Paddy Protest
Saki
Alexandra Ceelie wrote:
> <snip>
>
> PS...what's the freaking deal with the pinching???
It's probably a tradition closely associated with the Guiness-guzzling on
Paddy's day.
However, something else to consider is that St. Patrick's day has become less of
a celebration of a Roman Catholic saint, and more a day to celebrate Ireland,
and all things Irish.
They use a saint to sneak in a holiday, us Scots use Robby Burns. Potato,
potahto.
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Aine
like Halloween. No one is dancing on graves because of it. Hardly anyone
knows the meaning of it! It doesnt represent anything more than just a
day to put aside your cares and stress aside and have fun to most! The
Irish know how to celebrate a Wake , they feel no shame or remorse in
celebrating a death. We dont need to forget what it was about, but the
dead are dead, nothing in our lives wil change it. Dont get too Priestly
and dark in your new role Tales! There is enough gloom in this world!
Besides, I thought it was a Witch, Wiccan, and Pagan thing to celebrate
death, why the black? Im sure those souls who died then joined a few
parties, parades and downed a few green beers themselves! ;)
Aine
Sleep for a little, a very small while--And fear nothing.-- from the
Tain Bo Cuailagne
In each of us there is another whom we do not know. Carl G. Jung
Is buaine focal na toice an t-saeghail
All that we see or seem, Is but a dream within a dream. --Edgar Allen
Poe
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andrew john milmoe
> I joined the celebration, I feel no shame! In America it is just a day,
> like Halloween. No one is dancing on graves because of it. Hardly anyone
> knows the meaning of it! It doesnt represent anything more than just a
> day to put aside your cares and stress aside and have fun to most! The
> Irish know how to celebrate a Wake , they feel no shame or remorse in
> celebrating a death. We dont need to forget what it was about, but the
> dead are dead, nothing in our lives wil change it. Dont get too Priestly
> and dark in your new role Tales! There is enough gloom in this world!
> Besides, I thought it was a Witch, Wiccan, and Pagan thing to celebrate
> death, why the black? Im sure those souls who died then joined a few
> parties, parades and downed a few green beers themselves! ;)
Hey, as long as you had a good time. I tried to avoid wearing green
on Wednesday, but goofed - the black t-shirt I put on had the Joker
on it (green hair and all - doh!). For years I've wanted to hold an
anti-St.Patrick party with a snake theme, but no dice so far.
This year I was more pissed at the "Drink 'Til You're Irish" ads
that the local bars were running.
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Aine
I figured I was due! ;)
BTW Saki:
Nice to have another Scottish Lass here and no bull, Robert Burns is my
23rd cousin! He is responsible for that side of the family changing the
name from Burness to Burns! That Lad celebrated every day, he was such a
drunk! ;)
Talesin
Obly...@webtv.net (I Am Oblivion) wrote:
> How many of you celebrated St Patrick's day with lots of green and all
> that? Just wondering if you know that the "snakes" that were "driven"
> out of Ireland were Pagans murdered in the name of the dear saint's
> object of worship. (Subsititute the letters SNAKES wth DRUIDS.) No
> judgement upon those who wore green, I probably would have at least
> given lip service to the new religion in order to save my hide and my
> family (hence the wearing of green under threat of pinching).
>
> This is not a bitch, just information. Ignorance is NOT bliss to those
> who suffer from the ignorant.
>
> "Sleep is no substitute for coffee."
>
> Reverend Saint Pope Oblivion
I wore all black in reverence for those who's deaths are celebrated on this
day. Anyone who joined the celebration should be ashamed.
--
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nikaia
Talesin wrote in message <7cs6g4$lu5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <19757-36...@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> Obly...@webtv.net (I Am Oblivion) wrote:
>> How many of you celebrated St Patrick's day with lots of green and all
>> that? Just wondering if you know that the "snakes" that were "driven"
>> out of Ireland were Pagans murdered in the name of the dear saint's
>> object of worship. (Subsititute the letters SNAKES wth DRUIDS.) No
>> judgement upon those who wore green, I probably would have at least
>> given lip service to the new religion in order to save my hide and my
>> family (hence the wearing of green under threat of pinching).
>>
>> This is not a bitch, just information. Ignorance is NOT bliss to those
>> who suffer from the ignorant.
>>
>> "Sleep is no substitute for coffee."
>>
>> Reverend Saint Pope Oblivion
>
>I wore all black in reverence for those who's deaths are celebrated on this
>day. Anyone who joined the celebration should be ashamed.
oh-mi-gods, i did too. wow talesin, we've gotta stop meeting like this.
kaia
"adult child of alien invaders"
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Alexandra Ceelie
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>In article <19757-36...@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
>I wore all black in reverence for those who's deaths are celebrated on this
>day. Anyone who joined the celebration should be ashamed.
>--
>Talesin- Priest and Witch
I wore my black Chthulu Tequila T-shirt
(This time the worm eats YOU!) Wish I could
say it was due to my bizarre sense of humor
and a heroic display of pagan pride, but
quite frankly...
I forgot...
(Bad ol' bruised puddy tat...)
PS...what's the freaking deal with the pinching???
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>>In article <19757-36...@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
>
>
>>I wore all black in reverence for those who's deaths are celebrated on
this
>>day. Anyone who joined the celebration should be ashamed.
>>--
>>Talesin- Priest and Witch
>
>
>I wore my black Chthulu Tequila T-shirt
>(This time the worm eats YOU!) Wish I could
>say it was due to my bizarre sense of humor
>and a heroic display of pagan pride, but
>quite frankly...
>I forgot...
the only reason i remembered was that i happened to be listening to "sunday
bloody sunday" rattle & hum version, you know? the one where bono comments
on the "revolution"?
so i thought black appropriate.
it also helped that 95% of everything i own is black...
>
>(Bad ol' bruised puddy tat...)
>
>PS...what's the freaking deal with the pinching???
i thought they quit doing that after you got out of middle school.
kaia
"adult child of alien invaders"
3do.bad-attitudes
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>
nikaia
>the only reason i remembered was that i happened to be listening to "sunday
>bloody sunday" rattle & hum version, you know? the one where bono comments
>on the "revolution"?
>so i thought black appropriate.
>it also helped that 95% of everything i own is black...
having to occupy my mind somehow, i just played it again.
here's what he said.
"lemme tell ya something.
i've had enough of irish americans who haven't been back to their country
in 20 or 30 years come up to me
& talk about the resistance, the revolution back home.
& the glory of the revolution, & the glory of dieing for the revolution..
fuck the revolution!
they don't talk about the glory of killing for the revolution.
what's the glory in taking a man from his bed & gunning him down in
front of his wife & his children?
where's the glory in that?
where's the glory in bombing a rememberance day parade of old age
pensioners, their medals taken out & polished up for the day?
where's the glory in that?
to leave them dieing or crippled up for life or dead under the rubble
of a revolution that the majority of the people in my country don't
want."
hearing that, being 1/2 irish, etc...
that's why i consciously wore black yesterday.
kaia
Saki
Aine wrote:
> Why thank-you John Andrew Milmoe!
> I figured I was due! ;)
>
> BTW Saki:
> Nice to have another Scottish Lass here and no bull, Robert Burns is my
> 23rd cousin! He is responsible for that side of the family changing the
> name from Burness to Burns! That Lad celebrated every day, he was such a
> drunk! ;)
*grin* We gotta stick together. Stand in a circle with our boys in kilts in
the middle, to keep them other ladies away.
Wow, you *know* 23 layers of your family? How did you manage to get that
much of your family tree down?
(considering how crooked my teeth are, I suspect there are parts of my
family tree that don't have any branches, just a trunk. Ah, highlanders.)
Zephera MorningStar
>
>
>Aine wrote:
>
>> Why thank-you John Andrew Milmoe!
>> I figured I was due! ;)
>>
>> BTW Saki:
>> Nice to have another Scottish Lass here and no bull, Robert Burns is my
>> 23rd cousin! He is responsible for that side of the family changing the
>> name from Burness to Burns! That Lad celebrated every day, he was such a
>> drunk! ;)
>
>*grin* We gotta stick together. Stand in a circle with our boys in kilts in
>the middle, to keep them other ladies away.
>
>Wow, you *know* 23 layers of your family? How did you manage to get that
>much of your family tree down?
>
My mother's family are compulsive family historians. Our family tree
is full interesting people. In a way it is a bummer. If you mention
So and So is an ancestor a lot of people give you this 'Yea Sure.'
look. It is nice to know where you come from, and the kind of people
your family is made of. (Good and Bad.)
>(considering how crooked my teeth are, I suspect there are parts of my
>family tree that don't have any branches, just a trunk. Ah, highlanders.)
>
Don't worry about the crooked teeth. I suspect there are some in
every family. ;-)
>>
>>
>> Aine
>> Sleep for a little, a very small while--And fear nothing.-- from the
>> Tain Bo Cuailagne
>>
>> In each of us there is another whom we do not know. Carl G. Jung
>>
>> Is buaine focal na toice an t-saeghail
>>
>> All that we see or seem, Is but a dream within a dream. --Edgar Allen
>> Poe
>>
>> arw photo page--by Weyland Greywolf
>> http://members.xoom.com/celtic_farm/photo.html
--
ZM*
"love dem lil" mousies
mousies whats I loves to eats
bites dey lil" heads off
nibble on dey tiny feets"
-Kilban
Shez
<Sa...@REMOVECAPSnetcom.ca> writes
>
>
>Aine wrote:
>
>> Why thank-you John Andrew Milmoe!
>> I figured I was due! ;)
>>
>> BTW Saki:
>> Nice to have another Scottish Lass here and no bull, Robert Burns is my
>> 23rd cousin! He is responsible for that side of the family changing the
>> name from Burness to Burns! That Lad celebrated every day, he was such a
>> drunk! ;)
>
>*grin* We gotta stick together. Stand in a circle with our boys in kilts in
>the middle, to keep them other ladies away.
Shove over you two, my Grandmother was Scottish, I want some of those
boys in kilts to, (grin ) no hogging the lads now you two. :)
>
>Wow, you *know* 23 layers of your family? How did you manage to get that
>much of your family tree down?
Not that difficult, I have five generations of my family alive now, 23
layers is only a few hundred years back and if your Scottish or English
then its not so difficult to trace. :)
One of my great, greats, got hung as a highwayman, and another had a a
child by a lord, on the wrong side of the blanket of course, (grin )
>
>(considering how crooked my teeth are, I suspect there are parts of my
>family tree that don't have any branches, just a trunk. Ah, highlanders.)
parts of my family tree needed pruning, , we certainly had some
characters along those branches.
>
>>
>>
>> Aine
>> Sleep for a little, a very small while--And fear nothing.-- from the
>> Tain Bo Cuailagne
>>
>> In each of us there is another whom we do not know. Carl G. Jung
>>
>> Is buaine focal na toice an t-saeghail
>>
>> All that we see or seem, Is but a dream within a dream. --Edgar Allen
>> Poe
>>
>> arw photo page--by Weyland Greywolf
>> http://members.xoom.com/celtic_farm/photo.html
>
--
Shez sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk
The 'Old Craft' lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/
Shez
<Nicn...@webtv.net> writes
>I joined the celebration, I feel no shame! In America it is just a day,
>like Halloween. No one is dancing on graves because of it. Hardly anyone
>knows the meaning of it! It doesnt represent anything more than just a
>day to put aside your cares and stress aside and have fun to most! The
>Irish know how to celebrate a Wake , they feel no shame or remorse in
>celebrating a death. We dont need to forget what it was about, but the
>dead are dead, nothing in our lives wil change it. Dont get too Priestly
>and dark in your new role Tales! There is enough gloom in this world!
>Besides, I thought it was a Witch, Wiccan, and Pagan thing to celebrate
>death, why the black? Im sure those souls who died then joined a few
>parties, parades and downed a few green beers themselves! ;)
The Irish do throw the very best wakes, basically because they are
having a celebration of that persons life, not their death, Pagans do
the same thing every Samhain.
I cant see the point in wearing black when the celebration of St
Patrick's day is a celebration of life.
Its not a big holiday in England anyway, but normally the Irish
population of any city will get together on that day, to celebrate being
Irish ,
In fact I think that America celebrates St Patrick's day more than the
Irish in Ireland do, :)
Aine
That is very true about people giving you that look. I was thinking
about that as I wrote about Robert (Bobby) Burns. I mean someone has to
be related to these people right? I dont get the Human Race, alot of
people want nothing good to happen to others or believe things about
what their life is made up of.Im proud of my family and also have
Charles and Anne Morrow Lindberg as even closer relatives.
Aine
That should be Ahhhh Highlanders with a lusty grin! Yes we shall circle
our men in kilts and throw a hefty log at those who try to take them!
23 layers of family out of neccessity! Seems the *Scottish* fight over
Robert Burns alot and claim the name. I called the Robert Burns Museum
in Scotland one time to get info and said I was related! He laughed in
that beautiful Scottish Brogue and said *Aye, everyone Scottish is* So
to prove to him, we went through every nook and County Records offices!
Mordred
>the only reason i remembered was that i happened to be listening to "sunday
>bloody sunday" rattle & hum version, you know? the one where bono comments
>on the "revolution"?
I don't recall there being a version of Bloody Sunday on Rattle and Hum. Is
there a hidden track on it?
Talesin
Nicn...@webtv.net (Aine) wrote:
> I joined the celebration, I feel no shame! In America it is just a day,
> like Halloween. No one is dancing on graves because of it. Hardly anyone
> knows the meaning of it! It doesnt represent anything more than just a
> day to put aside your cares and stress aside and have fun to most! The
> Irish know how to celebrate a Wake , they feel no shame or remorse in
> celebrating a death. We dont need to forget what it was about, but the
> dead are dead, nothing in our lives wil change it. Dont get too Priestly
> and dark in your new role Tales! There is enough gloom in this world!
> Besides, I thought it was a Witch, Wiccan, and Pagan thing to celebrate
> death, why the black? Im sure those souls who died then joined a few
> parties, parades and downed a few green beers themselves! ;)
>
>
Do you know the idea behind pinching people who are not wearing green? Green
was (and still is) the color of Irish Catholics. Pinching someone not wearing
it symbolized the killing of a Druid. As a magickal person, I appreciate the
power behind symbolism.
I will do MY celebrating tomorrow- on the equinox.
--
Talesin- Priest and Witch
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Talesin
Saki <Sa...@REMOVECAPSnetcom.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Aine wrote:
>
> > Why thank-you John Andrew Milmoe!
> > I figured I was due! ;)
> >
> > BTW Saki:
> > Nice to have another Scottish Lass here and no bull, Robert Burns is my
> > 23rd cousin! He is responsible for that side of the family changing the
> > name from Burness to Burns! That Lad celebrated every day, he was such a
> > drunk! ;)
>
> *grin* We gotta stick together. Stand in a circle with our boys in kilts in
> the middle, to keep them other ladies away.
>
> much of your family tree down?
>
> family tree that don't have any branches, just a trunk. Ah, highlanders.)
>
Why is a Scottish person named after Japanese beer (or rice wine, whatever it
is)?
Saki
Aine wrote:
> Z MorningStar
> That is very true about people giving you that look. I was thinking
> about that as I wrote about Robert (Bobby) Burns. I mean someone has to
> be related to these people right? I dont get the Human Race, alot of
> people want nothing good to happen to others or believe things about
> what their life is made up of.Im proud of my family and also have
> Charles and Anne Morrow Lindberg as even closer relatives.
Ummm... well, my dad played tambourine on a Pink Floyd album. Uncredited,
so I can't find which one. I'll have to ask him.
I think that's my closest brush with notoriety.
No, wait. I'm an Appin Stewart. That means I'm related to all of the
Stewart characters in R.L.Stevenson's _Kidnapped_. Which doesn't count as
really cool, since they were ugly and disreputable.
Sign me an anonymous highlander, who likes Robbie Burns, and would like to
have something impressive like that. Guess I'll just have to *be* that
impressive personage.
Saki
Talesin wrote:
>
>
> Why is a Scottish person named after Japanese beer (or rice wine, whatever it
> is)?
> --
It's neither. Sake is the drink.
Saki is a character of some sort. One of my favorite authors, H.H. Munro, used
"Saki" as a pen-name. I used to use "Tobermory" - one of his best characters -
but it's too many characters for netcom to handle.
Magpie
>
>
>Talesin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Why is a Scottish person named after Japanese beer (or rice wine, whatever it
>> is)?
>> --
>
>It's neither. Sake is the drink.
>Saki is a character of some sort. One of my favorite authors, H.H. Munro, used
>"Saki" as a pen-name. I used to use "Tobermory" - one of his best characters -
>but it's too many characters for netcom to handle.
Oh good! That's who I always thought of when I saw your name,
but I thought I was probably wrong. Always good to find another
Saki fan.:)
-m
Zephera MorningStar
>Z MorningStar
>That is very true about people giving you that look. I was thinking
>about that as I wrote about Robert (Bobby) Burns. I mean someone has to
>be related to these people right? I dont get the Human Race, alot of
>people want nothing good to happen to others or believe things about
>what their life is made up of.Im proud of my family and also have
>Charles and Anne Morrow Lindberg as even closer relatives.
>
>Aine
Yea, it's a wonder. Once someone claims someone famous as an
ancestor, there is some joker who wants you to pull out the family
tree to prove it to them. I did that once because I had it handy.
They got really ticked because not only was it true, but, there were a
couple of others in there more famous, I didn't mention. But, Hey,
I'm just a small time rancher. Now, one of my descendants might do
something history will take note of.
Zephera MorningStar
>
>
>Aine wrote:
>
>> Z MorningStar
>> That is very true about people giving you that look. I was thinking
>> about that as I wrote about Robert (Bobby) Burns. I mean someone has to
>> be related to these people right? I dont get the Human Race, alot of
>> people want nothing good to happen to others or believe things about
>> what their life is made up of.Im proud of my family and also have
>> Charles and Anne Morrow Lindberg as even closer relatives.
>
>Ummm... well, my dad played tambourine on a Pink Floyd album. Uncredited,
>so I can't find which one. I'll have to ask him.
>
Well, my granddad was a singer and did the radio thing with a young
Frank Sinatra. I have a couple of 78's with him and Blue Eyes singing
together. Those are locked away safe! My Great uncles Red and Shorty
worked for John Wayne as his personal horse trainers for a few of his
movies. El dorado, Red River and a couple other of the Howard Hawks
films. My mom has the saddle John Wayne gave my Uncle Red. I'll get
that eventually. The thing is Grandad is not mentioned by name and my
Uncles chose to remain out of the credits.
>I think that's my closest brush with notoriety.
>
>No, wait. I'm an Appin Stewart. That means I'm related to all of the
>Stewart characters in R.L.Stevenson's _Kidnapped_. Which doesn't count as
>really cool, since they were ugly and disreputable.
>
Having a couple of disreputable characters in the family can be fun.
Just smile and blame all your bad traits on them. ;-)
>Sign me an anonymous highlander, who likes Robbie Burns, and would like to
>have something impressive like that. Guess I'll just have to *be* that
>impressive personage.
>
>>
>>
>> Aine
--
Noinden
Talesin <paga...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
snip
> Do you know the idea behind pinching people who are not wearing green? Green
> was (and still is) the color of Irish Catholics. Pinching someone not wearing
> it symbolized the killing of a Druid. As a magickal person, I appreciate the
> power behind symbolism.
> I will do MY celebrating tomorrow- on the equinox.
>
> --
>
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>
Catholics up! *G* If it was a Protestant celebration I would wear Green!
As a Druid I have no love For Saint Pat however I know it was not so Much HIM
that was the problem rather his over zealous successors! Just as I have no
problem with the original Christian values it's the crap that occured when the
Roman empire got it!
Slan agat
Gareth
"Ni dheanfadh an saol capall ras d'asal."
Irish for
All the world would not make a race horse from an ass.
Zephera MorningStar
>It's neither. Sake is the drink.
>Saki is a character of some sort. One of my favorite authors, H.H. Munro, used
>"Saki" as a pen-name. I used to use "Tobermory" - one of his best characters -
>but it's too many characters for netcom to handle.
>
A bottle or two of Sake floating around the Hot Tub makes for a fun
evening! My husband and I like Sake. We also found that Sake works
really well on a head cold. It is a shame it has an expiration date.
We just can't keep a bottle around. We have to make a trip into the
city when we want some. Bummer.
Emry
in general have been persecuted over the centuries.
The ironic part, is that Druids, and other such individuals,
were once protected by the church. :| And some Catholic groups
continued that tradition, even through the inquisition, and
'burning times'. As a result as many Christians died durring
those times as pagans. But they maintained our tradition of
cooperation while those around us lost their way. I suppose
that is part of why I have so much trouble uderstanding the
anti pagan view of most christians. ^^;;
TT With Spam Block On
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nikaia
find out? i will if it's important to you.
kaia
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Saki
Magpie wrote:
> Saki <Sa...@REMOVECAPSnetcom.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Talesin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Why is a Scottish person named after Japanese beer (or rice wine, whatever it
> >> is)?
> >> --
> >
> >It's neither. Sake is the drink.
> >Saki is a character of some sort. One of my favorite authors, H.H. Munro, used
> >"Saki" as a pen-name. I used to use "Tobermory" - one of his best characters -
> >but it's too many characters for netcom to handle.
>
> Oh good! That's who I always thought of when I saw your name,
> but I thought I was probably wrong. Always good to find another
> Saki fan.:)
>
> -m
Yee-haw!
He was da King, man.
Jessica Brown
I also did not wear my green. People were pinching me all day for it,
too... *mutter mutter* By noon I was thoroughly vexed and no one seemed to
understand why I didn't want to join in the celebration with them. I
replied that it wasn't called "Blessed Be Ireland Day", now was it? Some
told me that it was now, though not formally. I had to disagree. When
people continued to bother me I began to snap that I wasn't Christian so
please stop assuming that I'll support that. Honestly, why would I join in
celebrating a holiday (read "holy day") named in honor of a man who's main
objective was to convert Pagans to Christianity? He was destroying the
culture and beliefs of the people. I really hate crusades.
Nearly everyone I knew didn't actually have any idea what
St.Patrick's Day was or how it had originated. I was criticised for
raining on my peers' parade with my very "non-Irish, non-respectful"
attitude, to quote them. I really had to laugh at that one...
I wore black and gray clothing as well.
-(Taliszanna WhiteCrow)
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On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Talesin wrote:
> I wore all black in reverence for those who's deaths are celebrated on this
> day. Anyone who joined the celebration should be ashamed.
Talesin
> Z MorningStar
> That is very true about people giving you that look. I was thinking
> about that as I wrote about Robert (Bobby) Burns. I mean someone has to
> be related to these people right? I dont get the Human Race, alot of
> people want nothing good to happen to others or believe things about
> what their life is made up of.Im proud of my family and also have
> Charles and Anne Morrow Lindberg as even closer relatives.
>
I always thought you were kind of "flighty." Hee hee.
Aine
I was one of those *Fairey Lights* you saw that night Tales, you know
the one that pinched your cheek and shook it really hard! Its the *Fey*
Mafia Way of telling you that you have been bad!
Shez
Jessica Brown <jes...@chem4823.usask.ca> writes
>
>
>I also did not wear my green. People were pinching me all day for it,
>too... *mutter mutter* By noon I was thoroughly vexed and no one seemed to
>understand why I didn't want to join in the celebration with them. I
>replied that it wasn't called "Blessed Be Ireland Day", now was it? Some
>told me that it was now, though not formally. I had to disagree. When
>people continued to bother me I began to snap that I wasn't Christian so
>please stop assuming that I'll support that. Honestly, why would I join in
>celebrating a holiday (read "holy day") named in honor of a man who's main
>objective was to convert Pagans to Christianity? He was destroying the
>culture and beliefs of the people. I really hate crusades.
> Nearly everyone I knew didn't actually have any idea what
>St.Patrick's Day was or how it had originated. I was criticised for
>raining on my peers' parade with my very "non-Irish, non-respectful"
>attitude, to quote them. I really had to laugh at that one...
>
> I wore black and gray clothing as well.
>
>-(Taliszanna WhiteCrow)
>
>http://homepages.infoseek.com/~neon101/Reflectn.htm
I bet you looked very fetching to, But actually what your saying is good
news, if the Irish the most religiously over the top people I can think
of, don't even know who St Patrick was, or what the day was a
celebration for, then they are having to all intents and purposes a
pagan celebration.
Roll Out the Guinness Gal, now when did a good pagan every turn down a
party. (grin ) where's me green knickers.
Shush don't tell anyone will you, but I have this sneaking feeling that
the Irish never ever really stopped being pagan...
Zephera MorningStar
>
>I bet you looked very fetching to, But actually what your saying is good
>news, if the Irish the most religiously over the top people I can think
>of, don't even know who St Patrick was, or what the day was a
>celebration for, then they are having to all intents and purposes a
>pagan celebration.
>Roll Out the Guinness Gal, now when did a good pagan every turn down a
>party. (grin ) where's me green knickers.
>
>
>Shush don't tell anyone will you, but I have this sneaking feeling that
>the Irish never ever really stopped being pagan...
>>
Once you've been to an Irish Wake there is no doubt. The last Casey
funeral I went to turned out to be a great party. Lots of red hair
and green eyes in that family. Oh! The Stuarts, have good funerals
too. I've never heard anyone in my family 'complain' about having to
go to a funeral.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>>
>>I bet you looked very fetching to, But actually what your saying is good
>>news, if the Irish the most religiously over the top people I can think
>>of, don't even know who St Patrick was, or what the day was a
>>celebration for, then they are having to all intents and purposes a
>>pagan celebration.
>>Roll Out the Guinness Gal, now when did a good pagan every turn down a
>>party. (grin ) where's me green knickers.
>>
>>
>>Shush don't tell anyone will you, but I have this sneaking feeling that
>>the Irish never ever really stopped being pagan...
>>>
>
>Once you've been to an Irish Wake there is no doubt. The last Casey
>funeral I went to turned out to be a great party. Lots of red hair
>and green eyes in that family. Oh! The Stuarts, have good funerals
>too. I've never heard anyone in my family 'complain' about having to
>go to a funeral.
Going to Irish wakes is an experience in how to celebrate someone's life
instead of their death, and its great fun, the old wakes used to include
the coffin and the corpse in the celebration, as the guest of honour and
the coffin top would be so pickled in alcohol by the end of the evening,
if they dropped a match you could have had an instant cremation.
No one ever complains about going to an Irish funeral, in fact they cant
get their fast enough. (grin ) now that is what I want when I go, a
wake, and a real old fashioned knees up, pagan party. :)
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
The Casey's use to be the predominately catholic side of the family.
I remember some of the older folks would call on the saints as if they
were the old gods.
I want a wake when I go. I want my friends to celebrate the life I
had and the life I'm going to have.
We had an uncle. When ever it got to, "Ashes to ashes, Dust to Dust."
He would whisper. "If it weren't for my ass hole my belly would
bust." Well, when his funeral finally came and the preacher got to
those words. Everyone who had been to a funeral with him, heard in
their heads his add on. Fist there was a flash of smiles, suddenly
there was a giggle, then the rest of us broke out laughing. We
laughed so hard it upset the poor preacher. Later, we explained it to
him. Sometimes, I think that uncle had been preparing people for that
moment at his grave side, all his life. It was his way of seeing to
the end of the tears.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
snip
>>>>
>>>>Shush don't tell anyone will you, but I have this sneaking feeling that
>>>>the Irish never ever really stopped being pagan...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Once you've been to an Irish Wake there is no doubt. The last Casey
>>>funeral I went to turned out to be a great party. Lots of red hair
>>>and green eyes in that family. Oh! The Stuarts, have good funerals
>>>too. I've never heard anyone in my family 'complain' about having to
>>>go to a funeral.
