to Saints either, but the
> Catholics do. There are different ways to practice each religion.
> Please don't get stuck into the "only true way" mentality. That
> leads to religious fundamentalism.
You think this is about my being a Voodoo fundamentalist? Not so. I am
an ethnic Jew who worships (when i do) in a black Baptist church!
Now, as to "only one way" -- that was never the issue. There are many
"denominations" of Voodoo, of course. But, like any religion, Voodoo has
a set of distinguishing beliefs. Samantha displays none of them.
> >There is nothing at the luckymojo.com site about Vodoo at all,
> >except for a brief reference to the fact that hoodoo is NOT Voodoo.
> >I know that for a fact because i wrote the luckymojo.com pages
> >myself.
>
> Well there were links to web pages about Voodoo that I followed. I
> did read the description of terms on your site though.
There are links to web pages about Voodoo in the ESOTERIC ARCHIVE which
is *hosted* at my site. The ESOTERIC ARCHIVE is a massive archive of
almost 4,000 pages of captured usenet posts on the subject of religions
worldwide. I DID NOT WRITE THOSE PAGES. My own sites -- Hoodoo in Theory
and Practice, Sacred Sex, Sacred Landscape, The Spirit Checklist, Lucky
W Amulet Archive, Hoodoo and Blues Lyrics, Freemasonry for Women, etc.
are most definitely NOT about Voodoo and contain absolutely NO LINKS to
any sites about Voodoo.
> >You even emailed my comany, saying that i had a site about Vodoo.
> >Obviously you did not read my site at all, or you are incapable of
> >understanding what you read -- because my site is not about Voodoo.
>
> If your site is just about spells,
My site is not just about spells by any means. It is about good luck
talismans, Freemasonry, amulets, spell-work, religion, myth,
archaeoastronomy, karezza, sex-magic, folk magic, symbolism, antique
postcards, comic books, and much, much more.
> then why are you blasting other
> people for only having a site about spells rather than about the
> Voodoo religion?
I did not blast anyone for their having a site about spells. I simply
said that Samantha is using other people's very valid and deeply felt
religion as part of a false claim she is making to sell her products.
> >WILL YOU READ THOSE PAGES AND LEARN SOMETHING OR JUST RETURN HERE
> >AGAIN AND AGAIN ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER?
>
> I just want to know what spellmaker.com is based on.
My guess -- and it is only a guess -- is that the site is based on the
fact that Samantha reads books about spells and adapts them to her own
uses. Some of these spells are found in books about the traditional folk
magic of the Afrcan diaspora. Others are more or less her own
fabrications. She lies about her sources and calls the spells she sells
"powerful Voodoo" because she knows that ignorant sods such as yourself
-- who have no interest in African-American or Haitian culture -- have
seen the word "Voodoo" misused in Hollywood films so often as an
equivalent for "spooky coercive magic" that it is likely that you and
people of your class, age, and race are willing to go along with her
fabricatioed claims because basically you have no interest in world
cultures beyond how you can exploit their presumed exoticism. She judges
you correctly, and you are such a self-baster that you repeatedly defend
her self-made claims to be a Voodoo priestess against those who are
familiar enough with Voodoo and with folk magic to know exactly what
kind of lies she is telling.
> >We sell spell kits, too, sweetie, LOL.
>
> Can you tell me about your most powerful one? And what the success
> rate on it is? Like out of ten average users, how many get the
> results and how many don't?
We do not make a big deal about whether the spells we compile are
"powerful" -- as if folk magic be measured in points, like in a
role-playing gamne. We simply present the best and most traditional
spells we know. Also, most of the spells we sell we also GIVE AWAY. You
can read them for free and make your own!
I think that the "Nation Sack" and "Love Me" may be the most powerful
love spells we sell. Results are remarkable for both.
As for money-drawing spells, we seem to get the best feedback from "Fast
Luck" and "Money Drawing." The "Blues By Special" mojo hand has helped
many musicians get gigs, too.
In the realm of protection and clearing away trouble, the "Fiery Wall of
Protection," "Hot Foot," and "Uncrossing" spells are our best sellers
and are enthusiastically endorsed by our customers.
Our "Court Case" spell kits are very popular with the public and have a
great word-of-mouth reputation for efficacy, and we have received much
positive feedback on the results.
Much of our work is making custom mojo bags -- these are not
one-0size-fits-all kits, but specific hand made up for specific cases.
Recently we made a mojo bag for a child sick with a life-threatening
disease and he was cured. His aunt, who had ordered the mojo for the
little boy, told us that we could use her name in testamonials, but ...
well, we just don't do that sort of self-promotion.
You have to understand, Lucky Mojo is not primarily geared to selling
spell kits to droids looking for an instant "Voodoo Spell Kit" fix.
85% of our customers are African-Americans from the South, most of them
women in middle age. Another 10% are Anglo-Americans with general
experience in neo-pagan or eclectic spell-work, and about 5% are recent
immigrants to the USA who require the ingredients specific to their own
cultures' magical workings.
Our customers tend to buy ingredients (lodestones, oils, incenses,
sachet powders, herbs, candles) with which to work their own spells,
spells which they have been passed down through long family or community
tradition. These folks are not looking for guarantees of results or
testimonials. They are looking for authentic supplies -- roots,
minerals, zoological curios, flannel bags, candles, dressing oils, herb
bath mixtures -- with which to perform spells or lay tricks that they or
their family members have worked with success for hundreds of years.
