troubled times
Robert
will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event will
be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by modern
man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year
orbit around the sun.
The ancient's called this monster the 12th Planet, and as this magnetic
giant passes by, it will force our North and South Poles to rotate 90
degrees. The shifting poles will drag the Earth's crust with them,
ultimately producing a new global map in a matter of hours in a massive
cataclysm affecting all life on earth. These events have occurred before, as
ancient legends and Prophecies fortell, creating what man interprets to be
ice ages, wandering poles and the flood, and have resulted in the extinction
of the Mastodon and the sinking of Atlantis.
Mankind survived these past cataclysms, some because they were lucky, and
others because they foresaw events and took precautions. To prepare for this
event, Troubled Times, a volunteer organization, was formed. The Troubled
Times mission is to place into the public record a set of solutions for
survival into the next century, solutions that are affordable, attainable,
and which will produce a healthy lifestyle in the Aftertime. These solutions
can be found radiating from The Hub of Troubled Times, which is icon driven
to help the public rapidly locate information.
Those who wish to join this volunteer organization have but to check out
the current ongoing teamwork and join the Membership to enter into the
stream of activity and offer their contributions. Where ZetaTalk supports
the operation of Troubled Times, the two are separate entities, as is the
Nonprofit organization, Troubled Times, Inc. Original works within Troubled
Times are owned by the individual contributors, who have granted Troubled
Times the right to make this information available to the public. Of
interest to people throughout the world, Troubled Times has several Mirror
Sites.
Lack of preparation for the cataclysms may be worse than fatal, it may
leave you and those you care about injured, hungry, frightened, and with no
recourse or end in sight! For those with a JavaScript compliant browser,
Toubled Times has provided a countdown, but don't delay.
About to
Change Starting in 1997 the earth's warming trend, steming from her core,
will be noticed and is a general topic of conversation. This is when you
should prepare for self sufficiency in a safe location.
Prepare for
Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a period of
crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production needs to
be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become practiced
at self sufficiency.
Too late to
Change Starting in May, 2003, the earth's rotation will stop within a day
and hold for several days just prior to the pole shift. This is when you and
your loved ones should be situated at your safe location.
Countdown: 2 years 10 months.
http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm
Michael Davis
> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions,
> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event
First it was comet Hale-Bop. Then it was Y2K. Then it was the planetary
alignment on 5/5/2000. All passed without so much as a ripple. Now we've got
another nut whining that the end is near. Some people just can't seem to be
happy unless they can convince themselves that the world is about to end. There
must be a name for this particular affliction.
Robert you go ahead and lace up your Nikes, put on your purple shawl and eat the
special pudding. Say hi to the Heaven's Gate people for me.
Michael Davis
Phil Scott
>Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions,
>will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event will
>be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by modern
>man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year
>orbit around the sun.
>
> The ancient's called this monster the 12th Planet, and as this magnetic
>giant passes by, it will force our North and South Poles to rotate 90
>degrees. The shifting poles will drag the Earth's crust with them,
>ultimately producing a new global map in a matter of hours in a massive
>cataclysm affecting all life on earth. These events have occurred before, as
>ancient legends and Prophecies fortell, creating what man interprets to be
>ice ages, wandering poles and the flood, and have resulted in the extinction
>of the Mastodon and the sinking of Atlantis.
Id say that notion you type out above in one aspect or another is at
least 30% correct. Will something like that happen in 2003.... I'd
say there is no evidence of that. Will a disaster of that magnitude
happen one of these days? Sure. thats the history of earth. take a
look at the craters on the moon if you want evidence of huge asteroid
hits. (or the boot of mexico)
> Mankind survived these past cataclysms, some because they were lucky, and
>others because they foresaw events and took precautions. To prepare for this
>event, Troubled Times, a volunteer organization, was formed. The Troubled
>Times mission is to place into the public record a set of solutions for
>survival into the next century, solutions that are affordable, attainable,
>and which will produce a healthy lifestyle in the Aftertime. These solutions
>can be found radiating from The Hub of Troubled Times, which is icon driven
>to help the public rapidly locate information.
Here is a clue. Unless you are in a big ship, your ass is going to
drown at the next pole shift. So Id say get serious, get yourself a
ship or forget it. Drink beer. eat lobsters. chase women.
> Those who wish to join this volunteer organization have but to check out
>the current ongoing teamwork and join the Membership to enter into the
>stream of activity and offer their contributions. Where ZetaTalk supports
>the operation of Troubled Times, the two are separate entities, as is the
>Nonprofit organization, Troubled Times, Inc. Original works within Troubled
>Times are owned by the individual contributors, who have granted Troubled
>Times the right to make this information available to the public. Of
>interest to people throughout the world, Troubled Times has several Mirror
>Sites.
Well at least Ted knows what you are pushing now. If I were you, I'd
work on KP, he's big into this fiasco scene. Personally I think he's
right in many respects. Its the timing thats hard to predict.
> Lack of preparation for the cataclysms may be worse than fatal, it may
>leave you and those you care about injured, hungry, frightened, and with no
>recourse or end in sight! For those with a JavaScript compliant browser,
>Toubled Times has provided a countdown, but don't delay.
> About to
>Change Starting in 1997 the earth's warming trend, steming from her core,
Rong. the core is cooling off for a few billion years. Its the CO2
in the atmosphere thats trapping heat.
>will be noticed and is a general topic of conversation. This is when you
>should prepare for self sufficiency in a safe location.
> Prepare for
>Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a period of
>crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production needs to
>be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become practiced
>at self sufficiency.
> Too late to
>Change Starting in May, 2003, the earth's rotation will stop within a day.
Rong. the earths rotation will not change perceptibly. Law of
conservation of energy. the mass will keep rotating. Truly the
boneheads putting this stuff into your head need a closer look.
Its like this, these laws do not change they are the basis on which
the entire universe functions. Its not a matter of opinion. this
notion of the earth stopping to rotate begs the question by which
force vectors contact and leverage this will happen.
well there arent any magnetically... that would be the only means
except for a tangential collision. A collision like that would turn
half the earth into space dust. and screw up realestate values big
time (for about 20 million years)....
You are a smart guy, but you need a clue on a few things. Like logic
and physics.
Phil Scott
Male...@hot.net
>Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions,
>will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event will
>be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by modern
>man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year
>orbit around the sun.
Oh no, here we go again. Another assinine "doomsday" prediction.
> The ancient's called this monster the 12th Planet, and as this magnetic
>giant passes by, it will force our North and South Poles to rotate 90
>degrees. The shifting poles will drag the Earth's crust with them,
>ultimately producing a new global map in a matter of hours in a massive
>cataclysm affecting all life on earth. These events have occurred before, as
>ancient legends and Prophecies fortell, creating what man interprets to be
>ice ages, wandering poles and the flood, and have resulted in the extinction
>of the Mastodon and the sinking of Atlantis.
> Mankind survived these past cataclysms, some because they were lucky, and
>others because they foresaw events and took precautions. To prepare for this
>event, Troubled Times, a volunteer organization, was formed. The Troubled
>Times mission is to place into the public record a set of solutions for
>survival into the next century, solutions that are affordable, attainable,
>and which will produce a healthy lifestyle in the Aftertime. These solutions
>can be found radiating from The Hub of Troubled Times, which is icon driven
>to help the public rapidly locate information.
> Those who wish to join this volunteer organization have but to check out
>the current ongoing teamwork and join the Membership to enter into the
>stream of activity and offer their contributions. Where ZetaTalk supports
>the operation of Troubled Times, the two are separate entities, as is the
>Nonprofit organization, Troubled Times, Inc. Original works within Troubled
>Times are owned by the individual contributors, who have granted Troubled
>Times the right to make this information available to the public. Of
>interest to people throughout the world, Troubled Times has several Mirror
>Sites.
