Pagan Scouts
Fred Goodwin, CMA
<http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6124046>
5/6/2008 Fresno, CA (KFSN) -- A scouting organization founded by
Pagans is opening a chapter in the Central Valley.
The local troop leader of Spiral Scouts says it's dedicated to
reverence for nature and religious tolerance. Beckie Tetrault says for
her son and daughter it's an alternative to Boy Scouts and Girl
Scouts. She says,"Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts tend to separate boys and
girls and I wanted them to be able to scout together."
The other issue for Tetrault is religion. While Girl Scouts have no
religious affiliations, Boy Scout troops are usually sponsored by
churches, and belief in God is a requirement for membership. "There's
not really an issue with Boy Scouts, it's just that they are more
Christian centered. Whereas Spiral Scouts is a more earth based
scouting experience." Tetrault explains.
The National Spiral Scouting organization was started by Wiccans, who
believe in an Earth God and Goddess, and practice witchcraft. But
Spiral Scouts is open to all faiths. That's one reason Angela Rahn
says she wants her kids in Spiral Scouts. "I would just like to have
my children involved with other children who are being raised the way
my children are, which is being open to all religions even ones that
are outside of the Christian faith."
Spiral Scouts will do things like work on merit badges, do crafts
projects and go camping.
Tetrault says offering a pagan appreciation of nature, is not teaching
religion. "This is not Pagan Sunday School or anything like that, we
just tend to be more focused on earth centered belief systems." She
adds, it's "More like, looking at, taking care of mother earth, and
how our actions affect mother earth, and how we can do things to
improve the situation for all people and all animals."
The Fresno based Spiral Scouts troop meets at the Fresno Discovery
Center on Saturdays.
Noinden
what is the point of posting this?
zsars
cared for scout groups. I find them a bit creepy.
zsarnok
Noinden wrote:
> So the point is ? Spiral scouts has been around for a long time so
> what is the point of posting this?
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Noinden
To be honest it's a multifaith scout group more than the pagan
Jim
"Noinden" <noi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So the point is ? Spiral scouts has been around for a long time so
> what is the point of posting this?
The new age twit speaks!!!!
zsars
zsarnok
zsars
Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
zsarnok
Jim
"zsars" <zs...@joke.com> wrote in message
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Dig out and read his lame postings.
Jim
"Midwinter" <midwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> zsars <zs...@joke.com> said:
>
>>> To be honest it's a multifaith scout group more than the pagan
>>
>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>
Pagans aren't atheists.
A genuine atheist would never define themselves as a pagan.
Many would try to argue with this statement.
Especially new age eclectic twits.
Alexandra Ceelie
Or anyone with a dictionary.
=^..^=
Xandra
Jim
"Alexandra Ceelie" <the.ne...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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That will teach me to copy someone elses spelling.
Sheesh!!!!
:-)
Jim
> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> said:
>
>>>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>>>
>>> What - between 'religious people' and 'atheists'?
>>
>> Pagans aren't atheists.
>
>
> "Atheists are surrounded".
>
> If there're atheists on one side, and religious people on the other
> (because apparently we have to have sides), I'm trying to work out who's
> doing the surrounding.
The religionists!!!!
It is said that 80% of the people in the US are Christians.
All Druidry is, is a transference from one Jewish god to many Celtic gods.
A crutch if you ask me.
:-)
zsars
> zsars <zs...@joke.com> said:
>
>>> To be honest it's a multifaith scout group more than the pagan
>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>
Multi-faith, single faith, any faith pretty much excludes atheists, eh?
We (I) are surrounded by the go-godders.
zsars
> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> said:
>
>>>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>>> What - between 'religious people' and 'atheists'?
>> Pagans aren't atheists.
>
>
> "Atheists are surrounded".
>
> If there're atheists on one side, and religious people on the other
> (because apparently we have to have sides), I'm trying to work out who's
> doing the surrounding.
<sigh> I didn't mean to start anything. The use of the prefix 'multi' is
often employed to indicate a desire to promote inclusivity. (if there's
exclusivity, there ought to be inclusivity -- comment on
vocabulary/spell checkers)
I was being a smart-ass by pointing out that 'multifaith' usually
excludes atheists.
Noon-Air
> zsars <zs...@joke.com> said:
>
>>> To be honest it's a multifaith scout group more than the pagan
>>
>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>
Atheists religiously believe that there is no supreme being(s)
zsars
Funny. (brat!)
zsars
>
>
>> I was being a smart-ass by pointing out that 'multifaith' usually
>> excludes atheists.