> Well I can tell you that they certainly follow through on their
> promises and commitments. They have a tech support team that
> answers ALL my questions (without me having to repeat them) and they
> have been professional and courteous each time I've called them. So
> their customer support is pretty extensive. That I can tell you for
> sure. Isn't that a good attribute for a business to have?
Indeed. I am glad to hear that spellmaker.com is willing to extend
customer support. The four of us who work here at Lucky Mojo do the
same, fielding phone calls all day long, seven days a week, from people
who want more information about candle magic, need help with timing of
spells (moon signs, days of the week, etc.), want translations for
traditional magical herb names in various languages, or are looking for
suggestions on how to perform a certain trick that they only know about
through their grandmother, who passed on without giving them the full
details.
> But you're talking about your ethics vs. theirs though. That is
> merely subjective opinion. Other people have different beliefs.
> That's how religion is. I'm not looking for such a subjective
> discussion though. I'm looking for the objective. Thank you.
If you want an objective discussion of the "authenticity" or
"traditionality" of the spells at spellmaker.com, then you first need to
read about VOODOO. Samantha asks you to invoke Voodoun deities in the
casting of those spells. Are she doing so correctly or just tossing in a
few Haitian names like word-salad to dress up what may be a mish-mash of
ideas culled from books half-digested? She is making EXTRAORDINARY
claims -- to be selling Voodoo spells -- when all the rest of us know
that Voodoo is a religion, not a system of magic. What relation *does*
Voodoo have to spells? How can you judge this objectively unless you
aquaint yourself with both Voodoo AND the claims she makes? READ ABOUT
VOODOO!!!
Go to
http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/African/Diasporic
and click on Voodoo. You will find links to these pages:
Afrocentric Experience: Origins of Voodoo - Voodoo is a
derivative of the world's oldest known religions which have been around
in Africa since the beginning of human civilization. Some conservative
estimates these civilizations and religions to be over 10,000 years old.
This page is part of the large and multifacted Afrocentric Experience
web site.
Ancestors in Haitian Vodou by Mambo Racine Sans But - Respect for
the ancestors, 'zanset yo' in Haitian Kreyol, is essential to Vodou, and
the bones of the dead have great magical powers. Vodouisants are buried
with Roman Catholic rites, and a wake is held for nine nights, after
which the Vodou ceremony of 'desounin' is held.
Haitian Vodou at Le Peristyle de Mariani - Step-by-step
photographs of Haitian Vodou rites, both Rada and Petro, showing
congregants mounted by various Loas, with their characteristic gestures
and behaviours explained.
Haitian Vodoun Culture - Excerpts from the encyclopedic work on
Haitian Vodoun compiled by Estelle Manuel. Vèvès, Langaj, samples of
drum rhythm, and a catalogue of over 2000 songs.
Homosexuality in Haitian Vodou - Gay men and lesbians are not
barred from any religious activity in Vodou; they participate in
services, become initiates, and seve as clergy; when possessed by the
lwa, they may assume typically heterosexual mannerisms.
Marie Laveau Biographical Data - Little is known definitively
about Marie Laveau, the legendary Voodoo Queen of New Orleans. She may
have been born in New Orleans or Saint Domingue; she was a free woman of
color with African, Indian, French, and Spanish blood.
The New Orleans Voodoo Foundation - An excellent educational
resource about New Orleans Voodoo. Contains an extensive Voodoo
Glossary, Vever Drawings, FAQ page, and a free service in which email
questions are answered by Authentic practitioners.
Origins of Voodoo - A brief history of Haitian Voodoo.
Profile of a Belief System -- Vodoun - Introduction to Haitian
Vodoun and New Orleans Voodoo by Ontario Consultants on Religious
Tolerance and the editors of the e-zine PorchNus.
The Quick and the Dead: The Souls of Man in Vodou Thought - An
essay by Richard Hodges on the Vodou concept of "soul." Vodou recognizes
three spiritual components which together with the physical body make up
a man: the ti-bonanj (petit bon ange) "little angel," gwo-bonanj (gros
bon ange) "big angel," and m*t-t*t (maitre tet) "master of the head."
Race in Haitian Vodou - Racial, ethnic, or national origin is no
bar to participation, but some unscrupulous Hougans and Mambos refuse to
perform authentic initiation and ordination rites for aspirants who are
not both black and Haitian.
Seminar-Workshop on Vodou in Haiti - A Seminar-Workshop for those
who would like to know more about Vodou, learn Vodou dances, drumming.
Sex In Haitian Vodou - Photo-essay on sexuality, dress codes
during religious rites, attitudes toward fertility and polygamy, and
marriages between humans and lwa in Haitian Vodou.
Temple of Yehwe Home Page - The temple, located in Washington
D.C., is an offshoot of Le Peristyle de Mariani which was founded in
1974 in Mariani, Haiti, by Max-G. Beauvoir. Both institutions are
dedicated to the understanding and promotion of
Vodoun as the religion and the culture of the Haitian people.
Veves: Art of the Loas - Gallery of colour images by Soutini
Gwangenge, derived from traditional Haitian veves of the lwas.
The Vodou Page - Articles by Mambo Racine Sans Bout, a
legitimately initiated and ordained priestess of Haitian Vodou.
Vodoun Culture - The pantheon, songs, dances, language, and
ritual-symbols of Haitian Vodoun.
Vodun (a.k.a. Voodoo) - Excellent historical and practical
information on Vodoun, its pantheon, and its rituals, from
religioustolerance.org
The Vodun (Voodoo) Religion - Vodun, like Christianity, is a
religion of many sects. Each group follows a different spiritual path
and worships a slightly different pantheon of deities, called Loa (or
Lwa). The word means "mystery" in the Yoruba language.
