Nancy lying her ass off on Coast to Coast. A complete laugh riot.
Zeta Fraud
George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried to
push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st when
George challenged her.
She says we have to eat weeds and catch fish.
When George brought up the question of the possibility of the Zeta's
lying to her, she spun it in such a way that the Government was
misleading the Zetatalk community by planting fake information.
Then Nancy slipped up and said "IF" i am right, realized her goof and
then claimed George brought up the question of "IF".
She also claims she is the source of the date "May 15th". Naturally
any ego-maniac sociopath cult leader would claim they're the source of
the date for the end of the world. Why? So they can bilk their
braindead cult followers out of their money, posessions and freedom.
Nancy claimed that sci.astro was destroying Zetatalk and Usenet. She
was also claiming her Zeta Drones were being stalked and fired from
their jobs. Maybe they're getting fired because they're spending
more time looking for this fake "Planet X" than bothering to show up
for work.
Then a brainwashed caller called in and claimed that Nancy was being
tricked by disinformation artists. Basically the caller was covering
Nancy's ass when the ZetaDrones find out Planet X is fake.
Nancy said 50% of her mail was hate mail.
Phillip Plait, the publisher of "Badastronomy.com" called up and
clearly stated that "Planet X" didn't exist and that the images on
Nancy's site were "noise". Philip also said that this "Planet X"
would have been seen years ago if it was real. Nancy countered by
claiming Phillip was calling all amateur astronomers liars.
Another caller called up and said the whole Planet X scenario was
borrowed from the book "When Worlds Collide". George asked Nancy
if she lifted her Planet X theory from "When Worlds Collide", Nancy
denied it and said she read Zecharia Sitchin's books(where it
describes a planet coming around every 3600 years). So she obviously
ripped off Sitchin and is trying to claim Planet X(Nibiru) is showing
up on May 15th.
In response to another caller who asked where he could see Planet X,
Nancy couldn't even pronounce "Aldebaran", which is the main star of
constellation Taurus.
George asked why Phillip Plait couldn't see Planet X and Nancy
countered by saying that Plait(as well as Zecharia Sitchin) were
insane and in denial. Obviously Nancy was talking about her own
psychological state of mind.
Nancy claimed Planet X will slow down as it approaches the solar
system and move around in it's trajectory to "avoid" the inner
planets(in other words like a spaceship).
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!!!!!!! Thank you for playing. This
woman obviously has no understanding of science, intertia, gravity,
orbital mechanics, ellipitical mathematics or Newton's Laws of Motion.
At the top the next hour, George asked callers to call in and ask
questions to Nancy when she's in Zeta-transmission mode. Nancy
agreed to do it and then claimed she was talking for the Zetas.
Obviously Nancy has multiple personalies; Nancy Lieder and Zetatalk.
George asked the Zetas if they were manipulating Nancy. The
"Zeta's"(Nancy) claimed that humans were afraid of them.
Another caller claimed Nancy was a modern day Madame Blatavsky, a
woman who was repeately shown to be a fraud and flew into rages. He
said a lot of stuff of Zetatalk was regurgitated Madame Blavatsky
writings. Nancy of course denied it and claimed that Zetas could
predict the weather. Gee, I guess Nancy never heard of "weather
men".
The second caller brought up the subject of Nancy "killing herself" if
Planet X didn't show up. Nancy countered with the "burned at the
stake" comment. Wink wink.
The third caller sided with Phil Plait and asked if Planet X doesn't
show up will she prolong the date. Nancy brought up June 1st again.
The fourth called asked Zeta's(Nancy) if they had their astrophysics
mixed up. The Zeta's(Nancy) replied with a bunch of unintelligible
nonsense about the time of the dinosaurs and galactic equator.
The fifth caller told Nancy about a three day's of darkness dream and
asked what would happen to people during the time of Planet X. She
basically said people shouldn't be indoors and lie down in a trench
during a "deluging rain"! In other words, drown in a ditch because
Nancy says so!
The sixth caller claimed he had anxiety attacks about Planet X, asked
if Northern Ontario would be safe and if it was safe to be in a mobile
home. The Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that the high ground of Northern
Ontario would be safe. Nancy accidently switched to Nancy mode by
saying "This is Nancy Lieder in Wisconsin" and said more nonsense
about securing his mobile home and then to top it off she ended with
the words "End of Zetatalk". Nancy's so nuts she can't even tell
when her personalies are switching.
George asked the Zeta's(Nancy) if they heard of Orson Welles. The
Zetas(Nancy) claimed that Orson was a contactee who recieved messages
from another race of aliens. George also asked the Zetas(Nancy) why
Nancy was chosen. The Zetas(Nancy) claimed Nancy had courage and
integrity. What a laff riot.
George asked if the "Zeta's(Nancy)" if they like exposure. The
"Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that they don't contact humans, which
completely contradicts the reason they(Nancy) chose Nancy. What a
hypocrite.
The seventh caller asked Nancy about a group of European scientists in
Germany who supposedly took images of Asteroid KX76 and asked if Nancy
was aware of it. Zetas(Nancy) claimed that the asteroid's discovery
was disinformation to confuse people about Planet X and to protect the
Stock Market and Governments. He also asked about a solar flare and
the Zetas(Nancy) responded by saying that stuff seen by SOHO would be
used as a distraction.
The eigth caller asked how many people visited zetatalk.com. Nancy
countered by claiming that she doesn't bother to count the number of
hits on her site.
The ninth caller found the Planet X stuff amusing. He equated
Nancy's story with the frozen alien in the freezer. He stated that
scientists said "if a planet four to five times the size of Earth were
in our solar system, it would cause massive gravitational disruption".
He asked why we weren't feeling gravitational effect. Nancy
claimed humans are dumb and tried to claim Newton and Einstein were
wrong. She then claimed that the laws of centrifical force didn't
work with Newton's inverse square law. She also said humans were so
"stoopid". Oh, really? If humans are stupid, they'd still be living
in caves.
The tenth caller asked Nancy about finding a woman to have a
relationship with, get naked and eat chili.(sounds like a some sicko
fetish to me depending on what the "chili" means). Nancy said the
Zetas were incapable of eating chili and were in skintight bodysuits.
The eleventh caller asked why aliens would let humans go downhill.
She claimed that humans were selfish and were all a bunch of
kindergardners.
George asked Nancy if she was afraid and Nancy replied that she cries
once in a while, probably when she realizes she's nuts.
The twelfth caller asked the Zetas(Nancy) about being pinned down by a
high vibration and broke loose. He claimed a Zeta appeared and asked
if the Zetas had a message for him. The Zetas(Nancy) claimed that
Sedona, Arizona would be a magnet for people during the time of Planet
X and that the man was being prepared as a contactee.
George once again asked if Planet X would come around between May 15th
and June 1st. Nancy replied by telling people to be in their safe
places.
At least George had a sense of humor by playing Fleetwood Mac's "Tell
Me Lies" as the bumper music as he went into the break. I don't
think George is buying Nancy's B.S. for one second.
It's obvious to anyone there's going to be a huge Kool-Aid party on
May 15th. The fact that Nancy kept bringing up the subject of
"burning at the stake" also raises the possibility of self immolation
by the ZetaDrones, just like what happened with the Solar Temple cult
in the late 1990's.
Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
deal with "Planet X Gate"
Fin Fahey
news:9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com...
You are so totally a NASA information agent. I've got my fingers in my ears
lest I might inadvertently absorb this informational poison what you are
spewing all over this newsgroup. How will you live with yourself when them
people what are scheduled to die really do the actual death bit? Eh? Eh? At
best you are a Scottiist (the let 'em drown' faction [which, admittedly, has
its attractions] ), but you definitely have issues being as how you are
telling us things like what you are telling us and like that....
Yeah, and, um, er, where was I...
:) : ) :)
--
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6 fingers man
> She says we have to eat weeds and catch fish.
Nancy is smoking weed and eating fish "cause it's a dish".
> Then a brainwashed caller called in and claimed that Nancy was being
> tricked by disinformation artists. Basically the caller was covering
> Nancy's ass when the ZetaDrones find out Planet X is fake.
That was Nancy's ganja supplier...
> The sixth caller claimed he had anxiety attacks about Planet X, asked
> if Northern Ontario would be safe and if it was safe to be in a mobile
> home.
He has MUCH MORE to worry about SARS than
what some morbidly obese ufo froot-loop says.
> The seventh caller asked Nancy about a group of European scientists in
> Germany who supposedly took images of Asteroid KX76 and asked if Nancy
> was aware of it. Zetas(Nancy) claimed that the asteroid's discovery
> was disinformation to confuse people about Planet X and to protect the
> Stock Market and Governments. He also asked about a solar flare and
> the Zetas(Nancy) responded by saying that stuff seen by SOHO would be
> used as a distraction.
That was all a front, he really wanted to
talk dirty to Zeta-loons and "circle-Uranus"
in some rooms-by-the-hour Motel-6 run
by some Pakistani Immigrants from New Jersey.
> The tenth caller asked Nancy about finding a woman to have a
> relationship with, get naked and eat chili.(sounds like a some sicko
> fetish to me depending on what the "chili" means). Nancy said the
> Zetas were incapable of eating chili and were in skintight bodysuits.
THIS TURNED ON NANCY BIGTIME! If you listened carefully
you would have heard Nancy switch-on the five D-cell battery
vibrator very soon after this call for a "quick diddle".
> The eleventh caller asked why aliens would let humans go downhill.
> She claimed that humans were selfish and were all a bunch of
> kindergardners.
We're really all a bunch of defecating, fornicating chimpanzees
with clothes, well....some of us. : )
> George asked Nancy if she was afraid and Nancy replied that she cries
> once in a while, probably when she realizes she's nuts.
No!
> The twelfth caller asked the Zetas(Nancy) about being pinned down by a
> high vibration and broke loose. He claimed a Zeta appeared and asked
> if the Zetas had a message for him. The Zetas(Nancy) claimed that
> Sedona, Arizona would be a magnet for people during the time of Planet
> X and that the man was being prepared as a contactee.
Ah yes! Sedona, Az.
The "sex and love" vaca spot of choice for every
screwball new age yuppie in the Yoo Ess, and home
to more shyster business who "cater" to their
need for freaky foods and deep pockets.
> George once again asked if Planet X would come around between May 15th
> and June 1st. Nancy replied by telling people to be in their safe
> places.
Pull the wool over your OWN eyes Nancy!
See you in next month's "Plumper Pets" magazine...
ROTFLMAO!
what a whack job cu-t!
> It's obvious to anyone there's going to be a huge Kool-Aid party on
> May 15th. The fact that Nancy kept bringing up the subject of
> "burning at the stake" also raises the possibility of self immolation
> by the ZetaDrones, just like what happened with the Solar Temple cult
> in the late 1990's.
>
> Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
> deal with "Planet X Gate"
"Burning at the stake" refers to double-ended sex toys in
dungeons and 6'5" tall Norwegian females in leather wearing
10" long purple jelly strap-on's..........get it?
O'Brother
Of course she claimed 'ASTOUNDING ACCURACY', right? Did Noory ping her
about her AMAZING IRAQI WAR predictions?
I'm a little troubled that she's starting to fudge the date for Px, that
might imply that she was beginning to pay attention to the real world which
will definitely spoil the fun if she starts to recognize reality. Debunker
central better kick the Montauk thought control beam up a couple notches to
keep her in the ozone as well as increasing the Kooktrails over Baraboo WI
just in case.
Tell me more about the naked women and chili....
O'
Fred Garvin
> "Zeta Fraud" <zeta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com...
>> Nancy was on there claiming the Earth will stop rotating and when George
>> asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried to push the
>> date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st when George
>> challenged her.
Tell us something we DON'T know.
She's wacko, we all know it. LET IT GO. It'll be fun after May to see her
backpedal unless she goes off and hides for a long time to dream up
another wacky fantasy.
This shit has got real old, real fast.
Shaun Howell
wrote on 4/26/03 7:20 AM:
I disagree... behold this morning's boon from the TTW yahoo group:
If you lived down here in South Africa, you wouldn¹t have said what you
just did. Because I would have taken you down with words you have never
even heard of.
STOP! IT!
With love,
~JM~
on 4/26/03 2:52 AM, JM at jm_19...@yahoo.ca wrote:
AND! Another TH*ING!
If you weren’t so f**ing arrogant as some of you Americans are you
would take those words back you arrogant asshole!!!!!
With love,
~JM~
on 4/26/03 2:59 AM, JM at jm_19...@yahoo.ca wrote:
AND! Yet! Another TH*ING!
Don’t try to talk back, I won’t respond! Since all
you want is some attention anyways. And it’s no use farting against
the wind either. FU&CK the Grey’s, FU&CK the Draconian, AND FU&CK anyone
against Yahweh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With love,
~JM~
P.S – Sorry if I hurt anyone with my language. I am sick and tired of
just being
shout at “Shut up!” when I want to speak the truth.
P.S – I’m really sorry for those who read this that are on the
same side as I am.
AND! For those who sit like Owls on the internet 24/7, GET A LIFE!!!!
RDK
> George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried to
> push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st when
> George challenged her.
I saw on the C2C site that Phil Plait has apparently offered to debate Nancy
on a future program.