> Lack of preparation for the cataclysms may be worse than fatal, it may
>leave you and those you care about injured, hungry, frightened, and with no
>recourse or end in sight! For those with a JavaScript compliant browser,
>Toubled Times has provided a countdown, but don't delay.
> About to
>Change Starting in 1997 the earth's warming trend, steming from her core,
>will be noticed and is a general topic of conversation. This is when you
>should prepare for self sufficiency in a safe location.
> Prepare for
>Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a period of
>crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production needs to
>be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become practiced
>at self sufficiency.
> Too late to
>Change Starting in May, 2003, the earth's rotation will stop within a day
>and hold for several days just prior to the pole shift. This is when you and
>your loved ones should be situated at your safe location.
>
>Countdown: 2 years 10 months.
>http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm
You nutcases failed with your Hale-Bopp bullshit and now your back
with another try at it. Tell Nancy Hi for us, she's a MAJOR kook.
Zetacrap!
laocmo
day
"and hold for several days just prior to the pole shift. This is when
you "and your loved ones should be situated at your safe location.
Any object that could change the orbit and spin of a planet the size of
the earth would either be so large compared to the earth that it would
be easily observable centuries before it approached, or if smaller,
would have its own orbit and spin affected enough that it could never
return and do it again. Simple Physics 101.
Traveller
wrote:
>Robert wrote:
>
>> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions,
>> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event
>
>First it was comet Hale-Bop. Then it was Y2K. Then it was the planetary
>alignment on 5/5/2000. All passed without so much as a ripple. Now we've got
>another nut whining that the end is near. Some people just can't seem to be
>happy unless they can convince themselves that the world is about to end. There
>must be a name for this particular affliction.
>
>Robert you go ahead and lace up your Nikes, put on your purple shawl and eat the
>special pudding. Say hi to the Heaven's Gate people for me.
>
>Michael Davis
Hold on there a minute, Michael. There's scientific evidence of past cyclic
mass extinction on this planet. Read The Sixth Extinction, or better yet, do
a little research. How about reading Stitchen. Informing yourself does not
mean one need to join a CIA sponsored cult like Heaven's Gate, who would
have the public believe that there's no future real risk of Earth
catastrophe. (Probably because their NASA bosses had plans to evacuate this
planet before the big one, and didn't care or want to attempt to save anyone
else except themselves. NASA had plans to terra form Mars as a holding tank
for culled Earth DNA under the guise of 'colonization'. Alternative 3.)
Informing one's self might make a change, if enough people prepared for the
future, some might survive -- it DOESN'T need to be the end of the world,
actually it won't be -- the planet will still be here, just most of the
living creatures would be gone, including us. If we're informed and
prepared, then that need not happen. The choice is OURS. Don't expect the
aliens to teleport everyone off this planet, well, maybe a few. ;)
Michael Davis
situation to this guy. He is a "true believer." He can't be bothered with
facts and science and all that math stuff. He's got his beliefs and that's
good enough for him and damn it, that should be good enough for everyone
else too. When he wakes up still alive the day after the world was supposed
to end he'll simply adjust the date of the catastrophe, but he'll never
admit he's wrong.
Michael Davis
Male...@hot.net
>On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:14:46 -0400, Michael Davis <mdav...@ix.netcom.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Robert wrote:
>>
>>> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions,
>>> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event
>>
>>First it was comet Hale-Bop. Then it was Y2K. Then it was the planetary
>>alignment on 5/5/2000. All passed without so much as a ripple. Now we've got
>>another nut whining that the end is near. Some people just can't seem to be
>>happy unless they can convince themselves that the world is about to end. There
>>must be a name for this particular affliction.
>>
>>Robert you go ahead and lace up your Nikes, put on your purple shawl and eat the
>>special pudding. Say hi to the Heaven's Gate people for me.
>>
>>Michael Davis
>
>Hold on there a minute, Michael. There's scientific evidence of past cyclic
>mass extinction on this planet. Read The Sixth Extinction, or better yet, do
>a little research. How about reading Stitchen.
BWAAAahahahAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! You have GOT to be kidding!
>Informing yourself does not
>mean one need to join a CIA sponsored cult like Heaven's Gate, who would
>have the public believe that there's no future real risk of Earth
>catastrophe. (Probably because their NASA bosses had plans to evacuate this
>planet before the big one, and didn't care or want to attempt to save anyone
>else except themselves. NASA had plans to terra form Mars as a holding tank
>for culled Earth DNA under the guise of 'colonization'. Alternative 3.)
More bullshit, you nimrods are just chock full of it!
>Informing one's self might make a change, if enough people prepared for the
>future, some might survive -- it DOESN'T need to be the end of the world,
>actually it won't be -- the planet will still be here, just most of the
>living creatures would be gone, including us. If we're informed and
>prepared, then that need not happen. The choice is OURS. Don't expect the
>aliens to teleport everyone off this planet, well, maybe a few. ;)
You're living a fantasy life. It's quite silly...
jamie
outfit arranged for that day, so that I can still look my best!
What a load of CRAP!
Jamie
"Robert" <rob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive
proportions,
> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event
will
> be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by
modern
> man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year
> orbit around the sun.
>
> Change Starting in May, 2003, the earth's rotation will stop within a day
> and hold for several days just prior to the pole shift. This is when you
and
> your loved ones should be situated at your safe location.
>
Robert
> alignment on 5/5/2000. All passed without so much as a ripple.
i never said a word about a planetary alignment. i did not spens any
preparation on y2k (other than getting real drunk on champaine).
wanna argue against me? use your intellect, not your generalizations.
Robert
> Any object that could change the orbit and spin of a planet the size of
> the earth would either be so large compared to the earth that it would
> be easily observable centuries before it approached, or if smaller,
> would have its own orbit and spin affected enough that it could never
> return and do it again. Simple Physics 101.
it is 4-5 times the size of earth....large enough to cause a magnetic pole
shift if it came close. it has a binary orbit, traveling around another sun
besides ours.... would this explain visibily to you, or should i through in
some insults... like retard101?
dogpatch
which stated that astronomers have detected a large mass they are
calling Planet X at the edge of our solar system.
I have read all of Sitchen's books and find him very convincing.
However, I haven't seen anything about HIS prediction about when
Nibiru will again arrive, and he's the one who put all the pieces
together. I would take any prediction from him very seriously.
Have read most of the Zetatalk site and am not convinced. Some stuff
seems credible, some doesn't.
But, to change the subject just a bit...what if Zetatalk is right, or
Troubled Times? Also, what if the government knows they're right, and
even Sitchen knows they are right? Would it be prudent for the
government or Sitchen to announce a date as close as 2003? Would
farmers stop plowing, factory workers walk out, truckers stop
trucking, maintenance workers stop cleaning toilets (God forbid),
mothers stop mothering and run off with the postman, dads run off with
their secretaries? Why not? What's to live for?
"Robert" <rob...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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monkey
least let's get our sources right. He won't make any
predictions...why? Cause things were so confused when Hey-
Zeus came to visit that he can't really tell if the planet
passed by when JC was born or sometime earlier. I also
think that he knows just how seriously some people take his
educated opinion. Most put the date somewhere in the far,
far, future...far to far to ever be disproven by the likes
of us! That is a sort of safety net. It all depends on
your timeline of ancient history? Did the 10th planet
visit our skies during the time of JC? Some would point to
the wise men, all from "babylon...", how they followed a
retrograde "star" across to Bethlehem; but, i say that if
any source were to be trusted it is the Maya, and their
very precise and accurate calendar system. This would put
planet xs' projected return somewhere in the summer of
2012, the end of the Great Baktun. Of course, the event
that the Maya used to calibrate their calendar might have
been different than that of the Hebrews or Chinese. Maybe
for part of the fun they(ETS) show up ten or so years
before the planet(brown dwarf, whateva) is actually
detected by the majority of the planet earth.