>>
>>Going to Irish wakes is an experience in how to celebrate someone's life
>>instead of their death, and its great fun, the old wakes used to include
>>the coffin and the corpse in the celebration, as the guest of honour and
>>the coffin top would be so pickled in alcohol by the end of the evening,
>>if they dropped a match you could have had an instant cremation.
>>
>>No one ever complains about going to an Irish funeral, in fact they cant
>>get their fast enough. (grin ) now that is what I want when I go, a
>>wake, and a real old fashioned knees up, pagan party. :)
>
>The Casey's use to be the predominately catholic side of the family.
>I remember some of the older folks would call on the saints as if they
>were the old gods.
Yes I think they were the old gods, the Irish have never lost their
belief in the magick of the earth, and the wee folk. :)
>
>I want a wake when I go. I want my friends to celebrate the life I
>had and the life I'm going to have.
>
>We had an uncle. When ever it got to, "Ashes to ashes, Dust to Dust."
>He would whisper. "If it weren't for my ass hole my belly would
>bust." Well, when his funeral finally came and the preacher got to
>those words. Everyone who had been to a funeral with him, heard in
>their heads his add on. Fist there was a flash of smiles, suddenly
>there was a giggle, then the rest of us broke out laughing. We
>laughed so hard it upset the poor preacher. Later, we explained it to
>him. Sometimes, I think that uncle had been preparing people for that
>moment at his grave side, all his life. It was his way of seeing to
>the end of the tears.
How smashing, and much the best way to remember him with laughter and a
good giggle at his joke. funerals are far to solemn, Christianity as a
whole sees death as an enemy to be fought, and dying means you lost, but
for me its a celebration of your life on earth, and wishing you luck on
your travels.
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Kevin Jones
>
> Shez wrote:
>
> ><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
> >>Shez wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I bet you looked very fetching to, But actually what your saying is good
> >>>news, if the Irish the most religiously over the top people I can think
> >>>of, don't even know who St Patrick was, or what the day was a
> >>>celebration for, then they are having to all intents and purposes a
> >>>pagan celebration.
> >>>Roll Out the Guinness Gal, now when did a good pagan every turn down a
> >>>party. (grin ) where's me green knickers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>the Irish never ever really stopped being pagan...
Ah, someone's noticed! :-)
> >>Once you've been to an Irish Wake there is no doubt. The last Casey
> >>funeral I went to turned out to be a great party. Lots of red hair
> >>and green eyes in that family. Oh! The Stuarts, have good funerals
> >>too. I've never heard anyone in my family 'complain' about having to
> >>go to a funeral.
> >
> >Going to Irish wakes is an experience in how to celebrate someone's life
> >instead of their death, and its great fun, the old wakes used to include
> >the coffin and the corpse in the celebration, as the guest of honour and
> >the coffin top would be so pickled in alcohol by the end of the evening,
> >if they dropped a match you could have had an instant cremation.
> >
> >No one ever complains about going to an Irish funeral, in fact they cant
> >get their fast enough. (grin ) now that is what I want when I go, a
> >wake, and a real old fashioned knees up, pagan party. :)
>
> The Casey's use to be the predominately catholic side of the family.
> I remember some of the older folks would call on the saints as if they
> were the old gods.
>
> I want a wake when I go. I want my friends to celebrate the life I
> had and the life I'm going to have.
Well, my mother's opinion was 'If they were a good person, you should be
happy they've gone to a better place, and if they were not, you should be
happy they're out of your life!' A total pragmatist, that one! :-)
Ah, but the only problem with having a wake thrown for you is that you can't
enjoy the party yourself. You'd probably be partying alone if you did! :-)
Kevin
Shez
<1006...@compuserve.com> writes
>Zephera MorningStar wrote:
>>
>> Shez wrote:
>>
>> >In article <36fae7e5...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>> ><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>> >>Shez wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>I bet you looked very fetching to, But actually what your saying is good
>> >>>news, if the Irish the most religiously over the top people I can think
>> >>>of, don't even know who St Patrick was, or what the day was a
>> >>>celebration for, then they are having to all intents and purposes a
>> >>>pagan celebration.
>> >>>Roll Out the Guinness Gal, now when did a good pagan every turn down a
>> >>>party. (grin ) where's me green knickers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Shush don't tell anyone will you, but I have this sneaking feeling that
>> >>>the Irish never ever really stopped being pagan...
>
>Ah, someone's noticed! :-)
difficult not to....:)
>
>> >>Once you've been to an Irish Wake there is no doubt. The last Casey
>> >>funeral I went to turned out to be a great party. Lots of red hair
>> >>and green eyes in that family. Oh! The Stuarts, have good funerals
>> >>too. I've never heard anyone in my family 'complain' about having to
>> >>go to a funeral.
>> >
>> >Going to Irish wakes is an experience in how to celebrate someone's life
>> >instead of their death, and its great fun, the old wakes used to include
>> >the coffin and the corpse in the celebration, as the guest of honour and
>> >the coffin top would be so pickled in alcohol by the end of the evening,
>> >if they dropped a match you could have had an instant cremation.
>> >
>> >No one ever complains about going to an Irish funeral, in fact they cant
>> >get their fast enough. (grin ) now that is what I want when I go, a
>> >wake, and a real old fashioned knees up, pagan party. :)
>>
>> The Casey's use to be the predominately catholic side of the family.
>> I remember some of the older folks would call on the saints as if they
>> were the old gods.
>>
>> I want a wake when I go. I want my friends to celebrate the life I
>> had and the life I'm going to have.
>
>Well, my mother's opinion was 'If they were a good person, you should be
>happy they've gone to a better place, and if they were not, you should be
>happy they're out of your life!' A total pragmatist, that one! :-)
Sounds like a pretty good way to deal with death. I am somewhat of a
pragmatist myself.
>
>Ah, but the only problem with having a wake thrown for you is that you can't
>enjoy the party yourself. You'd probably be partying alone if you did! :-)
But I always enjoyed seeing my friends enjoying themselves, and I fully
intend to be their after all with that many pagans around, someone is
sure to pick me up, and raise a toast in my direction. I have done that
myself.
>
>Kevin
Zephera MorningStar
I have asked, that my ashes be present and there be a glass of my
favorite drink and plate of the goodies set by. Then I go on to the
next adventure!
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>>>Ah, but the only problem with having a wake thrown for you is that you can't
>>>enjoy the party yourself. You'd probably be partying alone if you did! :-)
>>
>>But I always enjoyed seeing my friends enjoying themselves, and I fully
>>intend to be their after all with that many pagans around, someone is
>>sure to pick me up, and raise a toast in my direction. I have done that
>>myself.
>
>I have asked, that my ashes be present and there be a glass of my
>favorite drink and plate of the goodies set by. Then I go on to the
>next adventure!
Oh I don't care if my ashes are their, its only a body that's been
discarded, but if someone sets out a glass of my favourite Baileys
cream, then I will be delighted. :)
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <36fcfd8f...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>
>>>>Ah, but the only problem with having a wake thrown for you is that you can't
>>>>enjoy the party yourself. You'd probably be partying alone if you did! :-)
>>>
>>>But I always enjoyed seeing my friends enjoying themselves, and I fully
>>>intend to be their after all with that many pagans around, someone is
>>>sure to pick me up, and raise a toast in my direction. I have done that
>>>myself.
>>
>>I have asked, that my ashes be present and there be a glass of my
>>favorite drink and plate of the goodies set by. Then I go on to the
>>next adventure!
>
>Oh I don't care if my ashes are their, its only a body that's been
>discarded, but if someone sets out a glass of my favourite Baileys
>cream, then I will be delighted. :)
>>
My ashes aren't there for me. More like a symbol or statement. It is
all that remains. The mortal body is such a fragile shell for the
immortality of the soul. Yet, without it, so much of this physical
world is untouchable. I love the experiences being physical and
mortal brings. That's probably why I keep come back to this. For me
mortal live is a pleasure. All the pain, discomfort, trials and
tribulation cannot dull the pleasure. If anything it makes it all the
more precious. Is there anything that can match the exquisite joy of
being in the arms of your Beloved or holding your newborn child for
the first time?
So often, I have stood on the back porch and absorbed the wonder and
grandeur of a sunrise or sunset. It gives me a inner peace, a
calmness. I can stand there silent and hear the voice of living
creation. Living is beautiful.
Shez
I died as a child, for a few moments and I still remember the feeling of
safety, love, and pure delight, before I was shaken back into a very
sick body. I have never forgotten those moments, and have never been
frightened of death since.
>
>So often, I have stood on the back porch and absorbed the wonder and
>grandeur of a sunrise or sunset. It gives me a inner peace, a
>calmness. I can stand there silent and hear the voice of living
>creation. Living is beautiful.
Yes it is, I love it to, but I know that when I move on, its not going
to be less its going to be more. (grin )
dying is not something I am frightened of. once you have done it, it
doesn't leave you with any fear of death,
I think most people are not afraid of dying, but the lead up to dying,
which might be painful and awful.
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
I have no fear of death. Seems silly to be afraid of something we all
have to do, eventually. I saw the other side when I was 8 years-old.
I had mumps, measles, and strep throat all at the same time. My
parents were told by the Doctor, that he did not expect me to come out
of the coma. I was in coma for three days. It seemed to me I had
been gone for a much longer time. I wonder about people who wake up
from a coma, thinking it was over night or so. I thought, I had been
away for about a year. It was a very strange experience. It also
ruined my teeth and eyesight.
>>So often, I have stood on the back porch and absorbed the wonder and
>>grandeur of a sunrise or sunset. It gives me a inner peace, a
>>calmness. I can stand there silent and hear the voice of living
>>creation. Living is beautiful.
>
>Yes it is, I love it to, but I know that when I move on, its not going
>to be less its going to be more. (grin )
>dying is not something I am frightened of. once you have done it, it
>doesn't leave you with any fear of death,
>I think most people are not afraid of dying, but the lead up to dying,
>which might be painful and awful.
The pain is probably the reason for some. But for the majority, I
think it is the unknown. For those who have seen the other side, seem
to be rather serene in their attitude about death. Also people who
are sure in reincarnation seem less upset.
However, I'm in no hurry to die. This life is so full I don't want to
miss any of it. That's why I hold it so precious. I have my
children, who are still quite young. They need me. I have my
Beloved. I want a long time together. I have everyday which brings
me wonderment, knowledge, wisdom, joy, sorrow, pain and pleasure, in
varying degrees.
I have sat on the back porch on some afternoons and have watched a
bumble bee among the flowers, in the pots on the porch. The flowers
were beautiful. The bee was beautiful. The moment of watching was
beautiful. I fill my life with moments of beauty. It makes it all
the more sweet.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>>>My ashes aren't there for me. More like a symbol or statement. It is
>>>all that remains. The mortal body is such a fragile shell for the
>>>immortality of the soul. Yet, without it, so much of this physical
>>>world is untouchable. I love the experiences being physical and
>>>mortal brings. That's probably why I keep come back to this. For me
>>>mortal live is a pleasure. All the pain, discomfort, trials and
>>>tribulation cannot dull the pleasure. If anything it makes it all the
>>>more precious. Is there anything that can match the exquisite joy of
>>>being in the arms of your Beloved or holding your newborn child for
>>>the first time?
>>
>>
>>I died as a child, for a few moments and I still remember the feeling of
>>safety, love, and pure delight, before I was shaken back into a very
>>sick body. I have never forgotten those moments, and have never been
>>frightened of death since.
>>>
>
>I have no fear of death. Seems silly to be afraid of something we all
>have to do, eventually. I saw the other side when I was 8 years-old.
>I had mumps, measles, and strep throat all at the same time. My
>parents were told by the Doctor, that he did not expect me to come out
>of the coma. I was in coma for three days. It seemed to me I had
>been gone for a much longer time. I wonder about people who wake up
>from a coma, thinking it was over night or so. I thought, I had been
>away for about a year. It was a very strange experience. It also
>ruined my teeth and eyesight.
Yes I felt I had been gone for hours, but mum told me it was in reality
only a few moments,
Out of sheer desperation she picked me up and shook me, I wasn't
breathing and my lips were blue. if my Aunt had not come in mum who was
dozing by my bed would not have woken up in time. I would have been
about four or a little younger, but it took me years to realise and make
some sense of what had happened
>
>>>So often, I have stood on the back porch and absorbed the wonder and
>>>grandeur of a sunrise or sunset. It gives me a inner peace, a
>>>calmness. I can stand there silent and hear the voice of living
>>>creation. Living is beautiful.
>>
>>Yes it is, I love it to, but I know that when I move on, its not going
>>to be less its going to be more. (grin )
>>dying is not something I am frightened of. once you have done it, it
>>doesn't leave you with any fear of death,
>>I think most people are not afraid of dying, but the lead up to dying,
>>which might be painful and awful.
>
>The pain is probably the reason for some. But for the majority, I
>think it is the unknown.
Possibly
> For those who have seen the other side, seem
>to be rather serene in their attitude about death.
Its difficult to get worked up or frightened about it if its happened to
you before, its such a gentle process, in fact being shaken back into a
pain filled body, and not being able to breath well, was the horrible
bit. I had double phnumonia. the little boy down the road, died from it,
I remember being taken to see him, he was layed out on the couch. a
normal place for a laying out children in those days
I didn't feel frightened, just said goodbye and nana explained he had
gone to the place I had gone, when I was very sick, so I was really
happy for him.
> Also people who
>are sure in reincarnation seem less upset.
True.
>
>However, I'm in no hurry to die. This life is so full I don't want to
>miss any of it. That's why I hold it so precious. I have my
>children, who are still quite young. They need me. I have my
>Beloved. I want a long time together. I have everyday which brings
>me wonderment, knowledge, wisdom, joy, sorrow, pain and pleasure, in
>varying degrees.
I know its all an adventure, and every day brings a new challenge, I
love living to. but I also need excitement in my life, so I have tried
just about every dangerous thing it was possible to try, I was scared of
horses, so I learned to ride, I was scared of hights so I learned to
mountain climb.
I usually find most magick users live on the edge, it goes with the
territory really.
>
>I have sat on the back porch on some afternoons and have watched a
>bumble bee among the flowers, in the pots on the porch. The flowers
>were beautiful. The bee was beautiful. The moment of watching was
>beautiful. I fill my life with moments of beauty. It makes it all
>the more sweet.
My favourite moments are at dawn when the world comes alive, and the sun
spills over the horizon, the fish jump in the ponds, gold and silver and
red, ,( I have Koi.) the birds sing, and the grass and the spider webs
are laced in silver dewdrops, and shine like diamonds as the sun comes
through. it always seems like the wind dies at dawn.
and for one moment the world is perfectly still before it all starts up
again.
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <36fe374f...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Yes I felt I had been gone for hours, but mum told me it was in reality
>only a few moments,
> Out of sheer desperation she picked me up and shook me, I wasn't
>breathing and my lips were blue. if my Aunt had not come in mum who was
>dozing by my bed would not have woken up in time. I would have been
>about four or a little younger, but it took me years to realise and make
>some sense of what had happened
>>
>>I think most people are not afraid of dying, but the lead up to dying,
>>>which might be painful and awful.
>>
>>The pain is probably the reason for some. But for the majority, I
>>think it is the unknown.
>
>Possibly
>
>> For those who have seen the other side, seem
>>to be rather serene in their attitude about death.
>
>Its difficult to get worked up or frightened about it if its happened to
>you before, its such a gentle process, in fact being shaken back into a
>pain filled body, and not being able to breath well, was the horrible
>bit. I had double phnumonia. the little boy down the road, died from it,
>I remember being taken to see him, he was layed out on the couch. a
>normal place for a laying out children in those days
Looking through the old family picture albums is sort of wield. There
are some tin types and glass type (Can't think of what they are called
at the moment) and other very old pictures, with a dead child all
laid out in beautiful sleeping repose. Some on beds, or chaises, very
angelic. Yes I am sure that the photos are of dead children. The
Photos are well documented. Seems strange, but I understand it was
not that unusual back then.
> I didn't feel frightened, just said goodbye and nana explained he had
>gone to the place I had gone, when I was very sick, so I was really
>happy for him.
>
>> Also people who
>>are sure in reincarnation seem less upset.
>True.
>>
--
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <36fe374f...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>
>
>>only a few moments,
>> Out of sheer desperation she picked me up and shook me, I wasn't
>>breathing and my lips were blue. if my Aunt had not come in mum who was
>>dozing by my bed would not have woken up in time. I would have been
>>about four or a little younger, but it took me years to realise and make
>>some sense of what had happened
>>>
>>>>which might be painful and awful.
>>>
>>>The pain is probably the reason for some. But for the majority, I
>>>think it is the unknown.
>>
>>Possibly
>>
>>> For those who have seen the other side, seem
>>>to be rather serene in their attitude about death.
>>
>>Its difficult to get worked up or frightened about it if its happened to
>>you before, its such a gentle process, in fact being shaken back into a
>>pain filled body, and not being able to breath well, was the horrible
>>bit. I had double phnumonia. the little boy down the road, died from it,
>>I remember being taken to see him, he was layed out on the couch. a
>>normal place for a laying out children in those days
>
>are some tin types and glass type (Can't think of what they are called
>at the moment) and other very old pictures, with a dead child all
>laid out in beautiful sleeping repose. Some on beds, or chaises, very
>angelic. Yes I am sure that the photos are of dead children. The
>Photos are well documented. Seems strange, but I understand it was
>not that unusual back then.
child, for your memory books, they didn't do it with adults just the
children.
>> I didn't feel frightened, just said goodbye and nana explained he had
>>gone to the place I had gone, when I was very sick, so I was really
>>happy for him.
>>
>>> Also people who
>>>are sure in reincarnation seem less upset.
>>True.
>>>
>
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <3703cea3...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>>>In article <36fe374f...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>
>>
>>>Yes I felt I had been gone for hours, but mum told me it was in reality
>>>only a few moments,
>>> Out of sheer desperation she picked me up and shook me, I wasn't
>>>breathing and my lips were blue. if my Aunt had not come in mum who was
>>>dozing by my bed would not have woken up in time. I would have been
>>>about four or a little younger, but it took me years to realise and make
>>>some sense of what had happened
>>>>
>>>>I think most people are not afraid of dying, but the lead up to dying,
>>>>>which might be painful and awful.
>>>>
>>>>The pain is probably the reason for some. But for the majority, I
>>>>think it is the unknown.
>>>
>>>Possibly
>>>
>>>> For those who have seen the other side, seem
>>>>to be rather serene in their attitude about death.
>>>
>>>Its difficult to get worked up or frightened about it if its happened to
>>>you before, its such a gentle process, in fact being shaken back into a
>>>pain filled body, and not being able to breath well, was the horrible
>>>bit. I had double phnumonia. the little boy down the road, died from it,
>>>I remember being taken to see him, he was layed out on the couch. a
>>>normal place for a laying out children in those days
>>
>>Looking through the old family picture albums is sort of wield. There
>>are some tin types and glass type (Can't think of what they are called
>>at the moment) and other very old pictures, with a dead child all
>>laid out in beautiful sleeping repose. Some on beds, or chaises, very
>>angelic. Yes I am sure that the photos are of dead children. The
>>Photos are well documented. Seems strange, but I understand it was
>>not that unusual back then.
>No not in the least and the local photographer would take a photo of the
>child, for your memory books, they didn't do it with adults just the
>children.
The eldest child in the albums was a girl of sixteen. She was laid
out on a chaise, all dressed in lace.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>Looking through the old family picture albums is sort of wield. There
>>>are some tin types and glass type (Can't think of what they are called
>>>at the moment) and other very old pictures, with a dead child all
>>>laid out in beautiful sleeping repose. Some on beds, or chaises, very
>>>angelic. Yes I am sure that the photos are of dead children. The
>>>Photos are well documented. Seems strange, but I understand it was
>>>not that unusual back then.
>
>>No not in the least and the local photographer would take a photo of the
>>child, for your memory books, they didn't do it with adults just the
>>children.
>
>The eldest child in the albums was a girl of sixteen. She was laid
>out on a chaise, all dressed in lace.
Girls of sixteen were considered children. in fact until they were
married they were considered to be in the care of their father.
this was not a photo to go on the wall, it was to go into the family
album, and often they were photographed either in their best clothes or
even hired clothes.
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <370a94f4...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>Looking through the old family picture albums is sort of wield. There
>>>>are some tin types and glass type (Can't think of what they are called
>>>>at the moment) and other very old pictures, with a dead child all
>>>>laid out in beautiful sleeping repose. Some on beds, or chaises, very
>>>>angelic. Yes I am sure that the photos are of dead children. The
>>>>Photos are well documented. Seems strange, but I understand it was
>>>>not that unusual back then.
>>
>>>No not in the least and the local photographer would take a photo of the
>>>child, for your memory books, they didn't do it with adults just the
>>>children.
>>
>>The eldest child in the albums was a girl of sixteen. She was laid
>>out on a chaise, all dressed in lace.
>
>Girls of sixteen were considered children. in fact until they were
>married they were considered to be in the care of their father.
>this was not a photo to go on the wall, it was to go into the family
>album, and often they were photographed either in their best clothes or
>even hired clothes.
>
I have asked my mother to have that photo reproduced for me. I want
to use it as a study in a painting I want to do. This summer I want
to do a portrait of my daughter. She is all excited about it.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <370a94f4...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>>Looking through the old family picture albums is sort of wield. There
>>>>>are some tin types and glass type (Can't think of what they are called
>>>>>at the moment) and other very old pictures, with a dead child all
>>>>>laid out in beautiful sleeping repose. Some on beds, or chaises, very
>>>>>angelic. Yes I am sure that the photos are of dead children. The
>>>>>Photos are well documented. Seems strange, but I understand it was
>>>>>not that unusual back then.
>>>
>>>>No not in the least and the local photographer would take a photo of the
>>>>child, for your memory books, they didn't do it with adults just the
>>>>children.
>>>
>>>The eldest child in the albums was a girl of sixteen. She was laid
>>>out on a chaise, all dressed in lace.
>>
>>Girls of sixteen were considered children. in fact until they were
>>married they were considered to be in the care of their father.
>>this was not a photo to go on the wall, it was to go into the family
>>album, and often they were photographed either in their best clothes or
>>even hired clothes.
>>
>
>I have asked my mother to have that photo reproduced for me. I want
>to use it as a study in a painting I want to do. This summer I want
>to do a portrait of my daughter. She is all excited about it.
>
I hate people like you, ( grin) your just like my husband whatever he
turns his hand to, he douse well, in fact up to professional standards,
he is a good artist, he is a good carpenter, he can garden, plumb.
replace electrical wiring, just about anything, I sometimes long to hit
him with a 4x4 because it all seems so easy for him, its much harder for
me, and my daughter is just the same. two in the same family is enough
to give you an inferiority complex, (chuckle)
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <370661fb...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>Snip<
>>Girls of sixteen were considered children. in fact until they were
>>>married they were considered to be in the care of their father.
>>>this was not a photo to go on the wall, it was to go into the family
>>>album, and often they were photographed either in their best clothes or
>>>even hired clothes.
>>>
>>
>>I have asked my mother to have that photo reproduced for me. I want
>>to use it as a study in a painting I want to do. This summer I want
>>to do a portrait of my daughter. She is all excited about it.
>>
>
>I hate people like you, ( grin) your just like my husband whatever he
>turns his hand to, he douse well, in fact up to professional standards,
>he is a good artist, he is a good carpenter, he can garden, plumb.
>replace electrical wiring, just about anything, I sometimes long to hit
>him with a 4x4 because it all seems so easy for him, its much harder for
>me, and my daughter is just the same. two in the same family is enough
>to give you an inferiority complex, (chuckle)
My husband is just as bad as I am. The kids are always helping too.
My dad is a good mechanic and carpenter. He does all the repairs in
his house. My mom sews, and her mother was a professional seamstress.
My husband and I did a lot of the work on our house ourselves. He
installed the electrical and plumbing systems. We put up the
wallboard and the paneling. My kitchen floor is Mexican terra cotta
tiles. I had to hire someone to do that because the tiles are
irregular. I do my own painting and make my own curtains. Most of
the curtains are unbleached muslin. I like the simple clean look they
have. My daughter wants new curtains for her room. We are planning
to do batik panels. I'm going to let her do the stenciling herself.
It is her room. Of course now that she has seen the sketch for the
curtain panels she has asked if could do a matching cover for her
duvet. I did a couple small hooked rugs when I was her age and it was
from those we got the idea for the batik design, and the stencils. I
will be a lovely young ladies room when done. (Not as grand as my
High Priestess quarters. <g>) I just put up my quilt frame. I don't
quilt during the summer. I have so much else to do. Plus my husband
likes to go to the lake every chance we get.
I know it is sort of aggravating for some people, when they know or
meet someone, who can turn a hand to many things. One of my sisters
has to have everything hired out. She just had a decorator come in
and do her house last year. It looks like a picture from a magazine.
She's happy with it. She is talking about having a landscaper come in
this year. Now that her sons are grown and moved out, she has someone
mow her yard for her too. Her husband tried to do it himself, but he
tipped the riding mower over every time, he tried to do the hill at
the back of the yard. Their son tried to show him how to do it, but
he just ends up tipping the mower. I think that is one of the reasons
they are having the landscaper come in. She is going to have that
hill terraced with flower gardens. She is not a gardener. So it
looks like she is going to have to hire a gardener, to come and do her
yard on a regular basis. My sister gets mad at me for doing things
for myself. She gets mad at my brother too. He's like my Dad. A
good mechanic and carpenter. When he bought his house on the river is
was run down and shabby. It is a beautiful little place now, with a
lovely view. His wife is hopeless with decorating so she had some one
come in to do the interior. I gave my Brother one of my paintings.
She had the decorator use it as the focus of the living room. It's
not as magazineish as my sisters house.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>
>>
>>I hate people like you, ( grin) your just like my husband whatever he
>>turns his hand to, he douse well, in fact up to professional standards,
>>he is a good artist, he is a good carpenter, he can garden, plumb.
>>replace electrical wiring, just about anything, I sometimes long to hit
>>him with a 4x4 because it all seems so easy for him, its much harder for
>>me, and my daughter is just the same. two in the same family is enough
>>to give you an inferiority complex, (chuckle)
I just knew you were going to be like that.....(grin ) actually what I
do turn my hand to, goes well, I used to make a lot costumes, for
charity do's including the Wookie and Darth Vardor from Star wars, I
made them myself and built the heads, they ended up in newspapers they
looked so good, what did hubby do, he built R2D2 fully working model,
runs on battery's, and its exact to scale, He has even got the lighting
harness, the fibre optics that were used in the original.
But I got them, talked to the company that designed and made them in
England and they sent me one of the spare sets out,then worth about
£2,000 pounds at that time...his R2D2 ended up on TV. but it was a great
money spinner for charity's, brought in thousand....
I am good at gardening, and in fact double dug a good part of my garden,
I couldn't do it these days, but I am great at designing gardens, and
many of my friends ask me to design theirs,
I also am good at colour schemes so I decide the colours and usually do
the nasty bits like cleaning the walls down or the doors, and hubby
douse the painting and decorating.
>
>My husband is just as bad as I am. The kids are always helping too.
>My dad is a good mechanic and carpenter. He does all the repairs in
>his house. My mom sews, and her mother was a professional seamstress.