I can't help but think that any attempt to engage Nance in a serious debate
is futile. She'll just resort to ZetaScience and not accept any
counterargument (you know, ones founded in science, physics, and astronomy).
Any question Phil poses to Nancy concerning the whereabouts of PX or
concerning its rather odd (impossible) movement will be answered with
something like, "Well, the Zetas have said..." and "Given the track record
of ZetaTalk and its accuracy..."
There's just no debating Nancy.
Russell Wallace
such a thing? :)
On 26 Apr 2003 00:05:55 -0700, zeta...@hotmail.com (Zeta Fraud)
wrote:
>Another caller called up and said the whole Planet X scenario was
>borrowed from the book "When Worlds Collide".
Actually that caller was mistaken - the scenario in that book is
reasonably coherent and plausible, and it's a good story too. I keep
being surprised that if these cult leaders aren't going to read up on
science, they don't at least read some science fiction to mine for
ideas.
>The tenth caller asked Nancy about finding a woman to have a
>relationship with, get naked and eat chili.(sounds like a some sicko
>fetish to me depending on what the "chili" means).
Eh, sounds like fun to me! ^.^
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Spread Eagle
> Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
> deal with "Planet X Gate"
Nah. No Hale-Bopp here. Hale-Bopp was truly a remarkable happening,
maybe the most spectacular comet in recorded human history. Not
anything here but words. When May 15 comes and goes she will change
her message to continue the rap. You're way too caught up in it.
Spread Eagle
6 fingers man
"O'Brother" <nob...@noplace.com> wrote in message
news:yntqa.161157$JI.36...@twister.neo.rr.com...
> Tell me more about the naked women and chili....
>
> O'
Here's a site which is the
absolute authority on the topic:
http://www.umd.net/?splashme=1
RDK
> George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried to
> push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st when
> George challenged her.
Side note: Nance will once again be on the Lou Gentile Show -- next week,
May 2.
6 fingers man
"Shaun Howell" <cathe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BACFF67A.2045%cathe...@earthlink.net...
> AND! Yet! Another TH*ING!
>
> Don't try to talk back, I won't respond! Since all
> you want is some attention anyways. And it's no use farting against
> the wind either. FU&CK the Grey's, FU&CK the Draconian, AND FU&CK anyone
> against Yahweh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damm straight!!!
"Fuck'em if they can't take a joke"
- JR "Bob" Dobbs 1962
The world ends tomorrow and you may die!
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Jeff Root
> Nancy was on there claiming the Earth will stop rotating and when
> George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried
> to push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st
> when George challenged her.
asked, "What does 'soon after May 15' mean? Three months?"
when George interrupted her. Nancy never once said anything
but that planet X would make its "passage" soon after May 15
and well before June 1. Exactly what she's been saying for
months, and consistent with what she's been saying for years.
You do no good when you mis-state what she actually said.
> She says we have to eat weeds and catch fish.
doesn't want it to be. Wheat growing in the middle of a lawn
would be a weed.
My brother-in-law goes fishing every chance he gets.
> When George brought up the question of the possibility of the
> Zeta's lying to her, she spun it in such a way that the Government
> was misleading the Zetatalk community by planting fake information.
>
> Then Nancy slipped up and said "IF" i am right, realized her goof
> and then claimed George brought up the question of "IF".
wrong with saying "if" about something you know perfectly well.
If the Sun is shining right now, the grass is growing. Does
that statement imply that I'm not sure that the Sun is shining
right now? In fact, I know for certain that the Sun is shining
on the grass outside my window as I type this.
Nancy did go through a lot of explanation of her use of the
word "if", but if people like you and George Noory are going to
jump on her for using the word, then she has to explain the
obvious.
> She also claims she is the source of the date "May 15th". Naturally
> any ego-maniac sociopath cult leader would claim they're the source
> of the date for the end of the world. Why? So they can bilk their
> braindead cult followers out of their money, posessions and freedom.
source of the date? As far as I know, she's right: the date
originated with her.
> Nancy claimed that sci.astro was destroying Zetatalk and Usenet.
sci.astro posters destroyed sci.astro last summer when they
posted trash in response to her posts. Obviously no better
than what you claim she said, but different.
> She was also claiming her Zeta Drones were being stalked and
> fired from their jobs.
heard nearly everything that was said.
> Another caller called up and said the whole Planet X scenario
> was borrowed from the book "When Worlds Collide". George asked
> Nancy if she lifted her Planet X theory from "When Worlds Collide",
> Nancy denied it and said she read Zecharia Sitchin's books(where it
> describes a planet coming around every 3600 years). So she obviously
> ripped off Sitchin and is trying to claim Planet X(Nibiru) is showing
> up on May 15th.
and haven't read any of his crap, but it is obvious that many
of Nancy's ideas are from him and Velikovsky, rather than from
"mainstream" science fiction stories.
> In response to another caller who asked where he could see Planet X,
> Nancy couldn't even pronounce "Aldebaran", which is the main star of
> constellation Taurus.
(read Arthur C. Clarke's 'Jupiter 5' for a cute reference to
this problem), she didn't know how it is pronounced.
> The second caller brought up the subject of Nancy "killing herself"
> if Planet X didn't show up.
anything like that.
> Nancy countered with the "burned at the stake" comment. Wink wink.
the program last November that if planet X didn't show up, she
would be "burned at the stake" (by the people who she misled).
I don't know how literally she meant that. She seems to think
that she would in fact be killed.
> The fourth called asked Zeta's(Nancy) if they had their astrophysics
> mixed up. The Zeta's(Nancy) replied with a bunch of unintelligible
> nonsense about the time of the dinosaurs and galactic equator.
what the question was, because the "answer" was apparently on a
different subject.
> The fifth caller told Nancy about a three day's of darkness dream
> and asked what would happen to people during the time of Planet X.
> She basically said people shouldn't be indoors and lie down in a
> trench during a "deluging rain"! In other words, drown in a ditch
> because Nancy says so!
about. Outdoors to avoid collapsing structures, and sheltered
from the hurricane-force winds by something like a ditch. If
I somehow manged to find myself in the middle of a hurricane
and a major earthquake simultaneously, that is the advice I
would follow.
> The sixth caller claimed he had anxiety attacks about Planet X,
> asked if Northern Ontario would be safe and if it was safe to be
> in a mobile home. The Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that the high ground
> of Northern Ontario would be safe. Nancy accidently switched to
> Nancy mode by saying "This is Nancy Lieder in Wisconsin"
> and said more nonsense about securing his mobile home
general. Those things are the first to get trashed when a
tornado comes through.
> and then to top it off she ended with the words "End of Zetatalk".
> Nancy's so nuts she can't even tell when her personalies are
> switching.
a minute earlier, but either way she wanted to indicate that it
had ended. She says the words are always hers, never those of
the Zetas. She didn't mess up there, and it was no indicator
of her schizophrenia. Considering that she was talking to a
large audience, she did very well.
> George asked if the "Zeta's(Nancy)" if they like exposure. The
> "Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that they don't contact humans, which
> completely contradicts the reason they(Nancy) chose Nancy.
Nancy try to explain that better. Almost.
> The tenth caller asked Nancy about finding a woman to have a
> relationship with, get naked and eat chili.(sounds like a some
> sicko fetish to me depending on what the "chili" means).
"chili", several times, like he was trying to clue the listeners
in on a joke. But if it *was* a joke, I didn't get it. Anyone?
> George once again asked if Planet X would come around between May
> 15th and June 1st. Nancy replied by telling people to be in their
> safe places.
date of the "passage". I don't think she ever said that before.
Last night she confirmed that, and added that the rotation
stoppage would occur soon after May 15 and the "passage" would
be about a week later, around May 22.
> At least George had a sense of humor by playing Fleetwood Mac's
> "Tell Me Lies" as the bumper music as he went into the break.
> I don't think George is buying Nancy's B.S. for one second.
> It's obvious to anyone there's going to be a huge Kool-Aid party
> on May 15th.
suggests it. The only mention of such things come from people
like you.
> The fact that Nancy kept bringing up the subject of "burning at the
> stake" also raises the possibility of self immolation by the
> ZetaDrones, just like what happened with the Solar Temple cult
> in the late 1990's.
-- Jeff, in Minneapolis
.
jsc...@nospampirl.lpl.arizona.edu
:FF You are so totally a NASA information agent. I've got my fingers in my ears
:FF lest I might inadvertently absorb this informational poison what you are
:FF spewing all over this newsgroup. How will you live with yourself when them
:FF people what are scheduled to die really do the actual death bit? Eh? Eh? At
:FF best you are a Scottiist (the let 'em drown' faction [which, admittedly, has
:FF its attractions] ), but you definitely have issues being as how you are
:FF telling us things like what you are telling us and like that....
:FF Yeah, and, um, er, where was I...
:FF :) : ) :)
Hey, Cool! I have my own following now: the "Scottiists". Excellent.
Jim.
Jim "let 'em drown" Scotti
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/
Fred Garvin
> "Zeta Fraud" <zeta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com...
>> Nancy was on there claiming the Earth will stop rotating and when George
>> asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried to push the
>> date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st when George
>> challenged her.
>
> I saw on the C2C site that Phil Plait has apparently offered to debate
> Nancy on a future program.
You should all debate her, then you can mass-debate......
(Bada-boom!)
That's all Nancy's doing.....
Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
> George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried to
> push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st when
> George challenged her.
"When Prophecy Fails"
=====================
[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0061311324/ref=ase_csicop/002-0348342-5106467]
> She says we have to eat weeds and catch fish.
Don't panic -- it's organic.
> When George brought up the question of the possibility of the Zeta's
> lying to her, she spun it in such a way that the Government was
> misleading the Zetatalk community by planting fake information.
From http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/brethren/bbaviary.htm
"An important link in the communication chain between the civilian
population and the intelligence community in regards to UFO matters is
what has become known as the Aviary. This is the final link next to
the public network, and so it must be heavily disguised by its own
surrealistic smoke screen. The Aviary functions best by amplifying
people's own misconceptions about the paranormal. It does this by
helping to overinflate individual pieces of the puzzle so that
particular investigators get pushed further into their own blind
alleys."
The guvmint hates The Trvth(tm) so they always throw in a buncha
disinfo and stuff. They're kinda freaky like that, you know ... I
seen it on the telly plus I read some articles and stuff about it on
the 'Net.
And in a related vein...
This is also, BTW, why God invented FEMA -- to help solve the coming
Zeta Pole Shift World Disaster euphemimistically termed "El Niño."
Their solution? Hundreds of thousands of bumper stickers which state
emphatically:
"Just say ño to El Niño!"
=========================
But don't believe me, check it out for yourselves:
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/datruth/elnino.htm
Wherein we discover the following Liber Sub-Figvra:
o El Niño: The Crisis...
o FEMA: The Solution!
o The United Regions of FEMA
o FEMA -- THE SECRET GOVERNMENT
o The Most Powerful Organization in the United States
o FEMA -- THE U.S. "SHADOW GOVERNMENT"
o Mount Weather's "Government-in-Waiting"
o FEMA: Your Tax Dollars Building a Better America©
BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Another fine cross-cultural memetic seeding experiment courtesy of:
-Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
Interdimensional Intelligence Analyst
Sacerdotal Knights of National Security
USENET Meme Acquisition and Propagation Directorate
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/
Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
[...]
> Another caller called up and said the whole Planet X scenario was
> borrowed from the book "When Worlds Collide". George asked Nancy
> if she lifted her Planet X theory from "When Worlds Collide", Nancy
> denied it and said she read Zecharia Sitchin's books(where it
> describes a planet coming around every 3600 years). So she obviously
> ripped off Sitchin and is trying to claim Planet X(Nibiru) is showing
> up on May 15th.
Well, maybe Sitchen stold it from Velikovsky who wrote that book about
big giant planets bonking into each other and stuff.
But hey ... wait a minute! I mean, when you think about it, maybe
they both stold the idea of writing from whoever invented writing and
wrote the first book and stuff. It might have been Jehovah when he
carved up those rocks or maybe it was Thoth and the Emerald Tablets.
Or maybe Enoch.
I just don't know and all this thinking really makes my head start to
hurt!
Anyways, someone prolly pilfered someone elses memes somewhere along
the way just like when Charleton Heston was pretending to be Moses on
TV and stuff. But the important part is the packaging. Whoever comes
up with the most appealing memetic packaging generally wins.
That's why there's tons of people who if you ask them "Have you read
the Bible?" they'll prolly say, "No, but I seen the movie."
So you see, it really doesn't matter who made up the meme in the first
place, but who helped to get it lodged the most deeply into Carl's
Collective Unconscious.
Velikovsky's an old dude so most folks don't even care about him
because he's too old and too ugly to do any commercials for Calvin
Klein and Sitchin is also just an old dude who believes in Martians
and stuff so most folks don't care too much about him either. But
Nancy and her cute little Zetas have a far wider, broader and more
timely market appeal so they win.
Kind of.