Voodoo - Vodou - Vodun - Essays by Soutini Gwangenge on the roles
of Nature and Trance in Haitian Vodou.
Voodoo at studyweb.com - A large, useful link collection of
Voodoo sites that will be helpful to students preparing school papers.
The sites are graded by reading level and visual content appeal.
Voodoo Glossary - A short dictionary of Haitian Voodoo terms.
Voodoo Information at Baton Rouge Net - A brief, factual,
well-illustrated introductory essay on Voodoo in the Caribbean and
Lousiana, with a focus on Marie Laveau.
Voodoo (Vodou) Encyclopedia - Information resource about the
religion of Vodou, or Voodoo.
World History Archives: Haiti's Religious History - This
collection of scholarly and informative documents by various authors on
the history and practice of Vodun (Voodoo) in Haiti is part of an even
larger site on Haitian history in general.
Zombies -- the Walking Dead - A brief, factual essay: The word
zombie is derived from the Congo word "nzambi," which means "spirit of a
dead person." Zombies are created by Bokor priests in Haiti; victims are
drugged with exotic poisons.
Zombies on the Web - compiled by David Chalmers - This site
features a link-list collection of web-based essays and articles on
Zombies, from the horrific myths of Hollywood to the Haitian Vodoun
tradition.
cat yronwode
Hoodoo in Theory and Practice -- http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html
Lucky W Amulet Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html
Lucky Mojo Spells Archive ------ http://www.luckymojo.com/spells.html
Hoodoo and Blues Lyrics --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/blues.html
No personal e-mail, please; just catch me in usenet; i read it daily.
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>of money happy people got together and made up shit and slapped a price tag
>on
>it for some poor ignorant person to buy.
Bingo! lololol!
You would think he would understand something put that simply but remember
who/what we are dealing with here. lolol!
Peace,
~*Jo*~
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>READ ABOUT VOODOO. Remember when i gave you that URL for a list of web
>pages? Twice? Three times?
>
>WHY HAVE YOU NOT READ THOSE PAGES? What the &#%^$ is wrong with you?
ROTFLMFAO! I never thought I would live to see the day! I guess it proves even
a mature,affiable person such as Cat has her limits. lololol!
Peace,
~*Jo*~
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>> then why are you blasting other
>> people for only having a site about spells rather than about the
>> Voodoo religion?
>
>I did not blast anyone for their having a site about spells.
Cat,
I think they were confusing you with me and then took it(my post response) out
of contex as well...
Joseph B Wilson
" Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net " <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message
news:20010502173121...@ng-mi1.aol.com...
> >As far as I know a bunch
> >of money happy people got together and made up shit and slapped a price
tag
> >on
> >it for some poor ignorant person to buy.
>
> Bingo! lololol!
> You would think he would understand something put that simply but
remember
> who/what we are dealing with here. lolol!
>
> Peace,
Who was it that wrote: "Everyone has the right to be wrong, but some people
abuse the privilege." <grin>
Joseph B Wilson
http:/www.metista.com
David Cantu
"catherine yronwode" <c...@luckymojo.com> wrote in message
news:3AEF8A...@luckymojo.com...
> David Cantu wrote:
> >
> > " Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net " <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote
> > >
> > > We all told you what we thought *before* you bought the kits from
> > > spellmaker.com but you didnt listen then..what makes you think
> > > some of us are going to waste our breath again? And in the
> > > future, please do not email me in regards to such matters. I am
> > > not spellmaker.com's customer service department.
> > > If you have questions about someones product, ASK THEM! That's
> > > what you pay them for!
> >
> > I think this may be Spam in disguise, the same thing is going on at
> > alt.magick, and he e-mailed me a response from there.
>
> If it is commercial spam, it is damned ineffective, because everyone who
> responds to him keeps on shooting down spellmaker.com as a commercial
> site that disrespects the Vodoun religion and which misrepresents the
> company's owner as a priestess when she is not. That's not good
> advertising.
>
> He's not a hoodoo any more than he is a practitioner of Voodoo -- he's
> just some fubar guy who doesn't have sense enough to stop boinking his
> ex-girlfriend when she asks him to stop. Read his posts. He tells all...
>
I changed my assessment of him, though it does have a spamish reek to it.
> > Someone over there said the WuWu777 personality is a spammer, but he
> > hasn't used it on alt.magick yet.
>
> I think he is suffering from OCD and AADD -- he keeps obsessively asking
> the same questions over and over again and he cannot seem to use a web
> browser to read about Voodoo, no matter how many URLs he is given.
>
I think he wants something handed to him, given the nature of what he wants,
that is not the way to go in my opinion. At least if he prepared it all
himself the Process of doing so would be transformative and might in itself
do a lot of the job. The idea of buying ready mades from a "unknown" and th
en using that to overcome another's will is a bit much. But then to claim
you do it for love of that person is not a sign of clear thinking.
> > He did, however pull an interesting person out of the wood work in
> > response, one Doktor Snake.
>
> Well, yes, that was interesting!!! I was pleased.
>
He and Joel had a good one, and I like the guy.
> > I fear my first response to him put down hoodoo, but I did not react
> > well to his use of it, or supposed use, it is just not my way.
> > Forgive me please guys, or put me in my place if you must.
