EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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On Sunday night, March 17, 1996, the Learning Channel aired a special
one-hour broadcast called “Incident at Roswell.” Many Roswell
eyewitnesses were interviewed, including Frank Kaufman, who had a most
interesting tale to tell.

During World War II, Kaufman was assigned to the Counter-Intelligence
Corps (CIC). The Army put him through specialized training designed to
turn him into a competent aviation mechanic and then “planted” him at
the new Roswell air base in 1943.

Why? Well, according to Kaufman, while facilities for the Manhattan
Project, i.e. the atomic bomb, were being constructed, Army radar
stations in Albuquerque, Los Alamos and Alamogordo regularly picked up
unidentified blips on their screens. These radar contacts began in
1942 and continued right up to the Roswell incident. Kaufman said the
UFOs “would hover two or three thousand feet in the air and then drop
like a stone, zip, right off the screen.”

Concerned about the threat to the Manhattan Project, the Army placed
several CIC agents at the Roswell base. When the report of a crashed
UFO came from Brigardier General Martin Scanlan on July 4, 1947,
Kaufman and his team of agents went out to the crash site, which he
described as “very rough country, no roads at all.” They found the
UFO, shaped like a man’s shoe heel, crashed into the wall of an
arroyo. The vehicle was split open, and the team found four dead
aliens...and one that was still alive!

Kaufman said the UFO was loaded onto a flatbed truck, brought back to
the base, and stored in Hangar 84, which had an armed M.P. platoon all
around it. The four dead aliens were laid out on a tarpaulin before
the ambulance took them to the base hospital for the autopsy.

Apparently, there’s a lot of information about UFOs in the U.S. during
World War II and the Army Air Corps response to the threat that
remains locked away in the Top Secret file cabinets.

Hagar

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EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942

All this proves, LipFlapper, is that people in the Military, who are
stationed
at desolate outposts, have the tendency to take a nip of 'shine now and
then,
which causes them to see things which aren't really there ... sort of like
the
"pink elephant" of myth.

Case closed.

Andrew W

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"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
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What about airforce pilots and senior military officials while they're on
duty or in flight?
Are you saying they were all drinking?
Can you drink and fly a fighter jet at the same time?
Can senior officials keep getting away with drinking while on duty?
What are you saying exactly?

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If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned enough.
If you believe something too much then you have the same problem.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Oct 23, 2009, 2:43:43 AM10/23/09

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On Oct 22, 7:37 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
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> > EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942
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> > All this proves, LipFlapper, is that people in the Military, who are
> > stationed
> > at desolate outposts, have the tendency to take a nip of 'shine now and
> > then,
> > which causes them to see things which aren't really there ... sort of like
> > the
> > "pink elephant" of myth.
>
> > Case closed.
>
> What about airforce pilots and senior military officials while they're on
> duty or in flight?
> Are you saying they were all drinking?
> Can you drink and fly a fighter jet at the same time?
> Can senior officials keep getting away with drinking while on duty?
> What are you saying exactly?
>
> --
> If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned enough.
> If you believe something too much then you have the same problem.

Ignore Hagar, he is your typical debunker, an 11-year old bed-wetter
whose time on Internet is limited by his Mommy to one hour a day.
Humor him is the best strategy for this useless eater.

Hagar

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Oct 23, 2009, 9:37:27 AM10/23/09

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
> news:u5Kdne5-t6bxSH3X...@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:0aefb444-3e61-4ac4...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942
>>
>>
>> All this proves, LipFlapper, is that people in the Military, who are
>> stationed
>> at desolate outposts, have the tendency to take a nip of 'shine now and
>> then,
>> which causes them to see things which aren't really there ... sort of
>> like the
>> "pink elephant" of myth.
>>
>> Case closed.
>
>
> What about airforce pilots and senior military officials while they're on
> duty or in flight?
> Are you saying they were all drinking?
> Can you drink and fly a fighter jet at the same time?
> Can senior officials keep getting away with drinking while on duty?
> What are you saying exactly?

What I'm saying exactly is that they are all hallucinating when they claim
to have observed Aleeun UFOs. Alcohol is a rather common cause for
this ... so is weed ... or magic 'shrooms ... take your pick.
However, show me one single piece of hard evidence, and I mean a piece
of metal not manufactured on Earth, a book with Alien hieroglyphs, an
irrefutable, non-photo-shopped close-up picture ... and I will gladly
withdraw
my first allegation ... But I know you just can't do it, neither can
LipFlapper.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Oct 23, 2009, 1:10:50 PM10/23/09

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On Oct 23, 6:37 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
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> >> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in

Yes, debunkers do hallucinate, that is the only possible explanation!

HVAC

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>Yes, debunkers do hallucinate, that is the only possible explanation!

Hi Sir Arthur!

My friends and I were having a discussion and I wonder if
you could help clear up a question we have.

I say you're gay and they say you're bi.

Which is it?

Thanks in advance!

Your bestest buddy, Harlow

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george

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Oct 23, 2009, 3:42:46 PM10/23/09

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On Oct 24, 2:37 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:

> What I'm saying exactly is that they are all hallucinating when they claim
> to have observed Aleeun UFOs. Alcohol is a rather common cause for
> this ... so is weed ... or magic 'shrooms ... take your pick.
> However, show me one single piece of hard evidence, and I mean a piece
> of metal not manufactured on Earth, a book with Alien hieroglyphs, an
> irrefutable, non-photo-shopped close-up picture ... and I will gladly
> withdraw
> my first allegation ... But I know you just can't do it, neither can
> LipFlapper

Holeflapper has as much idea about RADAR and its early development as
he has about any other reality.
UFOs are just that.
Unidentified Flying Objects and the early RADAR displays returned all
manner of errant signals.

As for aliens visiting Earth consider the distances and time required
to get anywhere.
Its all nonsense..

Andrew W

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"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message

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> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4ae116d1$0$6092$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
>> news:u5Kdne5-t6bxSH3X...@giganews.com...
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>>> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:0aefb444-3e61-4ac4...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>> EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942
>>>
>>>
>>> All this proves, LipFlapper, is that people in the Military, who are
>>> stationed
>>> at desolate outposts, have the tendency to take a nip of 'shine now and
>>> then,
>>> which causes them to see things which aren't really there ... sort of
>>> like the
>>> "pink elephant" of myth.
>>>
>>> Case closed.
>>
>>
>> What about airforce pilots and senior military officials while they're on
>> duty or in flight?
>> Are you saying they were all drinking?
>> Can you drink and fly a fighter jet at the same time?
>> Can senior officials keep getting away with drinking while on duty?
>> What are you saying exactly?
>
> What I'm saying exactly is that they are all hallucinating when they claim
> to have observed Aleeun UFOs.

And you base that on what exactly?
Are you a psychologist?
The individuals were interviewed and checked out in many cases by people in
the psychological field and to date there hasn't been one who had a tendance
for hallucinations.
Isn't it possible that you and others like you simply can't handle the
higher possibilities that the hundreds of ufo sightings and experiences
around the world every year are pointing to?

>
> Alcohol is a rather common cause for
> this ... so is weed ... or magic 'shrooms ... take your pick.
>

Those cases never get reported because the individuals know that they had
been doing that.
It think we would have heard by now if someone had reported something and it
was found that they had been drinking etc.
Don't you think?

>
> However, show me one single piece of hard evidence, and I mean a piece
> of metal not manufactured on Earth, a book with Alien hieroglyphs, an
> irrefutable, non-photo-shopped close-up picture ... and I will gladly
> withdraw
> my first allegation ... But I know you just can't do it, neither can
> LipFlapper.

Due to the secrecy, politics and war mentality in effect in this world, your
request would be rather hard to fill. You must understand this.
There is material evidence, but its in private and government hands. Its not
for public show.
However if you do some research and read the testimonies of the hundreds, in
fact now thousands of credible witnesses and experiencers from around the
world then you can form a picture of what's happening in this world.
Unfortunately that's the best that can be done at this time until the human
race evolves beyond its secretive, political and war like nature.
If you can't accept that then we can't help you.
What you can do right now is start by studying the military's secrecy
policies to get a handle on their motives and mentalities, and then move on
to looking at their hundreds and thousands of documents on ufo activity in
the past few decades.
Then you can look at all the testimonies including the ones by high ranking
officers etc. who have come forward.
Have a look at the disclosure project on youtube.