Anyways, like I said before, all this thinking is starting to make my
head hurt so it's time to consult the Holy Caerulean Archives on the
subject of Nibiru (aka Nancy's "Planet X") and Pole Shifts and stuff:
On the page dedicated to Brother Malachi Z. York at:
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/brethren/malachi.htm
...we read that Nibiru is that weird MotherPlane(tm) (space ship)
which Minister Farrakhan warned us all about. You know, that space
ship filled up to the rim with angry Negro Space Aliens which will
come to destroy the White Man's Kingdoms real soon now:
-=oOo=-
In the Holy Tabernacle Ministries, whereas we concentrate on the here
and now, we also place great importance on the past and the future of
our journey back through the stars on the mother ship with The Lamb.
We regard our family as a long endless golden chain of which we of the
present are only a link to The All. We honor our prestigious Anunnaki
or Elohims' ancestors who came down in Nibiru from Illyuwn [from
whence also, haileth Brother Illya Kuryakin, U.N.C.L.E. -B:.B:.], The
19th galaxy, from the 8th planet of that galaxy called Rizq by way of
the Orion skies; On into this Milky way first making residence in the
planet now called Mars, originally called Lahmu.
-=oOo=-
Well, that's all for now but there's lots more stuff about Brother
York and the Space Ship full of angry Negro Space Aliens if you want
to read about it on the B:.B:. site. Plus, there's a USENET post
about Minister Farrakhan I put up about a month or so ago. It's kinda
kewl too.
So, that's about it for now!
Have a nice day, everybody.
-Brother Blue, B:.B:.
Sublime Lodge of the Blue Brethren
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/
Zeta Fraud
> "Zeta Fraud" (zeta...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
> > Nancy was on there claiming the Earth will stop rotating and when
> > George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried
> > to push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st
> > when George challenged her.
>
> That is completely untrue. Nancy quoted other people who
> asked, "What does 'soon after May 15' mean? Three months?"
> when George interrupted her. Nancy never once said anything
> but that planet X would make its "passage" soon after May 15
> and well before June 1. Exactly what she's been saying for
> months, and consistent with what she's been saying for years.
>
> You do no good when you mis-state what she actually said.
She's been saying May 15th since last year. Nobody is buying your
apologist ZetaCrap.
> > She says we have to eat weeds and catch fish.
>
> A weed is a plant that is growing in a place that someone
> doesn't want it to be. Wheat growing in the middle of a lawn
> would be a weed.
Who the hell grows wheat in their yard?
> > Then Nancy slipped up and said "IF" i am right, realized her goof
> > and then claimed George brought up the question of "IF".
>
> She didn't slip up there. It wasn't a goof. There is nothing
> wrong with saying "if" about something you know perfectly well.
> If the Sun is shining right now, the grass is growing. Does
> that statement imply that I'm not sure that the Sun is shining
> right now? In fact, I know for certain that the Sun is shining
> on the grass outside my window as I type this.
>
> Nancy did go through a lot of explanation of her use of the
> word "if", but if people like you and George Noory are going to
> jump on her for using the word, then she has to explain the
> obvious.
Nancy's a fraud. Get over it. You can't admit Nancy's a fraud
because you've been suckered out of a lot of money and you'll look
like a complete jackass when May 15 shows up and NOTHING happens.
> > She also claims she is the source of the date "May 15th". Naturally
> > any ego-maniac sociopath cult leader would claim they're the source
> > of the date for the end of the world. Why? So they can bilk their
> > braindead cult followers out of their money, posessions and freedom.
>
> Do you have any reason to think that she was not the original
> source of the date? As far as I know, she's right: the date
> originated with her.
Ah. So you're admitting Nancy is an ego-maniac sociopathic cult
leader. Thank you. ;-)
> > Nancy claimed that sci.astro was destroying Zetatalk and Usenet.
>
> That isn't what I heard her say. I heard her say that regular
> sci.astro posters destroyed sci.astro last summer when they
> posted trash in response to her posts. Obviously no better
> than what you claim she said, but different.
Oh really. Then why did she say the postings were destroying all of
Usenet. There's millions of witnesses who heard her say it.
You're just as delusional as she is.
> > She was also claiming her Zeta Drones were being stalked and
> > fired from their jobs.
>
> I didn't hear that. I may have missed it, but I thought I
> heard nearly everything that was said.
She did say it. Ask any rational person who listened to Coast last
night. Quit covering for Nancy's fraudulent ass and wake up!
> > Another caller called up and said the whole Planet X scenario
> > was borrowed from the book "When Worlds Collide". George asked
> > Nancy if she lifted her Planet X theory from "When Worlds Collide",
> > Nancy denied it and said she read Zecharia Sitchin's books(where it
> > describes a planet coming around every 3600 years). So she obviously
> > ripped off Sitchin and is trying to claim Planet X(Nibiru) is showing
> > up on May 15th.
>
> I agree with this. I never heard of Sitchin until last year,
> and haven't read any of his crap, but it is obvious that many
> of Nancy's ideas are from him and Velikovsky, rather than from
> "mainstream" science fiction stories.
So you freely admit that Nancy Lieder is a plagarizer. Your worship
of the false-prophet Nancy is breaking.
> > In response to another caller who asked where he could see Planet X,
> > Nancy couldn't even pronounce "Aldebaran", which is the main star of
> > constellation Taurus.
>
> That surprised me. She didn't merely have trouble saying it
> (read Arthur C. Clarke's 'Jupiter 5' for a cute reference to
> this problem), she didn't know how it is pronounced.
Now you're admitting Nancy is not all-knowing. Nancy WILL blacklist
you from the cult for that one.
> > The second caller brought up the subject of Nancy "killing herself"
> > if Planet X didn't show up.
>
> I thought that was awful. As she explained, she never said
> anything like that.
>
> > Nancy countered with the "burned at the stake" comment. Wink wink.
>
> I don't know what your winks mean.
Implying. Hint and a nod. You don't know much about human behavior.
No wonder Nancy suckered you into her cult.
Nancy said when she was on
> the program last November that if planet X didn't show up, she
> would be "burned at the stake" (by the people who she misled).
> I don't know how literally she meant that. She seems to think
> that she would in fact be killed.
Yeah right, blame the victims. Another trait of a cult leader.
> > The fifth caller told Nancy about a three day's of darkness dream
> > and asked what would happen to people during the time of Planet X.
> > She basically said people shouldn't be indoors and lie down in a
> > trench during a "deluging rain"! In other words, drown in a ditch
> > because Nancy says so!
>
> Nancy's advice was sensible for the conditions she's talking
> about. Outdoors to avoid collapsing structures, and sheltered
> from the hurricane-force winds by something like a ditch. If
> I somehow manged to find myself in the middle of a hurricane
> and a major earthquake simultaneously, that is the advice I
> would follow.
So you'd drown in a ditch for Nancy. Gotcha.
> > The sixth caller claimed he had anxiety attacks about Planet X,
> > asked if Northern Ontario would be safe and if it was safe to be
> > in a mobile home. The Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that the high ground
> > of Northern Ontario would be safe. Nancy accidently switched to
> > Nancy mode by saying "This is Nancy Lieder in Wisconsin"
>
> Accidentally?? Wrong.
Really? Millions of Coast listeners and George Noory heard
otherwise.
> > and said more nonsense about securing his mobile home
>
> It sounded like pretty good avice for mobile home owners in
> general. Those things are the first to get trashed when a
> tornado comes through.
Earth to Zetadrone. They don't have tornadoes in Northern Ontario.
It's too cold for them to form.
> > and then to top it off she ended with the words "End of Zetatalk".
> > Nancy's so nuts she can't even tell when her personalies are
> > switching.
>
> She said it was the end of Zetatalk. It was. Maybe it ended
> a minute earlier, but either way she wanted to indicate that it
> had ended. She says the words are always hers, never those of
> the Zetas. She didn't mess up there, and it was no indicator
> of her schizophrenia.
You admit Nancy has schizophrenia?!!!! Uh OH!!!! Nancy's going to
come after you now!!!!!
> > George asked if the "Zeta's(Nancy)" if they like exposure. The
> > "Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that they don't contact humans, which
> > completely contradicts the reason they(Nancy) chose Nancy.
>
> That seemed contradictory to me, too. I'd almost like to hear
> Nancy try to explain that better. Almost.
She can't explain it. By saying "Almost" you're waking up from
Nancy's spell.
> > The tenth caller asked Nancy about finding a woman to have a
> > relationship with, get naked and eat chili.(sounds like a some
> > sicko fetish to me depending on what the "chili" means).
>
> It just sounded like a silly joke, to me. Noory kept repeating
> "chili", several times, like he was trying to clue the listeners
> in on a joke. But if it *was* a joke, I didn't get it. Anyone?
Cult followers are the most clueless people on the planet. That's
why they drink Kool-Aid and eat applesauce when the cult leader tells
them to.
> > George once again asked if Planet X would come around between May
> > 15th and June 1st. Nancy replied by telling people to be in their
> > safe places.
>
> In the last chat, a week ago, she said that she knew the exact
> date of the "passage". I don't think she ever said that before.
> Last night she confirmed that, and added that the rotation
> stoppage would occur soon after May 15 and the "passage" would
> be about a week later, around May 22.
No, she said within a week. Last year she was saying Planet X would
show up on May 15th, now she's backpedaling to a week late and also to
June 1st. More evidence that Nancy is a fraud.
> > At least George had a sense of humor by playing Fleetwood Mac's
> > "Tell Me Lies" as the bumper music as he went into the break.
> > I don't think George is buying Nancy's B.S. for one second.
>
> Obviously.
So you think Nancy is spewing B.S. and George Noory isn't buying it.
Now the other ZetaDrones are going to drag you off to a re-education
camp and make you repent your sins against Nancy.
> > It's obvious to anyone there's going to be a huge Kool-Aid party
> > on May 15th.
>
> That isn't obvious at all. I have seen absolutely nothing that
> suggests it. The only mention of such things come from people
> like you.
People like me. You mean people not brainwashed by Nancy who can see
the obvious when Nancy's claptrap is compared to the scribblings of
Jim Jones, David Koresh or Marshall Applewhite.
> > The fact that Nancy kept bringing up the subject of "burning at the
> > stake" also raises the possibility of self immolation by the
> > ZetaDrones, just like what happened with the Solar Temple cult
> > in the late 1990's.
>
> I see absolutely no hint of anything like that.
Of course not. Nancy is GOD the almighty and is 1,000,000,000,000
percent correct. Obviously there's no hope for you. Go ahead and
drink your Kool-Aid and eat your applesauce on May 15th so you can
shed your container.
Zeta Fraud
Thomas McDonald
news:<fe58c440.0304...@posting.google.com>...
> > "Zeta Fraud" (zeta...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> >
> > > Nancy was on there claiming the Earth will stop rotating and when
> > > George asked her about nothing happening on May 15th, Nancy tried
> > > to push the date back to 3 months and then backed off to June 1st
> > > when George challenged her.
> >
> > That is completely untrue. Nancy quoted other people who
> > asked, "What does 'soon after May 15' mean? Three months?"
> > when George interrupted her. Nancy never once said anything
> > but that planet X would make its "passage" soon after May 15
> > and well before June 1. Exactly what she's been saying for
> > months, and consistent with what she's been saying for years.
> >
> > You do no good when you mis-state what she actually said.
>
> She's been saying May 15th since last year. Nobody is buying your
> apologist ZetaCrap.
>
<snip>
Zeta Fraud,
Read more closely, and look a bit before you leap. Jeff Root isn't a
Zetadrone or an apologist for the real Zetafraud, Nancy. If he corrects
your impressions of what Nancy said, or has his own interpretations, that is
to be expected as between two thinking persons. No cause to read into his
post anything other than that.
Jeff (as distinct from the recent Zetadrone "jeff") seems to be an
idependent thinker, and careful in his observations. He has put the wood to
Nancy and pals lots of times; and he has called some of us "debunker" types
when we get a bit incautious with the facts. I personally think he's too
nice to the moronic; but that's more likely a flaw in my character than in
his.
Tom McDonald
Ugly Bob
<jsc...@NOSPAMpirl.lpl.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:b8et06$7jv$1...@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> In sci.astro Fin Fahey <f...@albedo.no-spam.demon.co.uk> wrote on Sat, 26
Apr 2003 08:38:39 +0100:
>
> :FF You are so totally a NASA information agent. I've got my fingers in my
ears
> :FF lest I might inadvertently absorb this informational poison what you
are
> :FF spewing all over this newsgroup. How will you live with yourself when
them
> :FF people what are scheduled to die really do the actual death bit? Eh?
Eh? At
> :FF best you are a Scottiist (the let 'em drown' faction [which,
admittedly, has
> :FF its attractions] ), but you definitely have issues being as how you
are
> :FF telling us things like what you are telling us and like that....
>
> :FF Yeah, and, um, er, where was I...
>
> :FF :) : ) :)
>
> Hey, Cool! I have my own following now: the "Scottiists". Excellent.
Hey, can I be a Scottiist if i'm already a Charestian (He's
risen from the dead, you know)?
-Ugly Bob
DrPostman
wrote:
And you thought you were tired of this ;)
Martyn Harrison
>the obvious when Nancy's claptrap is compared to the scribblings of
>Jim Jones, David Koresh or Marshall Applewhite.
I'm not following the references to "kool aid" and "applesauce".
What's all that about?