>
> wouldn't be intending such an exclusion.
>
That's what makes the joke. Perhaps only for me.
> That the more... passionate... atheists might take fierce offence at being
> placed on the same side of the planet as the word 'faith' is something that
> most probably just doesn't register with most people.
Weird how a lack of humor afflicts all groups ... and independents ...
and just everybody everywhere. <grumble>
zsars
>>
>> It is said that 80% of the people in the US are Christians.
>
> unbelievers" Christian, or "got-Christened-at-birth-and-sometimes-go-back-
> to-church-if-there's-a-wedding-or-something-on" Christian? Do the
> statistics take account of that sort of detail?
Most Christians are (at least outwardly) reasonable, and not JUST by
their own lights.
But many can be cowed by the more fervent. You can see that any and
everywhere.
Fred Goodwin, CMA
> So the point is ? Spiral scouts has been around for a long time so
> what is the point of posting this?
Its a news article -- must there be a "point" before someone is
allowed to post a news article?
At least one person in this thread hadn't heard of Spiral Scouts -- so
I think posting it served to at least inform that person of their
existence, even if it turns out that person isn't particularly
interested in Scouting, they might know someone who is and might be
interested in such a group.
Do I really need your permission to post anything in the future?
zsars
At the risk of answering for someone else, perhaps it was as stated:
why? Is there something new about the scouts, something pertinent to the
discussion, another purpose for talking about scouts?
It might be interesting, but if there's nothing new, why?
annezie
I think that is really interesting. I think Scouts lends itself a lot
to earth centered religions too. They were there helping on the first
Earth Day. I had heard of Spiral Scouts, but I had done some research
on different groups before. I'll bet lots of people are not aware of
this group. Thanks for sharing this.
joerev...@bellsouth.net
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NOT EVEN CATS ?!
joerev...@bellsouth.net
"Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> wrote in message
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Well?
We're waiting.
zsars
mark
Um, yes. My wife describes herself as an atheist pagan.
>
> Especially new age eclectic twits.
Trust me, we do *not* do newage. Oh, btw, you mispronounced that. Back in
the early nineties, here on alt.pagan, we recognized that the proper
pronunciation of that rhymed with "sewage".
Q: What's the difference between a Newage class and a real Pagan class?
A: One to two decimal points after the dollar sign.
Q: How do you tell the difference between a newage witch and a real witch?
A: Throw them both in a pond. The newage witch will sink under the weight of
their expensive crystals.
mark
mark
>>
>> It is said that 80% of the people in the US are Christians.
>
> unbelievers" Christian, or "got-Christened-at-birth-and-sometimes-go-back-
> to-church-if-there's-a-wedding-or-something-on" Christian? Do the
> statistics take account of that sort of detail?
Oddly enough, there's a thread about this over on rec.arts.sf.fandom, and
someone posted a link to an academic study. Over the last 10-15 years, iUS
Americans (a nod to Canadians and Mexicans, here), the percentage of people
who self-identify as a Christian has dropped from 86% to 77%.
Must be the Christian fascists in power, and those who are disgusted with
those wearing their religion on their sleeves hypocrites.
mark
mark
*sigh*
And anarchists all want to destroy anything resembling a government, and
Jews eat Christian babiies.
Do you *religiously* believe in gravity? The burden of proof is on the
believer to give an unbiased person a reason to believe in something that
they have no physical proof for.
Personally, I'm what you might call a fundamentalist Pagan... I'm a
Lovelockian. (Researching the Lovelock Hypothesis is left as an exercise
for the student.) To me, from what we know scientifically, it's pretty
close to a point of view, like the pictures ("is it a woman in front of a
mirror, or a skull? Is it a goblet, or two people facing each other?). I
chose Lovelock's view. That, of course, makes me a true polytheist, since
every planet in the universe with a biosphere has its own deity.
mark
mark
What *is* this? I'm reprising posts to another group....
Is *that* how you show your appreciation for their domesticating us, 10k or
20k years ago?
mark "excuse me, I must go pet my Lords and Masters, and see if they
need me to butle for them"
root
> "Midwinter" <midwinte...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
Hehehe
To an agnostic panthiest like me it's all moot ;)
golwg
Matthew
Searles O'Dubhain
> mark <whit...@rcn.com> said:
>
>> Oddly enough, there's a thread about this over on rec.arts.sf.fandom,
>> and someone posted a link to an academic study. Over the last 10-15
>> years, iUS Americans (a nod to Canadians and Mexicans, here), the
>> percentage of people who self-identify as a Christian has dropped from
>> 86% to 77%.