Andrew W

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Oct 23, 2009, 4:38:06 PM10/23/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 24, 2:37 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
>> What I'm saying exactly is that they are all hallucinating when they
>> claim to have observed Aleeun UFOs. Alcohol is a rather common cause
>> for
>> this ... so is weed ... or magic 'shrooms ... take your pick.
>> However, show me one single piece of hard evidence, and I mean a
>> piece
>> of metal not manufactured on Earth, a book with Alien hieroglyphs, an
>> irrefutable, non-photo-shopped close-up picture ... and I will gladly
>> withdraw
>> my first allegation ... But I know you just can't do it, neither can
>> LipFlapper
>
> Holeflapper has as much idea about RADAR and its early development as
> he has about any other reality.
> UFOs are just that.
> Unidentified Flying Objects and the early RADAR displays returned all
> manner of errant signals.
>

We already know about those. There were also signals of solid objects.

>
> As for aliens visiting Earth consider the distances and time required
> to get anywhere.
>

There's only a distance and time problem when we consider our own technology
and understandings.
Most ETs are thousands of years ahead of us in technology. Why would they
use our tech to get around space?
Even we humans now have new theories of how to get around the distance
problem.

>
> Its all nonsense..
>

Translation: I can't get my head around it all and I have little knowledge
about it.

george

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Oct 23, 2009, 6:51:07 PM10/23/09

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On Oct 24, 9:38 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> george wrote:
> > On Oct 24, 2:37 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> >> What I'm saying exactly is that they are all hallucinating when they
> >> claim to have observed Aleeun UFOs. Alcohol is a rather common cause
> >> for
> >> this ... so is weed ... or magic 'shrooms ... take your pick.
> >> However, show me one single piece of hard evidence, and I mean a
> >> piece
> >> of metal not manufactured on Earth, a book with Alien hieroglyphs, an
> >> irrefutable, non-photo-shopped close-up picture ... and I will gladly
> >> withdraw
> >> my first allegation ... But I know you just can't do it, neither can
> >> LipFlapper
>
> > Holeflapper has as much idea about RADAR and its early development as
> > he has about any other reality.
> > UFOs are just that.
> > Unidentified Flying Objects and the early RADAR displays returned all
> > manner of errant signals.
>
> We already know about those. There were also signals of solid objects.
>

Oh? And how do you differentiate between a 'ghost' and a solid
return ?

>
> > As for aliens visiting Earth consider the distances and time required
> > to get anywhere.
>
> There's only a distance and time problem when we consider our own technology
> and understandings.
> Most ETs are thousands of years ahead of us in technology. Why would they
> use our tech to get around space?
> Even we humans now have new theories of how to get around the distance
> problem.
>

Rubbish. Trot out the alien technology, the off world metals and the
aliens.
That's all it will take to prove that you are correct and I'm wrong...

>
> > Its all nonsense..
>
> Translation: I can't get my head around it all and I have little knowledge
> about it.
>

That's your translation and as such you are wrong which I suppose is
nothing new to you..

Andrew W

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Oct 23, 2009, 7:20:47 PM10/23/09

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Ask the trained radar operators. Do some research by getting info on what
the case analysts concluded from them.
I've heard the conclusions but I'm not going to do your homework for you.
Its up to you to make an effort to find what will help you to make up your
own mind.

>>
>>> As for aliens visiting Earth consider the distances and time
>>> required to get anywhere.
>>
>> There's only a distance and time problem when we consider our own
>> technology and understandings.
>> Most ETs are thousands of years ahead of us in technology. Why would
>> they use our tech to get around space?
>> Even we humans now have new theories of how to get around the
>> distance problem.
>>
> Rubbish. Trot out the alien technology, the off world metals and the
> aliens.
> That's all it will take to prove that you are correct and I'm wrong...
>>

I can't just 'trot' out the alien technology due to the fact that its in
military and private hands.
The military is not going to just put these things in museums. Can't you
debunkers understand that?
This world isn't ready for that kind of openness yet. It will probably be at
least a decade until we start seeing these things in museums.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's the way it is in this fear, power and
secrecy based world.
But what you *can* do is find and read the secret government documents that
have been trickle released over the years, and listen to the many
testimonies from credible military whistleblowers about the hardware that
*was* recovered.
Then you will begin to see the big picture starting to appear of what the
truth is.

>
>>> Its all nonsense..
>>
>> Translation: I can't get my head around it all and I have little
>> knowledge about it.
>>
>
> That's your translation and as such you are wrong which I suppose is
> nothing new to you..
>

No, you are wrong because what you're saying is totally different to what
the experts are saying.
The experts and scientists are not saying "Its all nonsense" are they?
Only you immature and uninformed debunkers are saying that because your
minds are now closed on the subject because nobody handed you the 'hard
evidence' on a silver platter as you sat in your comfortable armchairs.

george

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Oct 23, 2009, 9:40:57 PM10/23/09

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On Oct 24, 12:20 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>

I am not going to interview myself
Sheesh Why do you think I asked you

> > Rubbish. Trot out the alien technology, the off world metals and the
> > aliens.
> > That's all it will take to prove that you are correct and I'm wrong...
>
> I can't just 'trot' out the alien technology due to the fact that its in
> military and private hands.
> The military is not going to just put these things in museums. Can't you
> debunkers understand that?
> This world isn't ready for that kind of openness yet. It will probably be at
> least a decade until we start seeing these things in museums.
> I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's the way it is in this fear, power and
> secrecy based world.
> But what you *can* do is find and read the secret government documents that
> have been trickle released over the years, and listen to the many
> testimonies from credible military whistleblowers about the hardware that
> *was* recovered.
> Then you will begin to see the big picture starting to appear of what the
> truth is.

Okay. This secretive military is something that doesn't and can't
exist.

Just for one minute think of all the people in your neighbourhood who
have been in the military.
And those places where saucer nuts claim the 'Flying saucers' are
held.
Some-one must be guarding those sites, painting them, cleaning them,
replacing lightbulbs and so on.
The guards need feeding, housing, married quarters, pay, sickbays,
transport, supervising officers.

The short term enlistment in the US is about 3-5 years.
Then you have the same thing replicated in every other country
throughout the world.

By this time over the last 60 years the numbers of military who have
knowledge of this 'flying saucer' storage is in the hundred of
thousands worldwide yet only one or two 'whistleblowers'.... ?

As a bye.
In the military we had a rumour system called 'Scuttlebut' there
wasn't much planned that we didn't know before it happened.

Andrew W

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Oct 23, 2009, 10:21:47 PM10/23/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 24, 12:20 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>> george wrote:
>>> On Oct 24, 9:38 am, "Andrew W"
>>> <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>> george wrote:
>>
>>>>> Holeflapper has as much idea about RADAR and its early development
>>>>> as he has about any other reality.
>>>>> UFOs are just that.
>>>>> Unidentified Flying Objects and the early RADAR displays returned
>>>>> all manner of errant signals.
>>
>>>> We already know about those. There were also signals of solid
>>>> objects.
>>
>>> Oh? And how do you differentiate between a 'ghost' and a solid
>>> return ?
>>
>> Ask the trained radar operators. Do some research by getting info on
>> what the case analysts concluded from them.
>
> I am not going to interview myself
> Sheesh Why do you think I asked you
>

Were you present at all the radar sightings?
Have you at least spoken with several other radar personnel at airforce
bases and airports as well as experts?
How many?

