Body, Soul, Spirit
robin-of-lox
characteristics. But are they really 3 different things, or are they
all one package?
Some think that Body is made up of physical+Growth life, Soul life is
Breath life, the part that gives us individuality and makes us who we
are, while Spirit life is an energy of some sort bestowed upon _some_
humans who have agreed to a certain set of beliefs by some Divine
being.
But that is a Biblical view of things, and I personally don't conform
to any of the world's religions.
Couldn't Everything have Body,Soul,and Spirit? What about things like
Elementals? They are certainly Spirit, the Spirit that lives in rocks
and trees and rivers and mountains and marshes.
And what part gets reincarnated? OK, not the Body physical, that goes
back to the Earth, but that is only once the "Growth life" is gone
from it. So what about that Growth life? Is it part of the Soul or
the Spirit? Or is there a difference?
Some believe the Earth is alive, a fully functioning, intelligent,
living, "breathing" entity known as Gaia. If this is the case, then I
would suspect that She, if anyone, would have Body, Soul, and
Spirit.
My cat has died and is now with me for the third time around during
this particular life of mine. So is that Soul or Spirit?
I am thinking that we have been fed a line of garbage, and that there
really isn't a difference. Anything to keep us separate from each
other, as people and as beings in general. If we can't see the Spirit
in everything, then we can tell ourselves that we are "superior" and
"better". Yet we hear over and over again that "All is One". If that
is the case, then One what? One Spirit.
One Spirit? I don't like that either. I am in no mood to be absorbed
by some massive glob when I die. I have no interest in becoming One
with the Universe. I like being an individual, with my own thoughts
and opinions and ideas. And I'd like to think that that individuality
remains, and continues throughout my lifetimes.
And after all my lifetimes? What then? Don't know.
Kind of got off track here, but it's a little weird trying to start a
conversation with no response, so I tend to ramble in these
situations. <shrug> Oh well.........
Robin
robin-of-lox
> robin-of-lox wrote:
> >In the Western world we tend to break up our beings into these three
> >characteristics. But are they really 3 different things, or are they
> >all one package?
>
> human.
>
> >Some think that Body is made up of physical+Growth life, Soul life is
> >Breath life, the part that gives us individuality and makes us who we
> >are,
>
> planet.
>
> Life creates an unique soul sphere around the planet. Planets without
> life lack these sphere. Souls are the carrier of the lifeforce.
Bound to the planet. Now that's an interesting thought. A very
interesting thought.
It has a vibration to it that excites something inside of me. I will
have to consider and live with this thought for a while and see what
comes of it within myself.
How did you come up with that? Was it something you were taught,
something you heard, something you came up with on your own?
>
> > while Spirit life is an energy of some sort bestowed upon _some_
> >humans who have agreed to a certain set of beliefs by some Divine
> >being.
>
> Spirit is spirit and has nothing do to with humans or their beliefs.
> We are one of the many possibilities in the universes to individualize
> spirits.
>
> A spirit associates automatically with a human soul before they enter
> a body to be born.
I'm not arguing, some of this is new to me. That's why I'm so curious
how you came up with this, what the process was for you. I've heard
some of this before, but never put together quite this way. I'm
finding it fascinating.
>
> The spirit, which is associated isn't generally a passive one.
> Sometimes it is active and the result is i.e. that the one searches
> for a world beyond the known physical, because he feels that there is
> more.
>
> The higher the level of life, the more intelligent it is. A frog is
> obviously more intelligent than a bacteria, and an ape is more
> intelligent than a frog.
>
> So it is not wrong to assume that a spirit is intelligent, too, and in
> accordance with his existence he has access to higher dimensions than
> we have. That leads to more possibilities than we have i.e. insight in
> the future and making decisions with that knowledge, like we make
> decisions for the route of a journey with a landscape in our hands.
OK, I think I get it.
>
> That implies, that the spirit is in the driver's seat and not the
> human mind.
This is the part that bothers me. I guess it has to do with my
compulsion to be an individual, and my obsession with not giving up
control to anyOne or anyThing.
>
> If you have an active spirit the result may be future telling and
> lucky opportunities far beyond of the possibilities of human
> calculations.
>
> That doesn't mean wealth and easy living. But it means a straight way
> "home" and no unsolvable problems.
>
> The advantage of an active spirit over a mental disease is that the
> life gets better and not worse no matter where you start.
>
> I.e it is not that a voice will tell you, to cut of your penis an feed
> it to the cat. Instead it will gently bug you to take some special
> action, when you want to wait instead, because your troubles seem to
> big.
"Cut of your penis and feed it to the cat." ROTFLMAO! That's one of
the funniest lines I've ever read. Thanks Arne, a sense of humor in
the midst of being serious is a technique of teaching that I can
appreciate.
>
> It seems to me, as if the spirit and the to be reincarnated soul has
> made something like a contract before they take a body and a fate,
> when the spirit is active. A spirit doesn't forces someone to do
> something by taking over his fate. Such a "contract" is an act of free
> will, which even spirits respect.
>
> Evil spirits would take over someone, But there are no evil spirits in
> this universe.
Fate. Hmm, do you mean Fate, as in predestined course that one has no
way to alter? Or do you mean Fate, as in an end goal that may or may
not be achieved as the individual chooses to live out their life this
time around?
I agree that Spirit is Spirit, neither good nor bad, it just is.
Similar to Energy, but with intelligence. Maybe. Now I'm not so sure
that there even _is_ Spirit. There is certainly Energy, all around
us, within us. It can be accessed by us and used with Intention for
intensifying our thoughts, therefore creating things like positive
outcomes, or shields of protection, etc.