>>
>> Must be the Christian fascists in power, and those who are disgusted
>> with those wearing their religion on their sleeves hypocrites.
>
> word 'religious' now because too many people associate it with 'frothing
> mad god-bothering militant psychopath' (or some varient thereof). Instead
> they'll say they're 'spiritual', or that they 'have faith'; or use all
> manner of terms to avoid the dreaded r-word.
>
> It's a shame when a perfectly good descriptive word gets hijacked by a
> non-
> representative few.
It's not just the Christians that exhibit these kinds of knee-jerk reactions
to "religion." We get our share of such folks on alt.religion.druid as well.
Some even go ballistic on words like "faith" and "worship."
One can only think that such people somehow feel threatened by truly
religious practices.
Searles O'Dubhain
Jim
"Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhain@*comcast*.net> wrote in message
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Hardly threatened by morons!!!
Jim
"zsars" <zs...@joke.com> wrote in message
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And all this time I thought it was a lack of faith.
:-)
Pangur Ban
<joerev...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No prob. Cat's have it covered.
PB
joerev...@bellsouth.net
Right. Now pick out any cat at randon and try to convince it of that.
joerev...@bellsouth.net
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For some reason, I suddenly find myself picturing Merlin/natgreenmeds
surrounded by cats....
Emma Pease
>
>
>
>> excludes atheists.
>
> wouldn't be intending such an exclusion.
Except that the Boy Scouts of American (national organization
leadership, many of the local leaders have different views) are well
known as being multi-faith and excluding atheists. Admittedly their
knowledge of faiths other than Christian ones can be rather naive.
As Rick Cronk, President of the BSA stated back in 2006
"There must be hundreds of Gods out there. God in the oath refers
to a supreme being of some sort - it's a moral or ethical or spiritual
orientation. We don't care if it's Mohammad or Buddha or a rock in
Japan. We ask the kids to take the Scout oath and what they do on
their own time is up to them."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-23-cronk-interview_x.htm
Emma
followups set
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Alexandra Ceelie
Imagine that.
=^..^=
Xandra
BrendaD...@gmail.com
> Is that "militant-Bible-thumping-take-over-the-country-and-burn-all-the-
> unbelievers" Christian, or "got-Christened-at-birth-and-sometimes-go-back-
> to-church-if-there's-a-wedding-or-something-on" Christian? Do the
> statistics take account of that sort of detail?
Very good point! The truth is most christian churches do not take
anyone off their lists even if they were only baptized as a child.
This is an issue often addressed politically by the Unitarian
Universalist - as many of their members are ex- jew ex- cathiolic ex-
anything godders, plus a huge mix of pagan, atheists and agnostics.
I think all would enjoy reading this book- Irreligion by Paulos
The study done in one chapter is frightening. It is about how
intolerant people are to Atheism. The stereotype that hurts is that
Atheist have no ethics or morals (pg 139) - on account of having no
god. I have attended a few of Frank Zindlers presentations, and have
heard both the issue of bad member reporting in christian churches and
the intolerance discussed.
I am glad someone is sharing about the spiral scouts. As a parent of
free thinking children - it is nice to get them around people that are
not brainwashed on veggietales and taught that genocide by their god
and against non believers is ok.
Most atheist I know focus more in discussion on what they believe as
opposed to not believing in god. Like the importance of education and
free speech. Why are they so frightening to godders? Do they think
atheists are going to gobble up their fragile faith in the dark of
night with their fierce bright reason? :)
hehe
Brenda
Searles O'Dubhain
> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> said:
>
>> Hardly threatened by morons!!!
>
> Yet so aggressive in response.
These types of agressive responses reveal definite insecurities and
weakness. It's not surprising since the person who is acting up knows little
and rarely attempts to make any sort of positive contribution to religion or
spirituality.
Searles O'Dubhain
1X2Willows
> "Midwinter" wrote
>
>> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> said:
>>
>>> Hardly threatened by morons!!!
>>
>> Yet so aggressive in response.