>
>>> Rubbish. Trot out the alien technology, the off world metals and the
>>> aliens.
>>> That's all it will take to prove that you are correct and I'm
>>> wrong...
>>
>> I can't just 'trot' out the alien technology due to the fact that
>> its in military and private hands.
>> The military is not going to just put these things in museums. Can't
>> you debunkers understand that?
>> This world isn't ready for that kind of openness yet. It will
>> probably be at least a decade until we start seeing these things in
>> museums.
>> I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's the way it is in this fear,
>> power and secrecy based world.
>> But what you *can* do is find and read the secret government
>> documents that have been trickle released over the years, and listen
>> to the many testimonies from credible military whistleblowers about
>> the hardware that *was* recovered.
>> Then you will begin to see the big picture starting to appear of
>> what the truth is.
>
> Okay. This secretive military is something that doesn't and can't
> exist.
>

Huh? There's no military secrecy? You mean we can tell Russia and Iraq etc.
everything without any problems?
What exactly was the cold war?
UFOs were shoved under the military wing because that was when the war was
going on.
The first belief by the military was that UFOs were a new Russian or German
weapon.
Didn't you know that?

>
> Just for one minute think of all the people in your neighbourhood who
> have been in the military.
> And those places where saucer nuts claim the 'Flying saucers' are
> held.
> Some-one must be guarding those sites, painting them, cleaning them,
> replacing lightbulbs and so on.
>

They are. Just try getting into some of those facilities and you'll soon
know it.

>
> The guards need feeding, housing, married quarters, pay, sickbays,
> transport, supervising officers.
>

Where do you think a good percentage of your tax money has been going?
Ever heard of black projects? They are well documented.

>
> The short term enlistment in the US is about 3-5 years.
> Then you have the same thing replicated in every other country
> throughout the world.
>

That's the GIs.
Did you think that the GIs are all that exist in the military world?
You've obviously never heard of special ops., seals etc.

>
> By this time over the last 60 years the numbers of military who have
> knowledge of this 'flying saucer' storage is in the hundred of
> thousands worldwide yet only one or two 'whistleblowers'.... ?
>

Boy are you behind in this area.
Let me clue you in to some well known military phrases.
Chain of command, need to know, compartmentalisation, special projects.

And you thought that there was only one or two whistleblowers out there?
Lol!
And you think that we should be seeing all the whistleblowers on the six
o'clock news? Lol!
You need to do some serious research.
Watch the Disclosure Project on youtube to start with.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Disclosure+Project+&search_type=&aq=f

>
> As a bye.
> In the military we had a rumour system called 'Scuttlebut' there
> wasn't much planned that we didn't know before it happened.
>

Nearly every Dick and Harry who serves in the military thinks that they
"would have known if such and such was going on".
Lol!
Please educate yourself on how the military works and what lengths it goes
to to keep its secrets to a handful of very high ranking officers.

george

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Oct 24, 2009, 12:11:56 AM10/24/09

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On Oct 24, 3:21 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> Please educate yourself on how the military works and what lengths it goes

> to to keep its secrets to a handful of very high ranking officers.

You really don't know a great deal about the military do you...

Why not join up and find out how the military works.
They'll give you the top job if you join the Navy.
I'm sure you'll do well as Captain of the Heads....
And America isn't the only country in the world that has claims of
UFO's and nutters who claim their military have these vehicles stored
away.
Of course this is why we still have to launch rockets to get up to the
Space Station. All that alien technology works so well ...
Riiight..

Andrew W

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Oct 24, 2009, 1:11:57 AM10/24/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 24, 3:21 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Please educate yourself on how the military works and what lengths
>> it goes to to keep its secrets to a handful of very high ranking
>> officers.
>
> You really don't know a great deal about the military do you...
>

<guffaw>
Its you who shows a glaring lack of knowledge.
You don't know what you don't know.
Did you at least watch the Disclosure Project on youtube?
I bet you didn't. If not then its testimony of your ignorance.
We now have great information tools available to us and you don't use any of
them to find things out.
Like I said, every Dick and Harry who's been in the army thinks they know
everything there is to know about it.
It really sad the ignorance we have in the western world, and this is in the
21st century. Its a major shame.
Other countries are laughing at Americans.

>
> Why not join up and find out how the military works.
> They'll give you the top job if you join the Navy.
> I'm sure you'll do well as Captain of the Heads....
> And America isn't the only country in the world that has claims of
> UFO's and nutters who claim their military have these vehicles stored
> away.
> Of course this is why we still have to launch rockets to get up to the
> Space Station. All that alien technology works so well ...
> Riiight..
>

Lol. Yeah right.
Everyone nowadays knows the army is just a brain washing and personality
erasing station.
They turn you into a 'yes sir!' man and keep you ignorant of their agenda
which is to demonise, and then destroy and take control of other countries
and their natural resources.

And btw, they *are* using advanced technologies to go to space, but its a
parallel secret program along side the pathetic public NASA program.
That British hacker and many others found that out already.

george

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Oct 24, 2009, 4:06:44 PM10/24/09

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UFO's are Unidentified Flying Objects.
Once they are identified they become IFO's (Identified Flying Objects)

There are no alien spacecraft..

The first posters claims about early RADAR picking up UFOs shows that
his education on the subject has serious flaws.
One of the major problems of the early RADAR is now a major part of
every weather avoidance system.
CuNim clouds have vertical currents that can destroy aircraft.
These CuNims can be detected on RADAR by the water content of the
cloud and thus avoided.
However RADAR is unable to detect CAT (Clear Air Turbulence) because
there is no water content.
When RADAR was first used at sea the 'background' scatter of waves
caused many problems.

All this is nothing new and crazier posters have attempted to make the
same claims over the years.
In the years that I have followed the subject many claims as to how
the 'government' was going to admit alien visitation 'next year' and
how some-one had an 'alien implant' .
And the claims that the 'government' has 'Flying Saucers/Alien Flying
Vehicles' hidden away somewhere on some military establishment.
Yet in all the years these claims have been made no-one who has served
on these Bases has ever been found who 'knows' of these places.
In the military the squaddie sweeps out -all-the buildings on the
Base.
And I repeat:

Some-one must be guarding those sites, painting them, cleaning them,
replacing lightbulbs and so on.

The ranks need feeding, housing, married quarters, pay, sickbays,
transport, supervising officers.
You cannot hide all these people from the ordinary daily routines of O
R on the Base..

Andrew W

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george wrote:
> UFO's are Unidentified Flying Objects.
> Once they are identified they become IFO's (Identified Flying Objects)
>

As I have said, UFO is a generic term for this ever broadening set of
phenomena/cases.

>
> There are no alien spacecraft..
>

That's your uninformed opinion.
People have had close experiences with craft and their occupants.

>
> The first posters claims about early RADAR picking up UFOs shows that
> his education on the subject has serious flaws.
>

Yours has more flaws. If you refuse to look at any other related/supporting
cases then you will continue to look clueless.

>
> One of the major problems of the early RADAR is now a major part of
> every weather avoidance system.
> CuNim clouds have vertical currents that can destroy aircraft.
> These CuNims can be detected on RADAR by the water content of the
> cloud and thus avoided.
> However RADAR is unable to detect CAT (Clear Air Turbulence) because
> there is no water content.
> When RADAR was first used at sea the 'background' scatter of waves
> caused many problems.
>

The reports have the objects doing unusual sudden manurers which your
weather anomaly suggestions can't explain.
But unless you yourself saw those specific ones you cannot really comment on
them.
I'm sure you and others have seen radar anomalies in your time but those
were not these.
And its funny also how those specific weather phenomena only happened in the
1940's and mostly above military facilities.
But like I have said, we are not really that interested in the radar only
cases.
We are more interested in cases that coincided with visual sightings, or at
least displayed a high level of unexplainable behaviour.
The other thing is if there is any chance that a radar tracing is only
weather phenomena then why would the personnel bother reporting them in the
first place?
Radar personnel have better things to do than risk their employment
stability by reporting silly anomalies willy nilly. When they do make an
effort to make a report its always for a serious reason. That's especially
so with airline and fighter pilots.