You've really got me thinking, and stretching my brain.
>
> >But that is a Biblical view of things, and I personally don't conform
> >to any of the world's religions.
>
> Religions are usually far echoes of the once known truth. But they are
> necessary. Humans long for that, because they feel that there is more
> than matter. That longing is so strong that it could be used as a way
> to rule the people.
>
> >Couldn't Everything have Body,Soul,and Spirit? What about things like
> >Elementals? They are certainly Spirit, the Spirit that lives in rocks
> >and trees and rivers and mountains and marshes.
>
> There is a difference between the pantheistic God, which is all and
> everything, that exists, and the individuals.
Again, not arguing, but questioning. If there is/was such a thing as
a God that is All, etc., then where does individuality come from?
>
> >And what part gets reincarnated?
>
> I am not sure if there is a thing like individual reincarnation.
>
> >OK, not the Body physical, that goes
> >back to the Earth, but that is only once the "Growth life" is gone
> >from it. So what about that Growth life? Is it part of the Soul or
> >the Spirit? Or is there a difference?
>
> Body goes to matter. Soul goes after a while back to the local soul
> sphere, and the spirit goes back to spirit sphere.
>
> Every matter-related life is temporary. Only spirit is eternal.
>
> If you want "to survive" you have to couple your soul to the spirit
> when you die. Then you will be born as an individualized spirit in
> spirit sphere and that is the meaning of being a human.
Please tell me more about this "coupling". Is it something the Soul
or the Spirit chooses, or both? And if the Soul is "coupled" does it
then deplete the soul sphere if it goes w/the Spirit to the spirit
sphere?
And why would the spirit sphere want individual spirits in it? That
seems contrary to me. If spirit is ...... Maybe we need to
understand what Spirit is. Maybe we need to determine if we are both
using the term in the same way, or if we are both assuming the other
knows what we're talking about, but we're not quite really getting
what the other one means. Let's look at that in another thread, OK?
>
> >I am thinking that we have been fed a line of garbage, and that there
> >really isn't a difference. Anything to keep us separate from each
> >other, as people and as beings in general. If we can't see the Spirit
> >in everything, then we can tell ourselves that we are "superior" and
> >"better". Yet we hear over and over again that "All is One". If that
> >is the case, then One what? One Spirit.
>
> That is the pantheistic God. But we have nothing to do with him now.
> But that doesn't mean that we can ignore the laws, he set once in
> motion. But we have to do, what we have to do, of opinion and not
> because we are afraid of punishment or wrong-doing.
So you think there is a One God? Or was? And who says we have to
follow anyone's laws? Why? Especially if (as you suggest) that god
isn't our problem anymore.
If there was such a god, wouldn't that be equivalent to what you are
calling the Spirit Sphere?
>
> >One Spirit? I don't like that either. I am in no mood to be absorbed
> >by some massive glob when I die.
>
> Dead as normal human means that your threesomeness will be solved in
> its parts. You are an individual only as long as you are alive and the
> soul is coupled to a body.
>
> > I have no interest in becoming One
> >with the Universe.
>
> That will not happen. It is not like that.
>
> >I like being an individual, with my own thoughts
> >and opinions and ideas. And I'd like to think that that individuality
> >remains, and continues throughout my lifetimes.
>
> I am not sure about that, but I think, that parts of an individual
> soul will stay together and mixed then in a reincarnating human. That
> is it, what some make feel, to have lived once or creates this
> memories of past lifes.
>
This is especially interesting to me. At one time I had an epiphany/
vision about this very subject. What I saw was that the soul
"dissolved" in to a greater soul mass. But that sometimes enough of
one soul would be reincarnated, before it was fully dissipated
throughout the whole, and that was how memories and distinct
characteristics of a previous human's life were transferred to another
one.
It was as if a scoopful of soul was pulled out of the whole, and
poured into the body, and that there was no distinguishing or
determination of what particular elements were in that scoopful of
soul. It was all kind of automatic, with no intelligent or conscious
thought behind it. It just mattered that the amount of soul was more
or less constant.
It wasn't something I particularly believed, but the way in which the
information came to me gave it an intensity that has troubled me for
the past 20 years. It feels like "A" truth, but not necessarily "The"
truth.
> >And after all my lifetimes? What then? Don't know.
>
> That is easy to answer: Sometime in the future the mankind of this
> earth will find out that humans are vehicles to create individual
> spirits in spirit sphere, and how to do it in cooperation with the
> active spirit of the individual. It will start this century and take a
> few hundred years to go.
>
Ahh, as in the teaching that we are now beginning to change into
beings of the 4th and 5th dimensions, and that it may take a few
(small handful) of generations to completely evolve as a species.
Not the same, obviously, but a similar idea that NOW is the time that
change is happening, and that we are starting the process of
enlightenment and alteration in a way that has never been seen before.
Question: What is the purpose of individual Spirits? Why would such
a thing be needed/wanted in the spirit sphere?
> If we don't make it til there, means that mankind has killed or will
> kill hisself out of aggression and a soul sphere without opportunity
> to be reincarnated will rotate around a dead planet till the universe
> will collapse in a few hundred billion years. Hell will describe that
> best.
So if we annihilate ourselves our spirits will go to spirit sphere,
our souls will be trapped in soul sphere, and our planet will be
dead. And if the planet is dead then there is no chance for
reincarnation, because our bodies will not be able to live on a dead
planet?
What about the combined soul/spirits you were talking about? Will
they be able to reincarnate on some other planet?
>
> That's my actual point of view.
I'm certainly not arguing your point of view, I am fascinated by it.
I am really enjoying this conversation.
Robin