Dr Livingstone i presume?
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dogpatch
would have detected the differences a large object would have made on
our solar system before it was there. Hubble's only been up less than
10 years. As for other telescopes, they weren't powerful enough
centuries ago.
They have seen a brown dwarf. And they also have seen disturbances
with the outer planets that COULD be caused by a large mass
approaching our solar system, i.e., Planet X. Whether the brown dwarf
is what they are calling "Planet X" I haven't read anywhere, anyone
know?
Anyway, why worry. We'll all either die one at a time, or all
together. All together means no funerals to go to. Yippee.
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dogpatch
I have to reread because I just can't remember. I doubt if it passed
when JC was alive because little else of consequence happened.
Sitchin (thanks for correcting-the name speller in my brain if a bit
off today) puts so so much into his books that I can't remember
everything. I wish I had a chart showing the times of Nibiru's
previous visits, and also one of the many names that Enki, Enlil, Anu,
Inana, and the others were called by different cultures.
"monkey" <resonantmon...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
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monkey
questions have found that great perturbations have occurred
in earths' history...geologically speaking. Look at the
Marianas trench....a huge scar from a huge
collision...slowly healing itself...our planet is alive,
women and men!!
it wants to live! we must now help it. that is our role.
dogpatch
First of all, thanks for not calling me a swear name ;)
Second, get your "The Twelfth Planet" stuff directly from the guy who
wrote the book - $5.95 - Zechariah Sitchin (and not Zetatalk), from
Barnes and Noble or any good book store.
If you read the book, it'll help you in one of two ways:
(1) You can learn a whole new theory which may be true about man's and
Earth's origins; or
(2) You could twist the books contents to better debunk us with.......
either way, you can't lose.
Your friend,
martha :)
<Male...@hot.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:52:06 -0400, "dogpatch" <dogp...@advnet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I saw a news item from the NY Times, I think, in one of the groups
> >which stated that astronomers have detected a large mass they are
> >calling Planet X at the edge of our solar system.
> >
> >I have read all of Sitchen's books and find him very convincing.
> >However, I haven't seen anything about HIS prediction about when
> >Nibiru will again arrive, and he's the one who put all the pieces
> >together. I would take any prediction from him very seriously.
> >
> >Have read most of the Zetatalk site and am not convinced. Some
stuff
> >seems credible, some doesn't.
> >
> >But, to change the subject just a bit...what if Zetatalk is right,
or
> >Troubled Times? Also, what if the government knows they're right,
and
> >even Sitchen knows they are right? Would it be prudent for the
> >government or Sitchen to announce a date as close as 2003? Would
> >farmers stop plowing, factory workers walk out, truckers stop
> >trucking, maintenance workers stop cleaning toilets (God forbid),
> >mothers stop mothering and run off with the postman, dads run off
with
> >their secretaries? Why not? What's to live for?
>
> Zetacrap has been spouting off their Bullshit for years. They
failed
> with their Hale-Bopp nonsense and their 12th planet nonsense. They
are
> a bunch ( more like 3 or 4) of kooks. They claim this 12th planet is
> magnitude 2, funny we can't see it though.
>
>
dogpatch
solar system's. Planets that are tilted, some bulged at the center,
some moon's oddities, etc., are things that early scientists had no
knowledge of until we had flyby probes. Then there's the recent
discovery of Pluto (and even Uranus?). How long has Pluto been
there..
Nibiru didn't just affect us, and it's not the only mass that affected
us. We've had meteorites that also caused catastrophes so dating
their occurrences doesn't help much in pinpointing the arrival of
Nibiru.
As far as life wanting to continue to exist, I have to go along with
"The Matrix," and say that man is a virus. If Nibiru doesn't get us,
we'll do in ourselves along with every other living thing.
martha :)
"monkey" <resonantmon...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
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monkey
Pretty evident in our cosmology. Even today, we follow the
12 : 60 time pattern!
monkey
alternate...
What if man were meant to look after this planet?
You know, kind of like interplanetary resort workers?
This is just the off-season, and when the tourists come
back, they'll just do what they please, walk all over us...
(maybe they'll tip well!). I don't know, i just know that
man *can* live in harmony with Gaia. It is part of our
history that this has occurred.
Lizard
> Prepare for
>Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a period of
>crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production needs to
>be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become practiced
>at self sufficiency.
Uhm...we have less than four months to go in 2000, and no sign of
these shortages. Care to tell us when they'll strike?
*----------------------------------------------------*
Evolution doesn't take prisoners:Lizard
"I've heard of this thing men call 'empathy', but I've never
once been afflicted with it, thanks the Gods." Bruno The Bandit
http://www.mrlizard.com
Male...@hot.net
Tim Davis
>with their Hale-Bopp nonsense and their 12th planet nonsense. They are
>a bunch ( more like 3 or 4) of kooks. They claim this 12th planet is
>magnitude 2, funny we can't see it though.
Maybe I'm sounding a bit dumb, but can anyone tell me about the 10th and
11th planets?
Phil Scott
<resonantmon...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
What is this thread.... cross posted to the alt.nutcase.UFO, an
attempt by the criminal cult to penetrate the lunatic fringe?
dogpatch
Anyway, the Annunaki (who came from Nibiru, the 12th Planet)
considered the Sun, our moon (called Kingfu), and the nine planets we
now know as the 11. Coming in from outside the solar system, Earth
would be No. 7.
Sitchin bases his theories on the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian
writings.
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Geek Necrophiliac
I used to date a Zeta... but then I discovered that blondes with big
tits could cure my zits. As an apprentice embalmer, you can imagine
how easy it is to "find" blondes late at night (nudge nudge wink wink)
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Why the Implanted Microscopic Chip? While other methods such as
specially configured rooms, special helmets, or sunglasses may be
used to interface the user with the IIC, the microscopic chip is the
most viable. Two real operational concerns support the use of
implanted chips and argue against larger "physical" entities to
access the Cyber Situation.
First, future operations will demand a highly flexible and mobile force
that is ready at moment's notice to employ aerospace power. The chip
will give these forces the ability to communicate, visualize, and
prosecute military operations. Having to manage and deploy a
"physical" platform or room hampers mobility and delays time-sensitive
operations. US aerospace forces must be prepared to fight or to
conduct mobility or special operations anywhere in the world on
extremely short notice although some of these operations may be
staged directly from the continental United States.
Second, a physical entity creates a target vulnerable to enemy attack
or sabotage. A highly mobile information operations center created
with the chip-IIC interface makes it much more elusive to enemy
attack. These reasons argue against a larger physical entity for the
Cyber Situation.
While this is a reasonable portability rationale for the use of chip,
some may wonder, "Why not use special sunglasses or helmets?"
The answer is simple. An implanted microscopic chip does not
require security measures to verify whether the right person is
connected to the IIC, whereas a room, helmet, or sunglasses
requires additional time-consuming access control mechanisms to
verify an individual's identity and level of control within the
Cyber Situation.
Further, survey any group of commanders, decision makers, or
other military personnel if they enjoy carrying a beeper or "brick"
at all times. Likely, few like to carry a piece of equipment. Now,
imagine having to maintain a critical instrument that allows an
individual to access the Cyber Situation, and thus control the
US military forces. Clearly, this is not an enviable position, since
the individual may misplace or lose the helmet or sunglasses,
or worse yet, the enemy may steal or destroy it.
These are unnecessary burdens. [...]
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c2/v3c2-1.htm
See also: http://www.sightings.com/general2/truth.htm
Marcus
others whom post with some degree of intellignce saying things like: "Good
post, I agree!" or "Another good post! I agree" Something to that witty
effect.
I'm sure the skeptics are proud to have "Malenymph" in their corner.