>
> All this is nothing new and crazier posters have attempted to make the
> same claims over the years.
> In the years that I have followed the subject many claims as to how
> the 'government' was going to admit alien visitation 'next year' and
> how some-one had an 'alien implant' .
> And the claims that the 'government' has 'Flying Saucers/Alien Flying
> Vehicles' hidden away somewhere on some military establishment.
> Yet in all the years these claims have been made no-one who has served
> on these Bases has ever been found who 'knows' of these places.
>

Bullcrap. Scores of ex-insiders have come forward with testimonies of the
above things.
Its amply clear that you have not looked into any of this at all. All you
have is a set of peripheral opinions and explain-aways.
Are you ever going to take a look at the Disclosure Project video at least
so you have some clue about the officials who have come forward? If not then
this discussion is over.

>
> In the military the squaddie sweeps out -all-the buildings on the
> Base.
> And I repeat:
> Some-one must be guarding those sites, painting them, cleaning them,
> replacing lightbulbs and so on.
>

Yes they are.

>
> The ranks need feeding, housing, married quarters, pay, sickbays,
> transport, supervising officers.
>

Yes they do, and they are.

>
> You cannot hide all these people from the ordinary daily routines of O
> R on the Base..
>

Mostly they aren't hiding. Go to Area 51 and you'll see them. Go to Nellis
or Wright-Patterson Air Force bases and you'll see them.
Have a look at the videos taken of them by others. Read up about them. Study
Bob Lazars and other materials.
Get off your bum and actually make an effort. They won't come knocking on
your door to introduce themselves.

HVAC

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

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>>
>> There are no alien spacecraft..
>>
>
> That's your uninformed opinion.
> People have had close experiences with craft and their occupants.

So they say.

How about people who claim to have seen a ghost?
Do you just assume that they are correct?

--
The world will scream out, "Help Us!"

I'll answer, "No".

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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On Oct 24, 1:03 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> H. wrote:
> > "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote
> > in message

> >news:4ae23a52$0$5421$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

> >> george wrote:
> >>> On Oct 24, 9:38 am, "Andrew W"
> >>> <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >> Ask the trained radar operators. Do some research by
> >> getting info on what the case analysts concluded from
> >> them.
> >> I've heard the conclusions but I'm not going to do
> >> your homework for you.
> >> Its up to you to make an effort to find what will
> >> help you to make up your own mind.
>

> > OK smart ass. I am a trained RADAR operator from the
> > early 50's and it was impossible to tell what was
> > sometimes ghosts, weather or unknowns. RADAR has come
> > a long way in the last 50 years or so. New electronic
> > circuits now decrease spurious signals and concentrate
> > on what is important. There were some unexplainable
> > signals but that doesn't mean they were aliens visiting
> > from the nearest star system.
> > H.
>
> You are referring to the radar only cases. They were not given very much
> attention.
> The ones that were given far more attention were the radar traces that
> coincided with visual sightings by pilots or ground crew.
> Many of those objects flew around the planes at high speed and often went
> very close.
> You probably haven't heard much about those cases because you probably don't
> do much research in this area.
> I suggest you guys download some ufo documentaries from the torrent sites to
> see the more interesting cases.

>
>
>
>
>
> >>> That's your translation and as such you are wrong
> >>> which I suppose is
> >>> nothing new to you..
>
> >> No, you are wrong because what you're saying is
> >> totally different to what the experts are saying.
> >> The experts and scientists are not saying "Its all
> >> nonsense" are they?
> >> Only you immature and uninformed debunkers are saying
> >> that because your minds are now closed on the subject
> >> because nobody handed you the 'hard evidence' on a
> >> silver platter as you sat in your comfortable
> >> armchairs.
>

> > No dipwad. The experts are saying they don't know.
> > Which is much different from seeing alien spaceships.
> > H.
>
> But the experts are not saying that its all nonsense which is what I said.
> However, when you look at all the other cases where objects came up close
> and were clearly solid and in most cases silver metallic, then it leaves
> very few other conclusions than they are vehicles that have sophisticated
> propulsion systems, going by their high speed manurers and zero sound and
> exhaust, that are for more than just atmosphere travel.

>
> >> --
> >> If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched
> >> or questioned
> >> enough. If you believe something too much then you
> >> have the same
> >> problem.
>

> > If you believe, then you have a religion. Facts not
> > beliefs. Where are the facts?
> > H.
>
> A religion is when you believe something without seeing anything.
> This all started only because people including trained pilots started seeing
> objects doing things that physical object are not supposed to do.
> Facts, yes there are facts, but if you don't research this subject then you
> won't find any.
> Where have you been looking for the facts? On the six o'clock news? You
> won't find them there.

>
> --
> If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
> enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
> problem.

Don't try and reason with debunkers and spOOks such as "H"eroin. The
amount of proof regarding ETs and the corporate/military cover-up is
enormous. The debunkers days are over and they know it. I did
predict they would crack-up when the cover-up ended, and as usual I am
100% correct.

Although the debunkers numbers have decreased significantly, a few of
them refuse to surrender. The General will send a mop-up crew to
gather up the very few remaining truth-terrorist sometime in the near
future.

We may have to put them in a FEMA "care" facility for their own
protection.

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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"HVAC" <harlowc...@gmail.com> wrote in
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>
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
> message
> news:43b05709-3e78-4903...@w37g2000prg.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>>Yes, debunkers do hallucinate, that is the only possible explanation!
>
>
> Hi Sir Arthur!
>
> My friends and I were having a discussion and I wonder if
> you could help clear up a question we have.
>
> I say you're gay and they say you're bi.
>
> Which is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!

I say the Artie/Gary sock fucks goats.

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"Yes, I am wise, and its wisdom born from my superior brain!" - Edmond
"What Ego Problem?" Wollmann further deludes himself.

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Oct 25, 2009, 12:08:21 PM10/25/09

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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in

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> On Oct 24, 1:03�pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:

>> If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
>> enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
>> problem.
>
> Don't try and reason with

the Artie/Gary troll. Just keep laughing at the goatfucker.

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.

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Oct 25, 2009, 11:29:41 PM10/25/09

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On Oct 26, 3:02 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>

wrote:
> george wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 12:22 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Others however have found lots of evidence in the form of thousands
> >> of witness testimonies, official documents and videos of recovered
> >> hardware.
>
> > So produce the hardware that has been 'videoed' for testing.
> > Since you claim that it is in existence such a task should be easy
> > enough for you to accomplish
> > Or, like all woowoo claims, is this the point at which your claims
> > fail?
> > At the point where reality comes into the picture.
>
> You want *me* to produce the hardware?
> You want me to break into a military facility or private residence and steal
> items?
> Lol. You are rather naive.
>

It is your claim that this 'hardware' exists.
Therefore it is up to you to produce this 'Hardware' and prove that it
is what you claim it to be..
that's the way the world works.
You make a claim- you produce the evidence to back your claim- your
claim is accepted or refuted upon the strength of your evidence..

Andrew W

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Oct 25, 2009, 11:39:50 PM10/25/09

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Wrong. It is not my claim. It is the claim of hundreds of ex-insiders,
witnesses and researchers.

Andrew W

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Oct 26, 2009, 12:39:02 AM10/26/09

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But its fun exposing their gaping lack of knowledge in this area and hearing
their juvenile statements and assertions.

>
> Although the debunkers numbers have decreased significantly, a few of
> them refuse to surrender. The General will send a mop-up crew to
> gather up the very few remaining truth-terrorist sometime in the near
> future.
>
> We may have to put them in a FEMA "care" facility for their own
> protection.
>

I think that's a bit much. I think we should just let them rot in front of
their televisions with their beers.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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On Oct 25, 9:39 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>

wrote:
> Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. wrote:
>
> > On Oct 24, 1:03 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> > wrote:
> > Don't try and reason with debunkers and spOOks such as "H"eroin. The
> > amount of proof regarding ETs and the corporate/military cover-up is
> > enormous. The debunkers days are over and they know it. I did
> > predict they would crack-up when the cover-up ended, and as usual I am
> > 100% correct.
>
> But its fun exposing their gaping lack of knowledge in this area and hearing
> their juvenile statements and assertions.
>
>
>
> > Although the debunkers numbers have decreased significantly, a few of
> > them refuse to surrender. The General will send a mop-up crew to
> > gather up the very few remaining truth-terrorist sometime in the near
> > future.
>
> > We may have to put them in a FEMA "care" facility for their own
> > protection.
>
> I think that's a bit much. I think we should just let them rot in front of
> their televisions with their beers.