Ken's mum was a professional seamstress to, she could even make a mans
suit, and ken picked enough of her to be able to draw and cut out
patterns, and he is much better than I am on a sewing machine, I usually
sew myself to the material.
He designed and built our two long couches, and did all the covers
himself, then he built a matching unit for the tv and other music units,
he could have made a living just building and designing stuff like that
>
>My husband and I did a lot of the work on our house ourselves. He
>installed the electrical and plumbing systems. We put up the
>wallboard and the paneling. My kitchen floor is Mexican terra cotta
>tiles. I had to hire someone to do that because the tiles are
>irregular. I do my own painting and make my own curtains. Most of
>the curtains are unbleached muslin.
Most of mine are crushed velvet, but England is cold, and in the winter
months you need heavy curtains even with double glazing and central
heating. in summer I use lighter one.
> I like the simple clean look they
>have. My daughter wants new curtains for her room. We are planning
>to do batik panels. I'm going to let her do the stenciling herself.
>It is her room. Of course now that she has seen the sketch for the
>curtain panels she has asked if could do a matching cover for her
>duvet.
that sounds lovely. you will have to send a photo when its finished.
> I did a couple small hooked rugs when I was her age and it was
>from those we got the idea for the batik design, and the stencils. I
>will be a lovely young ladies room when done. (Not as grand as my
>High Priestess quarters. <g>)
Oh you cant beat a goddess they have all of nature to call on. (grin )
> I just put up my quilt frame. I don't
>quilt during the summer. I have so much else to do. Plus my husband
>likes to go to the lake every chance we get.
My daughter quilts in the winter, and some of her designs are fantastic,
she also is a good artist, I have a freehand pen and ink drawing she did
from the book of Kells. its stunning and in pride of place.
>I know it is sort of aggravating for some people, when they know or
>meet someone, who can turn a hand to many things. One of my sisters
>has to have everything hired out. She just had a decorator come in
>and do her house last year. It looks like a picture from a magazine.
>She's happy with it.
Urk, who wants to live in a house that looks like a magazine picture, I
like the sort of house, where books can be left around, hobby's are
constantly being done, and the computer desk is full of so much stuff
you have to keep rescuing it from the floor, (grin.) plus I have nearly
3000 books, so their are a lot of bookcases, and we are going to have to
add more,
> She is talking about having a landscaper come in
>this year. Now that her sons are grown and moved out, she has someone
>mow her yard for her too. Her husband tried to do it himself, but he
>tipped the riding mower over every time, he tried to do the hill at
>the back of the yard.
what did he do, try to go straight up instead of going along at a
shallow angle, ? so many people seem to do that,
> Their son tried to show him how to do it, but
>he just ends up tipping the mower. I think that is one of the reasons
>they are having the landscaper come in. She is going to have that
>hill terraced with flower gardens.
That sounds nice, but personally I would prefer trees, and wildflowers
on a hillside. gives a wonderful view, a natural windbreak, and makes it
look like your garden goes on forever. especially if you put taller
trees at the back and smaller trees to the front, looks like the hill is
much higher to.
> She is not a gardener. So it
>looks like she is going to have to hire a gardener, to come and do her
>yard on a regular basis. My sister gets mad at me for doing things
>for myself. She gets mad at my brother too. He's like my Dad. A
>good mechanic and carpenter. When he bought his house on the river is
>was run down and shabby. It is a beautiful little place now, with a
>lovely view. His wife is hopeless with decorating so she had some one
>come in to do the interior. I gave my Brother one of my paintings.
>She had the decorator use it as the focus of the living room.
how flattering.
> It's
>not as magazineish as my sisters house.
Well that's good, people don't often use interior decorators in this
country, they might get someone in to do the decorating but they prefer
less designed, more comfortable . :)
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <3704a173...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>>>
>>>I hate people like you, ( grin) your just like my husband whatever he
>>>turns his hand to, he douse well, in fact up to professional standards,
>>>he is a good artist, he is a good carpenter, he can garden, plumb.
>>>replace electrical wiring, just about anything, I sometimes long to hit
>>>him with a 4x4 because it all seems so easy for him, its much harder for
>>>me, and my daughter is just the same. two in the same family is enough
>>>to give you an inferiority complex, (chuckle)
>
>I just knew you were going to be like that.....(grin ) actually what I
>do turn my hand to, goes well, I used to make a lot costumes, for
>charity do's including the Wookie and Darth Vardor from Star wars, I
>made them myself and built the heads, they ended up in newspapers they
>looked so good, what did hubby do, he built R2D2 fully working model,
>runs on battery's, and its exact to scale, He has even got the lighting
>harness, the fibre optics that were used in the original.
> But I got them, talked to the company that designed and made them in
>England and they sent me one of the spare sets out,then worth about
>?2,000 pounds at that time...his R2D2 ended up on TV. but it was a great
>money spinner for charity's, brought in thousand....
It is such a blessing to have someone around that can, design, make
and fix the gadgets. We have very high alkali well water here. A
water purification system was expensive to buy when we first moved
down here. My husband rigged up one with some PVC pipe, 3 liter soft
drink bottles and some odds and ends, from the hardware store. It's
not pretty but it makes all our drinking water.
He also made my automatic watering system for the garden. He just got
one of the electronic weather stations. It connects to the computer.
Now he is connecting it to my watering system with added sensors in
the dirt so the computer will know when the garden needs watered. He
loves to automate things.
>
>I am good at gardening, and in fact double dug a good part of my garden,
>I couldn't do it these days, but I am great at designing gardens, and
>many of my friends ask me to design theirs,
>I also am good at colour schemes so I decide the colours and usually do
>the nasty bits like cleaning the walls down or the doors, and hubby
>douse the painting and decorating.
I do the decorating. However, My husband has an excellent eye for
color and texture. When I met him he was working on the bedroom loft
of the carriage house. He had already picked out the wall paper,
carpet and paints, for that room. When I first saw that room he had
just put down the subfloor and the wallboard was still rough. His
color scheme was perfect for the room. Pale green linen textured
paper for the three walls that had a lot of angles. Then a rust
burlap texture on the one flat wall with the big widow were the loft
door had been. The carpet was a deep coffee with rust highlights. It
was very stunning. I always ask him for suggestions. He can really
add perk to a room.
>>
>>My husband is just as bad as I am. The kids are always helping too.
>>My dad is a good mechanic and carpenter. He does all the repairs in
>>his house. My mom sews, and her mother was a professional seamstress.
>
>Ken's mum was a professional seamstress to, she could even make a mans
>suit, and ken picked enough of her to be able to draw and cut out
>patterns, and he is much better than I am on a sewing machine, I usually
>sew myself to the material.
My grandmother taught me a lot of her tricks to sewing clothes. I
made a lot of my daughter's sun dresses. I would get single yards of
cheap cotton prints, mix and match, no pattern, just cut and sew. I
could whip out six little dresses in an afternoon. I still make her
summer tops, that way.
>He designed and built our two long couches, and did all the covers
>himself, then he built a matching unit for the tv and other music units,
>he could have made a living just building and designing stuff like that
My ten yr old likes to build his sister's doll furniture. He just
finished a nice bed for her favorite doll and is carefully inspecting
the antique doll dresser, I have. He wants to make a replica. I am
encouraging him. I padded and covered the couch he made for her
dolls, last year for christmas. He loves to make things for people.
I like to do the old patterns. The quilt I worked on this winter is a
simple nine patch. But, I used madras plaids. The fabric is the
sleeves of my husbands shirts. The quilt is for him. It is a very
masculine quilt. It will look stunning on our bed.
>
>>I know it is sort of aggravating for some people, when they know or
>>meet someone, who can turn a hand to many things. One of my sisters
>>has to have everything hired out. She just had a decorator come in
>>and do her house last year. It looks like a picture from a magazine.
>>She's happy with it.
>
>Urk, who wants to live in a house that looks like a magazine picture, I
>like the sort of house, where books can be left around, hobby's are
>constantly being done, and the computer desk is full of so much stuff
>you have to keep rescuing it from the floor, (grin.) plus I have nearly
>3000 books, so their are a lot of bookcases, and we are going to have to
>add more,
Yeah, you can't move anything in her house without her fussing.
Everything has to be just so. I'm afraid to sit down, might muss
something!
My house is a comfy, put your feet up, take a nap kind of place. I
want everybody comfortable. I love creative clutter. I have two
large sewing boxes that are padded like foot stools. They sit right
in the family room. I can easily have my hand work. Even when I am
sitting in the evening, my hands are busy.
>> She is talking about having a landscaper come in
>>this year. Now that her sons are grown and moved out, she has someone
>>mow her yard for her too. Her husband tried to do it himself, but he
>>tipped the riding mower over every time, he tried to do the hill at
>>the back of the yard.
>
>what did he do, try to go straight up instead of going along at a
> shallow angle, ? so many people seem to do that,
I don't know. I haven't been there when he mowed.
>
>> Their son tried to show him how to do it, but
>>he just ends up tipping the mower. I think that is one of the reasons
>>they are having the landscaper come in. She is going to have that
>>hill terraced with flower gardens.
>
>That sounds nice, but personally I would prefer trees, and wildflowers
>on a hillside. gives a wonderful view, a natural windbreak, and makes it
>look like your garden goes on forever. especially if you put taller
>trees at the back and smaller trees to the front, looks like the hill is
>much higher to.
I prefer a more natural look, too.
>
>> She is not a gardener. So it
>>looks like she is going to have to hire a gardener, to come and do her
>>yard on a regular basis. My sister gets mad at me for doing things
>>for myself. She gets mad at my brother too. He's like my Dad. A
>>good mechanic and carpenter. When he bought his house on the river is
>>was run down and shabby. It is a beautiful little place now, with a
>>lovely view. His wife is hopeless with decorating so she had some one
>>come in to do the interior. I gave my Brother one of my paintings.
>>She had the decorator use it as the focus of the living room.
>
>how flattering.
>> It's
>>not as magazineish as my sisters house.
>
>Well that's good, people don't often use interior decorators in this
>country, they might get someone in to do the decorating but they prefer
>less designed, more comfortable . :)
I think it's because my sister and sister-in-law are city types. They
are more apt to want a more refined look, and since they can't do it
for themselves they get a decorator to do it.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>>I just knew you were going to be like that.....(grin ) actually what I
>>do turn my hand to, goes well, I used to make a lot costumes, for
>>charity do's including the Wookie and Darth Vardor from Star wars, I
>>made them myself and built the heads, they ended up in newspapers they
>>looked so good, what did hubby do, he built R2D2 fully working model,
>>runs on battery's, and its exact to scale, He has even got the lighting
>>harness, the fibre optics that were used in the original.
>> But I got them, talked to the company that designed and made them in
>>England and they sent me one of the spare sets out,then worth about
>>?2,000 pounds at that time...his R2D2 ended up on TV. but it was a great
>>money spinner for charity's, brought in thousand....
>
>It is such a blessing to have someone around that can, design, make
>and fix the gadgets. We have very high alkali well water here. A
>water purification system was expensive to buy when we first moved
>down here. My husband rigged up one with some PVC pipe, 3 liter soft
>drink bottles and some odds and ends, from the hardware store. It's
>not pretty but it makes all our drinking water.
We have very high lime water here, but its supposed to be healthy for
you, its just a pain with toilets and washing machines, to keep them
lime free.
Mind we have the largest number of people over a hundred in this
country. and Norfolk's oldest resident was 109 just before she died,
last year.
>
>He also made my automatic watering system for the garden. He just got
>one of the electronic weather stations. It connects to the computer.
>Now he is connecting it to my watering system with added sensors in
>the dirt so the computer will know when the garden needs watered. He
>loves to automate things.
that is useful, but England hardly needs an automatic watering system,
we have it built into the weather so to speak...(grin )
>
>>
>>I am good at gardening, and in fact double dug a good part of my garden,
>>I couldn't do it these days, but I am great at designing gardens, and
>>many of my friends ask me to design theirs,
>>I also am good at colour schemes so I decide the colours and usually do
>>the nasty bits like cleaning the walls down or the doors, and hubby
>>douse the painting and decorating.
>
>I do the decorating. However, My husband has an excellent eye for
>color and texture. When I met him he was working on the bedroom loft
>of the carriage house. He had already picked out the wall paper,
>carpet and paints, for that room. When I first saw that room he had
>just put down the subfloor and the wallboard was still rough. His
>color scheme was perfect for the room. Pale green linen textured
>paper for the three walls that had a lot of angles. Then a rust
>burlap texture on the one flat wall with the big widow were the loft
>door had been. The carpet was a deep coffee with rust highlights. It
>was very stunning. I always ask him for suggestions. He can really
>add perk to a room.
It helps if you have a real eye for colour, it makes all the difference.
and really make a room.
>
>>>
>>>My husband is just as bad as I am. The kids are always helping too.
>>>My dad is a good mechanic and carpenter. He does all the repairs in
>>>his house. My mom sews, and her mother was a professional seamstress.
>>
>>Ken's mum was a professional seamstress to, she could even make a mans
>>suit, and ken picked enough of her to be able to draw and cut out
>>patterns, and he is much better than I am on a sewing machine, I usually
>>sew myself to the material.
>
>My grandmother taught me a lot of her tricks to sewing clothes. I
>made a lot of my daughter's sun dresses. I would get single yards of
>cheap cotton prints, mix and match, no pattern, just cut and sew. I
>could whip out six little dresses in an afternoon. I still make her
>summer tops, that way.
I just never seem to have got the hang of it, but having a mom in law
who is a tailor, meant I never had to, she made all the children's
clothes,
>
>>He designed and built our two long couches, and did all the covers
>>himself, then he built a matching unit for the tv and other music units,
>>he could have made a living just building and designing stuff like that
>
>My ten yr old likes to build his sister's doll furniture. He just
>finished a nice bed for her favorite doll and is carefully inspecting
>the antique doll dresser, I have. He wants to make a replica. I am
>encouraging him. I padded and covered the couch he made for her
>dolls, last year for christmas. He loves to make things for people.
Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
he could make a bomb...(grin )
snip
>>
>>My daughter quilts in the winter, and some of her designs are fantastic,
>>she also is a good artist, I have a freehand pen and ink drawing she did
>>from the book of Kells. its stunning and in pride of place.
>
>I like to do the old patterns. The quilt I worked on this winter is a
>simple nine patch. But, I used madras plaids. The fabric is the
>sleeves of my husbands shirts. The quilt is for him. It is a very
>masculine quilt. It will look stunning on our bed.
it should look lovely, daughters last quilt looked like it came out of
the Arabian nights, all jewel colours, it was lovely. so I am hinting
heavily,
Not that we need quilts, duvets are on everyone's beds in this country,
you need the warmth, but it would make a lovely overcover.
>
>>
>>>I know it is sort of aggravating for some people, when they know or
>>>meet someone, who can turn a hand to many things. One of my sisters
>>>has to have everything hired out. She just had a decorator come in
>>>and do her house last year. It looks like a picture from a magazine.
>>>She's happy with it.
>>
>>Urk, who wants to live in a house that looks like a magazine picture, I
>>like the sort of house, where books can be left around, hobby's are
>>constantly being done, and the computer desk is full of so much stuff
>>you have to keep rescuing it from the floor, (grin.) plus I have nearly
>>3000 books, so their are a lot of bookcases, and we are going to have to
>>add more,
>
>Yeah, you can't move anything in her house without her fussing.
>Everything has to be just so. I'm afraid to sit down, might muss
>something!
I had an Aunty like that she had white carpets and couches, and almost
white wallpaper you took your shoes off before you went in, I hated to
visit her house, it was like being in a hospital. very sterile. She had
no children
I went to live with her as a late teenager for a few years it was near
university... by the time I had finished she had a house that looked
lived in, and she loved it, she always wanted kids, and she got one for
a few years...
.I bought jewel bright cushions and threw them on the couches, it made a
huge difference, then we found a bright round mat in matching colour to
go with the cushions that went over the white carpet. where the worst of
the wear was. (or would be )the whole room lit up, she got so many
compliments and it was so different in the fifties.
>
>My house is a comfy, put your feet up, take a nap kind of place. I
>want everybody comfortable. I love creative clutter. I have two
>large sewing boxes that are padded like foot stools. They sit right
>in the family room. I can easily have my hand work. Even when I am
>sitting in the evening, my hands are busy.
I do to, and their are always books around, and lots of pictures, I love
pictures, everything from a 17th century oil painting of Scotland, to a
modern black and white print by Geiger. death mask of Isis. its one of
those prints people either love or hate.
>
>>> She is talking about having a landscaper come in
>>>this year. Now that her sons are grown and moved out, she has someone
>>>mow her yard for her too. Her husband tried to do it himself, but he
>>>tipped the riding mower over every time, he tried to do the hill at
>>>the back of the yard.
>>
>>what did he do, try to go straight up instead of going along at a
>> shallow angle, ? so many people seem to do that,
>
>I don't know. I haven't been there when he mowed.
it must be hilarious. (grin )
>
>>
>>> Their son tried to show him how to do it, but
>>>he just ends up tipping the mower. I think that is one of the reasons
>>>they are having the landscaper come in. She is going to have that
>>>hill terraced with flower gardens.
>>
>>That sounds nice, but personally I would prefer trees, and wildflowers
>>on a hillside. gives a wonderful view, a natural windbreak, and makes it
>>look like your garden goes on forever. especially if you put taller
>>trees at the back and smaller trees to the front, looks like the hill is
>>much higher to.
>
>I prefer a more natural look, too.
We are lucky here, English woodland is beautiful within a few weeks the
bluebells will come out and carpet all the local woods, they look
stunning. they are followed by violets then ferns, lacy and beautiful,
English woodland is a very busy place, and the undergrowth to the trees
can be very beautiful, and hard to get through to. :)
>
>>
>>> She is not a gardener. So it
>>>looks like she is going to have to hire a gardener, to come and do her
>>>yard on a regular basis. My sister gets mad at me for doing things
>>>for myself. She gets mad at my brother too. He's like my Dad. A
>>>good mechanic and carpenter. When he bought his house on the river is
>>>was run down and shabby. It is a beautiful little place now, with a
>>>lovely view. His wife is hopeless with decorating so she had some one
>>>come in to do the interior. I gave my Brother one of my paintings.
>>>She had the decorator use it as the focus of the living room.
>>
>>how flattering.
>>> It's
>>>not as magazineish as my sisters house.
>>
>>Well that's good, people don't often use interior decorators in this
>>country, they might get someone in to do the decorating but they prefer
>>less designed, more comfortable . :)
>
>I think it's because my sister and sister-in-law are city types. They
>are more apt to want a more refined look, and since they can't do it
>for themselves they get a decorator to do it.
Oh, .....I am from a very large town originally, on the edges of so I
had both the country and the city, our front windows overlooked fields
and meadows with mountains in the background, so I guess I got the best
of both worlds.
>
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <370585f6...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>and fix the gadgets. We have very high alkali well water here. A
>>water purification system was expensive to buy when we first moved
>>down here. My husband rigged up one with some PVC pipe, 3 liter soft
>>drink bottles and some odds and ends, from the hardware store. It's
>>not pretty but it makes all our drinking water.
>
>We have very high lime water here, but its supposed to be healthy for
>you, its just a pain with toilets and washing machines, to keep them
>lime free.
>Mind we have the largest number of people over a hundred in this
>country. and Norfolk's oldest resident was 109 just before she died,
>last year.
The High alkali water, saves me a lot in soap. It takes so little to
work up a lather. I get twice the loads of wash out of a bottle of
laundry detergent. That's about all the good I can say for the water.
>>
>>He also made my automatic watering system for the garden. He just got
>>one of the electronic weather stations. It connects to the computer.
>>Now he is connecting it to my watering system with added sensors in
>>the dirt so the computer will know when the garden needs watered. He
>>loves to automate things.
>
>that is useful, but England hardly needs an automatic watering system,
>we have it built into the weather so to speak...(grin )
Ahh.. Rain, we have had a little and the native plants are turning
green. But, my garden needs watered. :-(
>>
>>I do the decorating. However, My husband has an excellent eye for
>>color and texture. When I met him he was working on the bedroom loft
>>of the carriage house. He had already picked out the wall paper,
>>carpet and paints, for that room. When I first saw that room he had
>>just put down the subfloor and the wallboard was still rough. His
>>color scheme was perfect for the room. Pale green linen textured
>>paper for the three walls that had a lot of angles. Then a rust
>>burlap texture on the one flat wall with the big widow were the loft
>>door had been. The carpet was a deep coffee with rust highlights. It
>>was very stunning. I always ask him for suggestions. He can really
>>add perk to a room.
>
>It helps if you have a real eye for colour, it makes all the difference.
>and really make a room.
I like bold solid colors with splashes of busy colors and patterns,
thrown here and there. My furniture is large and rustic.
>snipped sewing stuff<
>>
>>>He designed and built our two long couches, and did all the covers
>>>himself, then he built a matching unit for the tv and other music units,
>>>he could have made a living just building and designing stuff like that
>>
>>My ten yr old likes to build his sister's doll furniture. He just
>>finished a nice bed for her favorite doll and is carefully inspecting
>>the antique doll dresser, I have. He wants to make a replica. I am
>>encouraging him. I padded and covered the couch he made for her
>>dolls, last year for christmas. He loves to make things for people.
>
>Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
>he could make a bomb...(grin )
>
I'm encouraging him. The doll bed, he just did, he signed and dated.
He has made about a dozen things for the family, so far.
>snip
>>>
>>>My daughter quilts in the winter, and some of her designs are fantastic,
>>>she also is a good artist, I have a freehand pen and ink drawing she did
>>>from the book of Kells. its stunning and in pride of place.
>>
>>I like to do the old patterns. The quilt I worked on this winter is a
>>simple nine patch. But, I used madras plaids. The fabric is the
>>sleeves of my husbands shirts. The quilt is for him. It is a very
>>masculine quilt. It will look stunning on our bed.
>
>it should look lovely, daughters last quilt looked like it came out of
>the Arabian nights, all jewel colours, it was lovely. so I am hinting
>heavily,
>Not that we need quilts, duvets are on everyone's beds in this country,
>you need the warmth, but it would make a lovely overcover.
When it comes to a beautiful quilt, the word 'need' takes on a little
different perspective.
>snip a little decorating<
>snipping Yard and Garden<
>>
>>>
>>>> She is not a gardener. So it
>>>>looks like she is going to have to hire a gardener, to come and do her
>>>>yard on a regular basis. My sister gets mad at me for doing things
>>>>for myself. She gets mad at my brother too. He's like my Dad. A
>>>>good mechanic and carpenter. When he bought his house on the river is
>>>>was run down and shabby. It is a beautiful little place now, with a
>>>>lovely view. His wife is hopeless with decorating so she had some one
>>>>come in to do the interior. I gave my Brother one of my paintings.
>>>>She had the decorator use it as the focus of the living room.
>>>
>>>how flattering.
>>>> It's
>>>>not as magazineish as my sisters house.
>>>
>>>Well that's good, people don't often use interior decorators in this
>>>country, they might get someone in to do the decorating but they prefer
>>>less designed, more comfortable . :)
>>
>>I think it's because my sister and sister-in-law are city types. They
>>are more apt to want a more refined look, and since they can't do it
>>for themselves they get a decorator to do it.
>
>Oh, .....I am from a very large town originally, on the edges of so I
>had both the country and the city, our front windows overlooked fields
>and meadows with mountains in the background, so I guess I got the best
>of both worlds.
>>
>>
Spent most of my childhood as a suburban girl. Fenced yards, and all
that. I don't know, when the want to see only nature out my widows,
took hold. I think it would make me 'itchy' to live next door to
someone.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <370585f6...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>
>>>and fix the gadgets. We have very high alkali well water here. A
>>>water purification system was expensive to buy when we first moved
>>>down here. My husband rigged up one with some PVC pipe, 3 liter soft
>>>drink bottles and some odds and ends, from the hardware store. It's
>>>not pretty but it makes all our drinking water.
>>
>>We have very high lime water here, but its supposed to be healthy for
>>you, its just a pain with toilets and washing machines, to keep them
>>lime free.
>>Mind we have the largest number of people over a hundred in this
>>country. and Norfolk's oldest resident was 109 just before she died,
>>last year.
>
>The High alkali water, saves me a lot in soap. It takes so little to
>work up a lather. I get twice the loads of wash out of a bottle of
>laundry detergent. That's about all the good I can say for the water.
We have special extra strong washing powder in Norfolk. they sell
different strengths all over the country, depending on the lime levels,
where my mother lives its incredibly soft water, and I come home with
shiny hair, its much better for your hair than lime.
>
>>>
>>>He also made my automatic watering system for the garden. He just got
>>>one of the electronic weather stations. It connects to the computer.
>>>Now he is connecting it to my watering system with added sensors in
>>>the dirt so the computer will know when the garden needs watered. He
>>>loves to automate things.
>>
>>that is useful, but England hardly needs an automatic watering system,
>>we have it built into the weather so to speak...(grin )
>
>Ahh.. Rain, we have had a little and the native plants are turning
>green. But, my garden needs watered. :-(
I will send you some of ours, Everyone is suprised because the Easter
holidays in our part of the world has been quite mild and sunny, its
normally cold and wet.
>
>>>
>>>I do the decorating. However, My husband has an excellent eye for
>>>color and texture. When I met him he was working on the bedroom loft
>>>of the carriage house. He had already picked out the wall paper,
>>>carpet and paints, for that room. When I first saw that room he had
>>>just put down the subfloor and the wallboard was still rough. His
>>>color scheme was perfect for the room. Pale green linen textured
>>>paper for the three walls that had a lot of angles. Then a rust
>>>burlap texture on the one flat wall with the big widow were the loft
>>>door had been. The carpet was a deep coffee with rust highlights. It
>>>was very stunning. I always ask him for suggestions. He can really
>>>add perk to a room.
>>
>>It helps if you have a real eye for colour, it makes all the difference.
>>and really make a room.
>
>I like bold solid colors with splashes of busy colors and patterns,
>thrown here and there. My furniture is large and rustic.
I like very simple colours, bold sometimes natural sometimes, I don't
like busy patterns much, my mother put me off that idea, every piece of
fabric and carpet used to have a different pattern and colour, and they
all clashed. :)
>
>>snipped sewing stuff<
>>>
>>>>He designed and built our two long couches, and did all the covers
>>>>himself, then he built a matching unit for the tv and other music units,
>>>>he could have made a living just building and designing stuff like that
>>>
>>>My ten yr old likes to build his sister's doll furniture. He just
>>>finished a nice bed for her favorite doll and is carefully inspecting
>>>the antique doll dresser, I have. He wants to make a replica. I am
>>>encouraging him. I padded and covered the couch he made for her
>>>dolls, last year for christmas. He loves to make things for people.
>>
>>Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
>>he could make a bomb...(grin )
>>
>
>I'm encouraging him. The doll bed, he just did, he signed and dated.
>He has made about a dozen things for the family, so far.
He could make a little money for himself selling at sales for doll
furniture,
>
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>My daughter quilts in the winter, and some of her designs are fantastic,
>>>>she also is a good artist, I have a freehand pen and ink drawing she did
>>>>from the book of Kells. its stunning and in pride of place.
>>>
>>>I like to do the old patterns. The quilt I worked on this winter is a
>>>simple nine patch. But, I used madras plaids. The fabric is the
>>>sleeves of my husbands shirts. The quilt is for him. It is a very
>>>masculine quilt. It will look stunning on our bed.