>
> These types of agressive responses reveal definite insecurities and
> weakness. It's not surprising since the person who is acting up knows
> little and rarely attempts to make any sort of positive contribution to
> religion or spirituality.
>
> Searles O'Dubhain
Call me weird but I would venture the assumption that some
response like "SIT AND SPIN ON IT!!!!!" is in the near future.
:-)))an
[follow-up to a.r.d.]
Jim
> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> said:
>
>> Hardly threatened by morons!!!
>
> Yet so aggressive in response.
Just addressing charlie, aka Searles, his made up religionist/cult name.
Jim
"Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhain@*comcast*.net> wrote in message
Druids like yourself should be honorable.
No insecurity involved when laughing at a cultist.
Jim
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That precisely addresses my words back and forth with this Searles person.
I am an atheist and he says I am so because I am insecure.
I would hardly brag on the www if I were insecure even in the slightest.
:-)
Jim
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It's all smiles for myself. A circus side show to be enjoyed.
:-)
Jim
>> zsars <zs...@joke.com> said:
>>
>>>> To be honest it's a multifaith scout group more than the pagan
>>>
>>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>>
>> What - between 'religious people' and 'atheists'?
>
As to myself it is a philosophical viewpoint.
A non issue if you will.
More like a hard core secularist.
:-)
Jim
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>
> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> wrote in message
> news:tfudnTeSHp1hX7nV...@softcom.net...
>>
>> "Noinden" <noi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:06091d0c-c6a1-4ad5...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> So the point is ? Spiral scouts has been around for a long time so
>>> what is the point of posting this?
>>
>> The new age twit speaks!!!!
>
>
> Well?
> We're waiting.
>
Noindin the Druid warrior and new age twit will most likely respond shortly
with a cowardly diatribe of some sort.
Jim
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Pagan Scouts
>
> <http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6124046>
>
> 5/6/2008 Fresno, CA (KFSN) -- A scouting organization founded by
> Pagans is opening a chapter in the Central Valley.
>
> The local troop leader of Spiral Scouts says it's dedicated to
> reverence for nature and religious tolerance. Beckie Tetrault says for
> her son and daughter it's an alternative to Boy Scouts and Girl
> Scouts. She says,"Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts tend to separate boys and
> girls and I wanted them to be able to scout together."
>
> The other issue for Tetrault is religion. While Girl Scouts have no
> religious affiliations, Boy Scout troops are usually sponsored by
> churches, and belief in God is a requirement for membership. "There's
> not really an issue with Boy Scouts, it's just that they are more
> Christian centered. Whereas Spiral Scouts is a more earth based
> scouting experience." Tetrault explains.
>
> The National Spiral Scouting organization was started by Wiccans, who
> believe in an Earth God and Goddess, and practice witchcraft. But
> Spiral Scouts is open to all faiths. That's one reason Angela Rahn
> says she wants her kids in Spiral Scouts. "I would just like to have
> my children involved with other children who are being raised the way
> my children are, which is being open to all religions even ones that
> are outside of the Christian faith."
>
> Spiral Scouts will do things like work on merit badges, do crafts
> projects and go camping.
>
> Tetrault says offering a pagan appreciation of nature, is not teaching
> religion. "This is not Pagan Sunday School or anything like that, we
> just tend to be more focused on earth centered belief systems." She
> adds, it's "More like, looking at, taking care of mother earth, and
> how our actions affect mother earth, and how we can do things to
> improve the situation for all people and all animals."
>
> The Fresno based Spiral Scouts troop meets at the Fresno Discovery
> Center on Saturdays.
"On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country".
A quote from the boy scout oath.
The question then arises for pagan scouts as to which god?
There are so many!!!!!
:-)
Fred Goodwin, CMA
>
> "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country".
>
> A quote from the boy scout oath.
>
> The question then arises for pagan scouts as to which god?
>
> There are so many!!!!!
>
> :-)
Why would you assume the pagan scouts use the BSA scout oath?
joerev...@bellsouth.net
And after all, you only used three exclaimation points.
Searles O'Dubhain
The Spiral Scouts try to include everyone. I think only the hard core,
inflexible Atheists would take offense at their oath. It certainly appears
to include Pantheists and Deists in its creed.
A Spiral Scout shall:
respect all living things;
be kind and courteous;
be honorable;
be mindful of his/her words;
seek out knowledge in all forms;
recognize the beauty in all of creation;
offer assistance to others;
value honesty and truth;
honor personal commitments;
and respect the Divine in all things.