>
> David, i know you from alt.magick, and i am guessing that your negative
> opinion of hoodoo is coloured by the instructions you have received in
> ceremonial magick in the Crowleyan, GDian, Solomonic. Goetian, and/or
> Bardonic mode. You are now posting in apshm, where such race- and
> class-based opinions about systems of "high" and "low" magic are not
> acceptable. Different folks here -- a word to the wise.
>
Mostly lack of knowledge combined with touching some aspects of Brujeria
down here that didn't sit well with me. But that is just prejudice that
comes from having a bit of Hispanic blood.
Keep in mind that even among the ceremonials I am a bit odd, between chaote
and trad without being either.
Also keep in mind that I did not have to point out my foot in mouth disease
on apshm, I did it out of respect for you guys, truth is I reacted pretty
harshly to Romeo's post and that is what it was really about.
Love ya Cat
David
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>Who was it that wrote: "Everyone has the right to be wrong, but some people
>abuse the privilege." <grin>
>
Why,I beleive it was some hairy "bear" kinda guy or something...::grin::::
Joseph B Wilson
" Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net " <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message
Hehe, I wish i could take credit for it, but i read it somewhere some time
ago. Damn! being honest is such a pain!
WWu777
>they leave you hanging in usenet groups looking for answers they should be
>helping you with! lololol! Sucker...lololol!
Are you saying that other people beside me have come in here asking about them
too? If not, what are you basing that on? How do you know something is a scam
just because it doesn't follow your idea of what Voodoo is?
WWu777
>but they are not actually needed.
So how long lasting do the results tend to be? Do you know someone who
successfully got back a former lover with spells? If so, how long did their
return last?
Anyone else here know?
WWu777
>the "Voodoo Spell Kit" is a big fat scam.
You don't know that unless you know some people who got scammed by them and got
no results. Do you know any people who were dissatisfied with what they got
from that service?
Think about it. If they were just a scam and dishonest, then they'd be
pestered constantly with people blocking the charges on their credit cards and
they'd be knee deep in lawsuits. They wouldn't survive this long.
And how do you explain their positive testimonials page?
> The power comes from *you* doing things correctly and your own personal
>power
>to manifest.
That's EXACTLY what they at www.spellmaker.com said too! Same principle! So
it appears that you actually have more in common with them than you thought.
>
>Of course they do. They are able to with all the profit they make form
>suckers
>like yourself.
Then why don't you and Cat have enough successful customers to do the same
thing and have a whole tech support team?
WWu777
>love spells we sell. Results are remarkable for both.
Thanks, I'll check those out then. Do you have a testimonials page with real
letters from real clients?
>Much of our work is making custom mojo bags -- these are not
>one-0size-fits-all kits, but specific hand made up for specific cases.
Are they like gris gris bags? If so, I have a few of those.
>His aunt, who had ordered the mojo for the
>little boy, told us that we could use her name in testamonials, but ...
>well, we just don't do that sort of self-promotion.
Why do you consider testimonials to be unethical?
So have many people in my situation had success with your products?
>Go to
>http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/African/Diasporic
>and click on Voodoo. You will find links to these pages:
Would you stop giving me these links? My mind is too disturbed right now to
try to study religion. It's not the right time and I'm not in the right frame
of mind right now. Just drop this for now ok?
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>letters from real clients?
>
lolololol! Like people have never made up a testimonial
page...lolololol...hey..I have this swap land I want to sell...interested?
lololol
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
Dopes like you that saw coincidences as postative effects? lololol
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>them
>too? If not, what are you basing that on? How do you know something is a
>scam
>just because it doesn't follow your idea of what Voodoo is?
And with this last posting that i will have to read from this nut.....*plonk*
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
Funny..I just said something along those lines the other day.
"Being the voice of reason is not always a popular job."
I have found that what irritates me most lately is that I have had this
onslaught of guys whining about their women leaving them. (Sound familiar?)
They want to get them back with magick but they have not even tried the old
"talking & communicating" magic which is always the first thing I suggest. If I
wanted to take advantage of these people money-wise it would be very easy but
that is not my style. I beleive that one should first try every means possible
before they resort to magickal means but this is evidently not what they want.
They instead want to weave some spell over them(the poor women)so they will not
have to make the effort and it is irritating to have people (like that other
goofball in here,for example) ask for advice and then totally ignore it.
Instead they come back whining and begging for help again and again and again.
Sheesh! If they had put that much effort in the relationship, maybe it woudlnt
have fallen apart!
One guy ,I did a reading on and the oulook for reconcilation was very posative
if he communicated. I told him this but instead he would rather sit on his ass
asking for a quick fix. They fail to realize that even with a spell these guys
relationships are bound to fail once the affects of any magick wears off and
they are forced to *gasp* learn to communicate to keep it going. They do not
get it through their thick skulls that they have no put forth an effort to
affect any lasting,worthwhile changes.
If you truly loved someone,( and I don't think any of these guys knows what
that means) you would not try to manipulate them with magick but make that
human one-on-one effort first.
So thats it. As Roberto Duran so eloquently put it: "No Mas".
They're on their own.(Or I charge them the going rate for a reconcilation spell
even if the reading says otherwise...lolol)
::stepping off soapbox:::
Peace,
~*Jo*~
catherine yronwode
> Then why don't you and Cat have enough successful customers to do
> the same thing and have a whole tech support team?
Logical fallacy: It is FAILING customers, not "successful" ones, who
need "tech support" in computers -- and in magic too, i presume.
cat yronwode
Silvery
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message
news:20010503124136...@ng-cb1.aol.com...
> >Damn! being honest is such a pain!
>
> Funny..I just said something along those lines the other day.