>>
>>it should look lovely, daughters last quilt looked like it came out of
>>the Arabian nights, all jewel colours, it was lovely. so I am hinting
>>heavily,
>>Not that we need quilts, duvets are on everyone's beds in this country,
>>you need the warmth, but it would make a lovely overcover.
>
>When it comes to a beautiful quilt, the word 'need' takes on a little
>different perspective.
True, its more a thing of beauty,
>
>>snip a little decorating<
>>>
>>>Yeah, you can't move anything in her house without her fussing.
>>>Everything has to be just so. I'm afraid to sit down, might muss
>>>something!
>>
>>I had an Aunty like that she had white carpets and couches, and almost
>>white wallpaper you took your shoes off before you went in, I hated to
>>visit her house, it was like being in a hospital. very sterile. She had
>>no children
>>
>
snip
>>
>>I do to, and their are always books around, and lots of pictures, I love
>>pictures, everything from a 17th century oil painting of Scotland, to a
>>modern black and white print by Geiger. death mask of Isis. its one of
>>those prints people either love or hate.
>>>
>>snipping Yard and Garden<
>>
>>Oh, .....I am from a very large town originally, on the edges of so I
>>had both the country and the city, our front windows overlooked fields
>>and meadows with mountains in the background, so I guess I got the best
>>of both worlds.
>>>
>>>
>
>Spent most of my childhood as a suburban girl. Fenced yards, and all
>that. I don't know, when the want to see only nature out my widows,
>took hold. I think it would make me 'itchy' to live next door to
>someone.
Oh I need space, fortunately every house in this small estate on the
edges of Norwich is in a huge square all the gardens are at the back so
all you can really see is gardens, and they all sort of melt into each
other and look like parkland, and lots of trees.
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <3707df75...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>>>In article <370585f6...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>
>snip<
>>
>>The High alkali water, saves me a lot in soap. It takes so little to
>>work up a lather. I get twice the loads of wash out of a bottle of
>>laundry detergent. That's about all the good I can say for the water.
>
>We have special extra strong washing powder in Norfolk. they sell
>different strengths all over the country, depending on the lime levels,
>where my mother lives its incredibly soft water, and I come home with
>shiny hair, its much better for your hair than lime.
You have to be careful with how much shampoo you get in your hair,
here. There has been a couple times, I have used all the hot water
just rinsing my hair. It is sort of long. Goes to about mid-hip. If
I don't get all the soap out the ends are brittle. I haven't used
conditioner since we moved here.
>>
>>>>
>>>>He also made my automatic watering system for the garden. He just got
>>>>one of the electronic weather stations. It connects to the computer.
>>>>Now he is connecting it to my watering system with added sensors in
>>>>the dirt so the computer will know when the garden needs watered. He
>>>>loves to automate things.
>>>
>>>that is useful, but England hardly needs an automatic watering system,
>>>we have it built into the weather so to speak...(grin )
>>
>>Ahh.. Rain, we have had a little and the native plants are turning
>>green. But, my garden needs watered. :-(
>
>I will send you some of ours, Everyone is suprised because the Easter
>holidays in our part of the world has been quite mild and sunny, its
>normally cold and wet.
The weather here has been DRY! Last year was Dry! This year, I'll
probably cut back on my livestock. As soon as my Blue stem pasture is
well established, I think, I'll round up my stock and fence them. If
it is going to be as dry as I think it will. It will be best for the
range and the wild life, if I take the strain of the cows off.
>>snip<
>>I like bold solid colors with splashes of busy colors and patterns,
>>thrown here and there. My furniture is large and rustic.
>
>I like very simple colours, bold sometimes natural sometimes, I don't
>like busy patterns much, my mother put me off that idea, every piece of
>fabric and carpet used to have a different pattern and colour, and they
>all clashed. :)
Was your mother in cahoots with my grandmother? I can't bear the
sight of flowered chintz. Knick-knacks, dollies, etc....
>>
>>>snipped sewing stuff<
>>>>
>>>>>He designed and built our two long couches, and did all the covers
>>>>>himself, then he built a matching unit for the tv and other music units,
>>>>>he could have made a living just building and designing stuff like that
>>>>
>>>>My ten yr old likes to build his sister's doll furniture. He just
>>>>finished a nice bed for her favorite doll and is carefully inspecting
>>>>the antique doll dresser, I have. He wants to make a replica. I am
>>>>encouraging him. I padded and covered the couch he made for her
>>>>dolls, last year for christmas. He loves to make things for people.
>>>
>>>Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
>>>he could make a bomb...(grin )
>>>
>>
>>I'm encouraging him. The doll bed, he just did, he signed and dated.
>>He has made about a dozen things for the family, so far.
>
>He could make a little money for himself selling at sales for doll
>furniture,
He is already thinking of that. He want's to use the money he makes
to by.... Power Tools!!!!!!..... I found a power tool catalog under
his pillow the other day. He has stuff circled. Looks like we are
going to have to check out some garage sales.
>>
>>>snip
>>>>>
>>>>>My daughter quilts in the winter, and some of her designs are fantastic,
>>>>>she also is a good artist, I have a freehand pen and ink drawing she did
>>>>>from the book of Kells. its stunning and in pride of place.
>>>>
>>>>I like to do the old patterns. The quilt I worked on this winter is a
>>>>simple nine patch. But, I used madras plaids. The fabric is the
>>>>sleeves of my husbands shirts. The quilt is for him. It is a very
>>>>masculine quilt. It will look stunning on our bed.
>>>
>>>it should look lovely, daughters last quilt looked like it came out of
>>>the Arabian nights, all jewel colours, it was lovely. so I am hinting
>>>heavily,
>>>Not that we need quilts, duvets are on everyone's beds in this country,
>>>you need the warmth, but it would make a lovely overcover.
>>
>>When it comes to a beautiful quilt, the word 'need' takes on a little
>>different perspective.
>
>True, its more a thing of beauty,
I love the look on some ones face when I give them a quilt as a gift.
There is something special about a quilt. Each of my oldest three
children have made a quilt. My oldest boy made his first quilt when
he was eight. He made a lap quilt for his Granny. He chose all the
fabrics himself. Some of the fabric was hideous!!!! When he was done
It was a very stunning quilt. It is jewel like, sparkles with
brilliant colors and contrasts. I would have had to really work hard
to get that effect. And he did it just by being eight and not knowing
the rules to using colors. Blah!!! Kids!!!
>
>snip
>>>
>>>I do to, and their are always books around, and lots of pictures, I love
>>>pictures, everything from a 17th century oil painting of Scotland, to a
>>>modern black and white print by Geiger. death mask of Isis. its one of
>>>those prints people either love or hate.
We have books everywhere! The bookshelves are full. I was looking
for a place to put another shelf unit. I have collected some nice
artwork over the years. I also have work done by various relatives as
well as my own. It has gotten to the point I sometimes change the
pictures on the wall so I can enjoy all of them. I just took a
painting out of storage last week. It had not hung on a wall for
about five years. I wanted to look at it for a while, so, I put it up
and put the one I took down, into storage.
There is only one picture I'm not allowed to move. My husband's
Nierman seirealgragh. It hangs by his desk. I bought it for him when
I got promoted into upper management at the company I use to work for.
He bought me a Cybis figurine, Desdemona. She is Beautiful. Are you
familiar with Cybis?
>>>>
>>>snipping Yard and Garden<
>>>
>>>Oh, .....I am from a very large town originally, on the edges of so I
>>>had both the country and the city, our front windows overlooked fields
>>>and meadows with mountains in the background, so I guess I got the best
>>>of both worlds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Spent most of my childhood as a suburban girl. Fenced yards, and all
>>that. I don't know, when the want to see only nature out my widows,
>>took hold. I think it would make me 'itchy' to live next door to
>>someone.
>
>Oh I need space, fortunately every house in this small estate on the
>edges of Norwich is in a huge square all the gardens are at the back so
>all you can really see is gardens, and they all sort of melt into each
>other and look like parkland, and lots of trees.
I have to have space. Even in my house, I need room to move around.
The house sort of sprawls out. I have planted trees around the house
for the garden. But, you look out at canyons and scrub. There is an
eagle's roost on a cliff face, I see when I look out my bedroom
window. I have been watching them with my field glasses. I think
they are going to stay and nest there. I have a good view, I might
have to set up a camera with a telescope lens and take pictures if
they produce babies.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <3707df75...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>Shez wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <370585f6...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>>snip<
>>>
>>>The High alkali water, saves me a lot in soap. It takes so little to
>>>work up a lather. I get twice the loads of wash out of a bottle of
>>>laundry detergent. That's about all the good I can say for the water.
Yes I find that at Mums, if I take my own shampoo I only need the
tiniest drop, but at home I need a big dollop.
>>
>>We have special extra strong washing powder in Norfolk. they sell
>>different strengths all over the country, depending on the lime levels,
>>where my mother lives its incredibly soft water, and I come home with
>>shiny hair, its much better for your hair than lime.
>
>You have to be careful with how much shampoo you get in your hair,
>here. There has been a couple times, I have used all the hot water
>just rinsing my hair. It is sort of long. Goes to about mid-hip. If
>I don't get all the soap out the ends are brittle. I haven't used
>conditioner since we moved here.
Oh mine is a chin length bob Mostly silver these days.
>
snip
>The weather here has been DRY! Last year was Dry! This year, I'll
>probably cut back on my livestock. As soon as my Blue stem pasture is
>well established, I think, I'll round up my stock and fence them. If
>it is going to be as dry as I think it will. It will be best for the
>range and the wild life, if I take the strain of the cows off.
Weather is changing globally, we are having milder dryer winters and
wetter cooler summers.
>
>>>snip<
>>>I like bold solid colors with splashes of busy colors and patterns,
>>>thrown here and there. My furniture is large and rustic.
>>
>>I like very simple colours, bold sometimes natural sometimes, I don't
>>like busy patterns much, my mother put me off that idea, every piece of
>>fabric and carpet used to have a different pattern and colour, and they
>>all clashed. :)
>
>Was your mother in cahoots with my grandmother? I can't bear the
>sight of flowered chintz. Knick-knacks, dollies, etc....
Oh that generation were in cahoots, they all seemed to go for clashing
patterns and loads of really dreadful ornaments. Mum even had a picture
of that girl with the green face everyone seemed to have one in the late
60s. and yes Doilies to and those crochet things on the back of couches
and chairs, T
he men then used a lot of hair stuff like brylcream, and it stained the
back of chairs and couches, so they used the crotchet to stop them being
stained,
The really awful thing for me is going to a museum that shows life and
homes from Victorian times onwards, and when it gets to the 1930 I start
recognizing the kitchens, gas lights, black leaded ovens and fires, the
lot, even the mangles and poss tubs used for washing.... it really makes
me feel old. :)
>
>>>
>
snip
>>>>Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
>>>>he could make a bomb...(grin )
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm encouraging him. The doll bed, he just did, he signed and dated.
>>>He has made about a dozen things for the family, so far.
>>
>>He could make a little money for himself selling at sales for doll
>>furniture,
>
>He is already thinking of that. He want's to use the money he makes
>to by.... Power Tools!!!!!!..... I found a power tool catalog under
>his pillow the other day.
Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
> He has stuff circled. Looks like we are
>going to have to check out some garage sales.
sounds like it, but I am very wary of second hand electric equipment,
get it checked out before he uses it.
>
>>>
>>>>snip
>>
>>>When it comes to a beautiful quilt, the word 'need' takes on a little
>>>different perspective.
>>
>>True, its more a thing of beauty,
>
>I love the look on some ones face when I give them a quilt as a gift.
>There is something special about a quilt. Each of my oldest three
>children have made a quilt. My oldest boy made his first quilt when
>he was eight. He made a lap quilt for his Granny. He chose all the
>fabrics himself. Some of the fabric was hideous!!!! When he was done
>It was a very stunning quilt. It is jewel like, sparkles with
>brilliant colors and contrasts. I would have had to really work hard
>to get that effect. And he did it just by being eight and not knowing
>the rules to using colors. Blah!!! Kids!!!
I know, don't they make you sick, they pick all the wrong colours and
put them together, and what do they get.....perfection... Grrr it makes
you want to spit.
>
>>
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>I do to, and their are always books around, and lots of pictures, I love
>>>>pictures, everything from a 17th century oil painting of Scotland, to a
>>>>modern black and white print by Geiger. death mask of Isis. its one of
>>>>those prints people either love or hate.
>
>We have books everywhere! The bookshelves are full. I was looking
>for a place to put another shelf unit. I have collected some nice
>artwork over the years. I also have work done by various relatives as
>well as my own. It has gotten to the point I sometimes change the
>pictures on the wall so I can enjoy all of them. I just took a
>painting out of storage last week. It had not hung on a wall for
>about five years. I wanted to look at it for a while, so, I put it up
>and put the one I took down, into storage.
I do that to, I have a couple of dozen paintings and prints in the loft,
and swap it around when I want a change, most of my really old pictures
are from the family handed down, mostly on Ken's side, I put them in the
back bedroom which has white walls, and royal blue carpet and velvet tie
back curtains, its a dark room so it needed very bright walls, and the
oil paintings are in their on one wall, the other walls are all
bookshelves. its sort of an extended library.
>
>There is only one picture I'm not allowed to move. My husband's
>Nierman seirealgragh. It hangs by his desk. I bought it for him when
>I got promoted into upper management at the company I use to work for.
>He bought me a Cybis figurine, Desdemona. She is Beautiful. Are you
>familiar with Cybis?
No never heard of them I don't like ornaments much anyway, I used to
hate my mothers so mostly my friends and relatives have more sense than
to buy me ornaments, they get broken accidentally of course, but I can
never do that to the ones the children made or gave me, and the
grandchildren to. so they are in the spare bedroom.
I love candles however so their are lots of candles around, I have a
wonderful twisted saspirella wood wand with feathers on it, Loki's
daughter gave me when I went to America, it looks lovely on one wall,
>
>>>>>
>>>>snipping Yard and Garden<
>>>>
>>>
>>>Spent most of my childhood as a suburban girl. Fenced yards, and all
>>>that. I don't know, when the want to see only nature out my widows,
>>>took hold. I think it would make me 'itchy' to live next door to
>>>someone.
most of the gardens are hedged not fenced, so it all looks great, we
have 8ft hedges which are a problem to keep trimmed, but it makes the
garden look like it goes off into a wood at the end, their isn't a
straight line in my garden, I managed to convince Ken that straight
lines are for kerbs not gardens, (grin )
>>
>>Oh I need space, fortunately every house in this small estate on the
>>edges of Norwich is in a huge square all the gardens are at the back so
>>all you can really see is gardens, and they all sort of melt into each
>>other and look like parkland, and lots of trees.
>
>I have to have space. Even in my house, I need room to move around.
>The house sort of sprawls out. I have planted trees around the house
>for the garden. But, you look out at canyons and scrub. There is an
>eagle's roost on a cliff face, I see when I look out my bedroom
>window. I have been watching them with my field glasses. I think
>they are going to stay and nest there. I have a good view, I might
>have to set up a camera with a telescope lens and take pictures if
>they produce babies.
>
Oh I have nothing so exiting as an eagle on a cliff face, but we do face
a hill a very gentle one, and we live on the opposite hill, so we have a
good view,
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <37081196...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3707df75...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>Shez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <370585f6...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>
>>>snip<
>>>>
>>>>The High alkali water, saves me a lot in soap. It takes so little to
>>>>work up a lather. I get twice the loads of wash out of a bottle of
>>>>laundry detergent. That's about all the good I can say for the water.
>
>Yes I find that at Mums, if I take my own shampoo I only need the
>tiniest drop, but at home I need a big dollop.
I had a hard time getting my hair lathered up at my Dad's There are
times I think about cutting it. I know I would instantly regret it.
My hair has always been long.
>Oh mine is a chin length bob Mostly silver these days.
>>
>snip
>>The weather here has been DRY! Last year was Dry! This year, I'll
>>probably cut back on my livestock. As soon as my Blue stem pasture is
>>well established, I think, I'll round up my stock and fence them. If
>>it is going to be as dry as I think it will. It will be best for the
>>range and the wild life, if I take the strain of the cows off.
>
>Weather is changing globally, we are having milder dryer winters and
>wetter cooler summers.
The weather patterns are shifting. But I think it is more of a long
term cyclical pattern. I've been doing a little research. It looks
like this current trend will shift back in about ten years, then
continue into a colder wetter winters.
If this dry continues into next year I might have to really cut my
stock. I'll have to see how the Blue stem holds out under steady
grazing.
>>
>>>>snip<
>>>>I like bold solid colors with splashes of busy colors and patterns,
>>>>thrown here and there. My furniture is large and rustic.
>>>
>>>I like very simple colours, bold sometimes natural sometimes, I don't
>>>like busy patterns much, my mother put me off that idea, every piece of
>>>fabric and carpet used to have a different pattern and colour, and they
>>>all clashed. :)
>>
>>Was your mother in cahoots with my grandmother? I can't bear the
>>sight of flowered chintz. Knick-knacks, dollies, etc....
>
>Oh that generation were in cahoots, they all seemed to go for clashing
>patterns and loads of really dreadful ornaments. Mum even had a picture
>of that girl with the green face everyone seemed to have one in the late
>60s. and yes Doilies to and those crochet things on the back of couches
>and chairs, T
>he men then used a lot of hair stuff like brylcream, and it stained the
>back of chairs and couches, so they used the crotchet to stop them being
>stained,
>
>The really awful thing for me is going to a museum that shows life and
>homes from Victorian times onwards, and when it gets to the 1930 I start
>recognizing the kitchens, gas lights, black leaded ovens and fires, the
>lot, even the mangles and poss tubs used for washing.... it really makes
>me feel old. :)
I had a lot of elderly relatives I spent time with. I know how to use
a gas toaster!!!!! Sometime I feel like I have a foot in three
generations. My dad used to use Brylcream. Eeeww.. Mom was glad
when he quit.
>snip
>>>>>Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
>>>>>he could make a bomb...(grin )
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm encouraging him. The doll bed, he just did, he signed and dated.
>>>>He has made about a dozen things for the family, so far.
>>>
>>>He could make a little money for himself selling at sales for doll
>>>furniture,
>>
>>He is already thinking of that. He want's to use the money he makes
>>to by.... Power Tools!!!!!!..... I found a power tool catalog under
>>his pillow the other day.
>Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
True, But he's just ten. Give him about five years...
>> He has stuff circled. Looks like we are
>>going to have to check out some garage sales.
>sounds like it, but I am very wary of second hand electric equipment,
>get it checked out before he uses it.
No warning needed. That's what husband is good for. We bought the
equipment we used to work on the house used. I hate spending money I
shouldn't have to. My budget motto is.. 'Do we really have to spend
money?' The next is. 'I want my money's worth.' If anyone want's to
spend money the first question out of my mouth is, Why?
So, if my ten-yr-old wants some tools, I going to make sure he gets
good ones that don't dent the budget.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>snip
>>>
>>>>When it comes to a beautiful quilt, the word 'need' takes on a little
>>>>different perspective.
>>>
>>>True, its more a thing of beauty,
>>
>>I love the look on some ones face when I give them a quilt as a gift.
>>There is something special about a quilt. Each of my oldest three
>>children have made a quilt. My oldest boy made his first quilt when
>>he was eight. He made a lap quilt for his Granny. He chose all the
>>fabrics himself. Some of the fabric was hideous!!!! When he was done
>>It was a very stunning quilt. It is jewel like, sparkles with
>>brilliant colors and contrasts. I would have had to really work hard
>>to get that effect. And he did it just by being eight and not knowing
>>the rules to using colors. Blah!!! Kids!!!
>
>I know, don't they make you sick, they pick all the wrong colours and
>put them together, and what do they get.....perfection... Grrr it makes
>you want to spit.
Yes, Then Granny has to enter it in a quilt show without telling me.
His got a blue ribbon as "Most innovative use of color" My quilt got
a third place in "Traditional technique" He was full of himself when
he found out about getting a blue ribbon. He is working on a quilt
for himself with matching pillow covers. His palate is very bold.
It is the only figurine I have. She is just so lovely. I had seen a
picture in a magazine. I tore the picture out. It stayed on my desk
just because I liked to look at it. My husband noticed. He bought it
for me just because I liked to look at it. He did that for me with my
last rifle. I happened to admire a nice old winchester lever action
one afternoon, next thing I know he gets it for me. He is such a
sweet guy. I like getting him little things he wouldn't by for
himself too.
I can't go an evening without a candle and incense.
>>>>>snipping Yard and Garden<
>>>Oh I need space, fortunately every house in this small estate on the
>>>edges of Norwich is in a huge square all the gardens are at the back so
>>>all you can really see is gardens, and they all sort of melt into each
>>>other and look like parkland, and lots of trees.
>>
>>I have to have space. Even in my house, I need room to move around.
>>The house sort of sprawls out. I have planted trees around the house
>>for the garden. But, you look out at canyons and scrub. There is an
>>eagle's roost on a cliff face, I see when I look out my bedroom
>>window. I have been watching them with my field glasses. I think
>>they are going to stay and nest there. I have a good view, I might
>>have to set up a camera with a telescope lens and take pictures if
>>they produce babies.
>>
>Oh I have nothing so exiting as an eagle on a cliff face, but we do face
>a hill a very gentle one, and we live on the opposite hill, so we have a
>good view,
>>
This is the first year I have noticed eagles staying at this cliff
face this late in the year.
It was the loss of a view that pushed us out of Chicago. I don't like
looking at other peoples houses. Opening my bedroom drapes to the
open garage of my neighbor's is not my idea of a view.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
snip
>>>>>
>>>>>The High alkali water, saves me a lot in soap. It takes so little to
>>>>>work up a lather. I get twice the loads of wash out of a bottle of
>>>>>laundry detergent. That's about all the good I can say for the water.
>>
>>Yes I find that at Mums, if I take my own shampoo I only need the
>>tiniest drop, but at home I need a big dollop.
>
>I had a hard time getting my hair lathered up at my Dad's There are
>times I think about cutting it. I know I would instantly regret it.
>My hair has always been long.
I found as I grew older and especially in business, I simply didn't have
time for long hair, so I had my hair shaped and cut, fairly regularly,
these days, I don't bother so much,
>
>
>>Oh mine is a chin length bob Mostly silver these days.
>>>
>>snip
>>>The weather here has been DRY! Last year was Dry! This year, I'll
>>>probably cut back on my livestock. As soon as my Blue stem pasture is
>>>well established, I think, I'll round up my stock and fence them. If
>>>it is going to be as dry as I think it will. It will be best for the
>>>range and the wild life, if I take the strain of the cows off.
>>
>>Weather is changing globally, we are having milder dryer winters and
>>wetter cooler summers.
>
>The weather patterns are shifting. But I think it is more of a long
>term cyclical pattern. I've been doing a little research. It looks
>like this current trend will shift back in about ten years, then
>continue into a colder wetter winters.
Oh gee thanks, just the thing to tell a lass who lives in England, (grin
) They are saying here that we will be having more droughts, and milder
winters, and that Scotland will end up much wetter and cooler. while we
move into more Mediterranean weather in the south.
>
snip
>>>
>>>Was your mother in cahoots with my grandmother? I can't bear the
>>>sight of flowered chintz. Knick-knacks, dollies, etc....
>>
>>Oh that generation were in cahoots, they all seemed to go for clashing
>>patterns and loads of really dreadful ornaments. Mum even had a picture
>>of that girl with the green face everyone seemed to have one in the late
>>60s. and yes Doilies to and those crochet things on the back of couches
>>and chairs, T
>>he men then used a lot of hair stuff like brylcream, and it stained the
>>back of chairs and couches, so they used the crotchet to stop them being
>>stained,
>>
>>The really awful thing for me is going to a museum that shows life and
>>homes from Victorian times onwards, and when it gets to the 1930 I start
>>recognizing the kitchens, gas lights, black leaded ovens and fires, the
>>lot, even the mangles and poss tubs used for washing.... it really makes
>>me feel old. :)
>
>I had a lot of elderly relatives I spent time with. I know how to use
>a gas toaster!!!!! Sometime I feel like I have a foot in three
>generations. My dad used to use Brylcream. Eeeww.. Mom was glad
>when he quit.
My mum was glad when my dad stopped using it as well, and the modern
stuff the lads use doesn't seem to stain.
I know how to use a fire oven, and bake in it....(grin ) I also remember
all to well how to black lead it to.
>
>>snip
>>>>>>Well keep him at it, their is a big market for hand made doll furniture.
>>>>>>he could make a bomb...(grin )
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm encouraging him. The doll bed, he just did, he signed and dated.
>>>>>He has made about a dozen things for the family, so far.
>>>>
>>>>He could make a little money for himself selling at sales for doll
>>>>furniture,
>>>
>>>He is already thinking of that. He want's to use the money he makes
>>>to by.... Power Tools!!!!!!..... I found a power tool catalog under
>>>his pillow the other day.
>
>>Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
>
>True, But he's just ten. Give him about five years...
Your joking, these days, (grin ) your out of touch, anything from ten to
12 they grow up fast.
>
>>> He has stuff circled. Looks like we are
>>>going to have to check out some garage sales.
>
>>sounds like it, but I am very wary of second hand electric equipment,
>>get it checked out before he uses it.
>
>No warning needed. That's what husband is good for. We bought the
>equipment we used to work on the house used. I hate spending money I
>shouldn't have to. My budget motto is.. 'Do we really have to spend
>money?' The next is. 'I want my money's worth.' If anyone want's to
>spend money the first question out of my mouth is, Why?
Well if I can buy second hand I will, but if I buy new, I buy the best I
can afford, that's why my freezer is still working after 20 years, a VCR
after 15 years, and my 14 yr old tv only gave up the ghost last year. :)
buy at the top of the range, and stretch to get the best, and it lasts
years longer.
>
>So, if my ten-yr-old wants some tools, I going to make sure he gets
>good ones that don't dent the budget.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>>When it comes to a beautiful quilt, the word 'need' takes on a little
>>>>>different perspective.
>>>>
>>>>True, its more a thing of beauty,
>>>
>>>I love the look on some ones face when I give them a quilt as a gift.
>>>There is something special about a quilt. Each of my oldest three
>>>children have made a quilt. My oldest boy made his first quilt when
>>>he was eight. He made a lap quilt for his Granny. He chose all the
>>>fabrics himself. Some of the fabric was hideous!!!! When he was done
>>>It was a very stunning quilt. It is jewel like, sparkles with
>>>brilliant colors and contrasts. I would have had to really work hard
>>>to get that effect. And he did it just by being eight and not knowing
>>>the rules to using colors. Blah!!! Kids!!!
>>
>>I know, don't they make you sick, they pick all the wrong colours and
>>put them together, and what do they get.....perfection... Grrr it makes
>>you want to spit.
>
>Yes, Then Granny has to enter it in a quilt show without telling me.
>His got a blue ribbon as "Most innovative use of color" My quilt got
>a third place in "Traditional technique" He was full of himself when
>he found out about getting a blue ribbon. He is working on a quilt
>for himself with matching pillow covers. His palate is very bold.
That's wonderful, but now you know, how I feel with a daughter around
who is it seems just like your son. doesn't it make you spit, and your
so proud of them, its a wonder you don't have a sign on your head
reading I am .....mother. same with my son to.
>
>>>>snip
>>>
>>>There is only one picture I'm not allowed to move. My husband's
>>>Nierman seirealgragh. It hangs by his desk. I bought it for him when
>>>I got promoted into upper management at the company I use to work for.