In a way you are right, it is fun to prove how idiotic the old spOOk
"H"eroin is or how sad the 9-year old bed-wetter Hagar truly is.

Debunkers are still a looming threat that MUST be dealt with. I hope
the General decides to start some indiscriminate bombing against
debunker strongholds! That would help ALL MANKIND!!

H.

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Oct 26, 2009, 1:58:58 PM10/26/09

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message

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What "recoverd hardware" list any here?
1.
2.
3.
H.

george

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Oct 26, 2009, 2:53:14 PM10/26/09

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On Oct 26, 4:39 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> Wrong. It is not my claim. It is the claim of hundreds of ex-insiders,
> witnesses and researchers.

Okay. So where is it?
if these people know that this evidence exists why haven't they
combined together and (for example) gotten a member into Parliament or
whatever legislature is in that country and asked questions?
I have been following the 'UFOs are alien spaccraft' for more than 40
years and all we have is 'lights in the sky' and claims of alien
abductions.
Never any actual solid evidence or fact just unsubstantiatd claims.

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Oct 26, 2009, 7:13:37 PM10/26/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 27, 8:35 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> That's what Dr. Steven Greer's work is all about. But you guys
>> refuse to
>> look at the video that explains it all called the Disclosure Project
>> video
>> and associated
>> interviews.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOeDyeU3lyMhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Disclosure+Project+&searc...http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=steven+greer&search_type=...
>
> How is a video evidence of anything except a video camera and people
> working with a script ?
>

What script are you talking about?
Its a conference which has retired military officials coming forward and
speaking about their knowledge and experiences.

>
> Just recently there were UFO sightings of a large round blob that
> reflected sunlight.
> Lo and behold there was a dirgible in the area at the same time.
> But no, according to the UFO alien buffs, it wasn't the dirgible that
> was seen.
> See how stupid their claims appear in the light of day.....
>

I can't locate that report.
Can you post a link to it?

Andrew W

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Oct 26, 2009, 7:17:36 PM10/26/09

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Are you prejudging it without even taking one look at what it presents?
If so then you have just fully revealed your ignorance and ego.

george

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Oct 27, 2009, 12:02:36 AM10/27/09

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On Oct 27, 12:17 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> Are you prejudging it without even taking one look at what it presents?

> If so then you have just fully revealed your ignorance and ego.
>

Fucks sake!
Setup 'conferences' with 'speakers' on guest panels.
Thirty year old drawings of the different types of aliens claimed to
be on Earth.
No photos.
Because if you have photos you have to actually have something even if
it is a crude fake.
Those web sites are nothing more than the same old same old. there is
no evidence of UFOs (which I remind you are Unidentified Flying
Objects)

Come back when you have something solid like an alien, his language,
his machinery or samples of his metals.

Andrew W

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Oct 27, 2009, 3:08:03 AM10/27/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 27, 12:17 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Are you prejudging it without even taking one look at what it
>> presents? If so then you have just fully revealed your ignorance and
>> ego.
>>
> Fucks sake!
> Setup 'conferences' with 'speakers' on guest panels.
>

What setup? What's your basis for claiming its a setup? None.
That's your ego and ignorance talking.
You don't know a thing about what's behind that conference.

>
> Thirty year old drawings of the different types of aliens claimed to
> be on Earth.
> No photos.
> Because if you have photos you have to actually have something even if
> it is a crude fake.
>

You obviously have no idea how difficult it is to take or obtain photos of
ETs.
I have seen some but they're rare and difficult to verify.

>
> Those web sites are nothing more than the same old same old. there is
> no evidence of UFOs (which I remind you are Unidentified Flying
> Objects)
>

Just because its hard to get one's hands on the evidence due to the politics
in this world you cannot make a flat out statement that there is no evidence
whatsoever.
You don't know what exists.

>
> Come back when you have something solid like an alien, his language,
> his machinery or samples of his metals.
>

We're not talking about a missing tourist here. Getting ones hands on
physical evidence of a being and his craft from another world is a major
dilemma in a world like this.
I can see that you have no idea how this political world works. This has all
been put under tight military control.
All we can do at this stage is look at the documented evidence and interview
the witnesses which there are hundreds.
If you're too lazy to investigate those leads because you want instant
satisfaction (which is ego) then I can't help you.

Andrew W

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Oct 27, 2009, 3:10:20 AM10/27/09

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I am looking for some good cases of recovered craft.
When I have some I will post them.

Meanwhile here's a photo of a craft recovered in Russia.
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/russiandisc.html

george

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Oct 27, 2009, 6:36:02 PM10/27/09

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On Oct 27, 8:10 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> I am looking for some good cases of recovered craft.

> When I have some I will post them.
>
> Meanwhile here's a photo of a craft recovered in Russia.http://www.burlingtonnews.net/russiandisc.html

I see that you have dropped your claim to be a sceptic.
That is a good start.
Now.
That photo is a setup.
Why?
A vehicle without an taildragger undercarriage is in a nose over
position.
The photo doesn't take in all the 'crash site', just enough to show
the 'vehicle' at an angle therefore it must have hit the ground.
The possibility that there is a supporting structure just out of shot
didn't occur to you?
Go away and look up aircraft crashes in Google especially the damage
to machine and ground.
Your claim 'that only the top brass in the military' know about these
IFOs (Identified flying Objects).
The first thing noticed with the blurry photos is a tank. With I
shouldn't doubt, a tank crew. Then there is the bystander who could be
anything, the phooto being so blurred and the photographer.

Fail

Andrew W

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Oct 28, 2009, 5:42:23 AM10/28/09

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Your opinions on the old Russian photo are noted. I just threw it in their
as a standby.
Myself I haven't got an opinion on it due to its age and the fact it came
from Russia.

I haven't had much time to find good articles but here's a couple that are
interesting.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2009/02/04

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case879.htm

Rex

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Oct 28, 2009, 1:56:52 PM10/28/09

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To summarize your responses so far- 'It's just way too difficult to
provide evidence, so you'll just have to bear with me and believe me!!'

I don't see how this is any different from the bible thumping religious
freaks who insist that Armageddon is around the corner and ask if you
have been 'saved'. Or the creationist lobby who insist that God created
the world in 6 days.
'Why's it true? Because I say so! Where's the evidence? You just gotta
have faith!!'
--

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Work is the curse of the drinking class."
-- Oscar Wilde

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Oct 29, 2009, 3:16:30 AM10/29/09

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Religion is believing things that allegedly happened a long time ago purely
on faith.
This is about events that happened fairly recently and are still happening
to credible individuals whom we can talk to.

See my other post this afternoon for a long list of credible witnesses and
researchers who's interviews I have.

Andrew W

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Oct 29, 2009, 4:17:05 AM10/29/09

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Who says it stinks? Only your ilk because you can't get your head around
higher concepts that even science is now discovering. That's the truth of
the matter. You attack what you cannot comprehend.
You are a dying group of dinosaurs who can't handle doing research in this
area because it hurts your brains, and so you just sit there slinging mud at
everyone who says anything that is beyond your narrow, materialistic and
conservative worldview.

And where do you get off saying that CoastToCoastAM is the "largest

collection of kooks and 'alien invasion' believers you could ever hope to

avoid"?
CoastToCoast is one of the most respected alternative radio programs out
there. It has one of the best screening and research procedures in the radio
sector. Their reputation and continued airtime depends on it. This is
because of the dedication that Art Bell and his team have put into place
over the years. You can say bad things about George Noory but Art bell is no
slouch. He never let just any Joe Blow on the air.