>
> "Being the voice of reason is not always a popular job."
>
> I have found that what irritates me most lately is that I have had this
> onslaught of guys whining about their women leaving them. (Sound
familiar?)
Maybe next month it'll be guys wanting success at work... Who knows...?
Am I great at making my intentions mis-understood or what?!
At the time, we had one call that was really positive.. People noted a
change in my attitude, I was alot more up than I have been...
But when the next time I heard from her was when she called to demand money
I owe her but don't have, the ntell me she wanted to kill herself and it was
all because of me, and then hung up after making me promise not to call her
when I was so fecking afraid for her, what can I do? I want her, I want to
be able to talk to her, to help her, and I pray every day that we can make
amends, and heal the pain we've caused each other...
But when I'm feeling suicidal over what I've done to her, and she's feeling
so down, just what the hell can I do? People still seem to assume that all I
want is a quick fix, when all I want is a chance, a starting point. You
think I want to go through all of this, just to have a one nighter with her
like others have reported, or just to have a couple of days or weeks of
putting us both through the same old shit? No, I just want something to
bring about the chance to talk.. And I don't mean talk sa in throwing the
hurt back and forth, although I know that's going to be a part of it, I mean
talk as in get to know each other, get to feel comfortable with each other.
No quick fix, I don't expect to be able to wave a wand, or have someone else
wave a wand, and live a fairy tale romance as a result. Not something that
brings her back into my arms in a flash of light, just something that opens
up her heart, something that lets her and I be able to communicate.
After that, I know i have to make the effort, I can't just expect the magick
to do the work for me...
> If you truly loved someone,( and I don't think any of these guys knows
what
> that means) you would not try to manipulate them with magick but make that
> human one-on-one effort first.
So writing to her pouring my heart out, trying to tell her I'm always there
for her, trying to explain to her how sorry I am for what I've done to her,
trying to help her although I can't barely help myself at the moment, that's
not making the human effort first?
Sure, my heart might not be as pure as I would like it to be, but please,
don't talk about not loving and manipulating... If it's wrong to want to
change one thing, to take away one barricade, to just want to try and make
someone smile and show them that they weren't wrong, and that to feel love
for me wasn't something to regret, to cry over... Then I'm wrong. I'll live
with it, and I'll live wit the consequences of my actions and requests. I'm
not going into all this with my eyes closed, I just feel in my heart that I
can be everything she wants, more to the point, that the person I am inside
_is_ everything she wants. But she's so down, and wrapped up in self doubt,
weakness and pain that she won't let anyone in, not me, not her friends, not
her new lover, not her parents... I would like to be there for her in her
time of need, not just because I want her, but because I care about her, and
I can't bear to see her like this.
>
> They're on their own.(Or I charge them the going rate for a reconcilation
spell
> even if the reading says otherwise...lolol)
Fine, charge me... You say the reading wasn't so bad, and what the heck, I'm
more than willing to pay to have a chance at being not only with her, but
there for her. Take my money, do the spell, and let me know what I have to
do to help it all work.
And if you don't think it'll work, go ahead anyway, you'll have some extra
cah and I'll have something to hope for...
>
> ::stepping off soapbox:::
Ditto
Don't mean to sound quite as abrasive as I'm coming across.. I just feel
that in everything I do I'm smashing my head against a wall... Both in
business, health, life and love. And I'm maybe not in the most laid back of
moods right now.... I apologise. But then, what's the use in only ever
showing one side of me?
Silvery
catherine yronwode
>
> >Do you have a testimonials page with real
> >letters from real clients?
No. Do you think i should?
> >Much of our work is making custom mojo bags -- these are not
> >one-size-fits-all kits, but specific hand made up for specific
> >cases.
>
> Are they like gris gris bags? If so, I have a few of those.
Please read
mojo hands: http://www.luckymojo.com/mojo/html
nation sacks: http://www.luckymojo.com/nationsack/html
> >His aunt, who had ordered the mojo for the
> >little boy, told us that we could use her name in testamonials,
> >but ... well, we just don't do that sort of self-promotion.
>
> Why do you consider testimonials to be unethical?
Why do you think that "self-promotion" is "unethical"?
> >Go to
> >http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/African/Diasporic
> >and click on Voodoo. You will find links to these pages:
>
> Would you stop giving me these links? My mind is too disturbed
> right now to try to study religion. It's not the right time and I'm
> not in the right frame of mind right now. Just drop this for now ok?
Sorry your mind is so disturbed right now. I recommend that you sit
quietly some place in nature where there is no computer and no cars and
no electricity for about three days. A local state park or abandoned
field, or wood lot would serve. Use that time to eat simple, ancient
foods (prepared in advance if you do not wish to have a cookfire) and
drink only water. As you sit quietly, observe the other beings around
you -- insects, birds, mammals, flowers, herbs, and trees. Observe the
weather and the changes of day for night. Think about your life, about
your leg-wanking on your girlfriend, and about your death. Try to
visualize a pleasing and productive way to spend the unknown span of
time you will have between the leg-wanking and the death.
Good luck.
cat yronwode
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Lucky W Amulet Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html
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No personal e-mail, please; just catch me in usenet; i read it daily.
catherine yronwode
>
> Do you know someone who
> successfully got back a former lover with spells? If so, how long
> did their return last?
Please bear in mind that in what follows, i am not referring to "kit"
spells from fake "Voodoo priestesses" but to the community-based forms
of folk-magic known as African-Amerrican hoodoo and Latino brujeria.