*nodding*
dogpatch wrote:
> Gee Malenymph,
>
> First of all, thanks for not calling me a swear name ;)
>
> Second, get your "The Twelfth Planet" stuff directly from the guy who
> wrote the book - $5.95 - Zechariah Sitchin (and not Zetatalk), from
> Barnes and Noble or any good book store.
>
> If you read the book, it'll help you in one of two ways:
>
> (1) You can learn a whole new theory which may be true about man's and
> Earth's origins; or
>
> (2) You could twist the books contents to better debunk us with.......
>
> either way, you can't lose.
>
> Your friend,
> martha :)
>
> <Male...@hot.net> wrote in message
> news:39861b86...@news.idsi.net...
> > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:52:06 -0400, "dogpatch" <dogp...@advnet.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I saw a news item from the NY Times, I think, in one of the groups
> > >which stated that astronomers have detected a large mass they are
> > >calling Planet X at the edge of our solar system.
> > >
> > >I have read all of Sitchen's books and find him very convincing.
> > >However, I haven't seen anything about HIS prediction about when
> > >Nibiru will again arrive, and he's the one who put all the pieces
> > >together. I would take any prediction from him very seriously.
> > >
> > >Have read most of the Zetatalk site and am not convinced. Some
> stuff
> > >seems credible, some doesn't.
> > >
> > >But, to change the subject just a bit...what if Zetatalk is right,
> or
> > >Troubled Times? Also, what if the government knows they're right,
> and
> > >even Sitchen knows they are right? Would it be prudent for the
> > >government or Sitchen to announce a date as close as 2003? Would
> > >farmers stop plowing, factory workers walk out, truckers stop
> > >trucking, maintenance workers stop cleaning toilets (God forbid),
> > >mothers stop mothering and run off with the postman, dads run off
> with
> > >their secretaries? Why not? What's to live for?
> >
> > Zetacrap has been spouting off their Bullshit for years. They
Doktor Caligari
"Oort Cloud" See also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_460000/460095.stm
Zecharia Sitchin
http://www.newredarchives.com/nrapropaganda/skepticfa.htm
Zecharia Sitchin was born in Russia and raised in Palestine, where he
"acquired" knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and
European languages. Zecharia Sitchin it turns out graduated from the
University of London, majoring in economic history. (This makes sense
as his books have sold thousands). He now lives and writes in New York.
Zecharia Sitchin's first book "The Twelfth Planet" (1976). is 300+
pages and does not have a single footnote nor are any of the numerous
line drawings which are used as proof of his statements identified as
to their identity of source. A list of books and titles of journals
(but no specific articles or volumes) consulted is given at the end of
the book as the sole documentation.
Sitchin, like Velikovsky, presents himself as erudite and scholarly.
Their works read like bad-science fiction rather than good science.
Nonetheless, they are very attractive to those who love a good mystery
and are ignorant of or indifferent to the nature and limitations of
scientific research. Both are very knowledgeable of ancient
myths and both are nearly scientifically illiterate. - Rob Hafernik
I have never seen a review, or even a notice of any of Zecharia
Sitchin's books in the assyriological literature (or in any other
ancient Near Eastern academic literature for that matter). It seems
that Sitchen is not even taken as seriously as von Däniken
who is also ignored in the academic literature. It's possible
that there have been engagements with such authors from an
Assyriological point of view in the press or in papers given at
conferences but if so I've never seen such a thing.Response, such
as it is, tends to fall in the archaeological end of things with
books such as Kenneth Feder's _Frauds, Myths and Mysteries_, and
Francis Harold and Raymond Eve's _Cult Archaeology and Creationism_.
I'll ask around. Charles E. Jones Research
Archivist - Bibliographer The Oriental Institute - Chicago
From a 1978 review of "The 12th Planet" by James E. Oberg
The Sitchin theory must rest on two legs, archaeology and
astronomy - the archaeology leg is dubious, and the astronomical
one is nonexistent... ...he is so wrong that I refuse to waste
any further pity on his "Life's work" as he makes a fool
out of himself on every page. By page 231 he switches his
soaring blunders to biochemistry and the origin of life - and
pounds the nails into the coffin containing the dead remains
of his credibility. Sitchin's planet is a figment of a lifetime
poring over the ancient myths, and perhaps an afternoon or two
skimming astronomical textbooks.. James E. Oberg
Sitchin, along with Erich von Däniken and Immanuel Velikovsky,
comprise the holy trinity of pseudoscientific mythmakers
regarding ancient history...No other scientist has discovered
that these descendants of gods blew themselves up with
nuclear weapons some 4,000 years ago. Sitchin stands alone,
on nobody's shoulders, as a scholar nonpareil. He alone can
look at a Sumerian tablet and see that it depicts a man being
subjected to radiation. He alone knows how to correctly
translate ancient terms allowing him to discover such things
as that the ancients made rockets.
- Rob Hafernik BS Aerospace Engineering (Texas A&M, 1979)
At last after 2 weeks searching I have found something tangible.
(Sitchin covered his tracks and sources very well). Sitchin
translates Job 26:10 (Clearly describing the sufferings of Job
and clearly the bible is speaking of the ocean, not space) as
"Upon the deep he marked out an orbit; Where light and darkness
(Merge) Is his farthest limit"
This Sitchin uses to "prove" where the the planet went after
the collision The New English bible translates the passage as:
"He has fixed the horizon on the surface of the water the
farthest limit of light and darkness" NEB
This is undoubtedly a vastly more accurate transcription
as 26:11/12 reads: "The pillars of heaven quake and are
aghast at his rebuke.With his strong arm he cleft the sea-monster
and struck down Rahab by his skill." and prior to 26:10 (26:8)
reads: "He keeps the waters penned in dense cloud-masses, and the
clouds do not burst open under their weight".
The New American Bible reads:
"He has marked out a circle on the surface of the deep as
the boundary of light and darkness." NAB
Again this clearly refers to the horizon between the sea and
sky - the notes to the NAB passage read "Circle: horizon of
the ocean which serves as the boundary for the activity of
light and darkness".
So what Sitchin did was search for any text which he could corrupt
easily to fit his theories ignoring the fact that the passages were
extracted from an earth based story. Basically he lied! I'm convinced
that he did this for all his references, but gives no source data
discouraging people from checking his translation. - Nicky Garratt
http://www.newredarchives.com/nrapropaganda/skepticfa.htm
http://www.sff.net/people/MBourne/WeirdnessComet3.htm
[ZetaTalk — http://www.zetatalk.com ]
Throughout this large site, the Zetas often slip into hyperbole
that includes rants against the high-level conspiracy (involving
NASA, the U.S. government, and the sci.astro newsgroup) to cover
up the Zetas' existence, keep their revelatory knowledge from us
"blind sheep" masses, and threaten the well being of their
emissary, Nancy.
Among the hundreds of topics the Zetas sermonize about is Comet
Hale-Bopp, which they say never has existed. Even for Nancy (or,
rather, the Zetas), this is a particularly lengthy and foaming
polemic about the conspiracy to dupe the "sheep" with
disinformation and propaganda aimed at distracting us from the
real celestial evil of the approaching "12th Planet." Who is
perpetrating this fraud upon the masses? The Zetas point to "the
establishment and wealthy." This world-wide conspiracy wishes to
hide the truth about the 12th Planet, a mythical world described
in detail in the fringe writings of Zecharia Sitchin.
Sitchin, through his Earth Chronicles series of New Age books,
uses pseudoscience and revisionist "catastrophist" hypotheses
to describe an inhabited world that swings into our solar system
every few thousand years. In the Zetas' interpretation at least,
each time this "12th Planet" draws near Earth its alien inhabitants
descend to either enslave or help mankind.