Some would take offense at the words "creation" and "Divine" though most
reasonable people would not.
Here's the Spiral Scouts site where I found the oath:
http://www.chalicewellfellowship.com/id5.html
It's in Western Massachusetts near where I was working in the past year.
Searles O'Dubhain
Jim
> "Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> said:
>
>> The religionists!!!!
>>
>> It is said that 80% of the people in the US are Christians.
>
> Is that "militant-Bible-thumping-take-over-the-country-and-burn-all-the-
> unbelievers" Christian, or "got-Christened-at-birth-and-sometimes-go-back-
> to-church-if-there's-a-wedding-or-something-on" Christian? Do the
> statistics take account of that sort of detail?
Not at all!
The number is what the media tries to push down out throats.
Jim
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Kept two in reserve for future use.
Jim
This is the first time I have heard of the pagan scouts.
Are they a part of the BSA?
Jim
"Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhain@*comcast*.net> wrote in message
Get your head out of your ass moron!!!!!
zsars
>> their own lights.
>>
>> But many can be cowed by the more fervent. You can see that any and
>> everywhere.
>
> You can, I agree entirely.
>
> But the question is whether there's then enough of them, proportionally
> speaking, to surround anyone, and whether a high enough number of those
> would want to do any surrounding.
I was not simply referring to Christians, but to all who follow a faith.
They are most definitely in the majority. As to whether they wish to
surround, I can't say. By numbers they do, it's just a simple fact. I
admit to putting it in an unflattering term. I still intend to use the term.
zsars
>>> being placed on the same side of the planet as the word 'faith' is
>>> something that most probably just doesn't register with most people.
>> Weird how a lack of humor afflicts all groups ... and independents ...
>> and just everybody everywhere. <grumble>
>
> Well, unfortunately I have to put my hand up to that. I have no sense of
> humour, I'm afraid. I'd like one: they look fun. But I just try to muddle
> along without.
I can see that you suffer, but there's grace in how well you bear up.
zsars
There's the humorous aspect of claiming to be all inclusive while still
defining the inclusion with respect to following a faith. A restrictive
inclusion. Faith here (as I read it) actually referring to living in
accordance to what you believe with regard to God or gods -- whether
organized or free-wheeling.
I was playing on the words. In part. Trying to make a point with minimal
abrasion.
A lack of faith? I don't lack faith. I do not believe in God. I apply my
faith to other (non-religious) things.
I don't mean to split hairs, especially since you seem to get the joke,
but it seems to be necessary for at least some, so I have.
zsarnok (feeling utterly pedantic now)
zsars
None so blind as those who will not see .... But they purr and cuddle,
so it's alright. I concede your point.
zsars
zsars
> Noon-Air wrote:
>> "Midwinter" <midwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A99EA9496588...@216.196.109.145...
>>> zsars <zs...@joke.com> said:
>>>
>>>>> To be honest it's a multifaith scout group more than the pagan
>>>> Atheists are surrounded, I tells ye!
>>> What - between 'religious people' and 'atheists'?
>> Atheists religiously believe that there is no supreme being(s)
>
>
> And anarchists all want to destroy anything resembling a government, and
> Jews eat Christian babiies.
>
> Do you *religiously* believe in gravity? The burden of proof is on the
> believer to give an unbiased person a reason to believe in something that
> they have no physical proof for.
>
> Personally, I'm what you might call a fundamentalist Pagan... I'm a
> Lovelockian. (Researching the Lovelock Hypothesis is left as an exercise
> for the student.) To me, from what we know scientifically, it's pretty
> close to a point of view, like the pictures ("is it a woman in front of a
> mirror, or a skull? Is it a goblet, or two people facing each other?). I
> chose Lovelock's view. That, of course, makes me a true polytheist, since
> every planet in the universe with a biosphere has its own deity.
>
> mark
Interesting. But, to me it seems flawed. If an organism reacts to
another organism or it's surroundings in a way natural to it (which is
most likely), that doesn't make the interaction itself an organism.
Companies have been studied for the way they 'grow' and 'evolve' and how
they can mimic a living group, but it doesn't make the company itself
alive, even with all the living members that comprise the company. It
does, however, show that there is a way of interaction that would
indicate life. So, any place that exhibits these traits, probably has
life in it.
zsars
zsars
joerev...@bellsouth.net
An actual sense of humor?
WELL CRAP!!!!! I had my image of you all arganized.
