> > On the whole, I found these two pilots to be mostly OK, they both
> > could have been better as pilots go. I'm eagerly anticipating
> > watching these shows, because there's nothing I like better than
> > sitting on my ass in front of my HDTV watching cute chyx kick ass.
> > Maybe that Joss Whedon clown had it right all along.
> >
>
> I'd watch an hour a week of Summer reading a book.
Have you seen her appearances on The 4400 and The Unit. She did more
than read on them.
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>"TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
>Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
Can't we even post about what different TV shows would be like in
parallel universes?
For instance, there might be a parallel universe in which The Sopranos
had the ending most people were lusting after, and Tony got whacked.
Of course, that raises the question of how close two universes have to
be to be considered parallel.
BW
> "TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
What about TV shows about parallel universes?
--oTTo--
Indeed.Completely on-topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKay_and_Mrs._Miller_(Stargate_Atlantis)
McKay is brought back to Earth in an effort to convince his sister to
work for the SGC. McKay visits Jeannie and her husband (Caleb) and
daughter. They don't really know what to think of him, and McKay and
his sister bicker about the past. Rodney wants her to come with him
and help out for a few months because she's almost as brilliant as he
is and would be a great help to the Stargate Program. Jeannie balks
until McKay beams her aboard the Daedalus. McKay then reveals that
Jeannie's calculations can help solve the problems that plagued
Project Arcturus. Instead of trying to draw zero point energy from our
own universe and release hazardous exotic particles, McKay plans to
draw energy from a parallel universe via a matter bridge so the exotic
particles would be vented into the hopefully uninhabited parallel
universe instead.
Comments about what is OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
are OFF-TOPIC in the other groups you have posted to, except
alt.religion.kibology. Off topic posts are impolite. Please do not be
impolite; it's impolite. Pointing out the error of impoliteness is
itself impolite. I am being impolite. Please do not be me.
Also, both pots and kettles are black.
--
Dave "So it's OK if they use the N-word" Boyd
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall
like a house of cards. Checkmate." -Capt. Zapp Brannigan, D.O.O.P.
Hopefully uninhabited?! That's like crapping in a stream and
hoping none of your downstream neighbors drink from it. I
wonder if the writers of Stargate realize how irresponsible
that is.
--oTTo--
OK, now I *so* want to go and visit the alt.parallel.universes ng. Sounds
like fun....
Eva
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> OK, now I *so* want to go and visit the alt.parallel.universes ng. Sounds
> like fun....
Or not. How disappointing. I hope alt.parallel.universes ngs in parallel
universes are better than that!
> Angela Kahealani wrote:
> > "TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> > Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
>
> Comments about what is OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> are OFF-TOPIC in the other groups you have posted to, except
> alt.religion.kibology. Off topic posts are impolite. Please do not be
> impolite; it's impolite. Pointing out the error of impoliteness is
> itself impolite. I am being impolite. Please do not be me.
I could be wrong, but I think the Hawaiian word for "impolite" is
"kahealani"
>
> Also, both pots and kettles are black.
Actually, the pot got a bad rap in this overly concerned PC world. He
WASN'T calling the kettle black, per se. He was merely making an
observation, and when later questioned by Entertainment Weekly,
explained that the quote attribituted to him was incomplete and out of
context.
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people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes
religion.
-- Steven Weinberg
Sliders was pretty good in it's first season, I thought.
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> "Eva" <eva1rem...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5hca78F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> <snip>
>
> > OK, now I *so* want to go and visit the alt.parallel.universes ng. Sounds
> > like fun....
>
> Or not. How disappointing. I hope alt.parallel.universes ngs in parallel
> universes are better than that!
>
Let me guess. You came to alt.p.u., expecting a busy vibrant group,
full of thinking people with great senses of humor, and found an empty
group except for SPAM and Angela ordering people not to post here?
I am still trying to figure what her deal is. Nobody posts here, on or
off topic. So WHAT is her whole obsessiveness with possibly Off Topic
Posts?
I don't even think she actually READS the posts, but determines them
off topic by their Subject Line.
--
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these.
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> "leo sgouros" <adra...@gmail.com> wrote
When are writers responsible for such things? They are responsible for
writing scripts to tell a story. (Except for those writers of the SciFi
Chanel's Movies. Those guys ARE from a different Parallel Universe)
Jay Hova?
I smell a stainless steel rat ...
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When they want to tell an interesting story instead of just a simple
story.
BW
> In article <5hcaf8F...@mid.individual.net>, Eva
> <eva1rem...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Eva" <eva1rem...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:5hca78F...@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > OK, now I *so* want to go and visit the alt.parallel.universes ng.
> > > Sounds
> > > like fun....
> >
> > Or not. How disappointing. I hope alt.parallel.universes ngs in parallel
> > universes are better than that!
> >
>
> Let me guess. You came to alt.p.u., expecting a busy vibrant group,
> full of thinking people with great senses of humor, and found an empty
> group except for SPAM and Angela ordering people not to post here?