Yes, i do know people who successfully have gotten their lovers back by
the use of magic. The length of time of the returns was variable -- from
a few hours -- as in your leg-wanking case -- to many years. I have
known cases where someone conjured a lover to return only to lose
interest in the lover after all that work and send him away again. I
have known cases where the return of the lover led to a happy marriage.
Some of the spell-work involved in these reconciliation cases was simple
-- wearing a dressing oil scented with certain essential oils and herbs,
or dropping a bit of menstrual blood into one's ex-lover's food, for
instance -- and some of it involved complex rituals of candle burning,
invocations of spirits, or the manipulation of objects. In the latter
cases, the objects manipulated might be abstractly symbolic, such as
lodestones, or directly symbolic, such as doll-babies.
Circumstamces vary, individuals vary, styles of working vary, and
results will vary as well -- and such variation is true of ALL types of
human endeavour, not just spell-casting.
For an overview about reconciliation magic that covers a few of the more
common variations, and features some of my personal experiences as well,
please read:
Reconciliation: http://www.luckymojo.com/reconciliation.html
cat yronwode
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>spell
>> even if the reading says otherwise...lolol)
>
>Fine, charge me... You say the reading wasn't so bad, and what the heck, I'm
>more than willing to pay to have a chance at being not only with her, but
>there for her. Take my money, do the spell, and let me know what I have to
>do to help it all work.
>And if you don't think it'll work, go ahead anyway, you'll have some extra
>cah and I'll have something to hope
>for...
Again you missed the entire point. I told you to trust in the fact htat
everything would work out yet you keep wanting to fix it all "right now"! Did
you know that in Dr. Grey's book "Men are from Mars,Women are from Venus" he
explains a mans continual need to "fix things" when all women want is for them
to listen and give them time. I told you this more than once. I can;t in good
conscience take someones money for something that does not need doing in the
first place. I would be charging for a "magickal band-aid" and nothing more.
There are plenty of rip-off artists amd charlatans that would be more than
happy to charge you a small fortune for false hope that you need to get off
your ass and develop yourself! I am not one of those types that would/coul
really take advantage of someone in need like that. I gave you many, many
suggestions of things to do
while you wait for the course of events to transpire. I told you not to be so
hung up on time and just let her know you will be there for her. You both need
to grow up and get some psychological help if you think this is the end of the
world and the only reason you can drag yourselfs out of your beds are because
of each other.
You failed to mention to everyone that she was just getting off of a bad
marriage/divorce when you two hooked up as well. She never had time to greave
the lost of her bad relationship. YOu also never mentioend to everyone that she
has a 2 y/o child that is involved here as well. These are all very important
parts of the stroy that you are leaving out. The most important part. Her and
her child.
Do you now begin to see how self-absorbed you are being in wanting to speed up
the whole process of her healing. As like the other guy(s), I explained this to
you but it was not what you wanted to hear so here you are again instead of
doing what you should be doing. Biding your time and being there for her. A
little self illumination may not be a bad idea as well as you are suffering
from depression and need to seek help or grap yourself by the spine and get on
with your life with or without her.
Silvery
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message
news:20010503182019...@ng-fd1.aol.com...
> Again you missed the entire point. I told you to trust in the fact htat
> everything would work out yet you keep wanting to fix it all "right now"!
Did
> you know that in Dr. Grey's book "Men are from Mars,Women are from Venus"
he
> explains a mans continual need to "fix things" when all women want is for
them
> to listen and give them time. I told you this more than once.
OK, I see your point.. Just too pig headed and impatient.. :-(
I don't want to leave it too late, that was a mistake I made when I was with
her...
I can;t in good
> conscience take someones money for something that does not need doing in
the
> first place. I would be charging for a "magickal band-aid" and nothing
more.
> There are plenty of rip-off artists amd charlatans that would be more than
> happy to charge you a small fortune for false hope that you need to get
off
> your ass and develop yourself! I am not one of those types that would/coul
> really take advantage of someone in need like that.
I never saw it quite like that, I must admit... So you don't think it's
necessary to try and alter the situation, it will work out of it's own
accord (as long as I don't screw up and all that of course!)?
I gave you many, many
> suggestions of things to do
> while you wait for the course of events to transpire. I told you not to be
so
> hung up on time and just let her know you will be there for her. You both
need
> to grow up and get some psychological help if you think this is the end of
the
> world and the only reason you can drag yourselfs out of your beds are
because
> of each other.
Well I can't speak for her, she seems to be managing without me, and I guess
she's doing OK... But for me, I know I nee help.. And I'm looking into it
all... Believe me, I don't like being like this.. I want to love her, not
need her... Shame I can't find a doctors round here that's taking patients
on right now.. :-(
>
> You failed to mention to everyone that she was just getting off of a bad
> marriage/divorce when you two hooked up as well. She never had time to
greave
> the lost of her bad relationship. YOu also never mentioend to everyone
that she
> has a 2 y/o child that is involved here as well. These are all very
important
> parts of the stroy that you are leaving out. The most important part. Her
and
> her child.
Erm, I might have forgotten about the bad marriage (did I? Should've
mentioned it, can't think why I didn't) but as for the child.. erm, nope...
As far as I know she hasn't got any... *confused*
>
> Do you now begin to see how self-absorbed you are being in wanting to
speed up
> the whole process of her healing. As like the other guy(s), I explained
this to
> you but it was not what you wanted to hear so here you are again instead
of
> doing what you should be doing. Biding your time and being there for her.