(5 exclaimation poins just cry for typing in all caps)
joerev...@bellsouth.net
This can still work.
Somebody glue Merlin's shoes to his feet while I go for my nail gun.
(The nails rust if you put them in the feet.)
Fred Goodwin, CMA
> This is the first time I have heard of the pagan scouts.
OK -- so there are at least two people in this thread who had not
heard of the pagan scouts before now, yet I have to have a "point"
before I post a news article about them.
I hope the "point" has been made.
> Are they a part of the BSA?
No, they are separate organizations, with separate oaths and rules.
zsars
LOL! I'll apply the glue if it comes with a brush. But someone else will
have to deal with holding him.
zsars
> On May 11, 7:40 am, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
>
>> This is the first time I have heard of the pagan scouts.
>
> OK -- so there are at least two people in this thread who had not
> heard of the pagan scouts before now, yet I have to have a "point"
> before I post a news article about them.
>
> I hope the "point" has been made.
>
about it even if it would be 'new information'.
That's a point too.
joerev...@bellsouth.net
Oops!
Five exclamation points but text NOT in all caps: a clear breach of proper
nut-job posting form.
Pangur Ban
[snip]
I had to Google "CMA". There are a variety of interesting options,
including "Crystal Meth Anonymous" and "Christian Motorcycle
Association".
Sorry for being OT. I'll go back to whatever I was doing now.
PB
Jim
<joerev...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You should familiarize yourself more with a dry sense of humor.
I am laughing all the time.
:-)
Jim
You have your head screwed on straight.
You would make a lousy pagan.
You may well be the quintesential heathen however.
:-)
Jim
As the pagan folks see it, it must multiple choice.
:-)
Jim
Thanks for the explanation.
I was wondering if they were a splinter group.
Is there a website where one can read about them?
Jim
There might well be a certain amount of entertainment value there.
As an example, news groups like alt.religion druid provide me with hours and
hours of smiles.
All I have to do is turn over a rock and wait to see what crawls out.
Pagan folk are so incredibly easy.
:-)
:-)
:-)
Jim
"Pangur Ban" <pangure...@bellsouth.witheggs> wrote in message
Well, you made my day!!!!
:-)
Pangur Ban
"Jim" <stone...@softcom.net> wrote:
Happy to be of service.
zsars
Robbie the Robot?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robby_the_Robot
Lost in Space?
http://www.lostinspacetv.com/ART/home/robotanim.gif
And just because:
http://www.the-robotman.com/
See, again I'm splitting hairs, but not acknowledging something implies
willful blindness to what exists. It doesn't exist, is my POV.
zsars
> "zsars" <zs...@joke.com> wrote in message
> news:568d2$48274129$25...@news.teranews.com...
>> Jim wrote:
>>> "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ad0c9975-f6d9-4473...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On May 10, 7:40 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
>>>>> "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country".
>>>>>
>>>>> A quote from the boy scout oath.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question then arises for pagan scouts as to which god?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are so many!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>> Why would you assume the pagan scouts use the BSA scout oath?
>>> This is the first time I have heard of the pagan scouts.
>>>
>>> Are they a part of the BSA?
>> Okay. Pause. If the BSA is God-centric, which it is, what is the answer?
>
>
> :-)
But to the BSA it isn't, so they would not sponsor a multiple choice
faction.
zsars
> "zsars" <zs...@joke.com> wrote in message
> news:2627a$4827596c$12...@news.teranews.com...
>> Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:
>>> On May 11, 7:40 am, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is the first time I have heard of the pagan scouts.
>>> OK -- so there are at least two people in this thread who had not
>>> heard of the pagan scouts before now, yet I have to have a "point"
>>> before I post a news article about them.
>>>
>>> I hope the "point" has been made.
>>>
>> I don't know how you deal with your garbage, but I don't want to read
>> about it even if it would be 'new information'.
>>
>> That's a point too.
>
>
> As an example, news groups like alt.religion druid provide me with hours and
> hours of smiles.
>
> All I have to do is turn over a rock and wait to see what crawls out.
>
> Pagan folk are so incredibly easy.
>
> :-)
>
> :-)
>
> :-)
You may have misread me Jim. I am an atheist. I inhabit ARW because I am
a witch. It's a matter of playing around with all that stuff that works
in spite of being unexplained. Bow and arrows were used effectively long
before the maths of trajectories were worked out.