HVAC

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Oct 29, 2009, 9:11:37 AM10/29/09

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>
> Who says it stinks? Only your ilk because you can't get your head around
> higher concepts that even science is now discovering. That's the truth of
> the matter. You attack what you cannot comprehend.
> You are a dying group of dinosaurs who can't handle doing research in this
> area because it hurts your brains, and so you just sit there slinging mud
> at everyone who says anything that is beyond your narrow, materialistic
> and conservative worldview.
>
> And where do you get off saying that CoastToCoastAM is the "largest
> collection of kooks and 'alien invasion' believers you could ever hope to
> avoid"?
> CoastToCoast is one of the most respected alternative radio programs out
> there. It has one of the best screening and research procedures in the
> radio sector. Their reputation and continued airtime depends on it. This
> is because of the dedication that Art Bell and his team have put into
> place over the years. You can say bad things about George Noory but Art
> bell is no slouch. He never let just any Joe Blow on the air.

Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born sucker.

Things will go easier on you after that.

george

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Oct 29, 2009, 3:57:46 PM10/29/09

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On Oct 30, 2:11 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born sucker.
>
> Things will go easier on you after that

Well he can't say he hasn't been told...
I forgot that people can be so gullible

Andrew W

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Oct 29, 2009, 4:36:39 PM10/29/09

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Fact according to who?

george

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:04:28 PM10/29/09

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On Oct 29, 11:19 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

george

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Oct 29, 2009, 7:11:31 PM10/29/09

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On Oct 29, 9:17 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> And where do you get off saying that CoastToCoastAM is the "largest

> collection of kooks and 'alien invasion' believers you could ever hope to
> avoid"?
> CoastToCoast is one of the most respected alternative radio programs out
> there. It has one of the best screening and research procedures in the radio
> sector. Their reputation and continued airtime depends on it. This is
> because of the dedication that Art Bell and his team have put into place
> over the years. You can say bad things about George Noory but Art bell is no
> slouch. He never let just any Joe Blow on the air.

Yeah. Riiight.
Have you ever listened to the show?
Or just looked at the webpage where the 'contributors' and their
subjects are listed?
For example:

10 pm - 2 am PT
Swine Flu, Cosmic Rays, & UFOs
Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe will discuss H1N1 (Swine
Flu), cosmic rays, Jupiter’s Moon, and a videotape from England of an
aerial craft that appears to be lifting a large animal.

Or if thats not wacky enough how about:

Wednesday - Oct 28, 2009
Spirits and the Paranormal

Celebrated actor and businessman Dan Aykroyd was joined by his father
Peter Aykroyd, the author of A History of Ghosts, to discuss their
family's interest in the paranormal, which has spanned four
generations. Peter's grandfather Samuel was a spiritualist in
Kingston, Ontario. As part of a group known as "Dr. Aykroyd's Circle,"
they met regularly with a trance medium.

Andrew W

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george wrote:
> On Oct 29, 9:17 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> And where do you get off saying that CoastToCoastAM is the "largest
>> collection of kooks and 'alien invasion' believers you could ever
>> hope to avoid"?
>> CoastToCoast is one of the most respected alternative radio programs
>> out there. It has one of the best screening and research procedures
>> in the radio sector. Their reputation and continued airtime depends
>> on it. This is because of the dedication that Art Bell and his team
>> have put into place over the years. You can say bad things about
>> George Noory but Art bell is no slouch. He never let just any Joe
>> Blow on the air.
>
> Yeah. Riiight.
> Have you ever listened to the show?
>

What do you mean have I ever listened to the show?
Hundreds of times. And that's only one of about fifty different sources I
have.
Where do you get your information from? The tv, newspapers and magazines?
I hope not.

>
> Or just looked at the webpage where the 'contributors' and their
> subjects are listed?
> For example:
>
> 10 pm - 2 am PT
> Swine Flu, Cosmic Rays, & UFOs
> Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe will discuss H1N1 (Swine
> Flu), cosmic rays, Jupiter's Moon, and a videotape from England of an
> aerial craft that appears to be lifting a large animal.
>

And your problem is?

>
> Or if thats not wacky enough how about:
>
> Wednesday - Oct 28, 2009
> Spirits and the Paranormal
>
> Celebrated actor and businessman Dan Aykroyd was joined by his father
> Peter Aykroyd, the author of A History of Ghosts, to discuss their
> family's interest in the paranormal, which has spanned four
> generations. Peter's grandfather Samuel was a spiritualist in
> Kingston, Ontario. As part of a group known as "Dr. Aykroyd's Circle,"
> they met regularly with a trance medium.
>

Who's saying that these things are wacky?

F.Y.I.
Scientists are not having a problem with these concepts any more. Apparently
only you and a few other dinosaurs are.

george

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On Oct 30, 1:25 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> F.Y.I.

> Scientists are not having a problem with these concepts any more. Apparently
> only you and a few other dinosaurs are.
>

Not out here in the real world they're not.
Science demands evidence, evidence that can be tested.
Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and alien
invasions come under?
Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the dark?
Out of focus photos and thrown hubcaps don't get far when the
scientific method is applied..
So which 'scientific' field does your 'favorite' radio station
incorporate?
Playing to the gullible is -not- a science

Andrew W

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Oct 30, 2009, 2:08:46 AM10/30/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 30, 1:25 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> F.Y.I.
>> Scientists are not having a problem with these concepts any more.
>> Apparently only you and a few other dinosaurs are.
>>
>
> Not out here in the real world they're not.
>

Sorry, but yes they are. About 70% of the population now believes and is
interested in metaphysical concepts and whether there is extraterrestrial
life.
Science is now going in that direction. Just ask Dr. Michio Kaku and many
others.

>
> Science demands evidence, evidence that can be tested.
>

That's one form of science. There are many. Science is basically about
discovery and understanding our world and beyond.

>
> Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and alien
> invasions come under?
>

I'd be glad to.
Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology, exopaleontology,
bioastronomy and exopoloitics.
As for alien invasion, that's not going to happen. The military already
determined that the ETs are not a threat to us.

>
> Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the dark?
>

Cerealogy.
And no, humans did not and could not have made *all* of the 6,000 or so
complex crop circles around the world.
They did however make some for fun.

>
> Out of focus photos and thrown hubcaps don't get far when the
> scientific method is applied..
> So which 'scientific' field does your 'favorite' radio station
> incorporate?
>

Many.

>
> Playing to the gullible is -not- a science
>

Now, answer my question.
Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?

Andrew W

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george wrote:
>

Have a look at this dramatic night vision footage of a large triangle flying
across the sky and see what you think.
And you'll notice that its not fuzzy and out of focus.
http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2009/10/exopolitics-greer-makes-disclosure-plea.html

HVAC

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>>
>>
>> Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born sucker.
>>
>> Things will go easier on you after that.
>>
>
> Fact according to who?

Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.

You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
we can expect more of the same in the future.

*I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
that you *acted* like a rube.

HVAC

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

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>
> Who's saying that these things are wacky?

(Awkward silence)

> F.Y.I.
> Scientists are not having a problem with these concepts any more.
> Apparently
> only you and a few other dinosaurs are.

Please list 5 of these 'scientists'.

I'll wait right here.

--
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain

HVAC

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Oct 30, 2009, 8:23:08 AM10/30/09

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

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>>
>> Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and alien
>> invasions come under?
>>
>
> I'd be glad to.
> Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology, exopaleontology,
> bioastronomy and exopoloitics.

These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.

In the real world of science, all those subjects come
under the heading of 'bullshit'.

>> Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the dark?
>>
>
> Cerealogy.

Hahahahahahaha! Why not Cornflakesology ?

> Now, answer my question.
> Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?

(More awkward silence)

george

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Oct 30, 2009, 3:34:09 PM10/30/09

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On Oct 30, 7:16 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> george wrote:
>
> Have a look at this dramatic night vision footage of a large triangle flying
> across the sky and see what you think.

> And you'll notice that its not fuzzy and out of focus.http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2009/10/exopolitics-g...

Of course it isn't out of focus or fuzzy.
Had it been you wouldn't have posted the link.
However it -is- heavily edited and the 'triangle isn't solid but a
group of lights that are moving at around the same speed as the
airliner pointed out at the beginning of the video.
My guess is that it is a software artifact.