A
> little self illumination may not be a bad idea as well as you are
suffering
> from depression and need to seek help or grap yourself by the spine and
get on
> with your life with or without her.
Well, I want to live my life with her... I guess I just have a need to see
things happening, to see things changing, to be doing something... I feel so
useless sat here like this...
If I could believe time would help take the pain away and bring us closer
together, then maybe I could wait.. It's just me being so pathetic needing
to try and mend what I've broken.. :-(
Sorry
Silvery
Jules
wwu...@aol.com (WWu777) wrote:
>
> I think you're right. Most people think that spells are something you do
> just
> once and then get the results. I think it makes sense to conclude that
> real
> spells take 7 or 9 days. After all, you put much more effort into those
> and
> they are longer in duration.
Well, "real" spells are quantified in time. You can do something real in
less than a minute, or spend a year. Equally valid. The point I'm making
is that kits do not success make.
>
> If it's all will, then why use any ingredients at all? Why not just sit
> down
> in an empty room and chant your wish all day? Wouldn't that work too?
No, it wouldn't. Are you a practicing witch, just out of curiousity?
Chanting day and night, without proper energy and intent will do nothing
more than tire you out and give you a sore throat. Again, my point was
simple. The intent behind the work gets things done.
>
> Also, the expensive kit I got from customvoodoo.com is different. You
> don't
> have to use any concentration at all. They've already done it for you.
> You
> just have to use the oils and powder on yourself. I don't understand how
> that
> can work if there's no directing of the energy involved. Do you?
<smile> So, they did all your work for you? Interesting. I don't believe
it, but interesting. See, when you sat down and started doing the
instructions, I bet you thought qbout your goal. Had a mental image of
what you wanted. That, my friend, is energy.
And are you 100% certain your girlfriend wouldn't have wanted to get
laid without the spell?
>
> I've called them a few times about this, and all they tell me is that I
> should
> just have faith and follow the directions and it should work since the
> spell is
> highly potent. What kind of magic is this anyway?
Questionable.
--
I read the book of Job last night.
I don't think God comes well out of it.
- Virginia Woolfe (1882 - 1941)
catherine yronwode
> I have found that what irritates me most lately is that I have had
> this onslaught of guys whining about their women leaving them.
> (Sound familiar?)
Yes. These things run in cycles. Some months it is all women wanting to
break up their exes new relationships, sometimes it is mothers wanting
their sons to quit hanging out with a bad crowd. Since January 2001, we
have DEFINITELY been in one of those cycles in which i get calls from
men with women problems -- but i have a feeling the tide will turn soon.
> I beleive that one should first try every means possible
> before they resort to magickal means but this is evidently not what
> Tthey want. hey instead want to weave some spell over them (the poor
> women) so they will not have to make the effort and it is
> irritating to have people (like that other goofball in here, for
> example) ask for advice and then totally ignore it.
Ah, yes, our resident leg-wanker.
Well, he's mild compared to the screaming long-distance-from-Taiwan guy
we had to deal with recently who threatened to kill his ex girlfriend
with a hammer unless we brought her back with magic IMMEDIATELY.
> Instead they come back whining and begging for help again and again
> and again. Sheesh! If they had put that much effort in the
> relationship, maybe it woudlnt have fallen apart!
Don't you just love the ones who, when you finally dig down below their
grief to learn what went wrong with the relationship, explain that "she
left because i was cheating on her"?
> One guy ,I did a reading on and the oulook for reconcilation was
> very posative if he communicated. I told him this but instead he
> would rather sit on his ass asking for a quick fix. They fail to
> realize that even with a spell these guys relationships are bound to
> fail once the affects of any magick wears off and they are forced to
> *gasp* learn to communicate to keep it going. They do not get
> it through their thick skulls that they have no put forth an effort
> to affect any lasting, worthwhile changes.
I know what you mean -- and this is true of women clients as well: many
of them want the person back but cannot understand that they will also
need to change the conditions that caused the person to leave in the
first place.
cat yronwode
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Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net
>and
>> her child.
>
>Erm, I might have forgotten about the bad marriage (did I? Should've
>mentioned it, can't think why I didn't) but as for the child.. erm, nope...
>As far as I know she hasn't got any... *confused*
>>
similarities are astounding! Sorry about that. :::grin::::
Silvery
Jo aka MoJoMoon.Net <peace...@aol.comgarbage> wrote in message
news:20010503235715...@ng-bg1.aol.com...
That's you off my christmas card list :-p
Silvery
WWu777
No I'm not. But I practice psychokinesis and OBE's. PK might be partly
responsible for why spells work.
>Chanting day and night, without proper energy and intent will do nothing
>more than tire you out and give you a sore throat. Again, my point was
>simple. The intent behind the work gets things done.
Yeah but are you saying that with proper energy and intent, and without any
magical ingredients, it would work just the same?
><smile> So, they did all your work for you? Interesting. I don't believe
>it, but interesting.
It is! Why don't you check out their site at www.customvoodoo.com and ask them
about it? lol
>See, when you sat down and started doing the
>instructions, I bet you thought qbout your goal. Had a mental image of
>what you wanted. That, my friend, is energy.
That was my question to them too! But they insisted that I just have faith and
not be so skeptical.
>And are you 100% certain your girlfriend wouldn't have wanted to get
>laid without the spell?
Of course not, who would be 100 percent sure about anything? But what happened
was very unusual and uncharacteristic for her. I know her very well because
I've lived with her for three years.
"Doubt everything or believe everything: these are two equally
convenient strategies. With either we dispense with the need for
reflection." - Henri Poincare
WWu777
>the use of magic. The length of time of the returns was variable -- from
>a few hours -- as in your leg-wanking case -- to many years.