Searles O'Dubhain
I find you to be a fellow seeker for truth even though your criteria and
methods might differ. Some don't seek truth at all but they do seek to
create their own illusions for (supposedly) entertainment.
People with high standards are to be admired while those who seek to abuse
and tear down the practices and belief of others for personal pleasure or
self aggrandizement are to be pitied if they can't be helped IMO.
In the past, I've been among those who required proof to believe and
experimental evidence, What I'm doing now is assimilating the unexpected
data and the metaphysical results. My life experiences and spiritual
awakenings have taught me that science is only as good as its theories,
instrumentation and experimental setups. Sometimes one has to go beyond the
inorganic sensation into realms of mystery to experiment. Of course, then
one is left with evaluating what was subjective and what was objective.
To me, the work of evaluation is religion and science. For others who try
it's probably different. For those who don't try or who have given up, it is
a shame.
Thanks for your clarity and your honesty. Some could take a lesson from you.
I know I have.
Searles O'Dubhain
Jim
<joerev...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Well it has always been the creationist/religionist folk vs. the rational
folk.
Get used to it. The argument has been going on for a very long time.
Jim
Legally speaking, the burden of proof lies with those who claim the creator
gods do exist.
:-)
Jim
Oh yes it is!!!!!!!
Jim
"Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhain@*comcast*.net> wrote in message
Says the moron who hangs his hat on the first supposition that come along.
>
> People with high standards are to be admired while those who seek to abuse
> and tear down the practices and belief of others for personal pleasure or
> self aggrandizement are to be pitied if they can't be helped IMO.
Atheist have higher standards than religionists! The do not go around
pushing false gods down everyones throat. And they never try to convert
others to their belief system via intimidation and slander like you do.
>
> In the past, I've been among those who required proof to believe and
> experimental evidence, What I'm doing now is assimilating the unexpected
> data and the metaphysical results. My life experiences and spiritual
> awakenings have taught me that science is only as good as its theories,
> instrumentation and experimental setups. Sometimes one has to go beyond
> the inorganic sensation into realms of mystery to experiment. Of course,
> then one is left with evaluating what was subjective and what was
> objective.
>
> To me, the work of evaluation is religion and science. For others who try
> it's probably different. For those who don't try or who have given up, it
> is a shame.
Rather than seeking the wise one simply resorts to self responsability.
>
> Thanks for your clarity and your honesty. Some could take a lesson from
> you. I know I have.
Swinging the butterfly net once again I see.
>
> Searles O'Dubhain
>
Noon-Air
The only questions I have about the whole concept are these.... There are
Boy Scouts, and Girl Scouts... Do Pagan Scouts allow both?? Do they have
co-ed tents on camping trips?? This soundls like it could be a lot of fun.
:-) Where were they when I was growing up??
Jim
The burning question thus remains, do they include the great rite on camping
trips?
:-)
Jim
> Midwinter wrote:
>> zsars <zs...@joke.com> said:
>>
>>> Most Christians are (at least outwardly) reasonable, and not JUST by
>>> their own lights.
>>>
>>> But many can be cowed by the more fervent. You can see that any and
>>> everywhere.
>>
>> You can, I agree entirely.
>>
>> But the question is whether there's then enough of them, proportionally
>> speaking, to surround anyone, and whether a high enough number of those
>> would want to do any surrounding.
>
> I was not simply referring to Christians, but to all who follow a faith.
> They are most definitely in the majority. As to whether they wish to
> surround, I can't say. By numbers they do, it's just a simple fact. I
> admit to putting it in an unflattering term. I still intend to use the
> term.
They certainly will simply do their utmost to intimidate and slander one who
is not of their faith.
Searles and Noinden are proven classic examples.
Jim
"Searles O'Dubhain" <odubhain@*comcast*.net> wrote in message
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>
I know it just kills you bible belt, fundamentalist druids that free
thinking infidels like my self exist, but get over it.
You need the crutch and never do I deny you that.
You really need to stop selling your religionist druidry door to door.
:-)
Fred Goodwin, CMA
>
> I don't know how you deal with your garbage, but I don't want
> to read about it even if it would be 'new information'.
Right -- tell me again who "made" you read this in the first place?
Fred Goodwin, CMA
>
> Is there a website where one can read about them?
Jim
> On May 11, 6:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a website where one can read about them?
>
> http://www.spiralscouts.org/
>
Thanks, I will take a look.