Not american, I was thinking it was just a soft drink but it's used
here like it means poison or something.
Darren Garrison
Koolaide and applesauce were used as the poison delivery methods to the members of Jim Jones and
Marshall Applewhite's cults, respectively. Here are summaries on both incidents that I googled from
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/cults1.html :
Reverend Jim Jones & The People's Temple (900+) Jim Jones, the son of a Klansman, considered himself
the reincarnation of both Jesus and Lenin. He was also endowed with a huge penis which he used
repeatedly in the name of Christ. Jim had visions of an impending nuclear holocaust in which only
the towns of Ukiah, California and Belo Horizonte, Brazil would survive. With that in mind, he
relocated his first People's Temple to Ukiah to await the Armageddon.
Tired of waiting for the third world war, he moved his church to San Francisco where he received
numerous humanitarian awards and became the Chairman of the city's Housing Authority. It was there
that he first practiced a ritual called "White Nights" in which he prepared his followers for an act
of revolutionary suicide to protest racism and fascism.
By 1977, as things started getting weirder, he was forced to move his church to Guyana, South
America. There, in the isolation of the jungle, Jimmy created his dream community, Jonestown, and
lost his mind. Jim's nirvana rapidly deteriorated into a nightmare which he knew of only one way to
end.
On November 18, 1978, Congressman Leo Ryan from San Francisco went on a fact-finding mission
investigating alleged human rights abuses at Jonestown. After only a day at the jungle compound, a
member tried to stab Ryan. The injury was minor, but Ryan decided to leave with his party and 18
temple members who wanted to to return to the United States. Other members of the cult followed the
group to the airstrip and opened fire, killing Ryan, three journalists, and one of the departing
members. Eleven others were injured.
Hours later, the good reverend ordered his followers to drink from a tub of grape-flavored
Fla-Vor-Aid laced with potassium cyanide and tranquilizers. All 900+ did. Children died first;
babies were killed by poison squirted into their mouths with a syringe. Then the adults. Most were
poisoned, some forcibly. Some were shot by security guards. As the ritual suicide progressed, it is
unclear whether Jim put a bullet through his brain, or someone did it for him.
Within a few months of the mass deaths, other People's Temple members who had survived also
committed suicide, with one mother slitting the throats of her three children. A year later,
ex-People's Temple members Jeanne and Al Mills and their daughter Linda, who had been speaking out
about their cult experience, were shot to death in their Berkeley, CA home. They had become among
the most vocal People's Temple critics and feared for their safety.
When the bodies came back home, many could not be identified. Several cemeteries refused to take
them until the Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland stepped forward in 1979 and accepted 409 bodies. The
remaining victims had been cremated or buried in family cemeteries.
Jonestown itself has all but vanished, stripped by villagers and consumed by a fire in the early
1980s. Some believe that Jimmy was linked to the CIA and that the Jonestown massacre was in fact a
mind control experiment. If it was, it was a total success. Years later, serial killer Henry Lee
Lucas confessed that he did indeed personally delivered the cyanide to his "good friend, Jim Jones."
Every year, on November 18, a memorial is held at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland, California, where
260 People's Temple children are buried. Due to the lack of dental records, the children were never
able to be identified and thus were buried together there. On the 20th anniversary of the mass
suicide, Liz Aguirre, president of Ultraseal International, hand-delivered a $5,000 check to finance
a Vietnam memorial-type 20-foot wall to be erected in the cemetary. The black, granite panels of the
memorial will have the names and ages of the victims inscribed as well as a dedication written by
poet Maya Angelou.
Heaven's Gate (40) The only "doomsday-cult-web-design-team" of the Archives. On March 26, 1997, 39
members of "Heaven's Gate" decided to "shed their containers" and get on a companion craft hiding in
the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet. The resulting mass suicide of 21 women and 18 men, ages 26 to 72,
all sporting buzzcuts, dressed alike in trendy black pants, oversized shirts, and brand new black
Nikes, was unlike any other mass suicide in the Archives. The dead, discovered by two sheriff
deputies after an anonymous tip, were found in an antiseptic multi-million dollar mansion in Rancho
Santa Fe, an exclusive community north of San Diego. They were all lying on their backs on cots and
bunkbeds throughout the mansion covered with triangular purple shrouds with their hands to their
sides in a prone position. Officers at the scene said it appeared, "as if they had fallen asleep."
The Heaven Gaters died in three shifts over a three-day period after celebrating their last meal on
earth at a Marie Callender's in Carlsbad. 15 cultist died the first day, 15 the second and the
remaining nine the third day. As one set of cultist ingested the poison, a lethal dose of
phenobarbital mixed in with pudding and/or applesauce and chased with a shot of vodka, they would
lie down and another cultist would use a plastic bag to speed up the dying. A frighteningly
anal-retentive mass suicide, the cultist would clean up after each round of killing. Before the last
two killed themselves, they took out the trash leaving the rented mansion in perfect order. Wanting
to be helpful even after dead, all bodies had some sort of identification. Strangely, though, they
also had five-dollar bill and change in their pockets and small suitcases neatly tucked under the
cots and beds.
In their own special blend of millennial prophecy, the Heaven Gaters -- after watching too many
episodes of the "X-Files" -- decided that, after 20 years of waiting, a spaceship flying behind the
Hale-Bopp comet was finally coming to pick them up. As the Heaven's Gate web site cryptically
states, "The joy is that our Older Member in the Evolutionary Level above human has made it clear to
us that Hale-Bopp's approach is the 'marker' we've been waiting for. ... Our 22 years of classroom
here on planet Earth is finally coming to conclusion 'graduation' from the Human Evolutionary Level.
We are happily prepared to leave 'this world' and go with Ti's crew."
Ti refers to Bonnie Lu Trusdale a cofounder of the cult who died of cancer in 1985. The cult first
surfaced as the "UFO Cult" in 1975 when Marshall H. Applewhite, a sexually confused music teacher
and opera singer, met Nettles who was working as a nurse in a psychiatric hospital where Applegate
was looking for a cure for his homosexual impulses. Years later, together with seven other members
of the cult, Applegate was surgically castrated leading one to believe that he finally took care of
those "bothersome instincts."
At first Trusdale and Applewhite became known as "The Two." They survived nomadically under
different -- yet colorful -- names: "The Him and the Her Cult," "Bo and Peep," "Ti and Do, "Human
Individual Metamorphosis," "H.I.M.," "Total Overcomers Anonymous," "Computer Nomads" "Higher
Source," and finally, "Heaven's Gate." At one point they managed to amass more than 200 members as
they crisscrossed the country holding meetings in public places, promising followers celestial bliss
and a ride in a UFO. There was even a TV movie made about them called The Mysterious Two, starring
John Forsythe and Phyllis Pointer. Prophetically, in a 1979 book called "Messengers of Deception,"
Jacques Valee quoted a woman who had met "The Two" saying: "These two people are dangerous. It is
not hypnosis. It is thought transplant." (Thanks to our friends at 60 Greatest Conspiracies for
digging up this little tidbit)
Heaven's Gate, and it's business branch, Higher Source, existed as a new-age blend of Christianity
and ufology. In their last incarnation they proudly supported themselves by making web sites at
cut-rate prices. In their web site, dubbed by Time Magazine the most elaborate suicide note in
history, they state that suicide was wrong for nonmembers but an acceptable way for cult members to
ascend to a higher level of life. There are other references throughout the site to the sieges at
Waco, Texas, Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Adding fuel to the millennial mix, a purpose statement the group
obliquely links a philosophy of bodies moving on to other levels to the resurrection of Jesus
Christ. Allegedly Do claimed to have been born in a different planet and that his mission on earth
was the same as that of Jesus. In a bizarre recruiting tape with messianic overtones Applewhite --
looking very much like My Favorite Martian with bugged-out eyes -- states that, "the planet is about
to be recycled. The last chance to survive or evacuate is to leave with us."
In the Higher Source Web site, the group proudly proclaims that they are a sophisticated web site
design company that offers programming, systems analysis, and computer security services, as well as
Java and VRML. "We at Higher Source not only cater to customizing Web sites that will enhance your
company image, but strive to make your transition into the 'world of cyberspace' a very easy and
fascinating experience." Tom Goodspeed, manager of the San Diego Polo Club, who had the group design
their Web site thought the did "excellent work" and were "very talented. "They were some of the most
pleasant people I've ever worked with." Others thought they were harmless "space cadets."
The section "The Difference" in the Higher Source Web site states: "The individuals at the core of
our group have worked closely together for over 20 years. During those years, each of us has
developed a high degree of skill and know-how through personal discipline and concerted effort. We
try to stay positive in every circumstance and put the good of a project above any personal concerns
or artistic egos. By sustaining this attitude and conduct, we have achieved a high level of
efficiency and quality in our work."
On May 6, 1997, two more members fo the cult decided to "exit their vehicles" and join their
classmates and teachers in an Encinitas Holiday Inn Express four miles from the cult's Rancho Santa
Fe mausoleum. One died, the other was found unconscious and is now in critical condition in Scripps
Memorial Hospital in Encinitas.
The two men were found with small tote bags next to them, dressed in star trekking black, wearing
black Nikes, with purple shrouds next to them, and five dollar bills in their pockets. Wayne Cooke
of Las Vegas was found dead with a plastic bag on his head. Chuck Humphrey of Denver was still alive
with a plastic bag near him suggesting that he had second thoughts about dying. Like those who went
before, they both ingested phenobarbital washed down with vodka.
Cooke, who's wife was among the 39 cultist who committed suicide in March, said in an interview on
CBS' 60 Minutes: "I wish I had the strength to have stuck it out and gotten stronger and continued
to be a part of that crew." On his videotaped "exit statement" which was sent to family members and
CNN, the star-crossed cultist said he wanted to "assure people, number one, that I'm sane and I'm
happy. I want very much to join my classmates and my teachers ... I've never doubted my connection
with them." He concluded his comments by saying "Goodbye" with a smile.
At a San Diego news conference after the March mass suicide, Humphrey, 56, said, "I left the group
because it had been 15 years, because many of the things we were told were going to happen didn't...
I got tired of waiting." In his "exit statement" he erroneously states: "By now you should be aware
that I ... too have exited my vehicle... I do not pretend to have accomplished my task of overcoming
this human vehicle and gaining the degree of control I would have liked, but nonetheless, I know who
I am and that I must go back with them whether I am ready or not... I'd rather gamble on missing the
bus this time than staying on this planet and risk losing my soul." Sadly for him, he both missed
the bus and lost his soul.
According to Dick Joslyn, a former cultist, Humphrey had grown frustrated by the lack of attention
given to the group's ideas. "He was a little discouraged by the inability to get the word out. He
made it clear to me that when his work was done, he would go too. Humphrey, one of the brains behind
the Higher Source web design team, "was supposed to spread information about the 'next level' and
maintain the Internet site." Apparently, when someone "commandeered" the site, he tried to kill
himself.
John Jones
"Martyn Harrison" <martyn....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:43gnav045j4o4v8sk...@4ax.com...
In 1979, the Reverend Jim Jones and his 900 or so Peoples Temple
cult members drank kool-aid laced with cyanide when it became
apparent his cult had run it's course.
In 1997, Marshall Applewhite and his Heaven's Gate UFO Kook Cult
heard on the Art Bell radio program that there was a spce ship
hiding behind comet Hale-Bopp. Believing it was coming to 'take
them home', they decided to discard their earthly vehicles
('bodies' to non-kooks) by eating applesauce laced with toxic
levels of phenobarbital.
Oddly, they each put a roll of US quarters (Coind woth 25 cents)
in their pockets before lying down for a dirt-nap. I don't know
how that was supposed to work, but I guess they thought they'd
need for the video games on board that mothership.
>
>
Idon't
> <jsc...@NOSPAMpirl.lpl.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> news:b8et06$7jv$1...@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > In sci.astro Fin Fahey <f...@albedo.no-spam.demon.co.uk> wrote on Sat, 26
> Apr 2003 08:38:39 +0100:
> >
> > :FF You are so totally a NASA information agent. I've got my fingers in my
> ears
> > :FF lest I might inadvertently absorb this informational poison what you
> are
> > :FF spewing all over this newsgroup. How will you live with yourself when
> them
> > :FF people what are scheduled to die really do the actual death bit? Eh?
> Eh? At
> > :FF best you are a Scottiist (the let 'em drown' faction [which,
> admittedly, has
> > :FF its attractions] ), but you definitely have issues being as how you
> are
> > :FF telling us things like what you are telling us and like that....
>
> > :FF Yeah, and, um, er, where was I...
>
> > :FF :) : ) :)
> >
> > Hey, Cool! I have my own following now: the "Scottiists". Excellent.
>
> Hey, can I be a Scottiist if i'm already a Charestian (He's
> risen from the dead, you know)?
>
> -Ugly Bob
Let's just worship Cher- Cher will never die- Cher never ages- Wears
clothes well- Doesn't smell bad- Cher must be God. (all the people
chant)Cher...Cher...Cher...
I
DrPostman
>Let's just worship Cher- Cher will never die- Cher never ages- Wears
>clothes well- Doesn't smell bad- Cher must be God. (all the people
>chant)Cher...Cher...Cher...