But how long does it usually take though? I mean, my leg wanking case could be
the first sign of it working right? Why else do they say that it takes 3-27
days to get results? Don't spells work gradually, like plants growing? Who
says that they either work the next day or not?
>Reconciliation: http://www.luckymojo.com/reconciliation.html
Thanks, I read that several times over during my research into spells a while
ago.
WWu777
>
>Dopes like you that saw coincidences as postative effects? lololol
So everything you don't want to believe is a coincidence?
WWu777
>need "tech support" in computers -- and in magic too, i presume.
>
>cat yronwode
Huh? All beginners need some tech support, especially in esoteric things like
magic!
WWu777
>
>Why do you think that "self-promotion" is "unethical"?
I don't consider self-promotion to be unethical, as long as it's honest and not
misleading. Of course, there's a fine line there and advertisers often cross
it, as we all know.
>Sorry your mind is so disturbed right now. I recommend that you sit
>quietly some place in nature where there is no computer and no cars and
>no electricity for about three days.
Meditate? I can only meditate for ten minutes before my mind says "get me out
of this!" lol. Both my parents are Buddhists so I know a lot about meditation,
but just can't do it!
>Try to
>visualize a pleasing and productive way to spend the unknown span of
>time you will have between the leg-wanking and the death.
>
>Good luck.
Thanks, but can you get off the leg wanking? That is a common way for me and
her as a form of birth control. It's nothing to get hung on. We aren't hung
on it, so why are you? You ever hear about those two monks who met a woman and
one carried her, and afterward the other monk says "why did you do that" and
the monk who carried the woman says "I left her back there, why are you still
carrying her in your mind"? lol
WWu777
that ALL of us are a combination of good and bad traits. No one is a perfect
angel (at least not most people) and no one is all bad or all evil. So when
someone shows you 9 good things about themselves, and one bad thing, DON'T just
focus on the one bad thing and conclude the person is all bad? That is the
trap that negative critical judgemental people fall into! Reflect on this
behavior mindfully! As Buddha would say!
Endora123
>people
>> >abuse the privilege." <grin>
>> >
>>
>> Why,I beleive it was some hairy "bear" kinda guy or something...::grin::::
>
>Hehe, I wish i could take credit for it, but i read it somewhere some time
>ago. Damn! being honest is such a pain!
>
people
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>
>
Endora123
>>love spells we sell. Results are remarkable for both.
>
>Thanks, I'll check those out then. Do you have a testimonials page with real
>letters from real clients?
Oh my F&%@#ing LORD!!!! Hey buddy, if you were this annoying to that chick who
let u boink her leg, ain't NO spell gonna get yo woman back - geez, I'd chew my
arm off to get it out from under you if I woke up lying next to you after a
night of drunkenness...that's it, maybe she was drunk, that's why she let u
screw her. Get back on the Ridilin Winston
WWu777
>"talking & communicating" magic which is always the first thing I suggest.
Dear PeaceDawge, I hope you're not referring to me are you? Cause I did try
all the conventional methods first. I said all the right things, and lots of
sweet things and apologized for past mistakes etc. I said all kinds of things
that were more romantic and sincere than any Hollywood movie line. Spells are
a last resort for me. I'm sure for others, this is the case too. Of course we
try conventional methods first. That is the easiest way. Esoteric methods are
the next step.
Endora123
>a last resort for me. I'm sure for others, this is the case too. Of course
>we
>try conventional methods first. That is the easiest way. Esoteric methods
>are
>the next step.
That's probably why nobody likes u in here DOOFUS! You make a cursory attempt
at something that many people take very seriously and expect to just get your
wishes to come true and be on your way???!!!??! Really, do u honestly think
magick works like that? Whether u believe in God or gods or whatever u
believe is responsible for shifting that energy around when we dress and light
our candles, chant and make petitions for whatever it is that we want at the
moment - that THING doesn't just look down on some poor old dumb slob who is
using this as a "last resort" and say "ok, here u go pal, have fun and see ya
next time u need a favor!" It takes a lot of trial and error and boldness (are
u bold enough to get what u want at all costs? -- and I don't mean robbing a
liquor store or some stupid shit like that) to get good results from a spell
- and I'm not talkin' about no stupid crap someone slapped together and called
it a "love spell" to get u to buy their shit....If you're serious (but I know
you're not) get yourself a good book on herbs and roots, and start learning
what the meaning of these things are, and ask INTELLIGENT questions to people
who know more than u on the subject --- don't try to get them to do it for u!!!
and then, in time u can construct your own spells that will give u results --
or use spells from the internet -- hell I don't care....I am not the most
proficient conjurer, sorceress or whatever u wanna call me, but I know one
thing -- I dedicate myself to learning -- not just buying pre-packaged shit --
I started out with my book of magickal herbs and started using them to see
their effects....I like to learn things the hard way (because sometimes that's
the best way to learn) and I've had a lot freaky shit happen cuz I didn't know
how to harness the energy...I bought those crappy spells too, in the beginning
- but they didn't teach me nearly as much as rubbing Lotus oil all over me one
day and saying "I want some attentention from guys" did....try it sometime --
see for yourself what happens (hehehe...) The point is, BUTT HEAD ...you want
a quick fix and there just ain't no such thing, so off with your little magic
tricks and go bug someone else for a while unless u are serious about learning
something and not just using people in here in a desperate attempt to get your
girlie back.
XO,
Carol