ZetaTalk states that these aliens have altered human history on
numerous occasions, and it hasn't always been in the spirit of
enlightened altruism. The Zetas, however, claim that this time things
will be different. A galactic federation of alien races has decreed
on their current approach the inhabitants of the 12th Planet will
leave us alone. It seems that the galactic community has other plans
in store for us. But first, the cosmic influences of the passing 12th
Planet will trigger certain catastrophes such as a "Pole Shift" on
Earth. Then the few survivors who have attained the necessary
enlightenment will be saved and transcend the mortal realm.
According to ZetaTalk, the world-wide conspiracy is hiding these
revelations to maintain its conspirators' power and authority,
and to make it easier for them to engineer their own planetary
escape plans without the pesky public getting in their way.
Even the Saturn-like Object is part of their nefarious schemes:
"There is no new massive object traveling toward Earth," the
Zetas say, "any more than there is a comet traveling across the
skies in the path put forth for Hale-Bopp. The public remembers
the gossip, and spreads this around, and has neither the means or
[sic] the capability to do their own checking. Those who have
spread this gossip are all firmly in the palm of the conspirators,
cooperating." http://www.sff.net/people/MBourne/WeirdnessComet3.htm
See also:
The ZECHARIA SITCHIN CERTIFICATION SEMINAR
is once again open for registrations after having been
put on hold pending a health crisis with Mrs. Sitchin.
You may now get full information on this special event
taking place September 15-17, 2000 in the beauty of
Santa Fe, New Mexico, by going to
http://www.greatmystery.org/sitchin.html.
Male...@hot.net
wrote:
>Gee Malenymph,
>
>First of all, thanks for not calling me a swear name ;)
>
>Second, get your "The Twelfth Planet" stuff directly from the guy who
>wrote the book - $5.95 - Zechariah Sitchin (and not Zetatalk), from
>Barnes and Noble or any good book store.
>
>If you read the book, it'll help you in one of two ways:
>
>(1) You can learn a whole new theory which may be true about man's and
>Earth's origins; or
>
>(2) You could twist the books contents to better debunk us with.......
>
>either way, you can't lose.
>
>Your friend,
>martha :)
Martha is all bullshit, no matter who writes about it.
Male...@hot.net
Step right up morons and read the bullshit!
Pathetic....
Andrew Beasley
nautarlly every few 100 000 years the poles switch place so the compass
needle would point south, when this happens its certain it will happen, its
long over due, it will cause catastrophic events, as we are pretty much
dependant to magnetic north, this is true I have not made it up, it won't
kill us but it will set us back to the stone age.
jamie <jge...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:yzkh5.4302$671.4...@nnrp4.clara.net...
> 2003 is that right? Do we know when? Let me know, so that I can have the
> outfit arranged for that day, so that I can still look my best!
>
> What a load of CRAP!
>
> Jamie
>
> > Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a period
of
> > crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production needs
to
> > be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become
> practiced
> > at self sufficiency.
Male...@hot.net
>>... They failed
>>with their Hale-Bopp nonsense and their 12th planet nonsense. They are
>>a bunch ( more like 3 or 4) of kooks. They claim this 12th planet is
>>magnitude 2, funny we can't see it though.
>
>Maybe I'm sounding a bit dumb, but can anyone tell me about the 10th and
>11th planets?
Forget about it, they do not exist. Period.
Male...@hot.net
wrote:
>Maybe the word planet is a bit misleading.
>
>Anyway, the Annunaki (who came from Nibiru, the 12th Planet)
>considered the Sun, our moon (called Kingfu), and the nine planets we
>now know as the 11. Coming in from outside the solar system, Earth
>would be No. 7.
>
>Sitchin bases his theories on the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian
>writings.
I.E., a lot of bullshit.
>"Tim Davis" <num...@flash.net> wrote in message
>news:0Ash5.681$SB4....@news.flash.net...
will.matthews
But errr like every 3600 a cataclysm?
Anyway, i thought planet X, was planet "ex", i.e. part of new astroid belt
past pluto that they have just discovered!
So, cheer up Rob, looks like its not going to happen ;-)
/Will
Andersson
source of the dates and stuff here. Who are the "ancients"? (and why the
plural?) Are they some conglomerate of Nostradamuses? Are they aliens?
Furthermore, how did the original mailer get to know all this? Divine
intervention? Other list? This list? etc?
Ancient prophecies... yesterdays? Last years? Pre historic? Vikings?
Medieval Greek civilisations?
Argh... who cares anyway. Should they be right we can't really appreciate
the person for being right... er... so why say anything at all? Is it
religiously motivated?
Aquinas Forever
Dora Jarr
Roberts ideas are somewhat.....farfetched, but the intolerance and snide
remarks need to stop. You do realize you are posting to a NG entitled
"Aliens, they are here", don't you? So, this would mean, among other
things, that you have some pretty wild ideas here and there, too. Why not
learn to accept other people's ideas regardless of your own beliefs. We
can't ALL be right.
-----dOra
P.S. This message was not directed specifically to you, Michael.
--
take out nospam to reply
"Michael Davis" <mdav...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:39855FA5...@ix.netcom.com...
> Robert wrote:
>
> > Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive
proportions,
> > will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event
>
> First it was comet Hale-Bop. Then it was Y2K. Then it was the planetary
> alignment on 5/5/2000. All passed without so much as a ripple. Now we've
got
> another nut whining that the end is near. Some people just can't seem to
be
> happy unless they can convince themselves that the world is about to end.
There
> must be a name for this particular affliction.
>
> Robert you go ahead and lace up your Nikes, put on your purple shawl and
eat the
> special pudding. Say hi to the Heaven's Gate people for me.
>
> Michael Davis
>
>
>
>
Johnny
I didn't think so.
Johnny
Male...@hot.net wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:59:13 -0400, "dogpatch" <dogp...@advnet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Gee Malenymph,
> >
> >First of all, thanks for not calling me a swear name ;)
> >
> >Second, get your "The Twelfth Planet" stuff directly from the guy who
> >wrote the book - $5.95 - Zechariah Sitchin (and not Zetatalk), from
> >Barnes and Noble or any good book store.
> >
> >If you read the book, it'll help you in one of two ways:
> >
> >(1) You can learn a whole new theory which may be true about man's and
> >Earth's origins; or
> >
> >(2) You could twist the books contents to better debunk us with.......
> >
> >either way, you can't lose.
> >
> >Your friend,
> >martha :)
>
> Martha is all bullshit, no matter who writes about it.
>
> >
Translation: Don't bother me with literature!
Johnny
Male...@hot.net wrote:
> Step right up morons and read the bullshit!
>
> Pathetic....
This coming from a mental midget with the IQ of a corn flake.
Tim Davis
>and
>> 11th planets?
In article <cuuh5.37586$B33....@dfw-read.news.verio.net> dogpatch replied:
>Maybe the word planet is a bit misleading.
>
>Anyway, the Annunaki (who came from Nibiru, the 12th Planet)
>considered the Sun, our moon (called Kingfu), and the nine planets we
>now know as the 11. Coming in from outside the solar system, Earth
>would be No. 7.
>
>Sitchin bases his theories on the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian
>writings.
>
Thank you Dogpatch for clearing me up. I am not familiar with this case
but the mention of the 12th planet caught my curiosity because Billy Meier
mentions two tiny planets, one between the orbits of Neptune and Pluto, and
another, far beyond.
I thought maybe these been found recently, I think I heard mention on the
news a few years ago about an object or two that orbited the sun but was
given only a scientific ID, like that of a star, probably because its size
didn't classify it as a planet.
I haven't found much info about it since then. Any info on this would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim
and Malenymph,
Shut the fuck up.
Theo Paijmans
fact; what with all those cowboys eating beans in the desert at night and then
fall asleep and go farting around their campfires all night long? I say young
man, we have an explosive situation on our hands, indeed, we seem to be heading
towards troubled times!