She ain't got no knockers. Ain't worshipful in my book. God made
titties for a reason.
mm
> Let's just worship Cher- Cher will never die- Cher never ages- Wears
> clothes well- Doesn't smell bad- Cher must be God. (all the people
> chant)Cher...Cher...Cher...
LOL... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.... thanks ;-)
Jeff Root
> Read more closely, and look a bit before you leap. Jeff Root isn't
> a Zetadrone or an apologist for the real Zetafraud, Nancy. If he
> corrects your impressions of what Nancy said, or has his own
> interpretations, that is to be expected as between two thinking
> persons. No cause to read into his post anything other than that.
>
> Jeff (as distinct from the recent Zetadrone "jeff") seems to be an
> idependent thinker, and careful in his observations. He has put the
> wood to Nancy and pals lots of times; and he has called some of us
> "debunker" types when we get a bit incautious with the facts. I
> personally think he's too nice to the moronic; but that's more likely
> a flaw in my character than in his.
so much easier to reply to "Zeta Fraud" if I decide to reply.
Last spring and summer Michael Cunningham was using pretty
harsh language against Nancy and the Zeta followers. Sometime
last fall he seems to have realized that he could do better,
and started using less invective and more explanation. I was
impressed by that change. I thought, if Michael can do it, so
can I. I get angry at people when they act stupider than they
are. My reactions are sometimes immoderate. But that doesn't
need to descend to name-calling, even if the names are accurate.
George Dishman has been an especially wonderful model. (But I
did tell George that I wonder why he wastes so much time on
mental cases.) Even if I have never gone as low as some, there
is definitely room for improvement, and your recognition of my
efforts inspires me to try to do even better.
Are you still in the Twin Cities, or Wisconsin, or where?
Have you given more thought to visiting Nancy? Where do you
plan to be for the lunar eclipse on the evening of May 15?
Jeff Root
> She's been saying May 15th since last year.
she's been saying May 15 for more than five years.
>>> She says we have to eat weeds and catch fish.
>>
>> A weed is a plant that is growing in a place that someone
>> doesn't want it to be. Wheat growing in the middle of a lawn
>> would be a weed.
>
> Who the hell grows wheat in their yard?
of your lawn, but you found some growing there, then you would
consider it to be a weed. If you did want the wheat growing
in your yard, you would not consider it to be a weed.
>>> Nancy claimed that sci.astro was destroying Zetatalk and Usenet.
>>
>> That isn't what I heard her say. I heard her say that regular
>> sci.astro posters destroyed sci.astro last summer when they
>> posted trash in response to her posts. Obviously no better
>> than what you claim she said, but different.
>
> Oh really. Then why did she say the postings were destroying
> all of Usenet. There's millions of witnesses who heard her say it.
hearing her say was more like "the Usenet sci astro newsgroup".
I may have missed a word. I didn't write my post until the
next day, and my memory of her exact words may have faded.
I'm quite certain she said nothing about sci.astro postings
destroying or even damaging ZetaTalk. I'd appreciate it if
someone bothers to check this.
>>> She was also claiming her Zeta Drones were being stalked and
>>> fired from their jobs.
>>
>> I didn't hear that. I may have missed it, but I thought I
>> heard nearly everything that was said.
>
> She did say it. Ask any rational person who listened to Coast last
> night.
everything that was said, or remembers everything they heard.
That could include me, or you.
>>> In response to another caller who asked where he could see Planet X,
>>> Nancy couldn't even pronounce "Aldebaran", which is the main star of
>>> constellation Taurus.
>>
>> That surprised me. She didn't merely have trouble saying it
>> (read Arthur C. Clarke's 'Jupiter 5' for a cute reference to
>> this problem), she didn't know how it is pronounced.
'Expedition to Earth'.
>> I thought that was awful. As she explained, she never said
>> anything like that.
>>
>>> Nancy countered with the "burned at the stake" comment. Wink wink.
>>
>> I don't know what your winks mean.
> Implying.
>>> The fifth caller told Nancy about a three day's of darkness dream
>>> and asked what would happen to people during the time of Planet X.
>>> She basically said people shouldn't be indoors and lie down in a
>>> trench during a "deluging rain"! In other words, drown in a ditch
>>> because Nancy says so!
>>
>> Nancy's advice was sensible for the conditions she's talking
>> about. Outdoors to avoid collapsing structures, and sheltered
>> from the hurricane-force winds by something like a ditch. If
>> I somehow manged to find myself in the middle of a hurricane
>> and a major earthquake simultaneously, that is the advice I
>> would follow.
>
> So you'd drown in a ditch for Nancy. Gotcha.
hurricane-force winds and a major earthquake simultaneously.
>>> The sixth caller claimed he had anxiety attacks about Planet X,
>>> asked if Northern Ontario would be safe and if it was safe to be
>>> in a mobile home. The Zeta's(Nancy) claimed that the high ground
>>> of Northern Ontario would be safe. Nancy accidently switched to
>>> Nancy mode by saying "This is Nancy Lieder in Wisconsin"
>>
>> Accidentally?? Wrong.
>
> Really? Millions of Coast listeners and George Noory heard
> otherwise.
>>> and said more nonsense about securing his mobile home
>>
>> It sounded like pretty good avice for mobile home owners in
>> general. Those things are the first to get trashed when a
>> tornado comes through.
>
> Earth to Zetadrone. They don't have tornadoes in Northern
> Ontario. It's too cold for them to form.
I said "mobile home owners in general".
>> The tenth caller asked Nancy about finding a woman to have a
>> relationship with, get naked and eat chili.(sounds like a some
>> sicko fetish to me depending on what the "chili" means).
>
> It just sounded like a silly joke, to me. Noory kept repeating
> "chili", several times, like he was trying to clue the listeners
> in on a joke. But if it *was* a joke, I didn't get it. Anyone?
pun or reference to something that made this a joke, or if he
was just over-reacting to the silliness of getting naked to
eat chili together.
>>> George once again asked if Planet X would come around between May
>>> 15th and June 1st. Nancy replied by telling people to be in their
>>> safe places.
>>
>> In the last chat, a week ago, she said that she knew the exact
>> date of the "passage". I don't think she ever said that before.
>> Last night she confirmed that, and added that the rotation
>> stoppage would occur soon after May 15 and the "passage" would
>> be about a week later, around May 22.
>
> No, she said within a week. Last year she was saying Planet X
> would show up on May 15th, now she's backpedaling to a week late
> and also to June 1st. More evidence that Nancy is a fraud.
she started saying "before June 1". On this show, she said
"well before June 1". I don't see any backpedalling on that
date, yet. On visibility, yes, but those statements were more
subject to interpretation than the dates of rotation stoppage
and "passage".
>>> It's obvious to anyone there's going to be a huge Kool-Aid party
>>> on May 15th.
>>
>> That isn't obvious at all. I have seen absolutely nothing that
>> suggests it. The only mention of such things come from people
>> like you.
>
> People like me. You mean people not brainwashed by Nancy who can
> see the obvious when Nancy's claptrap is compared to the scribblings
> of Jim Jones, David Koresh or Marshall Applewhite.
Nancy has said that I have seen or heard suggests suicide or
the desireability of suicide, other than suggesting the possible
euthanasia of pets. That is obviously a bad thing if the end
of the world as we know it is not imminent, but not a bad thing
if it is. My family has had to have two beloved cats killed
when they were suffering from extreme old age (18 years old).
My sister sat with a third cat as it died, and said it suffered
badly. It was such an awful experience for both her and the
cat that she didn't tell our mother about how bad it was.
>>> The fact that Nancy kept bringing up the subject of "burning at
>>> the stake" also raises the possibility of self immolation by the
>>> ZetaDrones, just like what happened with the Solar Temple cult
>>> in the late 1990's.
>>
>> I see absolutely no hint of anything like that.
>
> Of course not.
"burned at the stake" indicates that she either thinks or wants
the listeners to think that her followers will be really angry
at her if she turns out to have been wrong. Can you quote
anything that either Nancy or any of her followers have said
which *actually* suggests the possibility of suicide?
Greg Neill
news:fe58c440.0304...@posting.google.com...
>
> Are you still in the Twin Cities, or Wisconsin, or where?
> Have you given more thought to visiting Nancy? Where do you
> plan to be for the lunar eclipse on the evening of May 15?
What do you suppose are the odds that Nancy will
claim that the odd appearance of the Moon during
the eclipse is due to PX? After all, it should
appear to go reddish in hue.
Thomas McDonald
"Jeff Root" <je...@FreeMars.org> wrote in message
news:fe58c440.0304...@posting.google.com...
I don't always agree with you, but I've never doubted your integrity or
your reason. I think Zeta Fraud thinks that if one is not in lock-step,
then one is in opposition. That way lies madness and narrow-mindedness. I
can't abide that.
I'm still living in western Wisconsin, within TV reception range of the
Cities. I have lost all interest in a road-trip to the Zeta Queen. While
an offer of an observing session for Nancy outside her place in Wisconsin at
the end of her string has a nice parallelism with the previous one in
California, the tawdry behavior of Nancy and her minions on this NG, and in
the wider world, has soured me on seeing this as a comedy or a drama. It's
just sad and pathetic, and fairly distasteful, to me now. (Except, of
course, the funny bits.)
As for the lunar eclipse, I intend to find a dark site near my house and
try for some 35mm and digital (_very_ low-end) imaging. I was in the
southern Arizona desert for the last one, in 2000, and remember having a
good time. Except, of course, that that night, almost alone in the months I
spent there that winter, was cloudy, and my best shots were through small
breaks in some slightly-less-dense high clouds. Maybe I'll have better luck
here. (Shit. Shouldn't have written that out loud. Anyone know a good
astronomical counter-juju spell?)
Hope you get a good sight of the eclipse.
Tom McDonald
Ugly Bob
Carl R. Osterwald
Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
> zeta...@hotmail.com (Zeta Fraud) wrote in message
> news:<9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
> > deal with "Planet X Gate"
>
> Nah. No Hale-Bopp here. Hale-Bopp was truly a remarkable happening,
> maybe the most spectacular comet in recorded human history.
Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
show that Hale-Bopp was.
-=-=-=-=-
"The Entities' message for the day is that they are space
colonists from Sirius, who initially had settled on the
Red Planet Mars, before moving on to our Earth."
-- Kansan1225 on window pane again.
Paul Schlyter
> In article <7059619f.03042...@posting.google.com>, Spread
> Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
>
>> zeta...@hotmail.com (Zeta Fraud) wrote in message
>> news:<9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com>...
>>
>>> Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
>>> deal with "Planet X Gate"
>>
>> Nah. No Hale-Bopp here. Hale-Bopp was truly a remarkable happening,
>> maybe the most spectacular comet in recorded human history.
>
> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
> show that Hale-Bopp was.
public! I know several people who enjoyed Hale-Bopp but completely
missed Hyakutake -- no, they were not skygazers but merely causal
skyviewers.
At brightest, Hale-Bopp and Hyakutake were about equally bright.
However, Hyakutake remained this bright for less than a week, while
Hale-Bopp remained near its greatest brightness for two full months.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Grev Turegatan 40, S-114 38 Stockholm, SWEDEN
e-mail: pausch at saaf dot se
WWW: http://hem.passagen.se/pausch/index.html
http://home.tiscali.se/~pausch/
tho...@antispam.ham
> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
> show that Hale-Bopp was.
That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
tho...@antispam.ham
> At brightest, Hale-Bopp and Hyakutake were about equally bright.
Well, it's difficult to compute integrated brightness when so much
pf the light is spread over a long tail, but the nuclear magnitude
of Hale-Bopp was nearly a magnitude brighter than for Hyakutake.
Clave
news:flera.12624$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I spent in
our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both unaided.
Jim
tho...@antispam.ham
>> Carl R. Osterwald writes:
>>> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
>>> show that Hale-Bopp was.
>> That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
>> came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
>> tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
> But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I spent in
> our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both unaided.
Nothing I said contradicts that.
Clave
news:1Gera.12639$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
Didn't say it did.
Jim
Dan McKenna
Paul Schlyter wrote:
> In article <280420030856045001%i...@mac.com>, Carl R. Osterwald <i...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <7059619f.03042...@posting.google.com>, Spread
> > Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
> >
> >> zeta...@hotmail.com (Zeta Fraud) wrote in message
> >> news:<9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com>...
> >>
> >>> Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
> >>> deal with "Planet X Gate"
> >>
> >> Nah. No Hale-Bopp here. Hale-Bopp was truly a remarkable happening,
> >> maybe the most spectacular comet in recorded human history.
> >
> > Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
> > show that Hale-Bopp was.
>
> To experienced observers perhaps, but definitely not to the general
> public! I know several people who enjoyed Hale-Bopp but completely
> missed Hyakutake -- no, they were not skygazers but merely causal
> skyviewers.
>
> At brightest, Hale-Bopp and Hyakutake were about equally bright.
> However, Hyakutake remained this bright for less than a week, while
> Hale-Bopp remained near its greatest brightness for two full months.
Hale-Bopp was a comet ? All this time I thought it was a dance.
D.