>
> I am still trying to figure what her deal is. Nobody posts here, on or
> off topic. So WHAT is her whole obsessiveness with possibly Off Topic
> Posts?
>
> I don't even think she actually READS the posts, but determines them
> off topic by their Subject Line.
That's easy enough to test. We post something on topic for alt.p.u.
with a subject line that makes it look like it's not.
I'll start.
Subject line will be STARGATE ATLANTIS actress Jessica Steen is SO cute!
But the actual content will be "Is there a parallel universe where she
plays Dr. Elizabeth Weir instead of the replacement actress?"
I'll cross post to alt.tv.stargate-sg1
And we'll see:
A) do I get yelled at for posting in alt.p.u, and
B) do I get yelled at for posting in alt.tv.s-sg1 instead of Atlantis?
:D
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Yeah. People sometimes do that. Who'da thunk it?
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What parallel universe are you posting from?
And just in case you're interested, I am from the universe of I'm going
to make another cup of coffee. It's the best universe this side of the
pink Eiffel Tower.
> Quoth the C.O.Jones:
> > In article <f8qmj6$s8l$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, Otto Bahn <e...@eio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Angela Kahealani" <ang...@kahealani.com> wrote
> >>
> >> > "TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> >> > Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
> >>
> >> What about TV shows about parallel universes?
> >>
> > Sliders was pretty good in it's first season, I thought.
>
> What parallel universe are you posting from?
The one where it was pretty good in it's first season. Duh.
>
> And just in case you're interested, I am from the universe of I'm going
> to make another cup of coffee. It's the best universe this side of the
> pink Eiffel Tower.
Thank you! I KNEW I was missing something this morning. BTW, OUR Eiffel
Tower is deep blue, with thousands of red polka dots. Those French!
> In article <5hefagF...@mid.individual.net>, Chu-chu
> <ab...@clu.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Quoth the C.O.Jones:
> > > In article <f8qmj6$s8l$1...@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, Otto Bahn <e...@eio.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Angela Kahealani" <ang...@kahealani.com> wrote
> > >>
> > >> > "TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> > >> > Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
> > >>
> > >> What about TV shows about parallel universes?
> > >>
> > > Sliders was pretty good in it's first season, I thought.
> >
> > What parallel universe are you posting from?
>
> The one where it was pretty good in it's first season. Duh.
Now, if they'd said "Sliders was pretty good in it's LAST season, I
thought" we'd know they were kidding, because nowhere, in all the
endless parallel universes there are, was that ever true.
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psychiatry." -- Angela Kahealani
Ah, but parallel universes are infinite, so there will be some where the
writing and plots were good throught its entire run...
There will even be a few where it ran to its 10th season like sg1 and was
sorely missed when it ended. There may even be one where it'll rival doctor
who for longevity.
In a multiverse of infinite improbabilities... anything that could happen,
will happen somewhere/when.
:)
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> > Now, if they'd said "Sliders was pretty good in it's LAST season, I
> > thought" we'd know they were kidding, because nowhere, in all the
> > endless parallel universes there are, was that ever true.
>
> Ah, but parallel universes are infinite, so there will be some where the
> writing and plots were good throught its entire run...
>
> There will even be a few where it ran to its 10th season like sg1 and was
> sorely missed when it ended. There may even be one where it'll rival doctor
> who for longevity.
>
> In a multiverse of infinite improbabilities... anything that could happen,
> will happen somewhere/when.
So somewhere, somehow, you did your grandmother?!
AND YOUR GRANDFATHER?
At the same time, no less.
Infinite does not necessarily mean anything that could happen,
will happen. One can approach infinity at different rates. If
pigs had wings, they still couldn't fly. Well, they'd have
to be really BIG wings, but you get my drift.
--oTTo--
> >> > > > "TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> >> > > > Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
> >> > >
> >> > > What about TV shows about parallel universes?
> >> > >
> >> > > --oTTo--
> >> >
> >> > Indeed.Completely on-topic.
> >> >
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKay_and_Mrs._Miller_(Stargate_Atlantis)
> >> > McKay is brought back to Earth in an effort to convince his sister to
> >> > work for the SGC. McKay visits Jeannie and her husband (Caleb) and
> >> > daughter. They don't really know what to think of him, and McKay and
> >> > his sister bicker about the past. Rodney wants her to come with him
> >> > and help out for a few months because she's almost as brilliant as he
> >> > is and would be a great help to the Stargate Program. Jeannie balks
> >> > until McKay beams her aboard the Daedalus. McKay then reveals that
> >> > Jeannie's calculations can help solve the problems that plagued
> >> > Project Arcturus. Instead of trying to draw zero point energy from our
> >> > own universe and release hazardous exotic particles, McKay plans to
> >> > draw energy from a parallel universe via a matter bridge so the exotic
> >> > particles would be vented into the hopefully uninhabited parallel
> >> > universe instead.