Best,
Theo
Robert wrote:
> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions,
> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event will
> be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by modern
> man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year
> orbit around the sun.
>
> (snip)
Theo Paijmans
effectively degraded to a popular reading audience. However, it might have
been a decision by the publisher to omit footnotes. Being an author myself
I know that publishers of mainstream mystery, ufo and occultism books
rarerly use proper sourcing - it consumes paper and makes book production
more expensive. Also, it takes the pace out of a text which is - in this
very process - being popularised as well. Therefore, it is not a book in
the same leage as Crowe's Extraterrestrial Life Debate', Webb's 'Occult
Underground'and 'Occult Establishment, or Marjory Hope Nicholson's 'Voyages
to the Moon'. These titles are precicely non-mainstream and even hardly
known with those who want to pursue their quest or satisfy their curiosity
in these mysteries more deeply.
The book falls in the category of Holy Blood, Holy Grail the Hiram Key UFOs
Secret History etc. etc. ad nauseam books. On the other hand, Sitchin is
not schooled in what he writes about - therefore his text and the lack of
sourcing reflect this attitude.
I think that the comparison with Velikovsky is wrong; Velikovski, whatever
one might think of him or his theories, did receive a much harsher
treatment by the scientific communities. Wind in the Willows by Kenneth
Grahame is what I would call a properly referenced book. I recall how,
reading as a child, I constantly knew where I was, and isn't that the
function of a footnote, a source? To remind us where we are in this
intellectual landscape of the author?
best,
Theo
Doktor Caligari wrote:
(snip)
> Zecharia Sitchin
> http://www.newredarchives.com/nrapropaganda/skepticfa.htm
>
> Zecharia Sitchin was born in Russia and raised in Palestine, where he
> "acquired" knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and
> European languages. Zecharia Sitchin it turns out graduated from the
> University of London, majoring in economic history. (This makes sense
> as his books have sold thousands). He now lives and writes in New York.
> Zecharia Sitchin's first book "The Twelfth Planet" (1976). is 300+
> pages and does not have a single footnote nor are any of the numerous
> line drawings which are used as proof of his statements identified as
> to their identity of source. A list of books and titles of journals
> (but no specific articles or volumes) consulted is given at the end of
> the book as the sole documentation.
> Sitchin, like Velikovsky, presents himself as erudite and scholarly.
> Their works read like bad-science fiction rather than good science.
> Nonetheless, they are very attractive to those who love a good mystery
> and are ignorant of or indifferent to the nature and limitations of
> scientific research. Both are very knowledgeable of ancient
> myths and both are nearly scientifically illiterate. - Rob Hafernik
>
> (snip)
dogpatch
"Doktor Caligari" <Cali...@zoomkino.de> wrote in message
news:3986A6A4...@zoomkino.de...
(snipped) "...... Sitchin's planet is a figment of a lifetime
> poring over the ancient myths, and perhaps an afternoon or two
> skimming astronomical textbooks.." James E. Oberg
> (snipped)
> > This world-wide conspiracy wishes to hide the truth about the 12th
Planet, a mythical world described in detail in the fringe writings of
Zecharia Sitchin. (snipped)
Here's a copy of a an old article from the NY Times and the link on
which it could be found:
New York Times
June 19, 1982
Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar
system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational
force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities
in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a
large object that may be the long- sought Planet X. The last time a
serious search of the skies was made it led to the discovery in 1930
of Pluto, the ninth planet. But the story begins more than a century
before that, after the discovery of Uranus in 1781 by the English
astronomer and musician William Herschel. Until then, the planetary
system seemed to end with Saturn.Today, scientists accept theories
concerning plate tectonics. There are articles and studies showing
that, at one time, all of Earth continents were on one side of the
planet. What the stories don't explore is the question, if all the
continents were on one side, what was on the other? The other side has
been described as a tremendous gap, matching the Sumerian story of how
the Earth came about. The Sumerians said Earth was really half a
planet called Tiamat, which broke up in a collision with Nibiru, [or
Planet X].
The discovery of new planets has, in the last two hundred years, owed
more to the science of mathematics than it has to the design of bigger
and better telescopes. The unaccounted-for mathematical irregularities
in the orbits of the outer planets have prompted astronomers to
speculate upon the existence of a further, undiscovered planet.
Astronomers are so certain of this planet's existence that they have
already named it 'Planet X' - the Tenth Planet.
In 1982, NASA themselves officially recognized the possibility of
Planet X, with an announcement that 'some kind of mystery object is
really there - far beyond the outermost planets'. One year later, the
newly launched IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) spotted a large
mysterious object in the depths of space. The Washington Post
summarized an interview with the chief IRAS scientist from JPL,
California, as follows:
"A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and
possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system
has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an
orbiting telescope... 'All I can tell you is that we don't know what
it is', said Gerry Neugebauer, chief IRAS scientist.
dogpatch
(snipped)
> At last after 2 weeks searching I have found something tangible.
> (Sitchin covered his tracks and sources very well). Sitchin
> translates Job 26:10 (Clearly describing the sufferings of Job
> and clearly the bible is speaking of the ocean, not space) as
> "Upon the deep he marked out an orbit; Where light and darkness
> (Merge) Is his farthest limit"
>
> This Sitchin uses to "prove" where the the planet went after
> the collision The New English bible translates the passage as:
> "He has fixed the horizon on the surface of the water the
> farthest limit of light and darkness" NEB
>
> This is undoubtedly a vastly more accurate transcription
> as 26:11/12 reads: "The pillars of heaven quake and are
> aghast at his rebuke.With his strong arm he cleft the sea-monster
> and struck down Rahab by his skill." and prior to 26:10 (26:8)
> reads: "He keeps the waters penned in dense cloud-masses, and the
> clouds do not burst open under their weight".
> The New American Bible reads:
> "He has marked out a circle on the surface of the deep as
> the boundary of light and darkness." NAB
>
> Again this clearly refers to the horizon between the sea and
> sky - the notes to the NAB passage read "Circle: horizon of
> the ocean which serves as the boundary for the activity of
> light and darkness".
>
In a book titled, "The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha," (2 Vol), edited
by Dr. James Charlesworth, there is a translation of Enoch which uses
the word, "orbit." It was done by E. Isaac. This translation is on
the Ethiopic version, although there are fragments of it in Aramaic,
Greek, and Latin. These people have nothing to do with Sitchin or his
work.
1 Enoch Ch 41 Vs 7
"After that is found (both) the hidden and the visible path of the
moon; and the path of its orbit it completes by day and by night at
that place."
The point I am making here is that some of the ancient writings may
better be described by the word, "orbit," than by "circle." Or is it
that Isaac also lied? Further on the chapter describes how light is
"beamed" from the sun to the moon.
This book dates back from 200 BCE to about 100 AD.
English translations were not copied as copiously as the Hebrew books.
It's possible that English translations were modified to the
understanding of the translator. Not sure of Job, but most of the Old
Testament, I think, is based on Hebrew texts, and the New Testament is
mostly in Greek. Only if one knows Hebrew can one say that Sitchin is
lying.
I am not a biblical expert by any means - are you?
dogpatch
"acquired" knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, other Semitic and
(snipped)
Does "acquired" mean the same thing as "learned"?
dogpatch
> "Oort Cloud" See also:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_460000/460095.stm
>
> Zecharia Sitchin>
> http://www.newredarchives.com/nrapropaganda/skepticfa.htm
.A list of books and titles of journals (but no specific articles or
volumes) consulted is given at the end of the book as the sole
documentation.
After you've checked the list is the time to comment on the books'
documentation.