Carl R. Osterwald
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote:
Exactly, it was much closer. Also, when I saw Hale-Bopp, it wasn't all
that high in the western sky. Hayakutake, OTH, nearly filled the
entire northern sky. Beautiful, an amazing sight.
earthli...@yahoo.com
> In article <7059619f.03042...@posting.google.com>, Spread
> Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
>
> > zeta...@hotmail.com (Zeta Fraud) wrote in message
> > news:<9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have to
> > > deal with "Planet X Gate"
> >
> > Nah. No Hale-Bopp here. Hale-Bopp was truly a remarkable happening,
> > maybe the most spectacular comet in recorded human history.
>
> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
> show that Hale-Bopp was.
>
expect to see another comet come close to its beauty in my lifetime.
Hale-Bopp was the biggest comet of the century, but it wasn't nearly
as spectacular as Hayakutake.
Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
[...]
> Anyways, like I said before, all this thinking is starting to make my
> head hurt so it's time to consult the Holy Caerulean Archives on the
> subject of Nibiru (aka Nancy's "Planet X") and Pole Shifts and stuff:
>
> On the page dedicated to Brother Malachi Z. York at:
> http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/brethren/malachi.htm
>
> ...we read that Nibiru is that weird MotherPlane(tm) (space ship)
> which Minister Farrakhan warned us all about. You know, that space
> ship filled up to the rim with angry Negro Space Aliens which will
> come to destroy the White Man's Kingdoms real soon now:
[...]
> ...there's lots more stuff about Brother
> York and the Space Ship full of angry Negro Space Aliens if you want
> to read about it on the B:.B:. site. Plus, there's a USENET post
> about Minister Farrakhan I put up about a month or so ago. It's kinda
> kewl too.
Yup ... here it is.
I found it on the desk buried under a bunch of interoffice memos,
classified briefings, old cigarette butts, empty bottles of beer and
Captain Morgan Spiced Rum and a couple empty little ziplock baggies:
Date: 2003-02-24 16:56:13 PST
Greetings, Multi-Coloured Brethren;
As we were perusing some material dropped off at The Lodge the other
day by a relatively bigotted young Black Brother, we noted an
intriguing aside in an article by Nation of Islam author Jabril
Muhammad. The article, entitled _Are You Still Waiting for Jesus?_
[from _The Final Call_, 18 February, 2003] stated in an oddly well
off-topic aside:
"Did you know that a scientist taught his students in an automotive
class, not long ago, that emmission-free substances have been
developed that will enable you to drive from Phoenix, Arizona to
Washington D.C. for about seven dollars? He demonstrated it too.
"You may say, 'I never heard of this.' So what! There is a lot we've
never heard of and don't know!
"You and I don't know what's happening with a certain group of
penguins down there on the South Pole or among the Black Beings on
Mars, either."
The ... uhh ... "Black Beings on Mars?"
Now although we remain essentially unaware of intergalactic racial
prejudice as a major shaping memetic factor in the various
Weltanschauungs of this terran species, we did nevertheless recall a
related quote by the emminent Dr. Richard "Hot Tub" Boylan:
"Furthermore, Agent Grace's attempt to make the Reptoid race of
visiting extraterrestrials into cosmic 'niggers' by attributing all
manner of evil to them as a race is false, unjust, blatantly racist,
and does not belong in civilized discussion about the different races
of extraterrestrials."
[from http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/brethren/boylanre.htm]
-=oOo=-
And we also recalled with great warmth the delightfully kooky
ramblings of another apparent intergalactic bigot, the esteemed Dr.
Malachi Z. York:
-=oOo=-
::: Brother Malachi York :::
The Holy Nubian ET Prophet of Holy Tabernacle Intergalactic Ministries
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/brethren/malachi.htm
"In the Holy Tabernacle Ministries, whereas we concentrate on the here
and now, we also place great importance on the past and the future of
our journey back through the stars on the mother ship with The Lamb.
"We regard our family as a long endless golden chain of which we of
the present are only a link to The All. We honor our prestigious
Anunnaki or Elohims' ancestors who came down in Nibiru from illyuwn,
The 19th galaxy, from the 8th planet of that galaxy called Rizq by way
of the Orion skies; On into this Milky way first making residence in
the planet now called Mars, originally called Lahmu."
-=oOo=-
Still, it caught us by some surprise just how timely is this
re-examination of the Nation of Islam's
spokesman/prophet/quasi-Messiah, Minister Louis Farrakhan:
-=oOo=-
[from http://www.allaahuakbar.net/nation/louis_farrakhan_liar_extraordinaire.htm]
The NOI was also shaped by a Depression-era con-man, and convicted
drug dealer, Wallace Dodd Ford. Upon Ford's 1929 release from
California's San Quentin Prison, he moved to Detroit to start a new
life. Ford used a number of names, including Wali Farad and Master
Fard and claimed to be from Mecca, Arabia. Being that Ford's parentage
was a mixture of white and South Pacific Maori, he used his skin color
and his prison con skills to pass himself off to blacks as a "mystic"
and a "prophet" from the Middle East.
Working as a door-to-door rug salesman by day, Ford blended the ideas
of Garvey and Drew along with a smattering of Islaam, to form what
would later become the Nation of Islam. Among his first students was
an unemployed Georgia migrant worker, Elijah Poole, who Ford renamed
"Elijah Muhammad." In later years, Ford disappeared and Elijah assumed
leadership of the NOI which he held until his death in 1975.
Elijah developed an convoluted belief system based on ideas extracted
from everything from Christianity to Masonry to Islaam. He elevated
Ford's status to that of the Creator of the heavens and earth, and he
developed a myth which he dubbed, "Yacub's History." This racist
doctrine is still maintained by Louis Farrakhan.
In brief, the doctrine states that the first humans, a race of black
people, whom the NOI calls 'the Original Man,' created white people in
a genetic experiment 6,000 years ago. Elijah claimed that they (the
whites) would rule the world for 6,000 years and then be destroyed at
the 'end of their time' by the blacks. He said that 'Judgement Day'
means that at the 'end of time' the Gods (i.e., blacks) would destroy
the entire white race (devils) and then establish a Paradise (nation)
on this earth ruled forever by the blacks (i.e., Gods).
For a number of years, Farrakhan has managed to present himself as a
champion for the oppressed masses, this also is a distortion. Like his
teacher, Farrakhan has for more than 35 years engaged in hoodwinking
blacks out of money in the name of black self improvement. The only
self-improvement however, that has taken place has been for
Farrakhan's family and their associates.
Additionally, his entire inspiration for the "Million Man March" is
based on his alleged, "vision of being swept into a UFO that took him
to a larger mothership." While in the UFO, he claims to have spoken to
the late Elijah Muhammad before being beamed back to earth. (The
Washington Post, Sept. 18, 1995, p. D3).
What many do not realize, is that Farrakhan has repeated this doctrine
for more than 35 years! Indeed, Farrakhan's UFO "vision" is an
inseparable, doctrinal link to the heretical claims of Elijah
Muhammad. Elijah explained that blacks were originally, "moon people"
and that the UFO "mother wheel" was piloted by 13 youths who
perpetually orbited the earth, waiting to unleash global destruction
on whites, while rescuing all blacks. Farrakhan to this day, teaches
this same doctrine -- his inspiration for the Million Man March.
-=oOo=-
In the arcanum of magic it is declared that "he controls the soul who
controls the blood of another."
Indeed. In the arcanum of socio-cultural propaganda it is declared
that "he controls a people who controls the memes of that people."
-Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
Interdimensional Intelligence Analyst
Sacerdotal Knights of National Security
USENET Meme Acquisition and Propagation Directorate
http://www.noveltynet.org/content/paranormal/www.brotherblue.org/
dwight elvey
Hi
Hyakutake was the largest single thing ( other than our Milky Way )
ever recorded in human history. Hale-Bopp was just another
bright comet. Others were brighter.
It is a shame that most never even noticed Hyakutake. Light
polution is the major reason for this.
Dwight
Spread Eagle
> But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I spent in
> our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both unaided.
>
> Jim
Yes, that is what I was referring to. Hale-Bopp was clearly very
unique. I also saw Hyakutake, Halley, and Kohoutek. Hale-Bopp was by
far the most spectacular because of the tail. And getting back to the
point of the original post, Art's supposed problem with Heaven's Gate,
it goes directly back to the split tail being referred to as a
"companion" by Courtney Brown, etc. Like something the ancients might
have done. Some "remote viewer."
Spread Eagle
dizzy
Quit being such a jerk, tholen.
Robin
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
news:qoera.12625$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Well, it's difficult to compute integrated brightness when so much
> pf the light is spread over a long tail, but the nuclear magnitude
> of Hale-Bopp was nearly a magnitude brighter than for Hyakutake.
>
ahhhh me at home
Paul Schlyter
dwight elvey <dke...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hyakutake was the largest single thing ( other than our Milky Way )
> ever recorded in human history.
In 1910 the Earth passed THROUGH the tail of Comet Halley. This of
course meant comet Halley covered ALL of our sky while the Earth was
inside the tail. That's of course hard to observe, however tail
lengths approaching 180 degrees were reported on nearby dates.
Hyakytake's tail length was "merely" some 75 degrees or so....
> Hale-Bopp was just another bright comet. Others were brighter.
> It is a shame that most never even noticed Hyakutake. Light
> polution is the major reason for this.
Paul Schlyter
Dan McKenna <mck...@as.arizona.edu> wrote:
> Hale-Bopp was a comet ? All this time I thought it was a dance.
> D.
cellular phones. Check out:
http://www.halebop.com
(note the spelling!!!)
Martin Brown
Paul Schlyter wrote:
> In article <43258753.03042...@posting.google.com>,
> dwight elvey <dke...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hyakutake was the largest single thing ( other than our Milky Way )
> > ever recorded in human history.
>
> That's wrong!
>
> In 1910 the Earth passed THROUGH the tail of Comet Halley. This of
> course meant comet Halley covered ALL of our sky while the Earth was
> inside the tail. That's of course hard to observe, however tail
> lengths approaching 180 degrees were reported on nearby dates.
Actually whether the Earth went through the tail of Halley's comet or not
is still an open question. It was certainly a very close thing and the
tail was huge in extent. All the scam merchants were out in force selling
gas masks to protect the terminally gullible from cyanogen vapours -
there were lots of end of the world parties and prayer meetings too.
Paranoia and lunacy about the "End of the World" is not new.
And another one before that was in 1882, the Biela scare, to "celebrate"
the discovery of Holmes comet.
The last comet where it is almost certain we went through the tail was
the Great Comet of July 1861 J1. I am actively seeking contemporaneous
observations of that event from any sources. My local university library
runs out of steam at around 1880 so it requires much more effort to chase
this one down. I am particularly interested in any observations of
stratospheric clouds around sunset or dawn during the comets passage.
> Hyakytake's tail length was "merely" some 75 degrees or so....
>
> > Hale-Bopp was just another bright comet. Others were brighter.
> > It is a shame that most never even noticed Hyakutake. Light
> > polution is the major reason for this.
Nancy's Planet X is unique in one respect - it is the first one of these
crank "End of the World" scams to attach itself to an entirely fictitious
object. All the other scam merchants had at least enough common sense to
pick a real astronomical object to hang their hysterical fantasies onto.
Regards,
Martin Brown
DrPostman
wrote:
How can the split tail be called "A large, saturn-like object"?
That wasn't what fArt was referring to at all.
tho...@antispam.ham
>>>> Carl R. Osterwald writes:
>>>>> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
>>>>> show that Hale-Bopp was.
>>>> That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
>>>> came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
>>>> tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
>>> But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I spent in
>>> our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both unaided.
>> Nothing I said contradicts that.
> Didn't say it did.
Why did you start your sentence with "But"?
tho...@antispam.ham
>> Paul Schlyter writes:
>>> At brightest, Hale-Bopp and Hyakutake were about equally bright.
>> Well, it's difficult to compute integrated brightness when so much
>> pf the light is spread over a long tail, but the nuclear magnitude
>> of Hale-Bopp was nearly a magnitude brighter than for Hyakutake.
> Hi
> Hyakutake was the largest single thing ( other than our Milky Way )
> ever recorded in human history.
I don't agree with that. In 1910, the Earth supposedly passed
through the tail of comet Halley. The surface brightness may
have been low, but it would have crossed the sky.
Spread Eagle
> How can the split tail be called "A large, saturn-like object"?
>
> That wasn't what fArt was referring to at all.
Hale-Bopp's unique appearance gave rise to the hysterical
misinterpretations of it. Plus, initially, as I recall, the comet was
nearly CBDR, with a much closer approach than turned out to be the
case. I don't believe that "saturn-like" was Art's statement anyway,
per se. It was a guest who made those claims. Art just accepted it
without adequate discernment, seemingly ignorant of the possible
implications of doing so.
Spread Eagle
Clave
news:3Nrra.14169$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
Because I was adding something germane about the comparison that you'd left out.
Have you been speaking English long? Welcome to our country.
HTH,
Jim
tho...@antispam.ham
>>>>>> Carl R. Osterwald writes:
>>>>>>> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
>>>>>>> show that Hale-Bopp was.
>>>>>> That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
>>>>>> came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
>>>>>> tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
>>>>> But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I spent in
>>>>> our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both unaided.
>>>> Nothing I said contradicts that.
>>> Didn't say it did.
>> Why did you start your sentence with "But"?
> Because I was adding something germane about the comparison that you'd left out.
In which case "and" would have been more appropriate.
> Have you been speaking English long? Welcome to our country.
What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
tho...@antispam.ham
205> Are you trying to out-kook tholen? Good luck!
206> What does your ongoing evasion have to do with your hypocrisy, tholen?
206> How dare you chide someone else for not answering your questions,
206> tholen? Hypocrite.
207> Hypocrite. He answered your question, and still you antagonize.
207> Kook.
208> Note: No response.
208> Note: No response.
208> Note: No response.
208> Note: No response.
208> Answer my questions first, tholen.
209> Quit being such a jerk, tholen.
Practice what you preach, dizzy.
210> Beware of the tholen.
What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with classical music, dizzy?
What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with OS/2, dizzy?
What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with astronomy, dizzy?
Clave
news:P%zra.14526$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Clave writes:
>
> >>>>>> Carl R. Osterwald writes:
>
> >>>>>>> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
> >>>>>>> show that Hale-Bopp was.
>
> >>>>>> That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
> >>>>>> came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
> >>>>>> tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
>
> >>>>> But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I
spent in
> >>>>> our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both
unaided.
>
> >>>> Nothing I said contradicts that.
>
> >>> Didn't say it did.
>
> >> Why did you start your sentence with "But"?
>
> > Because I was adding something germane about the comparison that you'd left
out.
>
> In which case "and" would have been more appropriate.
What I said wasn't incorrect.
> > Have you been speaking English long? Welcome to our country.
>
> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
Toodles,
Jim
tho...@antispam.ham
>>>>>>>> Carl R. Osterwald writes:
>>>>>>>>> Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
>>>>>>>>> show that Hale-Bopp was.
>>>>>>>> That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
>>>>>>>> came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
>>>>>>>> tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
>>>>>>> But Hale-Bopp had *two* visible tails. The first night my wife and I spent in
>>>>>>> our house (waythehell out in the sticks), we were able to see both unaided.
>>>>>> Nothing I said contradicts that.
>>>>> Didn't say it did.
>>>> Why did you start your sentence with "But"?
>>> Because I was adding something germane about the comparison that you'd left out.
>> In which case "and" would have been more appropriate.
> What I said wasn't incorrect.
Nothing you said contradicted what I said, yet you started your remark
with "but".
Clave
news:FWAra.14540$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Clave writes:
<...>
> > Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>
> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
Jim
Ross
news:P%zra.14526$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com:
Now, Dave, be a good little boy and don't go starting any fights.
You know what they say about arguing on Usenet....
R.
--
'You're erroneously presupposing that I'm in "RL", Ross.'
- Dave Tholen, Existentialist Philosopher,
Usenet Kook of the Month for March of 1998
in news:3E2871C8...@ix.netcom.com.
Ross
news:aYAra.1031414$HU.1...@news.easynews.com:
I'm sorry, but Tholen has just identified you as an 'antogonist'. He will
start issuing 'digests' of your conversations with him. Remember two
things in Dave's World(tm):
1) Dave is always right.
2) Whne in doubt, see point 1).
Clave
news:Xns936C917...@216.168.3.44...
> Clave pulled a bright blue crayon out of the box and scribbled this in
> news:aYAra.1031414$HU.1...@news.easynews.com:
>
> ><tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
> > news:FWAra.14540$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> >> Clave writes:
> >
> ><...>
> >
> >> > Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
> >>
> >> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
> >
> > About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
> >
> > Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
> >
>
> I'm sorry, but Tholen has just identified you as an 'antogonist'.
I don't know what to say, except to thank the Academy...
> He will
> start issuing 'digests' of your conversations with him. Remember two
> things in Dave's World(tm):
>
> 1) Dave is always right.
> 2) Whne in doubt, see point 1).
I've met a more than a few incarnations of him before. See if any of this
sounds familiar:
Jim
dwight elvey
Hi
I measures Hyakutake at more than 110 degrees visual with what I'd
call only good skies. I can't tell exactly what Halley's was
but I do know that it may not have been all that visible.
Halley's is an old comet and doesn't produce all that much
display. It's claim to fame is that it was predicted. There
was another comet called the great comet of XXXX( forget the date )
that may have been comparable.
Dwight
tho...@antispam.ham
> <...>
Figures.
>>> Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
> About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
You're erroneously presupposing that I'm "whinging" about your grammar.
> Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
tho...@antispam.ham
> Ross wrote:
>> Clave wrote:
>>> I wrote:
>>>> Clave wrote:
>>> <...>
>>>>> Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>>>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>>> About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
>>>
>>> Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
>> I'm sorry, but Tholen has just identified you as an 'antogonist'.
> I don't know what to say, except to thank the Academy...
Non sequitur.
>> He will
>> start issuing 'digests' of your conversations with him. Remember two
>> things in Dave's World(tm):
>>
>> 1) Dave is always right.
>> 2) Whne in doubt, see point 1).
> I've met a more than a few incarnations of him before.
What does your unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with
astronomy?
tho...@antispam.ham
>>>> Paul Schlyter writes:
>>>>> At brightest, Hale-Bopp and Hyakutake were about equally bright.
>>>> Well, it's difficult to compute integrated brightness when so much
>>>> pf the light is spread over a long tail, but the nuclear magnitude
>>>> of Hale-Bopp was nearly a magnitude brighter than for Hyakutake.
>>> Hi
>>> Hyakutake was the largest single thing ( other than our Milky Way )
>>> ever recorded in human history.
>> I don't agree with that. In 1910, the Earth supposedly passed
>> through the tail of comet Halley. The surface brightness may
>> have been low, but it would have crossed the sky.
> Hi
> I measures Hyakutake at more than 110 degrees visual with what I'd
> call only good skies.
Passing through the tail of Halley would make it 180 degrees.
> I can't tell exactly what Halley's was
> but I do know that it may not have been all that visible.
> Halley's is an old comet and doesn't produce all that much
> display. It's claim to fame is that it was predicted. There
> was another comet called the great comet of XXXX( forget the date )
> that may have been comparable.
Visibility isn't really the issue; "largest single thing" is.
tho...@antispam.ham
67> Now, Dave, be a good little boy and don't go starting any fights.
67> You know what they say about arguing on Usenet....
68> I'm sorry, but Tholen has just identified you as an 'antogonist'. He will
68> start issuing 'digests' of your conversations with him. Remember two
68> things in Dave's World(tm):
68> 1) Dave is always right.
68> 2) Whne in doubt, see point 1).
What do your unsubstantiated and erroneous claims have to do with
astronomy, Ross?
Ross
> "Ross" <Ro...@SingingFrog.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns936C917...@216.168.3.44...
[...]
>>
>> I'm sorry, but Tholen has just identified you as an 'antogonist'.
>
> I don't know what to say, except to thank the Academy...
The bad news: you are not unique.
>
>> He will
>> start issuing 'digests' of your conversations with him. Remember two
>> things in Dave's World(tm):
>>
>> 1) Dave is always right.
>> 2) Whne in doubt, see point 1).
>
> I've met a more than a few incarnations of him before. See if any of
> this sounds familiar:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/aln2
Scary: it is a very close description.
Dave will probably trot out the thread-bare excuse for carrying on that he
has to 'stand up' to the antagonists much as the US has to against those
who perpetrated 9/11.
<cue Dave's music>
"I am I, Dave Tholen,
The Lord of LaMancha,
My destiny calls, and I go!"
R.
--
"Your usenet vocabulary impresses newbie's. Try a Thesarusus and
actually learn something of the way the real world speak's."
"Big Tu Tu" shows his mastery of English in
news:6mm_9.275$PJ2.24...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com:
Ross
Two questions for you, Dave:
Why are you posting to alt.fan.art-bell and read any Usenet posts from
Charles Ives lately?
tho...@antispam.ham
69> Scary: it is a very close description.
69> Dave will probably trot out the thread-bare excuse for carrying on that he
69> has to 'stand up' to the antagonists much as the US has to against those
69> who perpetrated 9/11.
69> <cue Dave's music>
69> "I am I, Dave Tholen,
69> The Lord of LaMancha,
69> My destiny calls, and I go!"
What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with astronomy, Ross?
tho...@antispam.ham
70> Two questions for you, Dave:
70> Why are you posting to alt.fan.art-bell and read any Usenet posts from
70> Charles Ives lately?
What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with astronomy, Ross?
I see that you didn't answer that question the first time I asked it.
No surprise there, really.
Clave
news:M2Cra.14557$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Clave writes:
>
> > <...>
>
> Figures.
>
> >>> Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>
> >> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>
> > About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
>
> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm "whinging" about your grammar.
No, it's a pretty direct and accurate observation.
Mirriam-Webster:
Main Entry: whinge
Pronunciation: 'hwinj, 'winj
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): whinged; whing搏ng or whinge搏ng
Etymology: from (assumed) Middle English, from Old English hwinsian; akin to
Old
High German winsOn to moan
Date: 12th century
British : to complain fretfully : WHINE
Yep. That's what you're doing. When you're not whinging about being on-topic,
I mean.
I'm willing to substitute "wibbling" if it makes you feel better.
> > Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
>
> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
Whack-a-Mole's no fun if you keep poking your head out of the same hole, Dave.
Jim
Ross
Dave, what does your self-righteous net-copping to do with alt.fan.art-
bell? I was very patient with your first half dozen or so off-topic posts
-- until you discover another 'antagonist'.
If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, be my guest.
Ross
What compells me to answer your questions? You see yourself as a net-cop;
I see you as a socially maladjusted kook. I mock the likes of you -- I
don't answer their questions.
Besides...you know what is said about those who argue on Usenet...
DrPostman
wrote:
>DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message news:<pdhsavcls4457a4j6...@4ax.com>...
Art when on and on about the "Companion" which Chuck Shamerick
allegedly imaged. I remember fArt chuckling over "main stream
astronomers" and how they couldn't explain this object. To Bell it
was very real, and he validated Brown's photo claiming that he too
knew the astronomer who took it. Then the archives for those November
shows disappeared, removing all evidence that Bell said those things.
He said them though, several people as well as me heard him.
DrPostman
This thread is xposted to alt.fan.art-bell where anything is
"allowed".
John Oliver
> On 29 Apr 2003 09:26:43 -0700, red...@virtualhosts.net (Spread Eagle)
> wrote:
>
>
>>DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote in message news:<pdhsavcls4457a4j6...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>
>>>How can the split tail be called "A large, saturn-like object"?
>>>
>>>That wasn't what fArt was referring to at all.
>>
>>
>>Hale-Bopp's unique appearance gave rise to the hysterical
>>misinterpretations of it. Plus, initially, as I recall, the comet was
>>nearly CBDR, with a much closer approach than turned out to be the
>>case. I don't believe that "saturn-like" was Art's statement anyway,
>>per se. It was a guest who made those claims. Art just accepted it
>>without adequate discernment, seemingly ignorant of the possible
>>implications of doing so.
>>
>>Spread Eagle
>
>
>
> Art when on and on about the "Companion" which Chuck Shamerick
> allegedly imaged. I remember fArt chuckling over "main stream
> astronomers" and how they couldn't explain this object. To Bell it
> was very real, and he validated Brown's photo claiming that he too
> knew the astronomer who took it. Then the archives for those November
> shows disappeared, removing all evidence that Bell said those things.
> He said them though, several people as well as me heard him.
To see why this star became known as the "SLO" see
http://www.sipe.com/halebopp/slo2.htm
tho...@antispam.ham
>>> <...>
>> Figures.
>>>>> Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>>>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>>> About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
>> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm "whinging" about your grammar.
> No, it's a pretty direct and accurate observation.
>
> Mirriam-Webster:
I'm not familiar with "Mirriam-Webster". Something like Maxwell or KDK
casette tape?
> Main Entry: whinge
> Pronunciation: 'hwinj, 'winj
> Function: intransitive verb
> Inflected Form(s): whinged; whing搏ng or whinge搏ng
> Etymology: from (assumed) Middle English, from Old English hwinsian; akin to Old
> High German winsOn to moan
> Date: 12th century
> British : to complain fretfully : WHINE
>
> Yep. That's what you're doing. When you're not whinging about being on-topic,
> I mean.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> I'm willing to substitute "wibbling" if it makes you feel better.
That wouldn't be any more appropriate.
>>> Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
> Whack-a-Mole's no fun if you keep poking your head out of the same hole, Dave.
What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
tho...@antispam.ham
>> dizzy writes:
>>
>> 205> Are you trying to out-kook tholen? Good luck!
>>
>> 206> What does your ongoing evasion have to do with your hypocrisy, tholen?
>>
>> 206> How dare you chide someone else for not answering your questions,
>> 206> tholen? Hypocrite.
>>
>> 207> Hypocrite. He answered your question, and still you antagonize.
>>
>> 207> Kook.
>>
>> 208> Note: No response.
>>
>> 208> Note: No response.
>>
>> 208> Note: No response.
>>
>> 208> Note: No response.
>>
>> 208> Answer my questions first, tholen.
>>
>> 209> Quit being such a jerk, tholen.
>>
>> Practice what you preach, dizzy.