> >>
> >> Hopefully uninhabited?! That's like crapping in a stream and
> >> hoping none of your downstream neighbors drink from it. I
> >> wonder if the writers of Stargate realize how irresponsible
> >> that is.
> >
> >When are writers responsible for such things?
>
> When they want to tell an interesting story instead of just a stupid
> story.
IFYPFY.
--oTTo--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTJHeWrPC4s
Leo "wow" SGouros
>> > Now, if they'd said "Sliders was pretty good in it's LAST season, I
>> > thought" we'd know they were kidding, because nowhere, in all the
>> > endless parallel universes there are, was that ever true.
>>
>> Ah, but parallel universes are infinite, so there will be some where the
>> writing and plots were good throught its entire run...
>>
>> There will even be a few where it ran to its 10th season like sg1 and was
>> sorely missed when it ended. There may even be one where it'll rival doctor
>> who for longevity.
>>
>> In a multiverse of infinite improbabilities... anything that could happen,
>> will happen somewhere/when.
> So somewhere, somehow, you did your grandmother?!
> AND YOUR GRANDFATHER?
That all depends if time travel is possible
:-p
> At the same time, no less.
> Infinite does not necessarily mean anything that could happen,
> will happen.
The question is, can time travel happen? If it can't then the question is
moot.
:)
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> >> > Now, if they'd said "Sliders was pretty good in it's LAST season, I
> >> > thought" we'd know they were kidding, because nowhere, in all the
> >> > endless parallel universes there are, was that ever true.
> >>
> >> Ah, but parallel universes are infinite, so there will be some where the
> >> writing and plots were good throught its entire run...
> >>
> >> There will even be a few where it ran to its 10th season like sg1 and was
> >> sorely missed when it ended. There may even be one where it'll rival doctor
> >> who for longevity.
> >>
> >> In a multiverse of infinite improbabilities... anything that could happen,
> >> will happen somewhere/when.
>
> > So somewhere, somehow, you did your grandmother?!
>
> > AND YOUR GRANDFATHER?
>
> That all depends if time travel is possible
> :-p
>
> > At the same time, no less.
>
> > Infinite does not necessarily mean anything that could happen,
> > will happen.
>
> The question is, can time travel happen? If it can't then the question is
> moot.
In many parallel universes, grandpa lived long enough.
--oTTo--
> <bar...@bookpro.com> wrote
? I'm thinking that MOST writers do not REALLY deliberately write
stupid stories, not on purpose. Except possibly maybe the writers of
all those horrid movies on SciFi network.
It has to.Otherwise I can't explain all the fish!
Leo "because we wrote G_D out of the script" Sgouros
Writers are responsible for telling interesting stories by avoiding
writing about people doing irresponsible things? That's an, um,
interesting viewpoint.
ŹR
I'm assuming Politically Correct hacks, and not actual creative people?
> I'm assuming Politically Correct hacks, and not actual creative people?
And *I'm* feasting on the delicious irony of somebody using the word
"hacks" in a writing comparison, yet they have a Paul Harvey quote in
their .sig...
JS
And _that_ in turn depends on where in the Great Wheel of Existence the
timeline you're in is. (And whether the Time Wars have stopped yet,
effectively.)
Dave
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>> >When are writers responsible for such things?
>> When they want to tell an interesting story instead of just a simple story.
>
>Writers are responsible for telling interesting stories by avoiding
>writing about people doing irresponsible things? That's an, um,
>interesting viewpoint.
Hunter S. Thompson on line one for one of you. You'll have to speak up,
he seems to have a very long-distance connection...
Did I hurt your little politically correct feelings? I'm possibly sorry.
I select quotes for WHAT THEY SAY , not who says them. I would have
used the quote even if it had come from Paul Lynde. This attituce comes
from independent thinking, and not going by a PC checklist of
acceptability. It is the thought that counts, Not the thinker. Can you
comprehend that?
But enjoy your "feast" on what you think is "delicious irony." I'm
thinking that actual Deep Thought is not exactly your forte.
NO
> effectively.)
>
> Dave
> --
> \/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
> It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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> > >> > Now, if they'd said "Sliders was pretty good in it's LAST season, I
> > >> > thought" we'd know they were kidding, because nowhere, in all the
> > >> > endless parallel universes there are, was that ever true.
> >
> > >> Ah, but parallel universes are infinite, so there will be some where the
> > >> writing and plots were good throught its entire run...
> >
> > >> There will even be a few where it ran to its 10th season like sg1 and was
> > >> sorely missed when it ended. There may even be one where it'll rival doctor
> > >> who for longevity.
> >
> > >> In a multiverse of infinite improbabilities... anything that could happen,
> > >> will happen somewhere/when.
> > > So somewhere, somehow, you did your grandmother?!
> > > AND YOUR GRANDFATHER?