"The Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament," which I own, has 2 very
long volumes, millions of footnotes, but NO INDEX. I wish it were the
other way around. At least Sitchin provides an index.
dogpatch
" From a 1978 review of "The 12th Planet" by James E. Oberg
> The Sitchin theory must rest on two legs, archaeology and
> astronomy - the archaeology leg is dubious, and the astronomical
> one is nonexistent... ...he is so wrong that I refuse to waste
> any further pity on his "Life's work" as he makes a fool
> out of himself on every page. By page 231 he switches his
> soaring blunders to biochemistry and the origin of life - and
> pounds the nails into the coffin containing the dead remains
> of his credibility. Sitchin's planet is a figment of a lifetime
> poring over the ancient myths, and perhaps an afternoon or two
I wish I could recall exactly, but remember reading that Gore and
Colin Powell also read Sitchin's Twelfth Planet. I think that it was
General Powell who said something to the effect that since he couldn't
read Sumerian he could not judge whether the book was true or not.
Powell is a smart man. Can Oberg read Sumerian, or Hebrew? Unless he
can, his review is worthless.
If he is basing his opinion on astronomy, Sitchin is not an
astronomer, and does not claim to be.
dogpatch
> Sitchin's books in the assyriological literature (or in any other
> ancient Near Eastern academic literature for that matter). It seems
> that Sitchen is not even taken as seriously as von Däniken
Bibliographer The Oriental Institute - Chicago"
Maybe they ARE taken seriously. I've subscribed to Bibilical
Archaeological Review and Bible Review for years, and read all about
the struggle to have the Catholic Church release the Dead Sea Scrolls
to ALL scholars. I think BAR lost subscribers after the Scrolls were
released.
One thing I noticed about BAR is that their contributing writers would
come close to saying that the gospels weren't true, or that Jesus
wasn't God, but they never quite admitted it. After such articles,
irate readers, mostly Christians, wrote the Editor and cancelled their
subscriptions. Magazines have to be very careful about what they
write.
BAR once did a small piece about Olaf Jenson (sp) and his trip into
the Hollow Earth. They received so many complaints they just said
that it was a joke, nothing more, and the article was not to be taken
seriously.
BAR also did a scathing review of "Jesus and the Riddle of the Dead
Sea Scrolls," by Barbara Theiring. In the book of Habukkah, found
with the Dead Sea Scrolls, she learned a pesher method that revealed
the true meanings of the gospels. The method, which she provides to
all readers, works only on Greek transcripts. Theiring maintains that
JC was married, divorced, sired children, survived the crucifiction,
and moved abroad, dying at about the age of 80. Readers were irate
that BAR even mentioned the book, and Harper-Collins got into big
trouble for publishing it. TLC or Discovery aired a program about
Theiring and her book several times and no doubt got into trouble with
their audience.
Egyptologists don't like the idea of aliens building the pyramids, nor
do the other Mid-East countries like the idea that their rich culture
stems from an alien race. Naturally any writings that deviate from
the status quo are not going to be well received.
BAR (Odyssey) also just had an article that Khufu built the pyramids
somewhere around 3000 BCE. If they don't want to rock the boat, it's
understandable because of who their subscribers are, and who their
contributing writers are.
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dogpatch
"Doktor Caligari" <Cali...@zoomkino.de> wrote in message > to their >
"......Nonetheless, they are very attractive to those who love a good
mystery
> and are ignorant of or indifferent to the nature and limitations of
>
>".... It seems that Sitchen is not even taken as seriously as von
Däniken
> who is also ignored in the academic literature. " (snipped)"
The Catholic Church has built an observatory somewhere in Arizona, and
the Vatican recently said that ET's are God's children too. They seem
to be taking Sitchin seriously. I think this article is interesting:
"SITCHIN AND VATICAN THEOLOGIAN DISCUSS UFO's,
EXTRATERRESTRIALS, ANGELS, CREATION OF MAN
Report by Zecharia Sitchin
In what must be a historic first, a high official of the Vatican and a
Hebrew scholar discussed the issue of Extraterrestrials and the
Creation of Man, and though different from each other in upbringing,
background, religion and methodology, nevertheless arrived at common
conclusions:
* Yes, Extraterrestrials can and do exist on other planets
* Yes, they can be more advanced than us
* Yes, materially, Man could have been fashioned from a
pre-existing sentient being.
The Participants
The high Vatican official was Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a Catholic
theologian with impressive credentials: A member of the Curia of the
Roman Catholic Church, a Prelate of the Congregation for the
Evangelization of Peoples and the Propagation of the Faith, leading
exorcist of the Archdiocese of Rome, a member of the Vatican's
Beatification Committee, an expert on Demonology and the author of
several books. Appointed in the Vatican to deal with the issue of
UFO's and Extraterrestrials, he has made in recent years
pronouncements indicating a tolerance of the subjects; but he has
never before met and had a dialogue with a Hebrew scholar, and gone
beyond prescribed formulations to include the touchy issue of the
Creation of Man.
The Hebrew scholar was me -- Zecharia Sitchin: A researcher of
ancient civilizations, a biblical archaeologist, a descendant of
Abraham.
The Monsignor and I almost met for such a dialogue last December, but
it did not come about. This time we were scheduled to meet in
Bellaria, Italy, at a conference whose theme was "The Mystery of Human
Existence." I arrived there with my wife and a score of fans from the
USA, on March 31st, scheduled to address the audience of over a
thousand the next day. The Monsignor was nowhere in sight; but he was
there the next morning to hear my presentation. "I drove the whole
night from Rome to hear you," he said."
Go to this link if you want to read the rest:
http://www.sitchin.com/vatican.htm
dogpatch
Just an opinion. No links.
I was always under the impression that Evolution worked in such a way
as to alter a species so that it was more adaptable to the environment
in which it existed. In man's case, evolution either failed or was
not the mechanism involved in creating the creatures we now are.
We've lost our fur coats and feathers. We yearn to fly because we
lost our wings. We can no longer breathe under water. Evolution, in
short, robbed us.
It is totally illogical to believe that we evolved into what we are,
given our lifestyles and the climates in which we live. There just
HAD to be ET involvement, and we probably were designed to be slaves.
Sitchin's last book, "The Cosmic Code," disappointed me. He didn't
explain to my satisfaction where Yahweh fit in with the hierarchy of
the other ETs named. I wonder if his Faith would not let him go the
logical course, which to me seemed that Yahweh would have been one of
the main players.
DAV947
<liz...@mrlizard.com> writes:
>
>> Prepare for
>>Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a period of
>>crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production needs to
>>be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become practiced
>>at self sufficiency.
>
>Uhm...we have less than four months to go in 2000, and no sign of
>these shortages. Care to tell us when they'll strike?
Actually, I'd hate to support this rediculous thread, but the mid-west has been
without rain for two months now (except for recent stroms that went through
recently). That's the only evdence of these crop shortages I can see.. and
even with the storms, some of them caused hail, which destroyed corn crops in
some parts. That's all I know..
~David
Phil Scott
wrote:
Er pinhead? Look, Ive done a study too. I found that most
humans have hair. In fact there are barber and beauty shops ALL OVER!
That meas is proof we were decended from apes. Also PLEASE notice***
Sichen has HAIR TOO!
In FACT so do MANY at the............. VATICAN!
Now we come to the real meaning. President Clinton has hair,
therefore he is an extra terrestrial and covering up.
see? IT all fits.
Look, there is some considerable evidence that we are not alone in the
universe. Tying to weave that into your insane logic, planet x crap
that is NOT going to happen, and shows no statistically valid
precursors of happening in the relevant future, just makes you look
like nut cases.
Ricky Nielsen
wetter than usual in fact alot of Ohio farmers are hurting because they
planted dry weather crops.
DAV947 wrote in message <20000803205526...@nso-cl.aol.com>...