>>>He bought me a Cybis figurine, Desdemona. She is Beautiful. Are you
>>>familiar with Cybis?
>
>>No never heard of them I don't like ornaments much anyway, I used to
>>hate my mothers so mostly my friends and relatives have more sense than
>>to buy me ornaments, they get broken accidentally of course, but I can
>>never do that to the ones the children made or gave me, and the
>>grandchildren to. so they are in the spare bedroom.
>>I love candles however so their are lots of candles around, I have a
>>wonderful twisted saspirella wood wand with feathers on it, Loki's
>>daughter gave me when I went to America, it looks lovely on one wall,
>>>
>
>It is the only figurine I have. She is just so lovely. I had seen a
>picture in a magazine. I tore the picture out. It stayed on my desk
>just because I liked to look at it. My husband noticed. He bought it
>for me just because I liked to look at it. He did that for me with my
>last rifle. I happened to admire a nice old winchester lever action
>one afternoon, next thing I know he gets it for me. He is such a
>sweet guy. I like getting him little things he wouldn't by for
>himself too.
Oh that was lovely of him, ken has a hard time, because I don't like
ornaments so he has to be very imaginative.
>
>I can't go an evening without a candle and incense.
Well we don't do it every evening, but on winter nights, and I use
candles outside, on summer nights. I also use incense because it keeps
the mosquitos away.
>
>
>>>>>>snipping Yard and Garden<
>
>>>>Oh I need space, fortunately every house in this small estate on the
>>>>edges of Norwich is in a huge square all the gardens are at the back so
>>>>all you can really see is gardens, and they all sort of melt into each
>>>>other and look like parkland, and lots of trees.
>>>
>>>I have to have space. Even in my house, I need room to move around.
>>>The house sort of sprawls out. I have planted trees around the house
>>>for the garden. But, you look out at canyons and scrub. There is an
>>>eagle's roost on a cliff face, I see when I look out my bedroom
>>>window. I have been watching them with my field glasses. I think
>>>they are going to stay and nest there. I have a good view, I might
>>>have to set up a camera with a telescope lens and take pictures if
>>>they produce babies.
>>>
>>Oh I have nothing so exiting as an eagle on a cliff face, but we do face
>>a hill a very gentle one, and we live on the opposite hill, so we have a
>>good view,
>>>
>
>This is the first year I have noticed eagles staying at this cliff
>face this late in the year.
You must get a photo record. and let your local wildlife people know,
they will keep an eye on the nest then, and make sure that the eggs are
not stolen.
>
>It was the loss of a view that pushed us out of Chicago. I don't like
>looking at other peoples houses. Opening my bedroom drapes to the
>open garage of my neighbor's is not my idea of a view.
Urk no I wouldn't like that either, mind I never close my bedroom
curtains. :)
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
loki
> I know how to use a fire oven, and bake in it....(grin ) I also remember
> all to well how to black lead it to.
Which reminds me. I don't seem to be able to find black lead in this
country! Maybe it's our fear of lead or something but it just is not to
be found.
If anyone knows where I *can* find it, please let me know.
I have all this wrought iron and it's rusting away! I *know* rusted
iron is fashionable right now but the rust will destroy the pieces
and I am fond of them...
Loki - who may give up and paint it all
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <370b83e0...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>snip
>>
>>I had a hard time getting my hair lathered up at my Dad's There are
>>times I think about cutting it. I know I would instantly regret it.
>>My hair has always been long.
>
>I found as I grew older and especially in business, I simply didn't have
>time for long hair, so I had my hair shaped and cut, fairly regularly,
>these days, I don't bother so much,
I don't like messing with my hair. I just wash it and wear it in a
braid because of the wind. I have to admit to a little vainity when
it comes to my hair.
>>>snip
>>>Weather is changing globally, we are having milder dryer winters and
>>>wetter cooler summers.
>>
>>The weather patterns are shifting. But I think it is more of a long
>>term cyclical pattern. I've been doing a little research. It looks
>>like this current trend will shift back in about ten years, then
>>continue into a colder wetter winters.
>
>Oh gee thanks, just the thing to tell a lass who lives in England, (grin
>) They are saying here that we will be having more droughts, and milder
>winters, and that Scotland will end up much wetter and cooler. while we
>move into more Mediterranean weather in the south.
I was talking a Prof from the University, not to long ago. There is a
debate in some circles, of a mini ice age developing in about 200
years. His son had been studying ice core samples from a glaciers. I
am hoping he and his wife will be at the lake more often this year.
We have such good conversations. They have a nice cabin at the lake.
They like to fish with us. We catch and release.
>>
>snip
>My mum was glad when my dad stopped using it as well, and the modern
>stuff the lads use doesn't seem to stain.
>I know how to use a fire oven, and bake in it....(grin ) I also remember
>all to well how to black lead it to.
I've cooked and baked with a wood oven. I've also baked in a
campfire. Scorched the palm of my hand too! Had to sleep with my
hand in a bowl of ice water. Not fun on a camping trip. Next time
I'm just going to let that loaf of bread hit the coals
Five years ago a friend of our's grandmother died. Tucked in a corner
of her storm cellar were several cans of black lead for the old stove
that had been rusting on her back porch. I about fainted when he told
me, he had sold the stove and the paint for 100 bucks! He had no idea
what it was worth. He had grown up surrounded by her old stuff and
just thought it was junk! I found a good dealer for him and made sure
he got what it was worth. I got a nice black iron bedstead out of it!
>>
>>>snip
>
>>>Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
>>
>>True, But he's just ten. Give him about five years...
>
>Your joking, these days, (grin ) your out of touch, anything from ten to
>12 they grow up fast.
I don't know. He still thinks girls are icky. His oldest brother is
15 and I have found one nude picture under his mattress. It was one I
had been missing out of my clippings I collect, for my figure studies.
At least he has good taste. It is a very lovely photo.
>snip<
>Well if I can buy second hand I will, but if I buy new, I buy the best I
>can afford, that's why my freezer is still working after 20 years, a VCR
>after 15 years, and my 14 yr old tv only gave up the ghost last year. :)
>buy at the top of the range, and stretch to get the best, and it lasts
>years longer.
When I buy new I get the best I can afford. Especially when it comes
to appliances. When it comes to furniture I do the same. I have a
couch that is almost thirty yrs old. I have had it recovered a couple
times but the couch is still solid. My husbands mother bought it in
Germany. She was going to sell it when she sold her big house to move
into their little retirement house. I bought her a new couch for her
new home to replace it. I love that couch. I know it is going to
last another thirty yrs. and another few re coverings.
>>>>>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>I love the look on some ones face when I give them a quilt as a gift.
>>>>There is something special about a quilt. Each of my oldest three
>>>>children have made a quilt. My oldest boy made his first quilt when
>>>>he was eight. He made a lap quilt for his Granny. He chose all the
>>>>fabrics himself. Some of the fabric was hideous!!!! When he was done
>>>>It was a very stunning quilt. It is jewel like, sparkles with
>>>>brilliant colors and contrasts. I would have had to really work hard
>>>>to get that effect. And he did it just by being eight and not knowing
>>>>the rules to using colors. Blah!!! Kids!!!
>>>
>>>I know, don't they make you sick, they pick all the wrong colours and
>>>put them together, and what do they get.....perfection... Grrr it makes
>>>you want to spit.
>>
>>Yes, Then Granny has to enter it in a quilt show without telling me.
>>His got a blue ribbon as "Most innovative use of color" My quilt got
>>a third place in "Traditional technique" He was full of himself when
>>he found out about getting a blue ribbon. He is working on a quilt
>>for himself with matching pillow covers. His palate is very bold.
>
>That's wonderful, but now you know, how I feel with a daughter around
>who is it seems just like your son. doesn't it make you spit, and your
>so proud of them, its a wonder you don't have a sign on your head
>reading I am .....mother. same with my son to.
I have a T-shirt a friend gave me. It has 'Professional Mother'
printed on the front. I am always so proud of what they do.
Encouraging them is so easy to do. All it seems to take is the tools
and a little instruction. My Oldest boy had Home Ec this year. He
really wowed them in the kitchen. The other kids opened cans and
added water. He chopped, mixed and seasoned from scratch. I got a
note from the teacher asking if he could cook for her.
>>
>>>>>snip
>>>
>>
>>It is the only figurine I have. She is just so lovely. I had seen a
>>picture in a magazine. I tore the picture out. It stayed on my desk
>>just because I liked to look at it. My husband noticed. He bought it
>>for me just because I liked to look at it. He did that for me with my
>>last rifle. I happened to admire a nice old winchester lever action
>>one afternoon, next thing I know he gets it for me. He is such a
>>sweet guy. I like getting him little things he wouldn't by for
>>himself too.
>
>Oh that was lovely of him, ken has a hard time, because I don't like
>ornaments so he has to be very imaginative.
Beloved has always done a good job of finding the right gift. I guess
for a man I'm easy. Fishing equipment, Firearms, knives, a CD. He
just bought me a new pair of hiking boots for my birthday. See, I'm
easy. I'm not just a wife, I'm his buddy. We do happen to by a lot
of shared gifts. There are so many things we do together. (He got to
use my lever action Winchester before I did!)
>>
>>>>>>>snipping Yard and Garden<
>>
>>>
>>>Oh I have nothing so exiting as an eagle on a cliff face, but we do face
>>>a hill a very gentle one, and we live on the opposite hill, so we have a
>>>good view,
>>>>
>>
>>This is the first year I have noticed eagles staying at this cliff
>>face this late in the year.
>
>You must get a photo record. and let your local wildlife people know,
>they will keep an eye on the nest then, and make sure that the eggs are
>not stolen.
Well, someone would have to trespass on to my land to get to that
cliff and it about 20 ft below the edge and 5X that from the ground
up. I would notice it, if someone tried to get to those eggs.
>>
>>It was the loss of a view that pushed us out of Chicago. I don't like
>>looking at other peoples houses. Opening my bedroom drapes to the
>>open garage of my neighbor's is not my idea of a view.
>
>Urk no I wouldn't like that either, mind I never close my bedroom
>curtains. :)
I really don't have curtains in the bedroom. I have some lacey
decorations around my windows, but they don't close. I like to look
outside as I dress in the morning.
Shez
writes
>> all to well how to black lead it to.
>
>country! Maybe it's our fear of lead or something but it just is not to
>be found.
You can still find it in England, , you have to go to one of those
company's that sells stoves, with chimneys for the fireplace,
we have one locally, I can get you some if you want. ?
>
>
>If anyone knows where I *can* find it, please let me know.
>
>I have all this wrought iron and it's rusting away! I *know* rusted
>iron is fashionable right now but the rust will destroy the pieces
>and I am fond of them...
Oh that is a shame, but I don't think the black lead will help that much
as its outside.
You can get specialist stuff to clean off the rust, and then you paint
it, and the paint protects it from rusting.
>
>Loki - who may give up and paint it all
--
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>
snip
>>Oh gee thanks, just the thing to tell a lass who lives in England, (grin
>>) They are saying here that we will be having more droughts, and milder
>>winters, and that Scotland will end up much wetter and cooler. while we
>>move into more Mediterranean weather in the south.
>
>I was talking a Prof from the University, not to long ago. There is a
>debate in some circles, of a mini ice age developing in about 200
>years. His son had been studying ice core samples from a glaciers. I
>am hoping he and his wife will be at the lake more often this year.
>We have such good conversations. They have a nice cabin at the lake.
>They like to fish with us. We catch and release.
>
the Thames river froze so solidly they held a fair on it, and put lit
braziers on the ice to light the fair and warm people.
>>snip
>
>>My mum was glad when my dad stopped using it as well, and the modern
>>stuff the lads use doesn't seem to stain.
>>I know how to use a fire oven, and bake in it....(grin ) I also remember
>>all to well how to black lead it to.
>
>I've cooked and baked with a wood oven. I've also baked in a
>campfire. Scorched the palm of my hand too! Had to sleep with my
>hand in a bowl of ice water. Not fun on a camping trip. Next time
>I'm just going to let that loaf of bread hit the coals
Oh I did that with a bottle of baby's milk, my youngest chewed my
nipples to death and I had ulcers on them, so I had to bottle feed, I
was putting a nipple on the bottle when it tipped and went all over my
hand, I spent a night with my hand in cold water to....not nice.
>
>Five years ago a friend of our's grandmother died. Tucked in a corner
>of her storm cellar were several cans of black lead for the old stove
>that had been rusting on her back porch. I about fainted when he told
>me, he had sold the stove and the paint for 100 bucks! He had no idea
>what it was worth. He had grown up surrounded by her old stuff and
>just thought it was junk! I found a good dealer for him and made sure
>he got what it was worth. I got a nice black iron bedstead out of it!
You did do well, those bedsteads are worth quite a bit now to, though I
have noticed that stuff that costs a few pounds in this country, because
their is so much of it, costs a fortune in America.
If I ever return I shall drag Loki to an Antique shop and take a few
odds and ends, it should just about pay for the trip... (grin) and for
motel and eating out for both of us.
>
>>>
>>>>snip
>>
>>>>Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
>>>
>>>True, But he's just ten. Give him about five years...
>>
>>Your joking, these days, (grin ) your out of touch, anything from ten to
>>12 they grow up fast.
>
>I don't know. He still thinks girls are icky. His oldest brother is
>15 and I have found one nude picture under his mattress. It was one I
>had been missing out of my clippings I collect, for my figure studies.
>At least he has good taste. It is a very lovely photo.
They get their eventually, (grin) and your eldest is probably hiding the
rest, :)
>
>>snip<
>
>>Well if I can buy second hand I will, but if I buy new, I buy the best I
>>can afford, that's why my freezer is still working after 20 years, a VCR
>>after 15 years, and my 14 yr old tv only gave up the ghost last year. :)
>>buy at the top of the range, and stretch to get the best, and it lasts
>>years longer.
>
>When I buy new I get the best I can afford. Especially when it comes
>to appliances. When it comes to furniture I do the same. I have a
>couch that is almost thirty yrs old. I have had it recovered a couple
>times but the couch is still solid. My husbands mother bought it in
>Germany. She was going to sell it when she sold her big house to move
>into their little retirement house. I bought her a new couch for her
>new home to replace it. I love that couch. I know it is going to
>last another thirty yrs. and another few re coverings.
Snip
Oh we do the same, I bought a really expensive set of bedroom cupboards
in sold teak when we were married a couple of years, it cost me a
fortune, and the wood is beautiful,
When I changed my bedroom around they didn't fit, and my darling
daughter was up their and emptying the drawers out before I could say ,
yes you can have it, but she knows she either hands it down or gives it
back, its a classic,
>
>>>>>>>>snip
>>>for himself with matching pillow covers. His palate is very bold.
>>
>>That's wonderful, but now you know, how I feel with a daughter around
>>who is it seems just like your son. doesn't it make you spit, and your
>>so proud of them, its a wonder you don't have a sign on your head
>>reading I am .....mother. same with my son to.
>
>I have a T-shirt a friend gave me. It has 'Professional Mother'
>printed on the front. I am always so proud of what they do.
>Encouraging them is so easy to do. All it seems to take is the tools
>and a little instruction. My Oldest boy had Home Ec this year. He
>really wowed them in the kitchen. The other kids opened cans and
>added water. He chopped, mixed and seasoned from scratch. I got a
>note from the teacher asking if he could cook for her.
Great, that must have made you really proud, and good for you, so many
women teach the girls how to cook and not the boys, many men who are on
their first flats and jobs, have no idea how to look after themselves,
which I think is sad, they should be able to cook, wash, clean, iron,
garden, change a plug, be able to mend simple electric systems, do a bit
of carpentry, and sew, and anything else that is needed, so should the
girls.
>
>
>
>>>
Snip Eagle eerie
>>
>>You must get a photo record. and let your local wildlife people know,
>>they will keep an eye on the nest then, and make sure that the eggs are
>>not stolen.
>
>Well, someone would have to trespass on to my land to get to that
>cliff and it about 20 ft below the edge and 5X that from the ground
>up. I would notice it, if someone tried to get to those eggs.
Well lets hope so but such eggs fetch a fortune and their is a big
market in stolen birds eggs.
>
>>>
>>>It was the loss of a view that pushed us out of Chicago. I don't like
>>>looking at other peoples houses. Opening my bedroom drapes to the
>>>open garage of my neighbor's is not my idea of a view.
>>
>>Urk no I wouldn't like that either, mind I never close my bedroom
>>curtains. :)
>
>I really don't have curtains in the bedroom. I have some lacey
>decorations around my windows, but they don't close. I like to look
>outside as I dress in the morning.
I just like to see the light, in the morning, I hate waking up to a dark
bedroom
>
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
loki
> You did do well, those bedsteads are worth quite a bit now to, though I
> have noticed that stuff that costs a few pounds in this country, because
> their is so much of it, costs a fortune in America.
> If I ever return I shall drag Loki to an Antique shop and take a few
> odds and ends, it should just about pay for the trip... (grin) and for
> motel and eating out for both of us.
Well, start thinking about perhaps coming back next year. I'm thinking
that
me going there every year is just too much and besides, everyone here
misses you.
Now, I just need to save those miles...
Loki
loki
> company's that sells stoves, with chimneys for the fireplace,
> we have one locally, I can get you some if you want. ?
I thought perhaps that was the case. There is a television show
here that is filmed in England about decorating. They always
show people how to use that stuff on old stoves and such.
I'm not sure I could get it into this country though. I'll check.
> >If anyone knows where I *can* find it, please let me know.
> >
> >I have all this wrought iron and it's rusting away! I *know* rusted
> >iron is fashionable right now but the rust will destroy the pieces
> >and I am fond of them...
>
> Oh that is a shame, but I don't think the black lead will help that much
> as its outside.
> You can get specialist stuff to clean off the rust, and then you paint
> it, and the paint protects it from rusting.
Sounds like I need to paint it after all. I do have a wire brush that
attaches to an electric drill for stripping off the rust. Now, I just
need to get busy it would seem.
Loki
Shez
writes
You can buy specialist paints for iron that is outdoors, that keep the
rust away very successfully, it might be worth looking around for some.
>
>Loki
Shez
>> have noticed that stuff that costs a few pounds in this country, because
>> their is so much of it, costs a fortune in America.
>> If I ever return I shall drag Loki to an Antique shop and take a few
>> odds and ends, it should just about pay for the trip... (grin) and for
>> motel and eating out for both of us.
>
>that
>me going there every year is just too much and besides, everyone here
>misses you.
Oh that is a temptation. :) and I miss you all to, especially your
family, that daft dog, and those crickets and tree frogs,
if I do some bargain hunting round the antique shops then I can get
enough to sell to make a profit, and be able to fund us both to motels
and eating out.
You will have to look in antique shops for me, and tell me what is
fetching good prices. :)
>
>Now, I just need to save those miles...
>
>Loki
loki
> Oh that is a temptation. :) and I miss you all to, especially your
> family, that daft dog, and those crickets and tree frogs,
> if I do some bargain hunting round the antique shops then I can get
> enough to sell to make a profit, and be able to fund us both to motels
> and eating out.
> You will have to look in antique shops for me, and tell me what is
> fetching good prices. :)
Now that would be wonderful indeed! I'll start checking and if anyone
here knows what antiques are hot here, please let us know!
As to the daft dog, she's still with us and as daft as ever.
We do now have a three legged bobtailed cat though. <sigh> He
has cancer and lost one of his front legs. Raven (Brit) was fond of
him when Raven was here and I had forgotten to tell him so, Caroline,
if you are reading this please let him know. It's the one that got
hit by the car just before he got here.
Loki
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <370d81ef...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>snip
>>>Oh gee thanks, just the thing to tell a lass who lives in England, (grin
>>>) They are saying here that we will be having more droughts, and milder
>>>winters, and that Scotland will end up much wetter and cooler. while we
>>>move into more Mediterranean weather in the south.
>>
>>I was talking a Prof from the University, not to long ago. There is a
>>debate in some circles, of a mini ice age developing in about 200
>>years. His son had been studying ice core samples from a glaciers. I
>>am hoping he and his wife will be at the lake more often this year.
>>We have such good conversations. They have a nice cabin at the lake.
>>They like to fish with us. We catch and release.
>>
>Such mini ice ages are not unknown, we had one in Victorian times, and
>the Thames river froze so solidly they held a fair on it, and put lit
>braziers on the ice to light the fair and warm people.
Well, he was talking about an ice age a little more serious than the
one, during QV's era. There would be greater glacial expansion and a
lowering of the sea level. Nothing like the big ice ages, but, it
will quite different than what is considered normal weather now.
>>>>
>>>snip
>>
>>Five years ago a friend of our's grandmother died. Tucked in a corner
>>of her storm cellar were several cans of black lead for the old stove
>>that had been rusting on her back porch. I about fainted when he told
>>me, he had sold the stove and the paint for 100 bucks! He had no idea
>>what it was worth. He had grown up surrounded by her old stuff and
>>just thought it was junk! I found a good dealer for him and made sure
>>he got what it was worth. I got a nice black iron bedstead out of it!
>
>You did do well, those bedsteads are worth quite a bit now to, though I
>have noticed that stuff that costs a few pounds in this country, because
>their is so much of it, costs a fortune in America.
>If I ever return I shall drag Loki to an Antique shop and take a few
>odds and ends, it should just about pay for the trip... (grin) and for
>motel and eating out for both of us.
There is a town about 75 miles south of me that has a huge antique
store. The owners go to England and Europe and buy lots of stuff
cheap, bring it back here clean it up and sell it for a mint. I have
a carved washstand with bowl, pitcher, soap dish, shaving mug and a
few other matching do-dads, my Mother-in-law gave me. She got it in
Holland for the equivalent of 5 dollars, from a neighbor who was
cleaning out his attic. A similar item, not as nice, at that antique
store was $1,250. dollars! I about fainted! So load up Shez!
>>
>>>>
>>>>>snip
>>>
>>>>>Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
>>>>
>>>>True, But he's just ten. Give him about five years...
>>>
>>>Your joking, these days, (grin ) your out of touch, anything from ten to
>>>12 they grow up fast.
>>
>>I don't know. He still thinks girls are icky. His oldest brother is
>>15 and I have found one nude picture under his mattress. It was one I
>>had been missing out of my clippings I collect, for my figure studies.
>>At least he has good taste. It is a very lovely photo.
>
>They get their eventually, (grin) and your eldest is probably hiding the
>rest, :)
If he is, he's got a loose floor board he's hiding them under. His
room is small and has darn few places to hide anything. They might be
in his footlocker, but I have the spare key, which he gave me. We
gave him the footlocker, so, he would have a place to put personal
stuff. Brothers and sisters can be such snoops.
>Snip
>Oh we do the same, I bought a really expensive set of bedroom cupboards
>in sold teak when we were married a couple of years, it cost me a
>fortune, and the wood is beautiful,
> When I changed my bedroom around they didn't fit, and my darling
>daughter was up their and emptying the drawers out before I could say ,
>yes you can have it, but she knows she either hands it down or gives it
>back, its a classic,
My mother had a Queen Anne bedroom set that has been my dad's aunt's.
It had been a wedding present. It was a beautiful solid set, lovely
wood. She gave it to my sister, as wedding present. When my sister
had her house redecorated she sold it!!!! She gets no family
heirlooms, anymore! Mom still gets a sour look on her face when ever
my sister starts talking about her redecorating.
>snip a little of mother brags <g>
>>I have a T-shirt a friend gave me. It has 'Professional Mother'
>>printed on the front. I am always so proud of what they do.
>>Encouraging them is so easy to do. All it seems to take is the tools
>>and a little instruction. My Oldest boy had Home Ec this year. He
>>really wowed them in the kitchen. The other kids opened cans and
>>added water. He chopped, mixed and seasoned from scratch. I got a
>>note from the teacher asking if he could cook for her.
>
>Great, that must have made you really proud, and good for you, so many
>women teach the girls how to cook and not the boys, many men who are on
>their first flats and jobs, have no idea how to look after themselves,
>which I think is sad, they should be able to cook, wash, clean, iron,
>garden, change a plug, be able to mend simple electric systems, do a bit
>of carpentry, and sew, and anything else that is needed, so should the
>girls.
I was very proud of him. He came home all grins and I got a big hug.
15 yr old boys don't give their moms hugs to often. He really enjoyed
Home Ec. The girls in the class were always asking him to help. He
even fixed one of the sewing machines. While he was waiting for the
other kids to catch up on their sewing project he whipped up a pieced
cushion cover for the teachers chair. He had noticed it was a bit
threadbare. When I sit and sew in the evening all the children are
around me, either watching or with their own projects. I have the
baby, he's three, learning to sew. He has a piece of heavy felt and a
big needle. He happily pushes the needle and bright colored floss in
and out of it. Right after his shower he runs to me and asks for his
sewing. I sit with him for about ten minutes, that's about all a 3yr
old can stand. He jabbers and asks me if it is pretty. Then I get
lots of hugs and goodnight kisses before he goes to bed. I got stuck
at a late sale a month ago and didn't get home until late. My husband
said he wouldn't settle down until, he sat in my chair and let him sew
for a little. Small children are like that, they want a little
routine, so they know everything is right in the world.
Both my husband and I believe you need to know how to do things for
yourself. We teach our kids what we know. We have never had to make
an issue of it. The kids are all very willing to learn anything they
see us doing.
>Snip Eagle eerie
>>>
>>>You must get a photo record. and let your local wildlife people know,
>>>they will keep an eye on the nest then, and make sure that the eggs are
>>>not stolen.
>>
>>Well, someone would have to trespass on to my land to get to that
>>cliff and it about 20 ft below the edge and 5X that from the ground
>>up. I would notice it, if someone tried to get to those eggs.
>
>Well lets hope so but such eggs fetch a fortune and their is a big
>market in stolen birds eggs.
I know about that. The local game warden and I are on good terms, he
knows about the nest. He stopped by to check it out. They are Golden
Eagles.
>>
>>>>
>>>>It was the loss of a view that pushed us out of Chicago. I don't like
>>>>looking at other peoples houses. Opening my bedroom drapes to the
>>>>open garage of my neighbor's is not my idea of a view.
>>>
>>>Urk no I wouldn't like that either, mind I never close my bedroom
>>>curtains. :)
>>
>>I really don't have curtains in the bedroom. I have some lacey
>>decorations around my windows, but they don't close. I like to look
>>outside as I dress in the morning.
>
>I just like to see the light, in the morning, I hate waking up to a dark
>bedroom
I just plain hate dark rooms. I like them light and airy. However, I
have this thing for large (massive) furniture. My coffee table weighs
120lbs. (really) My waterbed can sleep four, the couch is almost 9ft
long. Once I have things arranged they stay that way.
Shez
writes
>Shez <sh...@oldcity.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>
>> Oh that is a temptation. :) and I miss you all to, especially your
>> family, that daft dog, and those crickets and tree frogs,
>> if I do some bargain hunting round the antique shops then I can get
>> enough to sell to make a profit, and be able to fund us both to motels
>> and eating out.
>> You will have to look in antique shops for me, and tell me what is
>> fetching good prices. :)
>
>Now that would be wonderful indeed! I'll start checking and if anyone
>here knows what antiques are hot here, please let us know!
That would be great.
>
>As to the daft dog, she's still with us and as daft as ever.
Oh great, she was so pretty, and so good mannered, even though I missed
my Sam, she filled in nicely, I love daft soppy dogs. (grin)
>
>
>We do now have a three legged bobtailed cat though. <sigh> He
>has cancer and lost one of his front legs.