> >
> > That all depends if time travel is possible
> > :-p
> >
> > > At the same time, no less.
> > > Infinite does not necessarily mean anything that could happen,
> > > will happen.
> >
> > The question is, can time travel happen? If it can't then the question is
> > moot.
>
> It has to.Otherwise I can't explain all the fish!
> Leo "because we wrote G_D out of the script" Sgouros
We're all in the mood for a melody
and you've got us feeling alright.
--oTTo--
Everyone gets this wrong, so don't feel bad.
The question is whether there can be BACKWARD time travel.
Forward time travel is happening at all times, and even science-fictiony
forward time travel is already possible in both theory and very-near-term
practice.
For sci-fi fans, the classic treatment of this (among others) is the
TWILIGHT ZONE episode, "The Rip Van Winkle Caper."
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> <spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:hhs9o4-...@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
> > The question is, can time travel happen? If it can't then the question is
> > moot.
>
> Everyone gets this wrong, so don't feel bad.
> "Attorney, activist, atheist, and yes, I confess,
> others that start with an 'A!'"
Egotist doesn't start with an A.
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> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:06:49 -1000, Angela Kahealani
> <ang...@kahealani.com> wrote:
>
> >"TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> >Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
>
> Can't we even post about what different TV shows would be like in
> parallel universes?
Angela seems to have a very narrow definnition of what may be on topic
in her sad little kingdom. On topic is ONLY what she says it is. And, I
suspect that her definition of on topic does NOT actually include
Quantum science's theories of Parallel/alternate universes, but only
weird science fantasy worlds. I could be wrong, but I have never seen
her actually EXPLAIN what IS on topic, just what she considers Off
Topic.
>
> For instance, there might be a parallel universe in which The Sopranos
> had the ending most people were lusting after, and Tony got whacked.
I'm ready to visit the parallel universe where Firefly has been on for
going on five seasons.
>
> Of course, that raises the question of how close two universes have to
> be to be considered parallel.
>
Parallel is parallel, closeness has nothing to do with it. On a
parallel universe where intelligent dinosaurs rule the earth, or a
parallel universe where a sentient green cheese is president, may be
very many discrete realities removed, but still parallel.
Is THIS <gasp!> On Topic?
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-- Jules de Gaultier
.... ack,.... ack......jack! ..is..that...you...???? Have you finished
that damned scroll of yours, yet!?!!?
Matthew
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Which one do you want?
Yes it does: "Ægotist" has always started with an 'A'.
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Errrm....
OK. If you lost the sentient qualifier there...
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>> <spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hhs9o4-...@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>> > The question is, can time travel happen? If it can't then the question is
>> > moot.
>>
>> Everyone gets this wrong, so don't feel bad.
>> "Attorney, activist, atheist, and yes, I confess,
>> others that start with an 'A!'"
> Egotist doesn't start with an A.
Arsehole does though.
Hey, no problem, you can even hang out at my place and we can watch the
DVDs of the first three series, if you like. Lucas sure knows dialogue
and emotional scenes, and that wacky Jangper CG character and his crazy
physical comedy livens up any scene he's in, and that is just about all
of them! I can't wait for the Firefly/Charmed crossover episode that's
been promised.
Ok...
that was definitely the wrong parallel universe... lets set a course for a
different one shall we?
Only one SMALL change is necessary -- like a world without shrimp. Or one with only shrimp.
Those are MASSIVE changes.
A small change might be a world where a particular leaf grew into a
slighly different shape.
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But if the "oddly shaped leaf world" isn't changed significantly from its
twin world, wouldn't the whole thing collapse back into one world, unless
that leaf difference somehow became significant.. (someone stopped to look
at it, so they didn't arrive somewhere on time... or sunlight wasn't blocked
that hit someone's eye... and 1000 years later it is a significantly
different world)
In other words if the entire universe is completely identical in ten years
because there were no long lasting effects of the different shaped leaf, why
would that necessarily spawn an entirely new universe?
Unless it is observed, perhaps it is still an "uncollapsed waveform"
Even seemingly significant differences limited to an area about to be hit by
a nuclear bomb erupting volcano could conceivably result in identical
worlds.
If the entire universe will be exactly the same because our sun will
eventually vaporize the rest of the solar system....
dunno the answers obviously, just a thought experiment.
If the difference is big enough to see with a microscope, within a few
weeks there will be obvious differences visible to everyone in the
entire world. A different shaped leaf will cause small differences in
the air flow around it, which will within weeks have grown into
different weather patterns around the world.
Even a change as tiny as adding a single electron, floating in space
somewhere out around the orbit of Pluto, will create noticeable
differences in the world in short order. The gravitational field of
that electron will be enough to influence how all the different
molecules in a liquid bounce around off each other, which will lead to
differences in the Brownian motion of particles suspended in that
liquid, which will lead to differences in which sperm cell gets to
fertilize an egg, and nine months later a bunch of boys are being born
to couples who would have had a girl, and vice versa.
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You are a very twisted person. You know that, don't you?
> Al Gore <usenet0...@arpanet.com> did eloquently scribble:
> > Parallel is parallel, closeness has nothing to do with it. On a
> > parallel universe where intelligent dinosaurs rule the earth, or a
> > parallel universe where a sentient green cheese is president,
>
> Errrm....
> OK. If you lost the sentient qualifier there...
Some people think that THIS is that Universe... Like you said, except
for the actual sentient part...
Really? every time? I certainly realize that some changes that can be seen
with a microscope could create vast differences in very short periods of
time, but I find it hard to believe that EVERY single minor difference will
result in huge changes... I still think that some changes would not effect
anything other than a very local area, and if unobserved what difference do
they made at all?
> A different shaped leaf will cause small differences in
> the air flow around it, which will within weeks have grown into
> different weather patterns around the world.
could... not necessarily
>
> Even a change as tiny as adding a single electron, floating in space
> somewhere out around the orbit of Pluto, will create noticeable
> differences in the world in short order.
how about just one atom on Pluto moved about one inch? how much will that
influence the rest of the universe? it might.. .but more likely not..
:> If the difference is big enough to see with a microscope, within a few
:> weeks there will be obvious differences visible to everyone in the
:> entire world.
:
:Really? every time? I certainly realize that some changes that can be seen
:with a microscope could create vast differences in very short periods of
:time, but I find it hard to believe that EVERY single minor difference will
:result in huge changes... I still think that some changes would not effect
:anything other than a very local area, and if unobserved what difference do
:they made at all?
The universe doesn't distinguish between the
atoms that make up a leaf and the atoms that make
up Osama Bin Laden. If one is different, the universe
is as different as if the other is different. Chaos theory
and probability virtually guarantee that any difference
will endure and expand without spatial or temporal limit.
The odds of two even slightly different universes
converging is on the order of the odds that a shattered
crystal vase will spontaneously reassemble into a
working Swiss watch.
--
Firefly Fan Since September 20th, 2002 - Browncoat Since Birth
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
Even if unobserved, the slightest original difference will cause a
cascade of exponentially increasing proportions. Eventually, it will
become an observable difference.
>
>
> > A different shaped leaf will cause small differences in
> > the air flow around it, which will within weeks have grown into
> > different weather patterns around the world.
>
> could... not necessarily
Yes, necessarily.
>
> >
> > Even a change as tiny as adding a single electron, floating in space
> > somewhere out around the orbit of Pluto, will create noticeable
> > differences in the world in short order.
>
> how about just one atom on Pluto moved about one inch? how much will that
> influence the rest of the universe? it might.. .but more likely not..
That atom will affect all its neighbour atoms, and its influence will
spread outward at the speed of light. In 4.2 years it will be affecting
the stellar weather of Proxima Centauri.
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:54:58 GMT, "Donny Macro"
> <donny...@gmail.attitude.com> wrote:
>
> :> If the difference is big enough to see with a microscope, within a few
> :> weeks there will be obvious differences visible to everyone in the
> :> entire world.
> :
> :Really? every time? I certainly realize that some changes that can be seen
> :with a microscope could create vast differences in very short periods of
> :time, but I find it hard to believe that EVERY single minor difference will
> :result in huge changes... I still think that some changes would not effect
> :anything other than a very local area, and if unobserved what difference do
> :they made at all?
>
> The universe doesn't distinguish between the
> atoms that make up a leaf and the atoms that make
> up Osama Bin Laden. If one is different, the universe
> is as different as if the other is different. Chaos theory
> and probability virtually guarantee that any difference
> will endure and expand without spatial or temporal limit.
> The odds of two even slightly different universes
> converging is on the order of the odds that a shattered
> crystal vase will spontaneously reassemble into a
> working Swiss watch.
"... So, you're saying, there IS a chance?
"I guess it's just a waiting game...
"...then!"
So Schrödinger's Cat is both dead and alive, you just don't know what
universe you are in until you open the box? and there are an infinite number
of almost identical universes except with differences that won't actually
have any impact on Earth for thousands of years?
so a different shaped leaf or some such that is the only difference between
two universes at a spot that is about to be ground zero for a nuclear
explosion... will cause huge differences between the two universes?
I am not disagreeing with you I am just trying to understand.
If a universe can split off into different parallel universes, when does the
split occur?
If it is as soon as there is any choice, or "decision point" why is there
any "interference" on the quantum level? If the split is after an
observation determines the state of the matter, wouldn't it be possible for
a small change to be in a state of either/or until it is observed?
Or are these cases only on the quantum level, and as soon as it is a change
in the observable world (whether it is observed or not) then you have two
different universes? (I suppose that makes the most sense).
And why am I in this universe, if there is another equally likely one that
had a mildly different political situation and a continuing Firefly series?
--
---
"You have got to find less debilitating outlets than humiliating people!
I... hear bowling is more fun than stalking."
-Wilson to House, Episode 212 "Distractions"
> And why am I in this universe, if there is another equally likely one that
> had a mildly different political situation and a continuing Firefly series?
You are. Well, not YOU, exactly. Let's call that you "Lucky Donny" as
opposed to the HERE you "Not Quite As Lucky Donny!"
If we could just get those lucky bastards over there in the "Firefly is
Still On" universe to send us their DVD's....
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> "Don Sample" <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote in message
> news:dsample-D0E6CB...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <mWpti.4368$CE4.2575@trndny03>,
> > "Donny Macro" <donny...@gmail.attitude.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Don Sample" <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:dsample-1F545F...@news.giganews.com...
> >> > If the difference is big enough to see with a microscope, within
> >> > a few weeks there will be obvious differences visible to
> >> > everyone in the entire world.
> >>
> >> Really? every time? I certainly realize that some changes that can
> >> be seen with a microscope could create vast differences in very
> >> short periods of time, but I find it hard to believe that EVERY
> >> single minor difference will result in huge changes... I still
> >> think that some changes would not effect anything other than a
> >> very local area, and if unobserved what difference do they made at
> >> all?
> >
> > Even if unobserved, the slightest original difference will cause a
> > cascade of exponentially increasing proportions. Eventually, it
> > will become an observable difference.
> >
>
> so a different shaped leaf or some such that is the only difference between
> two universes at a spot that is about to be ground zero for a nuclear
> explosion... will cause huge differences between the two universes?
Adding something as chaos inducing as a nuclear explosion on top of the
different leaf would make the differences spread out even faster.
:
:If a universe can split off into different parallel universes, when does the
:split occur?
I never said that it can, I just said that if
there are two different universes, they will
continue to diverge without limit.
<snip>
>>> Even a change as tiny as adding a single electron, floating in space
>>> somewhere out around the orbit of Pluto, will create noticeable
>>> differences in the world in short order.
>> how about just one atom on Pluto moved about one inch? how much will that
>> influence the rest of the universe? it might.. .but more likely not..
>
> That atom will affect all its neighbour atoms, and its influence will
> spread outward at the speed of light. In 4.2 years it will be affecting
> the stellar weather of Proxima Centauri.
But... if changes propagate at lightspeed then Hubble showed that the
farther apart two points are, the faster they recede from each other, so
a change here will not *ever* affect a point beyond the edge of the
observable universe from that point, as they would be receding faster
than lightspeed. (Just trying to show I was paying attention).
How else would you have two identical Universes except for an oddly shaped
leaf, (or even as complex a difference as a continuing Firefly series)
unless both universes had a single parent Universe?
Two different Universes will of course continue to diverge, but how were
they the same in the first place?
I dunno how, I would send a DVD set of what I have to the 'even less Lucky
Donny' who never saw it in the first place if I knew how...
Ever see the movie "Sliding Doors"? If I remember it, the Lucky one turns
out to be not as Lucky as the unlucky one... (although I can't quite imagine
it in this case).
> "George W Harris" <gha...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
> news:asvcb3dm6odasv7vd...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:12:01 GMT, "Donny Macro"
> > <donny...@gmail.attitude.com> wrote:
> >
> > :
> > :If a universe can split off into different parallel universes, when does
> > the
> > :split occur?
> >
> > I never said that it can, I just said that if
> > there are two different universes, they will
> > continue to diverge without limit.
>
> How else would you have two identical Universes except for an oddly shaped
> leaf, (or even as complex a difference as a continuing Firefly series)
> unless both universes had a single parent Universe?
>
> Two different Universes will of course continue to diverge, but how were
> they the same in the first place?
They were the same (ONE universe) until the differently shaped leaf
happened. Or, actually, when the possibility of the differently shapped
leaf happened. Then the universe diverged, into two, one with the
differently shaped leaf, and one wiithout.
Or so the theory goes.
In the beginning, God created the universe. Then he thought, "Hmmm...
What if...?" (So to speak)
> "C.O.Jones" <ap...@solidbrass.com> wrote in message
> news:050820071528176998%ap...@solidbrass.com...
> > In article <RWrti.1555$9F4.174@trndny04>, Donny Macro
> > <donny...@gmail.attitude.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And why am I in this universe, if there is another equally likely one
> >> that
> >> had a mildly different political situation and a continuing Firefly
> >> series?
> >
> > You are. Well, not YOU, exactly. Let's call that you "Lucky Donny" as
> > opposed to the HERE you "Not Quite As Lucky Donny!"
> >
> > If we could just get those lucky bastards over there in the "Firefly is
> > Still On" universe to send us their DVD's....
> >
>
> I dunno how, I would send a DVD set of what I have to the 'even less Lucky
> Donny' who never saw it in the first place if I knew how...
Aye, theres the rub...
>
> Ever see the movie "Sliding Doors"? If I remember it, the Lucky one turns
> out to be not as Lucky as the unlucky one... (although I can't quite imagine
> it in this case).
Haven't seen it. Of course, we could send Lucky the DVD of the BDM.
(If we could send things across dimentions) And then, EVEN Less Lucky
would be downright estatic to get that series he had never heard of,
"What? Firefly? Is this some kind of NATURE show?"
Right, that was my understanding, but George said, "I never said that it
can" in response to me asking "If a universe can split off into different
parallel universes..."
So I was asking him, how did the nearly identical universes get nearly
identical if they weren't one universe in the first place.
:
:Right, that was my understanding, but George said, "I never said that it
:can" in response to me asking "If a universe can split off into different
:parallel universes..."
:So I was asking him, how did the nearly identical universes get nearly
:identical if they weren't one universe in the first place.
I just accepted the hypothesis. I don't really have a
view on its validity.
--
"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country."
-Hermann Goering
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'.
Duh - I can take it that you didn't see the episode in question?
--
Jette Goldie
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6933059.stm
Or the letter J doesn't exist in the alphabet.
;-)
> Or the letter doesn't exist in the alphabet.
Um... Ette...
The letter " " doesn't exist? What are you talking about?
Rather silly oke that, wasn't it?
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> >>>> "TV Shows" are OFF-TOPIC in alt.parallel.universes
> >>>> Cease and desist cross-posting to alt.parallel.universes.
> >>> What about TV shows about parallel universes?
> >>>
> >>> --oTTo--
> >> Indeed.Completely on-topic.
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKay_and_Mrs._Miller_(Stargate_Atlantis)
> >> McKay is brought back to Earth in an effort to convince his sister to
> >> work for the SGC. McKay visits Jeannie and her husband (Caleb) and
> >> daughter. They don't really know what to think of him, and McKay and
> >> his sister bicker about the past. Rodney wants her to come with him
> >> and help out for a few months because she's almost as brilliant as he
> >> is and would be a great help to the Stargate Program. Jeannie balks
> >> until McKay beams her aboard the Daedalus. McKay then reveals that
> >> Jeannie's calculations can help solve the problems that plagued
> >> Project Arcturus. Instead of trying to draw zero point energy from our
> >> own universe and release hazardous exotic particles, McKay plans to
> >> draw energy from a parallel universe via a matter bridge so the exotic
> >> particles would be vented into the hopefully uninhabited parallel
> >> universe instead.
> >
> > Hopefully uninhabited?! That's like crapping in a stream and
> > hoping none of your downstream neighbors drink from it. I
> > wonder if the writers of Stargate realize how irresponsible
> > that is.
>
>
> Duh - I can take it that you didn't see the episode in question?
I can see just fine.
--oTTo--
Number of the Beast.
I wonder how the BDM would be recieved by someone who saw six of seven
seasons of Firefly, how much of the movie would have been contridicted by
what was in the continued series?
"What you mean Wash died? what about Wash's daughter?"
Well neither do I, even if true I am fairly certain it is completely
unverifiable.
I was just speculating about a world with a continuing Firefly series.
But how can you discuss the hypothesis by talking about two universes with a
small difference and then in the middle of it say there can't be two
universes in the first place, either there really is only one universe and
the many worlds hypothesis is just a diversion of our incomplete
understanding of quantum phenomena OR two universes that are almost
identical had to be one universe at one point.
> Of course, we could send Lucky the DVD of the BDM.
> > (If we could send things across dimentions) And then, EVEN Less Lucky
> > would be downright estatic to get that series he had never heard of,
> > "What? Firefly? Is this some kind of NATURE show?"
>
> I wonder how the BDM would be recieved by someone who saw six of seven
> seasons of Firefly, how much of the movie would have been contridicted by
> what was in the continued series?
...And all the parallel universes where ALL the differing details were
DIFFERENT from those differing details.
Imagine the Rabid Collector Mania!
FA: Parallel Universe Firefly Season 3 where Zoe was portrayed by actor
Vanessa Williams! Season 4 with Billy Baldwin as Jayne!! David Boreanaz
as Mal! (STOP ME before I get TOO silly!)
>
> "What you mean Wash died? what about Wash's daughter?"
I thought they had twins?
:But how can you discuss the hypothesis by talking about two universes with a
:small difference and then in the middle of it say there can't be two
:universes in the first place, either there really is only one universe and
:the many worlds hypothesis is just a diversion of our incomplete
:understanding of quantum phenomena OR two universes that are almost
:identical had to be one universe at one point.
I don't know, but since I never did that, that
doesn't bother me.
--
"The truths of mathematics describe a bright and clear universe,
exquisite and beautiful in its structure, in comparison with
which the physical world is turbid and confused."
-Eulogy for G.H.Hardy
ahh, ok sorry, excuse my poor reading comprehension.
:
:"George W Harris" <gha...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
:news:sm9fb31btfb8ni61e...@4ax.com...
:> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:28:00 GMT, "Donny Macro"
:> <donny...@gmail.attitude.com> wrote:
:>
:> :But how can you discuss the hypothesis by talking about two universes
:> with a
:> :small difference and then in the middle of it say there can't be two
:> :universes in the first place, either there really is only one universe
:> and
:> :the many worlds hypothesis is just a diversion of our incomplete
:> :understanding of quantum phenomena OR two universes that are almost
:> :identical had to be one universe at one point.
:>
:> I don't know, but since I never did that, that
:> doesn't bother me.
:
:ahh, ok sorry, excuse my poor reading comprehension.
Big thread like this, hard to keep track of who says what.
>CEASE AND DESIST POLLUTING alt.parallel.universes WITH TV SHOW INFO!
Or what?
Not that there's any TV show content in my post. I'm just curious
about what your plan is, should people not cease or desist.
BW
stamp her feet to go with the shouting?
ITYM "What would happen if we were to continue doing so, in some parallel
universe?".
>Not that there's any TV show content in my post. I'm just curious
>about what your plan is, should people not cease or desist.
Dave "there will be NO talking in subjunctive mode in a.p.u!" DeLaney
--
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> CEASE AND DESIST POLLUTING alt.parallel.universes WITH TV SHOW INFO!
<pats Angela on the head> I've been to your group, I feel your pain. Now
stop pretending all this matters and you should feel much better. You can't
stop the signal...
Eva
--
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delusionals..."
> CEASE AND DESIST POLLUTING alt.parallel.universes WITH TV SHOW INFO!
This sits up and begs a few questions!
1. Do you not have TV in your universe(s)?
2. How do you post from your universe(s) to our BBS?
3. Is it OK if we pollute your universe(s) with kibology?
4. Would you let us do it for $20 (SAIT)?
Thanks,
Don
What do ya think'll happen on "House" this fall? IN A PARALLEL
UNIVERSE!
--
Chris McG.
Harming humanity since 1951.
"Well now you're just getting SILLY." -- Darla
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>>On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:15:17 -1000, Angela Kahealani
>><ang...@kahealani.com> wrote:
>>
>>>CEASE AND DESIST POLLUTING alt.parallel.universes WITH TV SHOW INFO!
>>
>>Or what?
>>
>>Not that there's any TV show content in my post. I'm just curious
>>about what your plan is, should people not cease or desist.
> What do ya think'll happen on "House" this fall? IN A PARALLEL
> UNIVERSE!
In a parallel universe I might've actually watched house.
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> "Angela Kahealani" <ang...@kahealani.com> wrote in message:
>
> > CEASE AND DESIST POLLUTING alt.parallel.universes WITH TV SHOW INFO!
>
> <pats Angela on the head> I've been to your group, I feel your pain. Now
> stop pretending all this matters and you should feel much better. You can't
> stop the signal...
>
> Eva
Perhaps you can answer this, does Angela do ANYTHING other than demand
people stop posting in (I guess) HER newsgroup? On her OWN Google
newsgroup search, the last time she had made an on-topic post was like
3 years ago.
Other than SPAM, this is the most traffic that this newsgroup has had
in years.
--
In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like
these.
-- Paul Harvey
Oh, it's not so bad. Better than "Grey's Anatomy" - but not as good
as "Holby City".
<snip>
> What do ya think'll happen on "House" this fall? IN A PARALLEL
> UNIVERSE!
He will marry Wilson..... <r>
From what I've seen, that's about it, it's a dead group. So either Angela
is trolling, is deluded or she knows something we don't. (Click the link in
her sig for the explanation of the third option...)
<snip>
>> What do ya think'll happen on "House" this fall? IN A PARALLEL
>> UNIVERSE!
>
> In a parallel universe I might've actually watched house.
You don't watch House?? Magda, we have some work to do here!
Because I haven't seen it myself?
> Loved to see Edinburgh in Rankin's documentary, BTW.
It's better in person :-)
> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> > Chris McGonnell <smea...@notthis.verizon.net> did eloquently scribble:
> >> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:15:27 -0400, barbara wrote:
> >
> >>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:15:17 -1000, Angela Kahealani
> >>> <ang...@kahealani.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> CEASE AND DESIST POLLUTING alt.parallel.universes WITH TV SHOW INFO!
> >>> Or what?
> >>>
> >>> Not that there's any TV show content in my post. I'm just curious
> >>> about what your plan is, should people not cease or desist.
> >
> >> What do ya think'll happen on "House" this fall? IN A PARALLEL
> >> UNIVERSE!
> >
> > In a parallel universe I might've actually watched house.
>
> Oh, it's not so bad. Better than "Grey's Anatomy" - but not as good
> as "Holby City".
Is that the Grey's Anatomy that is the reality show, with cadavers and
autopsys and such? ;-)
No more than a couple of months.