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HVAC wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4aea328a$0$1779$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> Who's saying that these things are wacky?
>
> (Awkward silence)
>

Only you guys. That's who.

>
>> F.Y.I.
>> Scientists are not having a problem with these concepts any more.
>> Apparently
>> only you and a few other dinosaurs are.
>
>
> Please list 5 of these 'scientists'.
>
> I'll wait right here.
>

Just off the top of my head regading the metaphysical sciences field there
is -
Albert Einstein
Dr. Micho Kaku
Dr Bruce Lipton
Greg Braden
Among the earliest in the metaphysical sciences was Aristotle.

Among the scientific ufo field is -
Prof. John Mack (late)
J. Allen Hynek
Dr. Micho Kaku to some extent
Dr Kevin Randle
And more.
The list I posted the other day has others, plus there are further ones I
could dig up.

Andrew W

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Oct 30, 2009, 9:01:07 PM10/30/09

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george wrote:
> On Oct 31, 1:23 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4aea82ef$0$5419$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and
>>>> alien invasions come under?
>>
>>> I'd be glad to.
>>> Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology,
>>> exopaleontology, bioastronomy and exopoloitics.
>>
>> These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
>
>
> And the total results from his 'scientific' fields reach all the way
> up to nothing :-)
>

No. That was your head you just described. :-)
See I do have a sense of humour.

>
>> In the real world of science, all those subjects come
>> under the heading of 'bullshit'.
>>
>>>> Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the
>>>> dark?
>>
>>> Cerealogy.
>>
>> Hahahahahahaha! Why not Cornflakesology ?
>>
>>> Now, answer my question.
>>> Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?
>>
>> (More awkward silence)
>
> I have a feeling that he should be confronting religious nutters
> instead of having to present fact here.
>

Already done that.

Andrew W

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Oct 30, 2009, 9:12:35 PM10/30/09

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Editing doesn't really affect its credibility because uploads to youtube
have to be as small and succinct as possible.
And the object could well be solid. With the perfect uniformity and constant
perfect spacing I would say yes.
We don't have the technology to keep separate objects that precisely
together.
Anyway your opinion is appreciated and noted.

HVAC

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Oct 31, 2009, 9:16:12 AM10/31/09

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

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>>>>
>>>> Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born
>>>> sucker. Things will go easier on you after that.

>> Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.
>>
>
> No. Its only fact according to closed minded conservative materialist
> debunkers like yourself and loudmouthed public debunkers who only believe
> the mainstream hard science fraternity and the government and military
> disinformation campaigns for which there is proof by the way.

Suggest my definition of 'proof' is slightly more conservative
than yours, since I require real proof....Not bullshit.

> I have taken in vast amounts of properly checked out information over the
> last ten years or so from hundreds of credible sources.

Proof. That's all I want. I don't care if you line up a million
witnesses including Jesus Horatio Christ himself, because
in scientific terms those million witnesses equal exactly squat.

>> You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
>> we can expect more of the same in the future.
>>
>
> I've done considerably more research since then.
> You make assumptions about me based entirely on your closed minded beliefs
> that only what the government and some old school scientists say is true
> about ufos is actually the real truth and that the average individual
> *can't possibly* be right.

Hello? Can you fucking hear me?

I want PROOF.

> You're the sucker, because you can't get your head around metaphysical
> concepts

Definition: metaphysics

a.. speculation upon questions that are unanswerable
a.. to scientific observation, analysis, or experiment.

There you have it. What you are doing is SPECULATING.

That's fine, speculate away. Just don't expect me to accept
as fact the bullshit that you speculate about.

> so you just believe and propagate everything the government says.

Well now, Obama wouldn't lie to us would he?
He said his government would be 'transparent'.

> You guys are what the Russian governments used to call useful idiots. You
> bark loudly like vicious dogs and hope that everyone just runs away
> yelping so that you can remain supreme ruler of these groups. Pure ego.

Wow! The Russians were talking about me and this group?

>> *I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
>> that you *acted* like a rube.
>>
>
> You don't know anything about me or what I know. Unless of course you work
> for the government that is.

How long are you paranoid conspiracy kooks gonna ride THAT scooter?

> Its pretty telling that you've been in these groups nearly every day for
> at about ten years.
> You're either an unemployed bitter researcher who never found what he was
> looking for, or a you're spook.

I hereby deny working directly for the
government of the United States of America.

Glad we got THAT settled.

HVAC

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Oct 31, 2009, 9:36:31 AM10/31/09

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

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>>
>> These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
>>
>> In the real world of science, all those subjects come
>> under the heading of 'bullshit'.
>>
>
> Sorry, but those subjects are being studied by respected people.

Like Hoagland? (snarf)

> Just because you can't handle those concepts...
> The earth being round and rotating around the sun used to be considered
> very fringe.

Yet it was science that discovered this. Using scientific methods.

NOT metaphysics.

> So did going to the moon.

Yet it was science that got us there. Using scientific methods.

NOT metaphysics.

> They are now fact.
> You guys still continue to cling to the old school hard science attitudes.

These 'hard science attitudes' has allowed us to move out of
the dark ages of pseudo-science, superstition and 'metaphysics'.

> That's getting very old.
> The facts regarding ufos is unfortunately going to take a bit longer to
> come out due to the very sticky military secrecy and politics issues.
> The problem here is you guys only believe in the physical methodical
> sciences. That's only 50% of the science field. The other 50% is the
> metaphysical sciences. That's the new emerging science model.

I hope not. Not in this country anyway. Those who allow religion and
metaphysics to cloud the truth will eventually be Darwined out.

They will be tossed into the scrapheap of history, along with those who
pray for god to change the weather and those who rattle beads to ward
off evil spirits.

--
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."

george

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On Nov 1, 2:36 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hope not. Not in this country anyway. Those who allow religion and
> metaphysics to cloud the truth will eventually be Darwined out.
>
> They will be tossed into the scrapheap of history, along with those who
> pray for god to change the weather and those who rattle beads to ward
> off evil spirits.

Religion demands its adherants believe ten (or more) impossible things
before breakfast.
Failure to do so gets them offside with the sect leaders who threaten
the questioners with no heaven.
This belief system transports itself into the various consspiracy
theories doing the rounds.
And of course this 'aliens in UFOs'

It is science we have to thank for extended lifetimes, for all the
technology we enjoy.
Religion gives hatred, mistrust, ignorance and bigotry and has
advanced humanity not one whit.

george

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On Oct 31, 1:53 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:

> Just off the top of my head regading the metaphysical sciences field there
> is -
> Albert Einstein

Appeal to authority. Mistaking his quotes as science
> Dr. Micho Kaku

Theoretical multiuniverse claims
> Dr Bruce Lipton

Kook. Makes the claim that red blood cells have a nucleus

> Greg Braden
Gregg Braden (Greg Braden) uses spurious science and contrived
biblical references to back up his spiritual theories.

> Among the earliest in the metaphysical sciences was Aristotle.

Before Aristotle (and some claim well after) there was no scientific
method and therfore no science.

>
> Among the scientific ufo field is -
> Prof. John Mack (late)

Believed in tales of alien abduction.
> J. Allen Hynek
Was consultant astronomer to Project Bluebook. Obsessed

> Dr. Micho Kaku to some extent

The possibility of mutliuniverses doesn't mean little green men.
You've mentioned him twice
> Dr Kevin Randle
Conspiracy kook. Buyabook

> And more.
> The list I posted the other day has others, plus there are further ones I
> could dig up.

Yes and all of them will have the same or lesser credentials than
those you have already posted

Andrew W

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HVAC wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4aeb7234$0$6092$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born
>>>>> sucker. Things will go easier on you after that.
>>> Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.
>>>
>>
>> No. Its only fact according to closed minded conservative materialist
>> debunkers like yourself and loudmouthed public debunkers who only
>> believe the mainstream hard science fraternity and the government
>> and military disinformation campaigns for which there is proof by
>> the way.
>
>
> Suggest my definition of 'proof' is slightly more conservative
> than yours, since I require real proof....Not bullshit.
>

'Bullshit' is your rube like opinion.