Oh poor old thing, that can happen after a shock or accident, is he
managing OK, he seems to be loosing bits of himself, one by one,
> Raven (Brit) was fond of
>him when Raven was here and I had forgotten to tell him so, Caroline,
>if you are reading this please let him know. It's the one that got
>hit by the car just before he got here.
>
I remember and he has a short tail where they had to remove it.
give him a hug from me, and of course one for daughter, granddaughter,
dog and Yourself. :)
>
>Loki
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>>the Thames river froze so solidly they held a fair on it, and put lit
>>braziers on the ice to light the fair and warm people.
>
>Well, he was talking about an ice age a little more serious than the
>one, during QV's era. There would be greater glacial expansion and a
>lowering of the sea level. Nothing like the big ice ages, but, it
>will quite different than what is considered normal weather now.
Loki if your looking in, in ten years I am coming to live with you in
the USA, :)
I despise the cold, much as I love England I am sure I should have been
born somewhere warmer.
snip
>>You did do well, those bedsteads are worth quite a bit now to, though I
>>have noticed that stuff that costs a few pounds in this country, because
>>their is so much of it, costs a fortune in America.
>>If I ever return I shall drag Loki to an Antique shop and take a few
>>odds and ends, it should just about pay for the trip... (grin) and for
>>motel and eating out for both of us.
>
>There is a town about 75 miles south of me that has a huge antique
>store. The owners go to England and Europe and buy lots of stuff
>cheap, bring it back here clean it up and sell it for a mint. I have
>a carved washstand with bowl, pitcher, soap dish, shaving mug and a
>few other matching do-dads, my Mother-in-law gave me. She got it in
>Holland for the equivalent of 5 dollars, from a neighbor who was
>cleaning out his attic. A similar item, not as nice, at that antique
>store was $1,250. dollars! I about fainted! So load up Shez!
I will, in fact I will take it past my weight limit if I have to, their
are all sorts of stuff in junk shops and bring and buys, that you can
pick up for a couple of pounds, that would be ideal.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>>>Well it makes a change from Playboy (grin)
>>>>>
>>>>>True, But he's just ten. Give him about five years...
>>>>
>>>>Your joking, these days, (grin ) your out of touch, anything from ten to
>>>>12 they grow up fast.
>>>
>>>I don't know. He still thinks girls are icky. His oldest brother is
>>>15 and I have found one nude picture under his mattress. It was one I
>>>had been missing out of my clippings I collect, for my figure studies.
>>>At least he has good taste. It is a very lovely photo.
>>
>>They get their eventually, (grin) and your eldest is probably hiding the
>>rest, :)
>
>If he is, he's got a loose floor board he's hiding them under. His
>room is small and has darn few places to hide anything. They might be
>in his footlocker, but I have the spare key, which he gave me. We
>gave him the footlocker, so, he would have a place to put personal
>stuff. Brothers and sisters can be such snoops.
Then I will take bets they are in the footlocker and he is relying on
you not to go in their which is very flattering, but he is at the age,
when the old hormones are coursing and sex looks like a great adventure,
both mine got books on sex, and what to avoid, aids was not around then.
how to avoid it,
its no use, kidding yourself they are still innocents, they might not
have done anything yet, but you can bet your life they are thinking
about it, (chuckle)
I knew they would be embarrassed at that age to talk about it that's why
I got the book and left it in their rooms, eventually they got round to
talking about it, but teens seem to go through a very shy period for a
year or two
>
>>Snip
>
>>Oh we do the same, I bought a really expensive set of bedroom cupboards
>>in sold teak when we were married a couple of years, it cost me a
>>fortune, and the wood is beautiful,
>> When I changed my bedroom around they didn't fit, and my darling
>>daughter was up their and emptying the drawers out before I could say ,
>>yes you can have it, but she knows she either hands it down or gives it
>>back, its a classic,
>
>My mother had a Queen Anne bedroom set that has been my dad's aunt's.
>It had been a wedding present. It was a beautiful solid set, lovely
>wood. She gave it to my sister, as wedding present. When my sister
>had her house redecorated she sold it!!!! She gets no family
>heirlooms, anymore! Mom still gets a sour look on her face when ever
>my sister starts talking about her redecorating.
Oh dear, no you don't do that, I have all sorts of little things handed
on, that were family, that although I no longer want them, they get
packed away carefully for the next generation,
I do have an American black chiming clock about 1816 with an eagle on
top, the face is picked out in gold, I hate to think what that would be
worth, its my sons when he is grown, and I have a half grandfather clock
chiming alarm again the late 17th century that will be my daughters, its
all carved and with a lovely face, its been passed down through seven
generations of my family's women
>>snip a little of mother brags <g>
>
>rls.
>
>I was very proud of him. He came home all grins and I got a big hug.
>15 yr old boys don't give their moms hugs to often. He really enjoyed
>Home Ec. The girls in the class were always asking him to help. He
>even fixed one of the sewing machines. While he was waiting for the
>other kids to catch up on their sewing project he whipped up a pieced
>cushion cover for the teachers chair. He had noticed it was a bit
>threadbare. When I sit and sew in the evening all the children are
>around me, either watching or with their own projects. I have the
>baby, he's three, learning to sew. He has a piece of heavy felt and a
>big needle. He happily pushes the needle and bright colored floss in
>and out of it. Right after his shower he runs to me and asks for his
>sewing. I sit with him for about ten minutes, that's about all a 3yr
>old can stand. He jabbers and asks me if it is pretty. Then I get
>lots of hugs and goodnight kisses before he goes to bed. I got stuck
>at a late sale a month ago and didn't get home until late. My husband
>said he wouldn't settle down until, he sat in my chair and let him sew
>for a little. Small children are like that, they want a little
>routine, so they know everything is right in the world.
Yes your right, small children love routine, so do older kids, its not
until they hit 10 or 12 that they want to break the routine, I think it
gives them a sense of security, my two went to bed at a set time every
night, and on their birthdays, that went up by half an hour. for the
next year, they used to fall asleep during the half hour extra for quite
a long time, (grin)
My son who is in his late thirties, still give me a big hug, and pats me
on the head, all six foot four of him, and five foot of me, I keep
threatening, to kick him in the shins if he doesn't stop it, he is
going to wear my hair out.....:)
>
>Both my husband and I believe you need to know how to do things for
>yourself. We teach our kids what we know. We have never had to make
>an issue of it. The kids are all very willing to learn anything they
>see us doing.
Kids love learning and love exploring new things.
>
>>Snip Eagle eerie
>>>>
>>>>You must get a photo record. and let your local wildlife people know,
>>>>they will keep an eye on the nest then, and make sure that the eggs are
>>>>not stolen.
>>>
>>>Well, someone would have to trespass on to my land to get to that
>>>cliff and it about 20 ft below the edge and 5X that from the ground
>>>up. I would notice it, if someone tried to get to those eggs.
>>
>>Well lets hope so but such eggs fetch a fortune and their is a big
>>market in stolen birds eggs.
>
>I know about that. The local game warden and I are on good terms, he
>knows about the nest. He stopped by to check it out. They are Golden
>Eagles.
Oh how wonderful, my favourites, we have golden Eagles in Scotland
massive wing spans, one flew down in front of the car, when we were in
the mountains, and its wing tips brushed the car windscreen it filled
the whole windscreen then landed on a nearby branch, I don't know who
was the most suprised, us or the Eagle, I was so exited by such a close
encounter. ,
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It was the loss of a view that pushed us out of Chicago. I don't like
>>>>>looking at other peoples houses. Opening my bedroom drapes to the
>>>>>open garage of my neighbor's is not my idea of a view.
>>>>
>>>>Urk no I wouldn't like that either, mind I never close my bedroom
>>>>curtains. :)
>>>
>>>I really don't have curtains in the bedroom. I have some lacey
>>>decorations around my windows, but they don't close. I like to look
>>>outside as I dress in the morning.
>>
>>I just like to see the light, in the morning, I hate waking up to a dark
>>bedroom
>
>I just plain hate dark rooms. I like them light and airy. However, I
>have this thing for large (massive) furniture. My coffee table weighs
>120lbs. (really) My waterbed can sleep four, the couch is almost 9ft
>long. Once I have things arranged they stay that way.
You sound a bit like me, with such tall children and husband I tended to
buy on the big side, and ken made couches, over 8ft long, they can
double as single beds if needed.
>
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <370ebc92...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>
>>>Such mini ice ages are not unknown, we had one in Victorian times, and
>>>the Thames river froze so solidly they held a fair on it, and put lit
>>>braziers on the ice to light the fair and warm people.
>>
>>Well, he was talking about an ice age a little more serious than the
>>one, during QV's era. There would be greater glacial expansion and a
>>lowering of the sea level. Nothing like the big ice ages, but, it
>>will quite different than what is considered normal weather now.
>
>Loki if your looking in, in ten years I am coming to live with you in
>the USA, :)
>I despise the cold, much as I love England I am sure I should have been
>born somewhere warmer.
The Prof's son said we don't have to worry about any noticeable
changes for about 50 to 75 years from now. There will be lots of
fluctuations before the weather makes a steady trend in the cooler
directions.
>
>snip
>>
>>There is a town about 75 miles south of me that has a huge antique
>>store. The owners go to England and Europe and buy lots of stuff
>>cheap, bring it back here clean it up and sell it for a mint. I have
>>a carved washstand with bowl, pitcher, soap dish, shaving mug and a
>>few other matching do-dads, my Mother-in-law gave me. She got it in
>>Holland for the equivalent of 5 dollars, from a neighbor who was
>>cleaning out his attic. A similar item, not as nice, at that antique
>>store was $1,250. dollars! I about fainted! So load up Shez!
>
>I will, in fact I will take it past my weight limit if I have to, their
>are all sorts of stuff in junk shops and bring and buys, that you can
>pick up for a couple of pounds, that would be ideal.
Make sure you have a dealer lined up. I have found a lot of them
won't buy unless it is in lots or from a larger dealer who buys in
lots. But this is in Texas, when I had my family heirlooms appraised
for insurance, I learned a lot about the antique trade in this state.
The Guy that was doing the appraising for me just about peed his pants
when he found out the family history of my marble top dresser. He
practical begged me to sell it to him. Nope, it's mine! Mine, Mine,
Mine!! Oh, sorry. I'm a bit possessive with family stuff.
>snip some growing boy stuff<
>>>>I don't know. He still thinks girls are icky. His oldest brother is
>>>>15 and I have found one nude picture under his mattress. It was one I
>>>>had been missing out of my clippings I collect, for my figure studies.
>>>>At least he has good taste. It is a very lovely photo.
>>>
>>>They get their eventually, (grin) and your eldest is probably hiding the
>>>rest, :)
>>
>>If he is, he's got a loose floor board he's hiding them under. His
>>room is small and has darn few places to hide anything. They might be
>>in his footlocker, but I have the spare key, which he gave me. We
>>gave him the footlocker, so, he would have a place to put personal
>>stuff. Brothers and sisters can be such snoops.
>
>Then I will take bets they are in the footlocker and he is relying on
>you not to go in their which is very flattering, but he is at the age,
>when the old hormones are coursing and sex looks like a great adventure,
>both mine got books on sex, and what to avoid, aids was not around then.
>how to avoid it,
I wouldn't be surprised either. To tell the truth, if there are any
in there, I'm not going to make a fuss. That's normal boy thing. His
dad has had a guy talk with him. I have had a girl talk with my
daughter. She seems to be comfortable talking to me about it.
>its no use, kidding yourself they are still innocents, they might not
>have done anything yet, but you can bet your life they are thinking
>about it, (chuckle)
Oh, definitely they are thinking of it.
>I knew they would be embarrassed at that age to talk about it that's why
>I got the book and left it in their rooms, eventually they got round to
>talking about it, but teens seem to go through a very shy period for a
>year or two
I don't know if it is shyness. Sometimes, I think they have a hard
time believing there parents were once teenagers. It has been just
recently my daughter has started to blush when ever she sees me and
her daddy in a passionate embrace. I've asked her why. She has grown
up seeing us kiss like that. She just blushes and says, There is a
boy she would like to kiss. ( She hasn't even told him she likes him,
yet.)
>>
>>>Snip
>>
>>>Oh we do the same, I bought a really expensive set of bedroom cupboards
>>>in sold teak when we were married a couple of years, it cost me a
>>>fortune, and the wood is beautiful,
>>> When I changed my bedroom around they didn't fit, and my darling
>>>daughter was up their and emptying the drawers out before I could say ,
>>>yes you can have it, but she knows she either hands it down or gives it
>>>back, its a classic,
>>
>>My mother had a Queen Anne bedroom set that has been my dad's aunt's.
>>It had been a wedding present. It was a beautiful solid set, lovely
>>wood. She gave it to my sister, as wedding present. When my sister
>>had her house redecorated she sold it!!!! She gets no family
>>heirlooms, anymore! Mom still gets a sour look on her face when ever
>>my sister starts talking about her redecorating.
>
>Oh dear, no you don't do that, I have all sorts of little things handed
>on, that were family, that although I no longer want them, they get
>packed away carefully for the next generation,
>I do have an American black chiming clock about 1816 with an eagle on
>top, the face is picked out in gold, I hate to think what that would be
>worth, its my sons when he is grown, and I have a half grandfather clock
>chiming alarm again the late 17th century that will be my daughters, its
>all carved and with a lovely face, its been passed down through seven
>generations of my family's women
Why does it seem it is mostly the women of the family that hand down
the goodies? I know some men do care about it but they leave it up to
the women.
We keep regular bed times for the three youngest. They can't last
past an hour beyond usual bedtime. The two oldest we are more
flexible with. Still, they will not stay up much past school day
bedtime. 10:00.
>My son who is in his late thirties, still give me a big hug, and pats me
>on the head, all six foot four of him, and five foot of me, I keep
>threatening, to kick him in the shins if he doesn't stop it, he is
>going to wear my hair out.....:)
Even though I am 5ft 6in my 15 yr old is already a couple inches
taller. My daughter is the same hight as me and she will be 13 in a
couple months. Looks like I'm going to be the 'little mother'.
>>
>>Both my husband and I believe you need to know how to do things for
>>yourself. We teach our kids what we know. We have never had to make
>>an issue of it. The kids are all very willing to learn anything they
>>see us doing.
>Kids love learning and love exploring new things.
My kids seem to think, if we know how to do it, they should too.
>>
>>>Snip Eagle eerie
>>>Well lets hope so but such eggs fetch a fortune and their is a big
>>>market in stolen birds eggs.
>>
>>I know about that. The local game warden and I are on good terms, he
>>knows about the nest. He stopped by to check it out. They are Golden
>>Eagles.
>Oh how wonderful, my favourites, we have golden Eagles in Scotland
>massive wing spans, one flew down in front of the car, when we were in
>the mountains, and its wing tips brushed the car windscreen it filled
>the whole windscreen then landed on a nearby branch, I don't know who
>was the most suprised, us or the Eagle, I was so exited by such a close
>encounter. ,
There are lots of different hawks here too. We also have Turkey
Buzzards, (Vultures). They have larger wingspans than the eagles.
Last year a buzzard flew in front of my truck. I think it was going
for a carcass at the side of the road. I had to get the grill
repaired. That bugger had an 8ft wing span. Dang big bird!
loki
> Oh poor old thing, that can happen after a shock or accident, is he
> managing OK, he seems to be loosing bits of himself, one by one,
He seems to be doing fine after hiding the first couple of weeks.
He expected to be rejected (and the other cat did hiss at him at
first) but we've been petting him and generally giving him all the
affection he wants (and it is a LOT right now) and he's doing better.
As far as getting around goes, he's been up and down the stairs
to my daughter's room a dozen times a day sometimes! He
jumps up on the back of my office chair just like he used to!
Yes, he does seem to be losing bits of himself and I'm trying
to figure that out. <sigh>
Loki
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Loki if your looking in, in ten years I am coming to live with you in
>>the USA, :)
>>I despise the cold, much as I love England I am sure I should have been
>>born somewhere warmer.
>
>The Prof's son said we don't have to worry about any noticeable
>changes for about 50 to 75 years from now. There will be lots of
>fluctuations before the weather makes a steady trend in the cooler
Who.... Loki will be relieved (grin )
>directions.
>
>>
>>snip
>>>
>>>I will, in fact I will take it past my weight limit if I have to, their
>>are all sorts of stuff in junk shops and bring and buys, that you can
>>pick up for a couple of pounds, that would be ideal.
>
>Make sure you have a dealer lined up. I have found a lot of them
>won't buy unless it is in lots or from a larger dealer who buys in
>lots. But this is in Texas, when I had my family heirlooms appraised
>for insurance, I learned a lot about the antique trade in this state.
>The Guy that was doing the appraising for me just about peed his pants
>when he found out the family history of my marble top dresser. He
>practical begged me to sell it to him. Nope, it's mine! Mine, Mine,
>Mine!! Oh, sorry. I'm a bit possessive with family stuff.
Well I don't really know how to set a dealer up, but I can get a fair
amount of light stuff over, though not a marble topped wash stand.
> >>
>>>If he is, he's got a loose floor board he's hiding them under. His
>>>room is small and has darn few places to hide anything. They might be
>>>in his footlocker, but I have the spare key, which he gave me. We
>>>gave him the footlocker, so, he would have a place to put personal
>>>stuff. Brothers and sisters can be such snoops.
>>
>>Then I will take bets they are in the footlocker and he is relying on
>>you not to go in their which is very flattering, but he is at the age,
>>when the old hormones are coursing and sex looks like a great adventure,
>>both mine got books on sex, and what to avoid, aids was not around then.
>>how to avoid it,
>
>I wouldn't be surprised either. To tell the truth, if there are any
>in there, I'm not going to make a fuss. That's normal boy thing. His
>dad has had a guy talk with him. I have had a girl talk with my
>daughter. She seems to be comfortable talking to me about it.
That is the best way, mine asked questions from when they were small,
when I offered to have a talk with my daughter, I was told what for, I
have always known about it, (how do you tell a teenage daughter that the
only reason she knows about it, is because mum told her when she asked.
:)
>
>>its no use, kidding yourself they are still innocents, they might not
>>have done anything yet, but you can bet your life they are thinking
>>about it, (chuckle)
>
>Oh, definitely they are thinking of it.
>
>>I knew they would be embarrassed at that age to talk about it that's why
>>I got the book and left it in their rooms, eventually they got round to
>>talking about it, but teens seem to go through a very shy period for a
>>year or two
>
>I don't know if it is shyness. Sometimes, I think they have a hard
>time believing there parents were once teenagers.
They have an even harder time believing their parents have sex. I
remember in school, someone saying if you have to "do it " to get a a
baby that means my parents did it five times, Yuk.....
>It has been just
>recently my daughter has started to blush when ever she sees me and
>her daddy in a passionate embrace. I've asked her why. She has grown
>up seeing us kiss like that. She just blushes and says, There is a
>boy she would like to kiss. ( She hasn't even told him she likes him,
>yet.)
>
Plus she is feeling embarrassed. they do.
snip
> When I sit and sew in the evening all the children are
>>>around me, either watching or with their own projects. I have the
>>>baby, he's three, learning to sew. He has a piece of heavy felt and a
>>>big needle. He happily pushes the needle and bright colored floss in
>>>and out of it. Right after his shower he runs to me and asks for his
>>>sewing. I sit with him for about ten minutes, that's about all a 3yr
>>>old can stand. He jabbers and asks me if it is pretty. Then I get
>>>lots of hugs and goodnight kisses before he goes to bed. I got stuck
>>>at a late sale a month ago and didn't get home until late. My husband
>>>said he wouldn't settle down until, he sat in my chair and let him sew
>>>for a little. Small children are like that, they want a little
>>>routine, so they know everything is right in the world.
>>
>>Yes your right, small children love routine, so do older kids, its not
>>until they hit 10 or 12 that they want to break the routine, I think it
>>gives them a sense of security, my two went to bed at a set time every
>>night, and on their birthdays, that went up by half an hour. for the
>>next year, they used to fall asleep during the half hour extra for quite
>>a long time, (grin)
>
>We keep regular bed times for the three youngest. They can't last
>past an hour beyond usual bedtime. The two oldest we are more
>flexible with. Still, they will not stay up much past school day
>bedtime. 10:00.
Its a healthy way of giving them a routine, and they get enough sleep,
plus their is the added benefit of having some time to yourself and your
partner :)
>
>>My son who is in his late thirties, still give me a big hug, and pats me
>>on the head, all six foot four of him, and five foot of me, I keep
>>threatening, to kick him in the shins if he doesn't stop it, he is
>>going to wear my hair out.....:)
>
>Even though I am 5ft 6in my 15 yr old is already a couple inches
>taller. My daughter is the same hight as me and she will be 13 in a
>couple months. Looks like I'm going to be the 'little mother'.
He.he. you will get used to it, but put a stop to head patting, its very
hard to break them of it in their thirties. (chuckle)
snip
>My kids seem to think, if we know how to do it, they should too.
And that's true.
>>>--
>>>ZM*
>>>
>>>"love dem lil" mousies
>>>mousies whats I loves to eats
>>>bites dey lil" heads off
>>>nibble on dey tiny feets"
>>> -Kilban
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
loki
> >>Loki if your looking in, in ten years I am coming to live with you in
> >>the USA, :)
> >>I despise the cold, much as I love England I am sure I should have been
> >>born somewhere warmer.
> >
> >The Prof's son said we don't have to worry about any noticeable
> >changes for about 50 to 75 years from now. There will be lots of
> >fluctuations before the weather makes a steady trend in the cooler
>
> Who.... Loki will be relieved (grin )
Am not. <laugh> We were looking forward to it. You got adopted
here you know...
Loki
Shez
writes
>> managing OK, he seems to be loosing bits of himself, one by one,
>
>He seems to be doing fine after hiding the first couple of weeks.
>He expected to be rejected (and the other cat did hiss at him at
>first) but we've been petting him and generally giving him all the
>affection he wants (and it is a LOT right now) and he's doing better.
Animals know they are not going to be accepted by their own, if they are
away long or injured. but the other cat will accept him
>
>As far as getting around goes, he's been up and down the stairs
>to my daughter's room a dozen times a day sometimes! He
>jumps up on the back of my office chair just like he used to!
Well sounds like he is well on the mend,
>
>Yes, he does seem to be losing bits of himself and I'm trying
>to figure that out. <sigh>
perhaps he is trying to use up all of his nine lives in a hurry. but I
hope he will be well now.
>
>Loki
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <37113175...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>snip weather<
>Well I don't really know how to set a dealer up, but I can get a fair
>amount of light stuff over, though not a marble topped wash stand.
That sure would give your suitcase a funny shape. <g> Check with
Loki, she can check things out with a dealer in her area and probably
find out what they are interested in.
>snip the boy's footlocker<
>>I don't know if it is shyness. Sometimes, I think they have a hard
>>time believing there parents were once teenagers.
>
>They have an even harder time believing their parents have sex. I
>remember in school, someone saying if you have to "do it " to get a a
>baby that means my parents did it five times, Yuk.....
Funny, isn't it. For some reason there seems to be this idea that
only young people have sex. Though, I myself didn't have that
reaction about my parents and sex. My parents didn't hide their
sexual attraction for each other. I grew up knowing it was part of
marriage. My kids are growing up knowing, their parents desire each
other. It seems more healthy that way.
>
>>It has been just
>>recently my daughter has started to blush when ever she sees me and
>>her daddy in a passionate embrace. I've asked her why. She has grown
>>up seeing us kiss like that. She just blushes and says, There is a
>>boy she would like to kiss. ( She hasn't even told him she likes him,
>>yet.)
>>
>Plus she is feeling embarrassed. they do.
Oh, yes. The embarrassment is also, that she is just now having
sexual feelings. It is new and she is trying to put them in some sort
of perspective, concerning herself.
>snip
>
>
>>
>>We keep regular bed times for the three youngest. They can't last
>>past an hour beyond usual bedtime. The two oldest we are more
>>flexible with. Still, they will not stay up much past school day
>>bedtime. 10:00.
>
>Its a healthy way of giving them a routine, and they get enough sleep,
>plus their is the added benefit of having some time to yourself and your
>partner :)
A couple hours in the evening, of just the two of us is nice. We can
be just a couple in love.
>>
>>>My son who is in his late thirties, still give me a big hug, and pats me
>>>on the head, all six foot four of him, and five foot of me, I keep
>>>threatening, to kick him in the shins if he doesn't stop it, he is
>>>going to wear my hair out.....:)
>>
>>Even though I am 5ft 6in my 15 yr old is already a couple inches
>>taller. My daughter is the same hight as me and she will be 13 in a
>>couple months. Looks like I'm going to be the 'little mother'.
>
>He.he. you will get used to it, but put a stop to head patting, its very
>hard to break them of it in their thirties. (chuckle)
My mother is close to the same hight as you. We are all taller, my
brother pats her head too. I don't think there is going to be any
avoiding it. ;-P
>
>snip
>>My kids seem to think, if we know how to do it, they should too.
>
>And that's true.
We encourage it. It makes for a closer family, I think.
Shez
>> >>Loki if your looking in, in ten years I am coming to live with you in
>> >>the USA, :)
>> >>I despise the cold, much as I love England I am sure I should have been
>> >>born somewhere warmer.
>> >
>> >The Prof's son said we don't have to worry about any noticeable
>> >changes for about 50 to 75 years from now. There will be lots of
>> >fluctuations before the weather makes a steady trend in the cooler
>>
>> Who.... Loki will be relieved (grin )
>
>here you know...
I know, I felt so at home with all of you. and so comfortable, and you
didn't mind if I fell asleep on the patio, (grin)
you have a Lovely family so I am very honoured they were kind enough to
put up with this strange and rather dotty English lady...:)
>
>Loki
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <37113175...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>
>
>>Well I don't really know how to set a dealer up, but I can get a fair
>>amount of light stuff over, though not a marble topped wash stand.
>
>Loki, she can check things out with a dealer in her area and probably
>find out what they are interested in.
that's what I was thinking.
>
>>snip the boy's footlocker<
>
>>>I don't know if it is shyness. Sometimes, I think they have a hard
>>>time believing there parents were once teenagers.
>>
>>They have an even harder time believing their parents have sex. I
>>remember in school, someone saying if you have to "do it " to get a a
>>baby that means my parents did it five times, Yuk.....
>
>Funny, isn't it. For some reason there seems to be this idea that
>only young people have sex. Though, I myself didn't have that
>reaction about my parents and sex. My parents didn't hide their
>sexual attraction for each other. I grew up knowing it was part of
>marriage. My kids are growing up knowing, their parents desire each
>other. It seems more healthy that way.
It is more healthy my children were the same, but when I was a girl, sex
was not talked about openly, children at my school still thought you
could get a baby just by kissing....
it really was a whole other world. I think the idea was if they didn't
know they wouldn't do it, but it doesn't work that way. I knew, but I
didn't get pregnant, many of them did.
>
>>
>>>It has been just
>>>recently my daughter has started to blush when ever she sees me and
>>>her daddy in a passionate embrace. I've asked her why. She has grown
>>>up seeing us kiss like that. She just blushes and says, There is a
>>>boy she would like to kiss. ( She hasn't even told him she likes him,
>>>yet.)
>>>
>>Plus she is feeling embarrassed. they do.
>
>Oh, yes. The embarrassment is also, that she is just now having
>sexual feelings. It is new and she is trying to put them in some sort
>of perspective, concerning herself.
Once she comes through that stage, and the bit where everything stop
changing, breasts, pubic hair and hormones she will be fine again.