>>
>> 210> Beware of the tholen.
>>
>> What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with classical music, dizzy?
>> What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with OS/2, dizzy?
>> What does your ongoing antagonism have to do with astronomy, dizzy?
> This thread is xposted to alt.fan.art-bell where anything is
> "allowed".
Take it up with "ZetaFraud", who chose the newsgroup distribution.
DrPostman
>DrPostman writes:
>> This thread is xposted to alt.fan.art-bell where anything is
>> "allowed".
>
>Take it up with "ZetaFraud", who chose the newsgroup distribution.
NOTICE TO CROSSPOSTERS!
This group is called alt.fan.art-bell. It's for talking about Art
Bell, his radio show (and replacement hosts), his/their guests, and
whatever else we choose to discuss. We've got more than enough
foolishness right here in this group without having to go trolling
for more.
Unfortunately, every nutcake crystal-rubbing, bunny-hugging, tree-
sitting, tofu-eating, Volvo-driving, whale-watching, New-Age,
backyard-preaching, Bible-thumping, god-bothering, bigfoot-chasing,
spoon-bending, remote-viewing, star-gazing, reverse-swearing,
reptile-fucking, carpet-munching, fudge-packing, toad-licking,
goat-sucking, Clinton-loving, flame-trolling, pamphlet-peddling,
horoscope-reading, alien abductee seems to think it's fun to post his
or her dreck into afa-b.
Not only that, but we're also plagued by every goddam hypocritical,
brain-dead, mega-dittoing, Reagan-worshipping, Newtie-following,
Clinton-bashing, Hillary-hating, gun-hugging, miltia-joining, bunny-
bopping, forest-raping, earth-paving, river-damming, species-
exterminating, ozone-trashing, pickup-with-gun-rack-driving,
Medicare- killing, tax-avoiding, mind-controlling,
urban-legend-quoting, trickle-downing, "liberal"-hating, gay-bashing,
femiNazi-spewing, hate-spouting, Bible-quoting, Moral Mafia,
jack-booted, cross-burning, Klan-joining, Commie-baiting,
conspiracy-theorist, neo-Nazi, crypto- Fascist, radical-right-wing
ditto-head that comes down the pike.
Then, when a few of us shred these fatheads to bits by debunking
their favorite fantasy, they start whining.
Please lurk before you make an ass of yourself, then:
If you can't stand the heat, stay the hell out of our newsgroup.
"This is not a gentle place."
In the interest of evenhandedness, and to enjoy one of our
favorite kooks rants, we also present The Woo Woo View:
"AFAB = alt.fan.art-bell newsgroup. It is a prime example of
a gathering place for hooded, cowardly, government/media
disinformation agents who operate behind multiple aliases as they
prey on others, intimidating and misdirecting attention away from
those who engage in serious dialog. It is a meeting place of
ignoramuses who seek to promote the Bassackward societal traits
of irresponsibility, violence, human degradation, and ignorance
under the guise of Free Speech." By Ray "Linenoise" Karczewski
If STILL you ask "Where the hell is the FAQ" then go read
that poor old outdated relic from our earlier days here:
http://whiskeytown.net/curiosities/airstream/afab-faq.php
Hope This Helps.
(Revised 4/30/2000)
(Posted in Memory of Glen Quarnstrom)
tho...@antispam.ham
71> Dave, what does your self-righteous net-copping to do with alt.fan.art-
71> bell?
Take it up with "ZetaFraud", who chose the newsgroup distribution, Ross.
71> I was very patient with your first half dozen or so off-topic posts
71> -- until you discover another 'antagonist'.
Who might that be, Ross? I've not made any such indication. But what does
that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
71> If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, be my guest.
Yet another erroneous presupposition. You should practice what you
preach, Ross. I'm not the one who added two "kook" newsgroups to
the distribution. Rather, you did. You obviously have an affinity
for them.
72> What compells me to answer your questions?
Yet another erroneous presupposition, given that you haven't, Ross.
72> You see yourself as a net-cop;
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
72> I see you as a socially maladjusted kook.
Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical argument.
72> I mock the likes of you
Demonstrating that you're an antagonist in the process, Ross.
72> -- I don't answer their questions.
Then you're obviously not compelled, Ross, contrary to your remark
above.
72> Besides...you know what is said about those who argue on Usenet...
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
tho...@antispam.ham
Ross
news:fDDra.14581$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com:
> Ross writes:
>
> 71> Dave, what does your self-righteous net-copping to do with
> alt.fan.art- 71> bell?
>
> Take it up with "ZetaFraud", who chose the newsgroup distribution,
> Ross.
Like you are unable to change the followup line?
Admission of powerlessness noted.
>
> 71> I was very patient with your first half dozen or so off-topic
> posts 71> -- until you discover another 'antagonist'.
>
> Who might that be, Ross? I've not made any such indication.
O, c'mon now Dave, stop lying. You've accused Clave of being an
antagonist.
> But what does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
See above re: follow ups.
>
> 71> If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, be my guest.
>
> Yet another erroneous presupposition. You should practice what you
> preach, Ross. I'm not the one who added two "kook" newsgroups to
> the distribution. Rather, you did. You obviously have an affinity
> for them.
I look out for kooks such as yourself, Dave. I study kooks like you
study asteroids.
>
> 72> What compells me to answer your questions?
>
> Yet another erroneous presupposition, given that you haven't, Ross.
Yet you demand answers. I am not required to answer your questions.
>
> 72> You see yourself as a net-cop;
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
OK...slight correction: A net-cop in denial.
> 72> I see you as a socially maladjusted kook.
>
> Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical
> argument.
I see you've mastered the copy & paste functions on your news reader.
>
> 72> I mock the likes of you
>
> Demonstrating that you're an antagonist in the process, Ross.
Dave, it is quite simple: you stop being a kook and I'll stop mocking
you.
>
> 72> -- I don't answer their questions.
>
> Then you're obviously not compelled, Ross, contrary to your remark
> above.
Just pointing out the obvious.
>
> 72> Besides...you know what is said about those who argue on Usenet...
>
> What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
What has anything you post have to do with alt.fan.art-bell?
Clave
news:ZvDra.14578$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Clave writes:
>
> >>> <...>
>
> >> Figures.
>
> >>>>> Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>
> >>>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>
> >>> About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
>
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm "whinging" about your grammar.
>
> > No, it's a pretty direct and accurate observation.
> >
> > Mirriam-Webster:
>
> I'm not familiar with "Mirriam-Webster". Something like Maxwell or KDK
> casette tape?
Aw, isn't that sweet? You're a typo nazi too. You must have *posed* for that
article I posted.
> > Main Entry: whinge
> > Pronunciation: 'hwinj, 'winj
> > Function: intransitive verb
> > Inflected Form(s): whinged; whing搏ng or whinge搏ng
> > Etymology: from (assumed) Middle English, from Old English hwinsian; akin
> > to Old High German winsOn to moan
> > Date: 12th century
> > British : to complain fretfully : WHINE
> >
> > Yep. That's what you're doing. When you're not whinging about being
> > on-topic, I mean.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
I offer as evidence your own posts. And no, you don't get to be the judge.
> > I'm willing to substitute "wibbling" if it makes you feel better.
>
> That wouldn't be any more appropriate.
A *bit* less, I think, which is why I used "whinge" instead.
> >>> Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
>
> >> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>
> > Whack-a-Mole's no fun if you keep poking your head out of the same hole,
> > Dave.
>
> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
Why do you keep repeating that question as if anyone's ever going to give you a
serious answer?
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting
different results."
-- Kipling
Jim
tho...@antispam.ham
>>>>> <...>
>>>> Figures.
>>>>>>> Dizzy's right. You really are a jerk. Humorless, too.
>>>>>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>>>>> About as much as your silly whinging about my grammar.
>>>> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm "whinging" about your grammar.
>>> No, it's a pretty direct and accurate observation.
>>>
>>> Mirriam-Webster:
>> I'm not familiar with "Mirriam-Webster". Something like Maxwell or KDK
>> casette tape?
> Aw, isn't that sweet? You're a typo nazi too. You must have *posed* for that
> article I posted.
Classic antagonism, but what does that have to do with astronomy?
>>> Main Entry: whinge
>>> Pronunciation: 'hwinj, 'winj
>>> Function: intransitive verb
>>> Inflected Form(s): whinged; whing搏ng or whinge搏ng
>>> Etymology: from (assumed) Middle English, from Old English hwinsian; akin
>>> to Old High German winsOn to moan
>>> Date: 12th century
>>> British : to complain fretfully : WHINE
>>>
>>> Yep. That's what you're doing. When you're not whinging about being
>>> on-topic, I mean.
>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> I offer as evidence your own posts.
Which does nothing to substantiate your claim.
> And no, you don't get to be the judge.
What does that have to do with astronomy?
>>> I'm willing to substitute "wibbling" if it makes you feel better.
>> That wouldn't be any more appropriate.
> A *bit* less, I think, which is why I used "whinge" instead.
What you think is irrelevant, but what does that have to do with
astronomy?
>>>>> Do piss off now, there's a good boy.
>>>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
>>> Whack-a-Mole's no fun if you keep poking your head out of the same hole,
>>> Dave.
>> What does that antagonistic remark have to do with astronomy?
> Why do you keep repeating that question as if anyone's ever going to give
> you a serious answer?
I see that you didn't answer the question. No surprise there, really.
tho...@antispam.ham
73> Like you are unable to change the followup line?
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> Admission of powerlessness noted.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> O, c'mon now Dave, stop lying. You've accused Clave of being an
73> antagonist.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> See above re: follow ups.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> I look out for kooks such as yourself, Dave. I study kooks like you
73> study asteroids.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> Yet you demand answers. I am not required to answer your questions.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> OK...slight correction: A net-cop in denial.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> I see you've mastered the copy & paste functions on your news reader.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> Dave, it is quite simple: you stop being a kook and I'll stop mocking
73> you.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> Just pointing out the obvious.
What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
73> What has anything you post have to do with alt.fan.art-bell?
Clave
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
news:1cEra.14601$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Ross writes:
>
> 73> Like you are unable to change the followup line?
>
> What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
Yaknow, Ross -- the mind boggles, but I think he thinks he's being *clever*.
Jim
Ross
news:0nEra.1043489$yn2.1...@post-03.news.easynews.com:
>
><tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
> news:1cEra.14601$Ye6.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
>> Ross writes:
>>
>> 73> Like you are unable to change the followup line?
>>
>> What does that have to do with astronomy, Ross?
>
> Yaknow, Ross -- the mind boggles, but I think he thinks he's being
> *clever*.
>
Amazing, isn't it. And he purposely set the flow-ups back to the original
groups after i had changed them. On top of that, he thinks he is being
ethical.
That's our little Davey. If he wants wide distribution, wide distribution
he gets.
Robin
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
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>
> That depends on which aspect of the show you enjoy most. Hyakutake
> came much closer to the Earth than Hale-Bopp and therefore sported a
> tail much longer. Hale-Bopp, on the other hand, was somewhat brighter.
>
Happy Birthhday!
Robin
<earthli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:<280420030856045001%i...@mac.com>...
> > In article <7059619f.03042...@posting.google.com>, Spread
> > Eagle <red...@virtualhosts.net> wrote:
> >
> > > zeta...@hotmail.com (Zeta Fraud) wrote in message
> > > news:<9c09cc63.03042...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > > Art Bell had to deal with "Heaven's Gate". George Noory will have
to
> > > > deal with "Planet X Gate"
> > >
> > > Nah. No Hale-Bopp here. Hale-Bopp was truly a remarkable happening,
> > > maybe the most spectacular comet in recorded human history.
> >
> > Hayakutake (however that is spelled) was easily ten times the visual
> > show that Hale-Bopp was.
> >
> I agree Hayakutake (I can't spell it either) was incredible! I don't
> expect to see another comet come close to its beauty in my lifetime.
> Hale-Bopp was the biggest comet of the century, but it wasn't nearly
> as spectacular as Hayakutake.
http://www.alaska.com/akcom/galleries/scenic/v-1/
dizzy
>dizzy writes:
>
>209> Quit being such a jerk, tholen.
>
>Practice what you preach, dizzy.
Let's see what Clave thinks.
Robin
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
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> > Hi
> > Hyakutake was the largest single thing ( other than our Milky Way )
> > ever recorded in human history.
>
> I don't agree with that.
no
Robin
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote in message
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>
> Why did you start your sentence with "But"?
>
Yes, two days running now!
Robin
Martin Brown <martin...@pandora.be> wrote in message
news:3EAE35D8...@pandora.be...
.
>
> Actually whether the Earth went through the tail of Halley's comet or not
> is still an open question.
yes
Robin
Paul Schlyter <pau...@saaf.se> wrote in message
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> In article <43258753.03042...@posting.google.com
>
> That's wrong!
>
> In 1910 the Earth passed THROUGH the tail of Comet Halley
yes, and it ate berries
Robin
> In article <3EAD7C8A...@as.arizona.edu
>
> Actually, nowadays it's a Swedish company selling gadgets for
> cellular phones. Check out:
>
> http://www.halebop.com
>
> (note the spelling!!!)
Yes!!
Robin
> show that Hale-Bopp was.
yes