DAV947
storm through there a couple weeks ago, but prior to that it was a couple
months without rain. I dunno.. I guess it wasn't so unusual
~David
In article <eNti5.1121$lY75.1...@news.randori.com>, "Ricky Nielsen"
Mark Wilkinson
"Robert" <rob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive
proportions,
> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural
event will
> be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by
modern
> man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600
year
> orbit around the sun.
>
Have read the site (zetatalk that is..). It's total nonsense but
beautifully put together. I find it fascinating that someone can put
forward a theory that encompasses just about eveything from UFOs to
Bigfoot. I think they've even got the Loch Ness Monster in there
somewhere. The only glaring omissions are Santa Claus and the Tooth
Fairy.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Theo Paijmans
Could I ask for a xerox copy of that Hollow Earth article in BAR?
Best,
Theo
dogpatch
I have most of my BAR's in stacks in the basement, I don't have them
all, having lent a few out and never had them returned. This would go
back at the very least 8 or 9 years, maybe even 10. It was among the
very first issues I had received after subscribing and didn't think I
would be saving them this long. It's one of those things that you
just don't forget.
What they were referring to was the Olaf Janson written about in this
book:
SMOKY GOD, THE
by WILLIS GEORGE EMERSON (1908)
The author claims this is a true story of Olaf Jansen, a fisherman who
sailed by accident through the North Polar opening into the Hollow
Interior of the Earth, and lived 2 years among its people. One of the
most unusual books ever printed! Another missing link which fits into
the puzzle of the hollow earth, caves and the people who live
underground. Don't miss it! 186 pp.
ISBN 0-7873-1315-1
What stands out most is BAR's need to reassure their readers that this
was only a joke in the issues that followed.
"Theo Paijmans" <th.pa...@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:398AC51D...@wxs.nl...
GreyHunter
Tim Davis wrote in message ...
>>"Tim Davis" <num...@flash.net> wrote in message
>>news:0Ash5.681$SB4....@news.flash.net...
>>> Maybe I'm sounding a bit dumb, but can anyone tell me about the 10th
>>and
>>> 11th planets?
>
>
>In article <cuuh5.37586$B33....@dfw-read.news.verio.net> dogpatch
replied:
>>Maybe the word planet is a bit misleading.
>>
>>Anyway, the Annunaki (who came from Nibiru, the 12th Planet)
>>considered the Sun, our moon (called Kingfu), and the nine planets we
>>now know as the 11. Coming in from outside the solar system, Earth
>>would be No. 7.
>>
Just a thought.
What about the moons orbiting other planets in the solar system such as
Saturn and Jupitor. Why have they been overlooked (or not mentioned) by the
Annunaki. Most of these bodies are larger than our moon and can be viewed
from earth (ex. Jupitors Moons) with the crudest of telescopes.
E-rock
dogpatch
"GreyHunter" <invaled...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8mv3n...@enews4.newsguy.com...
used DNA engineering to genetically alter earth primates to produce
today's modern man, but the 12th planet theory is fuzzy to me too. I
wondered the same thing about Jupitor's moons not being counted.
Maybe the moon was not established in her orbit and was orbiting as a
tiny planet.
ddj...@my-deja.com
"dogpatch" <dogp...@advnet.net> wrote:
> I wasn't referring to the earth's catastrophic history - I meant the
> solar system's. Planets that are tilted, some bulged at the center,
> some moon's oddities, etc., are things that early scientists had no
> knowledge of until we had flyby probes. Then there's the recent
> discovery of Pluto (and even Uranus?). How long has Pluto been
> there..
>
> Nibiru didn't just affect us, and it's not the only mass that affected
> us. We've had meteorites that also caused catastrophes so dating
> their occurrences doesn't help much in pinpointing the arrival of
> Nibiru.
>
> As far as life wanting to continue to exist, I have to go along with
> "The Matrix," and say that man is a virus. If Nibiru doesn't get us,
> we'll do in ourselves along with every other living thing.
***********************************************************************
Wow, I thought I was nuts. This takes the cake. I can't believe a movie
has spawned yet another self hating anti human cult. Here's an idea, all
those who think the earth will be better off without humans, go into
the garage, lock the doors and any windows, get in the car, start it and
take a nap. Then you can subtract yourselves from this useless fold and
lessen the burden that we "virus" cause on MaMa Gaia.
***********************************************************************
> martha :)
>
> "monkey" <resonantmon...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:17c3e310...@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com...
> > Oh, i think that the most hard scientists that ask the hard
> > questions have found that great perturbations have occurred
> > in earths' history...geologically speaking. Look at the
> > Marianas trench....a huge scar from a huge
> > collision...slowly healing itself...our planet is alive,
> > women and men!!
> >
> > it wants to live! we must now help it. that is our role.
> >
> >
> > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also
> find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.
> Smart is Beautiful
ddj...@my-deja.com
phils...@hotmail.com (Phil Scott) wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:24:13 -0700, monkey
> <resonantmon...@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> What is this thread.... cross posted to the alt.nutcase.UFO, an
> attempt by the criminal cult to penetrate the lunatic fringe?
>
>
****************************************************************
I think so. Dimensia ridden psychophants spouting lunatic fringe
rhetoric, espousing the demise of their own species. How's that. You
crack me up man, keep up the grins.
*****************************************************************
james...@my-deja.com
Do you realize that the orbit you describe at that
zetatalker site -- where you mention the final approach
from several times the distance to Pluto or whatever -- do you
realize that in order for that rock to reach the Sun within
the time frame specified, it would have to be travelling 4
times faster than the escape velocity from the *surface* of
the Sun? On average? From the *surface* of the Sun!
Why it's hyperbolic, that's what it is. That baby's
gone and there ain't nothin' out there to bring it back. No
big catcher's mit, no backstop. She's just gone, and that's
all there is to it.
Jim Smith
In article <kdbh5.25808$5N1.8...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Robert" <rob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive
proportions,
> will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural
event will
> be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by
modern
> man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600
year
> orbit around the sun.
>
> The ancient's called this monster the 12th Planet, and as this
magnetic
> giant passes by, it will force our North and South Poles to rotate 90
> degrees. The shifting poles will drag the Earth's crust with them,
> ultimately producing a new global map in a matter of hours in a
massive
> cataclysm affecting all life on earth. These events have occurred
before, as
> ancient legends and Prophecies fortell, creating what man interprets
to be
> ice ages, wandering poles and the flood, and have resulted in the
extinction
> of the Mastodon and the sinking of Atlantis.
> Mankind survived these past cataclysms, some because they were
lucky, and
> others because they foresaw events and took precautions. To prepare
for this
> event, Troubled Times, a volunteer organization, was formed. The
Troubled
> Times mission is to place into the public record a set of solutions
for
> survival into the next century, solutions that are affordable,
attainable,
> and which will produce a healthy lifestyle in the Aftertime. These
solutions
> can be found radiating from The Hub of Troubled Times, which is icon
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> Those who wish to join this volunteer organization have but to check
out
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> Lack of preparation for the cataclysms may be worse than fatal, it
may
> leave you and those you care about injured, hungry, frightened, and
with no
> recourse or end in sight! For those with a JavaScript compliant
browser,
> Toubled Times has provided a countdown, but don't delay.
> About to
> Change Starting in 1997 the earth's warming trend, steming from her
core,
> will be noticed and is a general topic of conversation. This is when
you
> should prepare for self sufficiency in a safe location.
> Prepare for
> Change Starting in 2000, three years prior to the cataclysms, a
period of
> crop shortages will be so severe that alternative food production
needs to
> be begun and practiced in earnest. This is when you should become
practiced
> at self sufficiency.
> Too late to
> Change Starting in May, 2003, the earth's rotation will stop within a
day
> and hold for several days just prior to the pole shift. This is when
you and
> your loved ones should be situated at your safe location.
>
> Countdown: 2 years 10 months.
> http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm