Introduction to Toteg Tribe
Joseph Bearwalker Wilson
We are an association of people who have chosen to affiliate under the
spiritual banner of Toteg Tribe, a modern spiritual and religious
movement based upon the shamanic visionary experiences of our members.
Like indigenous cultures all over the globe we do not separate our
spirituality from our families, our societies, or the land on which we
live. Therefore as members of the Tribe we give our devotion to the
Earth Mother and the Sky Father and to Their Children, the Spirits of
our lands and our peoples; and pay due respect to our ancestors
without whom we would not be.
Since we are not ancient Celts, Romans, Teutons, Egyptians, or members
of any other long dead culture we do not import the pantheons of those
peoples into our Tribal beliefs and practices. Likewise since we are
not American Indians (or any other indigenous culture) we neither
import nor lay claim to the customs or cosmology of those various
peoples.
We have no interest in convincing or converting people to our
movement, but instead are interested in attracting and associating
with others who have already discovered that they are willing to
listen and learn from themselves and the world. We are building, by
the principle of attraction, a spiritual community based on sameness
on shared difference that has a point of coming together -- a kind of
magnetism of ideas and spirit.
Our basic principles and ideals are expressed in the affirmations that
we have adopted:
We are Toteg Tribe.
We know that all things are children of the Earth Mother and Sky
Father, and thus we are all related.
We learn the lessons Mother Earth teaches us through the languages of
our brothers and sisters; all that breathes, swims, flies, moves,
grows, changes and exists.
We aspire to walk in balance on Mother Earth and live in harmony with
all that is.
We remember to speak with respect with all things.
We honor and respect all of our ancestors: physical, cultural, and
spiritual.
We listen with consideration to those who choose to share their wisdom
with us, and respect their rights to do so in their own way, in their
own time.
We invoke the power of spirit for our own dreams and visions for the
guidance of ourselves and our Tribe.
We respect your right to follow your own vision.
We seek to find correctness, good judgment, learning and knowledge in
all things.
We practice personal responsibility in our daily lives.
We are the Toteg Tribe.
To learn more about us please visit our web site at
http://www.toteg.com
-
Live in harmony,
Joseph Bearwalker Wilson
http://www.toteg.com
'Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; seek what they sought.'
Matsuo Basho (1644-1694)
Brenda G. Kent
Blessings
Bren.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you wish to become a witch of the Correllian
Nativist tradition?
Please click on the link at
http://www.witchschool.com/register.asp?affil=102
and you are on your way there!
For newbie and elder alike ...it is a great path.
I am very satisfied with this tradition.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rhyanon
else's idea!
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Jan
taking from indigenous practises. Saying that, it gives me reason to
think they probably are a decent group..
~Jan
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Rhyanon
to smear herself all over someone else's concept and lay claim to it that
she has no right to....
"Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jan
one claims it's from Cherokee and Scottish ways. I'm sure she is very
satisfied with this tradition, and thinks for newbie and elder
alike..it is a great path. Typical culture vulture.
~Jan
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Jani
dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels floating
in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get a
free bumper sticker.
Jani
naismith
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> I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating, the
> dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
> paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels floating
> in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
> three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get a
> free bumper sticker.
Since Blenda has no craft and no craft name, she must go by
what a Dineh would call her, "she-who-blends-superficial-lies",
roughly translated.
>
> Jani
>
> "Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4806bb2c.04041...@posting.google.com...
> > I was too, Bitch. Her new 'path' is Yet Another blend of things, this
> > one claims it's from Cherokee and Scottish ways. I'm sure she is very
> > satisfied with this tradition, and thinks for newbie and elder
> > alike..it is a great path. Typical culture vulture.
> >
> > ~Jan
> >
> > "Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
> news:<107ig5i...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > Oh, I'm sure. Whatevah, ya know? I'm commenting more on brenduh's
> tendency
> > > to smear herself all over someone else's concept and lay claim to it
> that
> > > she has no right to....
> > > > >
> > > > > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > > > > > Sounds like a wonderful path and Tribe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blessings
> > > > > > Bren.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you wish to become a fake witch of the Correllian
> > > > > > Nativist faux tradition?
> > > > > > For newbie and elder alike ...it is a false path.
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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| dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
| paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels floating
| in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
| three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get a
| free bumper sticker.
What do YOU believe, Jani?
Let's see if you can avoid one of your twisted obfuscations and actually
take the risk of giving a straight answer which may result in criticism.
Got the balls for that?
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
Legalize Freedom
http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft
© 2004 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved
Brenda G. Kent
> I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating, the
> dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
> paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels floating
> in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
> three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get a
> free bumper sticker.
>
> Jani
***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
unbending as many of the British
ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
gone from tribe to tribe
learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for a
medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit others.
There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full knowledge
of what construct they are within. Why not actually join in and learn
something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
about.
And as for Cuddles....I don't believe she would know a witch if it bit her
in the arse. She is so fearful.
Blessings
Bren.
ps.the woman who began the Correllian tradition was a Cherokee-Scot woman.
There was no vulturing of her training. She simply learned what she had
been taught by her own family. She then had training in the Aradian path
by an Aradian teacher.
Typical responses from people who dip a finger in a path and think they
know what it is all about. Read the whole history...from the main page of
Correllian Nativist Tradition and then form an opinion.
This is a alt. pagan group and no one should have to defend their own
faith. Sad that this sig is taken over by cowan and wannabes whose only
point in being here is to try and give digs to others faiths.
I know it may be hard in the ego to actual give others a chance...and it
may also be painful and fearful to actually NOT go with the mob mentality
but not everyone can be strong I suppose.
Bren.
Brenda G. Kent
>
> "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:407a5f73$0$3308$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> | I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating, the
> | dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
> | paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels floating
> | in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
> | three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get a
> | free bumper sticker.
>
> What do YOU believe, Jani?
> Let's see if you can avoid one of your twisted obfuscations and actually
> take the risk of giving a straight answer which may result in criticism.
> Got the balls for that?
>
>
***better for her to sit on the sidelines as she does in not even becoming
a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts as
well.
Bren.
theoneflasehaddock
>From: "Rhyanon" pis...@uberbitch.com
>Date: 4/11/2004 7:57 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <107ig5i...@corp.supernews.com>
>
>Oh, I'm sure. Whatevah, ya know? I'm commenting more on brenduh's tendency
>to smear herself all over someone else's concept and lay claim to it that
>she has no right to....
>
>"Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4806bb2c.04041...@posting.google.com...
>> I must say I'm very happy that they say in front that they are Not
>> taking from indigenous practises. Saying that, it gives me reason to
>> think they probably are a decent group..
>>
Decent group my ass. Wasn't this Joseph Bearwalker the same guy that supported
the Yronwodes and their war on ARW, and publishing of PI?
I feel sorry for anyone that joins. He is a kook.
-
>> ~Jan
>>
>>
>> "Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
>news:<107fojo...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> > Quick, whore! Make up another lameassed lie to lay false claim to
>someone
>> > else's idea!
>> >
>> > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
>> > > Sounds like a wonderful path and Tribe.
>> > >
>> > > Blessings
>> > > Bren.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > >
>> > > Do you wish to become a witch of the Correllian
>> > > Nativist tradition?
>> > > Please click on the link at
>> > > http://www.witchschool.com/register.asp?affil=102
>> > > and you are on your way there!
>> > > For newbie and elder alike ...it is a great path.
>> > > I am very satisfied with this tradition.
>> > >
>> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
theoneflasehaddock
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Bren.
*chuckle* Now, when have I instructed anyone in "how to be a witch" or
demanded that others lay out their belief system for criticism? You and
David do that, of your own volition, and that's why you're the butt of such
amusement and contempt.
And in answer to your question, David, my beliefs are my business. You
appear to have mastered "dare", but "do", "will" and particularly "keep
silence" seem to have whooshed right over your head.
Jani
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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***better for her to sit on the sidelines as she does in not even becoming
a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts as
well.
Seems a good point to pick up your "embracing satanism" then. Shall I repost
it, so you can remember whether you were "sitting on the sidelines" or not?
Jani
Sparrow's Wench
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>
> > I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating,
the
> > dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
> > paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
floating
> > in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
> > three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get
a
> > free bumper sticker.
> >
> > Jani
>
>
> ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
You appear to be the expert on that, if nothing else.
> The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
> unbending as many of the British
> ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> gone from tribe to tribe
> learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for a
> medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit others.
> There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full knowledge
> of what construct they are within.
Been reading nuage books? ROTFLMAO A Mystery Person is taught by his/her
Nation. You know, you really should post this over on alt.native. They'll
get a kick out of it. ;)
Why not actually join in and learn
> something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
> American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
> witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
> about.
Why not take your own advice? Oh yea...because no NDN would let you within
200 miles of a Ceremony, that's why.
> And as for Cuddles....I don't believe she would know a witch if it bit her
> in the arse. She is so fearful.
That your nick for yourself? Ahah...
> Blessings
> Bren.
How ironic.
> ps.the woman who began the Correllian tradition was a Cherokee-Scot woman.
> There was no vulturing of her training. She simply learned what she had
> been taught by her own family. She then had training in the Aradian path
> by an Aradian teacher.
Does her Nation even acknowledge her? Not surprised. Twinkies are avoided
like the plague in Native America. If she's doing a family thing, she
should be calling herself "fam-trad". Otherwise, she's a vulture, and even
YOU know that, much as you deny it.
> Typical responses from people who dip a finger in a path and think they
> know what it is all about. Read the whole history...from the main page of
> Correllian Nativist Tradition and then form an opinion.
You're one to speak! You who "dip a finger" in Native American Traditions
(via nuage books) and then try to lecture Jani about them? LOL You're a
freak, girlfriend. Who gives a rat's ass about some twinkie-wannabees
forming a for-profit bullshit school anyways? Just keep Native America OUT
of it.
> This is a alt. pagan group and no one should have to defend their own
> faith. Sad that this sig is taken over by cowan and wannabes whose only
> point in being here is to try and give digs to others faiths.
> I know it may be hard in the ego to actual give others a chance...and it
> may also be painful and fearful to actually NOT go with the mob mentality
> but not everyone can be strong I suppose.
This isn't faith. This is a blatant rip-off of various traditions, balled
up into a giant *pay-as-you-go* twink-fest. Faith has shit-squat to do with
Witchcraft. Faith is belief in Higher Powers, Witchcraft is manipulating
your world by your actions and will. You don't have to have faith to do
Witchcraft, and vice versa.
You just keep telling yourself how strong you are. While the rest of us
laugh at you.
Tegan
--
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter" ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
> Bren.
Sparrow's Wench
Brenda and her ilk will discover why sooner or later. ;)
Many Blessings,
Tegan
--
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter" ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Brenda G. Kent
> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Jani wrote:
> >
> > > I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating,
> the
> > > dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
> > > paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
> floating
> > > in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
> > > three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get
> a
> > > free bumper sticker.
> > >
> > > Jani
> >
> >
> > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
>
> You appear to be the expert on that, if nothing else.
*****proof?
>
> > The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
> > unbending as many of the British
> > ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> > gone from tribe to tribe
> > learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for a
> > medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> > different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit others.
> > There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full knowledge
> > of what construct they are within.
>
> Been reading nuage books? ROTFLMAO A Mystery Person is taught by his/her
> Nation. You know, you really should post this over on alt.native. They'll
> get a kick out of it. ;)
>
*****sorry but you're wrong. A medicine person gets taken to many other
medicine people around turtle island to get taught many different ways.
The medicine person's teacher is responsible for her/his training.
> Why not actually join in and learn
> > something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
> > American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
> > witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
> > about.
>
> Why not take your own advice? Oh yea...because no NDN would let you within
> 200 miles of a Ceremony, that's why.
*****gee...and yet I have been to many....weird.
>
> > And as for Cuddles....I don't believe she would know a witch if it bit her
> > in the arse. She is so fearful.
>
> That your nick for yourself? Ahah...
>
***No hon....Rhyanon aka Suzy aka bitch...
> > Blessings
> > Bren.
>
> > ps.the woman who began the Correllian tradition was a Cherokee-Scot woman.
> > There was no vulturing of her training. She simply learned what she had
> > been taught by her own family. She then had training in the Aradian path
> > by an Aradian teacher.
>
> Does her Nation even acknowledge her? Not surprised. Twinkies are avoided
> like the plague in Native America. If she's doing a family thing, she
> should be calling herself "fam-trad". Otherwise, she's a vulture, and even
> YOU know that, much as you deny it.
***Orpheis is dead and gone. She was working in the late 1800's into the
1900's. Her family was Cherokee and Scots as are many people in the
South-east states. She was taught in mainly the Cherokee way growing up.
She added her Scots way and then as she learnt Aradian witchcraft...she
added that. For the longest time it was known as Correllian Nativist. The
Wicca appellation came along quite a bit later.
>
> > Typical responses from people who dip a finger in a path and think they
> > know what it is all about. Read the whole history...from the main page of
> > Correllian Nativist Tradition and then form an opinion.
>
> You're one to speak! You who "dip a finger" in Native American Traditions
> (via nuage books) and then try to lecture Jani about them? LOL You're a
> freak, girlfriend. Who gives a rat's ass about some twinkie-wannabees
> forming a for-profit bullshit school anyways? Just keep Native America OUT
> of it.
****via nuage books? Sorry hon. I learnt about many native persons
cultures from native people themself. I also don't follow a native path
at all...so you are way out of the ball park there.She talked down a
Cherokee womans
path...I simply defended her as Jani has a very British-centric attitude
towards Wicca and Witchcraft...along with her snobbery. Twinkee wannabees?
ah...so schools and such are made out of thin-air? You can talk all you
want but it will always be just your opinion and nothing more.
>
> > This is a alt. pagan group and no one should have to defend their own
> > faith. Sad that this sig is taken over by cowan and wannabes whose only
> > point in being here is to try and give digs to others faiths.
> > I know it may be hard in the ego to actual give others a chance...and it
> > may also be painful and fearful to actually NOT go with the mob mentality
> > but not everyone can be strong I suppose.
>
> This isn't faith. This is a blatant rip-off of various traditions, balled
> up into a giant *pay-as-you-go* twink-fest. Faith has shit-squat to do with
> Witchcraft. Faith is belief in Higher Powers, Witchcraft is manipulating
> your world by your actions and will. You don't have to have faith to do
> Witchcraft, and vice versa.
****oh okay...so you can paint it all in one vast sweep because you saw
the dollar signs? Cynacism gets you no where. There is no blantant
rip-off...there are just folks like you who don't know what you are
talking about and hoping that others agree with you. NO one is forced to
pay anything....all is up to you. Who said it didn't have anything to do
with faith or witchcraft? Witchcraft is witchcraft and Wicca is
Wicca....and for some reason you feel a need to spew the bleedin obvious.
>
> You just keep telling yourself how strong you are. While the rest of us
> laugh at you.
>
****and if you need your mob.....then go ahead.....I've felt that the
schoolyard gang was pitiful from the get-go and a bunch of fearful folks
at that. Tsk.
> Tegan
>
Bren.
k
Brenda G. Kent
> I was told once, by a very Wise Woman, that you can't mix the Ways. Guess
> Brenda and her ilk will discover why sooner or later. ;)
>
> Many Blessings,
>
> Tegan
*****you thinking that the Ways are different...is where you fall short.
Wise woman eh? was her name
"ESMERELDA?!!!"
phhtttttt!.
Bren.
Sparrow's Wench
better? You more *evolved* and *enlightened* than a REAL Native American
Nation's Spiritual Leader? LOL
As for my friend, you're not worthy of kissing the ground she pees on.
You're a culture whore, and it shows in everything you write.
Tegan
--
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter" ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Sparrow's Wench
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>
> > >
> > > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
> >
> > You appear to be the expert on that, if nothing else.
>
> *****proof?
There's plenty you've left all over usenet. You're fun to Google. LOL
> > Been reading nuage books? ROTFLMAO A Mystery Person is taught by
his/her
> > Nation. You know, you really should post this over on alt.native.
They'll
> > get a kick out of it. ;)
> >
>
> *****sorry but you're wrong. A medicine person gets taken to many other
> medicine people around turtle island to get taught many different ways.
> The medicine person's teacher is responsible for her/his training.
Name one Nation that does this, and one BIA-carded person who teaches this.
> > Why not actually join in and learn
> > > something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
> > > American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
> > > witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
> > > about.
> >
> > Why not take your own advice? Oh yea...because no NDN would let you
within
> > 200 miles of a Ceremony, that's why.
>
> *****gee...and yet I have been to many....weird.
How much did you pay?
> > > And as for Cuddles....I don't believe she would know a witch if it bit
her
> > > in the arse. She is so fearful.
> >
> > That your nick for yourself? Ahah...
> >
>
> ***No hon....Rhyanon aka Suzy aka bitch...
I can't wait to see her rip you a new one. LOL You better stand by to
hide, chickenshit.
> > Does her Nation even acknowledge her? Not surprised. Twinkies are
avoided
> > like the plague in Native America. If she's doing a family thing, she
> > should be calling herself "fam-trad". Otherwise, she's a vulture, and
even
> > YOU know that, much as you deny it.
>
>
> ***Orpheis is dead and gone. She was working in the late 1800's into the
> 1900's. Her family was Cherokee and Scots as are many people in the
> South-east states. She was taught in mainly the Cherokee way growing up.
> She added her Scots way and then as she learnt Aradian witchcraft...she
> added that. For the longest time it was known as Correllian Nativist. The
> Wicca appellation came along quite a bit later.
Orpheis??? ROTFLMAO Okay, oh, I see. So this *tradition* is REAL old, so
it has credibility. Not just something created in the past couple of years
by someone to make some $$$. Okay, you say so. So, she's a founder of the
Cherokee-Scot-Princess-Wavingcrystalnuagetwinkiechickenwiccan-Tribe, huh?
LOL Gods, what a joke.
> > You're one to speak! You who "dip a finger" in Native American
Traditions
> > (via nuage books) and then try to lecture Jani about them? LOL You're
a
> > freak, girlfriend. Who gives a rat's ass about some twinkie-wannabees
> > forming a for-profit bullshit school anyways? Just keep Native America
OUT
> > of it.
>
> ****via nuage books? Sorry hon. I learnt about many native persons
> cultures from native people themself. I also don't follow a native path
> at all...so you are way out of the ball park there.She talked down a
> Cherokee womans
> path...I simply defended her as Jani has a very British-centric attitude
> towards Wicca and Witchcraft...along with her snobbery. Twinkee wannabees?
> ah...so schools and such are made out of thin-air? You can talk all you
> want but it will always be just your opinion and nothing more.
Why were you learning about NDN culture if you don't follow the path of your
purported teachers? You make no sense at all. Yep, twinkie wannabees. If
the name fits, the *school* wears it. That's not a school, it's a money
fest. You're nuts if you think anyone should PAY for that kind of
Knowledge. It's EARNED, not bought. No different than those "Lucky Mojo"
freaks, imo. So now you're also telling me what Jani feels and thinks.
Damn, you're good! Fucking twink. And, thank you, I fully intend to talk
all I want to until you bore me. Which won't be much longer. No wonder
alt.native handed you your ass on a plate. You're too funny, and yet quite
pathetic, all at the same time! LOL
> > This isn't faith. This is a blatant rip-off of various traditions,
balled
> > up into a giant *pay-as-you-go* twink-fest. Faith has shit-squat to do
with
> > Witchcraft. Faith is belief in Higher Powers, Witchcraft is
manipulating
> > your world by your actions and will. You don't have to have faith to do
> > Witchcraft, and vice versa.
>
> ****oh okay...so you can paint it all in one vast sweep because you saw
> the dollar signs? Cynacism gets you no where. There is no blantant
> rip-off...there are just folks like you who don't know what you are
> talking about and hoping that others agree with you. NO one is forced to
> pay anything....all is up to you. Who said it didn't have anything to do
> with faith or witchcraft? Witchcraft is witchcraft and Wicca is
> Wicca....and for some reason you feel a need to spew the bleedin obvious.
The way *I* was taught is you don't buy or sell the Sacred. So that, in MY
eyes, makes this a twink outfit, at best. Yeah, dingbat, I don't know what
I'm talking about. That hurts coming from one as wise and knowledgeable as
yourself. *sob, sob...cry, cry* Who said I was a cynic? I just know
bullshit when I see it. Most people do ('cept you, of course). I wasn't
sure if you knew the difference between Witchcraft and Wicca since you say
all Paths are the same and other such crystal-twinkie-nuage shit. You're
not exactly a *master* of the obvious from what I've read of you, so wasn't
sure if you needed the big fat crayons to read the picture. Okay, why don't
you call me a cowan now, since it seems to be your word of the week?
> > You just keep telling yourself how strong you are. While the rest of us
> > laugh at you.
> >
>
> ****and if you need your mob.....then go ahead.....I've felt that the
> schoolyard gang was pitiful from the get-go and a bunch of fearful folks
> at that. Tsk.
ROTFLMAO You're a funny woman. And you must be the most fearless person on
usenet to boot. You keep calling everyone else fearful. What should we be
afraid of? Your all-powerful twinkiness? *shudders*
Tegan
--
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter" ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
> Bren.
> k
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
Nice to see you back. You have such power over this group.
I hope you hang around for a while
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
Heh! You got THAT right!
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
All to true. She never says *anything* for fear it could draw criticism and
illustrate what a fraud she is. It is always "do your homework" or "you
should know better" but never what the homework says or what one should know
better than.
I don't expect much from Jani and she never disappoints me
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
Legalize Freedom
http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft
Š 2004 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
You are the one who sits on the sidelines, which is exactly where you belong
You are definitely not a player
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
|
| "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
| news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
No surprise there. You are nothing but a fart- you make noise and raise a
stink but you have ni substance and, after a moment, you are forgotten
| And in answer to your question, David, my beliefs are my business. You
| appear to have mastered "dare", but "do", "will" and particularly "keep
| silence" seem to have whooshed right over your head.
I knew you did not have the balls for it. You are a coward, Jani, a gutless,
ball-less contemptable little coward
naismith
> "Sparrow's Wench: wrote:
> > "Blenda G. Kult" wrote:
> > > "Jani" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more
nauseating,
> > the
> > > > dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits
of
> > > > paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
> > floating
> > > > in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more
than
> > > > three references to totally different trads into your craft name you
get
> > a
> > > > free bumper sticker.
> > > >
> > > > Jani
> > >
> > > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
> >
> > You appear to be the expert on that, if nothing else.
>
> *****proof?
Blenda's own posts provide that evidence.
>
> > > The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
> > > unbending as many of the British
> > > ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> > > gone from tribe to tribe
> > > learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for
a
> > > medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> > > different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit
others.
> > > There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full
knowledge
> > > of what construct they are within.
> >
> > Been reading nuage books? ROTFLMAO A Mystery Person is taught by
his/her
> > Nation. You know, you really should post this over on alt.native.
They'll
> > get a kick out of it. ;)
>
> *****sorry but you're wrong.
No, she isn't wrong. What a medicine person does after being trained
within their own tribe is of no concern to such as Br**da, who is not one.
> A medicine person gets taken to many other
> medicine people around turtle island to get taught many different ways.
"Gets taken"? Blenda apparently huffs paint thinner.
> The medicine person's teacher is responsible for her/his training.
'The sun is bright to look at'.
>
> > > Why not actually join in and learn
> > > something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
> > > American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
> > > witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
> > > about.
> >
> > Why not take your own advice? Oh yea...because no NDN would let you
within
> > 200 miles of a Ceremony, that's why.
>
> *****gee...and yet I have been to many....weird.
Many what - tourist shows or pseudo-native "ceremonies"
put on for dabbler-tourists like Br**da? Is this where Blenda
makes false claims as to attending closed tribal Ceremonies?
>
> > > Blendings
> > > Bren.
>
> > > ps.the woman who began the Correllian tradition was a Cherokee-Scot
woman.
> > > There was no vulturing of her training. She simply learned what she
had
> > > been taught by her own family. She then had training in the Aradian
path
> > > by an Aradian teacher.
> >
> > Does her Nation even acknowledge her? Not surprised. Twinkies are
avoided
> > like the plague in Native America. If she's doing a family thing, she
> > should be calling herself "fam-trad". Otherwise, she's a vulture, and
even
> > YOU know that, much as you deny it.
> ***She added her Scots way and then as she learnt Aradian witchcraft...she
> added that. For the longest time it was known as Correllian Nativist. The
> Wicca appellation came along quite a bit later.
She added this and added that ... no wonder you approve of her
blendings, Blenda. "Adding" those things to any Cherokee ways
makes them something other than what the traditional Cherokee did.
That's why she called her hodge-podge "Correllian" but, nativist? No.
> >
> > > Typical responses from people who dip a finger in a path and think
they
> > > know what it is all about. Read the whole history...from the main page
of
> > > Correllian Nativist Tradition and then form an opinion.
> >
> > You're one to speak! You who "dip a finger" in Native American
Traditions
> > (via nuage books) and then try to lecture Jani about them? LOL You're
a
> > freak, girlfriend. Who gives a rat's ass about some twinkie-wannabees
> > forming a for-profit bullshit school anyways? Just keep Native America
OUT
> > of it.
>
> ****via nuage books? Sorry hon. I learnt about many native persons
> cultures from native people themself.
Oh no, not the 'dreaded' Blenda pseudo-condesension! Which "native"
persons will she pretend to have learned this nonsense from now?
> I also don't follow a native path at all...
Excellent, then Blenda will now cease pretending to be a "sacred clown",
"trickster", or "ravening" as she lied about doing before?
> >
> > > ***This is a alt. pagan group
Which Blenda trolls, shamelessly - like a mosquito.
>
> > Tegan
> >
> Bren.
> k
Jan
have a feeling that it's probably growing like a culture in a dish.
Grrr..
~Jan
"Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message news:<407a5f73$0$3308$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com>...
zayton
> have a feeling that it's probably growing like a culture in a dish.
>
> Grrr..
>
> ~Jan
For some reason I keep reading the Subject line as "Toe Tag Tribe" and
momentarily envisioning this morgue scene.
Joe
naismith
>
> For some reason I keep reading the Subject line as "Toe Tag Tribe" and
> momentarily envisioning this morgue scene.
>
> Joe
>
There's even less difference between "Toteg" and 'totebag', Joe.
Trevor
Jan
[snip]
> >"Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4806bb2c.04041...@posting.google.com...
> >> I must say I'm very happy that they say in front that they are Not
> >> taking from indigenous practises. Saying that, it gives me reason to
> >> think they probably are a decent group..
> >>
>
> Decent group my ass. Wasn't this Joseph Bearwalker the same guy that supported
> the Yronwodes and their war on ARW, and publishing of PI?
>
> I feel sorry for anyone that joins. He is a kook.
>
Is he? I remember the PI and the war last year, but I wasn't paying
so much attention.
Is Joseph Bearwalker a new agey guru - the spritual weekends in the
woods for sale kind?
~Jan
Jan
That's funny from you, Bren. How many religions have you claimed to
be a follower of now? And an expert in after you read a surface
description?
~Jan
Jan
Is she still a xian witch, or has she moved on from that after arguing
with the Christians in their group?
~Jan
Jan
> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
I'm not sure what either of them actually believe in, but it's a dead
cert that both of them are an insult to any belief system or religion
they claim.
~Jan
naismith
> "Jani" wrote:
> > "Brenda G. Kent" wrote:
> >
> > *** nothing of note ***.
> >
> > Seems a good point to pick up your "embracing satanism" then. Shall I
repost
> > it, so you can remember whether you were "sitting on the sidelines" or
not?
> >
> > Jani
>
> Is she still a xian witch, or has she moved on from that after arguing
> with the Christians in their group?
No, Blenda has claimed to be "a christian And a witch And a correllian
wiccan And a theosophist [emphasis upon the 'sophist'] And a "trickster"
type of satanist", among other false claims. Note Blenda's usage of "and"
to pile one type of superficiality upon the other.
>
> ~Jan
TN
Rhyanon
"naismith" <t_nai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c5g127$16i4v$1...@ID-49403.news.uni-berlin.de...
All she needs to add is "that" to her ''and's'' -- "and that" will make her
sound just like our other local whacko!
>
> >
> > ~Jan
> TN
>
>
Rhyanon
'cowan' -- yet another empty, meaningless scrap of hypocrisy to add to the
heap she has made.
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Jani wrote:
>
> > I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating,
the
> > dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits of
> > paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
floating
> > in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more than
> > three references to totally different trads into your craft name you get
a
> > free bumper sticker.
> >
> > Jani
>
>
> ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
>
> The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
> unbending as many of the British
> ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> gone from tribe to tribe
> learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for a
> medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit others.
> There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full knowledge
> of what construct they are within. Why not actually join in and learn
> something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
> American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
> witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
> about.
> And as for Cuddles....I don't believe she would know a witch if it bit her
> in the arse. She is so fearful.
>
> Blessings
> Bren.
>
> ps.the woman who began the Correllian tradition was a Cherokee-Scot woman.
> There was no vulturing of her training. She simply learned what she had
> been taught by her own family. She then had training in the Aradian path
> by an Aradian teacher.
>
> Typical responses from people who dip a finger in a path and think they
> know what it is all about. Read the whole history...from the main page of
> Correllian Nativist Tradition and then form an opinion.
> This is a alt. pagan group and no one should have to defend their own
> faith. Sad that this sig is taken over by cowan and wannabes whose only
> point in being here is to try and give digs to others faiths.
> I know it may be hard in the ego to actual give others a chance...and it
> may also be painful and fearful to actually NOT go with the mob mentality
> but not everyone can be strong I suppose.
>
> Bren.
Rhyanon
--
WAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rhyanon
old holes I tore into her !!
"Sparrow's Wench" <sa...@thecaribbean.com> wrote in message
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Rhyanon
"zayton" <zay...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Rhyanon
terribly sorry for the joiners, as they likely tend to be culture whores
like brenduh.
"theoneflasehaddock" <oneflas...@aol.comfuckoff> wrote in message
news:20040412135613...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Introduction to Toteg Tribe
> >From: "Rhyanon" pis...@uberbitch.com
> >Date: 4/11/2004 7:57 AM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <107ig5i...@corp.supernews.com>
> >
> >Oh, I'm sure. Whatevah, ya know? I'm commenting more on brenduh's
tendency
> >to smear herself all over someone else's concept and lay claim to it
that
> >she has no right to....
> >
> >"Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4806bb2c.04041...@posting.google.com...
> >> I must say I'm very happy that they say in front that they are Not
> >> taking from indigenous practises. Saying that, it gives me reason to
> >> think they probably are a decent group..
> >>
>
> Decent group my ass. Wasn't this Joseph Bearwalker the same guy that
supported
> the Yronwodes and their war on ARW, and publishing of PI?
>
> I feel sorry for anyone that joins. He is a kook.
>
> -
>
>
>
> >> ~Jan
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
> >news:<107fojo...@corp.supernews.com>...
> >> > Quick, whore! Make up another lameassed lie to lay false claim to
> >someone
> >> > else's idea!
> >> >
> >> > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> >> > > Sounds like a wonderful path and Tribe.
> >> > >
> >> > > Blessings
> >> > > Bren.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > >
> >> > > Do you wish to become a witch of the Correllian
> >> > > Nativist tradition?
> >> > > Please click on the link at
> >> > > http://www.witchschool.com/register.asp?affil=102
> >> > > and you are on your way there!
> >> > > For newbie and elder alike ...it is a great path.
> >> > > I am very satisfied with this tradition.
> >> > >
> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> theoneflasehaddock
Jani
"The Cunning Linguist :Ş" <the_wi...@XyahooX.com> wrote in message
news:BWIec.86606$4B1....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
Forgotten? no. But at least I'm not remembered only for fakery and verbal
flatulence, as you and bwenduh are ...
>
> | And in answer to your question, David, my beliefs are my business. You
> | appear to have mastered "dare", but "do", "will" and particularly "keep
> | silence" seem to have whooshed right over your head.
>
> I knew you did not have the balls for it. You are a coward, Jani, a
gutless,
> ball-less contemptable little coward
As I said, keeping silent is not something you've ever grasped, is it?
Whether it's blazoning your personal life (I do use the term "life" loosely
here, you understand) over Usenet, or burbling your meagre gleanings of
craft in an attempt to seem knowledgeable, or spouting venomous froth when
you can't bully or bluster what you want out of people - you just can't keep
a lid on it. Control, David. In all that you do, let control be your
watchword ;)
Was that why you got thrown out of Wicca, by the way? Or did they recognise
your lack of innate ability early on, and get rid of you *before* your
flapping mouth could cause any real damage?
Jani
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"zzzzzzzzzzz naismith" <t_nai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c5fvmb$12r4e$1...@ID-49403.news.uni-berlin.de...
So grab yours and get out, dickless
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
| If a certain Someone couldn't mix them, what makes YOU think you know
| better? You more *evolved* and *enlightened* than a REAL Native American
| Nation's Spiritual Leader? LOL
|
| As for my friend, you're not worthy of kissing the ground she pees on.
| You're a culture whore, and it shows in everything you write.
And who the fuck are you, Pocahontas?
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
Dunno but you are a perpetual idiot
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
| Awwww, how cuuuuute! bwenduh must be emailing fOt, she leanred a new word,
| 'cowan' -- yet another empty, meaningless scrap of hypocrisy to add to
the
| heap she has made.
Shut the fuck up, cowan
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
No, to do that she would have to say "stoopid" and "pr0n"
Jani
"cowan", but if you bleat "we are all One and bwenduh's a reel priestess",
you get cotton candy and your very own fluffy-bunny glitter dust dispenser.
It *is* cute, isn't it? :)
Jani
"Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
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Jani
immensely entertaining so far ...
Bwenduh the blender instructs Tegan in native ways .... dear, dear *chuckle*
Jani
"Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
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theoneflasehaddock
>Date: 4/12/2004 9:52 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <107mlfv...@corp.supernews.com>
>
>"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
>> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Sparrow's Wench wrote:
>>
>> > >
>> > > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
>> >
>> > You appear to be the expert on that, if nothing else.
>>
>> *****proof?
>
Are you kidding? She provides so much stupidity, it's impossible just to keep
up, let alone read the back issues.
-
theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca>...
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Sparrow's Wench wrote:
>
> > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Jani wrote:
>
> >
> > > The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
> > > unbending as many of the British
> > > ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> > > gone from tribe to tribe
> > > learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for a
> > > medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> > > different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit others.
> > > There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full knowledge
> > > of what construct they are within.