>
>> I have taken in vast amounts of properly checked out information
>> over the last ten years or so from hundreds of credible sources.
>
>
> Proof. That's all I want. I don't care if you line up a million
> witnesses including Jesus Horatio Christ himself, because
> in scientific terms those million witnesses equal exactly squat.
>

That kind of proof is not possible yet with the military/political world we
still live in.
If you can't understand that and you're too lazy to find out like most of us
already have then I can't help you.

>
>>> You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
>>> we can expect more of the same in the future.
>>>
>>
>> I've done considerably more research since then.
>> You make assumptions about me based entirely on your closed minded
>> beliefs that only what the government and some old school scientists
>> say is true about ufos is actually the real truth and that the
>> average individual *can't possibly* be right.
>
>
> Hello? Can you fucking hear me?
>
> I want PROOF.
>

How about a lollypop kiddy?
Grow up.
I'd like to see proof too but we can't yet.

>
>
>> You're the sucker, because you can't get your head around
>> metaphysical concepts
>
>
> Definition: metaphysics
>
> a.. speculation upon questions that are unanswerable
> a.. to scientific observation, analysis, or experiment.
>
> There you have it. What you are doing is SPECULATING.
>
> That's fine, speculate away. Just don't expect me to accept
> as fact the bullshit that you speculate about.
>

Definition: metaphysics

1. the branch of philosophy that treats of first principles, includes
ontology and cosmology, and is intimately connected with epistemology.
2. philosophy, esp. in its more abstruse branches.
3. the underlying theoretical principles of a subject or field of inquiry.
4. (initial capital letter, italics) a treatise (4th century b.c.) by
Aristotle, dealing with first principles, the relation of universals to
particulars, and the teleological doctrine of causation.

Metaphysics is basically anything beyond the pure physical/material, which
science is now progressing on to.

>
>
>> so you just believe and propagate everything the government says.
>
>
> Well now, Obama wouldn't lie to us would he?
>

Are you serious? Obama is a politician. Politician are puppets. He has
already gone back on many if not all of his promises.
Every president has, and will continue to do so until the sheeple wake up
and replace the current bullshit political structure.

>
> He said his government would be 'transparent'.
>

Excuse me? Since when do you believe anything a politician says?
A politician will say anything to get elected. They're much like high
profile car salesman. Once the deal is done its back to the old policies
after a bit of re-heating and recycling.
You Americans are such dupes. The rest of the world is laughing at you all.
You had one president that had been a movie star (Reagan), the last was
barely literate.
Your presidency is a joke. Your elections are nothing but expensive
popularity contests.

>
>
>> You guys are what the Russian governments used to call useful
>> idiots. You bark loudly like vicious dogs and hope that everyone
>> just runs away yelping so that you can remain supreme ruler of these
>> groups. Pure ego.
>
>
> Wow! The Russians were talking about me and this group?
>

No silly. But the expression has become rather useful for how the govt. and
military uses ignorant debunkers to turn the public against each other.

>
>>> *I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
>>> that you *acted* like a rube.
>>>
>>
>> You don't know anything about me or what I know. Unless of course
>> you work for the government that is.
>
>
> How long are you paranoid conspiracy kooks gonna ride THAT scooter?
>

There's a lot you still need to learn about governments and military
secrets.
I can't believe its the 21st century, its the information age with the
internet, and there are still so many ignorant people in the world.
Its shameful. I guess you're just part of the older generation who can't
keep up with the fast changing modern age.

>
>> Its pretty telling that you've been in these groups nearly every day
>> for at about ten years.
>> You're either an unemployed bitter researcher who never found what
>> he was looking for, or a you're spook.
>
>
> I hereby deny working directly for the
> government of the United States of America.
>
>
> Glad we got THAT settled.
>

Ok.
You said 'directly'. Not sure what that means.

Andrew W

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HVAC wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4aeb8067$0$6093$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>

>> Just because you can't handle those concepts...
>> The earth being round and rotating around the sun used to be
>> considered very fringe.
>
>
> Yet it was science that discovered this. Using scientific methods.
>
> NOT metaphysics.
>

Most of what makes planets and stars rotate and stay together (gravity etc)
is metaphysics (beyond the physical).
Einstein and others used metaphysics.
Goes to show how little you know about everything.

>
>> So did going to the moon.
>
>
> Yet it was science that got us there. Using scientific methods.
>
> NOT metaphysics.
>
>
>> They are now fact.
>> You guys still continue to cling to the old school hard science
>> attitudes.
>
>
> These 'hard science attitudes' has allowed us to move out of
> the dark ages of pseudo-science, superstition and 'metaphysics'.
>

And yet science is moving more and more towards metaphysics with quantum
mechanics to name just one area.
I can see that you don't know much about what metaphysics means or entails.
Please come back after you have educated yourself.

>
>
>> That's getting very old.
>> The facts regarding ufos is unfortunately going to take a bit longer
>> to come out due to the very sticky military secrecy and politics
>> issues. The problem here is you guys only believe in the physical
>> methodical
>> sciences. That's only 50% of the science field. The other 50% is the
>> metaphysical sciences. That's the new emerging science model.
>
>
> I hope not. Not in this country anyway. Those who allow religion and
> metaphysics to cloud the truth will eventually be Darwined out.
>
> They will be tossed into the scrapheap of history, along with those
> who pray for god to change the weather and those who rattle beads to
> ward off evil spirits.
>

Oh brother. The ignorance.
Sorry, but many of the scientists moving into this field are in America. I
listed some.
You and george etc. are still living in the fifties.

Andrew W

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Oct 31, 2009, 10:24:48 PM10/31/09

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Dumb American.

vtcapo

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Oct 31, 2009, 10:55:11 PM10/31/09

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On Oct 31, 10:24 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>

George is exactly that, one of those dumb Americans. He has absolutely
nothing to offer unless it comes out of a book. He doesn't do any UFO
or para-normal research and acts like he's an expert. I've dismissed
him just like Tholen. He is most likely gov'mnt cheese. Bought and
paid for.......

RT

BradGuth

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Nov 1, 2009, 1:57:51 AM11/1/09

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99.9% of Usenet/newsgroup contributors are either political or faith-
based spooks and moles (always cloaked as pretend-Atheists and social/
political Independents) that somehow manage to know all there is to
know.

I used to have a parrot that did pretty much the exact same thing.

~ BG

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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On Oct 22, 6:37 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
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> "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
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> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
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> > EX-GI CLAIMS THE ARMY TRACKED UFOs ON RADAR AS EARLY AS 1942
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> > All this proves, LipFlapper, is that people in the Military, who are
> > stationed
> > at desolate outposts, have the tendency to take a nip of 'shine now and
> > then,
> > which causes them to see things which aren't really there ... sort of like
> > the
> > "pink elephant" of myth.
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> > Case closed.
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> What about airforce pilots and senior military officials while they're on
> duty or in flight?
> Are you saying they were all drinking?
> Can you drink and fly a fighter jet at the same time?
> Can senior officials keep getting away with drinking while on duty?
> What are you saying exactly?

Don't try and reason with the debunkers, they have no use for
civilized discussions.

It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that debunkers fall into
3 main categories:

#1) Burned-out retired intel, agents such as "H"eroin, O-BORG, and
Borsch;
#2) Drunkards and drug-addicts such as Cujo, Sludge and Twit;
#3) Mentally retarded kids who are confined to their cells, such as
Hagar, U-Bob and Wider Sham.

These mental midgets are easily dismissed and are of no use to
civilized society. In the near future we can just toss them into a
nice new FEMA camp, for their own protection!

As of now, debunkers are BANNED from these newsgroups, but we may let
them post so we can monitor their truth-terror activities.

Sir ARtiØ

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Nov 1, 2009, 7:21:48 AM11/1/09

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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
news:c871b4ad-70e9-41be...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

I claim ownership of the Artie/Gary sock.

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alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
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talking like Mickey Mouse while wearing panties on his head." - Phoenix
describing Ed "Pantyhead" Wollmann in one sentence.

Andrew W

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Still stuck on page one. Lol.