>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>>
>>>We keep regular bed times for the three youngest. They can't last
>>>past an hour beyond usual bedtime. The two oldest we are more
>>>flexible with. Still, they will not stay up much past school day
>>>bedtime. 10:00.
>>
>>Its a healthy way of giving them a routine, and they get enough sleep,
>>plus their is the added benefit of having some time to yourself and your
>>partner :)
>
>A couple hours in the evening, of just the two of us is nice. We can
>be just a couple in love.
I often thought that few hours was what kept us together and happy, and
it gave us the chance to discuss things.
>
>>>
>>>>My son who is in his late thirties, still give me a big hug, and pats me
>>>>on the head, all six foot four of him, and five foot of me, I keep
>>>>threatening, to kick him in the shins if he doesn't stop it, he is
>>>>going to wear my hair out.....:)
>>>
>>>Even though I am 5ft 6in my 15 yr old is already a couple inches
>>>taller. My daughter is the same hight as me and she will be 13 in a
>>>couple months. Looks like I'm going to be the 'little mother'.
>>
>>He.he. you will get used to it, but put a stop to head patting, its very
>>hard to break them of it in their thirties. (chuckle)
>
>My mother is close to the same hight as you. We are all taller, my
>brother pats her head too. I don't think there is going to be any
>avoiding it. ;-P
>
Try and avoid it, (grin ) you could end up with a bald spot otherwise,
:)
>>
>>snip
>>>My kids seem to think, if we know how to do it, they should too.
>>
>>And that's true.
>
>We encourage it. It makes for a closer family, I think.
Yes.
loki
> In article Zephera MorningStar <zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
> >That sure would give your suitcase a funny shape. <g> Check with
> >Loki, she can check things out with a dealer in her area and probably
> >find out what they are interested in.
>
> that's what I was thinking.
Ok, I'll start checking.
Loki
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <37179250...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>>>In article <37113175...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>
>>>snip weather<
>snip suitcase<
>>>snip the boy's footlocker<
>>
>
>It is more healthy my children were the same, but when I was a girl, sex
>was not talked about openly, children at my school still thought you
>could get a baby just by kissing....
>it really was a whole other world. I think the idea was if they didn't
>know they wouldn't do it, but it doesn't work that way. I knew, but I
>didn't get pregnant, many of them did.
My mom told me she went into marriage completely ignorant. I mean
completely! Her older sister told her, she would get pregnant if she
open mouth kissed. Shock is a mild word for what she felt on the
wedding night. She was beyond grateful my dad was a patient and
gentle man. She did not want her daughters to go through that. I
grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
children. My mother-in-law is one of those don't talk about it types.
She gave us a real fussing when she called one afternoon. One of the
kids answered. when she asked if she could talk to one of us she was
told matter-of-factly, we were having sex and would call back later.
She started giving her son a lecture as soon as he called back. She
is convinced our children are going to grow up into sex maniacs. My
husband and I are also nudist. (only at home) Even though are two
oldest are going through that awkward stage, there is no embarrassment
about nakedness. My parents were nudest too. The sight of a naked
man does not cause me to blush and giggle. It is just skin and
everybody has a body. I thought some of my less informed friend's
reactions were very silly.
>>
>>>snip
>
>I often thought that few hours was what kept us together and happy, and
>it gave us the chance to discuss things.
I have a younger girlfriend. When she divorced her husband she came
to live with us. She had no where else to go. At first she thought
it was strange, we spent our evenings talking. We would watch a movie
now and again, but most times we just talked. Our topics of
conversation baffled her too. Also, we have a conversational short
hand. Because we have many of the same interest and read the same
books etc. We can convey a very involved thought, using the title of
a book, or a phrase out of a book. She says it seems like we can read
each others minds.
>>
>snip head patting ;-) <
Shez
writes
Thanks love, if we can get some stuff over that doesn't weigh a ton, and
will bring a really good price, then are laughing. (grin )
>
>Loki
Saki
Zephera MorningStar wrote:
> <snip>
> I grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
> a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
> children.
My parents bought us cartoon books. Imagine, an introduction to sex that
involved oddly drawn fat people. I'm scarred for life, I know it.
> My mother-in-law is one of those don't talk about it types.
> She gave us a real fussing when she called one afternoon. One of the
> kids answered. when she asked if she could talk to one of us she was
> told matter-of-factly, we were having sex and would call back later.
> She started giving her son a lecture as soon as he called back. She
> is convinced our children are going to grow up into sex maniacs.
We can always hope. Sex mania is a good thing, with the standard
disclaimers.
> <snip>Our topics of
> conversation baffled her too. Also, we have a conversational short
> hand. Because we have many of the same interest and read the same
> books etc. We can convey a very involved thought, using the title of
> a book, or a phrase out of a book. She says it seems like we can read
> each others minds.
I have something similar with my best bud. He and I actually tried to write
down a dictionary of our language. Problem is, some of it is body language,
and other parts just don't have letters.
<snip>
Zephera MorningStar
>
>
>Zephera MorningStar wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>> I grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
>> a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
>> children.
>
>My parents bought us cartoon books. Imagine, an introduction to sex that
>involved oddly drawn fat people. I'm scarred for life, I know it.
It happens to the best of us! I won't tell you why I had an
uncontrollable case of the giggles, the first time I saw my husband
naked. But lets just say, we had just finished watching 'The Hobbit'.
Now, that's a movie I recommend for a pre first time sex evening!!!!!
>
>> My mother-in-law is one of those don't talk about it types.
>> She gave us a real fussing when she called one afternoon. One of the
>> kids answered. when she asked if she could talk to one of us she was
>> told matter-of-factly, we were having sex and would call back later.
>> She started giving her son a lecture as soon as he called back. She
>> is convinced our children are going to grow up into sex maniacs.
>
>We can always hope. Sex mania is a good thing, with the standard
>disclaimers.
I does keep a smile on your face and this relaxed feeling all over.
Mum-in-law fussed other day, that the reason we have five children is
because we are sex maniacs. I had to inform her that we have had sex
more than five times.
>
>> <snip>Our topics of
>> conversation baffled her too. Also, we have a conversational short
>> hand. Because we have many of the same interest and read the same
>> books etc. We can convey a very involved thought, using the title of
>> a book, or a phrase out of a book. She says it seems like we can read
>> each others minds.
>
>I have something similar with my best bud. He and I actually tried to write
>down a dictionary of our language. Problem is, some of it is body language,
>and other parts just don't have letters.
><snip>
Our friend who lived with us, wanted to have explanations for some of
our language. We pointed to our library. She was able to understand
some of the stuff that is movie related. She thought she understood
most of the Star Trek references. However, she still is confused by
our 'Warf' exchanges, and she just barely understands our 'Spock'.
Warf and Spock have to do with aggression and logic, but she has a
hard time seeing how a lot of it applies to our conversations. What
really gets her is our Cat Talk. Each of us picks up a cat and
wiggles a part of the cat. It is so much fun being weird. Making a
cat pat his tummy means "Would you like a snack?" If the other
person flops their cats ears. "Yes, that sounds good." Put front
paws together means. "Would you like a sandwich?" Flop ears "Yes"
Cover ears "No" Clap paws together means "Potato chips" Cover cat's
mouth with paw means "Candy". Don't ask me how the cat thing got
started, it just sort of developed over the years.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <37179250...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>Shez wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <37113175...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>
>>snip suitcase<
>>>>snip the boy's footlocker<
>>>
>>
>>It is more healthy my children were the same, but when I was a girl, sex
>>was not talked about openly, children at my school still thought you
>>could get a baby just by kissing....
>>it really was a whole other world. I think the idea was if they didn't
>>know they wouldn't do it, but it doesn't work that way. I knew, but I
>>didn't get pregnant, many of them did.
>
>My mom told me she went into marriage completely ignorant. I mean
>completely!
that was pretty normal them, Most of the girls I went to school with
thought they were haemorrhaging when they had their first periods, I
used to take them up to the teacher for an explanation, I knew about
periods, baby's and sex, but it didn't do to let others know, you knew,
you would get a bad reputation just knowing. never mind doing.
> Her older sister told her, she would get pregnant if she
>open mouth kissed.
(chuckle) your mum was not alone.
> Shock is a mild word for what she felt on the
>wedding night. She was beyond grateful my dad was a patient and
>gentle man.
She was lucky. I knew what was happening to my body, and sex held no
suprises for me, but for some of the those, girls sex would always be
dirty, something you only did because you wanted children, one of the
worst things that Christianity did was to make women feel dirty about
their own sexuality. and their own sexual needs.
> She did not want her daughters to go through that. I
>grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
>a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
>children. My mother-in-law is one of those don't talk about it types.
>She gave us a real fussing when she called one afternoon. One of the
>kids answered. when she asked if she could talk to one of us she was
>told matter-of-factly, we were having sex and would call back later.
>She started giving her son a lecture as soon as he called back. She
>is convinced our children are going to grow up into sex maniacs. My
>husband and I are also nudist. (only at home) Even though are two
>oldest are going through that awkward stage, there is no embarrassment
>about nakedness. My parents were nudest too. The sight of a naked
>man does not cause me to blush and giggle. It is just skin and
>everybody has a body. I thought some of my less informed friend's
>reactions were very silly.
They can be, we walk about with nothing on also, but while the children
went through their adolescence it was obvious they were embarrassed
about the changes in their body's, even if they knew what was happening,
so we tended to put a towel or for two or three years, until they had
got over that stage.
>
>>>
>>>>snip
>>
>>I often thought that few hours was what kept us together and happy, and
>>it gave us the chance to discuss things.
>
>I have a younger girlfriend. When she divorced her husband she came
>to live with us. She had no where else to go. At first she thought
>it was strange, we spent our evenings talking. We would watch a movie
>now and again, but most times we just talked. Our topics of
>conversation baffled her too. Also, we have a conversational short
>hand. Because we have many of the same interest and read the same
>books etc. We can convey a very involved thought, using the title of
>a book, or a phrase out of a book. She says it seems like we can read
>each others minds.
(chuckle ) I know that feeling, their is an advert on tv. where a middle
aged Mum and dad, with the kids grown up at last, look at each other and
say, "Remember Gillford ?" and you know exactly what they are talking
about, just from the looks on their faces, Gillford by the way is one of
the most unromantic places you can think of, perhaps like saying
remember the Bronx ?
>
>>>
>>snip head patting ;-) <
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <371301a1...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>>>In article <37179250...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>Shez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <37113175...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>>
>>>>>snip weather<
>>>snip suitcase<
>>>>>snip the boy's footlocker<
>>>>
>>>
>>>It is more healthy my children were the same, but when I was a girl, sex
>>>was not talked about openly, children at my school still thought you
>>>could get a baby just by kissing....
>>>it really was a whole other world. I think the idea was if they didn't
>>>know they wouldn't do it, but it doesn't work that way. I knew, but I
>>>didn't get pregnant, many of them did.
>>
>>My mom told me she went into marriage completely ignorant. I mean
>>completely!
>
>that was pretty normal them, Most of the girls I went to school with
>thought they were haemorrhaging when they had their first periods, I
>used to take them up to the teacher for an explanation, I knew about
>periods, baby's and sex, but it didn't do to let others know, you knew,
>you would get a bad reputation just knowing. never mind doing.
When I went to high school, it was a rare thing for a girl to be
pregnant. Usually if a girl did do the unspeakable, she got married
right away or she moved. I knew one girl who was the innocent type.
Sweet, quiet, good student, she hid her pregnancy for a long time.
Once it was known, Wham out the school doors she went. The boy who
got her pregnant was a nice boy and also a good student. He got to
stay in school. His mother was a real loony. When she found out her
son's girlfriend was pregnant, he wasn't aloud to speak her name, talk
to her, no contact what so ever. In her mind the girl was a dirty
slut and had soiled her perfect son. It really bunched her knickers
when they got married when he turned 18 and graduated. Seems he had
been defying her, had been seeing his girlfriend and the baby anyway.
I was thought of as a 'wild' student. I wore colorful
(understatement) clothes, drove a beefed up car, was not shy about
playing loud Rock and Roll when I drove into or left the school
parking lot and had lots of guy friends. More than once I was called
into the Girl's Counselors office. She tried to talk to me about the
need for me to be conformative. I was dating a guy in the Navy at the
time, so I also think she thought it was possible I was sexually
active. In her opinion Navy Guys didn't date nice girls. Also, if I
was dating this sailor, why was I hanging around with all these other
boys? The last time I got called into her office was in my senior
year. It was spring, I was with my friends at the burger stand next
to the High School at lunch. We were sitting in the parking lot, it
was a warm day and I had my tape deck turned up loud. Me and some of
my friends were dancing to the music. I got called into the office,
she said I had put on a lewd display, unbecoming of a young lady of
the school. She told me I would come to a sorry end, if I didn't
become more serious about my reputation. Oh, well, so much for those
days of youth. ;-) I look back and can say, Wow that was fun.
I guess what I am saying is, I knew the facts. I didn't have to guess
about it. This gave me more freedom. I knew about the consequences
of my actions. Thus the responsibility was mine. My parents also
trusted me, because They had given me the knowledge I needed to make a
responsible decision. I guess, I proved them right. I didn't get
pregnant until I was well married.
>
>> Her older sister told her, she would get pregnant if she
>>open mouth kissed.
>
>(chuckle) your mum was not alone.
No, she wasn't. I was still shocked when one of my girlfriends said
that to me. She was worried that I was in for trouble when she saw me
and one of my boyfriends kissing like that. It was her mother who had
told her that too. I thought that was a terrible thing to for a
mother to do to her daughter.
>
>> Shock is a mild word for what she felt on the
>>wedding night. She was beyond grateful my dad was a patient and
>>gentle man.
>
>She was lucky. I knew what was happening to my body, and sex held no
>suprises for me, but for some of the those, girls sex would always be
>dirty, something you only did because you wanted children, one of the
>worst things that Christianity did was to make women feel dirty about
>their own sexuality. and their own sexual needs.
I came up against that several times, when I was young and dating. It
really pissed me off. One guy got real bent out of shape because I
had enjoyed sex! He had actually told me I was suppose to just lay
there and submit! Well, I told him he was a F***ed up pervert and
walked out the door. I can find someone who can enjoy my enthusiasm.
>snip<
>
>They can be, we walk about with nothing on also, but while the children
>went through their adolescence it was obvious they were embarrassed
>about the changes in their body's, even if they knew what was happening,
>so we tended to put a towel or for two or three years, until they had
>got over that stage.
Yes, you have to be sensitive.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>snip
>>>
>>>I often thought that few hours was what kept us together and happy, and
>>>it gave us the chance to discuss things.
>>
>>I have a younger girlfriend. When she divorced her husband she came
>>to live with us. She had no where else to go. At first she thought
>>it was strange, we spent our evenings talking. We would watch a movie
>>now and again, but most times we just talked. Our topics of
>>conversation baffled her too. Also, we have a conversational short
>>hand. Because we have many of the same interest and read the same
>>books etc. We can convey a very involved thought, using the title of
>>a book, or a phrase out of a book. She says it seems like we can read
>>each others minds.
>
>(chuckle ) I know that feeling, their is an advert on tv. where a middle
>aged Mum and dad, with the kids grown up at last, look at each other and
>say, "Remember Gillford ?" and you know exactly what they are talking
>about, just from the looks on their faces, Gillford by the way is one of
>the most unromantic places you can think of, perhaps like saying
>remember the Bronx ?
Ah, every place has its golden moments. I can look at my Hubby and
say Zion Beach. It is right next to the Nuclear Power plant. Not a
romantic spot, rather ugly, for a beach that's bad. But for us it
brings a smile. It was there, we discovered we really cared about
each other. No kissing or anything like that, we were at a party with
a lot of friends. But, we learned that night we cared for each other.
So We can say Zion beach and smile like idiots at each other.
Spyder
>
> My mom told me she went into marriage completely ignorant. I mean
> open mouth kissed. Shock is a mild word for what she felt on the
> wedding night. She was beyond grateful my dad was a patient and
> gentle man.
My father's grandmother claimed the same. It was not until my father
started tracing the family tree that we realised she must have had
a 5 month pregnancy if that was the case. I suppose it explained
why she was written out of the will.
> She did not want her daughters to go through that. I
> grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
> a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
> children. My mother-in-law is one of those don't talk about it types.
> She gave us a real fussing when she called one afternoon. One of the
> kids answered. when she asked if she could talk to one of us she was
> told matter-of-factly, we were having sex and would call back later.
My parents are reasonably open minded. They felt that if you were old
enough to ask the question, you were old enough to hear an answer. I must
admit, my first bit of 'sex' education involved a demonstration by one of
my class mates at primary school with a fork and a ring donut. I don't
think it harmed me......... much.
My mother's family are very prudish, and to be honest, a little intolerant.
My grandmother disproved of my father completely, cause he had a beard and
went into coffee shops, and wasn't the right type of person to be seeing
their daughter. My mother was surprised to be given an earful about pre-
marital sex, since as far as she new, her mother didn't know they were
'at it', as it were (They kept the engagement a secret for 3 months).
Any ways it turns out my dearest gran had unpicked the seam of my mother's
locked diary. I dread to think what the old woman makes of common
practices.
My own parents are trying to be more understanding. Whilst I'm at university
I keep getting poorly masked questions. "How are you getting on with that
girl?" "You are being careful now, arn't you?" so on and so forth.
They mean well, and whilst they don't fully understand what's happening in
my life, they are kind enough to support me in my own choices.
--
Zephera MorningStar
>Zephera MorningStar wrote:
>>
>> My mom told me she went into marriage completely ignorant. I mean
>> completely! Her older sister told her, she would get pregnant if she
>> open mouth kissed. Shock is a mild word for what she felt on the
>> wedding night. She was beyond grateful my dad was a patient and
>> gentle man.
>
>My father's grandmother claimed the same. It was not until my father
>started tracing the family tree that we realised she must have had
>a 5 month pregnancy if that was the case. I suppose it explained
>why she was written out of the will.
Well, little things like that do happen.
>
>> She did not want her daughters to go through that. I
>> grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
>> a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
>> children. My mother-in-law is one of those don't talk about it types.
>> She gave us a real fussing when she called one afternoon. One of the
>> kids answered. when she asked if she could talk to one of us she was
>> told matter-of-factly, we were having sex and would call back later.
>
>My parents are reasonably open minded. They felt that if you were old
>enough to ask the question, you were old enough to hear an answer. I must
>admit, my first bit of 'sex' education involved a demonstration by one of
>my class mates at primary school with a fork and a ring donut. I don't
>think it harmed me......... much.
I bet, When someone says. "Would you like to have a donut?" A
strange smile lights your face.
>
>My mother's family are very prudish, and to be honest, a little intolerant.
>My grandmother disproved of my father completely, cause he had a beard and
>went into coffee shops, and wasn't the right type of person to be seeing
>their daughter. My mother was surprised to be given an earful about pre-
>marital sex, since as far as she new, her mother didn't know they were
>'at it', as it were (They kept the engagement a secret for 3 months).
>Any ways it turns out my dearest gran had unpicked the seam of my mother's
>locked diary. I dread to think what the old woman makes of common
>practices.
Thank goodness I never wrote in a diary. As understanding as my
mother was, she didn't need the details. She did find my "Shadow
Book" But I've always written that in my personal script. She
thought that was my diary. Some mothers just have a strange idea of
what is right when it comes to their children's personal lives.
>My own parents are trying to be more understanding. Whilst I'm at university
>I keep getting poorly masked questions. "How are you getting on with that
>girl?" "You are being careful now, arn't you?" so on and so forth.
When I turned 18 and my mom asked if I was 'careful', I smiled and
said "Yes, I haven't fallen from the chandelier, yet." She stopped
asking.
>
>They mean well, and whilst they don't fully understand what's happening in
>my life, they are kind enough to support me in my own choices.
That's about the best you can ask for. My parents accept my life.
They don't always agree, but they realize I have to do it my way. My
in-laws, they are less tolerant and try to interfere in what they
don't approve of. I do my best to keep the strife to a minimum. It
is often not easy.
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
Snip
>Shez wrote:
>>>>It is more healthy my children were the same, but when I was a girl, sex
>>>>was not talked about openly, children at my school still thought you
>>>>could get a baby just by kissing....
>>>>it really was a whole other world. I think the idea was if they didn't
>>>>know they wouldn't do it, but it doesn't work that way. I knew, but I
>>>>didn't get pregnant, many of them did.
>>>
>>>My mom told me she went into marriage completely ignorant. I mean
>>>completely!
>>
>>that was pretty normal them, Most of the girls I went to school with
>>thought they were haemorrhaging when they had their first periods, I
>>used to take them up to the teacher for an explanation, I knew about
>>periods, baby's and sex, but it didn't do to let others know, you knew,
>>you would get a bad reputation just knowing. never mind doing.
>
>When I went to high school, it was a rare thing for a girl to be
>pregnant. Usually if a girl did do the unspeakable, she got married
>right away or she moved.
Yeh or she ended up sometimes in a mental hospital simply for being
pregnant She was looked upon as mentally degenerate,
in Ireland they sent them to church unmarried mothers homes, their child
would be taken when it was born, and the girls were put into a laundry
to wash and clean the clothes of the nuns and priests, as a punishment,
sometimes for years,
It was basically a jail, the children would be brought up in an
orphanage only a few hundred yards away, but the mothers and children
were never allowed to meet, they didn't even know who their children
were, it was incredibly cruel. they were called the Magdelene Laundry's,
and even girls who had been raped, were put their as if it were their
fault they were raped.
They were often abused again, by priests. and even nuns, the truth has
only been coming out in the last years, and the Laundry's were not
closed until a few years ago,
Some of those girls, now middle aged or old women, are taking the
Catholic church to court, I hope they win millions, they deserve it.
The children were treated as sinners, because they were bastards, and
their life was terrible.
> I knew one girl who was the innocent type.
>Sweet, quiet, good student, she hid her pregnancy for a long time.
>Once it was known, Wham out the school doors she went. The boy who
>got her pregnant was a nice boy and also a good student. He got to
>stay in school. His mother was a real loony. When she found out her
>son's girlfriend was pregnant, he wasn't aloud to speak her name, talk
>to her, no contact what so ever. In her mind the girl was a dirty
>slut and had soiled her perfect son. It really bunched her knickers
>when they got married when he turned 18 and graduated. Seems he had
>been defying her, had been seeing his girlfriend and the baby anyway.
Good for him, his mother sounds like the possessive type, no doubt she
will still try to make trouble, I suppose she claimed that the girl
seduced him. :)
>
>I was thought of as a 'wild' student. I wore colorful
>(understatement) clothes, drove a beefed up car, was not shy about
>playing loud Rock and Roll when I drove into or left the school
>parking lot and had lots of guy friends. More than once I was called
>into the Girl's Counselors office. She tried to talk to me about the
>need for me to be conformative. I was dating a guy in the Navy at the
>time, so I also think she thought it was possible I was sexually
>active. In her opinion Navy Guys didn't date nice girls. Also, if I
>was dating this sailor, why was I hanging around with all these other
>boys? The last time I got called into her office was in my senior
>year. It was spring, I was with my friends at the burger stand next
>to the High School at lunch. We were sitting in the parking lot, it
>was a warm day and I had my tape deck turned up loud. Me and some of
>my friends were dancing to the music. I got called into the office,
>she said I had put on a lewd display, unbecoming of a young lady of
>the school. She told me I would come to a sorry end, if I didn't
>become more serious about my reputation. Oh, well, so much for those
>days of youth. ;-) I look back and can say, Wow that was fun.
Oh I had a lot of fun, and because I knew the consequences I was
incredibly careful, and I didn't get a reputation, I couldn't afford to,
it would have affected my whole family, when I left to go into the air
force, I had a lot more freedom.
>
>I guess what I am saying is, I knew the facts. I didn't have to guess
>about it. This gave me more freedom. I knew about the consequences
>of my actions. Thus the responsibility was mine. My parents also
>trusted me, because They had given me the knowledge I needed to make a
>responsible decision. I guess, I proved them right. I didn't get
>pregnant until I was well married.
My dad was a little old fashioned if I was not home by ten when I was
sixteen, he would be out looking for me. and worrying, but he had been a
sailor, and he had no illusions about the men, as he said, he trusted
me, but he sure didn't trust them.....made me wonder what he had got up
to, mind he was incredibly handsome, Dark hair, and eyes, and a perfect
smile
>
>>
>>> Her older sister told her, she would get pregnant if she
>>>open mouth kissed.
>>
>>(chuckle) your mum was not alone.
>
>No, she wasn't. I was still shocked when one of my girlfriends said
>that to me. She was worried that I was in for trouble when she saw me
>and one of my boyfriends kissing like that. It was her mother who had
>told her that too. I thought that was a terrible thing to for a
>mother to do to her daughter.
Their were even Twenty years ago girls who had little idea what was
going on, parents could pull them out of biology class where they got
instruction on sex. then the government decided, that all children
needed that information and all children were taught it, their was a
fuss, but no one worry's about it now.
>
>>
>>> Shock is a mild word for what she felt on the
>>>wedding night. She was beyond grateful my dad was a patient and
>>>gentle man.
>>
>>She was lucky. I knew what was happening to my body, and sex held no
>>suprises for me, but for some of the those, girls sex would always be
>>dirty, something you only did because you wanted children, one of the
>>worst things that Christianity did was to make women feel dirty about
>>their own sexuality. and their own sexual needs.
>
>I came up against that several times, when I was young and dating. It
>really pissed me off. One guy got real bent out of shape because I
>had enjoyed sex! He had actually told me I was suppose to just lay
>there and submit! Well, I told him he was a F***ed up pervert and
>walked out the door. I can find someone who can enjoy my enthusiasm.
Women are not supposed to enjoy sex. (grin ) thank goodness that is
dying, along with some of the silly attitudes that went with it. and
active partner is much more fun, than a piece of dead meat.
>
>
>>snip<
>>
>>They can be, we walk about with nothing on also, but while the children
>>went through their adolescence it was obvious they were embarrassed
>>about the changes in their body's, even if they knew what was happening,
>>so we tended to put a towel or for two or three years, until they had
>>got over that stage.
>
>Yes, you have to be sensitive.
Don't you just. :)
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>snip
>>>>
>>>>I often thought that few hours was what kept us together and happy, and
>>>>it gave us the chance to discuss things.
>>
so[
>>
>>(chuckle ) I know that feeling, their is an advert on tv. where a middle
>>aged Mum and dad, with the kids grown up at last, look at each other and
>>say, "Remember Gillford ?" and you know exactly what they are talking
>>about, just from the looks on their faces, Gillford by the way is one of
>>the most unromantic places you can think of, perhaps like saying
>>remember the Bronx ?
>
>Ah, every place has its golden moments. I can look at my Hubby and
>say Zion Beach. It is right next to the Nuclear Power plant. Not a
>romantic spot, rather ugly, for a beach that's bad. But for us it
>brings a smile. It was there, we discovered we really cared about
>each other. No kissing or anything like that, we were at a party with
>a lot of friends. But, we learned that night we cared for each other.
>So We can say Zion beach and smile like idiots at each other.
Then I would probably say Remember the white horse at Wilshire.....he.
he.
>
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Shez
<Sa...@REMOVECAPSnetcom.ca> writes
>
>> <snip>
>> I grew up having my questions answered, at the time they were asked, in
>> a manner I could understand them. We have done the same with our
>> children.
>
>involved oddly drawn fat people. I'm scarred for life, I know it.
Poor you, it must have seemed you couldn't have sex unless you were fat,
and looked like a badly drawn cartoon, give me the Karma Sutra, every
time, mind you some of those positions look like fat people in funny
positions to..... he.he.
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <371594b9...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>snip kissing for babies<
>>
>>When I went to high school, it was a rare thing for a girl to be
>>pregnant. Usually if a girl did do the unspeakable, she got married
>>right away or she moved.
>
>Yeh or she ended up sometimes in a mental hospital simply for being
>pregnant She was looked upon as mentally degenerate,
>
>in Ireland they sent them to church unmarried mothers homes, their child
>would be taken when it was born, and the girls were put into a laundry
>to wash and clean the clothes of the nuns and priests, as a punishment,
>sometimes for years,
Sounds like an Oliver Twist thing!
> It was basically a jail, the children would be brought up in an
>orphanage only a few hundred yards away, but the mothers and children
>were never allowed to meet, they didn't even know who their children
>were, it was incredibly cruel. they were called the Magdelene Laundry's,
>and even girls who had been raped, were put their as if it were their
>fault they were raped.
Always blame the woman. Eve got the blame.
>
>They were often abused again, by priests. and even nuns, the truth has
>only been coming out in the last years, and the Laundry's were not
>closed until a few years ago,
>Some of those girls, now middle aged or old women, are taking the
>Catholic church to court, I hope they win millions, they deserve it.
>The children were treated as sinners, because they were bastards, and
>their life was terrible.
Some years ago I read a book, about a similar situation here in USA.
There was a Church Home for unwed mothers. The women had to work for
a year after the birth of the child. To be cleansed of their sin.
The child was taken away and put up for adoption. The adopters had to
pay for the child. The woman who wrote about it had been sent there
by her family after she had been raped by her stepfather. A
Evangelical preacher. He cursed her and blamed her as he raped her.
She was 15 at the time. Gods, talk about a sick evil man! After she
was released from that place, she refused to go home. She went to a
city and got a job as a live in maid. She wrote her book in the
1930's, about 20 yrs after it happened. She did open here own home
for unwed mothers. It ran only on donations. The young women did not
have to work it off nor were they separated from their babies. She
wanted love and caring to replace sin. I'm not sure of the name of
the book. 'The sin of a woman' I think. I don't even remember were
I got the book. I just thought it was a horrible and disgusting thing
she had to go through.
>
>
>> I knew one girl who was the innocent type.
>>Sweet, quiet, good student, she hid her pregnancy for a long time.
>>Once it was known, Wham out the school doors she went. The boy who
>>got her pregnant was a nice boy and also a good student. He got to
>>stay in school. His mother was a real loony. When she found out her
>>son's girlfriend was pregnant, he wasn't aloud to speak her name, talk
>>to her, no contact what so ever. In her mind the girl was a dirty
>>slut and had soiled her perfect son. It really bunched her knickers
>>when they got married when he turned 18 and graduated. Seems he had
>>been defying her, had been seeing his girlfriend and the baby anyway.
>
>Good for him, his mother sounds like the possessive type, no doubt she
>will still try to make trouble, I suppose she claimed that the girl
>seduced him. :)
Oh, you betcha! She lived down the street from us. (the mother) To
listen to her you would have thought the girl danced naked under her
son's window every night. When her son married her, she disowned him
and the child. I actually heard her say, she was not going to have a
bastard for a grandchild.
>>
>snip - days of youth. ;-) >
>
>Oh I had a lot of fun, and because I knew the consequences I was
>incredibly careful, and I didn't get a reputation, I couldn't afford to,
>it would have affected my whole family, when I left to go into the air
>force, I had a lot more freedom.
The freedom of being out of the house was wonderful. Though I was
still very careful. I did not wish to cause an upset, my parents
didn't deserve that after the great childhood they gave me.
>>
>>I guess what I am saying is, I knew the facts. I didn't have to guess
>>about it. This gave me more freedom. I knew about the consequences
>>of my actions. Thus the responsibility was mine. My parents also
>>trusted me, because They had given me the knowledge I needed to make a
>>responsible decision. I guess, I proved them right. I didn't get
>>pregnant until I was well married.
>
>My dad was a little old fashioned if I was not home by ten when I was
>sixteen, he would be out looking for me. and worrying, but he had been a
>sailor, and he had no illusions about the men, as he said, he trusted
>me, but he sure didn't trust them.....made me wonder what he had got up
>to, mind he was incredibly handsome, Dark hair, and eyes, and a perfect
>smile
My dad was a handsome man too. Looks a lot like Sean Conrey. When
Disney did 'Darby O'Gill and the little people' I wondered when my
dad had time to do a movie. ;-) You could still put them side by
side and think they are twin brothers. Dad was quite a magnet for the
ladies. He was rather strict with me and dating. I understand he was
'lucky' with the ladies. He didn't want anyone to be lucky with me!
>>
>snip<
>Their were even Twenty years ago girls who had little idea what was
>going on, parents could pull them out of biology class where they got
>instruction on sex. then the government decided, that all children
>needed that information and all children were taught it, their was a
>fuss, but no one worry's about it now.
Well, here in this little town, the parent has to sign a permission
slip. No signed slip no Sex ED. Half the girls in her class did not
get permission. There are still a lot of ignorant people. My
daughter thought the class was 'babyish' "I knew that stuff a long
time ago." She also gets flabbergasted when she hears of a girl
getting pregnant. "Mom, why are they so stupid?" OH, bless my baby
girl, I hopes she keeps that attitude.
>snip<
>Women are not supposed to enjoy sex. (grin ) thank goodness that is
>dying, along with some of the silly attitudes that went with it. and
>active partner is much more fun, than a piece of dead meat.
Well, I have heard one guy complain he wished his wife would enjoy
sex. I heard him say, his wife believed a good lay was like a good
haircut. You shouldn't be able to tell if you had one. Oh, well.
>snip<
>Then I would probably say Remember the white horse at Wilshire.....he.
>he.
The smiles, such memories bring.... Our children think I'm completely
silly, when my husband looks at me and says, "Snow bank" Now there's
a story!
Shez
<zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>Shez wrote:
>
>>In article <371594b9...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>snip kissing for babies<
>>>
>>>When I went to high school, it was a rare thing for a girl to be
>>>pregnant. Usually if a girl did do the unspeakable, she got married
>>>right away or she moved.
>>
>>Yeh or she ended up sometimes in a mental hospital simply for being
>>pregnant She was looked upon as mentally degenerate,
>>
>>in Ireland they sent them to church unmarried mothers homes, their child
>>would be taken when it was born, and the girls were put into a laundry
>>to wash and clean the clothes of the nuns and priests, as a punishment,
>>sometimes for years,
>
>Sounds like an Oliver Twist thing!
Yes, but it was done in the name of morality and religion, and of course
family disapproval....
some of those women were in those places from 16 till they died, and for
what, having a child without being married by the church, !, and some of
them had been raped.
>
>> It was basically a jail, the children would be brought up in an
>>orphanage only a few hundred yards away, but the mothers and children
>>were never allowed to meet, they didn't even know who their children
>>were, it was incredibly cruel. they were called the Magdelene Laundry's,
>>and even girls who had been raped, were put their as if it were their
>>fault they were raped.
>
>Always blame the woman. Eve got the blame.
Yes they blamed the women and punished them, and punished the children
as well for daring to come into this world out of wedlock... horrific.
>
>>
>>They were often abused again, by priests. and even nuns, the truth has
>>only been coming out in the last years, and the Laundry's were not
>>closed until a few years ago,
>>Some of those girls, now middle aged or old women, are taking the
>>Catholic church to court, I hope they win millions, they deserve it.
>>The children were treated as sinners, because they were bastards, and
>>their life was terrible.
>
>Some years ago I read a book, about a similar situation here in USA.
>There was a Church Home for unwed mothers. The women had to work for
>a year after the birth of the child. To be cleansed of their sin.
>The child was taken away and put up for adoption. The adopters had to
>pay for the child. The woman who wrote about it had been sent there
>by her family after she had been raped by her stepfather. A
>Evangelical preacher. He cursed her and blamed her as he raped her.
>She was 15 at the time. Gods, talk about a sick evil man! After she
>was released from that place, she refused to go home. She went to a
>city and got a job as a live in maid. She wrote her book in the
>1930's, about 20 yrs after it happened. She did open here own home
>for unwed mothers. It ran only on donations. The young women did not
>have to work it off nor were they separated from their babies. She
>wanted love and caring to replace sin. I'm not sure of the name of
>the book. 'The sin of a woman' I think. I don't even remember were
>I got the book. I just thought it was a horrible and disgusting thing
>she had to go through.
It was, and even more horrible and disgusting, that she would be put
through that and the child taken away forcibly, when she had been raped,
and no doubt the preacher blamed her for tempting him with her womanly
wiles,
Why do the men always blame the girls, and say they tempted them, when
its really their own lack of control and lack of empathy, they obviously
never saw those girls as people
I hope he is now rotting in his own Christian hell.
Wasn't their supposed to be a special one for preachers and priests,
a 15 year old girl all those years ago, was not a woman, they were
brought up with no idea of physical or sexual love, and really were very
nieve.
>
>>
>>
>>> I knew one girl who was the innocent type.
>>>Sweet, quiet, good student, she hid her pregnancy for a long time.
>>>Once it was known, Wham out the school doors she went. The boy who
>>>got her pregnant was a nice boy and also a good student. He got to
>>>stay in school. His mother was a real loony. When she found out her
>>>son's girlfriend was pregnant, he wasn't aloud to speak her name, talk
>>>to her, no contact what so ever. In her mind the girl was a dirty
>>>slut and had soiled her perfect son. It really bunched her knickers
>>>when they got married when he turned 18 and graduated. Seems he had
>>>been defying her, had been seeing his girlfriend and the baby anyway.
>>
>>Good for him, his mother sounds like the possessive type, no doubt she
>>will still try to make trouble, I suppose she claimed that the girl
>>seduced him. :)
>
>Oh, you betcha! She lived down the street from us. (the mother) To
>listen to her you would have thought the girl danced naked under her
>son's window every night. When her son married her, she disowned him
>and the child. I actually heard her say, she was not going to have a
>bastard for a grandchild.
Silly woman, she has not only lost her son through her envy, but any
chance of grandchildren.
>
>>>
>
>>snip - days of youth. ;-) >
>>
>>Oh I had a lot of fun, and because I knew the consequences I was
>>incredibly careful, and I didn't get a reputation, I couldn't afford to,
>>it would have affected my whole family, when I left to go into the air
>>force, I had a lot more freedom.
>
>The freedom of being out of the house was wonderful. Though I was
>still very careful. I did not wish to cause an upset, my parents
>didn't deserve that after the great childhood they gave me.
I felt the same way, plus it was considered a terrible thing for the
family, and they would be blamed in part for not seeing that I didn't
get pregnant,
but how the heck were they to do that, most girls didn't have any idea
what sex was, I remember some of them thinking, that when you had a
baby, they untied your belly button and it came out of their. (grin)
I wish they did, it would have been a sight less painful. (chuckle)
>
>>>
>>>I guess what I am saying is, I knew the facts. I didn't have to guess
>>>about it. This gave me more freedom. I knew about the consequences
>>>of my actions. Thus the responsibility was mine. My parents also
>>>trusted me, because They had given me the knowledge I needed to make a
>>>responsible decision. I guess, I proved them right. I didn't get
>>>pregnant until I was well married.
>>
>>My dad was a little old fashioned if I was not home by ten when I was
>>sixteen, he would be out looking for me. and worrying, but he had been a
>>sailor, and he had no illusions about the men, as he said, he trusted
>>me, but he sure didn't trust them.....made me wonder what he had got up
>>to, mind he was incredibly handsome, Dark hair, and eyes, and a perfect
>>smile
>
>My dad was a handsome man too. Looks a lot like Sean Conrey. When
>Disney did 'Darby O'Gill and the little people' I wondered when my
>dad had time to do a movie. ;-) You could still put them side by
>side and think they are twin brothers. Dad was quite a magnet for the
>ladies. He was rather strict with me and dating. I understand he was
>'lucky' with the ladies. He didn't want anyone to be lucky with me!
Exactly the more popular the dads were, the more careful they are of
their daughters. (grin )
Dad looked a bit like Cary Grant. . and he had a wonderful voice,
>>snip<
>
>>Their were even Twenty years ago girls who had little idea what was
>>going on, parents could pull them out of biology class where they got
>>instruction on sex. then the government decided, that all children
>>needed that information and all children were taught it, their was a
>>fuss, but no one worry's about it now.
>
>Well, here in this little town, the parent has to sign a permission
>slip. No signed slip no Sex ED. Half the girls in her class did not
>get permission. There are still a lot of ignorant people. My
>daughter thought the class was 'babyish' "I knew that stuff a long
>time ago." She also gets flabbergasted when she hears of a girl
>getting pregnant. "Mom, why are they so stupid?" OH, bless my baby
>girl, I hopes she keeps that attitude.
She well might, but accidents happen thank goodness for the pill and
other birth control methods.
>
>>snip<
>
>>Women are not supposed to enjoy sex. (grin ) thank goodness that is
>>dying, along with some of the silly attitudes that went with it. and
>>active partner is much more fun, than a piece of dead meat.
>
>Well, I have heard one guy complain he wished his wife would enjoy
>sex. I heard him say, his wife believed a good lay was like a good
>haircut. You shouldn't be able to tell if you had one. Oh, well.
Poor lad...
>
>>snip<
>
>>Then I would probably say Remember the white horse at Wilshire.....he.
>>he.
>
>The smiles, such memories bring.... Our children think I'm completely
>silly, when my husband looks at me and says, "Snow bank" Now there's
>a story!
All we mature lady's have such memories,
its up to the younger generations now to build their own.....
>
>
>--
>ZM*
>
>"love dem lil" mousies
>mousies whats I loves to eats
>bites dey lil" heads off
>nibble on dey tiny feets"
> -Kilban
--
Zephera MorningStar
>In article <37185b40...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>Shez wrote:
>>
>>>In article <371594b9...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>>><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>>>snip kissing for babies<
>>
>>Sounds like an Oliver Twist thing!
>
>Yes, but it was done in the name of morality and religion, and of course
>family disapproval....
>some of those women were in those places from 16 till they died, and for
>what, having a child without being married by the church, !, and some of
>them had been raped.
It just boggles the mind that the blame can be placed on the woman. I
can remember a rape case from when I was a teen. This man raped a ten
yr old girl in his neighborhood. At the trial he blamed the child,
claimed she seduced him. Also, he said the child was a daemon and had
come to him in dreams, every night for a year. Well, that got him put
in the loony bin. I hope he got a sadistic, ward bitch, like in "One
Flew Over the Coockoo's Nest".
>>
>>Always blame the woman. Eve got the blame.
>Yes they blamed the women and punished them, and punished the children
>as well for daring to come into this world out of wedlock... horrific.
There was a fuss made at a catholic church during the early seventies.
A young man got drafted to go to Veit Nam. He and his fiancee had sex
before he left. She got pregnant. He got killed. She wanted the
baby baptized and the priest of her church refused to do it. He
claimed that bastard children had no souls. The priest did get
removed from that church and the child was baptized. It is commonly
held by many Catholics, if the Bans were announced before witnesses
then they were as good as wed. Both families were present when he
proposed and she accepted. Still, I thought the priest who said
babies out of wedlock having no souls, was way wrong. I guess that
made the child less human, to him.
>>
>
>It was, and even more horrible and disgusting, that she would be put
>through that and the child taken away forcibly, when she had been raped,
>and no doubt the preacher blamed her for tempting him with her womanly
>wiles,
Of course, he blamed her. He was a 'Man of God' Women are the
instruments of the devil. It was the man's duty to chastise the woman
and keep her humbled before the Lord. Crap! Wonderful excuses they
come up with in the name of religion.
>Why do the men always blame the girls, and say they tempted them, when
>its really their own lack of control and lack of empathy, they obviously
>never saw those girls as people
How could they. They are objects. Something to own, control, use.
>I hope he is now rotting in his own Christian hell.
>Wasn't their supposed to be a special one for preachers and priests,
I don't believe in Hell. But for those who do, I hope his was
especially nasty.
>
>a 15 year old girl all those years ago, was not a woman, they were
>brought up with no idea of physical or sexual love, and really were very
>nieve.
A lot of them were. My dad's mom was 15 when she married grand dad.
He was 40. Granmama, never talked about him much. She was widowed at
18 with two small children. Grandad's sons by his first marriage
kicked her out. She ended up leaving my dad with an aunt while she
worked. There wasn't acceptance of my dad by his half brothers for
years. My Dad's family was well to do and my Gran's wasn't as well
off but was 'respectable'. I don't think it was a Love match. But
don't know. Everybody who would, is dead now. Granmama was a
practical woman. She did fuss about me being aloud to date at
fifteen. Told my dad she felt that was letting me grow up to soon.
>>>
>>>Good for him, his mother sounds like the possessive type, no doubt she
>>>will still try to make trouble, I suppose she claimed that the girl
>>>seduced him. :)
>>
>>Oh, you betcha! She lived down the street from us. (the mother) To
>>listen to her you would have thought the girl danced naked under her
>>son's window every night. When her son married her, she disowned him
>>and the child. I actually heard her say, she was not going to have a
>>bastard for a grandchild.
>
>Silly woman, she has not only lost her son through her envy, but any
>chance of grandchildren.
She was a shallow, social climbing, jealous, woman. It is thought her
husband committed suicide, but it was covered up as a 'hunting'
accident. She had a martyr complex, too.
>>>snip - days of youth. ;-) >
>>>
>
>I felt the same way, plus it was considered a terrible thing for the
>family, and they would be blamed in part for not seeing that I didn't
>get pregnant,
>but how the heck were they to do that, most girls didn't have any idea
>what sex was, I remember some of them thinking, that when you had a
>baby, they untied your belly button and it came out of their. (grin)
>I wish they did, it would have been a sight less painful. (chuckle)
Belly button? What belly button? By the time I got to 8 months I
didn't have one. I had heard a girl say that, too. I thought it was
very funny. When I explained to her the facts she was shocked. She
was 17.
>>
>>My dad was a handsome man too. Looks a lot like Sean Conrey. When
>>Disney did 'Darby O'Gill and the little people' I wondered when my
>>dad had time to do a movie. ;-) You could still put them side by
>>side and think they are twin brothers. Dad was quite a magnet for the
>>ladies. He was rather strict with me and dating. I understand he was
>>'lucky' with the ladies. He didn't want anyone to be lucky with me!
>
>Exactly the more popular the dads were, the more careful they are of
>their daughters. (grin )
>Dad looked a bit like Cary Grant. . and he had a wonderful voice,
My friend Tazman is going to be a daddy in July. They just found out
it's going to be a girl. We like to tease him about not letting her
date until she is 30. He is one of those guys who was very popular
with the girls.
>>>snip<
>>
>>>Their were even Twenty years ago girls who had little idea what was
>>>going on, parents could pull them out of biology class where they got
>>>instruction on sex. then the government decided, that all children
>>>needed that information and all children were taught it, their was a
>>>fuss, but no one worry's about it now.
>>
>>Well, here in this little town, the parent has to sign a permission
>>slip. No signed slip no Sex ED. Half the girls in her class did not
>>get permission. There are still a lot of ignorant people. My
>>daughter thought the class was 'babyish' "I knew that stuff a long
>>time ago." She also gets flabbergasted when she hears of a girl
>>getting pregnant. "Mom, why are they so stupid?" OH, bless my baby
>>girl, I hopes she keeps that attitude.
>
>She well might, but accidents happen thank goodness for the pill and
>other birth control methods.
But, so many don't use them. then there is the argument that giving a
girl the pill, is giving her permission to have sex. Well, she is
going to have sex, whether she has the pill or not. Not letting her
have the pill is giving her permission to have a baby.
>>
>>>snip<
>>
>>>Women are not supposed to enjoy sex. (grin ) thank goodness that is
>>>dying, along with some of the silly attitudes that went with it. and
>>>active partner is much more fun, than a piece of dead meat.
>>
>>Well, I have heard one guy complain he wished his wife would enjoy
>>sex. I heard him say, his wife believed a good lay was like a good
>>haircut. You shouldn't be able to tell if you had one. Oh, well.
>
>Poor lad...
He was a nice guy, felt a little sad about that.
>>
>>>snip<
>>
>>>Then I would probably say Remember the white horse at Wilshire.....he.
>>>he.
>>
>>The smiles, such memories bring.... Our children think I'm completely
>>silly, when my husband looks at me and says, "Snow bank" Now there's
>>a story!
>
>All we mature lady's have such memories,
>its up to the younger generations now to build their own.....
Isn't it though.
Kevin Jones
>
> In article <37185b40...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
> <zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
> >Shez wrote:
> >
> >>In article <371594b9...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
> >><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
> >>snip kissing for babies<
> >>>
> >>>When I went to high school, it was a rare thing for a girl to be
> >>>pregnant. Usually if a girl did do the unspeakable, she got married
> >>>right away or she moved.
> >>
> >>Yeh or she ended up sometimes in a mental hospital simply for being
> >>pregnant She was looked upon as mentally degenerate,
> >>
> >>in Ireland they sent them to church unmarried mothers homes, their child
> >>would be taken when it was born, and the girls were put into a laundry
> >>to wash and clean the clothes of the nuns and priests, as a punishment,
> >>sometimes for years,
> >
> >Sounds like an Oliver Twist thing!
>
> Yes, but it was done in the name of morality and religion, and of course
> family disapproval....
> some of those women were in those places from 16 till they died, and for
> what, having a child without being married by the church, !, and some of
> them had been raped.
Now some years ago I worked for a wee while in a mental institution. They ere
just releasing some old lady back into care in the community after over 60
years in the institution. I got the story from one of the nurses,
Seems that as an 18 year old lass in the 1920's, she got herself pregnant. She
was duly incarcerated in the funny farm since she was obviously a moral
degenerate. Not surprisingly, after a few years there, she got depressed, so
the doctors tried to cure her. First off they tried water treatments and then,
when it came in vogue, insulin shock therapy. A little later, in the 50's
neurosurgery was the big thing, so they cut bits out of her brain to cure the
depression. After that, she had regular electroshock therapy. As the nurse
commented, she's a sweet old dear but a little ga-ga. She wondered why I
exploded and enquired why it hadn't dawned on anyone that the cause of her
depression was the perfectly natural result of a perfectly normal woman being
locked up for life in a mental institution. Were the medical staff complete
cretins back then I enquired? Wouldn't you be totally bloody ga-ga if you'd
been through what she's experienced? She had the good grace to look highly
embarassed, comment that it was an unsatisfactory situation and that at least
the woman was now being released. I remarked that it was too little, too late
- the medical profession had robbed this woman of 60 years of her life, her
independence, a chance of happiness, her child and her sanity. For what?
Because she fell in love with a man and got pregnant! And they were now just
sending her out to die after what little was left of her life had expired,
into an environment that she may not be unable to understand and which had
altered dramatically since she was 18. The nurse had the good grace to look
even more embarassed and dropped the platitudes this time, with a private
admission that it was barbaric. I did wonder at the time if there is anything
that we do now which will be considered barbaric in another 60 years time -
most likely.
Kevin
Afalwyn
Zephera MorningStar wrote in message
<371ac40c...@news.amaonline.com>...
<snipped>
>>but how the heck were they to do that, most girls didn't have any idea
>>what sex was, I remember some of them thinking, that when you had a
>>baby, they untied your belly button and it came out of their. (grin)
>>I wish they did, it would have been a sight less painful. (chuckle)
>
>Belly button? What belly button? By the time I got to 8 months I
>didn't have one. I had heard a girl say that, too. I thought it was
>very funny. When I explained to her the facts she was shocked. She
>was 17.
Okay, I'm blushing like mad here. I did have sex education at school but
managed to come away with the impression that the belly button was there to
feed the baby while it was in the womb. This bizarre theory stayed with me
for quite a long time before I got it out dusted if off and worked out I'd
dozed off at some point when they explained the umbilical cord.
BB (Bright blushings <g>)
Afalyn
Zephera MorningStar
>Shez wrote:
>>
>> In article <37185b40...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>> <zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>> >Shez wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <371594b9...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
>> >><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
There are so many people that have had their lives removed by the
tender mercies of the 'Phyco Docs'.
In 1943 a boy of thirteen was sent to one of those institutions
because his parents caught him masturbating. They tried to cure him
of this degenerate behavior. Part of it was removing parts of his
brain and drugs. His sister had to fight like hell to get him out of
there after ten years. Her parents wanted him to stay, because he was
tainted. Once his sister got custody, she took him of the drugs and
rehabilitated him herself. A wonderful and loving sister.
One of the thing that really shakes my tree, is these 'easy fix'
people. I have a very bright and active 10 yr old. His teacher told
me to take him to a Doctor and get him on Ridalin*. Ooo, I saw red.
How dare she make such a comment. Just because he gets bored in her
class, he is a candidate for drugs.
I hope drugging children will be thought of as barbaric in less than
sixty years.
Kevin Jones
>
> Kevin Jones wrote:
>
> >Shez wrote:
> >>
> >> <zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
> >> >Shez wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In article <371594b9...@news.amaonline.com>, Zephera MorningStar
> >> >><zeph...@deathsdoor.com> writes
>
> >just releasing some old lady back into care in the community after over 60
> >years in the institution. I got the story from one of the nurses,
> >
> >Seems that as an 18 year old lass in the 1920's, she got herself pregnant. She
> >was duly incarcerated in the funny farm since she was obviously a moral
> >degenerate. Not surprisingly, after a few years there, she got depressed, so
> >the doctors tried to cure her. First off they tried water treatments and then,
> >when it came in vogue, insulin shock therapy. A little later, in the 50's
> >neurosurgery was the big thing, so they cut bits out of her brain to cure the
> >depression. After that, she had regular electroshock therapy. As the nurse
> >commented, she's a sweet old dear but a little ga-ga. She wondered why I
Well, this sort of crud went on - it's often forgotten that Kellogg's Cornflakes
were invented by Doctor Kellogg (the well-known nutter) as an anti-masturbation
food which was supposed to reduce carnal desires. Additionally, all sorts of
gizmos were invented for attaching to the child which would give them electric
shocks and set off bells round the house if they tried to 'abuse themselves',
which would be enough to make someone neurotic for life!
Of course, Dr Kellogg's principal contribution to human knowledge was colonic
irrigation. Now I've always reckoned that if god had intended us to have a hose
shoved up our backsides, he would have provided a suitable fitting for the
purpose!
> One of the thing that really shakes my tree, is these 'easy fix'
> people. I have a very bright and active 10 yr old. His teacher told
> me to take him to a Doctor and get him on Ridalin*. Ooo, I saw red.
> How dare she make such a comment. Just because he gets bored in her
> class, he is a candidate for drugs.
>
> I hope drugging children will be thought of as barbaric in less than
> sixty years.
I have heard of the practice. However, that appears to be something that hasn't
crossed the Atlantic, thank god!!
Of course, if he's getting bored in her class, the idea might be for the school
to try and push his education a bit further; no point in going over ground if he
already knows it and its not making him think. Though I doubt they'll do that.
Mind you, back when I was a kid, I got taught to read and write by my mother,
which meant I was streets ahead of the rest of the class. Fortunately the school,
rather than insisting that I deal with 'Janet and John' like everyone else (which
would have had me climbing walls) decided I was best left alone in the corner
reading whatever took my fancy - which was up to the standard of 'Treasure
Island' at that stage. They reckoned the rest of the class had to catch up with
me. So some schools over here do have their wits about them
Kevin