> >
> > Been reading nuage books? ROTFLMAO A Mystery Person is taught by his/her
> > Nation. You know, you really should post this over on alt.native. They'll
> > get a kick out of it. ;)
> >
>
> *****sorry but you're wrong. A medicine person gets taken to many other
> medicine people around turtle island to get taught many different ways.
> The medicine person's teacher is responsible for her/his training.
>
Just wanted to say hello to alt.native, let you know this kook Brenda
is STILL at it in alt.pagan. Hope someone gets a laugh out of this.
-
theoneflasehaddock
theoneflasehaddock
>
> No surprise there. You are nothing but a fart- you make noise and raise a
> stink but you have ni substance and, after a moment, you are forgotten
Farts release methane gas. While appearing not to be anything of
substance, they actually contain more substance than your writings.
>
> I knew you did not have the balls for it. You are a coward, Jani, a gutless,
> ball-less contemptable little coward
What in an insult to be coming from someone who is so afraid that
after he buys drugs, he gives them to hamsters because he's afraid
he'll do us all a favor and kill himself with an overdose if he takes
them himself.
-
theoneflasehaddock
Brenda G. Kent
> If a certain Someone couldn't mix them, what makes YOU think you know
> better? You more *evolved* and *enlightened* than a REAL Native American
> Nation's Spiritual Leader? LOL
>
***pretty racist. You think that being a REAL N.A. Spiritual leader makes
one better than another...due to their race? Sad. Medicine people the
world over find different ways to the same end. There is a Union of
differences that many medicine people adhere to. With or without the N.A.
appellation....to their name...medicine people follow a similar
path...white,NDN,Asian etc. If you know of what you speak...if you are
actually following a medicine path (NDN or not) then you will recognize
what I speak about.
Race has nothing to do with medicine. Vulturing someones culture is a
totally different thing that comes from outside an inner way. Medicine
folk the world over know the difference between someone vulturing a
culture and those walking a medicine path.
You simply see a woman who has announced herself as Cherokee and
Scots...and grow alarmed. Believe me hon in North America there are many
mixed people of F.Nations and white heritage. They don't go around
following "Wicca" books from stores if their own culture provides them
with enough. Your saying "they would say their were a Fam-trad!" speaks of
your ignorance of people outside the white pagan world. Not all family
trads...say "I'm in a Fam-trad!" That speaks more of a British way than an
NDN way.
So one woman you know says "don't mix the ways"....well whoop de do! There
are a lot of opinions out there....and there are a lot of mixed paths like
Santeria too....are you gonna tell me they are wrong for doing what they
do? Witches debate a shit load of things. They don't all agree to your
opinion. Your need to say "we'll laugh at you" shows a lack of wisdom from
the get-go....needing to laugh at others and form little cliques to
bolster your own strength. You could not stand on your own if you needed
to. Prove me wrong.
> As for my friend, you're not worthy of kissing the ground she pees on.
> You're a culture whore, and it shows in everything you write.
>
****and you show a total lack of wisdom...but will get better as you grow.
My own family background is Cornish,Welsh,Scots-Irish,German and Cherokee
and I can follow my way....as you can follow yours.
If you think it's progressive or "right" to put down anothers faith or
path...then you put yourself in the same light as any other fundamentalist
and that is a dim one.
> Tegan
Brenda G. Kent
> Hi Brenda
>
> Nice to see you back. You have such power over this group.
> I hope you hang around for a while
>
Thanks Talesin. I've never really gone. I just pop in now and again
whenever I think there are interesting posts. Seems to be S.N.A.F.U
still.
Have a good one...
Bren.
Brenda G. Kent
>
> "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:407b2c3f$0$3301$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> |
> | "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> | news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> |
> | ***better for her to sit on the sidelines as she does in not even becoming
> | a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts as
> | well.
> |
> | Seems a good point to pick up your "embracing satanism" then. Shall I
> repost
> | it, so you can remember whether you were "sitting on the sidelines" or
> not?
>
> You are the one who sits on the sidelines, which is exactly where you belong
> You are definitely not a player
>
****there's something pathetic about someone who has all her links and
posts already to pull up to back her. Problem with Jani is she assumes
everything about you without knowing shit-all about you...then she makes
it worse by getting angrier and angrier if you don't agree with her. She
then alludes to her "witch friends" as if that proves all....and thinks
the British way is all there is. If she got out from all her texts and
links and books etc. and actually lived the path.....she could talk from a
good position...but all she seems to want to do is tell other folks how to
do it right (aka what she reads in books or gets told to by some friends).
I sit here thinking....this woman...a total Cowan....and she is telling me
how to be a witch? shiiiiiiiite!
She still doesn't understand me to this day...still talking about posting
up the embrace Satanism thread as some sort of point for her when she
never got
what I was talking about in the first place. She reminds me of a
fundamentalist...a literalist forever in the outer circle.
Through it all though....believe what you will....I can't hate others...I
find it hard to....she's got her own opinion and like assholes we all have
them...and I love her for that...but it is her pushing her one-way-isms on
everyone else that irks me.
I'm thinking Barney Fife here...with a how-to book.
Gods bless us all ...we're all learning.
Bren.
Brenda G. Kent
>
> "Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4806bb2c.04041...@posting.google.com...
> > It totally disgusts me..it's such an obvious con. And you know, I
> > have a feeling that it's probably growing like a culture in a dish.
> >
> > Grrr..
> >
> > ~Jan
****heh...typical. Assume without checking it out. I had the same
suspicions..but they were blown away when I embraced the teachings of this
particular tradition. I simply took the next step....anyone can.
Heh..disgusts him! he that slobbers over Cuddles who can't put two words
together unless they insult someone...and THIS he finds disgusting! what a
laugh. I am seeing vigilent white liberal guilt written all over....after
all...it's the politically correct thing to do. Ontop of it he is putting
down a whole tradition that has been going for over a century because he
assumes. Does he know of how much work goes into the tradition? does he
know about the one on one mentoring..the paper work...the charity
work....hell...the WORK that has gone into bringing this path to the
masses? Does he no that it costs as little as 14.00 bucks to continue onto
a second and third degree? less than the cost of many pagan books out
there? Does it matter to him that the tradition was started by a woman of
Cherokee and Scots mixed background? Nope...he just sees the money
asking...and the NDN reference and his liberal fanny clenches. Can we get
that stick out? ten people pulling on a pair of tweezers might work....
Jan...you are a funny guy...
>
> For some reason I keep reading the Subject line as "Toe Tag Tribe" and
> momentarily envisioning this morgue scene.
***heh...yeah..it sounded like that to me as well.
>
> Joe
>
>
Blessings
Bren.
Brenda G. Kent
*****I see a lot of children laughing at their parents on how stupid they
are too.
You guys are hilarious. Oh we're a little group on usenet and we are tough
and know all......LOL!!!
Meanwhile folks who come on here and want to be friendly and share get
pushed down the gauntlet as some sort of "test" whereby one figures...why
do I want to be accepted by this lot? ....the ones more clever than
I....just leave and go to another group whilst some in this group rub
hands gleefully and state "ooh I made her leave...or I made her cwy!" It's
really pathetic that people who supposedly are in their twenties to
fifties are still acting like snot-nosed kids playing bully on the
schoolyard grounds. Meanwhile here I visit.....because I'm an optimist and
hope to see some actual witches worth their salt visit here. Still haven't
found many real ones...just people who like to dress up in black..sit on
thier asses with a smoke hangin from thier lips....scratch their backsides
and pretend to play pagan. The snobby fundies are the worst lot and the
ones that suckle up to Cuddles are even sadder.....please don't put me
down Cuddles? I'm your friend!!! whimper whimper whine whine....
What's even funnier is how my name can cause so much ruckus..especially
with Trevor..."oh dear why doesn't she respond to me!"
whinnnnnnnnnnnne....
Poor boy had it in for me ever since I refused to colour in the lines and
he had to put on his best D&D mask and go tell on me!
LOL!
I see them as cowering snivelling sad little poppets....not knowing love
unless it hit them in the face...not knowing their own faults
....ditto....not accepting that a person can take their crap and still
love them to pieces. Oh Brenda or the ever popular Bwenduh (we're dealing
with real "adults" here folks...tch)must be hating us back because that is
how it works. How wrong they are.
--
Sparrow's Wench
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>
> > If a certain Someone couldn't mix them, what makes YOU think you know
> > better? You more *evolved* and *enlightened* than a REAL Native
American
> > Nation's Spiritual Leader? LOL
> >
>
> ***pretty racist. You think that being a REAL N.A. Spiritual leader makes
> one better than another...due to their race?
Kripes, your reading comprehension certainly needs some remedial work. How
do you get "racist" out of what I wrote? YES, a REAL Spiritual LEADER is
better than YOU. Once again, you make me use the big crayons. =(
>Sad.
You are. At last, we agree on something!
Medicine people the
> world over find different ways to the same end. There is a Union of
> differences that many medicine people adhere to. With or without the N.A.
> appellation....to their name...medicine people follow a similar
> path...white,NDN,Asian etc. If you know of what you speak...if you are
> actually following a medicine path (NDN or not) then you will recognize
> what I speak about.
You're totally twinkified. You probably tell Dancers how *cute* their
outfits are. I got a post for you I'll put up in a few minutes. I'll even
put your name on the header, so you know it's for you. ;)
> Race has nothing to do with medicine. Vulturing someones culture is a
> totally different thing that comes from outside an inner way. Medicine
> folk the world over know the difference between someone vulturing a
> culture and those walking a medicine path.
Um...what the hell are you trying to say here? Are you trying to be deep or
something? :O
> You simply see a woman who has announced herself as Cherokee and
> Scots...and grow alarmed.
Once again, you misread the cues. Big surprise.
Believe me hon in North America there are many
> mixed people of F.Nations and white heritage.
Well Deeeeerrrrrr
They don't go around
> following "Wicca" books from stores if their own culture provides them
> with enough. Your saying "they would say their were a Fam-trad!" speaks of
> your ignorance of people outside the white pagan world. Not all family
> trads...say "I'm in a Fam-trad!" That speaks more of a British way than an
> NDN way.
I'm sure there are others here who will address your assertion on Fam-trads.
As for NDN Ways, wtf do you really KNOW about them at all? All of them are
different, no matter what your nuage friends have told you. But, I do find
it utterly fascinating how you know what everyone does in regards to
religion and/or magic. Truly amazing.
> So one woman you know says "don't mix the ways"....well whoop de do!
LOL See, there's but *one* of the differences between you and I. I don't
change my Path, or my Teacher, at the drop of a dollar.
There
> are a lot of opinions out there....and there are a lot of mixed paths like
> Santeria too....are you gonna tell me they are wrong for doing what they
> do?
Hmmm...I have an acquaintance who is a Santero Priest. I should ask him
about his *mixed* Path... Yeah, imo, they're wrong.
Witches debate a shit load of things. They don't all agree to your
> opinion.
ROTFLMAO And you just accused *me* of schoolyard gang/bully tactics? LOL!
You're just a perpetual victim, aren't you. (see below for more) Yeah, so
they do debate things. What's your point? They don't go around pretending
to be something they're not.
Your need to say "we'll laugh at you" shows a lack of wisdom from
> the get-go....needing to laugh at others and form little cliques to
> bolster your own strength. You could not stand on your own if you needed
> to. Prove me wrong.
It wasn't a need, it was an observation. Please do *try* to keep up? I see
no one forming a "clique" here. Only people who deride you for your obtuse,
condescending ramblings. I'm merely one of them who happened to notice all
the others.
> > As for my friend, you're not worthy of kissing the ground she pees on.
> > You're a culture whore, and it shows in everything you write.
> >
>
> ****and you show a total lack of wisdom...
From you, I take that as a high compliment.
>but will get better as you grow.
Oh, goody! Something to strive for. LOL
> My own family background is Cornish,Welsh,Scots-Irish,German and Cherokee
> and I can follow my way....as you can follow yours.
Well, gee, thank you ever so. You know, I wonder how come everyone's
Cherokee? Must have been a BUSY Nation...or the only one wannabees can
spell.
> If you think it's progressive or "right" to put down anothers faith or
> path...then you put yourself in the same light as any other fundamentalist
> and that is a dim one.
Speaking of "dim", you certainly aren't the brightest bulb in the box. I
never did "put down" a "faith" or "path". I put down people who charge $$$$
for things that have NO price tag on them. You JUST DON'T GET IT. So, go
on...Keep wondering how come your *magic* never works. Keep wondering why,
no matter how much you pay or how hard you study your paid-for *lessons*,
you still don't understand. Keep mindlessly mouthing the words they put on
your tongue. Keep pretending you have Visions of greatness and Knowledge.
None of it can be bought or sold. Only paid for in flesh. Your own. Now
go wave some turkey feathers, hold your "talking stick", beat some drums,
dance in a circle. Tell me, what can you do? What do the Spirits do
through you? 'Cause it never was, or is, about YOU. Do you, at least,
understand that much?
SW
Sparrow's Wench
about money? For $14.00 you can get a degree. Wow, what a claim to fame
that is.
SW
--
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
matter" ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, The Cunning Linguist :Ţ wrote:
>
> "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:407b2c3f$0$3301$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> |
> | "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> | news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> |
> | ***better for her to sit on the sidelines as she does in not even
becoming
> | a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts
as
> | well.
> |
> | Seems a good point to pick up your "embracing satanism" then. Shall I
> repost
> | it, so you can remember whether you were "sitting on the sidelines" or
> not?
>
> You are the one who sits on the sidelines, which is exactly where you
belong
> You are definitely not a player
How odd. OE has suddenly decided not to show >s in this post of bwenduh's
.. any of the geeks care to offer an opinion why that might be? *chuckle*
Never mind, for the benefit of new readers, I'll make it clear who said
what....
>>****there's something pathetic about someone who has all her links and
posts already to pull up to back her.
Ah, now that one you should take up with Raven Solaria, who took about ten
seconds to demonstrate that your claims to status were, ahem, inaccurate at
best. I, and others, merely balked at both your dishonesty and your attempts
to pretend that such dishonesty was an integral part of pagan or native
practices.
>>Problem with Jani is she assumes
everything about you without knowing shit-all about you...then she makes
it worse by getting angrier and angrier if you don't agree with her.
Well, I'm looking at that and wondering how on earth it relates to any of my
posts .. did you intend to post it to Pastor Dave, or someone, and got your
cut-and-pastes mixed up?
>>She
then alludes to her "witch friends" as if that proves all....and thinks
the British way is all there is.
Aw, bwenduh, and you *know* one of my best mates is an American Catholic.
"British way"? "witch friends"? Heheh.
>>If she got out from all her texts and
links and books etc. and actually lived the path.....she could talk from a
good position...but all she seems to want to do is tell other folks how to
do it right (aka what she reads in books or gets told to by some friends).
Hmm. As I recall, all I've ever said is related to basic structures and
principles of learning *any* path. I don't recall haranguing christians and
pagans alike because they don't happen to follow a newage one-true-way-ism -
that would be your job.
>>I sit here thinking....this woman...a total Cowan....and she is telling me
how to be a witch? shiiiiiiiite!
As far as that goes, I have no problem with your silliness and play-acting.
My objection is to your presenting yourself as a witch and/or a pagan on
other newsgroups, where there is no-one else to point out that you are
hardly a representative example.
>>She still doesn't understand me to this day...still talking about posting
up the embrace Satanism thread as some sort of point for her when she
never got
what I was talking about in the first place.
I was very interested in what you were talking about. I merely asked if you
embraced the concept of Satanism, or Satanism itself. It was hardly a
difficult question, given that you had already hurled yourself into
definitions of Satanism with much enthusiasm, and I was quite surprised when
you ran away from a very simple question as to what you meant by "embracing
Satanism".
>>She reminds me of a
fundamentalist...a literalist forever in the outer circle.
*chuckle* Of course. Which "Book", exactly, am I supposed to be taking
literally? You'll excuse me if I don't include the voices in your head as a
"book", even though you insist on imposing them on people with far more
fervour that most book-religionists do ....
>>Through it all though....believe what you will....I can't hate others...I
find it hard to....she's got her own opinion and like assholes we all have
them...and I love her for that...but it is her pushing her one-way-isms on
everyone else that irks me.
Oh, dear, what happened to your dissolving ego, bwenduh? Still getting irked
and angry and sitting there banging out "shiiiite!" on the keyboard?
Deep breath, poppet. Focus on smearing love'n'blessings. Haven't you got a
"love ya hon! Praying for ya!" email to write?
Jani
Jani
"The Cunning Linguist :Ş" <the_wi...@XyahooX.com> wrote in message
>
> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
>
> >
> > "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> > | I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more nauseating,
> the
> > | dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits
of
> > | paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
> floating
> > | in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more
than
> > | three references to totally different trads into your craft name you
get
> a
> > | free bumper sticker.
> >
> > Let's see if you can avoid one of your twisted obfuscations and actually
> > take the risk of giving a straight answer which may result in criticism.
> > Got the balls for that?
> >
> >
> a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts as
> well.
>
>
and
> illustrate what a fraud she is. It is always "do your homework" or "you
> should know better" but never what the homework says or what one should
know
> better than.
> I don't expect much from Jani and she never disappoints me
Aw, but David, a second-degree Alexandrian (coughcough) wouldn't have been
blustering and complaining about the "homework" comments in the first
place - and certainly not about a reluctance to post publicly, even in
guarded terms, about the issues in question :) There are a few people here
who can say a great deal behind what they actually say. You just have a big
mouth, and that's it.
Jani
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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[]
the WORK that has gone into bringing this path to the
> masses?
Apparently addle-pated, envious, always-on-the-outside bwenduh has finally
found her niche. "Bringing the path to the masses".
I can't actually comment on that, without Godwinning the thread. However, I
will say that it proves that the traditional practice of looking after the
village idiot, rather than letting them loose where they might do serious
damage, seems to have been borne out in this case.
Jani
zayton
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> Race has nothing to do with medicine.
No one said it did. Private tribal tradition, passed on from elders does;
and it takes a lifetime to learn even a strand of it. Even I know that.
Joe
Brenda G. Kent
> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Sparrow's Wench wrote:
> >
> > > If a certain Someone couldn't mix them, what makes YOU think you know
> > > better? You more *evolved* and *enlightened* than a REAL Native
> American
> > > Nation's Spiritual Leader? LOL
> > >
> >
> > ***pretty racist. You think that being a REAL N.A. Spiritual leader makes
> > one better than another...due to their race?
>
> Kripes, your reading comprehension certainly needs some remedial work. How
> do you get "racist" out of what I wrote? YES, a REAL Spiritual LEADER is
> better than YOU. Once again, you make me use the big crayons. =(
***You stated...and I repeat a REAL N.A. Spiritual leader. For some
reason...being an NDN makes it more "so".
Your attempt at a dig shows your condescension yet again.
> Medicine people the
> > world over find different ways to the same end. There is a Union of
> > differences that many medicine people adhere to. With or without the N.A.
> > appellation....to their name...medicine people follow a similar
> > path...white,NDN,Asian etc. If you know of what you speak...if you are
> > actually following a medicine path (NDN or not) then you will recognize
> > what I speak about.
>
> You're totally twinkified. You probably tell Dancers how *cute* their
> outfits are. I got a post for you I'll put up in a few minutes. I'll even
> put your name on the header, so you know it's for you. ;)
***twinkified? sorry hon. You are in love with the word. Dancers? you mean
at the Pow-wows? no....I tell the little kids in thier division that they
are cute...apart from that...no.
>
> > Race has nothing to do with medicine. Vulturing someones culture is a
> > totally different thing that comes from outside an inner way. Medicine
> > folk the world over know the difference between someone vulturing a
> > culture and those walking a medicine path.
>
> Um...what the hell are you trying to say here? Are you trying to be deep or
> something? :O
>
****figures you can't understand.
> > You simply see a woman who has announced herself as Cherokee and
> > Scots...and grow alarmed.
>
> Once again, you misread the cues. Big surprise.
>
***Once again..no.
> Believe me hon in North America there are many
> > mixed people of F.Nations and white heritage.
>
> Well Deeeeerrrrrr
>
> They don't go around
> > following "Wicca" books from stores if their own culture provides them
> > with enough. Your saying "they would say their were a Fam-trad!" speaks of
> > your ignorance of people outside the white pagan world. Not all family
> > trads...say "I'm in a Fam-trad!" That speaks more of a British way than an
> > NDN way.
>
> I'm sure there are others here who will address your assertion on Fam-trads.
> As for NDN Ways, wtf do you really KNOW about them at all? All of them are
> different, no matter what your nuage friends have told you. But, I do find
> it utterly fascinating how you know what everyone does in regards to
> religion and/or magic. Truly amazing.
>
****ofcourse all of them are different. Your the one that said "mystery
people " blah blah......nuage friends? you mean my Native friends? some of
which are hedgewitches and some Catholic? okay....
I never said I know what everyone does in regards to religion and/or
magic. I speak from my own experience.
> > So one woman you know says "don't mix the ways"....well whoop de do!
>
> LOL See, there's but *one* of the differences between you and I. I don't
> change my Path, or my Teacher, at the drop of a dollar.
>
*****I don't change my path either....my path is one of learning. Whatever
brings me this...I embrace. Teacher? I have'nt changed my Teachers since
day one. Who's thinking they know what others are doing now?
> There
> > are a lot of opinions out there....and there are a lot of mixed paths like
> > Santeria too....are you gonna tell me they are wrong for doing what they
> > do?
>
> Hmmm...I have an acquaintance who is a Santero Priest. I should ask him
> about his *mixed* Path... Yeah, imo, they're wrong.
***go ahead. Good that you have an opinion.
>
> Witches debate a shit load of things. They don't all agree to your
> > opinion.
>
> ROTFLMAO And you just accused *me* of schoolyard gang/bully tactics? LOL!
> You're just a perpetual victim, aren't you. (see below for more) Yeah, so
> they do debate things. What's your point? They don't go around pretending
> to be something they're not.
>
****victim? are you kidding? I see what I see and I speak about it. When I
see people getting their rocks off on spewing at others...I call it. There
is no victim. For their to be a victim...one would have to give up their
power to others. I am no ones victim. I simply refuse to follow a herd
mentality....aka sheep.
> Your need to say "we'll laugh at you" shows a lack of wisdom from
> > the get-go....needing to laugh at others and form little cliques to
> > bolster your own strength. You could not stand on your own if you needed
> > to. Prove me wrong.
>
> It wasn't a need, it was an observation. Please do *try* to keep up? I see
> no one forming a "clique" here. Only people who deride you for your obtuse,
> condescending ramblings. I'm merely one of them who happened to notice all
> the others.
>
*****and the need to deride shows an impatience...a condescension...an
assumption that what I am saying is obtuse....a lack of looking at your
own ego or your own short comings....just the simple fact that you can't
say to yourself "I don't understand" perhaps that is just her
way."....instead you fly off the handle with a "oh she don't know shit for
brains" because I don't understand her!
LOL!
As for the conscending you see coming from me...that is just your ego
talking...."no one can teach me anything" I am too above that. You've
closed yourself off from the idea that you may be wrong....you've closed
yourself off from the idea that anyone could teach you if they don't
follow your particular rationale. Not all of us work in the rational left
brained way of thinking where 1 + 1 = 2. If you understand anything about
magic and spirit you would know that there is a third road...a reading
between the lines and it would cause your ego to shut down for a time for
you to let yourself be taught by ANYONE...including a destitute street
person...or a fool. You're so wanting to place people in boxes...this one
a flake..this one wise...etc. that you miss out on so much. Yes it is
easier to deal with folks if you think of them as one dimensional
characters.....doesn't take much work..but to actually embrace the idea
that teaching and learning is what we all do everyday from everything and
everyone takes a bit more work....teaches one to be truly humble...not
fake...and allow the ego to die down a bit.
> > > As for my friend, you're not worthy of kissing the ground she pees on.
> > > You're a culture whore, and it shows in everything you write.
> > >
> >
> > ****and you show a total lack of wisdom...
>
> From you, I take that as a high compliment.
>
***and from you....I take your sarcasm as one big ego block.
> >but will get better as you grow.
>
> Oh, goody! Something to strive for. LOL
>
**hey may we all strive.
> > My own family background is Cornish,Welsh,Scots-Irish,German and Cherokee
> > and I can follow my way....as you can follow yours.
>
> Well, gee, thank you ever so. You know, I wonder how come everyone's
> Cherokee? Must have been a BUSY Nation...or the only one wannabees can
> spell.
*****how come everyones white? black? etc? people intermarry. There are a
plethora of multi-cultures in the Americas and people do merge often. I
also know many Metis and two friends of mine that are mixed English and
Sioux. Your cynacism is a big fear of being pulled in no? There ARE some
that actually are sorry if that sounds too stereotypical for you. In your
mindset...because you hear of the "Cherokee Princess" that seems rife
amongst folks...you throw the whole baby out with the bath water. Some of
us actually have Cherokee ancestors and I am working on the Dawes Rolls
finding out as much as I can.
>
> > If you think it's progressive or "right" to put down anothers faith or
> > path...then you put yourself in the same light as any other fundamentalist
> > and that is a dim one.
>
> Speaking of "dim", you certainly aren't the brightest bulb in the box. I
> never did "put down" a "faith" or "path". I put down people who charge $$$$
> for things that have NO price tag on them. You JUST DON'T GET IT. So, go
> on...Keep wondering how come your *magic* never works. Keep wondering why,
****ah really? so teachers don't get given gifts of appreciation? so it is
not common for many to approach a teacher with a symbolic gift for the
teaching? So paper,work,documentations,etc. are to be provided for free?
You are putting down a faith my friend..without knowing squat one about
it.
My magic works hon....it always has....don't confuse myself with you
perhaps. Amazing you putting down someone you don't even know....but why
should that surprise me?
> no matter how much you pay or how hard you study your paid-for *lessons*,
> you still don't understand. Keep mindlessly mouthing the words they put on
> your tongue. Keep pretending you have Visions of greatness and Knowledge.
> None of it can be bought or sold. Only paid for in flesh. Your own. Now
> go wave some turkey feathers, hold your "talking stick", beat some drums,
> dance in a circle. Tell me, what can you do? What do the Spirits do
> through you? 'Cause it never was, or is, about YOU. Do you, at least,
> understand that much?
>
****typical..you have this idea in your head of what I am before even
knowing me. I don't mouth words that "they" put in my head. I take in what
I read....run it through spirit...and embrace the truth of it (whatever
"it" may be.) My personal (to my own spirit) path is one of the death of
ego...and I don't embrace the Native American or First Nations path as my
own...but one that is a mixed background as my own culture is such. THAT
is MY path.
Not yours...not the neighbours but my path as spirit calls me to walk.
You've formed one idea of me in your head that could not be further from
the truth and instead of actually asking me questions that could shed
light...and not just assuming and throwing out worn out cliches and
insults.....you skew yourself repeating making yourself sound like an over
emotional reactionary rife with white liberal guilt.
Now I know you'll react to that with a retort because you feel a need
to....but take a breath and ask yourself what your point is. You don't
know me
at all.
Your belief that I need to continue to argue and read everyone of your
posts shows that you are feeding ego...and boy ain't she hungry?
Take a deep breath and go make some friends.
> SW
Jani
she was just testing everyone, and she knew all along that the Correllians
were fakes ...
See, she *has* to do that, on account of her "spirit teachers" telling her
'bout truth and all *chuckle*
Jani
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Brenda G. Kent
****and I know it too....infact I never said that it is done in a
heartbeat. Now that is tribal tradition..and I am talking about the
medicine path which is another thing altogether...also not taught in a
heartbeat but inclusive of other teachers and teachings from other
cultures.
I'll be learning until I pass over...and then some. I'm just a pimple on a
fleas ass at this point in my life.
Bren.
zayton
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, zayton wrote:
>
> >
> > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> >
> > > Race has nothing to do with medicine.
> >
> > No one said it did. Private tribal tradition, passed on from elders
does;
> > and it takes a lifetime to learn even a strand of it. Even I know that.
> > Joe
>
> ****and I know it too....infact I never said that it is done in a
> heartbeat. Now that is tribal tradition..and I am talking about the
> medicine path which is another thing altogether...also not taught in a
> heartbeat but inclusive of other teachers and teachings from other
> cultures.
> I'll be learning until I pass over...and then some. I'm just a pimple on a
> fleas ass at this point in my life.
>
> Bren.
>
universe is the sound of fleas rushing out to look for lawyers.
Joe
naismith
> "zztop naismith" wrote:
> | "zayton" wrote:
> | >
> | > For some reason I keep reading the Subject line as "Toe Tag Tribe" and
> | > momentarily envisioning this morgue scene.
> | >
> | > Joe
> | >
> |
> | There's even less difference between "Toteg" and 'totebag', Joe.
>
> --
> Talesin- The Poster Boy of Crossdresscraft
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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. Your saying "they would say their were a Fam-trad!" speaks of
> your ignorance of people outside the white pagan world. Not all family
> trads...say "I'm in a Fam-trad!" That speaks more of a British way than an
> NDN way.
Um, I seem to recall that you said you knew lots of famtrads in Canada, and
they just had quieter rituals than everyone else. So what has that to do
with Brit practices?
(Tegan, don't waste your breath, hon. Someone's wound up batty bwenduh to go
troll the ngs again, and she'll come out with more and more wild-eyed
rubbish until she gets it out of her system. Take more notice of what she's
up to with her latest religious "social club" - I suspect she's about to
dump the right-wing xtians for the right-wing pseudo-pagans - and they can
probably use her loose-cannon mentality as a rather effective smokescreen.)
Jani
naismith
> "The Trolling Linguini" who called for her trolling:
> Hi Brenda
>
> Nice to see you back. You have such power over this group.
> I hope you hang around for a while
>
> Thanks Talesin. I've never really gone.
Bullshit. Blenda's _mind_, (euphemistically-speaking), has
been "gone" at least since she'd begun posting to usenet.
> I just pop in now and again
> whenever I think there are interesting posts.
Another dubious Blenda-claim; these posts are being cross-posted
to from alt.pagan and the most of the replies have been coming from
a.r.w., (where tales is overjoyed to see his fellow lying sack of blenda
shit).
> Seems to be S.N.A.F.U still.
That's as good a description of 'Blenda-many-paths' as has
been posted so far.
> Have a good one trolling...
>
> Blen.
naismith
> "zayton" wrote:
> > "Blenda G. Kult" wrote:
> >
> > > Race has nothing to do with medicine.
> >
> > No one said it did. Private tribal tradition, passed on from elders
does;
> > and it takes a lifetime to learn even a strand of it. Even I know that.
> > Joe
>
> ****and I know it too...
Apparently not, from your posts, Blenda.
> ****.infact I never said that it is done in a
> heartbeat. Now that is tribal tradition..and I am talking about the
> medicine path which is another thing altogether...
So now Blenda is trying to assert that what medicine people
do and tribal traditions of medicine are not the same thing.
Blenda is now admitting that the nonsense she _thinks_ is
"medicine" is something other than what tribal traditions teach
tribal members. This puts the lie to Blenda's previous assertions,
(which she's no doubt forgotten she's asserted after a half hour
or so since posting them).
> ****also not taught in a
> heartbeat but inclusive of other teachers and teachings from other
> cultures.
That would be Blenda's random mushing of things she cannot
understand into a stew of nonsense and not any respected native
tradition.
> ****I'll be learning until I pass over...and then some.
No, you haven't and you won't, Blenda.
>**** I'm just a pimple on a
> fleas ass at this point in my life.
Yes, but tales-flea still luvs ya.
>
> Blen.
Hyuuga Neji
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, The Cunning Linguist :? wrote:
>
>
>>"Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
>>news:407b2c3f$0$3301$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>>|
>>| "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>>| news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
>>|
>>| ***better for her to sit on the sidelines as she does in not even becoming
>>| a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts as
>>| well.
>>|
>>| Seems a good point to pick up your "embracing satanism" then. Shall I
>>repost
>>| it, so you can remember whether you were "sitting on the sidelines" or
>>not?
>>
>>You are the one who sits on the sidelines, which is exactly where you belong
>>You are definitely not a player
>>
>
> ****there's something pathetic about someone who has all her links and
> posts already to pull up to back her. Problem with Jani is she assumes
> everything about you without knowing shit-all about you...then she makes
> it worse by getting angrier and angrier if you don't agree with her. She
> then alludes to her "witch friends" as if that proves all....and thinks
> the British way is all there is.
You have to understand that the British education system is VASTLY
inferior to anything else in NA (or asia, for that matter).
Jani simply hasn't been educated to know better.
Hyuuga Neji
> Oh, she's just "ravening", yanno, she'll turn round in a few posts and say
> she was just testing everyone, and she knew all along that the Correllians
> were fakes ...
Fake what?
I am really interested in hearing how you can call a religion 'fake'.
Brenda G. Kent
>
> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, zayton wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > >
> > > > Race has nothing to do with medicine.
> > >
> > > No one said it did. Private tribal tradition, passed on from elders
> does;
> > > and it takes a lifetime to learn even a strand of it. Even I know that.
> > > Joe
> >
> > ****and I know it too....infact I never said that it is done in a
> > heartbeat. Now that is tribal tradition..and I am talking about the
> > medicine path which is another thing altogether...also not taught in a
> > heartbeat but inclusive of other teachers and teachings from other
> > cultures.
> > I'll be learning until I pass over...and then some. I'm just a pimple on a
> > fleas ass at this point in my life.
> >
> > Bren.
> >
> That pervasive rustle of sound you hear wherever you may be in the habitable
> universe is the sound of fleas rushing out to look for lawyers.
>
> Joe
>
LOL!
Bren.
Phoenix
P
"zayton" <zay...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Jani
Jani
"Hyuuga Neji" <acc...@domain.extension> wrote in message
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Hyuuga Neji
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
| *blink* Quite. I really must read the rest of this thread later, it looks
| immensely entertaining so far ...
|
| Bwenduh the blender instructs Tegan in native ways .... dear, dear
*chuckle*
|
So what should she have said?
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
Legalize Freedom
http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft
© 2004 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
|
| "The Cunning Linguist :Ş" <the_wi...@XyahooX.com> wrote in message
| > |
| > | "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
| > | news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
| > |
| > | >
| > | > "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
| > | > | I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more
| nauseating,
| > | the
| > | > | dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many
bits
| > of
| > | > | paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
| > | floating
| > | > | in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram
more
| > than
| > | > | three references to totally different trads into your craft name
you
| > get
| > | a
| > | > | free bumper sticker.
| > | >
| > | > What do YOU believe, Jani?
| > | > Let's see if you can avoid one of your twisted obfuscations and
| actually
| > | > take the risk of giving a straight answer which may result in
| criticism.
| > | > Got the balls for that?
| > | >
| > | >
| becoming
| > | a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts
| as
| > | well.
| > |
| > |
| > | *chuckle* Now, when have I instructed anyone in "how to be a witch" or
| > | demanded that others lay out their belief system for criticism? You
and
| > | David do that, of your own volition, and that's why you're the butt of
| > such
| > | amusement and contempt.
| > | i
| >
| > No surprise there. You are nothing but a fart- you make noise and raise
a
| > stink but you have ni substance and, after a moment, you are forgotten
|
| Forgotten? no. But at least I'm not remembered only for fakery and verbal
| flatulence, as you and bwenduh are ...
|
BRAAAAAP!
| >
| > | And in answer to your question, David, my beliefs are my business. You
| > | appear to have mastered "dare", but "do", "will" and particularly
"keep
| > | silence" seem to have whooshed right over your head.
| >
| > I knew you did not have the balls for it. You are a coward, Jani, a
| gutless,
| > ball-less contemptable little coward
|
| As I said, keeping silent is not something you've ever grasped, is it?
| Whether it's blazoning your personal life (I do use the term "life"
loosely
| here, you understand) over Usenet, or burbling your meagre gleanings of
| craft in an attempt to seem knowledgeable, or spouting venomous froth when
| you can't bully or bluster what you want out of people - you just can't
keep
| a lid on it. Control, David. In all that you do, let control be your
| watchword ;)
|
Pew! Open the window!
| Was that why you got thrown out of Wicca, by the way? Or did they
recognise
| your lack of innate ability early on, and get rid of you *before* your
| flapping mouth could cause any real damage?
Ahhhh, that's better
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
| Yep, if you follow a structured trad you're a "fundy", if you don't you're
a
| "cowan", but if you bleat "we are all One and bwenduh's a reel priestess",
| you get cotton candy and your very own fluffy-bunny glitter dust
dispenser.
| It *is* cute, isn't it? :)
What do you believe, Jane?
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"theoneflasehaddock" <amanitane...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| "The Cunning Linguist :Ş" <the_wi...@XyahooX.com> wrote in message
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|
| >
a
| > stink but you have ni substance and, after a moment, you are forgotten
|
| substance, they actually contain more substance than your writings.
|
| >
| > I knew you did not have the balls for it. You are a coward, Jani, a
gutless,
| > ball-less contemptable little coward
|
|
| after he buys drugs, he gives them to hamsters because he's afraid
| he'll do us all a favor and kill himself with an overdose if he takes
| them himself.
I never gave drugs to a hamster you crack addled moron
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
| Oh, she's just "ravening", yanno, she'll turn round in a few posts and say
| she was just testing everyone, and she knew all along that the Correllians
| were fakes ...
|
| See, she *has* to do that, on account of her "spirit teachers" telling her
| 'bout truth and all *chuckle*
What is the truth, Jane?
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"naismith" <t_nai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh shut the fuck up you jealous little bitch
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> Hi Brenda
>
> Nice to see you back. You have such power over this group.
> I hope you hang around for a while
>
Thanks Talesin. I've never really gone. I just pop in now and again
whenever I think there are interesting posts. Seems to be S.N.A.F.U
still.
Have a good one...
I like to call it "SNAFUBAR"
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:407b2c3f$0$3301$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> |
> | "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> | news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> |
> | ***better for her to sit on the sidelines as she does in not even
becoming
> | a witch but telling others how to be one. She does it with her retorts
as
> | well.
> |
> | Seems a good point to pick up your "embracing satanism" then. Shall I
> repost
> | it, so you can remember whether you were "sitting on the sidelines" or
> not?
>
> You are the one who sits on the sidelines, which is exactly where you
belong
> You are definitely not a player
>
****there's something pathetic about someone who has all her links and
posts already to pull up to back her. Problem with Jani is she assumes
everything about you without knowing shit-all about you...then she makes
it worse by getting angrier and angrier if you don't agree with her. She
then alludes to her "witch friends" as if that proves all....and thinks
the British way is all there is. If she got out from all her texts and
links and books etc. and actually lived the path.....she could talk from a
good position...but all she seems to want to do is tell other folks how to
do it right (aka what she reads in books or gets told to by some friends).
I sit here thinking....this woman...a total Cowan....and she is telling me
how to be a witch? shiiiiiiiite!
She still doesn't understand me to this day...still talking about posting
up the embrace Satanism thread as some sort of point for her when she
never got
what I was talking about in the first place. She reminds me of a
fundamentalist...a literalist forever in the outer circle.
Through it all though....believe what you will....I can't hate others...I
find it hard to....she's got her own opinion and like assholes we all have
them...and I love her for that...but it is her pushing her one-way-isms on
everyone else that irks me.
I'm thinking Barney Fife here...with a how-to book.
Gods bless us all ...we're all learning.
====
Another thing to remember about Jani is that, if you call her on her
bullshit, she twists it around and tries to cover her ass with a personal
attack. A good example was a recent discussion where she was on her high
horse bitching at me about "abusing women." When I pointed out her hypocrisy
because she rants at me but never says a word to her ass buddy Cuddles
(that's TOO funny) when she abuses women on a daily basis, she totally
humiliated herself trying to wriggle out of it
So, if jani attacks you, it's her way of saying "You win!"
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
Legalize Freedom
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Š 2004 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved
Brenda G. Kent
>
> I like to call it "SNAFUBAR"
>
...works!
Bren.
Jan
Great tradition there..just happens to come from some wise woman in
the 19th and the details uncertain (very useful), but it's a Genuine
Cherokee Scottish Way that has come down through the generations as a
complete tradition. And now this is being spread to All for a low,
low, price!*
mmmm..hmmm...
But this is something you just love, don't you, Bren? You write just
like a comitted cultist now.
White liberal guilt, eh? You should have some of that, Bren. Maybe
you would actually think of Helping people? Or at least you could
stop Stealing from other peoples' traditional cultures for your own
sick needs? That too much to ask?
~Jan
*I didn't say anything about money, you did. Do you get a share of
the sales when you move up in degrees like in Amway? Or is just the
idea that a path to spirituality and wisdom is something you can buy
that makes you so high on it?
Jan
> Heh..disgusts him! he that slobbers over Cuddles who can't put two words
> together unless they insult someone...and THIS he finds disgusting!
I'm sure it does confuse someone like you, Bren. Bitch is the biggest
trol around and you know what? She is honest. She would Never let
you think she sees you as anything other than a lowlife and fuckwit.
You, OTOH..
> Blessings
> Bren.
>
mmmmm..hmm..
~Jan
naismith
> | "Blenda G. Kult" licks the ass of:
> | > "The Trolling Linguini" who called for her trolling:
> |
> | > Hi Brenda
> | >
> | > Nice to see you back. You have such power over this group.
> | > I hope you hang around for a while
> | >
> |
> | > Thanks Talesin. I've never really gone.
> |
> |
> | That's as good a description of 'Blenda-many-paths' as has
> | been posted so far.
> |
> Oh shut the fuck up you jealous little bitch
That works as a description of you and Blenda too,
you hooker's accident.
> --
> Talesin- The Artless Toad without craft
Rhyanon
questions -- not that we don't already know the answers...
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Rhyanon
mean, NO body likes you. fOt and ren don't count, partly because they're
total nonentities, and partly because they're only using your ass like the
whore you are.
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, theoneflasehaddock wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Introduction to Toteg Tribe
> > >From: "Sparrow's Wench" sa...@thecaribbean.com
> > >Date: 4/12/2004 9:52 PM Central Daylight Time
> > >Message-id: <107mlfv...@corp.supernews.com>
> > >
> > >"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > >> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Sparrow's Wench wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
> > >> >
> > >> > You appear to be the expert on that, if nothing else.
> > >>
> > >> *****proof?
> > >
> > >There's plenty you've left all over usenet. You're fun to Google. LOL
> >
> > Are you kidding? She provides so much stupidity, it's impossible just to
keep
> > up, let alone read the back issues.
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> > theoneflasehaddock
> >
>
> *****I see a lot of children laughing at their parents on how stupid they
> are too.
>
> You guys are hilarious. Oh we're a little group on usenet and we are tough
> and know all......LOL!!!
> Meanwhile folks who come on here and want to be friendly and share get
> pushed down the gauntlet as some sort of "test" whereby one figures...why
> do I want to be accepted by this lot? ....the ones more clever than
> I....just leave and go to another group whilst some in this group rub
> hands gleefully and state "ooh I made her leave...or I made her cwy!" It's
> really pathetic that people who supposedly are in their twenties to
> fifties are still acting like snot-nosed kids playing bully on the
> schoolyard grounds. Meanwhile here I visit.....because I'm an optimist and
> hope to see some actual witches worth their salt visit here. Still haven't
> found many real ones...just people who like to dress up in black..sit on
> thier asses with a smoke hangin from thier lips....scratch their backsides
> and pretend to play pagan. The snobby fundies are the worst lot and the
> ones that suckle up to Cuddles are even sadder.....please don't put me
> down Cuddles? I'm your friend!!! whimper whimper whine whine....
>
> What's even funnier is how my name can cause so much ruckus..especially
> with Trevor..."oh dear why doesn't she respond to me!"
> whinnnnnnnnnnnne....
>
> Poor boy had it in for me ever since I refused to colour in the lines and
> he had to put on his best D&D mask and go tell on me!
>
> LOL!
>
> I see them as cowering snivelling sad little poppets....not knowing love
> unless it hit them in the face...not knowing their own faults
> ....ditto....not accepting that a person can take their crap and still
> love them to pieces. Oh Brenda or the ever popular Bwenduh (we're dealing
> with real "adults" here folks...tch)must be hating us back because that is
> how it works. How wrong they are.
> --
Rhyanon
--
WAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>
> "Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
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> | Awwww, how cuuuuute! bwenduh must be emailing fOt, she leanred a new
word,
> | 'cowan' -- yet another empty, meaningless scrap of hypocrisy to add to
> the
> | heap she has made.
>
> Shut the fuck up, cowan
Rhyanon
"Jani" <ja...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> Yep, if you follow a structured trad you're a "fundy", if you don't you're
a
> "cowan", but if you bleat "we are all One and bwenduh's a reel priestess",
> you get cotton candy and your very own fluffy-bunny glitter dust
dispenser.
> It *is* cute, isn't it? :)
>
> Jani
>
>
> "Rhyanon" <pis...@uberbitch.com> wrote in message
> news:107nn69...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Awwww, how cuuuuute! bwenduh must be emailing fOt, she leanred a new
word,
> > 'cowan' -- yet another empty, meaningless scrap of hypocrisy to add to
> the
> > heap she has made.
> >
> > "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Jani wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had a look at their website. I'm not sure which is more
nauseating,
> > the
> > > > dreadful colours, or the mushing-together of gods know how many bits
> of
> > > > paths and degree structures it's like pea soup with status labels
> > floating
> > > > in it. I can see why it suits bwenduh, though. If you can cram more
> than
> > > > three references to totally different trads into your craft name you
> get
> > a
> > > > free bumper sticker.
> > > >
> > > > Jani
> > >
> > >
> > > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
> > >
> > > The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft are not usually as
> > > unbending as many of the British
> > > ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> > > gone from tribe to tribe
> > > learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for
a
> > > medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> > > different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit
> others.
> > > There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full
knowledge
> > > of what construct they are within. Why not actually join in and learn
> > > something of Paganry from the inside Jani? Why not learn about North
> > > American witches once in awhile? better than telling actual
> > > witches how to live thier paths without knowing what you are talking
> > > about.
> > > And as for Cuddles....I don't believe she would know a witch if it bit
> her
> > > in the arse. She is so fearful.
> > >
> > > Blessings
> > > Bren.
> > >
> > > ps.the woman who began the Correllian tradition was a Cherokee-Scot
> woman.
> > > There was no vulturing of her training. She simply learned what she
had
> > > been taught by her own family. She then had training in the Aradian
path
> > > by an Aradian teacher.
> > >
> > > Typical responses from people who dip a finger in a path and think
they
> > > know what it is all about. Read the whole history...from the main page
> of
> > > Correllian Nativist Tradition and then form an opinion.
> > > This is a alt. pagan group and no one should have to defend their own
> > > faith. Sad that this sig is taken over by cowan and wannabes whose
only
> > > point in being here is to try and give digs to others faiths.
> > > I know it may be hard in the ego to actual give others a chance...and
it
> > > may also be painful and fearful to actually NOT go with the mob
> mentality
> > > but not everyone can be strong I suppose.
> > >
> > > Bren.
> >
>
>
Rhyanon
the guts to directly address me. Now THAT is, in your case,
amoooooooooooosing!
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, zayton wrote:
>
> >
> > "Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:4806bb2c.04041...@posting.google.com...
> > > It totally disgusts me..it's such an obvious con. And you know, I
> > > have a feeling that it's probably growing like a culture in a dish.
> > >
> > > Grrr..
> > >
> > > ~Jan
>
> ****heh...typical. Assume without checking it out. I had the same
> suspicions..but they were blown away when I embraced the teachings of this
> particular tradition. I simply took the next step....anyone can.
> Heh..disgusts him! he that slobbers over Cuddles who can't put two words
> together unless they insult someone...and THIS he finds disgusting! what a
> laugh. I am seeing vigilent white liberal guilt written all over....after
> all...it's the politically correct thing to do. Ontop of it he is putting
> down a whole tradition that has been going for over a century because he
> assumes. Does he know of how much work goes into the tradition? does he
> know about the one on one mentoring..the paper work...the charity
> work....hell...the WORK that has gone into bringing this path to the
> masses? Does he no that it costs as little as 14.00 bucks to continue onto
> a second and third degree? less than the cost of many pagan books out
> there? Does it matter to him that the tradition was started by a woman of
> Cherokee and Scots mixed background? Nope...he just sees the money
> asking...and the NDN reference and his liberal fanny clenches. Can we get
> that stick out? ten people pulling on a pair of tweezers might work....
> Jan...you are a funny guy...
>
>
>
> >
> > For some reason I keep reading the Subject line as "Toe Tag Tribe" and
> > momentarily envisioning this morgue scene.
>
>
> ***heh...yeah..it sounded like that to me as well.
>
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
>
> Blessings
Rhyanon
doesn't go unnoticed.... ^_^
"Jan" <leif_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Cunning Linguist :Ş
No kate for trevor
Not now, not ever
He just isn't clever
And his dick, she would sever
The Cunning Linguist :Ş
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|
| > Heh..disgusts him! he that slobbers over Cuddles who can't put two words
| > together unless they insult someone...and THIS he finds disgusting!
|
| I'm sure it does confuse someone like you, Bren. Bitch is the biggest
| trol around and you know what? She is honest. She would Never let
| you think she sees you as anything other than a lowlife and fuckwit.
|
Yeah, we see her petty jealousy of educated and dedicated people every day.
You and she are two peas in a pod
Jani
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, theoneflasehaddock wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Introduction to Toteg Tribe
> > >From: "Sparrow's Wench" sa...@thecaribbean.com
> > >Date: 4/12/2004 9:52 PM Central Daylight Time
> > >Message-id: <107mlfv...@corp.supernews.com>
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Sparrow's Wench wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ***and from a Cowan..that really makes a big difference.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> *****proof?
> > >
> > >There's plenty you've left all over usenet. You're fun to Google. LOL
> >
> > Are you kidding? She provides so much stupidity, it's impossible just to
keep
> > up, let alone read the back issues.
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> > theoneflasehaddock
> >
>
> *****I see a lot of children laughing at their parents on how stupid they
> are too.
>
> You guys are hilarious. Oh we're a little group on usenet and we are tough
> and know all......LOL!!!
Don't recall anyone saying they know it all. Anyone lay claim to that
statement? No? Thought not. See, just because some people here clearly know
an awful lot *more* than you, you mentally translate that as them *saying*
they know it all. It's just your jealousy cutting in to make you hear things
that aren't there. I don't have any problem with people being more
knowledgeable than I am, but then I'm not jealous of them, either.
> Meanwhile folks who come on here and want to be friendly and share get
> pushed down the gauntlet as some sort of "test" whereby one figures...why
> do I want to be accepted by this lot? ....the ones more clever than
> I....just leave and go to another group whilst some in this group rub
> hands gleefully and state "ooh I made her leave...or I made her cwy!"
If they don't like it here, there are plenty of other newsgroups *shrug* You
whinge enough about "social clubs", but when people don't choose to
socialise for the sake of it, you whinge about that as well.
It's
> really pathetic that people who supposedly are in their twenties to
> fifties are still acting like snot-nosed kids playing bully on the
> schoolyard grounds.
Well, that's what we've been saying for some time - so why do you keep doing
it?
Meanwhile here I visit.....because I'm an optimist and
> hope to see some actual witches worth their salt visit here. Still haven't
> found many real ones...just people who like to dress up in black..sit on
> thier asses with a smoke hangin from thier lips....scratch their backsides
> and pretend to play pagan.
Oh, boy. Are you now so delusional that you imagine you can see what people
are wearing and doing on the other side of the screen? Or that "actual
witches" are going to post details of their practices just for your benefit?
The snobby fundies are the worst lot and the
> ones that suckle up to Cuddles are even sadder.....please don't put me
> down Cuddles? I'm your friend!!! whimper whimper whine whine....
And here we go with the snobby fundies again. Why does it bother you so much
that some people spend years of commitment and training in their path, and
eventually gain genuine status? There are quite a few posting here who have
titles, but they don't use them because they don't feel a need to label
themselves Rev this or Priestess that just to impress people. In fact,
they're anything but snobby about it.
>
> What's even funnier is how my name can cause so much ruckus..especially
> with Trevor..."oh dear why doesn't she respond to me!"
> whinnnnnnnnnnnne....
>
> Poor boy had it in for me ever since I refused to colour in the lines and
> he had to put on his best D&D mask and go tell on me!
>
> LOL!
Rewriting history again? Have you conveniently forgotten *why* questions had
to be asked about your behaviour, and about why you found it acceptable to
malign and insult others?
>
> I see them as cowering snivelling sad little poppets....not knowing love
> unless it hit them in the face...not knowing their own faults
Oh, dear gods, and this is the woman who never tries to insult anyone ....
You are so bound up in your own ego that you completely miss the
self-awareness and knowledge of the people you're spitting at. Of course
they know their own faults, of course they understand love, of course
they're not "cowering and snivelling". You've created this mental image of
what you *want* others to be, to boost your own self-esteem, and totally
blind yourself to what they actually are. There's no point pretending that
anyone who doesn't approach you with glitter-dust and fake blessings isn't a
genuine witch, or a genuine pagan, simply because you'd prefer that they
weren't.
> ....ditto....not accepting that a person can take their crap and still
> love them to pieces. Oh Brenda or the ever popular Bwenduh (we're dealing
> with real "adults" here folks...tch)must be hating us back because that is
> how it works. How wrong they are.
I doubt if anyone here cares in the slightest whether you hate them or not.
I certainly don't. "How it works" is that you patronise and insult people,
tell lies about yourself and others, and so you get treated with contempt as
a result. You choose to over-dramatise that into people "hating" you,
because that's more comforting to your ego than understanding that in fact,
they merely regard you with disgust.
Jani
MIB529
> I'm sorry to x-post, and I'm sorry
That's okay. There are worse things than x-posting; X-No-Archive,
for one.
> > > > The many North American ways of Wicca or witchcraft
She DOES realize Gardner was British, right?
> > > > are not usually as
> > > > unbending as many of the British
> > > > ways. The natives(on the NDN side of things) that live here have often
> > > > gone from tribe to tribe
> > > > learning new things to add to their faith and way. A common thing for a
> > > > medicine persons training is to be taken around the country learning
> > > > different ways and cultures of medicine and using them to benefit others.
> > > > There is no disrespect to anyone path...all are used with full knowledge
> > > > of what construct they are within.
> > >
> > > Been reading nuage books? ROTFLMAO A Mystery Person is taught by his/her
> > > Nation. You know, you really should post this over on alt.native. They'll
> > > get a kick out of it. ;)
> > >
> >
> > *****sorry but you're wrong. A medicine person gets taken to many other
> > medicine people around turtle island to get taught many different ways.
> > The medicine person's teacher is responsible for her/his training.
I've never heard of this. I mean, sometimes, one nation's ceremony would be
sacreligious for another.
> Just wanted to say hello to alt.native, let you know this kook Brenda
> is STILL at it in alt.pagan. Hope someone gets a laugh out of this.
I take it she's worth a good laugh now and then.
Brenda G. Kent
I went to your site on the Toteg Tribe and it has much to offer.
A very good path indeed.
Blessings
Bren.
Joker & Harley at Arkham
Sparrow's Wench wrote:
>
> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.04...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca...
> > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Sparrow's Wench wrote:
> >
> > > If a certain Someone couldn't mix them, what makes YOU think you know
> > > better? You more *evolved* and *enlightened* than a REAL Native
> American
> > > Nation's Spiritual Leader? LOL
> > >
> >
> > ***pretty racist. You think that being a REAL N.A. Spiritual leader makes
> > one better than another...due to their race?
>
> Kripes, your reading comprehension certainly needs some remedial work. How
> do you get "racist" out of what I wrote? YES, a REAL Spiritual LEADER is
> better than YOU. Once again, you make me use the big crayons. =(
Tegan, there are no crayons big enough to enlighten her
>
> >Sad.
>
> You are. At last, we agree on something!
Try pathetic
>
> Medicine people the
> > world over find different ways to the same end. There is a Union of
> > differences that many medicine people adhere to. With or without the N.A.
> > appellation....to their name...medicine people follow a similar
> > path...white,NDN,Asian etc. If you know of what you speak...if you are
> > actually following a medicine path (NDN or not) then you will recognize
> > what I speak about.
>
> You're totally twinkified. You probably tell Dancers how *cute* their
> outfits are. I got a post for you I'll put up in a few minutes. I'll even
> put your name on the header, so you know it's for you. ;)
Hey, Tegan I guess we need to get Union cards, now.
At least according to my readings, the People didn't accept other
non-people as members of the tribe, so they didn't share accordingly. In
many of the People's languages, their name for their tribe means "the
People" and those who don't belong are not the "People". It doesn't
nessacarily mean they would share with others, unless the others were
adopted into the "People"
> > My own family background is Cornish,Welsh,Scots-Irish,German and Cherokee
> > and I can follow my way....as you can follow yours.
>
> Well, gee, thank you ever so. You know, I wonder how come everyone's
> Cherokee? Must have been a BUSY Nation...or the only one wannabees can
> spell.
>
Well, Cherokees were the first tribe to develop a written language. And
they were willing to work with the whites in trying to promote a
civilized arraignment.
BTW, the some of most common tribes to be mixed are Cherokee, Sioux,
Apache, and Commanche. You notice these tribes are on record as being
the most dangerous to the "White Man Ways", either by trying to
understand and work with them or by warfare.
The wannbe has be run out of the Alt.native group because her stupidity.
She is a fool and a dangerous one. She preaches so loud and long, some
naive people believe and that is the dangerous part.
Harley
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